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| dirk | toabctl, dirk, aplanas, IgorYozhikov, jruzicka: ping | 12:59 |
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| IgorYozhikov | o/ | 12:59 |
| dirk | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 12:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 14 12:59:37 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dirk. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging' | 12:59 |
| mivanov | hi dirk, IgorYozhikov | 12:59 |
| dirk | everyone, please add your agenda items to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging | 13:00 |
| dirk | hey mivanov, IgorYozhikov ! | 13:00 |
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| jruzicka | o/ | 13:01 |
| IgorYozhikov | o/ | 13:02 |
| IgorYozhikov | already add some topics to agenda | 13:02 |
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| dirk | sorry | 13:07 |
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| dirk | someone dragged me off the computer!! | 13:07 |
| dirk | darn | 13:07 |
| dirk | lets start | 13:07 |
| dirk | #topic Using all DB backends within project template as runt-time dependencies (IgorYozhikov) | 13:08 |
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| dirk | IgorYozhikov: Interesting one, I saw the discussion in the PR.. | 13:08 |
| IgorYozhikov | yep, I raised this question earlier with toabctl | 13:08 |
| IgorYozhikov | So, should we add these python | other bindings as run-time deps | 13:09 |
| IgorYozhikov | adding them lead to increasing a chain of dependent packages | 13:10 |
| dirk | yeah | 13:10 |
| dirk | but on the other side I don't want to require all different databases that exist | 13:11 |
| dirk | either we have to conditionalize it somehow or choose the default | 13:11 |
| dirk | or not choose any and let the user select one | 13:11 |
| dirk | toabctl is on sickleave today btw | 13:11 |
| IgorYozhikov | or, if i remembered right, toabctl suggest to add some-kind of sub-package for this purpose | 13:11 |
| IgorYozhikov | only with that bindings | 13:12 |
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| IgorYozhikov | for example we have python-oslo-db and could add a sub package like python-oslo-db-bindings | 13:13 |
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| dirk | yeah | 13:14 |
| IgorYozhikov | naming could be discussed :) | 13:14 |
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| IgorYozhikov | number80, r u around, your thoughts about ^^^^ | 13:15 |
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| dirk | IgorYozhikov: I am fien with the idea, I don't have an own opinion right now as I haven't researched this in detail | 13:16 |
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| IgorYozhikov | dirk,may be move this topic to the next meeting with a higher quorum? | 13:17 |
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| dirk | IgorYozhikov: can we postpone the topic? toabctl is not here, I don't have an opinion.. or do you have a concrete suggestion? | 13:17 |
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| IgorYozhikov | dirk, agree, we need more voices | 13:18 |
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| IgorYozhikov | to get a conclusion | 13:18 |
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| dirk | #agreed postpone the topic | 13:19 |
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| dirk | #agreed postpone the topic | 13:19 |
| dirk | #topic AIs review (IgorYozhikov) | 13:19 |
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| dirk | ah, thanks Igor. | 13:20 |
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| IgorYozhikov | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems/Fuel_Packaging_CI | 13:20 |
| IgorYozhikov | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Rpm-packaging | 13:20 |
| IgorYozhikov | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Rpm-packaging/ReviewGuidelines | 13:20 |
| IgorYozhikov | think that not missed anything | 13:20 |
| IgorYozhikov | stable/mitaka has been cut | 13:21 |
| IgorYozhikov | everything looks fine | 13:21 |
| dirk | yep, thansk for that | 13:22 |
| dirk | last meetings action items are done | 13:22 |
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| dirk | we have a few open from previou meetings though | 13:22 |
| IgorYozhikov | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/spec.j2.formatts | 13:24 |
| IgorYozhikov | this is one about formatting | 13:24 |
| IgorYozhikov | I proposed 2 variants | 13:25 |
| dirk | ah, nice, thats the one I just looked up | 13:25 |
| dirk | main change is different indentation level? | 13:25 |
| dirk | whats your preference? | 13:25 |
| IgorYozhikov | to be honest - I like this one http://paste.openstack.org/show/491703/ | 13:25 |
| dirk | so its one space vs two spaces after BuildRequires: ? | 13:26 |
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| IgorYozhikov | 2 \n separate logical parts in template like pre,build,instal, etc | 13:26 |
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| dirk | ok | 13:27 |
| dirk | no strong opinion either way for me. so the different indentation isn't an issue? | 13:28 |
| number80 | nope | 13:28 |
| number80 | o/ | 13:28 |
| IgorYozhikov | no, just looking better when code blocks separated with 2 \n | 13:28 |
| dirk | #agreed two \n for separating rpm sections like %prep, %build, %install | 13:30 |
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| dirk | want to update the review guidelines? | 13:30 |
| IgorYozhikov | yes, will do | 13:30 |
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| IgorYozhikov | hang ai on me :) | 13:31 |
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| dirk | #ai IgorYozhikov update review guidelines for section separation | 13:32 |
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| dirk | next topic ? | 13:32 |
| IgorYozhikov | #action IgorYozhikov update review guidelines for section separation | 13:33 |
| IgorYozhikov | yes, if we finished with AIs | 13:33 |
| dirk | anything still open? | 13:33 |
| * dirk looks | 13:33 | |
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| number80 | will there be a meeting next week? | 13:34 |
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| IgorYozhikov | number80, why not? | 13:35 |
| number80 | some people may be on their way to Austin | 13:35 |
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| IgorYozhikov | i c' | 13:35 |
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| dirk | I don't find any other open action items in the minutes | 13:36 |
| dirk | ok to move on? | 13:36 |
| number80 | sure | 13:36 |
| IgorYozhikov | go | 13:36 |
| dirk | #topicAdd bareon RPM temlate to master (https://github.com/openstack/bareon) (IgorYozhikov) | 13:36 |
| dirk | #topic Add bareon RPM temlate to master (https://github.com/openstack/bareon) (IgorYozhikov) | 13:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Add bareon RPM temlate to master (https://github.com/openstack/bareon) (IgorYozhikov) (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:36 | |
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| IgorYozhikov | I had been asking about adding RPM 4 bareon project | 13:37 |
| IgorYozhikov | I asked bareon leads to set a tag | 13:38 |
| number80 | ah formerly known as fuel-agent | 13:38 |
| IgorYozhikov | to be used within build | 13:38 |
| IgorYozhikov | yes | 13:38 |
| IgorYozhikov | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/Bareon | 13:38 |
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| IgorYozhikov | so, if there are no objections or something else - I could make it | 13:39 |
| dirk | which dependencies does it have? is it realistic to be added right now? | 13:39 |
| number80 | IgorYozhikov: none | 13:39 |
| number80 | (in principle, anything under the openstack namespace is welcome) | 13:39 |
| IgorYozhikov | https://github.com/openstack/bareon/blob/master/requirements.txt | 13:39 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, it looks very common | 13:39 |
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| dirk | IgorYozhikov: yeap. just add it then | 13:41 |
| IgorYozhikov | ok | 13:41 |
| dirk | #agreed barean can be added | 13:41 |
| dirk | grrr | 13:41 |
| dirk | #agreed bareon can be added | 13:41 |
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| dirk | #topic Pending reviews? | 13:41 |
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| IgorYozhikov | #action IgorYozhikov will add bareon RPM template to master | 13:41 |
| IgorYozhikov | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/rpm-packaging | 13:42 |
| IgorYozhikov | we have here PRs with passed tests | 13:42 |
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| IgorYozhikov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/305012/ | 13:43 |
| dirk | obviously fine by me :) | 13:43 |
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| IgorYozhikov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270826/ | 13:45 |
| dirk | good by me | 13:45 |
| IgorYozhikov | number80, could you please look & merge if necessary | 13:45 |
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| number80 | IgorYozhikov: ack | 13:45 |
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| IgorYozhikov | dirk, please look into https://review.openstack.org/#/c/303450/ | 13:46 |
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| IgorYozhikov | all comments were addressed :) | 13:46 |
| dirk | this should be an easy one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304309/ | 13:46 |
| number80 | FYI, I'm working on our gating (I have a non-voting one running home) | 13:46 |
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| dirk | number80: nice. can it report back already? | 13:47 |
| dirk | it would be good to see the results | 13:47 |
| number80 | well, it runs builds artifacts publishing is broken (hence breaking many builds) | 13:48 |
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| number80 | so having a gate that -1 most reviews is not useful yet | 13:48 |
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| number80 | but we'll have one running during Newton cycle | 13:49 |
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| IgorYozhikov | dirk, what is the point to set stable/mitaka as default review branch | 13:49 |
| IgorYozhikov | ? | 13:49 |
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| IgorYozhikov | instead of master | 13:49 |
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| dirk | number80: ok | 13:50 |
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| dirk | IgorYozhikov: well, so that when you run "git review" on a change in stable/mitaka, it gets published under stable/mitaka by default | 13:51 |
| dirk | otherwise you'd proposa a patch against master by default, which probably doesn't make sense | 13:51 |
| number80 | depends, we're bounded to do more work in the master branch | 13:52 |
| IgorYozhikov | depends on goals, if you want to populate repo with mitaka related projects - makes sense | 13:53 |
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| dirk | jsut to clarify, there are two branches | 13:53 |
| dirk | this PR is for the stable branch | 13:54 |
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| dirk | master branch defaults to master branch as before | 13:54 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, o i c | 13:54 |
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| IgorYozhikov | sorry missed that | 13:54 |
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| IgorYozhikov | mine +2 | 13:54 |
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| IgorYozhikov | number80 ? | 13:55 |
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| dirk | can we continue in #openstack-rpm-packaging? | 13:55 |
| number80 | +2 | 13:55 |
| number80 | yes | 13:56 |
| IgorYozhikov | sure | 13:56 |
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| dirk | #endmeeting | 13:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 14 13:59:42 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-04-14-12.59.html | 13:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-04-14-12.59.txt | 13:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-04-14-12.59.log.html | 13:59 |
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| m3m0 | #startmeeting freezer | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 14 14:00:42 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is m3m0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'freezer' | 14:00 |
