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| moshele | hi | 13:00 |
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| lbeliveau | hi moshele | 13:01 |
| ndipanov | hello | 13:01 |
| lbeliveau | hi | 13:01 |
| vladikr__ | hi | 13:01 |
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| ndipanov_ | sorry got kicked off | 13:06 |
| ndipanov_ | did someone start the meeting? | 13:06 |
| vladikr | nope | 13:06 |
| ndipanov_ | #startmeeting sriov | 13:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 1 13:06:50 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ndipanov_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:06 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sriov' | 13:06 |
| ndipanov_ | awesome | 13:07 |
| ndipanov_ | ok so I thought we should talk about pending patches | 13:07 |
| ndipanov_ | and any bugs that are bad enough we wanna try and get them in for Mitaka | 13:07 |
| ndipanov_ | I thought we could use https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sriov_meeting_agenda | 13:07 |
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| ndipanov_ | to list the reviews that might be pending | 13:08 |
| ndipanov_ | I don't think a lot of bugfixes are going to realistically get merged this week | 13:08 |
| lbeliveau | I have two pending, let me put them on the etherpad | 13:08 |
| ndipanov_ | as it's FF week | 13:08 |
| ndipanov_ | lbeliveau, please do | 13:08 |
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| lbeliveau | the first one is and easy one, you put +2 on it, I guess it just need another core to double check | 13:09 |
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| ndipanov_ | yeah so let me re-arrange that :) | 13:10 |
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| ndipanov_ | lbeliveau, ok I remember the first one - I know johnthetubaguy has looked at it before so we'll ping him once the FF craze is over | 13:12 |
| lbeliveau | perfect thanks | 13:12 |
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| ndipanov_ | anything else on the pending patches front? | 13:15 |
| lbeliveau | I'm good | 13:15 |
| vladikr | I have one | 13:16 |
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| vladikr | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283198/4 | 13:16 |
| ndipanov_ | vladikr, yeah I saw it - will try to review that one today as well | 13:16 |
| vladikr | great, thanks | 13:16 |
| ndipanov_ | so there is also this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242087/ | 13:16 |
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| ndipanov_ | I've seen this refactoring before, and jaypipes mentioned it as well | 13:17 |
| lbeliveau | vladikr: have you see my comment about if the fix needs to be applied anywhere else in the compute manager for cleanup ? | 13:17 |
| ndipanov_ | but haven't really looked at it | 13:17 |
| vladikr | lbeliveau, oh, yes, sorry.. | 13:17 |
| lbeliveau | vladdikr: just a question. no worries :) | 13:18 |
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| vladikr | lbeliveau, I was trying to look into that, but I don't see any other places where this would apply | 13:18 |
| ndipanov_ | anyone else looked at that? | 13:18 |
| lbeliveau | I looked at it | 13:18 |
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| ndipanov_ | ok lbeliveau I see you commented quite recently | 13:19 |
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| ndipanov_ | is that one on track for FF? | 13:20 |
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| ndipanov_ | lbeliveau, do you have any thoughts? | 13:20 |
| ndipanov_ | that you would like to share :) | 13:20 |
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| lbeliveau | Should ask jay pipes, I think this patch is part of multiple patches for remove pci stats, dunno if it's finished or not | 13:22 |
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| ndipanov_ | lbeliveau, right, but what is your take on the work? | 13:22 |
| * ndipanov_ hasn't really looked at it tbh | 13:22 | |
| lbeliveau | I think it makes senses just to keep pci devices and get away from pci stats | 13:23 |
| ndipanov_ | lbeliveau, but won't that make us query ALL the pci devices ever in the scheduler | 13:24 |
| ndipanov_ | which is potentially 10s of thousands of rows? | 13:24 |
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| ndipanov_ | I guess I should look at the series | 13:25 |
| lbeliveau | it's part of the blueprint for uniform resource provides, haven't follow that closely and wasn't part of the discussions | 13:26 |
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| ndipanov_ | ok I'll try to wrap my head around it today | 13:27 |
| ndipanov_ | I see that there is a bug that it fixes too - will look at that as well | 13:28 |
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| ndipanov_ | just looking at the list of bugs there seems to be nothing critical other than resize which we know doesn't work | 13:29 |
| lbeliveau | ndipanov: what do you want to do about this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242573, if you have more comments I can work on it today | 13:29 |
| ndipanov_ | I was going to look at it if I get a chance after I'm done with some live migration stuff I am trying to figure out | 13:30 |
| lbeliveau | great | 13:30 |
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| ndipanov_ | lbeliveau, yeah I have that on my list - I think I was happy with it mostly but it's a big patch so I didn't vote :( | 13:30 |
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| ndipanov_ | moshele, https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1400574 <- can we mark that one as incomplete? | 13:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1400574 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Create VMs sometimes failure when use mellonax nic as SR-IOV" [Low,Confirmed] - Assigned to KaiLin (linkai3) | 13:30 |
| lbeliveau | I understand, let me know | 13:30 |
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| moshele | yes | 13:31 |
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| moshele | ndipanov_: he didn't respond to my question | 13:32 |
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| ndipanov_ | moshele, yeah | 13:32 |
| ndipanov_ | so I was looking at this | 13:32 |
| ndipanov_ | http://bit.ly/1QjJuVf | 13:32 |
| ndipanov_ | this is basically a search for pci in nova bugs | 13:32 |
| ndipanov_ | but that might not get all the bugs we care about | 13:32 |
| ndipanov_ | for example neutron integration | 13:33 |
| jaypipes | lbeliveau: in progress | 13:33 |
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| ndipanov_ | so if there are some bugs that you are aware of that we should bump in priority and try to get fixed in M - that would be awesome | 13:34 |
| moshele | so here are all neutron sr-iov bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=sriov-pci-pt | 13:34 |
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| moshele | ndipanov_: we should fix the migration issue so I guess lbeliveau https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242573 is important | 13:36 |
| lbeliveau | right, after it get merged, I proposed myself to look at the resize issue | 13:37 |
| ndipanov_ | moshele, yeah I guess so - it's really annoying that it's there | 13:37 |
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| ndipanov | ok well if that's all we have | 13:38 |
| ndipanov | let's get back to reviewing/coding and hopefully get these in soon | 13:39 |
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| ndipanov | we could add an sriov tag to bugs | 13:39 |
| ndipanov | to make it easier to track | 13:39 |
| ndipanov | I might do that and go back and tag useful bugs with it | 13:40 |
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| vladikr | ndipanov, looks like that series https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242087/ | 13:40 |
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| ndipanov | vladikr, yeah | 13:41 |
| vladikr | ndipanov, completely removes all of the vf-pf stuff | 13:41 |
| vladikr | :) | 13:41 |
| ndipanov | lol nice | 13:41 |
| ndipanov | back to the drawing board | 13:41 |
| lbeliveau | jeez | 13:41 |
| vladikr | yeah, going to look at this closely today | 13:41 |
| ndipanov | vladikr, please do - I will too | 13:41 |
| vladikr | maybe I'm missing something | 13:41 |
| lbeliveau | I couldn't follow your work on that (was busy on prodcut stuff), but let me know if I can help | 13:42 |
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| ndipanov | lbeliveau, well the main drawback of that approach is that it's not used in consume_requests which means there will be races | 13:43 |
| ndipanov | that approach = vladik's series | 13:43 |
| ndipanov | otherwise it's very contained | 13:44 |
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| ndipanov | and straightforward | 13:44 |
| ndipanov | lbeliveau, but please if you get a chance take a look at it and even take it for a spin | 13:44 |
