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| cdent | #startmeeting nova-scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 11 14:00:17 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cdent. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 14:00 |
| cdent | who is here to have a fun and exciting nova scheduler team meeting? | 14:00 |
| mriedem | o/ | 14:00 |
| mlavalle | me | 14:00 |
| cdent | \o/ | 14:00 |
| cdent | bauzas, jaypipes, dansmith about? | 14:01 |
| cdent | There's nothing specific on the agenda this week. | 14:01 |
| bauzas | \o | 14:01 |
| Yingxin | o/ | 14:01 |
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| tonytan4ever | o/ | 14:01 |
| jaypipes | o..../ | 14:01 |
| cdent | mriedem: I assume we are still in pre-summit new-spec freeze? | 14:01 |
| mriedem | yes | 14:02 |
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| jaypipes | mlavalle, ajo: did you see my response to ajo this morning on scheduer and RT stuff for NIC_BW_KB? | 14:02 |
| mlavalle | jaypipes: not yet. I just connected. Will take a look soon | 14:02 |
| * edleafe is here for a little while | 14:02 | |
| _gryf | o/ | 14:03 |
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| cdent | What scheduler related specs are currently in play? compute node migration. what else? | 14:03 |
| sarafraj | o/ | 14:03 |
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| jaypipes | cdent: that's it, AFAIK. pre-summit thats all that is accepted. | 14:03 |
| cdent | that's my sense of things too | 14:04 |
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| cdent | mriedem still has a few questions on dansmith's migration patch, but thats's almost there | 14:04 |
| bauzas | cdent: I'm also working on check-destinations | 14:04 |
| cdent | link? | 14:04 |
| bauzas | which has more side effects than I originally thoguht | 14:04 |
| edleafe | are there any that can be reviewed so that they get approved asap post-summit? | 14:04 |
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| bauzas | thought, even | 14:04 |
| cdent | #link: compute node migration https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279313/ | 14:05 |
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| bauzas | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/check-destination-on-migrations-newton is reviewable too | 14:06 |
| cdent | edleafe: there is a newton version of generic resource pools: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300176/ | 14:06 |
| cdent | and I think jaypipes restacked all the resource-* stuff for newton, yeah? | 14:06 |
| jaypipes | yes | 14:06 |
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| edleafe | cdent: ok, great. I'd hate to see that stuff linger throughout newton | 14:07 |
| cdent | jaypipes: is there a nice happy little single link for that? | 14:07 |
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| * mlavalle will review jaypipes generic resource pool spec | 14:08 | |
| cdent | mlavalle++ | 14:08 |
| jaypipes | cdent: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/compute-node-inventory-newton | 14:08 |
| jaypipes | cdent: has the dependency graph and links in there. | 14:08 |
| cdent | Any other specs or review that anyone would like to draw attention to? | 14:09 |
| cdent | thanks jaypipes | 14:09 |
| jaypipes | np | 14:09 |
| jaypipes | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/compute-node-inventory-newton | 14:09 |
| cdent | #topic: bugs | 14:10 |
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| cdent | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=scheduler&orderby=-id&start=0 | 14:10 |
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| cdent | doesn't appear to be many new bugs, which is good, but not much shrinkage in number of bugs, which is less good | 14:10 |
| cdent | anything to highlight? | 14:11 |
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| bauzas | a bit of triage | 14:11 |
| bauzas | but nothing really worth commenting it | 14:11 |
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| bauzas | basically, someone expresses frustration about 300+ computes having hard time reading DB | 14:11 |
| ajo | (sorry about the late pong jayg) I saw your response but still had no time to properly process it | 14:11 |
| bauzas | well, | 14:11 |
| bauzas | s/.*/about the scheduler having hard time to read eq. of 300+ computes/ | 14:12 |
| mriedem | there are a lot of bugs with 'should' in the title that are over a year old | 14:12 |
| cdent | mriedem: I'm looking forward to monday when we get to stomp on those | 14:12 |
| mriedem | we 'should' start pushing for blueprints on those | 14:12 |
| mriedem | cdent: that doesn't need to wait for monday | 14:12 |
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| cdent | mriedem: it's all about the time slices, hon | 14:13 |
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| bauzas | mriedem: I'm about to fence a lof of those during the bug scrub day | 14:13 |
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| jaypipes | ajo: np! | 14:13 |
| cdent | (by which I mean, I think setting aside a designated time is a great idea) | 14:13 |
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| cdent | anything else on bugs? | 14:14 |
| cdent | okay: moving on | 14:15 |
| cdent | #topic open | 14:15 |
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| cdent | and go | 14:15 |
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| Yingxin | The benchmark tool I mentioned in the paragraph[-1] of | 14:15 |
| Yingxin | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/088344.html is available now. | 14:15 |
| Yingxin | jaypipes: bauzas: ^ | 14:16 |
| Yingxin | It's https://github.com/cyx1231st/nova-scheduler-bench | 14:16 |
| bauzas | coolness | 14:16 |
| Yingxin | The experimantal results for filter scheduler is here: http://paste.openstack.org/show/493438/ | 14:16 |
| cdent | #link Yingxin's benchmark tool https://github.com/cyx1231st/nova-scheduler-bench | 14:16 |
| Yingxin | I'll try to explain them in the summit session Dive into nova scheduler performance - Where is the bottleneck? | 14:16 |
| Yingxin | cdent: thanks :) | 14:17 |
| cdent | any quick summary or highlight to share? | 14:17 |
| bauzas | what I'm a bit surprised is what jaypipes found with SQL queries getting 30% performant than usual python modules | 14:17 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: 38% at 8 threads. | 14:18 |
| bauzas | which means the generator we use is underperformant for iterating over all the filters (and hosts) | 14:18 |
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| jaypipes | bauzas: no, it means that C is faster than Python. | 14:18 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: there were other benchs in the past demonstrating not a clear win for C over Python | 14:18 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: it also means that Python has less to filter | 14:19 |
| bauzas | and the filters are imported once | 14:19 |
| Yingxin | I found that db is a big problem during scheduling | 14:19 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: that ^, I think we all agree | 14:19 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: it's simple. The more compute nodes you have in the deployment, the slower the existing filter scheduler is, because we transfer every compute node in the system on each call to select_destinations(). Filtering that list of compute nodes to only return one that matches the conditions means you don't loop over all the compute nodes. | 14:19 |
| jaypipes | Yingxin: I don't agree at all. | 14:20 |
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| jaypipes | Yingxin: it's only a problem because we are transferring giant collections of compute nodes each time we schedule. | 14:20 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: that's the current bottleneck | 14:20 |
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| jaypipes | bauzas: no it isn't. | 14:20 |
| cdent | Yingxin: is your tool using real vms and message bus? | 14:20 |
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| Yingxin | many requests are stucked before getting sent to the scheduler service | 14:20 |
| dansmith | bauzas: you mean no difference in the performance between python and C mysql drivers, right? I think it's pretty clear that generic C code will be much faster than python, for things like processing the results and doing the actual filtering, right? | 14:21 |
| Yingxin | cdent: using real compute node services and message bus | 14:21 |
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| edleafe | jaypipes: that was the huge gain that I saw using a distributed db, with filters as db queries | 14:21 |
| jaypipes | Yingxin: the DB itself is hardly breaking a sweat in all my benchmarks (real and the placement-bench stuff). | 14:21 |
| jaypipes | it's the way we *use* the DB that is suboptimal. | 14:21 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: not having to constantly pull the state of the nodes was a huge win | 14:21 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: well, the whole purpose of CachingScheduler is to reduce the number of DB calls we made | 14:21 |
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| bauzas | in order to pass the bar | 14:21 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: and CachingScheduler substitutes a cache invalidation and race condition problem for reduced set of DB calls instead of correcting the root of the problem, which is poor *use* of the DB. | 14:22 |
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| jaypipes | we use the DB to store stuff but don't use it to filter things which is what it's purpose is... | 14:22 |
| bauzas | dansmith: sure, I'm not clear, what I'm trying to explain is that in the workflow, it was identified in the past that the filtering part of the scheduler was not a performance problem compared to the DB calls we made by multiple orders of magnitude | 14:23 |
| Yingxin | caching schedulers has a great performance improvement in my experiments using the real openstack deployment | 14:23 |
| cdent | bauzas: because those db calls are bad, that's the point jaypipes is trying to make | 14:23 |
| jaypipes | correct. | 14:23 |
| cdent | if we store data well, and then query it will, we have huge gains | 14:23 |
| dansmith | bauzas: right but the reason those are expensive is because of how much we have to pull back into python land right? | 14:23 |
| bauzas | cdent: sure, and I agree with the approach | 14:23 |
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| jaypipes | dansmith: correct. | 14:23 |
| dansmith | bauzas: the calls we will be making will be massively more efficient where the old ones were not | 14:23 |
| bauzas | dansmith: yeah, that's the #1 improvement axe | 14:23 |
| bauzas | dansmith: hence my support on the series | 14:23 |
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| jaypipes | dansmith: and, more importantly, the greater the number of compute nodes, the less our current approach scales. | 14:24 |
| dansmith | okay, sorry if I'm stating the obvious :) | 14:24 |
| dansmith | yeah | 14:24 |
| bauzas | but like I said, I never estimated the filtering part of that as requiring such modification | 14:24 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: as I mentioned this morning in my response to ajo, I don't have an issue creating a separate scheduler driver that does things in the DB instead of Python. | 14:24 |
| cdent | semi-related: I had a brain mush last night about nested resource-pools that should allow us to implement celled schedulers and the "super scheduling" that people talk about | 14:25 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: sorry if I'm unclear, I'm just saying I was surprised to see the figures, not that I'm against those :) | 14:25 |
| cdent | need to write it down before it disappears again | 14:25 |
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| cdent | so is this an accurate summary: | 14:26 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: like I said in reviews, I trust you for that, I was just expressing my mindset that I wasn't seeing a clear performance benefit of that | 14:26 |
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| cdent | the way we use the db now is costly | 14:26 |
| bauzas | until your figures, which makes me very torn | 14:26 |
| cdent | the way we plan to use the db is better | 14:26 |
| cdent | EOF | 14:26 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: I will modify the resource-providers-scheduler-db-filters blueprint to have it create a new scheduler driver instead of modfy the existing ones. | 14:27 |
| bauzas | okay | 14:27 |
| Yingxin | jaypipes: I'm eager to test resource-provider scheduler using my benchmarking tool once it's available | 14:27 |
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| Yingxin | That would be more fair than the placement-bench | 14:28 |
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| mriedem | so what are the goals for this week? | 14:29 |
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| mriedem | 1. https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/compute-node-inventory-newton+status:open merging | 14:29 |
| dansmith | mriedem: 1. get you to stop -1ing my patch, 2. merge my patch, 3. don't care about the rest | 14:29 |
| dansmith | :P | 14:29 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: k, 279313 reviewed. nice work. | 14:29 |
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| mriedem | what else is needed in the compute-node-inventory-newton bp? pci devices and something else needs migrating right? | 14:30 |