| slashme | Hello m3m0 :) | 14:00 |
| clsacramento | m3m0: hello | 14:01 |
| yangyape_ | hello m3m0 | 14:01 |
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| szaher | Hello memo | 14:03 |
| m3m0 | sup guys | 14:03 |
| daemontool | o/ | 14:03 |
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| m3m0 | first topic of the day | 14:03 |
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| m3m0 | slashme wants to start his reign | 14:04 |
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| daemontool | like Napoleon | 14:05 |
| daemontool | :) | 14:05 |
| daemontool | m3m0, do we have topics_ | 14:05 |
| daemontool | ? | 14:05 |
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| slashme | I'd like to propose szaher as a freezer core. His contributions have been highly valuable integrating multiple oslo components into freezer. I'l send the ML email later. Please answer with your +1/-1. | 14:05 |
| m3m0 | yes the topics for today are here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:06 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:06 |
| m3m0 | +1 | 14:06 |
| clsacramento | +1 | 14:06 |
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| yangyape_ | szaher: good | 14:07 |
| daemontool | all good, next? | 14:07 |
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| m3m0 | #topic Freezer-api: should be switch the /v1/backups/ endpoint from backup_id to backup_uuid | 14:07 |
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| m3m0 | we need the backup_id to be uuid like | 14:08 |
| m3m0 | but what will be the repercussion of changing this? | 14:08 |
| ddieterly | o/ | 14:10 |
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| m3m0 | so should we force the api and elasticsearch to query by uuid rather that id, vannif what do you think? | 14:12 |
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| daemontool | if we have somewhere a mapping of id -> uuid | 14:14 |
| daemontool | then we can keep querying the id | 14:14 |
| daemontool | otherwise not, we need to query by uuid | 14:14 |
| vannif | a uuid seems more reasonable. the backup_id is actually a computed value. we can add it as a field, but it does not actually add any information. | 14:15 |
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| vannif | and we can always add queries based on backup_id | 14:15 |
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| m3m0 | so, we need to force the _id of the document to be the uuid? | 14:15 |
| m3m0 | that would break older versions right? | 14:16 |
| daemontool | we need to add a mapping | 14:17 |
| daemontool | if we do not want to break anything | 14:17 |
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| vannif | atm the _id of the backup documents is leaft to elasticsearch to compute | 14:17 |
| vannif | s/leaft/left | 14:18 |
| daemontool | I think that make sense | 14:18 |
| daemontool | so we can add the uuid in the document also | 14:18 |
| daemontool | so we have in the document | 14:18 |
| daemontool | id and uuid | 14:18 |
| daemontool | and the mapping can be done | 14:18 |
| vannif | there is already a backup_uuid in the backup document | 14:19 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:19 |
| daemontool | even better | 14:19 |
| daemontool | for what are we using the id currently_ | 14:19 |
| daemontool | ? | 14:19 |
| daemontool | if we have both values already | 14:20 |
| daemontool | there's not backward incompatibility | 14:21 |
| daemontool | we need to change only | 14:21 |
| daemontool | the query | 14:21 |
| m3m0 | the easiest thing will be force the api to query by backup_id rather than _id | 14:21 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:21 |
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| m3m0 | sorry backup_uuid | 14:21 |
| m3m0 | but this is vannif terrritory | 14:22 |
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| vannif | yes.. with backup_uuid we have the usual uniqueness of uuid | 14:23 |
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| vannif | with a computed backup_id there might be conflict concerns | 14:23 |
| m3m0 | : would you like to do it vannif? or clsacramento do you want to work on it? | 14:23 |
| vannif | I can do it. | 14:24 |
| m3m0 | perfecto | 14:25 |
| m3m0 | can we move forward? | 14:25 |
| daemontool | ok, please take also in consideration to include clsacramento in case she's interested | 14:25 |
| daemontool | yes | 14:25 |
| vannif | sure | 14:25 |
| m3m0 | #topic Freezer-web-ui mitaka tagging | 14:25 |
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| m3m0 | we need to create a branch for mitaka in the ui, how can we proceed daemontool? | 14:25 |
| clsacramento | m3m0: I'm interested too | 14:26 |
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| m3m0 | clsacramento: sync with vannif on this please | 14:26 |
| clsacramento | sure | 14:26 |
| daemontool | m3m0, yes | 14:26 |
| daemontool | I had this conversation | 14:27 |
| daemontool | with slashme , I'm going do to it today or tomorrow EOD | 14:27 |
| daemontool | sorry this week I've been too much busy | 14:27 |
| m3m0 | np :) | 14:27 |
| daemontool | :) | 14:27 |
| m3m0 | can we move forward then? | 14:28 |
| daemontool | ++ | 14:28 |
| m3m0 | #topic Backup-consistency review | 14:28 |
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| m3m0 | clsacramento slashme ^^ | 14:28 |
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| m3m0 | yangyape_: by the way do you have something you would like to discuss? | 14:28 |
| daemontool | I want to discuss the backup as a service if possible | 14:29 |
| daemontool | (a bit pdantic I know) | 14:30 |
| daemontool | we need to include metadata backup in the cinder native backup | 14:30 |
| m3m0 | sure, I would like to discuss that as well | 14:30 |
| daemontool | and also we need to start thinking on the dedup | 14:30 |
| daemontool | write a bp | 14:30 |
| m3m0 | but wait, let's move this topic for later then | 14:30 |
| daemontool | have a more tangible discussion | 14:30 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:30 |
| m3m0 | #topic backup as a service | 14:30 |
| daemontool | at your convenience :( | 14:30 |
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| daemontool | :) | 14:30 |
| m3m0 | now :) | 14:31 |
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| m3m0 | we need oslo.policy first | 14:31 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:31 |
| daemontool | anyone is working on that? | 14:31 |
| szaher | me | 14:31 |
| m3m0 | szaher I think | 14:31 |
| daemontool | brilliant | 14:31 |
| szaher | Also I moved freezer-api to context which will help somehow in policy https://review.openstack.org/#/c/303390/7 | 14:31 |
| daemontool | then when it's done please Saad let's discuss this | 14:32 |
| szaher | Sure | 14:32 |
| daemontool | as it it a trend hot topic :) | 14:32 |
| m3m0 | do we need this before the summit? | 14:32 |
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| daemontool | I don't know | 14:33 |
| daemontool | sooner the better | 14:33 |
| daemontool | as a general rule | 14:33 |
| daemontool | :) | 14:34 |
| daemontool | for sure in Newton | 14:34 |
| daemontool | I think we can move next | 14:34 |
| m3m0 | ok :) | 14:36 |
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| m3m0 | #topic Tar bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/freezer/+bug/1570304 | 14:36 |
| m3m0 | reldan? | 14:36 |
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| openstack | m3m0: Error: Could not gather data from Launchpad for bug #1570304 (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1570304). The error has been logged | 14:36 |
| reldan | Yes, bug. Very bad. I’m trying to fix it. But don’t sure about success | 14:37 |
| m3m0 | do you need any help on this? | 14:37 |
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| reldan | You know it is more like investigation. It seems to be a well known bug in tar | 14:38 |
| reldan | At the moment no | 14:39 |
| m3m0 | ok ok, in case you need help you know where we are :) | 14:40 |
| reldan | Thank you m3m0! | 14:40 |
| m3m0 | can we move forward? | 14:40 |
| slashme | The backup consistency code written by clsacramento is almost ready : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300080/ | 14:40 |
| slashme | Just need to finish some testing. | 14:40 |
| slashme | It adds the --consistency_check option during a backup. That will output a chacksum as part of the backup metadata. | 14:40 |
| slashme | You then need to pass that checksum back during the restore with the --consistency_checksum option. | 14:40 |
| slashme | These options will allow the user (and our CI) to be sure that a restored directory is in the *exact* same state than when it was backed up. | 14:40 |
| slashme | Please feel free to review the code. | 14:40 |
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| daemontool | ok clsacramento well done | 14:41 |
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| clsacramento | daemontool: thank you! | 14:41 |
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| m3m0 | that seems very nice :) | 14:42 |
| clsacramento | yes, it is failing on dvsm gate because I'm not used to this process yet, but will be soon fixed and most of it is already done, so please start reviewing when you can | 14:43 |
| m3m0 | as soon as the review process finish let's merge this and include our testing to handle this | 14:43 |
| yangyape_ | i have a recheck | 14:43 |
| m3m0 | can we move forward? | 14:43 |
| m3m0 | I have an offtopic topic :) , should we talk with the nova and cinder team to move their backup code to our project/ | 14:44 |
| m3m0 | ? | 14:44 |
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| daemontool | m3m0, I don't know, probably not for now | 14:46 |
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| daemontool | for sure we acn ask them their opinion | 14:46 |
| daemontool | or request feedback to the ml | 14:47 |
| daemontool | but I think for native backups mode | 14:47 |
| daemontool | it should probably be in the related os service | 14:47 |
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| daemontool | imho | 14:48 |
| m3m0 | I agree, we need the feedback from the community | 14:48 |
| daemontool | but if there's any advantage | 14:49 |
| daemontool | why should we move it | 14:49 |
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| daemontool | *if there isn't | 14:50 |
| m3m0 | we manage the backups, we get more contributors, freezer gets bigger :) | 14:51 |
| m3m0 | we have 7 min left guys | 14:53 |
| m3m0 | can we move forward? | 14:53 |
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| m3m0 | guys I'm ending the meeting, thanks all for participating | 14:58 |
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| m3m0 | #endmeeting | 14:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 14 14:58:13 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-04-14-14.00.html | 14:58 |
| slashme | Thx m3m0 | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-04-14-14.00.txt | 14:58 |
| ddieterly | ciao! | 14:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-04-14-14.00.log.html | 14:58 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 14 15:00:21 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:00 |
| dustins | \o | 15:00 |
| jseiler__ | hi | 15:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:00 |
| gouthamr | hello o/ | 15:00 |
| zhongjun_ | Hi | 15:00 |
| vponomaryov | hello | 15:00 |
| kaisers | hi | 15:00 |
| ganso | hello! | 15:00 |
| xyang1 | hi | 15:00 |
| bswartz | it's a good thing this is an IRC meeting, because I have laryngitis that won't quit | 15:01 |
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| tbarron | :( bad pollen? | 15:01 |
| * bswartz thinks its virus related | 15:01 | |
| bswartz | anyways | 15:01 |
| ganso | bswartz: I was like that for past 2 weeks | 15:01 |
| bswartz | a few topics today | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | #topic announcements | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:01 | |
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| dustins | bswartz: Could always bold or italicize :P | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | summit is in 2 weeks so we'll cancel the 4/28 meeting | 15:02 |