| ndipanov | and report any bugs that you find | 13:44 |
| lbeliveau | vladikr: what is your series in question ? | 13:45 |
| ndipanov | lbeliveau, it's merged already | 13:45 |
| vladikr | lbeliveau, I should have a link somewhere.. sec | 13:45 |
| ndipanov | but I think gerrit doesn't keep links between patches once they merge | 13:45 |
| ndipanov | vladikr, but if you have all the links... | 13:46 |
| vladikr | ndipanov, yeah, it's messed up | 13:46 |
| vladikr | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:pf-neutron-port | 13:46 |
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| lbeliveau | thanks, will have a look, will be helpful to get perspective for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242087/ | 13:47 |
| vladikr | lbeliveau, thanks | 13:48 |
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| ndipanov | ok cool - let's give ourselves 10 min back | 13:49 |
| ndipanov | chat in 2 weeks - I am assuming the topic will be the same - so keep an eye out for bugs :) | 13:50 |
| ndipanov | bye folks | 13:50 |
| vladikr | ndipanov, thanks | 13:50 |
| lbeliveau | bye guys | 13:50 |
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| vladikr | bye | 13:50 |
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| ndipanov | #endmeeting sriov | 13:51 |
| ndipanov | err.. | 13:51 |
| ndipanov | that didn't work | 13:52 |
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| dprince | #startmeeting tripleo | 14:01 |
| openstack | dprince: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 14:01 |
| d0ugal | o/ | 14:01 |
| shardy | o/ | 14:01 |
| jdob | o/ | 14:01 |
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| michchap | o/ | 14:01 |
| adarazs | \o | 14:01 |
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| derekh | the last meeting needs to be ended first | 14:02 |
| derekh | #endmeeting | 14:02 |
| trown | ruh roh | 14:02 |
| dprince | derekh: I think it needs to come from the person who started the meeting | 14:02 |
| gfidente | o/ | 14:03 |
| hrybacki | o/ | 14:03 |
| slagle | ndipanov: can you #endmeeting? | 14:03 |
| derekh | ndipanov_ ^^ | 14:03 |
| jdob | this is the openstack equivalent of turf wars | 14:03 |
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| dprince | slagle: I don't think it was him either | 14:03 |
| * leanderthal starts the west side story soundtrack | 14:03 | |
| derekh | ndipanov: I guess it didn't end because you started it as "ndipanov_" | 14:03 |
| leanderthal | *snap snap* | 14:03 |
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| ndipanov_ | #endmeeting sriov | 14:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 1 14:04:26 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sriov/2016/sriov.2016-03-01-13.06.html | 14:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sriov/2016/sriov.2016-03-01-13.06.txt | 14:04 |
| d0ugal | lol | 14:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sriov/2016/sriov.2016-03-01-13.06.log.html | 14:04 |
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| dprince | #startmeeting tripleo | 14:04 |
| d0ugal | derekh++ | 14:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 1 14:04:37 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dprince. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 14:04 |
| derekh | \o/ | 14:04 |
| dprince | hello :) | 14:04 |
| akrivoka | hiya \o | 14:04 |
| shardy | hi! | 14:05 |
| rbrady | :) | 14:05 |
| gfidente | derekh++ | 14:05 |
| gfidente | I am speechless | 14:05 |
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| adarazs | l33t hack! | 14:05 |
| derekh | ;-) say nothing | 14:05 |
| leanderthal | o/ | 14:05 |
| d0ugal | o/ | 14:05 |
| trown | o/ | 14:05 |
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| hrybacki | o/ | 14:06 |
| leanderthal | derekh++ | 14:06 |
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| dprince | #topic agenda | 14:07 |
| dprince | * bugs | 14:07 |
| dprince | * Projects releases or stable backports | 14:07 |
| dprince | * CI | 14:07 |
| dprince | * Specs | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:07 | |
| dprince | * one off agenda items | 14:07 |
| dprince | * open discussion | 14:07 |
| dprince | there on no on off agenda items this week I think | 14:07 |
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| dprince | anything else to add to the agenda before we start? | 14:07 |
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| shardy | dprince: I'd like to discuss when we branch for mitaka RC, but that can be in the releases/stable section | 14:07 |
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| dprince | shardy: cool | 14:08 |
| dprince | lets go | 14:09 |
| dprince | #topic bugs | 14:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:09 | |
| saneax | Hello \o | 14:09 |
| dprince | There were a couple IPv4 network isolation bugs fixed this week | 14:09 |
| dprince | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1551048 | 14:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1551048 in tripleo "network validation tests fail: No module named ipaddr" [Critical,Fix released] - Assigned to Dan Prince (dan-prince) | 14:10 |
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| dprince | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1550380 | 14:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1550380 in tripleo "network isolation broken when SoftwareConfigTransport == POLL_TEMP_URL" [Critical,Fix released] - Assigned to Dan Prince (dan-prince) | 14:10 |
| dprince | both of those should be fixed. I was surprised to see that IPv4 network isolation has probably been broken for some time | 14:10 |
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| marios | o/ joining late cos other call | 14:11 |
| dprince | locally IPv4 netiso is working for me again | 14:11 |
| * bandini waves | 14:11 | |
| shardy | dprince: the second one looks worrying from an upgrade perspective, e.g 20-os-net-config still isn't owned by any package is it? | 14:11 |
| shardy | so if (as I think stevebaker wanted) we switch to tempurl on upgrade, things may break? | 14:12 |
| dprince | shardy: I don't think it effects upgrades unless you also switch to Heat TEMP URL's | 14:12 |
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| dprince | shardy: and then you could push a new 20-os-net-config with the artifacts patch | 14:12 |
| shardy | dprince: Ok, just something to bear in mind, looks like the patch switching transports for liberty stalled: | 14:13 |
| shardy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257657/ | 14:13 |
| dprince | shardy: basically you'd create a tarball and use t-h-t to extract that tarball | 14:13 |
| shardy | dprince: ack, I guess provided we document it in the upgrade/release notes for mitaka all should be OK then | 14:14 |
| ndipanov | derekh, ugh sorry guys my bad | 14:14 |
| dprince | on a related note I'd really like to see us get any sort of IPv4 network isolation CI job in place ASAP https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273424/ | 14:14 |
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| derekh | ndipanov: no prob, we got there in the end | 14:14 |
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| shardy | switching away from 20-os-net-config ref https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271450/, or at least getting it packaged seems like a better plan long term to me tho | 14:14 |
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| dprince | shardy: yep | 14:15 |
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| dprince | okay, any other bugs to talk about this week? | 14:15 |
| dprince | the puppet-keystone fix blocking master has landed (keystone-manage bootstrap, etc.) | 14:16 |
| dprince | derekh mentioned to me earlier that we actually had 2 of the master periodic jobs pass for the first time I think last night | 14:16 |
| shardy | \o/ | 14:17 |
| derekh | dprince: yup, http://tripleo.org/cistatus-periodic.html | 14:17 |
| slagle | dprince: it did, but we had to also patch tht to not use it | 14:17 |
| slagle | or, EmilienM did rather | 14:17 |
| slagle | dprince: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1551501 | 14:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1551501 in tripleo "CI: HA jobs failing with Error: /Stage[main]/Keystone/Exec[keystone-manage bootstrap]: Failed to call refresh: keystone-manage bootstrap --bootstrap-password <password> returned 1 instead of one of [0]" [Critical,Fix released] - Assigned to Emilien Macchi (emilienm) | 14:17 |
| dprince | right, and now that https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1551501 is fixed the HA job should pass again. | 14:17 |
| EmilienM | but you're going to have boostrap issues when you'll update keystone | 14:18 |
| dprince | EmilienM: I see. SO the master job will still be failing | 14:18 |
| dprince | EmilienM: for the HA job we just need to run the bootstrap manually then? | 14:18 |
| dprince | EmilienM: or later in the steps? | 14:19 |
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| EmilienM | dprince: I don't know, we need testing | 14:19 |
