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| dirk | toabctl, dirk, aplanas, IgorYozhikov, jruzicka: ping | 11:51 |
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| jruzicka | dirk, pong | 11:51 |
| jruzicka | meeting in one hour, no? | 11:51 |
| dirk | ah, right. timeshift | 11:52 |
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| jruzicka | I'm pretty sure DST wasted more human resources than it saved | 11:53 |
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| toabctl | hi | 12:00 |
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| dirk | toabctl: I think we moved timezone to 15 o'clokc now.. | 12:15 |
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| dirk | toabctl, dirk, aplanas, IgorYozhikov, jruzicka: ping | 13:00 |
| toabctl | hi | 13:00 |
| dirk | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 31 13:00:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dirk. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:00 | |
| toabctl | hi | 13:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging' | 13:00 |
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| dirk | #topic agenda | 13:00 |
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| dirk | everyone, please update https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging | 13:01 |
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| IgorYozhikov | o/ | 13:05 |
| dirk | can we start, anything still left? | 13:05 |
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| dirk | #topic pypi tarballs or sdisted from git tarball as source | 13:05 |
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| dirk | IgorYozhikov: care to explain? | 13:05 |
| IgorYozhikov | yes | 13:06 |
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| IgorYozhikov | want to clarify is there any concerns about tarball source and how to "cook" them. | 13:07 |
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| IgorYozhikov | or this is in responsibility of package maintainer | 13:07 |
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| IgorYozhikov | at present moment in our templates Source: pointing to pypi tarball | 13:08 |
| dirk | yep | 13:08 |
| dirk | which should be fine for things that are "released", right? | 13:08 |
| dirk | is there a particular package you have in mind where this is a problem? | 13:09 |
| dirk | or is it just for the "package from git" case? | 13:09 |
| dirk | we could point to tarballs.openstack.org | 13:09 |
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| IgorYozhikov | dirk, packages built from git code instead of pypi prebuilt tarballs | 13:10 |
| IgorYozhikov | with pypi we already have "cooked" tarball | 13:11 |
| dirk | ah, ok | 13:11 |
| IgorYozhikov | in case of git - tarball should be created from particular tag | 13:11 |
| IgorYozhikov | and only after that passed into rpmuild | mock |etc | 13:12 |
| dirk | so are you tracking daily commits to the git branches? | 13:12 |
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| dirk | or are you creating the tarball yourself from a git tag and sdist it? | 13:12 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, 2nd | 13:12 |
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| IgorYozhikov | own "kitchen" | 13:12 |
| IgorYozhikov | building sdit-ed tarballs | 13:13 |
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| IgorYozhikov | sdist-ed | 13:13 |
| dirk | and why do you prefer that over pypi? | 13:13 |
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| dirk | I mean, if its a requirement we need to add a renderspec variable for it and abstract it away :) | 13:14 |
| dirk | generally I think pypi is preferable because its the canonical source for python packages | 13:14 |
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| toabctl | yes. and also upstream uses the tarballs from pypi | 13:15 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, understood | clarified. | 13:15 |
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| IgorYozhikov | next topic? | 13:16 |
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| dirk | not sure what we agreed on | 13:17 |
| dirk | do we need to create a renderspec filter ? | 13:17 |
| dirk | or will you just switch to pypi ? | 13:17 |
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| IgorYozhikov | dirk, pypi looks fine and in case of necessity | 13:18 |
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| dirk | ok, thanks | 13:19 |
| dirk | #agreed upstream spec files will link pypi tarballs | 13:19 |
| IgorYozhikov | we can switch to another source - like locally prebuilt tarball | 13:19 |
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| dirk | #topic design summit session | 13:19 |
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| toabctl | r | 13:20 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, what news - room, schedule ? | 13:20 |
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| dirk | just to give out the update, we have 1/2 fishbowl session | 13:20 |
| dirk | shared with the deb-packaging project | 13:20 |
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| dirk | on thursday 11:50 | 13:20 |
| IgorYozhikov | so zigo will be there, right? | 13:21 |
| dirk | and a single work room slot on thursday 2:20 | 13:21 |
| dirk | I guess/hope so | 13:21 |
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| dirk | PTL is Monty ,so at least he'll likely be there :) | 13:21 |
| dirk | I haven't reached out to him yet regarding topic/slot | 13:21 |
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| dirk | do we have things we want to discuss in the fishbowl slot ? | 13:21 |
| dirk | I'd send it as a topic RFQ then to monty to figure out what we're gonna do about it | 13:22 |
| dirk | overall I think the decision from TC to do a shared fishbowl with deb and rpm makes a lot of sense | 13:22 |
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| IgorYozhikov | We could discuss approach which is already used om rpm-side and propose it to deb | 13:23 |
| IgorYozhikov | templates + auto-fill will make life easier | 13:23 |
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| number80 | o/ | 13:24 |
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| dirk | yep, shared of experiences is probably good topic | 13:24 |
| dirk | also common gating plans is probably an item to sync on | 13:25 |
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| dirk | gating/check gates | 13:25 |
| IgorYozhikov | And as far as I know deb project working on CI on infra side | 13:25 |
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| dirk | yeah | 13:25 |
| IgorYozhikov | our ci engineers participated in review and meetings helping zigo | 13:25 |
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| jruzicka | o/ | 13:26 |
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| IgorYozhikov | dirk, i really very hope that our ci will be ready before summit and we could also collect some results/data and discuss it too | 13:26 |
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| dirk | nice | 13:27 |
| dirk | yep, would be great | 13:27 |
| IgorYozhikov | working on it | 13:27 |
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| dirk | we have mixed experiences with the external zuul setup (its not very stable) still looking into fixing those issues.. | 13:27 |
| IgorYozhikov | I can,as promised, collect some data/proposal about CI stuff | 13:27 |
| IgorYozhikov | and share it | 13:27 |
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| dirk | yep, anything else, any questions? | 13:28 |
| IgorYozhikov | I have approve for summit btrip | 13:28 |
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| IgorYozhikov | and believe that can try to drive one-two topics :) | 13:28 |
| number80 | I should be there, and will also draft our plan for CI for RPM packaging | 13:29 |
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| IgorYozhikov | dirk, think that all these more | less enough for fishbowl | 13:30 |
| dirk | yep | 13:30 |
| IgorYozhikov | worksession: | 13:30 |
| number80 | I'll see if I can invite openstack infra folks to help us | 13:30 |
| dirk | for the work session I guess we don't necessarily need a topic list | 13:30 |
| number80 | (or answer our questions) | 13:30 |
| dirk | yet | 13:30 |
| dirk | for the fishbowl I need to fill in the slot description | 13:30 |
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| dirk | next topic? | 13:32 |
| dirk | #topic openstack salt packages | 13:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "openstack salt packages (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:33 | |
| dirk | jasondotstar: ping? | 13:33 |
| toabctl | dirk: I already pinged him in #openstack-rpm-packaging without response... | 13:34 |
| dirk | jasondotstar recently joined #openstack-rpm-packaging and was interested in getting/contributing openstack-salt rpm packages | 13:34 |
| IgorYozhikov | salt? salt | saltstack | 13:34 |
| number80 | yes | 13:34 |
| dirk | he wanted to invite people over for the rpm packaging meeting but apparently we miscommunicated on the time slot.. | 13:35 |
| dirk | anyway, I guess we can postpone the topic | 13:35 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, salt* -> rpm-packaging/openstack/* right? | 13:35 |
| dirk | IgorYozhikov: I think it was about packaging the git repo git.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-salt/ | 13:36 |
| dirk | I haven#t looked at what that would require yet | 13:36 |
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| dirk | would have been my first question. reportedly there are deb packages but people raised interest in having rpm packages as well | 13:36 |
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| IgorYozhikov | u i c | 13:37 |
| dirk | in case anyone has spec files or wants to write some, contributions are welcome :) | 13:37 |
| IgorYozhikov | will update old stuff tomorrow, a lot of work during these days :) | 13:38 |
| dirk | any last topic? | 13:38 |
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| dirk | othwise I'd end the meeting. I have to rush over to something else but will do a round of reviews later tonight | 13:38 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, i'm fine with finish earlier | 13:39 |
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| toabctl | nothing from my side. | 13:40 |
| dirk | #endmeeting | 13:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 31 13:40:22 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-03-31-13.00.html | 13:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-03-31-13.00.txt | 13:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-03-31-13.00.log.html | 13:40 |
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| m3m0 | #startmeeting freezer | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 31 14:01:50 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is m3m0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'freezer' | 14:01 |
| reldan | o/ | 14:02 |
| m3m0 | as always, topics are available here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:02 |
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| m3m0 | who's here for the freezer meeting? hands in the air :) | 14:02 |
| m3m0 | o/ | 14:02 |
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| ddieterly | o/ | 14:02 |
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| m3m0 | let's wait for more ppl to join | 14:02 |
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| slashme | Hi | 14:03 |
| slashme | o/ | 14:03 |
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| zhangjn | PTL | 14:04 |
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| zhangjn | come on | 14:04 |
| m3m0 | guys before start the meeting, feel free to modify the agenda and add or edit topics | 14:05 |
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| m3m0 | #topic new PTL | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "new PTL (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:05 | |
| m3m0 | well the first thing is to congratulate slashme in his new role | 14:06 |
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| ddieterly | slashme congrats! | 14:06 |
| m3m0 | under his ruling he will provide food and water to freezer developers | 14:06 |
| slashme | ;) | 14:06 |
| szaher | slashme: Congratulations :) :) | 14:06 |
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| zhangjn | slashme: congrats! | 14:07 |
| zhangjn | :):) | 14:07 |
| m3m0 | can we move forward? | 14:07 |
| yangyapeng | get_backup_args | 14:07 |
| yangyapeng | Congratulations | 14:08 |
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| daemontool | o/ | 14:08 |
| zhangjn | Make money | 14:08 |
| zhangjn | freedom | 14:09 |
| slashme | As said in my candidacy, my goal for freezer during the newton release cycle will be to improve Freezer stability, user experience, documentation and interoperability. I really look forward to work with all of you and I think we couldn't have a better team to work on Freezer. :) | 14:10 |
| vannif | hi | 14:10 |
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| m3m0 | wiser words haven't been spoken | 14:10 |
| slashme | I'm also very happy to see more and more people joining the dev team, this is a very good sign. | 14:10 |
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| m3m0 | next topic | 14:11 |
| m3m0 | #topic integration tests | 14:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "integration tests (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:11 | |
| m3m0 | ddieterly: would you like to comment on this? | 14:11 |
| ddieterly | sure | 14:12 |
| ddieterly | the freezer repo and the freezer-api repo both have a gate that runs tempest tests | 14:12 |
| ddieterly | this review has good examples of how to write tempest tests https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297360/ | 14:12 |
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| ddieterly | so, the infrastructure is all there and there are examples for people to follow | 14:13 |
| ddieterly | there should be no excuses for not writing tests now ;-) | 14:13 |
| slashme | How are we going to manage integration testing for the freezer-agent? I see a lot of example in other project on how to test api's, but how will we test an "executable" ? | 14:14 |
| daemontool | we could test the api with the agent | 14:14 |
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| daemontool | and the scheduler | 14:14 |
| ddieterly | you can write the tests without using the tempest rest apis | 14:14 |
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| slashme | bash/python ? | 14:14 |
| ddieterly | just write code under the tempest plugin that follows the examples | 14:14 |
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| ddieterly | the import thing is that there is a gate that will invoke the tests | 14:15 |
| daemontool | slashme, yes similarly on how the jobs are crated in hlm | 14:15 |