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| mkoderer | hello | 15:02 |
| bswartz | the topics are selected on the etherpad, and I just need to transfer them into the official scheduling tool | 15:02 |
| bswartz | we have a lot of spillover topics to cover on Friday afternoon | 15:03 |
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| gouthamr | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-newton-summit-topics | 15:03 |
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| markstur_ | hi | 15:03 |
| bswartz | you're still welcome to suggest more topics but I think we've got plenty to discuss already | 15:03 |
| bswartz | As I mentioned last week, I think newton is not the right time to do a Europe-based midcycle meetup | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | so I'm looking for possible US-based locations that are willing to host | 15:04 |
| bswartz | RTP (NetApp) will be willing to host again | 15:05 |
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| mkoderer | bswartz: ok | 15:05 |
| bswartz | but we're open to other locations | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | we need to start planning dates for that, and get a location locked in | 15:05 |
| bswartz | I'd like to have a list of locations/dates before the summit so we can poll for what people prefer | 15:06 |
| bswartz | #topic Manage API retrying | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Manage API retrying (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:06 | |
| bswartz | gouthamr/nidhimittalhada: you here? | 15:06 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: thanks. i can cover this.. | 15:07 |
| gouthamr | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1565903 | 15:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1565903 in Manila "retry for manage share fails with an API error " [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Goutham Pacha Ravi (gouthamr) | 15:07 |
| gouthamr | the manage API has a retry logic | 15:07 |
| gouthamr | #link https://github.com/gouthampacha/manila/blob/master/manila/share/api.py#L366 | 15:07 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: I think retry logic isn't an accurate way to portray it | 15:08 |
| gouthamr | that's broken since liberty (since share instances) | 15:08 |
| bswartz | it's more like "reuse" if the admin retries the API | 15:08 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: yes.. | 15:08 |
| bswartz | so the API service doesn't retry anything if the request fails | 15:08 |
| gouthamr | it is trying to reuse the DB record created previously | 15:09 |
| bswartz | but if the admin retries the API request, then the row in the database can get reused rather than forcing the admin to deleted the errored share first | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | s/deleted/delete/ | 15:09 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: true.. is that really helpful? | 15:09 |
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| gouthamr | I was wondering if we could remove that from the API.. | 15:10 |
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| gouthamr | and expect that the admin would delete the db entry and retry instead | 15:10 |
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| gouthamr | reason 1) There's no way to test this feature with tempest tests | 15:11 |
| bswartz | I was just trying to characterize the old behavior before the bug was introduced | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | I'm curious to know how people feel about it | 15:11 |
| vponomaryov | I am ok removing "retry" | 15:11 |
| gouthamr | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1566504 | 15:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1566504 in Manila "Manage API attempts to 'retry' manage if the same parameters are used" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to NidhiMittalHada (nidhimittal19) | 15:12 |
| bswartz | It was added as a convenience for admins, but if feels very anti-REST to me | 15:12 |
| dustins | Yeah, I can see removing the "retry" logic | 15:12 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: so can we do this without a microversion.. | 15:12 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: if we characterize all of the whole old behavior as a bug, then it can be fixed without changing the microversion | 15:13 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/manila/devref/api_microversion_dev.html#when-do-i-need-a-new-microversion | 15:13 |
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| ganso | bswartz: looks like a bug to me | 15:14 |
| gouthamr | thanks.. | 15:14 |
| bswartz | however if the bug just says we should restore the old behavior and make it work the way it used to, then changing it would require a new microversion (and the change would not be backportable) | 15:14 |
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| bswartz | IIRC it was u_glide who implemented the reuse/retry optimization | 15:14 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: the "fix" to this issue is to deepcopy dictionaries in the DB helpers.. | 15:14 |
| bswartz | and he's no longer around to defend his decision | 15:14 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: i would like to keep the fix nevertheless ... since it's always safe to copy your parameters and not modify them | 15:15 |
| bswartz | so if nobody else speaks up in favor of preserving the reuse/retry logic I think we'll just rewrite the bug and say we want that logic removed | 15:15 |
| ganso | gouthamr: I think those are also necessary fixes, although they can be masked if retry is removed, is that right? | 15:15 |
| gouthamr | ganso: yep.. | 15:16 |
| bswartz | okay I'm not hearing any support | 15:16 |
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| gouthamr | will add to the bug report | 15:17 |
| gouthamr | thanks | 15:17 |
| bswartz | #agreed share manage should not attempt to reuse IDs of previously failed (error_managing) shares | 15:17 |
| bswartz | #topic Tempest test structuring - resource sharing and cleanup issues | 15:17 |
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| bswartz | so akerr isn't able to attend today | 15:17 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: do you know about the issues he want to raise? | 15:17 |
| bswartz | I will introduce this topic briefly but we may need to save discussion for a time when he's around | 15:17 |
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| dustins | I know there was the patch he introduced about improving cleanup to not cascade failures | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | mkoderer: issue is to make cleanup failure for some resource appear only once | 15:18 |
| bswartz | the problem is that our tempest tests do a lot at the class level rather than the instance level to facilitate resource sharing between tests | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | mkoderer: now every test cleanup tries to remove failed thing that could be deleted before | 15:18 |
| bswartz | this was considered a good idea for the generic driver because it's so slow and it was the only way to make our gate tests fast | 15:19 |
| dustins | bswartz: But should probably be removed post haste | 15:19 |
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| bswartz | IMO, for every driver other than the generic driver, this is a bad way to do tests | 15:19 |
| vponomaryov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304834/ | 15:19 |
| dustins | I'd argue that it's a bad way even for the generic driver, but a necessary evil | 15:19 |
| bswartz | we should not share resources between test groups | 15:20 |
| cknight | bswartz: +1 | 15:20 |
| bswartz | dustins: +1 | 15:20 |
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| ganso | +1 | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | so I'm still looking for a good solution to: "how do we make the generic driver able to run tempest tests quickly in a world where we don't share any resources between tests" | 15:20 |
| dustins | The answer might be that we cannot | 15:21 |
| bswartz | assuming we can solve that problem, then I'm strongly in favor of restructuring our tests to eliminate sharing of resources | 15:21 |
| bswartz | perhaps not | 15:21 |
| dustins | I'd hate for all of our tests to suffer just for the sake of the Generic Driver | 15:21 |
| bswartz | I would be very curious to see an experiment where we run tempest tests on generic driver with no resource sharing | 15:22 |
| dustins | But having a "fork" of our tests specifically for the Generic Driver isn't optimal either | 15:22 |
| cknight | Once we have the new 1st-party drivers voting, can we run a smaller set of tests on Generic? | 15:22 |
| bswartz | I'd like to know (1) how long does it take and (2) how much CPU/RAM/Strorage gets used | 15:22 |
| mkoderer | I think we should really find a better reference implementation | 15:22 |
| dustins | mkoderer: +1 | 15:22 |
| bswartz | well yes we're working hard to new reference drivers | 15:22 |
| bswartz | that a necessary-but-not-sufficient solution to the problem | 15:23 |
| dustins | bswartz: It would be an interesting experiment | 15:23 |
| bswartz | after we have new reference drivers we will use those for voting gate jobs, but we will continue to support and test generic driver | 15:23 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: but we could reduce the ammount of test for the generic driver | 15:23 |
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| bswartz | mkoderer: possibly, but not less than what we require of 3rd party vendor CI | 15:24 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: what is the goal that is going to be solved by removing "shared resources"? | 15:24 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: test reliability | 15:25 |
| dustins | Failures in one test not affecting any other | 15:25 |
| bswartz | dustins: +1 | 15:25 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz, dustins: problem still will exist that caused errors | 15:26 |
| bswartz | it will be easier to debug failures when a small bug causes exactly 1 failure in tempest rather than what happens today, where a small bug can cause a cascade of failures | 15:26 |
| dustins | bswartz: exactly | 15:26 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: it is easier to update "cleanup" approach | 15:26 |
| bswartz | yes I think that was akerr's point | 15:27 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: than to stop using shared resources | 15:27 |
| bswartz | the first small step to making things better is improve cleanup | 15:27 |
| dustins | Ultimately I'd like to see shared resources go away, but baby steps first | 15:27 |
| bswartz | I'll let akerr speak to his goals around changing class methods to instance methods in the tempest code | 15:27 |
| bswartz | that will have to wait for another meeting | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | it makes sense to me intuitively that resource sharing across tests is generally bad because it can cause a failure in 1 test to cause failures in other tests | 15:28 |
| tbarron | +1 | 15:29 |
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| bswartz | but I also get the benefit of speeding things up by not creating needless extra objects | 15:29 |
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| bswartz | so we have to find a balance there | 15:29 |
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| bswartz | I suspect we're currently too far on the sharing of resources side | 15:29 |
| bswartz | that's all I'll say about this topic | 15:29 |
| dustins | Indeed, make it as fast as possible while maintaining as much independence of resources as we can | 15:29 |
| vponomaryov | we share them now so, they cannot break each other running in parallel in any order | 15:30 |
| vponomaryov | it is enough | 15:30 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: I think it depends on the type of object | 15:30 |
| vponomaryov | 1 cleanup errror or 10 - anywa we have a problem | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | I think you may be correct if you ignore problems in tests cleanup, but I think many QA people believe it's wrong to ignore those cleanup errors | 15:31 |
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| dustins | Absolutely | 15:31 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: why ignore? they are analized easily | 15:31 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: that the main thing | 15:31 |