| jaypipes | Yingxin: did you see my review of your proposed scheduler functional testing? | 14:30 |
| Yingxin | jaypipes: yes | 14:30 |
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| mriedem | still need to migrate pci devices and numa topologies | 14:31 |
| mriedem | dansmith: are you working on that next or is someone else doing that? | 14:31 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: the PCI devices stuff isn't changing for compute-node-inventory right now. I need to resubmit the pci-generate-stats blueprint for Newton after feedback from ndipanov | 14:31 |
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| _gryf | speaking of pci… | 14:31 |
| _gryf | I've posted the mail on ML regarding FPGA (as requested on previous meeting), which have quite a response [http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-April/091411.html] | 14:31 |
| mriedem | can we finish this one thought before moving on please? | 14:31 |
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| _gryf | k | 14:32 |
| mriedem | http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/newton/approved/compute-node-inventory-newton.html | 14:32 |
| mriedem | what is left? | 14:32 |
| dansmith | jaypipes: we were looking for your feedback on L373 on that patch | 14:32 |
| mriedem | pci devices is deferred to another bp | 14:32 |
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| mriedem | cdent: btw, on http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/newton/approved/compute-node-inventory-newton.html it could use an update since "Grab the resource class identifier for CPU from the resource_classes table" isn't what we do, we use the enums | 14:33 |
| Yingxin | jaypipes: I think refactor servicegroup functional tests would be a better start. | 14:33 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: you are correct there. I had nothing to add, sorry :( | 14:33 |
| dansmith | jaypipes: okay, just making sure, thanks | 14:34 |
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| mriedem | jaypipes: should the spec for compute-node-inventory-newton be updated to say that pci device migration will happen elsewhere? | 14:34 |
| mriedem | or it's TBD at this point? | 14:34 |
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| jaypipes | mriedem: TBD at this point. | 14:35 |
| mriedem | ok | 14:35 |
| mriedem | how about numa topologies? | 14:35 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: PCI devices and NUMA topology placement will remain handled by Python-side filtering for the foreseeable future. | 14:35 |
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| jaypipes | mriedem: and the access to those resources (via ComputeNode object) also remain unchanged. | 14:35 |
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| bauzas | yeah | 14:36 |
| bauzas | we could possibly improve how we work with NUMA resources | 14:36 |
| mriedem | so once https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279313/ is merged is compute-node-inventory-newton complete? | 14:36 |
| bauzas | because there is a big helper module in nova.hardware that I'd like to remove | 14:36 |
| bauzas | basically doing lots of isinstance() else | 14:36 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: yes, though I see a dependent patch for 279313 in Gertty and Gerrit. | 14:38 |
| bauzas | FWIW, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279313/ is planned to be reviewed today | 14:39 |
| mriedem | bauzas: i'm +2 on it once the test i asked for is added | 14:40 |
| mriedem | i think dan is just waiting for this meeting to be done | 14:40 |
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| mriedem | ok, so if ram/cpu/disk migration completes that spec, it seems like http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/newton/approved/compute-node-inventory-newton.html should be amended | 14:40 |
| bauzas | mriedem: okay, good to know, I already reviewed that patch without voting it yet, but I'm almost happy with it | 14:40 |
| bauzas | just wanted to make sure everything is okay before pushing the red button | 14:41 |
| mriedem | but i don't want that to make waves if we don't really know yet | 14:41 |
| mriedem | bauzas: i put my -1 on it to be safe | 14:41 |
| bauzas | I just saw | 14:41 |
| mriedem | and because dansmith told me to stop -1ing his changes :) | 14:41 |
| bauzas | couldn't we ask a i² button ? | 14:42 |
| dansmith | mriedem: jaypipes I'm pushing up a rev with those tweaks now | 14:42 |
| dansmith | bauzas: niiiice | 14:42 |
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| mriedem | alright, well let's just move on, i'll just follow up on spec amendments once the code is merged and we talk about completing the bp | 14:43 |
| cdent | anybody have any other open topics _not_ related to resource providers? _gryf ? | 14:43 |
| _gryf | cdent, :) | 14:44 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: coolio. | 14:44 |
| _gryf | cdent, just wanted to point out the thread. | 14:44 |
| bauzas | cdent: like I said, check-destination-on-migrations | 14:45 |
| bauzas | _gryf: have you seen my proposal for a performance VMs discussion at the summit? | 14:45 |
| _gryf | bauzas, yes, saw that | 14:45 |
| bauzas | not totally sold on the idea, just want to stop people working in silos | 14:45 |
| _gryf | does it means, I can remove entry from unconference section? | 14:46 |
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| bauzas | _gryf: let's discuss that maybe out of that meeting | 14:46 |
| mriedem | _gryf: we haven't decided what the design summit sessions are going to be yet | 14:46 |
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| mriedem | so leave it | 14:46 |
| bauzas | ++ | 14:46 |
| _gryf | mriedem, bauzas, ok | 14:46 |
| mlavalle | mriedem: does that mean that the time and date for the Neutron / Nova joint session in Austin haven't firmed up? | 14:47 |
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| mriedem | mlavalle: i think that one on wed is pretty firm | 14:47 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: wallaby'd | 14:47 |
| mlavalle | mriedem: so we can feel confident that routed networks will be discussed? | 14:48 |
| mriedem | jaypipes: bauzas: don't forget https://review.openstack.org/#/c/303531/ | 14:48 |
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| mriedem | mlavalle: yes, it's the 3rd session on wed | 14:48 |
| mriedem | right after the 2 scheduler sessions | 14:48 |
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| mlavalle | mriedem: yaay! | 14:48 |
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| mriedem | mlavalle: please talk to armax and see if there are going to be a bunch of other things that neutron wants to cover in that nova/neutron session, because it might get too full | 14:49 |
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| mriedem | this is our summit session etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-summit-ideas | 14:49 |
| mlavalle | mriedem: will take that action item and report back to you | 14:49 |
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| cdent | anything else from anyone? | 14:51 |
| dansmith | so, | 14:51 |
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| dansmith | sorry I've been distracted in another channel | 14:51 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: Wallaby'd that one too. | 14:51 |
| dansmith | but we're good on the inventory migration patch, it looks like | 14:51 |
| mriedem | yes, but i'm unclear on the rest of the spec | 14:52 |
| dansmith | are we going to open up the next one (allocations) or wait until summit? I haven't tracked that spec | 14:52 |
| mriedem | but we can talk about that later | 14:52 |
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| mriedem | i don't have an answer re: the allocations spec right now, would have to look into it | 14:53 |
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| dansmith | okay | 14:53 |
| mriedem | we have lots of other stuff that could be worked on before the summit, like the cells v2 build request and cell0 stuff | 14:53 |
| dansmith | so I also need to remove the aggregate online migration thing | 14:53 |
| dansmith | yep | 14:53 |
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| cdent | I think we can use that as our signal to call it, unless someone has something for the last 5 minutes? | 14:54 |
| dansmith | just one more thing... | 14:55 |
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| cdent | hehe | 14:55 |
| cdent | #stopmeeting | 14:55 |
| dansmith | #endmeeting | 14:55 |
| cdent | #endmeeting | 14:55 |
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| cdent | foo | 14:55 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 11 14:55:39 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-04-11-14.00.html | 14:55 |
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| cdent | thanks everybody | 14:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-04-11-14.00.txt | 14:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-04-11-14.00.log.html | 14:55 |
| _gryf | thanks | 14:55 |
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| ihrachys | we will wait another minute for folks to join | 15:00 |
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| ihrachys | ok let's start :) | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 11 15:01:45 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | hi everyone! | 15:01 |
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| sayalilunkad | hello | 15:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades' | 15:01 |
| saisriki | hi | 15:01 |
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| electrocucaracha | hey there | 15:01 |
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| jlibosva | hi | 15:02 |
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| pmath | mornin | 15:02 |
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| ihrachys | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-Upgrades-Subteam Agenda | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | hi pmath! hi everyone. | 15:02 |
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| ihrachys | let's get to the matter | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | #topic Announcements | 15:02 |
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| rossella_s1 | Hi | 15:02 |
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| korzen | hello | 15:02 |
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| tonytan4ever | morning | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | as you probably know, Mitaka was released this week. but Newton was open for a while already. so nothing changes for us really. | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | #topic Summit planning | 15:03 |
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| ihrachys | as you probably know, there will be a bunch of design summit sessions for neutron | 15:03 |
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| ihrachys | the etherpad where we collect ideas: | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-neutron-summit-ideas | 15:04 |
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| ihrachys | note that the number of sessions is limited, so we won't have a huge slot where we could raise upgrade matters | 15:04 |
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| korzen | do we know if upgrades was accepted? | 15:04 |
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| ihrachys | that said, there will be a session on 'neutron architecture' | 15:05 |
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| ihrachys | which will be led by rossella_s1 and yours truly | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | note that a slot is 40 mins | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | I guess we will discuss some upgrade matters during that session | 15:06 |
| korzen | ihrachys is there a schedule already? | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | the etherpad for the session: | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-neutron-future-neutron-architecture | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | korzen: yes, a sec, I will post a link | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/global-search?t=Neutron%3A | 15:07 |
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| ihrachys | the session in question is on Wed starting at 5:20 | 15:07 |
| korzen | Future of * is main topic I see | 15:08 |
| korzen | ;) | 15:08 |
| rossella_s | :D | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s1 and I will work on the agenda of the session in next days. | 15:08 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, I have already a first draft on the etherpad | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | it's all about future! stadium, robots, time machine, Skynet, all taht | 15:09 |
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| ihrachys | rossella_s: cool! I will take a look till tomorrow | 15:09 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, thanks, I've just gathered the topics suggested on the general etherpad that could fit the neutron architecture umbrella | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | for others, I will also note that korzen, rossella_s and I prepare a talk for the summit on upgrades that will take place on Mon: | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/7536?goback=1 | 15:10 |
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| ihrachys | ok, let's move on to current affairs. | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | #topic Partial Multinode Grenade | 15:10 |