| dprince | okay, so it sounds like the HA job for master is still broken to me. I guess we'll see what happens | 14:19 |
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| dprince | #topic CI | 14:20 |
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| dprince | It is my understanding we are hitting memory issues with a couple new patches | 14:21 |
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| derekh | dprince: yup, the patch for aodh and gnocchi | 14:21 |
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| dprince | slagle, derekh: and we think that using a bit of swap may help get things passing? until we can get more memory added to our nodes | 14:21 |
| shardy | We also need to decide if we're going to disable the containers job ref https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285325/ | 14:21 |
| slagle | dprince: it's a theory anyway | 14:22 |
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| derekh | dprince: we can bump it a little, but would like to find out what exactly needs the RAM first, also if swap works then great ;-) | 14:22 |
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| slagle | dprince: we'd need to get the swap patch fixed up, base the aodh/gnocchi patches on that, and then see how performance is affected | 14:22 |
| derekh | yup, what slagle said | 14:23 |
| dprince | shardy: +A for disabling contains (for now) | 14:23 |
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| dprince | slagle: agree, lets go with this plan | 14:23 |
| derekh | I've been mostly concentrating on CIv3.0 stuff, but at a quick glance, things seem to be ticking along at the moment, although the HA job seems to be failing too much... | 14:23 |
| slagle | ok, will push up another revision to the swap patch | 14:23 |
| slagle | i'm thinking i will leave it not used by default, since it's not really a production configuration, but then we can create a custom env in CI to use it | 14:24 |
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| rhallisey | dprince, oh by the way | 14:24 |
| rhallisey | I almost have the gate fixed | 14:24 |
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| dprince | rhallisey: nice, a simple revert gets contains back in the mix... | 14:25 |
| rhallisey | yup just letting you know | 14:25 |
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| derekh | next I want to get the periodic job to push artifacts to a mirror-server, would be good if somebody could look over the patch series to enable the mirror server https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/tripleo-ci+branch:master+topic:mirror-server | 14:25 |
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| derekh | hit a merge conflict earlier today /me will ifx | 14:26 |
| dprince | derekh: nice | 14:26 |
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| dprince | I will try and review it | 14:26 |
| derekh | dprince: thanks | 14:27 |
| dprince | #topic Projects releases or stable backports | 14:27 |
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| dprince | shardy: you wanted to mention Mitaka branches? | 14:27 |
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| slagle | #info slagle plans to do stable liberty/releases later today | 14:28 |
| dprince | slagle: ack, thanks | 14:28 |
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| shardy | dprince: yup, it's nearly RC time for other projects: | 14:30 |
| shardy | #link http://releases.openstack.org/mitaka/schedule.html | 14:30 |
| shardy | and although we've not done milestone releases, I'd like to propose we do an RC release, which will also enable us to branch for N in ~2weeks | 14:30 |
| shardy | which may also unblock some features expected to progress in early N | 14:30 |
| shardy | #link https://github.com/openstack/releases | 14:30 |
| shardy | what do folks think? | 14:30 |
| shardy | e.g can we land all the remaining features in the next 7-10 days then declare a RC1? | 14:30 |
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| trown | what are the remaining features? | 14:31 |
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| jistr | the main ones are probably IPv6, SSL, and upgrades? | 14:31 |
| slagle | and satellite 5 support, although that is only one patch | 14:31 |
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| marios | jistr: any outstanding integrations? | 14:31 |
| bnemec | SSL is already in master. | 14:32 |
| michchap | I'd like to get opendaylight merged if possible | 14:32 |
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| derekh | In order to be able to test it, we'll need to coordinate with #rdo so we have a repository to use | 14:32 |
| marios | jistr: (sorry wasn't really a question, i meant 'these too') | 14:32 |
| dprince | shardy: given that we don't actually have CI to cover any of those (yet) I'm questioning if we can do this in 2 weeks | 14:32 |
| jistr | marios: yeah. there are some patches from bigswitch to os-net-config pending, and stable/liberty backport of opencontrail i think | 14:32 |
| bnemec | The other problem with this timing is that we're going to be simultaneously pushing backports for the downstream release that is due at about the same time. | 14:32 |
| jistr | marios: might be more than that | 14:32 |
| marios | shardy: how stable the ci is over those days is crucial | 14:32 |
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| bnemec | Hmm, lost shardy. | 14:33 |
| derekh | should I change my nick again? | 14:34 |
| dprince | derekh: please do so we can move on | 14:34 |
| derekh | ;-) | 14:34 |
| dprince | no, maybe he'll re-join in a minute | 14:35 |
| dprince | sounds like there is concern 7-10 days is to soon for a Mitaka branch though | 14:35 |
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| trown | what is the alternative though? | 14:35 |
| shardy | gah, poorly timed network outage :( | 14:35 |
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| dprince | trown: alternative would be to actually create CI jobs (upstream) which test these features before we claim them as features on a stable Mitaka branch | 14:36 |
| trown | if we do not put out a RC with the rest of openstack, then it makes it pretty impossible to release tripleo in RDO with the rest of openstack | 14:36 |
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| derekh | shardy: http://paste.openstack.org/show/488759/ | 14:36 |
| shardy | http://paste.openstack.org/show/488760/ is what I wrote fwiw | 14:36 |
| dprince | trown: or we cut a release and don't claim any of the new features we aren't testing | 14:36 |
| shardy | derekh: thanks :) | 14:36 |
| trown | dprince: I would be more into that | 14:36 |
| trown | the release schedule is not arbitrary | 14:37 |
| slagle | trown: do you know when the rdo mitaka repos will be up? | 14:37 |
| slagle | will that happen at rc1 as well? | 14:38 |
| dprince | shardy: I like the motivation for this in that it opens up master again for architectural work | 14:38 |
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| trown | slagle: that is when we could start working on it, but RDO aims to release within 1 week of upstream | 14:38 |
| dprince | shardy: i.e. composable service roles | 14:38 |
| dprince | and split stack | 14:38 |
| shardy | dprince: yup, and it also makes it much better for those consuming tripleo IMO, as trown has indicated | 14:39 |
| dprince | shardy: my concern is that I don't want to see everyone slam down a bunch of code that probably isn't working (upstream anyways) | 14:39 |
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| dprince | shardy: so if the plan is to cut the branch without the code-slamming then I'm probably fine | 14:40 |
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| shardy | it probably implies a big push on reviews over the next week tho I guess | 14:40 |
| shardy | re the CI thing, we can announce features as experimental if they don't have CI coverage? | 14:40 |
| dprince | shardy: yes, but my concern w/ things like IPv6 network isolation is that by landing those patches we'll just break IPv4 (again) | 14:41 |
| dprince | shardy: because we still don't have the CI job on that... | 14:41 |
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| bnemec | I guess I'm fine with cutting the Mitaka branches whenever, but I'll note again that over the next couple of weeks my focus is likely to be on downstream OSP 8. | 14:42 |
| adarazs | I think gfidente is working on ipv4 netiso, that should happen in the near future I think. | 14:42 |
| shardy | dprince: yup, I guess the question is just is it feasable to get to a reasonable branch point in ~2 weeks | 14:42 |
| shardy | I know we discussed having a lagging release on the ML, but I personally am not in favor of that | 14:42 |
| shardy | I think it'll be much clearer if we just start adhering to the exact same process/schedule as the rest of OpenStack | 14:42 |
| trown | dprince: but how much time will it take to get that stuff... is an extra week likely to make any difference? | 14:42 |