| ddieterly | you can write any code you like | 14:15 |
| slashme | So tempest would still be executing them. Seems perfect then. | 14:15 |
| ddieterly | yes | 14:15 |
| ddieterly | you can also invoke any other code using the post/pre test hooks in the gate | 14:16 |
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| ddieterly | that code can be outside the tempest tests dir | 14:16 |
| ddieterly | you all now have the power :-) | 14:17 |
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| daemontool | thanks for that ddieterly | 14:17 |
| ddieterly | daemontool my pleasure | 14:18 |
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| m3m0 | ddieterly thanks a lot :) | 14:18 |
| daemontool | next? | 14:19 |
| m3m0 | sure | 14:19 |
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| m3m0 | #topic mitaka branch for ui | 14:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "mitaka branch for ui (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:19 | |
| m3m0 | slashme any input on this? | 14:20 |
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| m3m0 | daemontool | 14:20 |
| daemontool | well we have to do it :) | 14:20 |
| daemontool | next week? | 14:20 |
| m3m0 | sure, that could be great | 14:20 |
| m3m0 | so we can start the newton development | 14:20 |
| slashme | Mar 28-1 R-1 Final RCs and intermediary releases TC member self-nomination | 14:20 |
| slashme | Apr 4-8 R-0 Mitaka release TC member election | 14:20 |
| daemontool | we can work on newton even now | 14:21 |
| daemontool | master actually is newton | 14:21 |
| daemontool | stable/mitaka is mitaka | 14:21 |
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| m3m0 | but the ui needs that branch and then we can move to newton | 14:21 |
| m3m0 | we can do that next week | 14:22 |
| m3m0 | next topic? | 14:22 |
| m3m0 | #topic pending reviews | 14:23 |
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| m3m0 | guys please review this: | 14:23 |
| m3m0 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297119/ | 14:23 |
| m3m0 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295220/ | 14:23 |
| m3m0 | https://review.openstack.org/278407 | 14:23 |
| m3m0 | https://review.openstack.org/280811 | 14:23 |
| m3m0 | https://review.openstack.org/291757 | 14:23 |
| m3m0 | https://review.openstack.org/296436 | 14:23 |
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| daemontool | ok | 14:23 |
| daemontool | I think we need to change something | 14:23 |
| daemontool | in the gate job | 14:23 |
| daemontool | we need to differentiate for job execute on master | 14:24 |
| daemontool | and previous releases | 14:24 |
| daemontool | I'm not sure how to do this | 14:24 |
| daemontool | we need to have a conversation with infra | 14:24 |
| daemontool | in the infra channel | 14:24 |
| daemontool | to understand | 14:24 |
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| m3m0 | agree on that, do you want to have that conversation with them? | 14:25 |
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| daemontool | I can do it, it's not super urgent | 14:27 |
| daemontool | but sooner the better | 14:27 |
| daemontool | there's something about the incremental engine | 14:27 |
| daemontool | I'd like to get some feedback for | 14:28 |
| daemontool | (if we are ok with the previous topic) | 14:28 |
| daemontool | tar recognize the data backup file without the need of the metadata | 14:28 |
| m3m0 | #topic tar metadata | 14:29 |
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| daemontool | now, how can freezer recognize which engine was used | 14:29 |
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| daemontool | for the backup | 14:29 |
| daemontool | options are | 14:29 |
| daemontool | 1) read that in the metadata | 14:29 |
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| daemontool | 2) the user has to set --incremental-engine or --engine | 14:29 |
| daemontool | then restoring | 14:29 |
| daemontool | 3) add few bytes in the rsync data blob | 14:29 |
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| daemontool | like freezer_rsync_v0.1 | 14:30 |
| daemontool | 4) change the current object/directory structure name | 14:30 |
| daemontool | prepending tar or rsync at the beginning | 14:30 |
| daemontool | like rsync_hostname | 14:30 |
| daemontool | and rsync_metadata | 14:30 |
| daemontool | same for tar | 14:30 |
| daemontool | any thought? | 14:30 |
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| m3m0 | if we are going to store the metadata in the storage as well could be a great place to write in the metadata | 14:31 |
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| m3m0 | because for backups made with the agent we don't have support from the api | 14:32 |
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| daemontool | ok | 14:32 |
| daemontool | each option has pro and cons | 14:32 |
| reldan | I would prefer naming in sub-folders or backup name | 14:32 |
| daemontool | reldan, so #4 ? | 14:32 |
| reldan | yes, and I don’t see any drawback for this approach | 14:32 |
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| slashme | Well, non-backward compatible | 14:33 |
| daemontool | that was the one I thought at the beginning | 14:33 |
| daemontool | the only one that is backward compatible | 14:33 |
| reldan | slashme: any approach is not backward compatible | 14:33 |
| daemontool | is #3 I think | 14:33 |
| slashme | Yes but it is very bad | 14:33 |
| reldan | :( | 14:33 |
| daemontool | tar do that for the metadata file | 14:33 |
| reldan | It is sad, yes | 14:33 |
| slashme | You need to get the object first to have the metadata | 14:34 |
| daemontool | is you open the metadata | 14:34 |
| daemontool | at the very beginning | 14:34 |
| daemontool | there-s GNU TARv1.27 something | 14:34 |
| daemontool | but it's also | 14:34 |
| daemontool | complicated | 14:34 |
| daemontool | to write | 14:34 |
| daemontool | cause you have to place the parsing after the data went out of the pipe | 14:35 |
| slashme | I also think #4 is the best option. | 14:35 |
| daemontool | so #4? | 14:35 |
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| daemontool | it's important, cause we need to modify also the remove part | 14:35 |
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| daemontool | ok | 14:36 |
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| slashme | And if using #4, do we go for : engine_backupname_hostname_timestamp_level or engine/backupname_hostname_timestamp_level | 14:36 |
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| daemontool | or engine/hostname/backupname/timestamp/level ? | 14:37 |
| daemontool | it would be different code for swift | 14:38 |
| daemontool | reldan, you had an idea about this if I remember well? | 14:38 |
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| reldan | I would prefer sub-folders sub-containers | 14:40 |
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| reldan | some logical tree from storage | 14:40 |
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| daemontool | let's do this | 14:41 |
| daemontool | let's finish rsync | 14:42 |
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| daemontool | basically working | 14:42 |
| daemontool | and then asap change the object/file format | 14:42 |
| daemontool | ? | 14:42 |
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| daemontool | thoughts? | 14:42 |
| daemontool | let me know in case | 14:43 |
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| daemontool | one more thing, it's important to generate metadata | 14:43 |
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| daemontool | for the current cinder and nova backup modes | 14:43 |
| daemontool | wheter they are native or not | 14:43 |
| daemontool | we need to save some metadata | 14:43 |
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| daemontool | the baas needs to be improved | 14:45 |
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| m3m0 | vannif: any other input for the backup metadata? | 14:46 |
| vannif | i don't like too much the idea of using paths to store information | 14:46 |
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| reldan | vannif: any other idea. if only you have is filesystem | 14:47 |
| daemontool | a path is somewhat | 14:48 |
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| daemontool | already there | 14:48 |
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| daemontool | but I'm not sure we can use a different approach with swift | 14:48 |
| daemontool | unless we use SLO rather DSO | 14:48 |
| daemontool | that's a whole new discussion anyway | 14:48 |
| daemontool | :) | 14:48 |
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| daemontool | slashme, we really need to add some metadata | 14:49 |
| daemontool | to the backup done on VMs and Volumes | 14:49 |
| daemontool | reldan, ^^ | 14:49 |
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| daemontool | very important | 14:49 |
| m3m0 | guys we have 10 min left | 14:50 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:50 |
| reldan | two ways - have something in database, in tree or hashmap | 14:50 |
| reldan | second - path | 14:50 |
| reldan | first - database, index | 14:50 |
| slashme | You mean backup metadata (stored in the api) or engine metadata (stored in a storage media) | 14:50 |
| daemontool | backup metadata | 14:50 |
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| daemontool | that will be displayed by the python-freezerclient | 14:50 |
| daemontool | and the web ui | 14:50 |
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| slashme | Okay, What should we add ? | 14:51 |
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| daemontool | if now we execute a backup of a cindervolume | 14:52 |
| daemontool | with cinder native | 14:52 |
| daemontool | it's not recorded anywhere | 14:52 |
| daemontool | afaik | 14:52 |
| slashme | What do we store right now ? Just the volume/instance id ? | 14:52 |
| daemontool | I think nothing | 14:52 |
| daemontool | we need that | 14:52 |
| daemontool | volume/instance id, timestamp | 14:52 |
| reldan | Yes, we need common approach | 14:53 |
| daemontool | that basic info at least | 14:53 |
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| reldan | for all types of backup | 14:53 |
| daemontool | yes | 14:53 |
| daemontool | it starts to be critical now | 14:53 |
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| daemontool | slashme, probably we should define the critical things were we should focus on? | 14:54 |
| slashme | For newton: | 14:55 |
| slashme | 1st: freezer-agent plugins layers | 14:55 |
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| daemontool | ok | 14:56 |
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| m3m0 | guys 3 min left | 14:56 |
| daemontool | anyway let's define that | 14:57 |
| slashme | Integration tests. We can't conitue like this where every time we try a feature, it is broken | 14:57 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:57 |
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| slashme | I'd say these are our top priority. Let's define the rest in an etherpad | 14:57 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:57 |
| daemontool | baas | 14:57 |
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| daemontool | so many users ask me for baas and dr | 14:58 |
| daemontool | baas top | 14:58 |
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| m3m0 | first we need real multitenancy | 14:58 |
| slashme | Then our main blocker to having baas is oslo policy integrtation | 14:58 |
| m3m0 | guys let's move to #openstack-freezer channel | 14:59 |
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| daemontool | ok | 14:59 |
| daemontool | slagle, ok | 14:59 |
| m3m0 | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| slashme | Yes. Thank you m3m0 | 14:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 31 14:59:13 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-03-31-14.01.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-03-31-14.01.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-03-31-14.01.log.html | 14:59 |
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| cknight | #startmeeting Manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 31 15:00:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cknight. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Manila)" | 15:00 | |
| gouthamr | hello o/ | 15:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| cknight | Hi all | 15:00 |
| jseiler_ | hi | 15:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:00 |
| ganso | hello | 15:00 |
| Yogi1 | Hello | 15:00 |
| toabctl | hi | 15:00 |
| tpsilva | hello | 15:00 |
| dustins | \o | 15:00 |
| zhongjun_ | hi | 15:00 |
| xyang1 | hi | 15:00 |
| ameade | o/ | 15:00 |
| Poornima | Hello :) | 15:00 |
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| cknight | Our illustrious PTL is on vacation today. | 15:00 |
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| vponomaryov | hi | 15:01 |
| cknight | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:01 |
| markstur_ | hi | 15:01 |
| cknight | #topic Mitaka release status | 15:01 |
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| cknight | We haven't seen any bugs in RC1 that would merit an RC2 release. | 15:01 |
| jarrpa | howdy! | 15:02 |
| cknight | And today is the last day to request an RC2 re-spin, and Ben is the only one who can request it, so RC1 is likely to be the release build. | 15:02 |
| cknight | Thanks to everyone for testing RC1. | 15:02 |
| cknight | #topic Design summit planning | 15:03 |
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| cknight | The final schedule confirms 2 fishbowls, 4 working sessions, 1 half-day meetup for Manila. | 15:03 |
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| cknight | Anyone can propose summit topics on the etherpad, and voting is open there now. | 15:03 |
| gouthamr | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-newton-summit-topics | 15:03 |
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| cknight | #topic Manila documentation | 15:04 |
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| cknight | gouthamr: you're up | 15:04 |
| gouthamr | thanks cknight | 15:04 |
| gouthamr | alright, its mostly a bunch of questions i had regarding documentation in Manila | 15:04 |
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| gouthamr | when we add new features, where do we add documentation for it? | 15:05 |
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| gouthamr | i had a tough time figuring out all the places and the limitations.. i was wondering if we have a plan and a direction for devs to follow | 15:05 |
| dustins | And at what time? On code commit? Before release? | 15:05 |
| gouthamr | dustins: +1, that too | 15:06 |
| Poornima | +1 | 15:06 |