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| ihrachys | I don't think there was a huge progress on that one, we are mostly on hold while gate and stadium issues are in limbo | 15:11 |
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| ihrachys | but, things to note are: | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | 1. armax has a patch to add rolling tag to neutron: https://review.openstack.org/286817 | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | it was WIP for a while, but now back to life, and I expect the discussion on the summit around what stadium and the future of *aas is to influence the patch | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | to recollect, the patch was blocked while it's not clear whether work is needed in *aas repos before claiming a tag for the whole neutron project | 15:13 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, thanks for the nice summary | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | another relevant patch is: | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/299843 | 15:13 |
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| ihrachys | ^ that one is intended to make the job we have voting | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | ok, that's all I have for the job | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | #topic Object implementation | 15:15 |
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| ihrachys | for objects, there was some progress made | 15:15 |
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| ihrachys | specifically, jlibosva got to completion the standard attributes patches: https://review.openstack.org/292829 | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | it's now merged | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | so in theory we have no blockers to adopt subnetpool in the code | 15:15 |
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| electrocucaracha | \o/ | 15:16 |
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| korzen | I have rebased the subnet OVO patch, and consider it ready for review, please do: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/264273/ | 15:16 |
| rossella_s | yay! | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | need to respin https://review.openstack.org/300056 for that | 15:16 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: I hear you. I haven't checked those patches since they are probably huge :) | 15:17 |
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| ihrachys | but I should stop slacking | 15:17 |
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| ihrachys | also, we are currently landing the patch that integrates dhcp extra opt object: | 15:18 |
| korzen | ihrachys I have split them if the one is too big | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/285397 | 15:18 |
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| ihrachys | that will be the first end-to-end integration of an object into existing db code ;) | 15:18 |
| sayalilunkad | korzen: your patch still shows conflict | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | sayalilunkad: that is probably because of std attr patch just landed | 15:18 |
| sayalilunkad | ihrachys: ah ok | 15:18 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, great | 15:18 |
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| ihrachys | so overall, the progress happens | 15:19 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, I was to slow reviewing the extra dhcp opt patch | 15:19 |
| ihrachys | thanks a lot everyone working on all those patches, it's great stuff :) | 15:19 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: amotoki got to help :) | 15:19 |
| amotoki | hi | 15:19 |
| rossella_s | thanks amotoki ! | 15:19 |
| ski2 | ihrachys: any additional objects we can work on, that aren't taken or haven't been worked on? | 15:19 |
| ihrachys | amotoki: hi. thanks for +A the extra dhcp opt patch :) | 15:20 |
| ihrachys | ski2: let me check the list for port object. | 15:20 |
| ihrachys | anyone looking at dns object? | 15:20 |
| ihrachys | line 75 https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/code-sprint-neutron-objects-brno | 15:20 |
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| jlibosva | I can take something | 15:21 |
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| tonytan4ever | Me too | 15:21 |
| tonytan4ever | I want to take an object as well | 15:21 |
| saisriki | I believe korzen is working on the DNS object | 15:21 |
| pmath | same | 15:21 |
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| korzen | I have DNS Name Server OVO | 15:21 |
| korzen | not sure if it is the same as Port DNS extension | 15:22 |
| jlibosva | maybe we can mark with name objects that are WIP | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva: can you maybe play with the WIP I have for subnetpool integration? it should require just standard attr integration and I believe you are in good position to carry that | 15:22 |
| jlibosva | on that etherpad | 15:22 |
| jlibosva | ihrachys: ack | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | wow so many volunteers! :) | 15:22 |
| korzen | router is free | 15:22 |
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| rossella_s | amazing | 15:22 |
| korzen | fip is free | 15:22 |
| amotoki | btw, I noticed too many reviews are linked to a single bug and i see a lot of assignee changes :-( | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | it looks like we should indeed start with new resources | 15:23 |
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| ihrachys | amotoki: yeah. but having a bug per patch would also not scale | 15:23 |
| amotoki | isn't it better to have a blueprint to gather the effort? | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | korzen: rossella_s: what about network object? | 15:23 |
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| rossella_s | korzen, is working on it I think | 15:23 |
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| korzen | ihrachys I'm working on it | 15:23 |
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| ihrachys | amotoki: initially we were told we don't need bp and RFE is enough. but we can discuss it with armax to switch to bp. I will do it | 15:24 |
| electrocucaracha | I noticed that it has subnet dependenci | 15:24 |
| electrocucaracha | dependency* | 15:24 |
| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to talk to armax about bp for ovo work | 15:24 |
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| korzen | electrocucaracha, yes, the network is dependent on subnet and port | 15:24 |
| amotoki | ihrachys: thanks. I believe it is the case where a blueprint fits :) | 15:24 |
| ihrachys | tonytan4ever: pmath: ski2: if you can care the burden, it would be great to start biting router object starting from leaves | 15:25 |
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| ihrachys | that's line 97+ https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/code-sprint-neutron-objects-brno | 15:25 |
| tonytan4ever | Okay | 15:25 |
| ski2 | ihrachys: sounds like a plan! | 15:25 |
| pmath | okay | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | are you all in sync, or I need to split it more for you? | 15:25 |
| tonytan4ever | How about I start with router0 object ? | 15:25 |
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| ihrachys | tonytan4ever: you can start with router. but I think first you will need to tackle the leaves (line 98+) before you are able to cover the whole router object. | 15:26 |
| ski2 | tonytan4ever: we'll take that offline | 15:26 |
| ihrachys | tonytan4ever: see how we started for port - from extensions to the core resources | 15:26 |
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| tonytan4ever | I see. | 15:26 |
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| tonytan4ever | ski2: Cool | 15:26 |
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| ihrachys | ski2: pmath: are you from the same team? or you want me to help you sync? | 15:27 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, talking about port...I'd like to get that in this week | 15:27 |
| pmath | yes | 15:27 |
| pmath | we'll sync up | 15:27 |
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| ihrachys | rossella_s: wow. I did not expect it's in that great shape to consider it! | 15:27 |
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| ihrachys | pmath: thanks! | 15:28 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, :D , let's be ambitious...it still needs some respin but I want to focus on getting it done this week | 15:28 |
| ski2 | ihrachys: yeah we are all on same team, osic development rackspace/intel partnership for openstack | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: ok I will try not to drag it. :) | 15:28 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, no worries, I will bother you when needed | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | ski2: great. thanks for joining, really appreciate. | 15:29 |
| electrocucaracha | oisc -> tonytan4ever, pmath, ski2, saisriki and me | 15:29 |
| electrocucaracha | s/oisc/osic | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | great! | 15:30 |
| amotoki | what's osic? | 15:30 |
| rossella_s | thanks for joining! don't forget to keep us (the bigger team) involved :) | 15:30 |
| electrocucaracha | OpenStack Innovation Center | 15:30 |
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| amotoki | electrocucaracha: got it | 15:30 |
| amotoki | there are many abbrev in openstack world :) | 15:31 |
| ihrachys | #topic Other patches | 15:31 |
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| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: Address Scope and Agent OVO seem to be leaves | 15:31 |
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| ihrachys | one thing to note for 'other' stuff is that alembic testing framework landed recently in the tree. so we can now add functional tests for alembic specifically. | 15:32 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, wow | 15:32 |
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| korzen | I need to drop, bye | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | korzen: o/ | 15:33 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, that's also a nice task to start...I mean I'd avoid to port more objects if we can write tests | 15:33 |
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| ihrachys | ok, that's the patch: | 15:33 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124946/ | 15:33 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: what do you mean? | 15:34 |
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| ski2 | there were two patches that might fit in the other, leaf objects: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297887/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297821/ | 15:34 |
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| ski2 | ready for review | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | ski2: ack. we'll get to objects on review | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: ? | 15:35 |
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| ski2 | ihrachys: k | 15:35 |
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| amotoki | rossella_s: same question too as ihar | 15:35 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, I mean for people who wants to start working on the ovo stuff, some task like writing a test is also nice. I don't want to start porting all possible objects | 15:36 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, amotoki does it make sense? | 15:36 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: I am not sure I follow. why do you want to avoid porting everything to objects? | 15:36 |
| amotoki | rossella_s: what kind of tests in your mind? | 15:37 |
| amotoki | I thought our functional and dsvm testing cover most. | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | I was talking more about this kinds of tests: | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294183/9/neutron/tests/functional/db/test_migrations.py | 15:37 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, I don't want to avoid that...that should be the end goal. I just want to avoid that we start working on some other object without finishing what we currently have in progress...or without adding enough tests | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | where you populate db with data, then execute alembic on the data | 15:38 |
| rossella_s | so if we have more people willing to work on this, I'd also put some test related tasks, not only new objects, I can take care of adding a list | 15:38 |
| rossella_s | I am just afraid we end up with lots of object in the tree that are not fully integrated. | 15:38 |
| electrocucaracha | +1 | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: I agree we should probably consolidate efforts, so let's stop at routers and not take more resources until we integrate existing bits for ports | 15:38 |
| rossella_s | porting an object is kind of easy now but integrating is going to be painful | 15:39 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, +1 | 15:39 |
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| ihrachys | rossella_s: would a list of objects to pending integration help? | 15:39 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, yes and I will also try to add missing test...the functional one for alembic is a good candidate for example | 15:40 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: ok. testing for alembic is a worthy effort, it's just a bit parallel to ovo work. but I get your point, we may pursue other topics apart from ovo while we work on integration. | 15:41 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, right...tasks that will make us find bugs that might cause us pain in the future | 15:41 |