| trown | I am -1 on lagging release | 14:42 |
| gfidente | yeah short update on that, we're in a sort of debugging session and trying to figure what is wrong | 14:43 |
| slagle | i'd like to see the needed features at least landed in master before cutting mitaka | 14:43 |
| adarazs | gfidente: let me know if I can help. | 14:43 |
| bnemec | gfidente: You saw my comment on the latest patch set? | 14:43 |
| dprince | okay, so if not laggin the release is the priority then fine. I just don't like slamming in features that haven't been tested on upstream | 14:43 |
| jistr | slagle: +1 | 14:43 |
| slagle | if they're not, we'd have to violate our new policy of not backporting features | 14:43 |
| bnemec | Can we come up with a list of must-haves for Mitaka? | 14:43 |
| shardy | bnemec: Yeah, I guess that is the subtext to my question, e.g if we need a big push on reviews, we need folks with bandwith to do them, and probably a list of the backlog we expect to land for stable/mitaka | 14:43 |
| dprince | it appears to me that many of the patches are being testing against stable/liberty (OSP8) and then thrown upstream... where they may or may not work | 14:44 |
| shardy | if we're not going to allow feature backports, getting that right is a lot more important | 14:44 |
| dprince | this isn't the way it was supposed to work | 14:44 |
| gfidente | bnemec, I dropped those yes, the overcloud external network is a flat network bridged into br-ex with 192.0.2 subnetting | 14:44 |
| gfidente | bnemec, this is why pingtest works without netiso | 14:44 |
| gfidente | adarazs, ack, pvt | 14:45 |
| shardy | dprince: agreed, but getting this release cut at the right time is IMHO the first step to fixing our process | 14:45 |
| shardy | then the deadlines for things landing upstream become very clear from now onwards | 14:45 |
| bnemec | gfidente: Umm, no it's not. We should talk after the meeting. | 14:45 |
| dprince | what I'm suggesting is it would be fine to land a feature upstream. Say IPv6, so long as whoever is reviewing it is manually verifying that it actually works and doesn't break previous features for each patch. Because we simply don't have enough CI coverage on much of this to verify we aren't breaking things | 14:45 |
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| dprince | shardy: I'm fine with that release angle, just saying that there seems to be disagreement about landing or not landing all these features in 2 weeks time | 14:46 |
| shardy | dprince: requiring some manual testing is probably fine, provided folks actually have time to do that as well as the reviews (bnemec is giving me the feeling some folks don't have bandwidth for either, which is clearly problematic) | 14:46 |
| jistr | i think we do have the IPv6 + SSL + upgrades support very close though. If we can land those while making sure we don't break anything else, i'd be even ok with landing the majority of those features even without knowing that the new features work 100% great (experimental features, as shardy said), and then we can fix the new features later. Main concern is breaking what we already had but we don't have CI coverage on (e.g. IPv4 | 14:47 |
| jistr | net iso). | 14:47 |
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| trown | it is problematic to work on the previous release for a whole cycle and then try to land all the features in the last 2 weeks | 14:47 |
| jistr | yea :( | 14:47 |
| shardy | lol @ "fix the new features later" | 14:47 |
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| bnemec | This is why I'd be in favor of lagging a bit this cycle and then cutting N in sync with everyone else. | 14:48 |
| jistr | experimental feature == will fix later | 14:48 |
| bnemec | N'Sync even. ;-) | 14:48 |
| jistr | :)) | 14:48 |
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| trown | if we lag release, tripleo will not be able to participate in RDO Mitaka release | 14:48 |
| dprince | jistr: sure, I agree on the experimental features | 14:48 |
| trown | which means even more packstack users | 14:48 |
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| shardy | and if we lag, we'll keep all N work blocked, which will eat into the time for N feature development | 14:49 |
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| shardy | for me, not being able to participate in the RDO mitaka release is a deal breaker, and it means we have to branch at the right time | 14:50 |
| dprince | jistr: but network isolation IPv4 has been broken for weeks upstream so we clearly need to do a better job of having reviewers (manually) test upstream until some of these CI jobs are in place. | 14:50 |
| bnemec | I mean, that's fine, but if the features aren't landed then we're screwed. | 14:50 |
| trown | same | 14:50 |
| bnemec | We either violate the new backport policy, or we carry downstream patches for stuff. | 14:50 |
| dprince | getting some of these automated in CI is really the only scalable solution | 14:50 |
| bnemec | Neither of which are good either. | 14:50 |
| trown | I would prefer downstream patches over twisting the upstream process for downstream needs | 14:51 |
| jistr | dprince: +1 on prioritizing automated CI | 14:51 |
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| trown | that is a really non-starter argument for any other openstack project | 14:51 |
| bnemec | Can we take this discussion offline and come up with the list of features that must go into Mitaka, and make a decision from there? | 14:51 |
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| bnemec | trown: It's also reality in this project right now. | 14:51 |
| bnemec | Most of the developers have downstream responsibility, whether we like it or not. | 14:52 |
| shardy | trown: I agree, IMHO we can't block the entire upstream release due to downstream requirements, worst case some patches will have to be carried, but it'd be far better if we could have a coordinated push and just test/land what remains | 14:52 |
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| trown | ya, but it is still possible to seperate downstream arguments from upstream process and needs | 14:52 |
| slagle | downstream patches are also a non starter | 14:52 |
| slagle | it's not even a worst case scenario | 14:52 |
| slagle | it's no scenario | 14:52 |
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| bnemec | Downstream patches are what got us into this situation in the first place, FWIW. | 14:52 |
| trown | ok, so if tripleo is now a downstream project, I do not have much to add | 14:53 |
| bnemec | It's why we have features in Kilo that don't exist in Mitaka yet. | 14:53 |
| shardy | working on the previous release when we should have branched is also part of our current problem tho | 14:53 |
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| bnemec | Totally agree, but until we get everything to the same level feature-wise, we're going to be working on the previous release. | 14:53 |
| trown | imagine trying to make this argument in nova | 14:53 |
| jistr | bnemec: +1 | 14:53 |
| shardy | Ok, looks like we don't have consensus - how about this: | 14:54 |
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| bnemec | trown: We are not Nova. | 14:54 |
| shardy | 1. We create an etherpad with blocker for mitaka patches, like today | 14:54 |
| slagle | my opinion is that if we want to branch on time, we have to allow for some *possible* feature backports to stable/mitaka *if* they have not all landed | 14:54 |
| shardy | 2. revisit next week, and make a call re the branch for RC1 date | 14:54 |
| bnemec | shardy: +1 | 14:54 |
| jistr | +1 | 14:55 |
| slagle | wfm | 14:55 |
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| dprince | sounds like a fine plan to me shardy | 14:55 |
| shardy | slagle: Ok, I guess we can discuss that if it becomes clear certain patches won't land | 14:55 |
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| shardy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-mitaka-rc-blockers | 14:55 |
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| slagle | yea, i just dont want to shoot ourselves in the foot | 14:55 |
| slagle | i think we can pull this off, branch on time, avoid downstream patches | 14:55 |
| shardy | Please add patches there, and we can review/discuss in #tripleo to ensure they are actually blockers | 14:56 |
| slagle | we just might have to allow ourselves some initial leeway | 14:56 |
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| dprince | okay, very little time left in the meeting | 14:56 |
| dprince | #topic open discussion | 14:56 |
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| dprince | anything else someone needs to bring up? | 14:56 |
| michchap | I just came along to mention I put up a spec for moving the puppet manifests into a module and reducing the code duplication | 14:57 |
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| michchap | I wanted to check I'm not missing some really obvious reason not to do that | 14:57 |