| gouthamr | so we have a devref in tree.. and an adminref | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: you always can add docs to "openstack/manuals" and similar projects | 15:06 |
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| gouthamr | our configref lives alongside the rest of openstack in openstack-manuals | 15:06 |
| gouthamr | and there's this other guide, cloud_admin_guide | 15:07 |
| gouthamr | where we seem to have some of our documentation | 15:07 |
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| cknight | There was a big push to create / update Manila docs during Liberty, but I'm not aware of an index to where they all live and what content goes where. Perhaps we need such a meta-doc for Manila devs. | 15:07 |
| gouthamr | so that begs the question.. shouldn't we coordinate this for everything that we add | 15:07 |
| gouthamr | #link http://docs.openstack.org/admin-guide-cloud/shared_file_systems.html | 15:08 |
| gouthamr | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/manila/devref/ | 15:08 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: in good way yes, created feature? - create all related things or delegatet them | 15:08 |
| cknight | gouthamr: Yes, and we should remain consistent with how the other projects handle docs. | 15:09 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: yes, but when most of the documentation gets added, it seems to be in devref | 15:09 |
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| gouthamr | vponomaryov: many a times, that doesn't make semantic sense to me... | 15:09 |
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| vponomaryov | gouthamr: devref is good "sandbox" | 15:09 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: like using a new driver.. or understanding common capabilities | 15:09 |
| gouthamr | and who supports what | 15:10 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: so do we collate all the information sometime and publish it in the right places? | 15:10 |
| ameade | what about the doc liaison idea? | 15:11 |
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| vponomaryov | gouthamr: I did so in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297758/ | 15:11 |
| cknight | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#Documentation | 15:11 |
| dustins | ameade: I was thinking the same | 15:11 |
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| ameade | i'm sure the others have insight here | 15:11 |
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| ameade | (other liaisons) | 15:11 |
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| gouthamr | vponomaryov: awesome. | 15:12 |
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| gouthamr | vponomaryov: but do you plan on doing that every release? | 15:12 |
| markstur_ | for the driver pages each vendor has assigned someone. Trying to find that wiki. | 15:12 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: :D | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: for three releases further )) | 15:13 |
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| gouthamr | vponomaryov: lets find some docs liaison/s to coordinate this | 15:13 |
| gouthamr | :) | 15:13 |
| cknight | vponomaryov: thanks for taking the lead on updating the docs for Mitaka | 15:13 |
| markstur_ | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/VendorDrivers | 15:14 |
| cknight | Is there a volunteer to serve as Manila docs liaison? | 15:14 |
| dustins | I'm game | 15:14 |
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| cknight | dustins: Thanks! | 15:14 |
| dustins | No problem! :) | 15:14 |
| * gouthamr dustins always finds ways to end my rants :) | 15:14 | |
| cknight | #agreed dustins is the Manila docs liaison. | 15:15 |
| markstur_ | dustins, 3D | 15:15 |
| gouthamr | Dustin the Documentation Dude | 15:15 |
| * dustins was really hoping no one was paying attention to that | 15:15 | |
| dustins | :P | 15:15 |
| gouthamr | dustins | 15:15 |
| cknight | dustins: I suggest the first thing you can do to help everyone else is to write a short doc that is a roadmap to manila docs for us developers. | 15:15 |
| dustins | cknight: I was already outlining it my my head | 15:16 |
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| gouthamr | dustins: always happy to help. i can brain dump my findings regarding the docs so far | 15:16 |
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| dustins | gouthamr: Sounds great, thanks, gouthamr! | 15:16 |
| cknight | gouthamr: You also had thoughts about release notes? | 15:16 |
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| gouthamr | cknight: yes | 15:16 |
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| gouthamr | we did not add a lot of renos in Mitaka | 15:16 |
| cknight | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/reno/usage.html | 15:17 |
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| gouthamr | i was hoping as a community, we can do renos in Newton seriously | 15:17 |
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| gouthamr | its really easy to add a reno.. thanks for the link cknight | 15:17 |
| cknight | gouthamr: +1 It's really trivial to add a one-liner release note using reno. | 15:17 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: this thing appeared silently without notification and so on, here is result | 15:17 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: true | 15:18 |
| cknight | vponomaryov: Yes, there was a fire drill at the end of Liberty to add reno support. But we didn't discuss it as a community. | 15:18 |
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| cknight | gouthamr: What is the guideline for knowing when to add a reno? | 15:19 |
| cknight | gouthamr: It seems not every patch needs one. | 15:19 |
| gouthamr | cknight: anything that's a new feature needs a release note | 15:19 |
| cknight | gouthamr: What about significant bug fixes? | 15:20 |
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| gouthamr | cknight: i think that too | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: do you have link to th elist of such things? | 15:20 |
| cknight | gouthamr: And does that include new driver features? | 15:20 |
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| dustins | cknight: It probably should | 15:20 |
| cknight | gouthamr: I'd like to see a short list somewhere that makes it reasonably objective when to add a release note. Can you do that? | 15:21 |
| gouthamr | cknight: yes | 15:22 |
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| gouthamr | cknight: i'll find stuff and add it to the wiki and ping on the channel | 15:22 |
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| gouthamr | cknight: we can point devs to it in reviews too | 15:22 |
| cknight | gouthamr: Thanks. Given that, we can bring it up next week and ask for agreement among core reviewers to look for renos. | 15:22 |
| markstur_ | Thanks! | 15:22 |
| dustins | gouthamr: And I'll help you out with that as well | 15:22 |
| gouthamr | thanks dustins | 15:22 |
| cknight | gouthamr: Anything else on docs? | 15:23 |
| gouthamr | cknight: sure thing | 15:23 |
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| gouthamr | cknight: nope. i guess that's all the ranting for today. :) Please look out for replication docs | 15:23 |
| cknight | #topic Managing/unmanaging replicated shares and snapshots | 15:23 |
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| markstur_ | Is there enough for a doc/reno topic at summit? | 15:23 |
| cknight | you're still up, gouthamr | 15:23 |
| gouthamr | cknight: thank you | 15:23 |
| cknight | markstur_: We could discuss it in the meetup. Please propose that if you like. | 15:24 |
| gouthamr | markstur_: not sure.. i will do the digging on the community policy regarding renos and maybe dustins will bring up stuff too | 15:24 |
| dustins | most likely :D | 15:24 |
| gouthamr | alright, so about manage/unmanage | 15:24 |
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| gouthamr | in the review cycle, vponomaryov pointed to me that managing a share with a share type that has the replication_type extra spec does not work as required | 15:25 |
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| gouthamr | i.e, you can manage a share with the share type, but for replication to work, the replication_type key must be copied to the share model | 15:25 |
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| gouthamr | this is being done in the create share workflow, but not the manage workflow | 15:26 |
| gouthamr | ganso fixed a similar bug (for snapshot_support extra spec) recentky | 15:26 |
| gouthamr | s/recentky/recently | 15:26 |
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| gouthamr | so the question was how to handle manage/unmanage for shares that need to support replication | 15:27 |
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| gouthamr | as of Mitaka, manage ignores your request | 15:27 |
| gouthamr | as stated earlier.. | 15:28 |
| gouthamr | however, i don't think it is straightforward to allow managing shares that should support replication.. | 15:28 |
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| gouthamr | because, 1) the share may already have replicas that manila doesn't know about | 15:28 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: why? namaged original share and crated replica | 15:28 |
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| vponomaryov | s/namaged/managed/ | 15:29 |
| vponomaryov | s/crated/created/ | 15:29 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: yes.. what about when it has replicas already? | 15:29 |
| markstur_ | seems like already has snapshots case | 15:29 |
| markstur_ | a bit | 15:29 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: if you allow admins to manage a share that has replicas, the user can then add more replicas and switch replication relationships | 15:30 |
| gouthamr | markstur_: probably true... | 15:30 |
| markstur_ | but that doesn't mean we have to follow the manage-snapshots design to manage-replicas. -- just to consider it | 15:30 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: share driver should be smart enough to get to know whether it can manage share or not | 15:30 |
| cknight | vponomaryov: If replicas already exist, then the driver managing the active instance may not be able to discern enough info (such as the host values) to report all the needed replica info to manila. | 15:30 |
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| gouthamr | cknight: +1 i know NetApp driver can check and report things to Manila if necessary.. but then, what should it report? | 15:32 |
| cknight | gouthamr: Assuming we support managing replicated shares, which I think we should, we could only allow it (at first) for shares that don't have any existing replicas. | 15:32 |
| tbarron | cknight: so are you saying the driver should decide whether to fail the operation or that it can figure out how to do it? | 15:32 |
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| cknight | tbarron: manage is already that way. the driver is allowed to fail a manage operation for any reason. | 15:32 |
| tbarron | cknight: right | 15:33 |
| cknight | tbarron: manage is an admin-only operation, so drivers can be very strict about what may be managed. | 15:33 |
| Poornima | oops sorry lost network | 15:33 |
| tbarron | so some drivers might know how to do it even if the share has a replica already | 15:33 |
| vponomaryov | cknight, gouthamr: For example, ZFSonLinux driver performs replication itself, so, in case of this driver it is completely ok to manage sharethat was used in replciation earlier | 15:33 |
| vponomaryov | s/itself/by itself/ | 15:34 |
| cknight | vponomaryov: Could that driver determine the host@backend#pool values for each existing replica? | 15:34 |
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| vponomaryov | cknight: such info is provided in manage API | 15:35 |
| tbarron | i'm thinkng that instead of the manager deciding to fail if there are pre-existing replicas that decision could be left to the driver | 15:35 |
| cknight | tbarron: sure, but we would have to design the interface to allow that. | 15:35 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: i don't fully understand that, how will Manila know the host strings to provide for every replica? the API needs to change? | 15:36 |
| tbarron | cknight: agree | 15:36 |
| vponomaryov | cknight, gouthamr: I talking about manageing "single" share, that could be in replciation | 15:36 |
| vponomaryov | s/I/I am/ | 15:36 |
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| gouthamr | vponomaryov: yes.. as long as the share did not have replicas before, this sounds logical | 15:37 |
| vponomaryov | could be in replication earlier | 15:37 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: in case of ZFSonLinux driver it does not matter | 15:37 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: we're talking about how to bring those replicas into manila's management | 15:37 |
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| gouthamr | vponomaryov: as they are.. | 15:38 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: then we should have new "discover replicas" mechanism | 15:38 |
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| vponomaryov | gouthamr: and if we have all replica hosts under manila control then just register them | 15:38 |
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| vponomaryov | gouthamr: same about snapshots for replicated shares | 15:39 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: if not, LOG errors and don't bother creating the replica record? | 15:39 |
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| vponomaryov | gouthamr: we create Db record right now | 15:40 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: i still dunno how the driver can get hold of the host/pool string | 15:40 |
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| vponomaryov | gouthamr: "manage API" requires this string | 15:40 |
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| vponomaryov | gouthamr: host@backend#pool | 15:40 |
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| gouthamr | vponomaryov: yep.. currently, we can only manage a single share instance.. | 15:41 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: with one host string and one export location | 15:41 |
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| vponomaryov | so, if we want to manage replciated shares we need "discover replicas" mechanism, that's all, all other questions are only implementation details | 15:41 |
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| cknight | vponomaryov, gouthamr: Either way, it's more work. That's why we could consider a multi-step approach: manage replicated shares with no replicas in Newton, manage replicated shares with existing replicas later. I think adding DHSS=True support for replication is more important that the more complicated manage operation. | 15:41 |