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| bswartz | not by me | 15:32 |
| bswartz | I have a hard time tracing down the reason tests fail | 15:32 |
| dustins | Same | 15:32 |
| bswartz | and I've been doing this for a while | 15:32 |
| vponomaryov | because it lays not in tempest but services | 15:32 |
| bswartz | I feel bad for first time developers trying to debug a test failure | 15:32 |
| cknight | Same here. A failing test should be caused by an issue with that test, not some other one. | 15:33 |
| dustins | Or the testers trying to figure out if something's actually wrong or if something just randomly failed | 15:33 |
| vponomaryov | it is question of cleanup, but not shared resources | 15:33 |
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| dustins | vponomaryov: I'd argue that it's a bit of both | 15:33 |
| bswartz | yeah I think we need to discuss the various proposed changes on a case by case basis | 15:33 |
| vponomaryov | dustins: current problem in "cleanup" is python-specific | 15:33 |
| bswartz | some sharing is probably accepable | 15:34 |
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| vponomaryov | dustins: we have false cleanup errors on "not-really-shared-resources" | 15:34 |
| bswartz | but some of it definitely causes issues | 15:34 |
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| vponomaryov | dustins: just because of python specifics | 15:34 |
| dustins | vponomaryov: I'm not sure I follow, I'll chat with you afterwards to see if we can get on the same page | 15:34 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: we've never seen those on the NetApp CI | 15:34 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: false cleanup errors.. | 15:35 |
| bswartz | so I'd like to revisit this topic with vponomaryov, akerr, and dustins sometime soon | 15:35 |
| bswartz | perhaps next meeting or perhaps earlier than that if we can find a time | 15:35 |
| bswartz | for now let's move on | 15:35 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: by "false" I mean "duplication of failure again and again" | 15:35 |
| * gouthamr adds himself as interested party :P | 15:35 | |
| bswartz | gouthamr: I won't exclude anybody | 15:35 |
| bswartz | #topic Snapshot support common capability in the documentation | 15:36 |
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| bswartz | gouthamr: you are up again | 15:36 |
| gouthamr | alright.. i saw this bug #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1506863 | 15:36 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1506863 in Manila "'snapshot_support' capability absent in appropriate dev doc" [High,New] | 15:36 |
| bswartz | gah! | 15:36 |
| gouthamr | and i decided to let some part of it piggyback on my changes to that file.. since it's a doc change.. | 15:36 |
| gouthamr | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300018/5/doc/source/devref/share_back_ends_feature_support_mapping.rst | 15:37 |
| gouthamr | but then, i got some concerns about when a driver should advertise support for this capability | 15:37 |
| bswartz | that's an unforunate bug | 15:37 |
| gouthamr | :( | 15:37 |
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| bswartz | gouthamr: please don't piggyback multiple changes | 15:37 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: now i know. | 15:38 |
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| gouthamr | bswartz: so i thought i'd let you guys decide what's to be done about snapshot_support in that table. | 15:38 |
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| bswartz | the only good reason to squash unrelated changes is if there are 2 or more gate-blocker bugs that need fixing simultaneously | 15:38 |
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| bswartz | I thought we were going to get rid of that table... | 15:39 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: i can take it out.. but im still interested in knowing how we want that column to read.. | 15:39 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: that could be one soluion | 15:40 |
| gouthamr | s/soluion/solution | 15:40 |
| bswartz | we need to capture the relevant info somewhere before we remove it | 15:40 |
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| bswartz | but let's not spend too much time arguing about how the table should look if its planned to be deleted | 15:41 |
| gouthamr | suggestion: the OpenStack Configuration Reference : http://docs.openstack.org/mitaka/config-reference/ | 15:41 |
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| gouthamr | bswartz: i know there's value in maintaining a table with checkmarks whether a feature is currently supported | 15:42 |
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| bswartz | yes | 15:42 |
| gouthamr | its valuable to developers, deployers and users.. | 15:42 |
| bswartz | justt not in the dev ref | 15:42 |
| bswartz | users and deployers should never find anything useful in the dev ref | 15:42 |
| gouthamr | true | 15:43 |
| bswartz | if they do, it's because we failed to put useful information in the actual docs | 15:43 |
| dustins | Well, not ONLY in the devref :) | 15:43 |
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| dustins | But agreed | 15:44 |
| bswartz | dustins: you know what I mean | 15:44 |
| dustins | Indeed | 15:44 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: does that work for you? | 15:44 |
| gouthamr | we can move this to config-ref.. | 15:44 |
| bswartz | we can plan to move it | 15:44 |
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| bswartz | but for your change, just avoid that issue entirely | 15:45 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: for the review in question, i would like to remove the snapshot_support column but retain the replication_type column | 15:45 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: or do i not bother about that column too? ^ | 15:45 |
| bswartz | I would ignore it as not relevant | 15:45 |
| bswartz | start another change to deal with it specifically | 15:45 |
| gouthamr | sure thing. thanks for the clarification! | 15:46 |
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| bswartz | okay! | 15:46 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:46 | |
| bswartz | anything else today? | 15:47 |
| bswartz | okay thanks everyone! | 15:48 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 14 15:48:19 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-04-14-15.00.html | 15:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-04-14-15.00.txt | 15:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-04-14-15.00.log.html | 15:48 |
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| xarses | #startmeeting fuel | 16:00 |
| xarses | #chair xarses | 16:00 |
| xarses | Todays Agenda: | 16:00 |
| xarses | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:00 |
| xarses | Who's here? | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 14 16:00:15 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xarses. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: xarses | 16:00 |
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| mwhahaha | hi2u | 16:00 |
| fzhadaev | Hi! | 16:00 |
| mihgen | hi | 16:00 |
| pzhurba | Hi! | 16:00 |
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| akasatkin | hi | 16:00 |
| kozhukalov | hi | 16:00 |
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| vsakharov | hi | 16:00 |
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| angdraug | \o | 16:00 |
| romcheg | \o | 16:00 |
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| EZPZ | HI | 16:01 |
| xarses | #topic action items from last meeting | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "action items from last meeting (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:01 | |
| xarses | mwhahaha alex_didenko zynzel will document remaining gaps in idempotency coverage | 16:01 |
| mwhahaha | nope, will do it this week. i'd also like to know where qa is around the tests for it | 16:02 |
| alex_didenko | I have no news but https://launchpad.net/bugs/1541309 | 16:02 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1541309 in Fuel for OpenStack "Make network configuration idempotent" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Aleksandr Didenko (adidenko) | 16:02 |
| xarses | thanks, I will ask again next week then? | 16:02 |
| xarses | bookwar will update dev focus to newton | 16:03 |
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| dpyzhov | done | 16:03 |
| xarses | thanks | 16:03 |
| xarses | bookwar and dpyzhov will collaborate on next steps for moving bugs | 16:03 |
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| dpyzhov | done | 16:03 |
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| dpyzhov | Will share the status in my report | 16:03 |
| xarses | ok | 16:04 |
| xarses | #topic Telco Team Status (fzhadaev) | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Telco Team Status (fzhadaev) (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:04 | |
| fzhadaev | My update will be short. Our team continues fixing bugs: | 16:04 |
| fzhadaev | Done 10 | 16:04 |
| fzhadaev | In progress (in development and on review) 11 | 16:04 |
| fzhadaev | Do you have any questions? | 16:04 |
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| xarses | any planning for newton? | 16:05 |
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| fzhadaev | not yet | 16:05 |
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| xarses | k | 16:05 |
| xarses | #topic Mixed team status (pzhurba) | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mixed team status (pzhurba) (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:05 | |
| pzhurba | Hi | 16:05 |
| pzhurba | Mixed team was working on customer support, common bugfixing, and reviews. | 16:05 |
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| pzhurba | For now there are 2 open bugs in work connected our feature - multipath | 16:06 |
| pzhurba | https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1567450 | 16:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1567450 in Fuel for OpenStack "Provisioned node with multipath device can't boot if Base System isn't on dm-0" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Krzysztof Szukiełojć (kszukielojc) | 16:06 |
| pzhurba | And | 16:06 |
| pzhurba | https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1562836 | 16:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1562836 in Fuel for OpenStack "[fuel-qa][venv]Provision of node with multipath device fails on boot" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Fuel QA Team (fuel-qa) | 16:06 |
| pzhurba | that is all | 16:06 |
| pzhurba | questions? | 16:07 |
| xarses | any planning for newton? | 16:07 |
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| pzhurba | ? | 16:07 |
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| pzhurba | I din'd heard any thing | 16:07 |
| xarses | have you thought about what your team will work on in newton? | 16:07 |
| xarses | ok | 16:08 |
| pzhurba | Not yest | 16:08 |
| pzhurba | Not yet | 16:08 |
| xarses | #topic UI Team status (vkramskikh) | 16:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "UI Team status (vkramskikh) (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:08 | |
| vkramskikh | Hi! Since the last week we had 3 outgoing and 3 incoming High bugs. Currently we have 3 High bugs. One of them is a bug related to unlock-settings-tab feature, 2 other bugs are late-discovery bugs. We plan to fix them before the release of Apr 20th. | 16:08 |
| vkramskikh | After finishing our work on bugs we want to resolve some tech debt. We already updated lots of our dependencies to the latest versions, including React v15 which was released on Apr 8th. | 16:08 |
| vkramskikh | Questions? | 16:08 |
| xarses | any plans for newton? looks like you are getting your deps updated | 16:09 |
| vkramskikh | we're going to resolve some tech debt, no plans for features yet | 16:09 |
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| xarses | ok | 16:09 |
| xarses | #topic Bugfix status (dpyzhov) | 16:10 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugfix status (dpyzhov) (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:10 | |