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| dprince | michchap: we already planned to do this as part of composable services | 14:59 |
| dprince | michchap: so ++ for the idea | 14:59 |
| michchap | dprince: is there an implementation or should I put one up? | 14:59 |
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| dprince | michchap: lets talk on #tripleo afterwards | 14:59 |
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| michchap | dprince: sure | 15:00 |
| dprince | thanks everyone | 15:00 |
| dprince | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 1 15:00:17 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-03-01-14.04.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-03-01-14.04.txt | 15:00 |
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| tmorin | #startmeeting bgpvpn | 15:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 1 15:03:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmorin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
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| tmorin | hi doude, enikher, matrohon, pcarver, timirnich | 15:03 |
| pcarver | hi | 15:03 |
| tmorin | bgpvpn meeting starting now :) | 15:03 |
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| enikher | BGPVPN YEAH!!! | 15:03 |
| tmorin | enikher: :) | 15:05 |
| enikher | so is there a new bank holiday in france after the heat contribution? | 15:05 |
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| tmorin | not sure I follow you ... :) | 15:05 |
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| tmorin | I'm bad at getting jokes | 15:05 |
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| enikher | 24 Feb. HEAT contribution day - Everyboby get free beer | 15:06 |
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| tmorin | getting free beer sounds more German than French, doesn't it ? ;) | 15:07 |
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| tmorin | matrohon does not seem around | 15:07 |
| enikher | Mhhh I am not good in wines | 15:07 |
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| tmorin | ok let's start | 15:08 |
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| tmorin | #topic announce | 15:08 |
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| tmorin | #info Heat contribution from enikher was merged last week | 15:08 |
| tmorin | Heat support for router associations is in progress (matrohon) | 15:08 |
| tmorin | thanks a lot for this Heat support enikher !! | 15:09 |
| enikher | your are welcome | 15:09 |
| tmorin | do we have other announces ? | 15:09 |
| tmorin | ok... | 15:10 |
| tmorin | next topic ? | 15:10 |
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| tmorin | #topic static routes | 15:10 |
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| tmorin | static routes is somethings that would be nice to progress | 15:10 |
| enikher | yes, is the blueprint already acknowledged? | 15:11 |
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| tmorin | timirnich, enikher: I'll try to restart the discuss with jan this week or next week, feel free to pass him the word that trying to move forward with that would be nice | 15:11 |
| tmorin | enikher: not yet, Jan and me have been trying to sort out what a good API would look like | 15:12 |
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| enikher | mhhh ok | 15:12 |
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| enikher | is the etherpad up to date? | 15:13 |
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| enikher | of your lates discussions? | 15:13 |
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| tmorin | nope | 15:15 |
| tmorin | it's not | 15:15 |
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| tmorin | hopefully, me and Jan may find some time to work on this... | 15:16 |
| enikher | ok, would be nice if we could manage to have this. it is difficult for me to help here otherwise | 15:16 |
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| tmorin | yes, but we haven't frozen our understanding enough to write things down in the pad | 15:17 |
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| tmorin | perhaps having a chat with Jan will help you | 15:18 |
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| tmorin | next topic ? | 15:18 |
| tmorin | #topic bagpipe driver | 15:18 |
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| tmorin | the Neutron change to allow extensions to access the OVS bridge objects has been merged yesterday | 15:18 |
| enikher | tmorin: ok | 15:18 |
| tmorin | the patch to apply that to do a clean bagpipe extension is in progress | 15:19 |
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| tmorin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281358/ | 15:19 |
| tmorin | next topic ? | 15:19 |
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| tmorin | #topic move to neutron-lib | 15:19 |
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| tmorin | this is a topic I haven't investigated yet | 15:19 |
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| tmorin | I suspect we may have many (simple) things to update in networking-bgpvpn | 15:20 |
| tmorin | to follow the things that move from neutron to neutron-lib | 15:20 |
| tmorin | any help around that will be welcome | 15:20 |
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| enikher | can you give more info here? | 15:20 |
| enikher | is the python code just named differently? | 15:21 |
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| tmorin | let me find an example | 15:21 |
| tmorin | "a good picture is worth 1024 words" | 15:21 |
| tmorin | here is what had to be done for neutron-lbaas: | 15:22 |
| tmorin | https://github.com/openstack/neutron-lbaas/commit/2a74aa29d4480972d31a4b39c13790f4bd3aaf25 | 15:22 |
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| tmorin | exception and constant definition moving out of neutron module, into neutron-lib module | 15:23 |
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| tmorin | we'll have to keep an eye on that and see what impacts our code | 15:23 |
| enikher | whould have benn nice if they called it networking_lib | 15:23 |
| tmorin | maybe nothing yet | 15:23 |
| enikher | do you know in which release the modules are removed from neutron? | 15:24 |
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| tmorin | mitaka | 15:25 |
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| tmorin | some things are incrementally moved from neutron to neutron-lib | 15:25 |
| tmorin | during the mitaka cycle | 15:25 |
| enikher | oh realy... that would mean we need to have it before the release? | 15:25 |
| tmorin | maybe that will continue afterwards | 15:25 |
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| tmorin | whatever moves during mitaka cycle we'll have to follow for our mitaka release, es | 15:26 |
| tmorin | yes | 15:26 |
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| tmorin | it's essentially a matter of doing a python test and a DVSM check regularly and confirming things still work | 15:26 |
| tmorin | and fixing whatever needs to if things fail | 15:26 |
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| enikher | mmhhh | 15:27 |
| enikher | I think that is enough | 15:27 |
| tmorin | this job is here to do these tests | 15:27 |
| tmorin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232451/ | 15:27 |
| tmorin | assuming our unit test trigger an import of all modules, yes, that should be enough | 15:28 |
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| tmorin | next topic ? | 15:30 |
| tmorin | I don't have one in mind | 15:30 |
| tmorin | #topic open discussion | 15:30 |
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| tmorin | enikher ? | 15:30 |
| enikher | yes | 15:31 |
| enikher | I have one | 15:31 |
| enikher | #info SDN VPN for C Release | 15:31 |
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| tmorin | #topic OPNFV: SDNVPN for C release | 15:32 |
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| tmorin | go ahead | 15:32 |
| enikher | but it does not realy make sense since only so few people are her | 15:32 |
| enikher | here | 15:32 |
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| enikher | I would like to invite everyone to the C Release planning: | 15:33 |
| tmorin | enikher: yeah, it seems like if it's really between the two of us | 15:33 |
| enikher | #info https://etherpad.opnfv.org/p/SDN_VPN_roadmap | 15:33 |
| enikher | my be it is a good idea to include static routes in the OPNFV C release | 15:34 |
| tmorin | ok, I'll try to spend some time on that this week | 15:34 |
| enikher | what do you think? | 15:34 |
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| enikher | Our main objective is testing at the moment, so that should serve BGPVPN as well | 15:35 |
| tmorin | enikher: well, yeah, but it only makes sense if we can do this in time for mitaka, right ? | 15:35 |
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| enikher | yes I think so. I am not sure about the release dates of OPNFV | 15:35 |