| gouthamr | cknight: yes, i agree. | 15:42 |
| cknight | gouthamr: I don't see this topic on the summit etherpad, so if it's not urgent I think we could discuss it there. | 15:42 |
| gouthamr | cknight: sure thing. i'll submit a change with what you suggested.. we can discuss this further. | 15:43 |
| gouthamr | thanks vponomaryov tbarron cknight | 15:43 |
| cknight | gouthamr: Thanks. Anything else on this topic? | 15:43 |
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| gouthamr | cknight: nope... | 15:43 |
| cknight | #topic Open discussion | 15:43 |
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| Poornima | Hi cknight gouthamr any upcoming plan's for manila tempest api's | 15:43 |
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| gouthamr | Poornima: you mean manila_tempest_tests? | 15:44 |
| cknight | Poornima: Not sure what you are asking. Can you be more specific? | 15:44 |
| vponomaryov | Poornima: tempest APIs? it does not have APIs | 15:44 |
| Poornima | yep | 15:44 |
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| gouthamr | Poornima: do you want to suggest something? | 15:45 |
| Poornima | are all tempest test covered https://github.com/openstack/manila/blob/master/manila_tempest_tests/tests/api/ ? | 15:45 |
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| cknight | Poornima: We are always adding Tempest tests, and we're working to resolve issues and improve their design. We should have nearly complete coverage of Manila APIs, but more tests are usually welcome. | 15:45 |
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| Poornima | cknight, great where can i check the missing one | 15:46 |
| cknight | Poornima: Where we are more deficient is in the scenario tests. If you are looking for somewhere to contribute, that would be a good place. | 15:46 |
| vponomaryov | Poornima: tests are evolving with Manila | 15:46 |
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| Poornima | yeah cknight vponomaryov I was looking in those to start contributing | 15:47 |
| cknight | Poornima: API tests don't guarantee that backends actually work with real data. Scenario tests do that, and someday when the scenario tests are reliable we expect to ask vendor CI systems to begin running them. | 15:47 |
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| cknight | Poornima: Great, and thanks for being willing to contribute. | 15:47 |
| gouthamr | thank you Poornima! :) | 15:48 |
| Poornima | My pleasure :) | 15:48 |
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| cknight | Any other topics for today? | 15:48 |
| cknight | Going once… | 15:49 |
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| cknight | OK, we'll leave it there. Thanks, everyone! | 15:49 |
| cknight | #endmeeting | 15:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 31 15:49:54 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:49 |
| dustins | later! | 15:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-03-31-15.00.html | 15:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-03-31-15.00.txt | 15:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-03-31-15.00.log.html | 15:50 |
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| Poornima | bye | 15:50 |
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| xarses | #startmeeting fuel | 16:00 |
| xarses | #chair xarses | 16:00 |
| xarses | Todays Agenda: | 16:00 |
| xarses | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:00 |
| xarses | Who's here? | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 31 16:00:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xarses. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| romcheg | \o | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:00 | |
| mwhahaha | hi | 16:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: xarses | 16:00 |
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| evgenyl | hi | 16:00 |
| maximov | hi | 16:00 |
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| kozhukalov | hi | 16:00 |
| dmellado | hi everyone | 16:00 |
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| fzhadaev | Hi! | 16:00 |
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| angdraug | \o | 16:01 |
| ashtokolov | hi | 16:01 |
| holser_ | \o | 16:01 |
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| xarses | #topic action items from last week | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "action items from last week (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:01 | |
| zynzel | greetings from wrong timezone ;) | 16:01 |
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| alex_didenko | hi | 16:01 |
| ikalnitsky | o/ | 16:01 |
| xarses | angdraug holser_ will raise UX tzar ML | 16:01 |
| yottatsa | o/ | 16:02 |
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| holser_ | xarses: ok | 16:02 |
| askb_ | 0/ | 16:02 |
| mihgen | hi | 16:02 |
| xarses | holser_: any update? | 16:03 |
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| holser_ | no updates from my side | 16:03 |
| xarses | thanks | 16:03 |
| xarses | holser_ angdraug with collaborate on [asutin schedule] | 16:03 |
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| xarses | Draft: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-austin-agenda | 16:03 |
| xarses | Schedule: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-newton-summit-planning | 16:03 |
| holser_ | xarses: | 16:03 |
| holser_ | I will provide an update | 16:03 |
| holser_ | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-newton-summit-planning | 16:03 |
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| holser_ | Here is a planning with schedule | 16:04 |
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| holser_ | We picked the most hottest topics | 16:04 |
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| holser_ | However, schedule may be adjusted | 16:04 |
| kozhukalov | in fact most of topics, not only hottest | 16:04 |
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| holser_ | we assigned leaders and mandatory participants | 16:05 |
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| holser_ | and started doing a draft of agenda | 16:05 |
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| holser_ | so Leader of every topic should work on details of agenda | 16:05 |
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| holser_ | I will follow up on that personally with Topic Leaders | 16:05 |
| holser_ | that’s all from my side | 16:05 |
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| xarses | thanks | 16:05 |
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| holser_ | yw | 16:06 |
| xarses | #topic Deploy RDO using Fuel (kozhukalov, dmellado) | 16:06 |
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| kozhukalov | i added this topic | 16:06 |
| kozhukalov | the idea is to make it possible to deploy RDO | 16:07 |
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| mattymo | kozhukalov, wow^ I applaud you. Sounds like we can build on top of what we started with the UCA feature | 16:07 |
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| kozhukalov | here is the BP https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/deploy-rdo-using-fuel | 16:07 |
| kozhukalov | in a nutshell there are two major work items | 16:07 |
| kozhukalov | 1) put some of fuel packages to RDO | 16:07 |
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| kozhukalov | ideally all of them | 16:07 |
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| kozhukalov | but mcagents at least | 16:08 |
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| kozhukalov | 2) implement rpm image build in fuel-agent | 16:08 |
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| kozhukalov | and looks like we have volunteer | 16:08 |
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| mattymo | kozhukalov, who is our volunteer? | 16:08 |
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| dmellado | I'll try to help on that | 16:09 |
| kozhukalov | we just need to help him, answer questions, and help with design | 16:09 |
| dmellado | on a best-effort volunteer based, though ;) | 16:09 |
| dmellado | so we'll need more people on that | 16:09 |
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| xarses | by all means | 16:09 |
| kozhukalov | we have already talked and discussed preliminary design | 16:09 |
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| kozhukalov | first step will be PoC | 16:10 |
| kozhukalov | deploy RDO over base Centos | 16:10 |
| mattymo | my first question is do we intend to do just CentOS? Or also Fedora? | 16:10 |
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| kozhukalov | i don't know | 16:10 |
| mwhahaha | i'm sure there will be a bunch of issues in library around centos | 16:10 |
| dmellado | mattymo: I think Centos will be easier as a first step, as there was already a base for that | 16:10 |
| mwhahaha | and rdo package names | 16:10 |
| dmellado | but I'm not an expert on that, by any means | 16:11 |
| kozhukalov | if RDO is compatible with Fedora then yes but later | 16:11 |
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| kozhukalov | mwhahaha: yes, you are right | 16:11 |
| xarses | kozhukalov: what do we need to do to move this along? | 16:11 |
| kozhukalov | but will see | 16:12 |
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| mwhahaha | yea just something we'll need to keep an eye on, the first step is just being able to deploy centos again | 16:12 |
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| dmellado | mwhahaha: doesn't delorean works on centos? | 16:12 |
| mattymo | dmellado, just curious, what time zone are you in? | 16:12 |
| dmellado | I'm CEST | 16:12 |
| mwhahaha | dmellado: no the issue is that we've been deving with deb packages so the various other packages that we use for things like pacemaker/haproxy may not exist | 16:12 |
| mwhahaha | i know haproxy will be a problem because we use a custom version that supports conf.d | 16:13 |
| dmellado | mwhahaha: I see | 16:13 |
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| mwhahaha | but we also have some other custom names like for our mysql packages | 16:13 |
| kozhukalov | ok, I think it is just an announcement, and I'd like we to be as friendly as possible to help | 16:13 |
| mattymo | haproxy, rabbitmq, and ceph will all present issues, based on what we saw with deploying on top of Ubuntu openstack packages | 16:13 |
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| mwhahaha | yea i'd like to see the centos deployment so just something to be aware of :) | 16:13 |
| xarses | do we need any actions here? | 16:14 |
| kozhukalov | xarses: not yet | 16:14 |
| maximov | kozhukalov: good to hear that fuel is going to support centos deployment for slave nodes again. | 16:14 |
| xarses | k, thanks | 16:14 |
| xarses | #topic bit.ly/1RD6JLR - many review requests (mihgen) | 16:15 |
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| mihgen | hey folks there are many reviews in the queue | 16:15 |
| mihgen | how do we deal with it.. ? | 16:15 |
| xarses | and SCF is next week | 16:15 |
| ikalnitsky | there're a lot of specs | 16:15 |
| ikalnitsky | and fuel-mirror | 16:16 |
| xarses | specs for 10 are fine | 16:16 |
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| ikalnitsky | afaiu, fuel-mirror is targeted to 10.0 | 16:16 |
| ikalnitsky | 'cause it's about refactoring | 16:16 |
| ikalnitsky | kozhukalov: can you confirm that? | 16:16 |
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| kozhukalov | ikalnitsky: which one exactly? | 16:17 |
| xarses | can we just merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297798 | 16:17 |
| xarses | its fixing spec markup | 16:17 |
| kozhukalov | ahh, yes, it is refactoring | 16:17 |
| ikalnitsky | kozhukalov: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/fuel-mirror+branch:master+topic:perestroika/refactoring-2 | 16:17 |
| kozhukalov | i will poke build team to review this | 16:17 |
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| ogelbukh | I still have 2 specs pending for 9 | 16:18 |
| xarses | #topic API guidelines http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/api-wg/tree/guidelines (kozhukalov) | 16:18 |
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| kozhukalov | it is again from my side | 16:19 |
| xarses | sorry, do we still need to talk about last | 16:19 |
| xarses | #topic bit.ly/1RD6JLR - many review requests (mihgen) | 16:19 |
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| xarses | ogelbukh: yes, guys please review ogelbukh's specs | 16:19 |
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| xarses | its landed already and needs to be closed | 16:20 |
| xarses | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/fuel-specs+owner:%22Oleg+Gelbukh+%253Cogelbukh%2540mirantis.com%253E%22+(topic:bp/upload-deployment-facts-to-configdb+OR+topic:bp/serialized-facts-nailgun-api) | 16:20 |
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| xarses | #topic API guidelines http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/api-wg/tree/guidelines (kozhukalov) | 16:20 |
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| xarses | ok, back to you kozhukalov | 16:21 |
| kozhukalov | the idea is to follow community API guidelines and actively discuss these guidelines | 16:21 |
| kozhukalov | I'd like Igor to be our liasion in this group | 16:21 |
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| kozhukalov | ikalnitsky: what do you think? | 16:21 |
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| kozhukalov | is it going to be useful? | 16:22 |
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| ikalnitsky | kozhukalov: taking into account not good shape of nailgun api (and not only nailgun), i think it might be a good idea | 16:22 |
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| kozhukalov | ok, then are interested to be Fuel liasion in API-wg? | 16:23 |
| ikalnitsky | yep | 16:23 |
| ikalnitsky | i'll propose myself | 16:23 |
| kozhukalov | ok, nice ) | 16:23 |
| kozhukalov | that is it on this topic | 16:23 |
| xarses | #topic Mixed team status (zynzel) | 16:24 |
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| zynzel | Fixed team is working on multipath, idempotency and bugfixing/reviewing process. | 16:24 |
| zynzel | Multipath - one issue left (https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1562836), but for now it is not reproductive. | 16:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1562836 in Fuel for OpenStack "Provision of node with multipath device fails on boot" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Aleksey Zvyagintsev (azvyagintsev) | 16:24 |
| zynzel | Idempotency - one issue found today (https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1564358). | 16:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1564358 in Fuel for OpenStack "cgroups task is not idempotent" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Bartosz Kupidura (zynzel) | 16:24 |