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| ihrachys | ok, so back to the testing framework for alembic. it allows to add validation for new alembic scripts. | 15:42 |
| amotoki | agree to some extent as we need to cover combos of db migration versions and object versions. | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | since the framework is in the tree, I was thinking that maybe we should be aggressive at requiring tests for new scripts | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | so I posted a patch to do just that | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/302813/ | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | HenryG told me we'll need some tests in tree before considering the enforcement. which I agree. | 15:43 |
| ihrachys | anyhow, I was thinking that unless we enforce, people will skip the framework. so something to consider in the future. | 15:43 |
| ihrachys | ok any more patches to discuss? | 15:44 |
| amotoki | agree | 15:44 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 15:45 |
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| ihrachys | anyone have anything apart from patches to discuss? | 15:45 |
| ihrachys | do we want small upgrades meetup on Fri during the summit? | 15:46 |
| ihrachys | just to gather and talk and plan. I think it could be worth to have a quick sync IRL. | 15:46 |
| electrocucaracha | I can't, I will be only mon-wed | 15:46 |
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| amotoki | at least I think we need some wrap-up session/gathering of the main session. | 15:47 |
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| ihrachys | amotoki: main session? what do you refer? | 15:47 |
| ihrachys | oh you mean the architecture one? | 15:47 |
| amotoki | ihrachys: i am talking about the arch one | 15:47 |
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| ihrachys | I see. yeah, we could do it on Fri. I think we won't have time for that on Wed, sadly. | 15:48 |
| ihrachys | so let's just think about it, and we'll see where it gets us. :) | 15:48 |
| ihrachys | ok I will end the meeting. thanks everyone for joining! | 15:49 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 15:49 |
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| ihrachys | o/ | 15:49 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 11 15:49:27 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:49 |
| rossella_s | thanks | 15:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-04-11-15.01.html | 15:49 |
| jlibosva | o/ | 15:49 |
| sayalilunkad | bye | 15:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-04-11-15.01.txt | 15:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-04-11-15.01.log.html | 15:49 |
| tonytan4ever | o/ | 15:49 |
| saisriki | thanks | 15:49 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, +1 for the meetup! sorry for the delay | 15:49 |
| amotoki | thanks | 15:50 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 11 16:00:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja_at_home. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
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| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for GheRivero, amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dims, dougwig, e0ne, flaper87, garyk, haypo | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for ihrachyshka, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz, lifeless, lintan, ozamiatin, redrobot, rpodolyaka, spamaps | 16:00 |
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| rpodolyaka | o/ | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for sergmelikyan, sreshetnyak, sileht, sreshetnyak, stevemar, therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek, gcb, Nakato | 16:00 |
| johnsom_ | o. | 16:00 |
| ozamiatin | o/ | 16:00 |
| gcb | o/ | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | hi! | 16:00 |
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| bknudson | hi | 16:00 |
| ski2 | hi | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | hi hi | 16:00 |
| ozamiatin | tox | 16:00 |
| jd__ | pong | 16:01 |
| ozamiatin | sorry :) | 16:01 |
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| bknudson | ls | 16:01 |
| amotoki | o/ | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | rm -rf / | 16:01 |
| dims | o/ | 16:01 |
| haypo | harlowja_at_home: wrong window | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:01 |
| bknudson | harlowja_at_home: you got lucky there! | 16:01 |
| * gcb spend most of time on production development and customer support, hope have more time on community :-) | 16:01 | |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:01 |
| gcb | lol | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:02 |
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| bknudson | none for keystone that I know of. | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | i'm guessing not many red flags, but just incase | 16:02 |
| jecarey | o/ | 16:02 |
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| johnsom | Nothing to report here | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, seems like not to many, everyone getting the release out and doing summit planning and such | 16:02 |
| redrobot | o/ | 16:03 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Action items from last meeting | 16:03 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-04-04-16.00.html | 16:03 |
| sileht | hi | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | sileht, hi! | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | 'rbradfor to start list for other projects using oslo libraries' | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, yt | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | a etherpad was started for that one | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | i don't have the link handy, but rbradfor might | 16:05 |
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| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | Sorry I am late. | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | jungleboyj, np, any issues to report for cinder | 16:05 |
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| * harlowja_at_home was just discussing an etherpad link that i can't find, ha | 16:05 | |
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| jungleboyj | harlowja_at_home: No issues to report. All quiet on the home front. | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | jungleboyj, thx | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | and just in time, found the link | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-project-usage | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | so the plan for that one is underway, but summary in that etherpad on the goal | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | if anyone is interested i helping get some of that info, let me or rbradfor know | 16:08 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Released all the things | 16:09 |
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| harlowja_at_home | so just want to say thx to everyone for there mitaka work | 16:09 |
| dims | +10000 | 16:09 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link http://releases.openstack.org/mitaka/ | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | harlowja_at_home: So, that is just for projects that are not part of OpenStack. | 16:09 |
| harlowja_at_home | jungleboyj, ya, because such projects exist and i know of a few of them, but i think we'd like to know more :) | 16:09 |
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| jungleboyj | harlowja_at_home: Ok, sounds good. | 16:10 |
| johnsom | Thanks for your work harlowja_at_home | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | no thx u | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | :-P | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | johnsom: ++ | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-announce/2016-April/001089.html | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | another release bites the dust :-P | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | so ya, a few minutes of congrats to all the oslo team for helping make that happen | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | a | 16:10 |
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| harlowja_at_home | *and other teams and the larger community | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | pats people on back | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:11 |
| * harlowja_at_home just noticed that release email says 'Doug Doug' | 16:11 | |
| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, who is doug doug | 16:12 |
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| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:12 |
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| gcb | :-) | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Newton Design Summit | 16:12 |
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| harlowja_at_home | so onward to the next summit! | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-oslo-summit-planning | 16:13 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #link http://stickymoose.com/ZjkhpiBZ0mmGrug | 16:13 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ^ is a survey of the possible sessions | 16:13 |
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| harlowja_at_home | some of those overlap with the cross-project sessions | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/global-search?t=Cross%20Project%20workshops%3A | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | overall i'm working through the overlap and the voted ones and forming the schedule this week (hopefully done by today/tommorow) | 16:14 |
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| harlowja_at_home | sileht, 'Updates on oslo.messaging drivers - pika, zmq, kombu, ...' that will def be a session, seems like a useful one | 16:15 |
| bknudson | sometimes you have a cross-project discussion and then take the specific actions to a more focused meeting | 16:15 |
| sileht | harlowja_at_home, yes but infornatly I will not intent to this summit | 16:15 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ya, the ''Backward compatability testing strategies' overlaps with the cross-project one bknudson so am wondering if its worthwhile to have a whole session in oslo for that | 16:15 |
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| harlowja_at_home | sileht, :( | 16:16 |
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| harlowja_at_home | overlaps, as in the topic is the same | 16:16 |
| * amrith sneaks in | 16:16 | |
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| harlowja_at_home | bknudson, i'm not opposed to doing that, just wondering if its the best use of oslo people time ? | 16:16 |
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| harlowja_at_home | anyways, i'll work through this today/tommorow (since its due afaik by the end of the week) | 16:17 |
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| bknudson | might depend on what's decided at the xp meeting. | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | right | 16:18 |
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| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: Reminder, Gerrit will be offline from 20:00 to 21:00 UTC for a server replacement http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-April/091274.html | 16:19 | |
| harlowja_at_home | i'd recommend people to look at the cross-project link, since i think there are quite a few that overlap with oslo (concept and usage wise and the like) | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/9484 | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/9483 | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | and a few others | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | gus, u will be there right? otherwise i might have to do the privsep one :-P | 16:20 |
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| * harlowja_at_home will have to poke gus likely at a better time (afaik he's probably not awake, lol) | 16:21 | |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Stuck reviews and/or specs | 16:21 |
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| harlowja_at_home | any stuck things that need help unsticking? | 16:21 |
| ski2 | have 4 bps against oslo.config #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~brian-stajkowski | 16:21 |
| bknudson | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278513/ | 16:21 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ski2, cool, have u talked to the oslo.config folks about some of those? dhellmann might be a good point (or others in #openstack-oslo) | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | bknudson, cool, i'll look over those soon | 16:23 |
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| ski2 | harlowja_at_home: will do, mainly as told to start here, but i'll check back and work with dhellmann | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | ski2, sounds good :) | 16:23 |
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| bknudson | all of these oslo.config bps look good to me. | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | ski2, ya, such a bp(s) are a good starting point and the descriptions seem like good explanations so thx | 16:24 |