| tmorin | enikher: maybe putting it in the SDNVPN roadmap can help having people spend time on it ? | 15:35 |
| enikher | yes that could happen | 15:36 |
| tmorin | enikher: I guess C must be around september (??) | 15:36 |
| enikher | yes something like that... | 15:36 |
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| enikher | that just it :-) we can continue | 15:37 |
| tmorin | ok | 15:37 |
| tmorin | then it means we are done AFAICT | 15:37 |
| tmorin | :) | 15:38 |
| enikher | ok :-) | 15:38 |
| tmorin | thank you folks | 15:39 |
| tmorin | ! | 15:39 |
| tmorin | or let's say folk_ | 15:39 |
| tmorin | :) | 15:39 |
| enikher | :-) | 15:40 |
| tmorin | #endmeeting | 15:40 |
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| tmorin | by enikher... | 15:40 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 1 15:40:05 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-03-01-15.03.html | 15:40 |
| tmorin | by everyone | 15:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-03-01-15.03.txt | 15:40 |
| enikher | bye tmorin | 15:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-03-01-15.03.log.html | 15:40 |
| tmorin | bye | 15:40 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting containers | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 1 16:00:54 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: containers)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 16:00 |
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| adrian_otto | the link to the agenda is not available, will add it later | 16:01 |
| dimtruck | o/ | 16:02 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:02 |
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| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:02 |
| strigazi | o/ | 16:02 |
| thomasem | Thomas Maddox | 16:02 |
| levi_b | o/ | 16:02 |
| madhurik | o/ | 16:02 |
| himanshu_garg | o/ | 16:02 |
| Tango | Ton Ngo | 16:02 |
| Kennan | o/ | 16:02 |
| muralia | murali allada | 16:02 |
| dane_leblanc | o/ | 16:02 |
| hongbin | o/ | 16:02 |
| juggler | Perry Rivera o/ | 16:02 |
| coreyob | Corey O'Brien | 16:02 |
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| jward | o/ | 16:02 |
| rpothier | Rob Pothier | 16:02 |
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| sew | o/ | 16:03 |
| adrian_otto | hello strigazi dimtruck thomasem levi_b madhurik himanshu_garg Tango Kennan muralia dane_leblanc hongbin juggler coreyob jward rpothier and sew | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | let's begin | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2016-03-01_1600_UTC Our Agenda | 16:04 |
| juggler | good localtime adrian_otto and all | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | thanks! | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | any announcements from team members? | 16:04 |
| dimtruck | adrian_otto: just one from me | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | ok | 16:04 |
| hongbin | I have one after | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | ok, proceed dimtruck | 16:05 |
| dimtruck | copy_logs patch landed (#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278127) so if you have any patches in progress that are failing intermittenly in functional tests, rebase and you'll get bay node logs | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | terrific! | 16:05 |
| Tango | +1 | 16:05 |
| dimtruck | thanks for all help coreyob hongbin, adrian_otto | 16:05 |
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| adrian_otto | hongbin: go ahead | 16:06 |
| hongbin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/087771.html | 16:06 |
| hongbin | i18n is looking for liasion for magnum-ui | 16:06 |
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| adrian_otto | anyone interested is welcome to volunteer | 16:06 |
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| dimtruck | one note: - The liaison should be a core reviewer for the project and understand the i18n status of this project. | 16:07 |
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| suro-patz | o/ | 16:07 |
| hongbin | dimtruck: I think most importantly, the liasion needs to know the release cycle of magnum-ui | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | suro-patz: are you letting us know you are present, or expressing interest in I18n? | 16:08 |
| juggler | or both? | 16:08 |
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| Kennan | I think we not limited to core reviewer, if someone have ability to do that | 16:09 |
| madhurik | +1 | 16:09 |
| dimtruck | Kennan: i read that as cores only :( maybe a clarification from i18n is needed? | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | thanks hongbin for raising that for discussion. Let's table it for now and let our contributors consider that for a bit. | 16:10 |
| hongbin | sure | 16:10 |
| suro-patz | adrian_otto: I just got into the room - letting know my presence | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | thanks suro-patz | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | welcome | 16:10 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 16:10 |
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| adrian_otto | (I have a gap here, checking to see which actions need follow-up) | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | one moment please | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | (none) | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | that explains the gap | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Blueprint Review | 16:11 |
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| adrian_otto | Essential Blueprint Review | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | We have two docs blueprints | 16:12 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/mitaka Our Mitaka Blueprints | 16:12 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-troubleshooting-guide Troubleshooting Guide (Tango) | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/user-guide User Guide (Tango) | 16:13 |
| Tango | We have 1 patch merged last week, and another still under review | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | We might want to consider adjusting the priority of the install instructions blueprint | 16:13 |
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| Tango | I see dimtruck signed up for 2 new sections, so that's very helpful | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | Tango: glad to hear that!! | 16:13 |
| dimtruck | yup! i'll push those in later this week! | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | thanks dimtruck! | 16:14 |
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| Tango | I am still working on image management, had to do some internal work last week so didn't make as much progress as I would have liked | 16:14 |
| Tango | I think install instruction is also important, we have repeated request on this | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | hongbin: do you have that link to the recent blueprint for install docs? | 16:15 |
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| hongbin | finding it | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | thanks | 16:15 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-installation-guide | 16:15 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, I'm marking that one as high, because it's surfaced as a gap for operators | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | does anyone think that one should be upgraded to Essential? | 16:16 |
| hongbin | I think it should be essential :) | 16:16 |
| Tango | +1 | 16:16 |
| Kennan | +1 for me | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | ok, marking it as such | 16:17 |
| juggler | +1 | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | strigazi: I know you took a look at this, right? | 16:17 |
| strigazi | yes, I'm working on it | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I'm marking you as the assignee. | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | this means that I'll seek updates from you at the team meetings for progress on it | 16:18 |
| strigazi | ok | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | any contributors are free to join you in working on it | 16:18 |
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| adrian_otto | tx Tango for your remarks and progress on the other Essentials. | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | Blueprints, Bugs, Specs, and other work items to be discussed as a team | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | Revisiting form last week | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | 1) swarm related heat templates (for storage support) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275034/ | 16:19 |
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| adrian_otto | wanghua: you indicated you would revisit this | 16:20 |
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| adrian_otto | I'm willing to reverse my -2 vote if we can make it work with selinux enabled. | 16:20 |