| zynzel | QA/CI tests for idempotency are in review, tests for ensurability in progress. | 16:24 |
| zynzel | QA/CI patch for collecting fixtures was merged. Those fixtures will be used by fuel-noop-fixtures framework. | 16:24 |
| zynzel | questions? | 16:24 |
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| holser_ | zynzel: | 16:24 |
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| holser_ | Did you verify idempotency for all tasks | 16:25 |
| holser_ | not just run one .pp in one task | 16:25 |
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| holser_ | one task may configyre something but another configure in different way | 16:25 |
| zynzel | we use 2 methods to find not idempotent task | 16:25 |
| zynzel | 1) run 2 times in a row each granular | 16:25 |
| zynzel | 2) run whole deployment against deployed env | 16:26 |
| zynzel | so we find all not idempotent tasks afaik | 16:26 |
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| xarses | now that we have classes for each granular, should we start using beaker to enforce this? | 16:26 |
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| zynzel | i dont think this question is for me | 16:27 |
| alex_didenko | why? | 16:27 |
| alex_didenko | we already have integration tests | 16:28 |
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| alex_didenko | based on fuel-qa | 16:28 |
| mwhahaha | we should look at being able to test the classes leveraging beaker to do simple validation | 16:28 |
| angdraug | alex_didenko: we can't rely on just integration tests for validating _everything_ | 16:28 |
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| mwhahaha | rather than having to spin up the multi-node stuff we already do | 16:28 |
| xarses | to test for idempotency? | 16:28 |
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| mwhahaha | it's much easier to test idempotency via beaker by running the classes again then trying to elverage fuel to do it | 16:29 |
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| alex_didenko | how about multi-tasks idempotency? | 16:29 |
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| alex_didenko | what if one task changes the same resoruces/files as the other | 16:29 |
| mwhahaha | we managed to get some reporting items into astute to allow us to report on idempotency but it's basically a double run of deploments | 16:29 |
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| mwhahaha | we tested both | 16:29 |
| alex_didenko | so if you run one task multiple times - it's idempotent | 16:29 |
| alex_didenko | but if you run both - the won't be idempotent | 16:29 |
| mwhahaha | 1) double run the tasks serially and 2) double run deployments | 16:29 |
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| alex_didenko | so double deployments with fuel-qa and beaker | 16:30 |
| mwhahaha | we identified only a few places where the tasks are not idempotent | 16:30 |
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| xarses | sounds like we need to continue to visit idempotency testing in newton | 16:30 |
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| mwhahaha | well the first one could be done via beaker | 16:30 |
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| mwhahaha | and the double deployment via fuel-qa | 16:30 |
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| mwhahaha | we should continue this conversation as the framework we have is very time and labor intensive at the moment | 16:31 |
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| alex_didenko | but we can't replace it with beaker | 16:31 |
| mwhahaha | and would be a swarm check and not CI | 16:31 |
| mwhahaha | no we should augment with beaker | 16:31 |
| alex_didenko | we can add some additional test coverage with beaker | 16:31 |
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| alex_didenko | but we should research if it brings any value | 16:31 |
| xarses | some one want an action item here? | 16:32 |
| mwhahaha | we also didn't test fuel master idempotency either | 16:32 |
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| mwhahaha | but that should be covered as part of an effort to upstream a fuel module | 16:32 |
| mwhahaha | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/split-fuel-puppet-module | 16:32 |
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| xarses | #action mwhahaha alex_didenko zynzel will document remaining gaps in idempotency coverage | 16:33 |
| xarses | #topic UI Team status (vkramskikh) | 16:33 |
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| vkramskikh | Hi! Here is our status for 9.0 release. We've finished working on features and switched to bugfixing. Since the last week we had 8 outgoing and 6 incoming bugs. Currently we have 36 bugs, 7 of them are High. Currently we're fixing both High and Medium bugs - we want to fix some Mediums before SCF. | 16:33 |
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| xarses | vkramskikh: do these medium bugs already have patches to review? | 16:34 |
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| vkramskikh | xarses: some of them | 16:35 |
| vkramskikh | like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295401/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299456/ | 16:35 |
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| xarses | SCF is next week, if we don't have CR's up before monday, don't expect to them to land | 16:35 |
| vkramskikh | ok | 16:35 |
| xarses | #topic Bugfix status (dpyzhov) | 16:36 |
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| dpyzhov | hi guys | 16:36 |
| dpyzhov | We have a SCF next week and we are in pretty good shape with it. We’ve reviewed all medium/low/wishlist priority bugs and already moved some of them to the Newton release. | 16:36 |
| dpyzhov | With QA help we’ve marked some of bugs with keep-in-9.0 and we’ll try to fix them in 9.0. However we cannot commit on that. | 16:36 |
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| dpyzhov | I guess we’ll fix the rest of them at the begging of Newton release. | 16:36 |
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| dpyzhov | I don't expect any other unassigned bug to be fixed in 9.0 | 16:37 |
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| dpyzhov | As for numbers we have 127 medium/low/wishlist bugs in total and it's smaller than at the begging of the release | 16:37 |
| xarses | dpyzhov: other than working on them early in newton, is there something we can do to help reduce this number? | 16:38 |
| dpyzhov | It will be good to get some help from SME guys | 16:38 |
| dpyzhov | in order to review bugs with 'feature', 'covered-by-bp', 'tech-debt', 'need-bp' tags | 16:38 |
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| dpyzhov | we need to make sure that there are no risks hidden there | 16:39 |
| dpyzhov | xarses: I guess we are already doing the best | 16:39 |
| xarses | dpyzhov: thanks | 16:39 |
| maximov | folks, I would like to pay attention on bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1548271, it keeps reproducing again and again.. it was reported on Feb 22 first time. | 16:39 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1548271 in Fuel for OpenStack "Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost'/Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock errors during cluster deployment" [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to Alex Schultz (alex-schultz) | 16:39 |
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| dpyzhov | xarses: we can ask people to take more bugs now. But we don't have time to fix and merge them | 16:40 |
| xarses | ok | 16:40 |
| dpyzhov | That's all for medium. Also we have 76 bugs in high priority | 16:40 |
| dpyzhov | 17 in library, 59 in python | 16:41 |
| dpyzhov | 23 in new features, 12 in networking and 24 in all other areas | 16:41 |
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| dpyzhov | maximov: thanks, I'll look at the bug | 16:41 |
| dpyzhov | I guess the number of bugs is ok | 16:41 |
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| xarses | ok, moving? | 16:42 |
| dpyzhov | that's all from my side | 16:42 |
| holser_ | maximov: I am working on 1548271 | 16:42 |
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| xarses | #topic Telco Team Status (fzhadaev) | 16:42 |
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| fzhadaev | My update will be extremely short. | 16:42 |
| fzhadaev | Our main activity during this week was fixing bugs: | 16:42 |
| fzhadaev | 7 done | 16:42 |
| fzhadaev | 6 in progress | 16:42 |
| fzhadaev | Any questions? | 16:42 |
| xarses | fzhadaev: are you in good shape for SCF next week? | 16:42 |
| ogelbukh | short update is good | 16:42 |
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| fzhadaev | yep. most of our open bugs are high | 16:43 |
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| xarses | thanks | 16:43 |
| xarses | #topic open discussion | 16:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:44 | |
| xarses | does any one have anything to raise? | 16:44 |
| xarses | Otherwise I will close the meeting early (gasp) | 16:44 |
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| xarses | ok guys, thanks for playing, see you next time | 16:45 |
| ogelbukh | o/ | 16:45 |
| xarses | #endmeeting | 16:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 31 16:45:58 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-03-31-16.00.html | 16:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-03-31-16.00.txt | 16:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-03-31-16.00.log.html | 16:46 |
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| hyakuhei | #startmeeting Security | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 31 17:00:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | o/ | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Security)" | 17:00 | |
| elmiko | o/ | 17:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:00 |
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| hyakuhei | #chair tmcpeak | 17:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hyakuhei tmcpeak | 17:00 |
| hyakuhei | My dog’s just had to go back to the vets for the second time today so it’s possible I’ll need to hand over to you tmcpeak | 17:00 |
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| gmurphy | o/ | 17:00 |
| hyakuhei | Anyway, hopefully not. | 17:00 |
| hyakuhei | Hey gmurphy | 17:01 |
| gmurphy | sup | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-20160331-agenda | 17:01 |
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| elmiko | hyakuhei: =( | 17:01 |
| sdake | o/ ;) | 17:01 |
| elmiko | hope the pup is ok | 17:01 |
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| tmcpeak | yep | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | me too :) | 17:01 |
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| tmcpeak | hope all is well for the dog | 17:01 |
| michaelxin | hi, all | 17:02 |
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| michaelxin | hyakuhei: good luck | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | Cheers | 17:02 |
| gmurphy | i missed the first part of this convo. but i also hope the dog is ok. | 17:02 |
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| hyakuhei | Righto. One more minute and we’ll get started | 17:02 |
| redrobot | o/ | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | hey buddy! | 17:02 |
| elmiko | i had a thought about a name if we ever get to run a Pwn2Own type competition, "Attack the Stack" | 17:03 |
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| tmcpeak | got some minor nits on your note Rob | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | looks good | 17:03 |
| michaelxin | elmiko: +1 | 17:03 |
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| hyakuhei | Cool, yeah I just wrote it now, very much WIP but given how nasty that issue is I thought I’d put it up for review early | 17:04 |
| redrobot | elmiko hehe, that's awesome | 17:04 |
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| elmiko | since we're talking about it, can we start with OSSN? | 17:04 |
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| tmcpeak | yeah | 17:05 |
| dave-mccowan | o/ | 17:05 |
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| elmiko | this came up on dave-mccowan's review, the issue of service naming and capitalization... | 17:05 |
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| tmcpeak | what's this now? | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | #topic OSSN-0064 | 17:06 |
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| hyakuhei | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300091/ | 17:06 |
| elmiko | what about 0063... ;) | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | I know it’s scrappy, just read the bug today and got very yikes | 17:06 |
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| tmcpeak | lol yeah | 17:06 |
| bknudson | http://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/writing-style/general-writing-guidelines.html | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | 63 is taken per the wiki that or I missed it because I’m dumb | 17:06 |
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| elmiko | bknudson: right, for docs that's true | 17:07 |
| sicarie | OSSNs have always been a bit more informal | 17:07 |
| elmiko | i just wanted to make sure we stay consistent in the notes, i'm totally fine with following that convention but we already have bifurcation of opionoins | 17:07 |
| elmiko | sicarie: exactly, and those doc rules about caps are for official "docs" | 17:07 |
| dg____ | and annoying as hell | 17:08 |
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| sicarie | IMO it's consistency through the note itself - though having a convention to point to for all notes may be useful | 17:08 |
| elmiko | sicarie: +1 | 17:08 |
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| dg____ | +1 | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | I’m not sure which we’ve done historically | 17:09 |
| elmiko | and i happened to notice that hyakuhei was using caps for his note (and stayed internally consistent mind you, hyakuhei++) ;) | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | but certainly we should stick with one | 17:09 |
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| hyakuhei | and whichever it is, add it to our OSSN guidance and template file. | 17:09 |
| dg____ | i think we have historically stuck with the doc standard | 17:09 |
| elmiko | hyakuhei: +1 | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | I think I Will Have Used Caps Because I Always Do | 17:09 |
| elmiko | haha! | 17:10 |
| michaelxin | Gee | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | Just generally that’s how I tend to write things | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | Ok, lets skip past caps for now. I’d appreciate reviews on that | 17:10 |