| dpyzhov | We've moved medium/low/wishlist priority bugs to Newton release | 16:10 |
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| dpyzhov | Now we are targetting high/critical priority bugs both to Newton and Mitaka | 16:10 |
| dpyzhov | We have some bugs with keep-in-9.0 tag | 16:11 |
| xarses | by moved, we mean marked wont fix in Mitaka and adding Newton series? | 16:11 |
| dpyzhov | I guess we'll fix them in Newton | 16:11 |
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| dpyzhov | xarses: exactly | 16:11 |
| dpyzhov | maybe we'll replace keep-in-9.0 tag with something more appropriate | 16:11 |
| xarses | do you know what the carry over stats where? | 16:12 |
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| xarses | i.e. how many did we move over | 16:12 |
| dpyzhov | Now we have 88 high priority bugs in library and python. As I know we have a release in nearest future. Are we ok to release with this number of bugs? | 16:12 |
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| dpyzhov | xarses: I shared stats last week | 16:12 |
| dpyzhov | it was about 100 of bugs | 16:12 |
| xarses | ok | 16:12 |
| dpyzhov | 122 bugs | 16:13 |
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| dpyzhov | it is current value | 16:13 |
| kozhukalov | dpyzhov: we are not ok with having 88 high bugs, we are going to announce 9.0 release as unstable and then achive higher quality in June | 16:13 |
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| dpyzhov | Are we going to have public iso in June with fixes? | 16:14 |
| kozhukalov | it will 9.0.1 release | 16:14 |
| kozhukalov | yes | 16:14 |
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| dpyzhov | great | 16:14 |
| xarses | have we looked over the high's to make sure they are high? | 16:14 |
| xarses | that seems like alot | 16:15 |
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| dpyzhov | there are many bugs in new features | 16:15 |
| kozhukalov | we are going to analyze these 88 bugs on Monday | 16:15 |
| xarses | OK | 16:16 |
| dpyzhov | however we didn't perform special review if they all are high priority | 16:16 |
| kozhukalov | in order to understand which of them are Higher than other high bugs | 16:16 |
| dpyzhov | there should be no low priority bugs among them because almost all bugs are in progress | 16:16 |
| dpyzhov | thats all from my side | 16:17 |
| kozhukalov | moving on? | 16:17 |
| xarses | #topic Austin design summit sessions planning (deadline for filling in is 04/15/2016) (kozhukalov) | 16:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Austin design summit sessions planning (deadline for filling in is 04/15/2016) (kozhukalov) (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:17 | |
| kozhukalov | we have couple of sessions where we the agenda is not filled in yet | 16:17 |
| kozhukalov | deadline is tomorrow | 16:17 |
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| kozhukalov | we'd better put all our sessions to the official schedule one week before summit | 16:18 |
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| xarses | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-newton-summit-planning | 16:18 |
| kozhukalov | yes, thanks for the link | 16:18 |
| kozhukalov | xarses: one of those empty agendas is in your session about plugins | 16:19 |
| xarses | yes, I see | 16:19 |
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| kozhukalov | and another is about scalability | 16:19 |
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| kozhukalov | also I have added puppet master integration topic to LCM session | 16:19 |
| xarses | ok | 16:20 |
| kozhukalov | in order to make sure community is informed about this solution | 16:20 |
| xarses | anything else? | 16:21 |
| kozhukalov | nothing | 16:21 |
| xarses | #topic open discuss | 16:21 |
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| kozhukalov | thanks | 16:21 |
| xarses | if any one has anything to raise, otherwise I will close the meeting shortly | 16:21 |
| kozhukalov | we have few bugs which are related to /boot partition | 16:21 |
| kozhukalov | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1569956 | 16:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1569956 in Fuel for OpenStack mitaka "fuel does not provision software raid as shown in documentation" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Fuel Python Team (fuel-python) | 16:22 |
| kozhukalov | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1566399 | 16:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1566399 in Fuel for OpenStack 8.0.x "Fuel creates boot partitions on unalocated drives" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to MOS Maintenance (mos-maintenance) | 16:22 |
| kozhukalov | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1567450 | 16:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1567450 in Fuel for OpenStack "Provisioned node with multipath device can't boot if Base System isn't on dm-0" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Krzysztof Szukiełojć (kszukielojc) | 16:22 |
| kozhukalov | we have kind of tricky logic in fuel-agent about where to put this /boot partition | 16:23 |
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| kozhukalov | this logic does not cover all possible cases | 16:23 |
| kozhukalov | my suggestion is to introduce bootable disk flag on UI | 16:23 |
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| kozhukalov | we had it 3 years ago, and now it seems that it was not so bad idea | 16:24 |
| xarses | ya, we will probably need to re-work it again | 16:24 |
| kozhukalov | what do you guys think? | 16:24 |
| kozhukalov | the thing is in most cases we could put /boot partition on the same disk where first physical volume of os volume group is located | 16:25 |
| kozhukalov | but it does not work for nvme devices | 16:25 |
| kozhukalov | and probably for some other cases | 16:26 |
| kozhukalov | so we need this to be exposed to a user | 16:26 |
| kozhukalov | so she can configure it if default assumption is wrong | 16:26 |
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| kozhukalov | vkramskikh: said that it is not so hard to implement this even in 9.0 | 16:27 |
| xarses | we'll likely have to draft out how this will need to be restructured and weigh in on it. I'd like to ensure we have uefi support too | 16:27 |
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| kozhukalov | if we adopt Ironic then we will get uefi out of the box | 16:28 |
| kozhukalov | it would be great to have uefi support in fuel | 16:28 |
| kozhukalov | ok, looks like we can move this discussion to ML | 16:28 |
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| kozhukalov | that is it from my side | 16:29 |
| xarses | ok, sounds good | 16:29 |
| xarses | I will close shortly if there is nothing else. | 16:29 |
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| xarses | ok, thanks everyone | 16:31 |
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| xarses | #endmeeting | 16:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 14 16:31:06 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-04-14-16.00.html | 16:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-04-14-16.00.txt | 16:31 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-04-14-16.00.log.html | 16:31 |
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| hyakuhei | #startmeeting security | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 14 17:00:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:00 | |
| tkelsey | o/ | 17:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | o/ | 17:00 |
| hyakuhei | o/ | 17:00 |
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| hyakuhei | #chair tmcpeak | 17:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hyakuhei tmcpeak | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: last time we decided we'll use a permanent agenda file | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | makes it easy to keep track | 17:00 |
| hyakuhei | #link agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 17:00 |
| hyakuhei | Yup - I mailed the ML about it. | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | yeah that one :) | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | ahh cool | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | I may or may not have declared ML bankrupcy | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | lol | 17:01 |
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| hyakuhei | Lotus notes man.... | 17:01 |
| tmcpeak | yeah :'( | 17:01 |
| tkelsey | lol fun times | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | bknudson: How do you managed to keep up with the mailing list? | 17:01 |
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| bknudson | I don't use notes for the mailing list | 17:01 |
| tmcpeak | probably spends like 3 hours doing it :P | 17:01 |
| browne | o/ | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | ahh maybe I should forward to my personal gmail instead | 17:02 |
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| bknudson | I use gmail and it works | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | there you go tmcpeak | 17:02 |
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| tmcpeak | bknudson: you wanna go halvesies on a personal exchange server :P | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | lol | 17:02 |
| bknudson | I don't want to go anywhere near anything microsoft | 17:03 |
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| tmcpeak | true, the devil you know I guess | 17:03 |
| browne | bknudson: ha do you use windowz | 17:03 |
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| bknudson | I don't use windows | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | having no outside knowledge I can practically guarantee bknudson does not use Windowz | 17:03 |
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| ccneill | o/ | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | Ouch: http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2016/q2/69 | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | That’s actually very nasty. | 17:04 |
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| bknudson | it's got a boring name | 17:05 |
| dg__ | o/ | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | yikes | 17:05 |
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| gmurphy | rh - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/page.cgi?id=fields.html#priorityhttps://bugzilla.redhat.com/page.cgi?id=fields.html#priorityhttps://bugzilla.redhat.com/page.cgi?id=fields.html#priority | 17:05 |
| gmurphy | low https://bugzilla.redhat.com/page.cgi?id=fields.html#bug_severity low | 17:05 |
| gmurphy | doh | 17:05 |
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| gmurphy | that was meant to say - priorty low, severity low | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | why low? non-standard config? | 17:05 |
| gmurphy | according to the bz | 17:05 |
| gmurphy | well | 17:06 |
| gmurphy | windows | 17:06 |
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| gmurphy | maybe | 17:06 |
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| gmurphy | i dunno | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | Host leak. | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | host leaks are bad, mkay? | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | lol yeah. The TPR was built to make win32 VMs play nice but I imagine anything can abuse it | 17:07 |
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| tmcpeak | btw I'm not going to be around next two weeks, PTO then summit things | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | I assume we aren't having a meeting summit week anyway huh? | 17:08 |
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| hyakuhei | I was going to suggest that | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | Might as well start with the periodicals. | 17:08 |
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| hyakuhei | #topic Summit | 17:08 |
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| tmcpeak | sdake: scored you that VMT session, or something, yeah? | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | Ok, so first up, I have no idea if I’ll have budget for a team meal or not - sorry | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: Yeah he’s got some TA stuff lined up | 17:10 |