| Kennan | adrian_otto: redhat folks still not find root cause, they thought volume plugin issue, and volume lugin said docker plugin issue | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | ok, should I nudge this to next week? | 16:21 |
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| adrian_otto | please let me know if/when you'd like me to revisit this. Ping me on IRC anytime. | 16:21 |
| Kennan | adrian_otto: I think we could make it more if updates from redhat folk | 16:21 |
| Kennan | I like to go on investigate it | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | ok. | 16:22 |
| Kennan | adrian_otto: i think it is needed in magnum feature for storage support | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | agreed | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | so I just want to remind you that I'm not opposed to the feature, just the details on the proposed implementation. | 16:23 |
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| Kennan | sure I have bring our options to those folks | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | ok, let's come back to this one again next time | 16:23 |
| Kennan | but seems hard to debug for them now | 16:23 |
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| adrian_otto | 2) [suro-patz] Looking for consensus on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275003/, to let https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267134/ proceed | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | This is about improving async between conductors and COEs | 16:24 |
| suro-patz | I am looking for the spec review to conclude | 16:24 |
| suro-patz | so that we can focus on review for the phase-0 implementation | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so this is essentially about adjusting call to cast throughout the relevant conductors | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | and you have an idea about how to stage the work | 16:25 |
| suro-patz | the phase-0 implementation is up for review for last 1 month | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | do any team members have concerns about the proposed approach? | 16:25 |
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| adrian_otto | if not, let's finish up this review and let it proceed | 16:26 |
| suro-patz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275003/ - is the code | 16:26 |
| hongbin | In overall, it looks over complicated. | 16:26 |
| hongbin | I won't -1 on that. Just raise some concerns | 16:26 |
| suro-patz | hongbin: async implementations are not simple, that's why people implement sync first | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | hongbin: can you suggest a way to reduce the complexity to a point where it's better? | 16:27 |
| suro-patz | hongbin: I am open to suggestion | 16:27 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: Don't have any idea right now | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so I'm going to +2 this patch now | 16:27 |
| Kennan | suro-patz: is it just used by Magnum now for asynch ways? | 16:27 |
| hongbin | Another concern is | 16:28 |
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| suro-patz | kennan: nova achieves async too | 16:28 |
| hongbin | It relies on several unfinished features from other project/libraries | 16:28 |
| suro-patz | but the COE-interaction is specific to Magnum | 16:28 |
| Kennan | suro-patz: you mean asycn instances actions and opeartions in nova ? | 16:28 |
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| suro-patz | hongbin: those dependencies are for phase-1 | 16:28 |
| suro-patz | on taskflow | 16:29 |
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| suro-patz | if you have better alternatives for them, please suggest : hongbin | 16:29 |
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| suro-patz | power of rejection comes with the responsibility of providing alternatives :) | 16:30 |
| hongbin | I would say not rely on unfinished features | 16:30 |
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| suro-patz | hongbin: in my study, I could not find any other fitting alternatives | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | it might be okay to use a new feature as long as it is accompanied by a commitment form the upstream project to support us | 16:30 |
| hongbin | OK | 16:30 |
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| hongbin | Then, np from me | 16:30 |
| vilobhmm11 | hongbin : +1 the only concern i have is the dependence on the unfinished features from other projects libraries and not sure how it will go since either us or someone/owner of that lib to finish it | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | but I do appreciate the caution | 16:31 |
| suro-patz | btw, for those enhancements I have bounced the ideas with respective teams, and I am willing to do those first | 16:31 |
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| suro-patz | I will clear the dependency and then come back to implement phase-1 | 16:31 |
| vilobhmm11 | suro-patz : i think you have highlighted them in the spec as well | 16:31 |
| vilobhmm11 | the need for mysql driver etc | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | good, if we can track down who's doing that work, and work closely than we can mitigate the risk to a degree | 16:31 |
| suro-patz | vilobhmm: yes | 16:31 |
| Kennan | I think exploer is welcoming if it is proved to be useful and effiency | 16:32 |
| suro-patz | kennan: thanks | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | and the spec offers a way to fall back to the current (sync) mode in the early phase | 16:32 |
| suro-patz | also this feature is implemented as optional by configuration | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | so we can decide when it's the right time to merge code for the later part based on the stability we observe from the experimental mode | 16:32 |
| suro-patz | adrian_otto: absolutely | 16:32 |
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| suro-patz | the implementation is divided across phases to reduce risk | 16:33 |
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| suro-patz | put as an option for people to try to out with safe fall back | 16:33 |
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| adrian_otto | thanks suro-patz | 16:34 |
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| suro-patz | the phase-1 will start picking up speed as community feels comfortable with the feature and the dependencies are esolved | 16:34 |
| suro-patz | resolved | 16:34 |
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| Kennan | suro-patz: I want to kind remind just make sure the new feaure not bring breaks for old code | 16:35 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, I'm happy to work out any concrete objections while we are reviewing the WIP reviews on the implementation | 16:35 |
| suro-patz | Kennan: of course | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | let's check on the next work item | 16:35 |
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| adrian_otto | 3) thomasem to get Libvirt/LXC Nova gate test to voting | 16:35 |
| suro-patz | all the UT will be run in both the modes | 16:35 |
| thomasem | hey | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | thomasem: sorry to call you out on this | 16:36 |
| thomasem | So, back digging into that now. Finding some issues with libvirt_lxc reboots | 16:36 |
| thomasem | Not a problem. I specifically worded it that way in the agenda so I would be pinged. :) | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | the gate nodes reboot? | 16:36 |
| thomasem | No, the nova instance reboots | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | during func test? | 16:36 |
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| thomasem | It falls through to a hard reboot (being a container) and winds up trying to mount an already mounted volume. | 16:36 |
| thomasem | Race condition sort of thing | 16:36 |
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| adrian_otto | ick | 16:37 |
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| thomasem | So, trying to find more deterministic ways to perturb that issue so I can get better information around it. | 16:37 |
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| thomasem | The gate stuff is riddled with race condition problems. So, enumerating those, and trying to address one-by-one. | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | ok | 16:37 |
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| thomasem | Anyway, my status is: In Progress | 16:37 |
| thomasem | and probably will be for a while on-and-off. :) | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | should I place an AI for follow up next week? | 16:37 |
| thomasem | Keeping track of things here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lxc_driver_devstack_gate | 16:37 |