| ski2 | harlowja_at_home: np! | 16:24 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/oslo-specs,n,z | 16:25 |
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| harlowja_at_home | as always if folks have specs there as well, check them out, and/or update them to :) | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | a few that are active (and some that are not) | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | i'll probably start poking some of the folks who have inactive ones soon | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | to see if they are still alive :-P | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | (the folks or the specs, lol) | 16:25 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Open discussion | 16:26 |
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| harlowja_at_home | anything else for folks? | 16:26 |
| * harlowja_at_home was expecting the meeting to be short, due to release, and summit and ... | 16:26 | |
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| harlowja_at_home | going once | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | going twice | 16:27 |
| johnsom | sold | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | :-P | 16:27 |
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| harlowja_at_home | johnsom, u now owe me 5million dollars | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:27 |
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| johnsom | Hahaha | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | alright, and with that closing note thanks for showing up folks | 16:28 |
| johnsom | Bank of monopoly | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | Have a good one. | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | and we'll probably have a short meeting next week also and then summit time | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | and fun fun | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:28 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #endmeeting | 16:28 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 11 16:28:46 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-04-11-16.00.html | 16:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-04-11-16.00.txt | 16:28 |
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| harlowja_at_home | find more folks in #openstack-oslo if needed | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | bb | 16:29 |
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| mfedosin | Courtesy meeting reminder ( #openstack-meeting-alt ): nikhil_k, ativelkov, mfedosin, docaedo, dshakhray, kfox111, kairat, nikhil, sudipto | 17:29 |
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| mfedosin | #startmeeting glare | 17:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 11 17:31:35 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mfedosin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glare)" | 17:31 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glare' | 17:31 |
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| mfedosin | Anybody here? :) | 17:35 |
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| nikhil | hi | 17:35 |
| nikhil | sorry a bit late | 17:35 |
| mfedosin | ah, np | 17:36 |
| nikhil | guess just two of us | 17:36 |
| nikhil | :) | 17:36 |
| mfedosin | yup | 17:36 |
| nikhil | not sure if we want to let some info notes here for people to look back at logs ? | 17:36 |
| mfedosin | we can skip it for today | 17:36 |
| nikhil | yeah | 17:36 |
| mfedosin | I belive next week there will be a big Glare Demo | 17:37 |
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| mfedosin | I just can tell about updates | 17:37 |
| nikhil | #info mfedosin will be talking about artifact tomorrow during the glance pre summit sync | 17:37 |
| mfedosin | 15-15 UTC | 17:38 |
| mfedosin | #topic Updates | 17:38 |
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| mfedosin | we spent last days trying to optimize our code | 17:38 |
| mfedosin | many changes were made in this case | 17:38 |
| mfedosin | then kairat added lots of docstrings and comment for public methods | 17:39 |
| nikhil | that's excellent stuff, we need documentation! | 17:39 |
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| mfedosin | several bugs were fixed as well | 17:39 |
| mfedosin | also we implemented several features | 17:40 |
| mfedosin | (very important features) | 17:40 |
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| mfedosin | first of all - setting custom locations for blobs | 17:40 |
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| mfedosin | like it's done in Glance | 17:40 |
| mfedosin | then we implemented Glare db api, that allows to store custom data structures | 17:41 |
| mfedosin | so now we can implement custom artifact types | 17:41 |
| mfedosin | Darja implemented Glare filters for Image lists | 17:41 |
| mfedosin | plans for this week: test the whole stuff desperately | 17:42 |
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| mfedosin | add tooz support - it's a library for preventing race conditions | 17:43 |
| mfedosin | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/tooz/ | 17:43 |
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| mfedosin | develop versioning | 17:43 |
| mfedosin | and update the spec | 17:44 |
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| mfedosin | that's all :) | 17:44 |
| mfedosin | #endmeeting | 17:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 11 17:44:32 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glare/2016/glare.2016-04-11-17.31.html | 17:44 |
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| nikhil | thanks mfedosin! | 17:44 |
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| catherineD | #startmeeting refstack | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 11 19:00:46 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is catherineD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| andrey-mp | hello | 19:01 |
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| catherineD | andrey-mp: hello | 19:01 |
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| pvaneck | o/ | 19:01 |
| catherineD | pvaneck: hi | 19:01 |
| catherineD | #link meeting agenda and notes, please feel free to add items https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-04-11 | 19:02 |
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| catherineD | andrey-mp: will you be able to attend the first 2 RefStack work sessions at Austin? | 19:04 |
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| andrey-mp | catherineD: yes. | 19:04 |
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| catherineD | great thanks | 19:04 |
| andrey-mp | right now I don't know why I can't ) | 19:05 |
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| catherineD | andrey-mp: you and Alex will not be able to attend the 3rd RefStack session because of conflict with EC2API session | 19:05 |
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| andrey-mp | yes | 19:06 |
| catherineD | #topic RefStack Newton summit discussion topics | 19:06 |
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| catherineD | #link RefStack Austin topic https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-newton-summit | 19:06 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: if you look at the topics in the list for Austin which are the priority for you? | 19:07 |
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| andrey-mp | catherineD: 1, 2, 5 | 19:08 |
| catherineD | ok we will try to put 1, 2, 5 in the first 2 sessions | 19:09 |
| andrey-mp | ok | 19:09 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: please add topics that I missed ... thanks | 19:09 |
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| catherineD | #topic Vendor registation | 19:09 |
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| catherineD | andrey-mp: thank for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/302436/ ... I did not have a chance to look at it yet ... will do that today | 19:10 |
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| pvaneck | yea, will try it out today | 19:11 |
| andrey-mp | catherineD: sure. I finished it only yesterday | 19:11 |
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| catherineD | andrey-mp: thank ... this is a very important patch because we need that for topic 3 "Result data retention and clean up" in the summit | 19:12 |
| andrey-mp | good :) | 19:12 |
| catherineD | I have looked at http://52.49.129.72:8000/#/ | 19:13 |
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| andrey-mp | if this is suitable UI for now - then I can make several reviews (rework header, add vendors UI) | 19:14 |
| catherineD | I am still not clear on whether we need both the catalog and community result tabs | 19:14 |
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| catherineD | also shoukd the community results include test pass/fail status and vendor/product (topic 2 in for summit) | 19:15 |
| andrey-mp | hm. this is related to Alex`s spec | 19:16 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: but anyway, it is very good that we have a sample UI for discussion | 19:16 |
| andrey-mp | i didn't touch guidelines and community results but I had to add some new links | 19:17 |
| catherineD | I was just thinking of how the final UI should look like ... | 19:18 |
| andrey-mp | but I think that website will need link to guidelines and community results too | 19:18 |
| catherineD | but the good thing is we will have face-2-face discussion at the summit which will help a lot | 19:18 |
| andrey-mp | sure | 19:18 |
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| catherineD | also should communitee resilt only include DefCore tests etc ... | 19:19 |
| catherineD | but it is good that we have a sample to start our thought process.. | 19:19 |
| catherineD | moving on | 19:19 |
| catherineD | ? | 19:19 |
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| catherineD | #topic Product registration | 19:19 |
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| andrey-mp | for now... in the future 'defcore guidelines' should be 'guidelines' and community results will contait all results... (as I understand Alex`s spec) | 19:20 |
| andrey-mp | let's move | 19:20 |
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| catherineD | #link we just need Sergey to review for product registration https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292526/ | 19:21 |
| catherineD | I will ping him off line | 19:21 |
| catherineD | #topic Pending reviews | 19:21 |
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| catherineD | #link Test list: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/303251/ | 19:22 |
| catherineD | pvaneck: thanks for submitting the patch | 19:22 |
| pvaneck | i will address andrey's comments on it today | 19:22 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: thank for reviewing | 19:22 |
| pvaneck | and fix the py34 gate for it | 19:22 |
| catherineD | great ... | 19:22 |
| catherineD | I also submit a patch to upgrade Tempest to tag 10.0.0 whch is the official tag for Mitaka | 19:23 |
| catherineD | #link Update default Tempest version used by refstack-client : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301961/ | 19:23 |
| andrey-mp | pvaneck: good work with functional tests - I could implement some tests for vendors REST API | 19:23 |
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| pvaneck | yep i noticed. Long neglected functional tests finally given more attention :) | 19:24 |
| pvaneck | good call adding it the gate | 19:24 |
| catherineD | I think the tempest upgrade patch should be merged after the test list patch ... so that the user can have a mean to list the must pass test files for their tests | 19:24 |
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| pvaneck | yea, a lot of test aliases now | 19:25 |
| catherineD | pvaneck: yup | 19:25 |
| catherineD | that is all the topics we have for today ... | 19:25 |
| catherineD | #topic Open discussion | 19:26 |
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| catherineD | andrey-mp: we have a RefStack speaker session on Monday at 11:15 ... hope you can join | 19:27 |
| andrey-mp | sure | 19:27 |
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| catherineD | I mean Monday April 25 at the summit | 19:27 |
| andrey-mp | we will try ) | 19:27 |
| andrey-mp | in any case - we can discuss anything on the summit after sessions (after 5:00 PM) | 19:27 |
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| pvaneck | andrey-mp: rsvp for the openstack evening event if you havent already | 19:28 |
| catherineD | yea it is always very productive with face-2-face | 19:28 |
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| andrey-mp | pvaneck: thanks, we did it already | 19:28 |
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| catherineD | great this is the first time we will meet Sergey too ... | 19:29 |
| catherineD | after almost 2 years working together .. | 19:29 |
| andrey-mp | thank you. I need to go today. bye! | 19:30 |
| catherineD | ok | 19:30 |
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| catherineD | pvaneck: anything else? | 19:30 |
| pvaneck | good here | 19:30 |
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| catherineD | we wil end early today ... | 19:30 |
| catherineD | thank you all | 19:30 |