| sdake | tmcpeak we worked together on scoring it) | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | awesome | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | I want to polish the TA stuff | 17:10 |
| gmurphy | https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/9476?goback=1 | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | At the moment there’s the stuff dg__ has in review and there’s the stuff I blogged about / we captured at the mid-cycle but it’s all disjoint. | 17:10 |
| sdake | hyakuhei you hve a cross project session at sumit on tuesday your leading | 17:10 |
| sdake | hyakuhei in case you weren't aware ;) | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | I was but thanks for the link :D | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | #action everyone - attend that ! | 17:11 |
| michaelxin1 | Will be there for sure | 17:11 |
| bknudson | added it to my calendar | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | Excellent! | 17:11 |
| dg__ | hyakuhei I proposed a fishbowl session on the TA, to try and define a process. Or we can do it on the plane | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | both | 17:11 |
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| dg__ | kk | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | Ok, is everyone happy to cancel the Security IRC meeting next week? | 17:12 |
| gmurphy | any other sessions being run? | 17:12 |
| ccneill | sure, I'll be out on PTO too | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | +1 | 17:12 |
| ccneill | +1 | 17:12 |
| michaelxin1 | +1 | 17:13 |
| browne | +1 | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | Excellent, I’ll mail something out a little later | 17:13 |
| NotDrunk | +1 | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | for those who actually read the ml…. tmcpeak .... | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | I'll need to have bknudson explain his dark art | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | Ok nothing else on the topical agenda so we’ll move onto the standing items | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Anchor | 17:13 |
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| hyakuhei | Nothing new here that I’ve seen. I was hoping we might work with the Magnum guys on some of their problems but they’re focussed on either Barbican/Keystone so meh. No big code changes that I’m aware of. | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | tkelsey: anything to add? | 17:15 |
| tkelsey | nothing from me | 17:16 |
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| hyakuhei | #topic Bandit | 17:16 |
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| tkelsey | so there is this: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301847/ | 17:16 |
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| tkelsey | and also designate is the first project to use the new no-config bandit | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | I think we should JFDI | 17:17 |
| browne | yeah, once we're on 1.0.1 minimum, we can do easier things in other projects | 17:17 |
| tkelsey | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/302234/ just merged | 17:17 |
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| hyakuhei | weeee | 17:17 |
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| hyakuhei | Good work | 17:17 |
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| tkelsey | thats all I have on bandit :) | 17:18 |
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| michaelxin | good job | 17:18 |
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| ccneill | haha I like that they posted this on the CR | 17:18 |
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| ccneill | https://media.giphy.com/media/oit9mu0v5LqzC/giphy.gif | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | what we doing for the summit on Bandit? | 17:18 |
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| browne | at the summit, let's discuss the symbol table at least | 17:19 |
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| tmcpeak | browne: cool, we can do that | 17:19 |
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| tmcpeak | are we going to do anything for outreach? | 17:20 |
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| hyakuhei | There’s nothing explicit though one of hte work sessions was tagged for Bandit IIRC | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | https://www.dropbox.com/s/omovd97n681a43t/Screenshot%202016-04-14%2018.19.42.png?dl=0 | 17:20 |
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| hyakuhei | I’ll have some bandit in my talk too | 17:20 |
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| tmcpeak | sweet | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | say nice things :P | 17:20 |
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| tmcpeak | NETSPLIT! | 17:21 |
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| hyakuhei | boom! | 17:21 |
| tkelsey | humm fun | 17:22 |
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| tmcpeak | Syntribos? | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | Well, next on the agenda would be docs | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | but sicarie just netsplit and elmiko is away today | 17:22 |
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| hyakuhei | #topic Syntribos | 17:22 |
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| tmcpeak | maybe makes sense to do projects, then doc-y things in agendas going forward | 17:22 |
| michaelxin | sounds good | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:23 |
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| michaelxin | ccneill: mdong: your turn | 17:23 |
| ccneill | kewl | 17:23 |
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| ccneill | so I started playing around with the sphinx docs I've been working on | 17:23 |
| ccneill | and managed to get it flattened and on Github pages | 17:23 |
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| ccneill | http://cneill.github.io/syntribos-docs/ | 17:24 |
| ccneill | what I'd *really* like though is to have a permanent home for it | 17:24 |
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| ccneill | does anyone know the process for getting this on openstack.org / have recommendations for how to lay out these docs? elmiko already got us started (thank you again!), but I'm definitely not a docs expert | 17:24 |
| ccneill | http://cneill.github.io/syntribos-docs/code-docs.html | 17:25 |
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| tkelsey | well there is a way to hook up a docs job to make openstack docs | 17:25 |
| ccneill | this is the main part I'm working on right now | 17:25 |
| tkelsey | take a look at bandits tox for an example | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | +1 what tkelsey said | 17:25 |
| ccneill | cool, will do | 17:25 |
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| hyakuhei | So you want something like http://docs.openstack.org/developer/anchor/ | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | you just add a docs publish template or something | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | ? | 17:25 |
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| ccneill | hyakuhei: yep, that would be awesome | 17:25 |
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| ccneill | I'll take a look at bandit and if I can't figure it out I might bug y'all about it later | 17:26 |
| tkelsey | heh, hyakuhei beat me to it #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/bandit/ | 17:26 |
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| hyakuhei | Yeah, it’s just a few infra changes iirc. | 17:26 |
| michaelxin | nice | 17:26 |
| ccneill | other things... we're working on getting results formatted in a way that can be consumed by automation rather than manual reading | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | excellent | 17:27 |
| ccneill | I believe this is the closest representation of what it's shaping up to look like | 17:27 |
| ccneill | https://gist.github.com/MCDong/1cc3775d2e43381bc55072df1a43b375 | 17:27 |
| mdong | or, less messily | 17:27 |
| mdong | https://gist.github.com/MCDong/9969351647c06f7ab67ab7d954e6cd66 | 17:27 |
| ccneill | we've stopped working on XUnit output for the moment since no one's really asked for it, and it's gonna require a little more creative thinking in terms of fitting our testing methodology into their TestSuite/TestCase/failure/etc. buckets | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | looks good | 17:27 |
| ccneill | ah yes, thanks mdong | 17:27 |
| ccneill | much clearer :) | 17:27 |
| michaelxin | For resources, we did get another developer from Intel committed. | 17:27 |
| ccneill | shweet | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | wow, so what's your total count? | 17:28 |
| michaelxin | He will start working on the project in two weeks | 17:28 |
| ccneill | 4 now | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | noice! | 17:28 |
| michaelxin | 2 now | 17:28 |
| michaelxin | 4 in two weeks | 17:28 |
| michaelxin | They are in three week training session | 17:28 |
| ccneill | yeah, mdong and I are kinda the skeleton crew right now haha | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | 3 week training? rax don't mess around :P | 17:29 |
| ccneill | nah it's Intel | 17:29 |
| browne | i would be interested. i might be able to help out | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | ahh | 17:29 |
| ccneill | they're learning about deploying a full OpenStack instance I believe | 17:29 |
| michaelxin | browne: +1 | 17:29 |
| michaelxin | Thanks | 17:29 |
| ccneill | so he'll be our go-to guy on all the projects that we ultimately want to test :D | 17:29 |
| michaelxin | That should wrap up for syntribos | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | that's cool, useful to have around | 17:30 |
| ccneill | let us know if you guys have any thoughts on the output of results - we've debated it a lot, but nothing's 100% set in stone yet | 17:30 |
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| ccneill | trying to walk the line of being OpenStack-specific but still generally useful | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | ccneill: LGTM | 17:30 |
| ccneill | shweet | 17:31 |
| ccneill | I think that's it for us | 17:31 |
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| hyakuhei | Great! | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei | #topic OSSN | 17:31 |
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| hyakuhei | So I’ve got two in the works. One public, one private | 17:32 |
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| tmcpeak | what a beast | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | Be nice to clear out the queue though | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300091/ | 17:32 |
| michaelxin | gee | 17:32 |
| michaelxin | +1 | 17:32 |
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| hyakuhei | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn | 17:33 |
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| michaelxin | I am working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/trove/+bug/1507841 | 17:34 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1507841 in OpenStack Security Notes "mongodb guest instance allows any user to connect" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Michael Xin (michael-xin) | 17:34 |
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| hyakuhei | Thanks michaelxin ! | 17:34 |
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| hyakuhei | So I think that means there’s only one not in progress | 17:34 |
| michaelxin | The only remaining issue is that the developer never responded about whether other versions will be impacted or not. | 17:34 |
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| hyakuhei | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/+bug/1553324 | 17:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1553324 in OpenStack Security Advisory "potential DOS with revoke by id or audit_id" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | this is an interesting one to write | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei | michaelxin: When it’s almost ready, if the developer doesn’t respond just send a link to the ML saying the OSSN is ready but needs signoff from [team] - that normally gets a bunch of super helpful -1’s | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | we've danced around rate limiting for a while | 17:35 |