| dg____ | shouty? | 17:10 |
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| michaelxin | As long as it not all Caps | 17:10 |
| elmiko | ossn, now in all caps for extra emphasis | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | we're kind of a big deal so caps | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | :) | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | but also thank you for writing a note Rob | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | I don't think we've produced many lately | 17:12 |
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| tmcpeak | actually for that matter what's our plan for notes? | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | should we just accumulate a few and batch through them all at midcycle? | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | To write more? | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | I picked a few more bugs for note tasks yesterday | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | Midcycle is 3 months away or more | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | THere’s only 3-4 I at the moment I think but I know there’s at least that many in the pipeline too | 17:14 |
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| gmurphy | might be interesting to see how many folks in opentack-operators ml actually refer to / use these notes. | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | seems like our pool of people that can and have the time to write notes is dwindling a bit | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | I can probably commit to starting one each week, at least progressing them to the stage something like this Keystone one today. | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | gmurphy: ++ | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:14 |
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| elmiko | tmcpeak: is our backlog on notes growing? | 17:15 |
| michaelxin | +1 | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: a bit | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | we've got 5 now | 17:15 |
| elmiko | ok, i can try to pick one up too | 17:15 |
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| elmiko | 2 in process, 3 new. not horrible, but needs to be addressed | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: awesome | 17:16 |
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| hyakuhei | Thanks elmiko | 17:16 |
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| hyakuhei | Like I said, there’s 3-4 that will drop in the next week or so I think (currently embargoed) | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | yep yep | 17:17 |
| michaelxin | I will take one later this week. | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | michaelxin: awesome, thank you | 17:17 |
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| michaelxin | I will ask my guys to take on some too since they are supposed to work full time on upstream projects. | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | I wonder what's the best way to find out if people are using them? | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | and if so how they are using them | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | and if not why not | 17:18 |
| michaelxin | tmcpeak: +1 | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | Thanks michaelxin | 17:18 |
| gmurphy | send out survey? | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | Very harrd to get anything difinitive | 17:18 |
| elmiko | good questions, i like the idea about hitting the operator ml, might also be worth it to have an ossp rep at the operator meetup for summit? | 17:18 |
| dg____ | and whether they even know the notes exist... | 17:18 |
| gmurphy | lol | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | I’d certainly like to know from deployers what we could do to make them more accessible/usable. | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | gmurphy: a survey would be great if we have a forum to do so | 17:19 |
| dg____ | +1 for ops meetup | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | I suspect a part of that may well be the parser/db thing we talked about before | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: +1 | 17:19 |
| elmiko | is there an operators working group or something? | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | if there was a nice portal where you could select your versions and get the relevant notes | 17:20 |
| gmurphy | maybe we crash an ops session at the summit | 17:20 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: ooh, nice +1 | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: that’s the dream ;) | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | I think gmurphy and nkinder both did work in this area. | 17:20 |
| elmiko | gmurphy: yea, would be cool if we could get a moderator to give us a few minutes on the agenda | 17:20 |
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| hyakuhei | We could also have a blog about it | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | and I’ll write one about this keystone issue too | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | this is the kind of thing gmurphy smashes out in like 10 minutes with breakfast | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | (did I do a good job being motivational?) | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | heroic | 17:21 |
| elmiko | lol | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | take the bait gmurphy? :) | 17:21 |
| gmurphy | nah. | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | bah, my game is weak | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | anyway how to make notes better seems like a great topic for the summit | 17:22 |
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| elmiko | +1 | 17:22 |
| gmurphy | i did put on the agenda for the summit sessions about separating the ossa repo so we can have more control over the security.opentack.org content | 17:23 |
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| gmurphy | so could also cover this | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | oh cool | 17:23 |
| gmurphy | as well | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | where is that agenda anyway? | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | the etherpad | 17:23 |
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| hyakuhei | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-20160331-agenda | 17:23 |
| gmurphy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-newton-summit-brainstorm | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | oh sorry, I meant summit sessions | 17:23 |
| gmurphy | is where i put some stuff | 17:23 |
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| tmcpeak | yeah, that's the one | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | allright anything else for notes? | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | Nope | 17:24 |
| elmiko | longest notes discussion evar... | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | lol, yeah | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | anybody talk to nkinder lately btw? | 17:25 |
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| elmiko | not me, sadly | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | :( | 17:25 |
| dg____ | :( | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | I know he's pretty busy doing manager'y things | 17:25 |
| elmiko | i heard from him on email a few days ago, but that's about it | 17:25 |
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| tmcpeak | allright | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Summit Sessions | 17:26 |
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| tmcpeak | probably not much to say here? | 17:26 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: yea, i think he's just up to his eyeballs with internal stuffs | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | we should have some! o/ | 17:26 |
| elmiko | \o/ | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | Defintely should have some :D | 17:26 |
| dg____ | I would like to propose a session on Threat Analysis and a session on PKI | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | BYOK would be interesting. | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | Do it dg____ | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | dg____: yeah we're supposed to do that one with that one project | 17:27 |
| elmiko | we have those both in the etherpad | 17:27 |
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| elmiko | as fishbowls no less | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | I suck with names | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | what was the project we were going to do TA for? | 17:27 |
| elmiko | anchor? | 17:27 |
| sdake | kolla | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | I wonder if we're still on track to do that... | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | Kolla | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | yeah that's the one | 17:27 |
| elmiko | ah, cool | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | sdake that's you, right? | 17:27 |
| dg____ | yeh...no... | 17:27 |
| sdake | kollah as 14 slots at summit | 17:27 |
| dg____ | TA is a way behind | 17:27 |
| sdake | and a full day contributor meetup | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | ooh very cool | 17:28 |
| elmiko | sdake: woof, impressive | 17:28 |
| sdake | lets burn up one or two of our slots for TA | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | awesome! | 17:28 |
| sdake | assuming we want to do that at summit | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | I'm really looking forward to that | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | for sure we do | 17:28 |
| sdake | one or two slots needed? | 17:28 |
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| tmcpeak | how long is a slot? | 17:28 |
| sdake | 40 minutes | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | sdake: that’d be cool | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | I'd say two then | 17:28 |
| michaelxin | nice | 17:28 |
| elmiko | my guess is it cold easily run 2 slots | 17:28 |
| sdake | another optoin is friday for the all day contributor meetup | 17:28 |
| sdake | ok lets do this, lets use 1 slot | 17:29 |
| dg____ | that would be my vote | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | could easily run 5 but 2 should be useful. | 17:29 |
| michaelxin | Friday will not be good. | 17:29 |
| sdake | and then we can use more on friday | 17:29 |
| elmiko | hyakuhei: yea, exactly | 17:29 |
| sdake | becuase we have a super packed agenda already | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool | 17:29 |
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| elmiko | sdake: +1 | 17:29 |
| sdake | so the 1 slot will be an intro to threat analyssis | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | sdake: you have any luck with architecture diagrams yet? | 17:29 |
| sdake | for our team | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | if so we can get an early start on them, would probably make the slot we have more effective | 17:29 |
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| sdake | tmcpeak overloaded but i promise before summit they will be done to prep for this session | 17:29 |
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| tmcpeak | sdake: awesome, thank you | 17:30 |
| elmiko | i almost feel it's more valuable to spend our time empowering the kolla team to run their own initial TA | 17:30 |
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| tmcpeak | please let us know in #openstack-security when they are so we can do our homework | 17:30 |
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| sdake | elmiko the requirements require 3rd party ta | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: it's useful to have security people involved I think | 17:30 |
| sdake | not self-ta | 17:30 |
| elmiko | as a design pattern for how we can do this type of work with other teams | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | sdake: we can help, the earlier the better we can just ask dumb uestions. | 17:30 |
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| sdake | the tagging VMT requriements require third party | 17:30 |
| elmiko | sdake: ah, missed that. is that for the tag? | 17:30 |
| sdake | i think we can meld that into third part y+ the project | 17:31 |
| sdake | right for the tag | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | if we have one slot maybe we should shoot for people having read the blog post on TA for background first | 17:31 |
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| elmiko | my feeling is that initial analysis should be done by the team, then handed off to a 3rd party for review | 17:31 |
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| sdake | provide a link and i'll put it in the agenda | 17:31 |
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| elmiko | mainly to help overcome the domain knowledge gap | 17:31 |
| sdake | elmiko i can bounce that change off the governance repository | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | lol, I can't find any links | 17:32 |
| sdake | elmiko if the security team can come together and agree that is the best way to scale | 17:32 |
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| tmcpeak | one of you have the blog for that? | 17:32 |
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| elmiko | sdake: oh, i'm fine with the ultimate governor being a third party review, but does the whole thing need to be 3rd party? | 17:32 |
| sdake | elmiko as written yes | 17:32 |
| elmiko | ah, gotcha | 17:32 |
| sdake | so lets fix that if thats what you want | 17:32 |
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| sdake | governance repo can be changed | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | sdake: that policy is kind of BS ;) | 17:32 |
| elmiko | well, i'm curious to hear other's thoughts on this too | 17:32 |
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| sdake | tmcpeak lets fix it | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | sdake: makes sense | 17:32 |
| sdake | tmcpeak can you hold a vote or something to see if the security team wants that model | 17:32 |
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| tmcpeak | that being said I do like the nudge to actually do a TA before getting a VMT tag | 17:33 |
| sdake | where the projects do their own threat analysis and hand off to a third party for review | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | 100% | 17:33 |