| catherineD | #endmeeting | 19:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 11 19:31:02 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-04-11-19.00.html | 19:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-04-11-19.00.txt | 19:31 |
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| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 11 20:00:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
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| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:00 |
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| arunkant | o/ | 20:00 |
| diazjf | o/ | 20:00 |
| edtubill | o/ | 20:00 |
| mp1 | o / | 20:00 |
| mixos | o / | 20:00 |
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| redrobot | As usual the agenda can be found here: | 20:02 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican#Agenda | 20:02 |
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| redrobot | There were no action items last week, so lets jump into the agenda | 20:02 |
| maxabidi | \o | 20:02 |
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| redrobot | #topic Blueprints for Newton | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301310/ | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301997/ | 20:03 |
| diazjf | so I added a couple of blueprints I thought would be useful for the Barbican Newton release | 20:04 |
| diazjf | I wanted everyone to go ahead and take a look | 20:04 |
| diazjf | :) | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | diazjf +1 ... definite need to start looking at blueprints ahead of the Austin summit | 20:04 |
| redrobot | *definitely | 20:04 |
| kfarr | o/ | 20:05 |
| diazjf | redrobot, yeah that way they can be well thought out to discuss during the summit | 20:05 |
| mixos | + 1 yes. much needed one. | 20:05 |
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| alee | o/ | 20:05 |
| kfarr | I review.openstack.org | 20:06 |
| redrobot | well, I was going to post the link to the rest of the active blueprint reviews, but it seems gerrit just went down | 20:06 |
| kfarr | I'm getting a 503 for gerrit, too | 20:06 |
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| redrobot | sad panda | 20:06 |
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| redrobot | aaand that would explain it, hehe | 20:06 |
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| redrobot | diazjf anything else on this topic? | 20:07 |
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| diazjf | redrobot, nope just wanted to throw up the links and we can discuss on the review page once gerrit is back up | 20:07 |
| redrobot | diazjf awesome | 20:08 |
| redrobot | moving on then | 20:08 |
| redrobot | #topic Retired Core Reviewers | 20:08 |
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| redrobot | As per team policy | 20:08 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Barbican/CoreTeam | 20:08 |
| redrobot | I've removed a few Core Reviewers that have moved on from the project | 20:08 |
| redrobot | specifically: | 20:08 |
| redrobot | Chelsea Winfree (chellygel) | 20:09 |
| redrobot | John Vrbanac (jvrbanac) | 20:09 |
| redrobot | and | 20:09 |
| redrobot | Paul Kehrer (reaperhulk) | 20:09 |
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| redrobot | we appreciate all their contributions, and would definitely consider them for Core Reviewer membership in the future if they ever decide to contribute to the project again. | 20:10 |
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| redrobot | any questions/comments? | 20:11 |
| panatl | me | 20:12 |
| panatl | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/303845/ need +2 and +1 for cherry pick | 20:12 |
| panatl | whenever the server is up .. thanks! | 20:13 |
| redrobot | panatl I meant questions/comments for this topic :) | 20:13 |
| panatl | sorry :) | 20:13 |
| redrobot | panatl will take a look after gerrit comes back online | 20:13 |
| panatl | i thought we are done :) | 20:13 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:13 |
| redrobot | #topic Newton Summit | 20:13 |
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| redrobot | The summit is coming up in just a couple of weeks | 20:13 |
| redrobot | I've already scheduled the two fishbowl sessions | 20:13 |
| redrobot | also we have an ethernet pad for the rest of the topics: | 20:14 |
| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-barbican-design-sessions | 20:14 |
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| redrobot | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule#day=2016-04-25 | 20:16 |
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| redrobot | any questions/comments about the summit? | 20:16 |
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| redrobot | ok then moving on | 20:17 |
| redrobot | #topic Open Discussion | 20:17 |
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| redrobot | Any other topics we may want to cover? | 20:17 |
| redrobot | bugs? | 20:17 |
| redrobot | reviews? | 20:17 |
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| mp1 | is it too late to check in this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/291454/ | 20:17 |
| mp1 | it's the one addressing secret quotas "bug" | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | mp1 hard to tell without gerrit ;) | 20:18 |
| mp1 | from almost 1 month ago | 20:18 |
| mp1 | yeah once it's back up of course :) | 20:18 |
| arunkant | redrobot: Can you look into host_href change: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282581/ when gerrit is back. Need to do another rebase today as it has been pending for a while. | 20:19 |
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| redrobot | arunkant will do... I've been slackin on reviews lately :( | 20:22 |
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| mixos | arunkant mp1 will review. | 20:22 |
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| redrobot | anything else? | 20:26 |
| redrobot | if not we can call it a day early | 20:26 |
| panatl | thanks! | 20:26 |
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| redrobot | alright then, thanks for coming everyone! | 20:27 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:27 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 11 20:27:09 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-04-11-20.00.html | 20:27 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-04-11-20.00.txt | 20:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-04-11-20.00.log.html | 20:27 |
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| carolbarrett | #startmeeting Product Working Group | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 11 21:00:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carolbarrett. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 21:00 |
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| kencjohnston | o/ howdy | 21:00 |
| carolbarrett | Hi - Who is here for the Product WG Team meeting? | 21:00 |
| kei | o/ | 21:00 |
| pchadwick | o/ | 21:00 |
| KrishR | o/ | 21:00 |
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| fredli | o/ | 21:00 |
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| carolbarrett | Hi everyone! | 21:01 |
| carolbarrett | You can find the agenda here | 21:01 |
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| pchadwick | Hi Carol and everyone else | 21:01 |
| carolbarrett | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team#April_11.2C_2016_Product_Team_Meeting_Agenda | 21:01 |
| MarkBaker | o/ | 21:01 |
| shamail | Hi everyone | 21:01 |
| MeganR | Hi | 21:01 |
| carolbarrett | Glad to see everyone, we've got some important things to discuss ahead of Austin | 21:02 |
| carolbarrett | Let's get started. | 21:02 |
| carolbarrett | #topic Action Item Review | 21:02 |
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| carolbarrett | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_4_4_2016 | 21:02 |
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| carolbarrett | From last week's prioritization call, there were a couple of follow-on actions for each of the Top 5 User Story owners. | 21:03 |
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| kencjohnston | carolbarrett Just seeing that aciton, sorry I missed it. I'll send an email to the ML today. | 21:03 |
| carolbarrett | The main focus of the actions is getting on track for the Newton design summit | 21:03 |
| carolbarrett | Thanks kencjohnston | 21:03 |
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| pchadwick | So, I talked to my developer that is driving the HA work | 21:04 |
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| pchadwick | The cross-project team did not want to have this as a session. | 21:04 |
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| carolbarrett | #action kencjohnston send out email to PWG ML | 21:04 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: I thought you did send an email? lemme go check | 21:04 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | are we using phone bridge today? | 21:04 |
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| carolbarrett | pchadwick - was there a reason for this? | 21:04 |
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| pchadwick | There are apparently some people that still think OpenStack is just for cattle ;-) | 21:04 |
| carolbarrett | arkady_kanevsky: no bridge today | 21:04 |
| kencjohnston | shamail That must have been another kencjohnston ... | 21:05 |
| pchadwick | So, it did not get enough +1s | 21:05 |
| shamail | Nevermind, you sent it for Fleet Management | 21:05 |
| kencjohnston | an evil one... | 21:05 |
| shamail | It was the same kencjohnston, different story | 21:05 |
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| carolbarrett | pchadwick: Does your team have thoughts on how to advance this in face of that response? | 21:05 |
| pchadwick | They asked me if the PWG could help. | 21:06 |
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| pchadwick | There is still interest in meeting, just not sure if we can do anything formal or if it just has to be ad hoc. | 21:06 |
| shamail | pchadwick: what is the current thought? Is this something we need to work with nova on or is it a new project or something that lives outside of OpenStack and is just “documented” in OpenStack? | 21:06 |
| sgordon | pchadwick, was there any feedback from the cross project folks other than that? | 21:06 |
| pchadwick | None that I saw | 21:06 |
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| sgordon | my confusion around this use case is primarily what it covers that does not already exist | 21:07 |
| pchadwick | sgordon - that was my question as well. There are gaps that still need to be addressed to handle VM failures. | 21:07 |
| sgordon | e.g. i thought there was already a cross project spec along these lines | 21:07 |
| sgordon | and folks in a HA subteam ( #openstack-ha ) bashing out agreement | 21:08 |
| sgordon | from intel, rh, suse, others | 21:08 |
| shamail | I thought they are working more on how to make OpenStack services HA versus instances? | 21:08 |
| sgordon | both | 21:08 |
| shamail | good to know | 21:08 |
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| sgordon | several vendors already have pacemaker-based HA VM approaches in their distros | 21:08 |
| carolbarrett | sgordon: good info, thanks! | 21:08 |
| KrishR | there is an automatic host-evacuation spec | 21:08 |
| sgordon | and were collaborating on making them more openstack-y | 21:08 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | is the ask to convert deployment tools to day2 operation? | 21:09 |
| pchadwick | Yes, and I asked my developer leading our HA VM efforts to look at the user story - hence my comment about gaps. | 21:09 |
| shamail | That is why I asked the question about what our goal is (or where would this live)? It seems like this might be a documentation thing versus an actual code change | 21:09 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | That would make sense since the same tools are used for updtae/upgrade. | 21:09 |
| sgordon | of course now i cant find the link i am looking for ;) | 21:09 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | But it still canot satisfy the requirements of fleet | 21:09 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299531/5/user-stories/proposed/fleet-management.rst | 21:09 |
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| carolbarrett | pchadwick: can you catchup on the cross project spec and the sub team working the issues? | 21:10 |
| shamail | pchadwick, any thoughts on my question or too early to know? | 21:10 |
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| carolbarrett | arkday_kanevsky: we're talking about HA VM now, will get to that one | 21:10 |
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| KrishR | arkady_kanevsky: fleet mgmt addresses diff requirements than HA of VMs | 21:10 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | thanks Carol | 21:10 |
| sgordon | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257809/ might have been what i was thinking of | 21:10 |
| shamail | That would help us decide the next steps on how PWG can help... | 21:10 |
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| pchadwick | shamail - it is a combination of documentation and some hooks that the <I can't remember the project name> is trying to address. | 21:11 |
| pchadwick | NEC was driving that effort | 21:11 |
| KrishR | sgordon: that's the one i was thinking of too | 21:11 |
| shamail | Mistral probably | 21:11 |
| shamail | that looks like the right spec sgordon | 21:11 |