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| hyakuhei | Yeah its a mess | 17:35 |
| michaelxin | hyakuhei: Got it. | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei | Everyone punts on it | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | I'm not sure what the answer should be | 17:36 |
| ccneill | looks like he's in the channel right now michaelxin :) | 17:36 |
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| tmcpeak | I'll think on this a while and if I come up with good guidance I'll take a shot | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | Rate limiting might be something to discuss @summit | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | honestly a central rate limiting service in oslo makes the most sense to me | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: +1 I think so | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | it's the kind of thing that if it isn't centralized every service ends up doing their own | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | is also the kind of thing security should spearhead | 17:38 |
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| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: I’m not sure about oslo | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | how come? | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | not the right place? | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | I mean, most services shouldn’t be fronting themselves | 17:38 |
| gmurphy | umm.. no. you don't do rate limiting in python code. | 17:38 |
| michaelxin | a central place with policy that might override if needed | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | Most should be using apache/nginx/whatever | 17:39 |
| michaelxin | or Repose | 17:39 |
| ccneill | http://www.openrepose.org/ | 17:39 |
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| hyakuhei | So for simple rest rate limiting I think what’s needed is some guidance / boilerplate | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | gmurphy: why no rate limiting in Python? | 17:39 |
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| michaelxin | http://www.openrepose.org/ | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | needs to be lower leveL? | 17:39 |
| bknudson | I assume haproxy can do rate limiting | 17:39 |
| bknudson | nginx | 17:39 |
| gmurphy | yeah haproxy etc should be doing dis | 17:40 |
| gmurphy | too slow | 17:40 |
| ccneill | Repose might not be the optimal solution, but it might be one thing we could document for a few use cases | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | ahh | 17:40 |
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| hyakuhei | For other rate limiting (like limiting the impact of X number of things that cause internal load multiplication) then perhaps there’s scope for something more “in” openstakc | 17:40 |
| michaelxin | Repose is Rackspace solution for rating limiting and other features and we open sourced it | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | well it does seem like the kind of thing we should discuss at the summit then | 17:40 |
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| tmcpeak | get some worldwide experts like gmurphy in there to sort us out :P | 17:40 |
| gmurphy | nah | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | :P | 17:41 |
| gmurphy | i'll be at the bar | 17:41 |
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| hyakuhei | gmurphy: where all the real work gets done | 17:41 |
| gmurphy | ;-) | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | we can do it in the morning between when you leave the bar the night before and when you go to the bar early in the afternoon :) | 17:41 |
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| hyakuhei | ok lets roll on | 17:42 |
| gmurphy | indeed | 17:42 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Publicity | 17:42 |
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| hyakuhei | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-raising-profile | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | I havne't done anything, been dropping the ball | 17:42 |
| hyakuhei | So my summit talk has changed for reasons I’ll go into shortly. | 17:42 |
| hyakuhei | So I’ll be doing an OSSP talk | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | ahh interesting | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | Which will borrow from the publicity stuff | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | how can we help? | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | but also hopefully have some short, pretty demos | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/7957?goback=1 | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | you going to use the deck? | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | Yes, the clicbait does make me feel bad | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: I’ll either use it or contribute back what I write for the summit to the deck | 17:44 |
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| tmcpeak | cool | 17:44 |
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| hyakuhei | Which is how we got the nice big Anchor deck | 17:44 |
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| tmcpeak | I assume the reason you've changed topics is bc OpenStack is so secure you can't haz root :) | 17:45 |
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| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: yup | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | Turns out it’s hardened to fsck. | 17:46 |
| tmcpeak | sweet, mission accomplished | 17:46 |
| tmcpeak | looool | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | :D | 17:46 |
| tmcpeak | somebody needs to put that on the website somewhere | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | Last item of business. Disband OSSP. Job done. | 17:46 |
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| ccneill | lolol | 17:46 |
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| hyakuhei | So yeah, I’m guessing not much else on publicity | 17:46 |
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| ccneill | party's over | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | lol | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Blog | 17:47 |
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| hyakuhei | I want to get more down about TA so that Doug and I can compare our various scribbles before the summit | 17:47 |
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| tkelsey_ | erg didi i net split? | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak1 | something happened to me too | 17:48 |
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| hyakuhei | hmmm. | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei | welcome back :D | 17:48 |
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| hyakuhei | #topic Threat analysis | 17:49 |
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| tmcpeak1 | why you switch your preso? | 17:49 |
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| hyakuhei | So I’m not sure there’s much more to say other than I want to document a bit more on the blog, after which Doug and I need to smash the stuff together and push it around | 17:49 |
| hyakuhei | #topic AOB | 17:49 |
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| hyakuhei | So to answer your question tmcpeak | 17:49 |
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| hyakuhei | I’m moving to IBM, as of Monday. | 17:50 |
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| hyakuhei | My talk, in it’s current format, wouldn’t be suitable to give | 17:50 |
| bknudson | finally joining the dark side | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak1 | small world :) | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | neither HPE or IBM would approve | 17:50 |
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| tmcpeak1 | ahh interesting | 17:50 |
| browne | what??? wow | 17:50 |
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| hyakuhei | So I spoke to the track chairs and the organisers and as I had a talk (OSSP) listed as an alternate we just swapped them | 17:51 |
| ccneill | :o | 17:51 |
| bknudson | I really should get a bonus for convincing you guys to come to ibm. | 17:51 |
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| browne | ibm must be paying the big bucks now | 17:51 |
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| hyakuhei | bknudson: you really should just get a bonus. | 17:51 |
| hyakuhei | for being bknudson | 17:51 |
| hyakuhei | they certainly pay some bucks. | 17:52 |
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| hyakuhei | At least, I hope they do. Didn’t really come up in conversation. | 17:52 |
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| hyakuhei | Wow netsplit city. | 17:52 |
| hyakuhei | Anyway yes, that’s my big exciting news | 17:52 |
| tkelsey | heh yeah :-/ | 17:52 |
| bknudson | still working on security? | 17:52 |
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| tmcpeak1 | welcome aboard :) | 17:52 |
| tkelsey | :-/ to the net split :) to the big news lol | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak1 | nah, hyakuhei got a marketing gig | 17:53 |
| bknudson | that's where hyakuhei belongs. | 17:53 |
| tmcpeak1 | +1 | 17:53 |
| hyakuhei | bknudson: Still cloud, still openstack, still security :) | 17:53 |
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| tmcpeak1 | look forward to seeing a bunch of you at summit then | 17:54 |
| tmcpeak1 | hyakuhei: let us know if we can help with your deck or the TA stuff | 17:54 |
| hyakuhei | Cheers | 17:55 |
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| hyakuhei | So breifly | 17:55 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg80864.html may be interesting | 17:55 |
| hyakuhei | if you didn’t already see it | 17:55 |
| tmcpeak1 | interesting | 17:56 |
| bknudson | we've always had the credentials backend that I don't know what anyone was using it fore. | 17:56 |
| bknudson | other than ec2 tokens | 17:56 |
| tmcpeak1 | bknudson: is it any good? | 17:56 |
| hyakuhei | It’s a bit messy iirc | 17:56 |
| bknudson | it's essentially a key-value store | 17:56 |
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| ccneill | <_> just another day in "but what if we did it ANOTHER way" land.. | 17:57 |
| tmcpeak1 | ccneill: +1 | 17:57 |
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| hyakuhei | lol | 17:57 |
| hyakuhei | coming up on time... | 17:57 |
| tmcpeak1 | good meeting all | 17:58 |
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| hyakuhei | See y’all at the summit! | 17:58 |
| tmcpeak1 | see a bunch of you in BBQ land | 17:58 |
| ccneill | see y'all in a few weeks! enjoy the summit, sorry I won't be there :( | 17:58 |
| hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 17:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 14 17:58:36 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-04-14-17.00.html | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-04-14-17.00.txt | 17:58 |
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| bknudson | looks like we'll be having the keystone meetup in the bay area | 17:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-04-14-17.00.log.html | 17:58 |
| hyakuhei | Have a vacation instead ccneill | 17:58 |
| ccneill | indeed. :) | 17:58 |
| hyakuhei | bknudson: mid-cycle? yeah I saw | 17:58 |
| ccneill | enjoy the new digs, hyakuhei ! | 17:58 |
| hyakuhei | we’ll aim for a back2back with Barbican again I think | 17:59 |
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| hyakuhei | cheers ccneill | 17:59 |
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| vgridnev | #startmeeting sahara | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 14 18:00:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vgridnev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:00 |
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| vgridnev | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 18:00 |
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| vgridnev | let's wait a little | 18:00 |