| sdake | i need irc logs to convince the tc ;-) | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | I don't think most (any?) of the projects have ever done a third party TA | 17:33 |
| elmiko | right. but the question here is, do we as a group agree that the initial TA can be done by the team with a 3rd party review for the final tag, is that sufficient? | 17:33 |
| sdake | tmcpeak ya many have vmt tags with grandfathered status which is a bunch of bs imo | 17:34 |
| sdake | if you want that fixed, vote for me for tc ;) | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | sufficient for what though? I'm saying this requirement is pretty much pie in the sky | 17:34 |
| dg____ | yeh i think so | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | oooh, grandfathered | 17:34 |
| elmiko | i like the idea of the project teams starting the work, hopefully pointing to the areas *they* think are weak. then an external team reviewing the work and doing a further analysis. | 17:34 |
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| hyakuhei | elmiko: I don’t think that the TA process is well documented enough yet to expect teams to be able to do it hands-off | 17:34 |
| dg____ | im a bit wary of fully handing off to project teams, given we havent managed to successfully document a process for performing a TA | 17:34 |
| dg____ | snap lol | 17:34 |
| elmiko | hyakuhei: agreed | 17:34 |
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| elmiko | we'll need to help get the fire burning | 17:35 |
| sdake | i can possib yget a cross project TA session on tuesday | 17:35 |
| sdake | where we can discuss how to do that | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | if we're saying "from now on all projects that are new to VMT will have a TA done" sounds legit to me :) | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei | cool | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei | That would be good | 17:35 |
| elmiko | yea, i agree that currently we can't just "hand this off", which is why i like the idea of these early reviews being an opportunity for the ossp to build educational materials about TA | 17:35 |
| sdake | no gurantees | 17:35 |
| dg____ | elmiko +1 | 17:36 |
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| sdake | you tell me what you want, and i'll make it happen ;) | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: +1 | 17:36 |
| sdake | yuor the security experts here | 17:36 |
| elmiko | for me, the ultimate goal is empowering future teams to start this work on their own, possibly while they are developing their projcets | 17:36 |
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| tmcpeak | sdake: step 1 - architecture diagram(s) step 2 - have a few security conscious people from your team try to do a TA and ask us for any help in the process step 3 - security team will review and give the "third party" stamp | 17:37 |
| sdake | ok so sound slike we have short term which is we work together to define a ta process | 17:37 |
| elmiko | otherwise, i feel we will run into the issues that we've seen with scaling efforts that require a single team to help bless a process. | 17:37 |
| ccneill | o/ sorry I'm late! needed to grab some lunch | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: +1 - we don't have bandwidth to do reviews for all projects | 17:37 |
| elmiko | right | 17:37 |
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| hyakuhei | We have a TA-light process to some extent | 17:37 |
| sdake | tmcpeak right scaling is a problem | 17:37 |
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| hyakuhei | It’s mainly documented in the Anchor blog at the moment | 17:37 |
| elmiko | i really like the idea of doing a session at summit with kolla to help kick this process off, find out what we need to provide, what we will need from teams, etc... | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:37 |
| sdake | ok well i think the next step is to get that on docs.openstack.org | 17:37 |
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| tmcpeak | good point | 17:38 |
| sdake | cross project is all projects | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah it needs to be improved / iterated on first really, which means partnering with a project to develop it | 17:38 |
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| sdake | title of session would be "VMT threat analysis generation" | 17:38 |
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| elmiko | this could definitely grow from an ossp skunkworks type thing into a cp spec | 17:38 |
| sdake | kolla can be that project | 17:38 |
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| sdake | just don't ask me to write a cp spec ;) | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | ok so shall we do this as a security session or a Kolla session? | 17:39 |
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| elmiko | sdake: no, i think we would need to author it | 17:39 |
| sdake | i think you said you only have 3 or 4 sessions | 17:39 |
| sdake | so lets use a kolla session | 17:39 |
| sdake | and a cross project session | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | Kolla have more spare | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | +1 CP | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool | 17:39 |
| sdake | we dont have spare | 17:39 |
| sdake | but we have more capacity | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | s/spare// | 17:39 |
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| sdake | we actually had 25 planned sessions | 17:39 |
| elmiko | whoa! | 17:39 |
| dg____ | wow | 17:39 |
| sdake | ;-) | 17:39 |
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| tmcpeak | so what steps are needed to make sure we can actually pull this off in an organized way at the summit? | 17:40 |
| elmiko | well, containers are hot ;) | 17:40 |
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| sdake | tmcpeak here is my recommendation | 17:40 |
| sdake | we add a cross project session tuesday on scaling the VMT threat analysis process | 17:40 |
| sdake | kolla sessions are wed/thur | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | I don’t think it’s fair to call it that | 17:40 |
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| sdake | hyakuhei come up with a better title nd i'll use it ;) | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | As the VMT has zero involvement and at the moment no agreement to recognise/leverage TA | 17:41 |
| sdake | they do agee to use ta | 17:41 |
| sdake | i got that change in the governance repo ;) | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | Whoop! | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | ok sdake this sounds reasonable | 17:42 |
| sdake | so is scaling th evmt threat analysis process a fair title then? | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | how do we schedule those sessions? | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | I like it | 17:42 |
| sdake | tmcpeak using the corss project wiki | 17:42 |
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| sdake | tmcpeak i could use ptl help from the security team | 17:42 |
| sdake | forgive my ignorance but i'm no tsure which one of you is he ptl :) | 17:42 |
| hyakuhei | So long as the VMT don’t mind yeah. I mean VMT is part of Security anyway | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei is | 17:42 |
| hyakuhei | o/ | 17:42 |
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| tmcpeak | I'm just chatty :P | 17:43 |
| gmurphy | why not s/vmt/ossp/ ? | 17:43 |
| elmiko | good question | 17:43 |
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| dg____ | +1 | 17:43 |
| michaelxin | +1 | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | gmurphy: +1 | 17:43 |
| sdake | someone write a title down in irc since mine was shot down :) | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | vmt probably has more traction but is probably a little missleading . | 17:43 |
| sdake | and i'll work with hyakuhei to make it happen | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | "Scaling the OSSP Threat Analysis Process" | 17:43 |
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| elmiko | scaling the ossp threat analysis process? | 17:44 |
| elmiko | lol | 17:44 |
| elmiko | jinx! | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | ;) | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | All The Caps! | 17:44 |
| gmurphy | wfm | 17:44 |
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| sdake | do we need changess to hte governance repo to streamline things | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | ok so we do that Tuesday and then have a session with Kolla Weds or Thurs and then possible extended work Friday? | 17:44 |
| sdake | or is that a subject for later | 17:44 |
| elmiko | i think we should discuss it out at summit first, before making gov. changes | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | Sounds good. So I can probably throw some real time at this on Monday/Tuesday | 17:44 |
| sdake | tmcpeak sounds good | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool | 17:45 |
| sdake | elmiko ok sounds good | 17:45 |
| hyakuhei | (Refining the process a little as it stands, finishing the anchor documentation) | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool | 17:45 |
| elmiko | i would like to make as many of these sessions as possible, but i have a feeling i will spread thin, yet again.... | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | should we put an action item? | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | for sdake and hyakuhei? | 17:45 |
| hyakuhei | yup | 17:45 |
| sdake | tuesday is ONLY cross project | 17:45 |
| sdake | so we dont have to worry about conflicts then | 17:45 |
| elmiko | cool | 17:46 |
| tmcpeak | #action sdake and hyakuhei to schedule TA sessions at summit | 17:46 |
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| elmiko | i just saw that sahara and ossp sessions are crossed again =( | 17:46 |
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| tmcpeak | :( | 17:46 |
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| elmiko | too many projects syndrome i suppose | 17:46 |
| tmcpeak | allright | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak | this is going to be good | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak | let's run through the rest of the things | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Anchor | 17:47 |
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| tmcpeak | dg____: hyakuhei whatup | 17:47 |
| sdake | can we get docs on security.openstack.org documenting the ta process | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | sdake: Sure can | 17:47 |
| sdake | oops sorry to disrupt | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak | sdake: yes for sure | 17:47 |
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| sdake | if that can happen prior to summit that would help out the cp thing and kolla ta | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: you OK to take that as well? | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | We need to refine it a little more combine what I’ve written with the docs dg____ has put up in the repo already | 17:47 |
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| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: sure | 17:47 |
| sdake | and our ultimate goal of making governance changes | 17:47 |
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| tmcpeak | cool | 17:48 |
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| tmcpeak | #action hyakuhei to get TA process on docs.openstack | 17:48 |
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| hyakuhei | I’d like TA to eventually become a project maturity tag | 17:48 |
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| sdake | hyakuhei i think that is what VMT is :) | 17:48 |
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| elmiko | hyakuhei: that makes sound sense | 17:48 |
| sdake | maybe vmt should depend on a ta tag | 17:49 |
| tmcpeak | I don't think that's the purpose of VMT but probably a decent side effect ;) | 17:49 |
| sdake | these are probably discussions for the corss project session | 17:49 |
| elmiko | something to consider, #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/220712/ | 17:49 |
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| tmcpeak | oh for the sec guide? | 17:49 |
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| elmiko | any help there is welcomed | 17:49 |
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| elmiko | that's what is up now, but maybe it should live somewhere else eventually. i think we just decided that sec-guide was a good place to start | 17:50 |
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| elmiko | plus, now that it's all rst, we can link from anywhere | 17:50 |
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| tmcpeak | sec guide is mostly for deployers though yeah? | 17:51 |
| elmiko | although, maybe that TA is more user facing and less developer facing, should we have 2 sets of TA stuff? (sounds like a lot) | 17:51 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: yea, exactly | 17:51 |
| elmiko | i think there is some overlap | 17:51 |
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| tmcpeak | yeah TA should definitely be done by both | 17:51 |
| elmiko | right, but the process will be similar? | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | but the guidance should be different | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | in some wayss | 17:52 |
| elmiko | ok, i can get that | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | process is the same but the kind of things you're looking at are different I think | 17:52 |
| elmiko | we probably need to hash this out more | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | yeah | 17:52 |
| elmiko | maybe something on ml? | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | sure | 17:52 |
| elmiko | (since we're chewing through valuable meeting time) | 17:52 |
| elmiko | ok, i'll put together an email to get the ball rolling | 17:53 |
| tmcpeak | ok | 17:53 |
| tmcpeak | thanks elmiko | 17:53 |
| tmcpeak | ok, not much time so | 17:53 |
| tmcpeak | #topic AOB | 17:53 |
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| hyakuhei | thanks elmiko | 17:53 |
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| tmcpeak | Bandit is really creeping on 1.0 | 17:53 |
| hyakuhei | :) | 17:53 |
| tmcpeak | I think tkelsey is thinking about this week | 17:53 |
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| tmcpeak | exciting times! | 17:53 |
| browne | looks like we just need to resolve the sahara issue in the integration | 17:54 |
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| michaelxin | mdong and ccneil are working hard on Syntribos | 17:54 |
| mdong | and rahulunair! | 17:54 |
| tmcpeak | you guys want to do a Syntribos update? | 17:54 |