| KrishR | yes, it's pacemaker with Mistral workflows | 21:11 |
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| sgordon | right, and some of the other cases are being handled via e.g. systemd at the distro level | 21:11 |
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| carolbarrett | pchadwick - will you take the action item to investigate the cross-project spec and work being done by the sub team and come back with more info on gaps and docs required? | 21:12 |
| shamail | This leads back to what the next steps for the user story would be… would we still move it forward and then align with the work described in that spec? | 21:12 |
| leong | Some of the requirements of the HA user story seems to be covered in Masakari but not in Mistral approach | 21:12 |
| shamail | sounds like a good action item carolbarrett | 21:12 |
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| pchadwick | Yes - since the developer that I was talking to is the reviewer on the the spec just posted we should be able to figure out if we still need to track. | 21:13 |
| carolbarrett | #action pchadwick Investigate the cross-project spec and work being done by the sub team and come back with more info on gaps and docs required to form action plan for this team | 21:13 |
| leong | I think the User Story still serve as a good place to validate the gap... | 21:13 |
| shamail | IMHO, we should still track but let’s determine if work is needed or if gaps are remaining… | 21:13 |
| leong | pchadwick, please also include those findings in the user story review | 21:14 |
| carolbarrett | OK - can we move to the next user story? Bare Metal Service? | 21:14 |
| pchadwick | leong - right, we have Mistral, Masakari and the stuff that the distros have done with pacemaker-remote or systemd and this needs to be rationalized. | 21:14 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Masakari is KVM only. HA VM is wider. | 21:14 |
| shamail | Thanks for the info pchadwick and sgordon | 21:14 |
| shamail | carolbarrett: +1 | 21:14 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | https://github.com/ntt-sic/masakari | 21:14 |
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| carolbarrett | Leong - Can you give an update on next steps for the Bare Metal Service user story | 21:15 |
| carolbarrett | ? | 21:15 |
| leong | we aim to merge the user story next week.. | 21:15 |
| leong | still reviewing the content with couple of folks | 21:15 |
| kencjohnston | leong - after story merger is the plan to review it with the Ironic team at the summit? | 21:16 |
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| leong | yes.. it is the plan to review the user story with Ironic team at the summit | 21:16 |
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| leong | i have notice our ironic core from intel perspective | 21:16 |
| carolbarrett | +1 | 21:16 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | have we got it on their calendar? | 21:16 |
| kencjohnston | ok cool, I know jroll and team have already started reviewing | 21:16 |
| carolbarrett | excellent | 21:17 |
| shamail | i’ll let deva know too | 21:17 |
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| kei | kencjohnston: Ironic PTL and some cores have already reviewed the user story and gave us their comments. | 21:17 |
| carolbarrett | +1 | 21:17 |
| leong | maybe kencjohnston can help to send the link to Ironic PTL (i assume he works for rax)? | 21:17 |
| shamail | Red Hat I believe? | 21:17 |
| leong | good! | 21:17 |
| kencjohnston | leong already done :) | 21:17 |
| carolbarrett | OK - Let's move to the next User Story - Capacity Management - Shamail | 21:17 |
| leong | thanks kencjohnston ! | 21:18 |
| shamail | No action taken on this one yet but this one doesn’t require a user story to be merged before the summit | 21:18 |
| shamail | The plan we had formed on this one was to identify 2-3 people willing to help draft a whitepaper with various use cases for capacity management/quotas | 21:18 |
| shamail | We will then share that information with the cross-project quota team and start refining the user story based on the contents of the whitepapeer | 21:18 |
| shamail | whitepaper* | 21:19 |
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| carolbarrett | Do you have folks signed up for the whitepapers? | 21:19 |
| shamail | I haven’t sent the email to request people to sign up yet | 21:19 |
| kencjohnston | shamail why the white paper and not just straight to the user story? | 21:19 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Role based access is #5 ahead of capacity management | 21:20 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: We discussed that there might be different ways that people are using quotas so we might need to find a common denominator first and, secondly, we weren’t at a point where most people were willing to commit resources to move this work forward | 21:20 |
| shamail | We decided that at least giving feedback to the cross project team working on it might be a good starting point | 21:20 |
| kencjohnston | shamail ahh, ok. So use the time for more robust definitions? | 21:20 |
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| shamail | kencjohnston: +1 | 21:20 |
| carolbarrett | arkady_kanevsky: in last week's discussion we decided to advance capacity managemnet as there is work underway currently in the community and we want to provide input | 21:21 |
| kencjohnston | by cross project team you mean the nested quotas sub-team? | 21:21 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:21 |
| shamail | carolbarrett: I will send out the email to the ML this week, I think Rocky had shown interest. | 21:21 |
| shamail | yes thats the team kencjohnston | 21:21 |
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| shamail | they are meeting right now | 21:21 |
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| kencjohnston | shamail ok, and sorry because I missed the last meetings | 21:21 |
| carolbarrett | shamail: OK on the email. Do you need the next level of requirements for Austin? | 21:21 |
| shamail | They are working on building the foundation for nested quotas and a standard way of quotas across projects | 21:21 |
| kencjohnston | shamail but the current capacity management story is MUCH more expansive then what the nested quotas team is working on | 21:22 |
| shamail | the stuff we have in the user story is too advanced for what they are focused on atm | 21:22 |
| kencjohnston | shamail ok, got it, thanks. | 21:22 |
| shamail | so we decided to refine our requirements so that we are ready when the time comes | 21:22 |
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| shamail | carolbarrett: Not for this one, this is not one we will be able to intercept in Newton and I have already told nikhil that we are drafting a story | 21:23 |
| carolbarrett | OK. | 21:23 |
| shamail | This one will probably intersect later | 21:23 |
| nikhil | ++ | 21:23 |
| carolbarrett | Let's move to our last User Story for today - Fleet Management - Kenny & Krish - Update? | 21:23 |
| shamail | thanks nikhil | 21:23 |
| * kencjohnston looks at Krish... | 21:24 | |
| KrishR | carolbarrett: will need some more work to address all the comments | 21:24 |
| kencjohnston | KrishR +1 I htink we are in a "get more feedback" phase with this story. | 21:24 |
| carolbarrett | Is it likely to be merged ahead of Austin? | 21:25 |
| kencjohnston | So the ask is "Review the Story" | 21:25 |
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| KrishR | carolbarrett: unlikely to be merged before Austin i think | 21:25 |
| shamail | Definitely look forward to hearing more about this one in our Austin meeting… | 21:25 |
| kencjohnston | carolbarrett I'd say unlikely. Only on patchset six. | 21:25 |
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| carolbarrett | Is that going to cause any issues with other discussions planned for the Design Summit? | 21:26 |
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| KrishR | carolbarrett: i don't think so...we will be talking about this being on OSIC roadmap though | 21:27 |
| kencjohnston | carolbarrett Not that I'm aware of. I would think we would want to discuss it at the Ops Summit on Monday but not much anywhere else. | 21:27 |
| carolbarrett | Sounds good. | 21:27 |
| carolbarrett | Thanks | 21:27 |
| carolbarrett | Let's move to Austin Planning - we've got 30 mins left | 21:27 |
| carolbarrett | #topic Planning for Austin | 21:28 |
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| shamail | carolbarrett: I updated the etherpad with my suggestions and also room information | 21:28 |
| carolbarrett | Thanks Shamail | 21:28 |
| carolbarrett | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Austin_Working_Session_Planning | 21:28 |
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| carolbarrett | shamail: Whether it's part of the work flow discussion or a separate topic, We want to ask that requirements and user stories get integrated into the updated OpenStack Design and Development work flow that will result from separating the Design Summit from the Conference | 21:30 |
| shamail | carolbarrett: +1 | 21:30 |
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| carolbarrett | Are you thinking it's part of the Work Flow or separate? | 21:30 |
| shamail | It will be a part of the workflow but def. needs to be called out | 21:30 |
| shamail | Does it make sense to have two mockups of the workflow (the current vs. the one with separate summits)? | 21:31 |
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| kencjohnston | shamail help me understand how summit separation might change our workflow? | 21:31 |
| pchadwick | Does the workflow change or just the timing | 21:31 |
| pchadwick | kencjohnston +1 | 21:31 |
| kencjohnston | shamail our team would meet at the "Design" summit still correct? | 21:31 |
| shamail | that needs to be discussed | 21:32 |
| shamail | because it might depend on where the ops decide to meet | 21:32 |
| kencjohnston | shamail ok. Gotcha. | 21:32 |
| carolbarrett | kencjohnston: As the Design Summit separates from the Conference, that means the Operators (and their feedback) gets more removed from the project teams. | 21:32 |
| pchadwick | carolbarrett: +1 | 21:32 |
| shamail | I think the change to the workflow depends on whether we have responsibility to carry over feedback from one event to the other | 21:32 |
| pchadwick | I would hope the board thought of that. | 21:32 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | are we eqauting roadmap with themes? | 21:33 |
| kencjohnston | carolbarrett unless the operators stay with teh design summit, which was an assumption I'd made, but probably isn't fair to assume. | 21:33 |
| carolbarrett | Because the release will occur several months ahead of the Conference, the feedback from the Operators will be even more valuable to the teams. | 21:33 |
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| shamail | carolbarrett: We should ask Tom what his thoughts are on which summit the ops-meetups will take place in | 21:33 |
| anteaya | I think a lot of people will be working to continue communication between the various groups | 21:33 |
| pchadwick | anteaya +1 | 21:33 |
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| carolbarrett | kencjohnston: That is not the plan that has been discussed at the Board or I've seen from the TC. They are focused on project design activities only | 21:33 |
| pchadwick | And the PWG should be part of that communication. | 21:34 |
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| shamail | anteaya, agreed… we should factor that into the workflow so that its a practice that is encouraged | 21:34 |
| anteaya | I don't think anyone is excluded from that communication | 21:34 |
| carolbarrett | it's great to hear that people will help bridge that gap - it would be good to outline the process for it as part of the updated design/development work flow | 21:34 |
| shamail | carolbarrett: +1 | 21:34 |
| anteaya | but if you want a workflow that says so, then great | 21:35 |
| carolbarrett | anteaya: Yes, we'd like to have an approach that the Community buys into and understands so we can successfully channel the info into the development efforts | 21:35 |
| anteaya | well the community buys into anyone doing work that needs done | 21:36 |
| carolbarrett | We want to use the time with the Board/TC to start this discussion and gain support for including the PWG in the redefinition efforts. | 21:36 |
| anteaya | if you want, great | 21:37 |
| kencjohnston | who is taking the action to propose a different workflow? | 21:37 |
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| shamail | kencjohnston: If the operators stay with the design summit then it becomes a lesser issue but there is value in having user stories/requirements gathering in the workflow in either case | 21:37 |
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| shamail | kencjohnston: I am working on it but would be glad for additional help | 21:38 |
| pchadwick | shamail: it sounds like we should discuss this at the Friday working session after we know more. | 21:38 |
| kencjohnston | I'm a bit concerned that the PWG would be painting ourselves into becoming a bottleneck for communication, which is contrary to our mission, and my appetite for headaches :) | 21:38 |
| shamail | pchadwick: +1 | 21:38 |
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| pchadwick | kencjohnston: +1 | 21:38 |
| carolbarrett | I think there are 2 changes to the work flow: The separation of the summits; and the desire to collaborate with other Industry groups (ex. OPNFV) | 21:38 |