| vgridnev | hi folks! | 18:00 |
| NikitaKonovalov_ | o/ | 18:00 |
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| mionkin | hi | 18:00 |
| huichun | hi | 18:00 |
| egafford | o/ | 18:01 |
| esikachev | hi | 18:01 |
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| tosky | hi | 18:01 |
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| vgridnev | #topic News / Updates | 18:02 |
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| vgridnev | anything new folks? | 18:02 |
| vgridnev | First release of sahara-tests is done! | 18:03 |
| egafford | \o/ | 18:03 |
| tosky | and a bugfix will be out shortly :) | 18:03 |
| tosky | (it does not work when pip-installed) | 18:03 |
| tosky | working on it, both esikachev and me | 18:03 |
| esikachev | try fix sahara-ci(migrate on heat-neutron) | 18:04 |
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| vgridnev | also I'm doing some research in ambari, also busy with some internal things | 18:04 |
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| mionkin | I've added patch to sahara about migration from keystoneclient to keystoneauth and now i'm researching about how to proprerly use keystone v3 instead of v2 | 18:05 |
| NikitaKonovalov_ | I've updated slides for the summit talk. finally | 18:05 |
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| egafford | Mostly summit prep for EDP and image gen here too. | 18:06 |
| huichun | Working on work flow engine research, will raise some specs in sahara | 18:06 |
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| vgridnev | huichun, please add this for discussion topics for summit | 18:07 |
| vgridnev | #topic API v2 progress | 18:07 |
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| egafford | I think elmiko's trapped in a giant all-day meeting. | 18:08 |
| vgridnev | ok then | 18:08 |
| vgridnev | #topic Newton summit topics and schedule preparing (vgridnev, NikitaKonovalov) | 18:08 |
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| vgridnev | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-newton-summit | 18:09 |
| huichun | vgridnev: due to cost control I have no chance to attend this summit so I think I will talk with you guys in meetings later | 18:09 |
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| egafford | But the initial v2 module is in master now. :) | 18:09 |
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| vgridnev | so, initial schedule is posted, we need to fill that up | 18:10 |
| vgridnev | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-April/091778.html | 18:11 |
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| vgridnev | I will starting filling that up with my ideas regarding plugins / API / stuff shortly | 18:11 |
| vgridnev | huichun, I think that it doesn't matter. If you will not attend the summit, folks will discuss the topics and will prepare useful feedback | 18:12 |
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| egafford | huichun: Anything that you add for EDP we'll be sure to get in. :) Please note anything you like on the main etherpad, on the EDP etherpad, or to me personally. | 18:13 |
| vgridnev | based on this topics we understand our goals about EDP mechanism / Jobs for the Newton cycle, it's too important for us | 18:13 |
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| vgridnev | egafford do you have wishes regarding the schedule | 18:14 |
| vgridnev | ? | 18:14 |
| vgridnev | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/global-search?t=Sahara%3A | 18:15 |
| huichun | vgridnev: OK | 18:15 |
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| egafford | The schedule looks completely sane to me; I'm prepping the EDP and image gen sessions actively from currently registered blueprints, as well as hopes and dreams carried over from past summits. :) | 18:15 |
| egafford | SergeyLukjanov's notion to make EDP subcomponents more pluggable (job types, data sources, etc.) seems particularly important to me, EDP-wise. | 18:16 |
| vgridnev | egafford, I think that simplifying image building is the most important thing for us, since number of supported versions for plugins are growing from release to release | 18:16 |
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| egafford | It's hard to extend Sahara right now, and extensibility is key. | 18:17 |
| egafford | I agree. | 18:17 |
| egafford | Image building is crazy. I have a plan, and this cycle seems to be the time to do it. | 18:17 |
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| egafford | And agreed that our current and future matrix can't support our current image gen strategy. | 18:18 |
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| huichun | vgridnev: agree ， For example CDH plugin grows from version to version , it"s big effort to maintaine | 18:19 |
| egafford | Creating a unified logic for CLI image packing, image validation, and clean image preparation will help us enormously. | 18:19 |
| egafford | Right now we're maintaining the same logic in many places for each plugin. | 18:20 |
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| vgridnev | and also, we should think about detachment of plugins with sahara. and how it will work with EDP. | 18:20 |
| egafford | Yup. | 18:20 |
| egafford | And to detach plugins from Sahara, we need to pull image-gen into them for it to make sense. | 18:21 |
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| NikitaKonovalov_ | egafford, so it looks like image building will just become a part of the plugin interface, like edp engine | 18:22 |
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| egafford | I think EDP should *mostly* be ok, we just need to be cleaner about expressing job types, data sources, etc. through standardized interfaces and having a cleaner process by which plugins can register which (data sources, job types, etc.) they support. | 18:22 |
| egafford | NikitaKonovalov: That's the notion. | 18:22 |
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| egafford | The dream is that there's an API which allows the user to click a UI button, spawn a nova build env, pack an image, and register it to Glance. | 18:23 |
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| egafford | This was my push to start that: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sahara/+spec/validate-image-spi | 18:23 |
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| egafford | Got the main module in this cycle; hoped to get some recipes in, but then I lost about half the cycle to illness. This cycle, though. :) | 18:23 |
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| egafford | A number of other as-a-service components of OpenStack are wrestling very actively with image generation problems, so if we can solve this problem well, we might be doing OpenStack as a whole a big favor. | 18:25 |
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| * egafford is done ranting about image gen for now, unless others have things they'd like to say about it. ;) | 18:26 | |
| vgridnev | ok, seems that we will finalise the schedule at the next meeting, I will post additional mail to ML about feedback regarding the current one. | 18:28 |
| egafford | +1. Seems to me like the session layout itself is perfect, and fits our concerns well. | 18:29 |
| vgridnev | is there something additional that we should discuss? | 18:29 |
| vgridnev | #topic Open discussion | 18:29 |
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| tosky | on sahara-tests, I have a proposal | 18:30 |
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| tosky | the dependencies of the repository are not many and we are not definitely using bleeding edge features from, for example, the clients | 18:30 |
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| tosky | so I would propose to disable the automatic sync from global requirements, | 18:31 |
| tosky | so that we can more easily allow sahara-tests to run on all supported branches with the requirements for those branches | 18:31 |
| vgridnev | tosky, how tempest manages requirements updates? | 18:32 |
| tosky | there are already few repositories which disabled the automatic sync of global requirements (and they are managing them directly), like aodh and gnocchi | 18:32 |
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| tosky | vgridnev: tempest bumps requirements and the main developers thinks it should be used for git | 18:33 |
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| tosky | but this makes the file of packages more complicated, and I personally disagree with that specific decision | 18:33 |
| tosky | for example, in RDO people are trying to keep tempest (and soon sahara-tests) in sync with latest versions also for the stable branches, so if the dependencies are bumped, there is some work to do to patch them/fix them for the older versions | 18:34 |
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| vgridnev | I fully ok with disabling requirements updates, actually. The only thing, I think that we should review our requirements before each release in such case | 18:35 |
| tosky | sure | 18:35 |
| tosky | just in case they don't conflict | 18:35 |
| tosky | I agree | 18:35 |
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| vgridnev | Uh, also. I wanted to say that we should bring more attention to adding release notes | 18:36 |
| NikitaKonovalov_ | what about new client releases. Those are supposed to be backward compatible. So there should be no issues in using latest versions. | 18:36 |
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| vgridnev | I will create some rules regarding that, and will post that to our docs, and to ML | 18:37 |
| egafford | vgridnev: Is there a document in devref? | 18:37 |
| egafford | vgridnev: Heh; +1. | 18:37 |
| NikitaKonovalov_ | I dont say we need to bump them every now and then, but it would be great to have latest clients update at leas once in a release | 18:37 |
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| vgridnev | actually our release notes for Mitaka are sad | 18:37 |
| vgridnev | #link http://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/sahara/mitaka.html | 18:37 |
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| tosky | NikitaKonovalov_: but this is only about the required dependencies for sahara-tests; of course, when you build your stack of packages for Newton, you will have the latest client | 18:38 |
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| tosky | NikitaKonovalov_: and the gate for Newton will test with lastest client, while the gates for Mitaka and Liberty will test with the respective older versions of the clients | 18:38 |
| tosky | nothing more :) | 18:38 |
| NikitaKonovalov_ | tosky: ok, then I see no more issues there | 18:39 |
| egafford | vgridnev: Yeah, if we can get a doc up, we can make sure all the cores know not to +A anything (that meets the criteria) that doesn't have release notes. | 18:39 |
| egafford | Really, not to +2 such things either. | 18:39 |
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| tosky | every feature and relevant bug, a release note | 18:40 |
| tosky | I would say: no release note for regression in non-released version (so that the issue will never be visible to people using stable versions) | 18:41 |
| egafford | Sure. If we want any criteria for the format and structure of release notes, though, we should document that so we can check it. | 18:41 |
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| tosky | reno has already a good documentation | 18:42 |
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| tosky | if you create a new release notes, a template is populated | 18:42 |
| egafford | tosky: Ok, fair. | 18:42 |
| tosky | release note* | 18:42 |
| vgridnev | is there anything additional that we should discuss? | 18:45 |
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| vgridnev | ok, seems that can finish the meeting | 18:47 |
| vgridnev | thanks, folks! | 18:47 |
| egafford | o/ | 18:47 |
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| vgridnev | #endmeeting | 18:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 14 18:47:37 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-04-14-18.00.html | 18:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-04-14-18.00.txt | 18:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-04-14-18.00.log.html | 18:47 |
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