| elmiko | yup, just waiting on our testing then i'm gonna workflow it | 17:54 |
| tmcpeak | I've seen lots of activity in #openstack-security | 17:54 |
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| mdong | Sure, yeah as you can see from all our spam in #openstack-security we’ve been busy on Syntribos | 17:54 |
| michaelxin | We are also talking about add a broken API with security defects for testing purpose. | 17:54 |
| mdong | we’ve gone through our blueprints page | 17:55 |
| michaelxin | We have something started | 17:55 |
| mdong | and prioritized everything so the community can have a better idea of what we’re working on | 17:55 |
| tmcpeak | michaelxin: oh very cool | 17:56 |
| tmcpeak | like a Syntribos test bed? | 17:56 |
| michaelxin | yes | 17:56 |
| tmcpeak | that's a great idea | 17:56 |
| michaelxin | It can also be sued to educate developers about security coding. | 17:56 |
| mdong | we originally wrote it for a workshop here at Rackspace | 17:56 |
| elmiko | nice, great idea | 17:56 |
| mdong | https://github.com/mattvaldes/vulnerable-api/ | 17:56 |
| hyakuhei | Good point | 17:56 |
| tmcpeak | cool! | 17:57 |
| michaelxin | Matthew Valdes started this project. | 17:57 |
| michaelxin | We want to add more to this. | 17:57 |
| michaelxin | Just want to get you guys's opinion | 17:57 |
| elmiko | that vuln list is awesome | 17:57 |
| michaelxin | Thanks. | 17:58 |
| michaelxin | Need to run. | 17:58 |
| hyakuhei | LGTM! | 17:58 |
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| michaelxin | Ping me at security channel if you want to talk more about this. | 17:58 |
| michaelxin | bye | 17:59 |
| tmcpeak | awesome | 17:59 |
| elmiko | later michaelxin | 17:59 |
| tmcpeak | I think that's a wrap | 17:59 |
| dg____ | kk | 17:59 |
| tmcpeak | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 31 17:59:17 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| tmcpeak | thanks everybody! | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-03-31-17.00.html | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-03-31-17.00.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-03-31-17.00.log.html | 17:59 |
| elmiko | thanks tmcpeak hyakuhei ! | 17:59 |
| ccneill | o/ | 17:59 |
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| gmurphy | thanks fellas | 17:59 |
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| elmiko | #startmeeting sahara | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 31 18:00:44 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is elmiko. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:00 |
| egafford | o/ | 18:00 |
| esikachev | hi! | 18:00 |
| elmiko | hi | 18:00 |
| mionkin | hi | 18:01 |
| elmiko | #chair vgridnev SergeyLukjanov | 18:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SergeyLukjanov elmiko vgridnev | 18:01 |
| elmiko | give folks a few minutes to arrive | 18:01 |
| tmckay | hi | 18:01 |
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| elmiko | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 18:01 |
| vgridnev | hi | 18:01 |
| tosky | hi | 18:01 |
| pgadiya | hello | 18:01 |
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| Poornima | Hello | 18:02 |
| elmiko | looks like our agenda is little out of date, but we'll wade through it ;) | 18:02 |
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| elmiko | #topic News / updates | 18:02 |
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| elmiko | so, what's everyone working on? | 18:02 |
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| tosky | migrating the sahara tempest API tests to sahara-tests | 18:03 |
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| tosky | (and I'm at the point were I require a step from SergeyLukjanov ) | 18:03 |
| elmiko | ah, we'll just have to keep poking him ;) | 18:03 |
| vgridnev | I'm was busy with internal tasks, cleaning blueprints and so on.. | 18:03 |
| tmckay | I am testing mostly, and still working on fp refactoring in the background (neutron testing done for that, starting nova) | 18:03 |
| esikachev | i am working on improvement scenario-framework, added ability use environment variables as credentials | 18:04 |
| elmiko | tosky: maybe worth sending something to the ml? | 18:04 |
| esikachev | and nightly jobs) | 18:04 |
| egafford | Just got back from an unexpected leave of absence since mid-February; sorry about that everyone. :/ Ramping back up on where we are now to start getting back into a review cycle. | 18:04 |
| elmiko | i've got another api v2 review in-flight with more to come. i could use some reviews =D | 18:04 |
| Poornima | elmiko, getting hands on API Version 2 Development | 18:04 |
| elmiko | Poornima: great! | 18:04 |
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| Poornima | elmiko, thanks for adding us to review links | 18:05 |
| elmiko | Poornima: i added you and pgadiya to the apiv2 reviews i have up now | 18:05 |
| elmiko | hehe, np =) | 18:05 |
| tosky | elmiko: yes, could be; the last email I sent has some hints,in addition to NO MERGE IN SAHARA-TESTS FOR NOW PLEASE | 18:05 |
| Poornima | :) | 18:05 |
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| pgadiya | a. Working on understanding the flow for sahara API's and should have a patch soon w.r.t API v2 | 18:05 |
| pgadiya | b. identifying the changes required for supporting HDP 2.4 and will work with Sergey's team for the same | 18:05 |
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| crobertsrh | I've been working on a few dashboard bugs, mostly of the cleanup variety | 18:06 |
| vgridnev | pgadiya, about b, please contact me about this one | 18:06 |
| Poornima | pgadiya, good move | 18:06 |
| pgadiya | vgridnev, sure | 18:06 |
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| elmiko | excellent, sounds like some great work underway | 18:07 |
| elmiko | i see no actions from the previous meeting, and i think we've done the community roadmap stuff as well as FFEs | 18:08 |
| tosky | and I have a related question for vgridnev - shouldn't you also be in the sahara.*-release teams on gerrit, or is the role independent from being PTL? | 18:08 |
| vgridnev | tosky, I was planning to discuss that tomorrow with SergeyLukjanov | 18:08 |
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| elmiko | ok, speaking of that | 18:09 |
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| elmiko | #topic Mitaka release | 18:09 |
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| elmiko | is there anything to discuss here? | 18:09 |
| tosky | that we are almost done? | 18:09 |
| tosky | luckily | 18:09 |
| elmiko | vgridnev, SergeyLukjanov | 18:09 |
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| elmiko | hehe, tosky +1 | 18:10 |
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| vgridnev | I know that today Mitaka RC2 was published | 18:10 |
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| vgridnev | looks like it's going | 18:10 |
| elmiko | nice! | 18:10 |
| vgridnev | let's move on | 18:11 |
| elmiko | k | 18:11 |
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| elmiko | #topic API v2 progress | 18:11 |
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| elmiko | ok | 18:11 |
| elmiko | so, i've got a change up currently that will help with the progress | 18:11 |
| elmiko | basically it will refactor our service layer for the api | 18:11 |
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| elmiko | making it a little more standardized and hopefully easier to understand for new contributors | 18:12 |
| elmiko | as well as helping with multiple api versions | 18:12 |
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| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298368/ | 18:12 |
| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298464/ | 18:12 |
| elmiko | any help with those is greatly appreciated =D | 18:13 |
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| vgridnev | I can review that | 18:13 |
| elmiko | any questions or comments? | 18:13 |
| vgridnev | I think no | 18:14 |
| elmiko | k | 18:14 |
| elmiko | moving on | 18:14 |
| elmiko | #topic Scenario tests releases | 18:14 |
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| elmiko | esikachev, tosky, anything to discuss here? | 18:14 |
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| esikachev | we are started discuss in #openstack-sahara | 18:15 |
| tosky | I think that last time we said that we could have a release at the same time of Mitaka | 18:15 |
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| elmiko | ok, great | 18:15 |
| tosky | anyway, given that sahara-tests is not linked to the big cycle, we can always release newer versions if required | 18:15 |
| elmiko | i saw you guys had a big conversation in openstack-sahara, anything the group should know about? | 18:15 |
| elmiko | yea | 18:15 |
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| tosky | the conversation earlier was about the sahara API tests import; we could decide to release sahara-tests before that import anyway, and re-release again after, in the worst case | 18:16 |
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| elmiko | especially if we are decoupling the release schedules | 18:17 |
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| elmiko | ok, great | 18:17 |
| elmiko | moving along | 18:17 |
| tosky | related to the import, please check my last email: for now I need people in sahara-release (for now just SergeyLukjanov , maybe tomorrow also vgridnev :) to create a branch | 18:17 |
| tosky | and again PLEASE DON'T MERGE THINGS IN SAHARA-TESTS FOR NOW | 18:17 |
| tosky | no +2 there | 18:17 |
| elmiko | k, thanks | 18:17 |
| vgridnev | sure, tosky | 18:18 |
| elmiko | do we need to add another release core or something for the tests repo? | 18:18 |
| esikachev | we really need save history in date order? | 18:18 |
| elmiko | (well i guess vgridnev, lol) | 18:18 |
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| elmiko | esikachev: i'm not sure | 18:18 |
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| tosky | uhm, I should draw a diagram - it's not a matter of date order | 18:19 |
| vgridnev | elmiko, I want to add to sahara-tests-core tosky and esikachev, actually | 18:19 |
| tosky | it's a matter of how the history diagram looks like | 18:19 |
| elmiko | vgridnev: that sounds like a good idea | 18:19 |
| elmiko | tosky: not a simple single history? | 18:19 |
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| tosky | elmiko: no, not a simple one; if you clone my test repository (see previous email) and use a graphical tool to check the history you will see how it looks like | 18:20 |
| esikachev | tosky: As far as I understand, you do not want to use cherry-pick to master branch for saving date-order | 18:20 |
| elmiko | tosky: ack | 18:21 |
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| tosky | esikachev: for saving the information on how that code was developed | 18:21 |
| tosky | vgridnev: and thanks! | 18:21 |
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| esikachev | but if you add this commit to sahara-tests master this information will be saved too | 18:22 |
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| esikachev | I'm right? | 18:23 |
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| esikachev | 38 cherry pick to sahara-tests | 18:23 |
| tosky | no, it's going to be different | 18:23 |
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| tosky | as I said before on sahara-tests, it really takes less to do it than to discuss it; the big slowness here came from the bureaucratic steps | 18:24 |
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| elmiko | ok, let's move along then | 18:24 |
| elmiko | #topic Newton summit topics | 18:24 |
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| elmiko | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-newton-summit | 18:24 |
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| elmiko | i hope everyone has had a chance to take a look and suggest something | 18:24 |
| elmiko | if not, please do =) | 18:24 |
| elmiko | looks like we have a nice list building there | 18:25 |
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| elmiko | i'm not sure when we need to fill out the summit schedule by, but we probably have to pick which we are going to discuss and fill in the entries | 18:25 |
| elmiko | this is probably a vgridnev task, with support from SergeyLukjanov | 18:25 |
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| elmiko | maybe if folks could put their names next to topics they find interesting, we can develop some consensus about which sessions we will have? | 18:26 |
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| vgridnev | I think that I will grant this to SergeyLukjanov, since I have some kind of doubts with visa | 18:27 |
| elmiko | ok | 18:27 |
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| elmiko | so, for the moment we are probably good as we have 8 slots and 8 topics proposed ;) | 18:27 |
| elmiko | but, like i said, please take a look folks and add any topics you may find interesting to talk about | 18:28 |
| elmiko | or, if you won't be at summit, topics you'd like us to discuss | 18:28 |
| elmiko | #topic Revisiting Sahara Blueprints | 18:28 |
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| elmiko | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-bp-revisit | 18:28 |
| elmiko | vgridnev: is this yours? | 18:28 |
| vgridnev | yep | 18:28 |
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| vgridnev | I want to say that I cleaned some obsolete blueprints and completed, now we have only 2 pages with bps | 18:29 |
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| elmiko | wow | 18:29 |
| elmiko | and thanks ;) | 18:29 |
| tosky | oh, great | 18:30 |
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| vgridnev | I will try to prepare some list of bps to discuss | 18:30 |
| elmiko | great! | 18:30 |
| vgridnev | let's move on | 18:30 |
| elmiko | k | 18:30 |
| elmiko | #topic Open discussion | 18:30 |
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| elmiko | anyone have something to bring up? | 18:30 |
| elmiko | or, shall we reclaim ~30 minutes of our days ;) | 18:31 |
| tmckay | nothing from me, I'm okay with reclaim | 18:31 |
| elmiko | hehe, ok | 18:31 |
| * Poornima is sleepy :) | 18:31 | |
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| elmiko | 30 seconds, then i close meeting | 18:31 |
| elmiko | .... | 18:32 |
| elmiko | 5 | 18:32 |
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| vgridnev | 1 min | 18:32 |
| elmiko | 1 | 18:32 |
| elmiko | thanks everyone! | 18:32 |
| elmiko | #endmeeting | 18:32 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 31 18:32:44 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-03-31-18.00.html | 18:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-03-31-18.00.txt | 18:32 |
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