| carolbarrett | pchadwick: +1 | 21:38 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: we don’t want to be the bottleneck but we do want people to know there is a place to document and also eliminate any misunderstandings about how to translate user stories into actionable things inside the community | 21:39 |
| MarkBaker | carolbarrett, are you taking it as a done deal that the release is going to shift? | 21:39 |
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| pchadwick | I just added it to the agenda for Friday. | 21:39 |
| carolbarrett | MarkBaker: yes | 21:39 |
| carolbarrett | pchadwick: Thanks | 21:39 |
| pchadwick | markbaker: that is what I heard as well. | 21:39 |
| pchadwick | Do you have a different sense? | 21:39 |
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| MarkBaker | pchadwick, I believe that whilst it is being actively discussed I am not aware that a decision has been made | 21:40 |
| pchadwick | markbaker: thanks. | 21:40 |
| carolbarrett | The other issue I think we want to cover in the Board/TC discussion is the challenge around introducing cross-project specs for new capabilities where the implementation methods are not defined. | 21:40 |
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| carolbarrett | MarkBaker: I think the decision will be made in Austin based upon the discussion in the Tahoe meeting | 21:41 |
| shamail | thingee pointed us to a relevant change (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295940/2), please review it when you have time. | 21:41 |
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| carolbarrett | Thanks Shamail | 21:42 |
| carolbarrett | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295940/2 | 21:42 |
| shamail | carolbarrett: I think both of these topics can be covered under the context of workflow… this second topic is just as crucial | 21:42 |
| carolbarrett | +1 | 21:42 |
| carolbarrett | Let's plan to review the slides for the Board meeting in our next meeting - Shamail: does that timing work for you? | 21:43 |
| shamail | That will work | 21:43 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Is the feel that our user story and cross peoject specs are too anti agile model? | 21:43 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: I don’t think so, agile has user stories as well | 21:43 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | code take presedence over spec? | 21:43 |
| MarkBaker | carolbarrett, agreed - I believe that a decision will be made in Austin. | 21:43 |
| carolbarrett | #action shamail draft slides for Board/TC discussion for 4/18 team meeting | 21:43 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | carol can you forward board meeting invite | 21:44 |
| shamail | Essentially, can we include user stories into design workflows so that community members can document their requirements (and this allows feedback from one summit to the other) and also how can we then bring those into the community for technical design conversations | 21:44 |
| shamail | both of the topics play a role. | 21:44 |
| kencjohnston | Arkady_Kanevsky +1, is this the Sunday meeting? | 21:44 |
| carolbarrett | arkady_kanevsky: you can find the info on the wiki | 21:44 |
| leong | +1 shamail | 21:45 |
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| carolbarrett | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/UnofficialBoardNotes-Apr24-2016 | 21:45 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: Does this approach seem reasonable or does it still trigger a bottleneck alarm? Thank you for raising that concern since that is definitely something we want to avoid (in reality and perception) | 21:45 |
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| kencjohnston | shamail I think it's fine to say we have A process. I just would worry about saying it is THE process. | 21:46 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/24Apr2016BoardMeeting | 21:46 |
| kencjohnston | shamail and I don't think we are suggesting that the PWG needs involvement in single project User Stories or requests | 21:46 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: +1, it definitely is A process, not THE. | 21:46 |
| carolbarrett | board meeting invite sent... | 21:46 |
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| shamail | agreed on that too kencjohnston, the criteria still holds | 21:46 |
| carolbarrett | +1 | 21:47 |
| kencjohnston | I think our value is a collaborative forum to discuss intended work and define requirements for cross project thigns | 21:47 |
| kencjohnston | and a place to track the status of that intended work for others interested in contributing to the effort | 21:47 |
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| shamail | +1 | 21:47 |
| carolbarrett | +1 | 21:48 |
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| KrishR | kencjohnston: +1 | 21:48 |
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| kencjohnston | I just don't want us saying, "We take the requirements from the operators and give htem to the developers." | 21:48 |
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| kencjohnston | mostly because I have a life goal to never seriously quote Office Space... | 21:48 |
| cloudrancher | +1 | 21:49 |
| shamail | no, plus that is only one of the parties that we would be representing | 21:49 |
| carolbarrett | We also have a session in the Cross-project track on Tuesday from 5:30 - 6:10 | 21:49 |
| shamail | Are you not a people person kencjohnston> | 21:49 |
| shamail | :-) | 21:49 |
| kencjohnston | shamail obviously not... | 21:49 |
| kencjohnston | :) | 21:49 |
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| kencjohnston | ha | 21:49 |
| carolbarrett | LOL | 21:50 |
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| carolbarrett | In the cross project session, I'm hoping we can have collaborative discussions on the Cross-project specs topic and the work flow. | 21:50 |
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| rockyg | o/ Late because the company spyware hosed the micrsoft exchange software so I didn't get the calendar alert (thought this went well with current topic | 21:50 |
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| carolbarrett | If you can attend the cross project spec session , can you pls add your name to the etherpad? | 21:51 |
| kencjohnston | carolbarrett agreed I think that will be a good forum for discussion. | 21:51 |
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| sgordon | shamail, i guess my concern about the above is that we're kind of losing sight of the original ideas behind the group | 21:52 |
| sgordon | shamail, which was we're all companies with devs working on openstack, let's work on co-ordinating that better | 21:52 |
| kencjohnston | sgordon +1 | 21:52 |
| rockyg | +1 | 21:52 |
| sgordon | shamail, whereas it seems like the ops->productwg->cross project->??? pipeline is too disconnected | 21:52 |
| sgordon | shamail, from who actually does the work | 21:52 |
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| sgordon | i mean for me, rolling upgrades are important | 21:53 |
| sgordon | so i have folks working on rolling upgrades | 21:53 |
| shamail | sgordon: that is still our charter… however having needs or, even validation, for user stories identified from other sources isn’t a bad thing | 21:53 |
| sgordon | and im sure other folks are the same about other use cases | 21:53 |
| shamail | ultimately, commitment still drives what moves forward | 21:53 |
| sgordon | even though they havent come through the pipe as "approved" | 21:53 |
| kencjohnston | sgordon Agreed. I was thinking about this the other day, "How does a group of non-programmers participate in a software do-acracy." | 21:53 |
| rockyg | So maybe we need to find a way to put all the differenct companies' devs who are working on the same topic together? | 21:53 |
| sgordon | and i am concerned we may push some stuff through all this process and find oh nobody actually cares enough to dedicate bodies to that after all | 21:54 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | we still need to collect all rolling upgrade stories in all projects under user story | 21:54 |
| sgordon | we all just thought it was a nice idea | 21:54 |
| sgordon | Arkady_Kanevsky, i dont disagree with that but you could arguably skip straight to cross-project spec for that | 21:54 |
| shamail | we have three main items in our original charter: 1) gather feedback 2) help with implementation and tracking 3) build roadmap for information sharing | 21:54 |
| carolbarrett | kencjohnston: I think that's a great way to frame it. | 21:54 |
| pchadwick | sgordon: +1 which is why to some extent we should be driving things that we know are getting worked on | 21:54 |
| sgordon | Arkady_Kanevsky, as rolling upgrades have existed in some projects since icehouse... | 21:54 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | <sgordon> we still be able to report on the progress in one place | 21:55 |
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| sgordon | and e.g. cinder rolling upgrades happened in mitaka | 21:55 |
| shamail | If that happens sgordon then we would have to make sure we let the submitters know the end result | 21:55 |
| sgordon | with no product wg use case | 21:55 |
| KrishR | sgordon: so maybe we ahve a requirement that whoever submits a user story is ready to put dev resources behind it? | 21:55 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | true for all core projects | 21:55 |
| shamail | however, some of the feedback could align with a user story and provides greater insight into applicability | 21:55 |
| sgordon | Arkady_Kanevsky, im not seeing how we are assisting with that if we spend so much time arguing about user story that it's already being implemented | 21:55 |
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| sgordon | admittedly this is also a tooling issue | 21:56 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | steve - agree with you | 21:56 |
| rockyg | kencjohnston, we make the connections. My devs, meet sgordon 's devs. Now go figure out the rolling upgrade stuff and present it to the prod wg so we can review | 21:56 |
| sgordon | in that we dont have that piece yet | 21:56 |
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| shamail | very valid point sgordon | 21:56 |
| sgordon | rockyg, right i think a little focus on putting a dev lead for interested company against it | 21:56 |
| sgordon | rockyg, would help make those connections | 21:56 |
| carolbarrett | sgordon: I like that | 21:56 |
| sgordon | some of whom are likely already working with each other | 21:57 |
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| nateziemann | +1 kencjohnston | 21:57 |
| carolbarrett | sgordon: definitely | 21:57 |
| shamail | sgordon: +1 | 21:57 |
| rockyg | yup. Frinstance, I just got the names of the HA VM dev lead and the rolling upgrade lead for Huawei | 21:57 |
| pchadwick | sgordon: +1 | 21:57 |
| kencjohnston | For instance nateziemann and I connected on our two companies interest in cells v2 :) | 21:57 |
| shamail | Let’s figure out the best balance in our working session | 21:57 |
| kencjohnston | shamail agreed | 21:57 |
| kencjohnston | We have had the convo before actually, but never documented it. | 21:58 |
| sgordon | shamail, thanks - i think that is the right forum | 21:58 |
| * kencjohnston is counting the times we've had it in his head now.... | 21:58 | |
| carolbarrett | Do we need to discuss some of this more before the cross-project session and board discussion? | 21:58 |
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| sgordon | i think it will probably come out in the cross-project one | 21:58 |
| KrishR | carolbarrett: i think you started on the chart showing sho's interested in which user story...just add names of devs from each company | 21:58 |
| sgordon | maybe not the board one though | 21:58 |
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| rockyg | I think the best thing we can do is to connect our devs and architects for a specific user story and stand back. Make sure they keep talking and developing, though | 21:58 |
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| MeganR | rockyg +1, and sometimes the hardest task | 21:59 |
| KrishR | who's* | 21:59 |
| carolbarrett | rockyg: I think we need to also frame up the requrements for the solution they are specing and developing | 21:59 |
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| kencjohnston | carolbarrett +1 agreeing to the problem definition is usually the hardest part | 21:59 |
| shamail | We are at time carolbarrett | 22:00 |
| rockyg | carolbarrett, that's the user story. But they create the cross-proj spec or other specs and we review | 22:00 |
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| carolbarrett | Rockyg +1 | 22:00 |
| shamail | We can continue in #openstack-product (I will be leaving in 5-10 min) | 22:00 |
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| carolbarrett | We're at the top of the hour....in the Austin etherpad there's a link to slides for the BoF, would appreciate if people would review | 22:01 |
| shamail | Good meeting! | 22:01 |
| KrishR | thks everyone, bye | 22:01 |
| carolbarrett | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 11 22:01:30 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-04-11-21.00.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-04-11-21.00.txt | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-04-11-21.00.log.html | 22:01 |
| MeganR | bye! | 22:01 |
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