| thomasem | Sure. I'll hopefully have more information then, maybe even a patch up. | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | do we have a bug ticket open as well? | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | if not I can help get that done for you | 16:38 |
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| thomasem | Actually, no. We need to open one against openstack-infra, I think. | 16:38 |
| thomasem | We have one for udevadm settle | 16:39 |
| thomasem | lemme find that one | 16:39 |
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| adrian_otto | #action thomasem to update team on progress refactoring our gates to use the libvirt-lxc nova driver | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | sound fair? | 16:39 |
| thomasem | So, it's nova's gate right now. | 16:40 |
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| thomasem | Magnum's gate is a larger and different effort | 16:40 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: thomasem : Maybe it worth to explain to the team why libvirt-lxc needs to be enabled (not everyone attend the midcycle ) | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | #undo | 16:40 |
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| thomasem | There's a few implications for libvirt LXC and Magnum | 16:40 |
| thomasem | One | 16:40 |
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| adrian_otto | irc://chat.freenode.net:6667/#action thomasem to update team on progress on libvirt-lxc work | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | #action thomasem to update team on progress on libvirt-lxc work | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | there, that's less specific | 16:41 |
| thomasem | We're considering trying to use libvirtLXC to improve Magnum's gates once we feel it's stable enough | 16:41 |
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| thomasem | Since there's such dramatic resource problems with Magnum gate using VMs | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | ok, we have just a little time for a big topic | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | thanks thomasem | 16:41 |
| vilobhmm11 | adrian_otto : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259201/ - Resource Quota - Introduce Quota Table got merged last week | 16:42 |
| thomasem | furthermore, Libvirt/LXC being stable in Nova would enable Magnum using containers for infrastructure instead of VMs | 16:42 |
| thomasem | No problemo | 16:42 |
| thomasem | carry on | 16:42 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Bay node OS support in Magnum | 16:42 |
| hongbin | Sending a ML would be great I think | 16:42 |
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| adrian_otto | #link http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.cloud.openstack.devel/77324 ML DIscussion (spans Feb/Mar month boundary) | 16:42 |
| vilobhmm11 | adrian_otto : may be we cab get back to this topic when we are done with "Bay node OS support in Magnum" | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | well the reason I added this for discussion today is because I want to caution us about focusing too much on image/template support | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | as it could derail more compelling features | 16:44 |
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| adrian_otto | we all want options to allow alternatives | 16:45 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: so you think it is costly to support additonal OS? Could you elaborate the reason? | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | but the question is which reference implementation(s) should our magnum dev team assume | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | Take for example the time that Tango spends working on making the Fedora/Atomic one work | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | if similar efforts were duplicated for others, that could be a material issue for us | 16:46 |
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| Tango | There has been suggestion to move away from Atomic | 16:46 |
| hongbin | I think Ton's work can be re-use for other OSs | 16:47 |
| hongbin | Basically, there are the same troubleshooting steps | 16:47 |
| eghobo | we almost has nothing specific to Atomic | 16:47 |
| adrian_otto | the magnum dev team has not expressed any religious view with respect to which OS we support, but rather an interest in streamlining our focus to have a reference implementation, and a suitable way to plug in alternatives | 16:48 |
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| hongbin | but we do have religious for no vendor lock-in :) | 16:49 |
| coreyob | i think we're already seeing the pain of having multiple os support with kubernetes. atomic and coreos versions don't even have consistent feature support | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | hongbin: agreed | 16:49 |
| hongbin | coreyob: what is the pain? Could you elaborate? | 16:49 |
| coreyob | we basically had to develop the TLS for kubernetes feature twice, once for atomic and once for coreos right? | 16:50 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: my argument is two OSs support could prevent vendor lock-in | 16:50 |
| eghobo | the biggest problem today is separate config files for Atomic and CoreOS | 16:50 |
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| hongbin | coreyob: We have the Heat conditional features, which could consolidate the templates from different OSs in the future | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | hongbin: yes, I see that. What I don't see is the engineering (dev) commitment to accompany that desire for diversity. | 16:51 |
| coreyob | hongbin we discussed that at the midcycle and it doesn't work with versioned heat templates | 16:51 |
| Kennan | I think right now, atomic have coreos did have some different (which means not have one template can work all cases) | 16:51 |
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| hongbin | coreyob: Why it doesn't work for versioning? Example? | 16:51 |
| coreyob | instead of debating which one is better, I think we need to be debating how many os distros we want to support for each coe | 16:52 |
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| Kennan | but I welcome contributions for that for os, like 3-rd party pipeline and repos maintain ? | 16:52 |
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| coreyob | Kennan yes | 16:52 |
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| coreyob | or even in our tree but not as a part of our gate | 16:52 |
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| hongbin | I think how to consolidate templates is a technical issue | 16:53 |
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| hongbin | How many OSs to support is directional question | 16:53 |
| sew | i think starting with a single distro per coe is a great way to handle a reference implementation | 16:53 |
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| sew | then add more as demand surfaces | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | my idea on this is to allow upstream OS projects to have a clear Magnum integration procedure, and ask if they would like to carry that responsibility to keep it updated, and working as Magnum evolves. | 16:53 |
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| eghobo | hongbin: it's not just templates all shell scripts need to be consolidated as well | 16:54 |
| thomasem | ^^ was especially useful for the RHEL usecase | 16:54 |
| hongbin | eghobo: yes | 16:54 |
| thomasem | Since that's a licensed thing and all of that | 16:54 |
| Kennan | coreyob hongbin perhaps we can limits some popular os ? to archieve a common goal ? | 16:54 |
| Kennan | like systemd related and upstart related OS (since shell care about it ?) | 16:54 |
| hongbin | Kennan: As long as the OSs is more than one. I am happy | 16:55 |
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| eghobo | also it's not about popularity, it's about stability | 16:55 |
| coreyob | I'm not particular to which os distro we choose as long as there is only 1 we have to maintain a gate for | 16:55 |
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| eghobo | do we really want test/catch all Docker/Kub bugs at Atomic | 16:55 |
| coreyob | i don't want to have to develop features for 6 coe+distro combinations. I'd rather do just 3 (1 per COE) | 16:56 |
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| hongbin | coreyob: We could have two distro for k8s | 16:56 |
| hongbin | coreyob: since it is a popular COE | 16:57 |
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| Tango | So it seems we have 2 decision points: (1) proceed on a design for the plugin mechanism, (2) which OS 's to focus on as reference implementation for each COE | 16:57 |
| hongbin | coreyob: We don't have to populate multi-distro to other COEs, if we cannot find a volunteer to maintain | 16:57 |
| coreyob | if you think we should do coreos for kubernetes I'm fine with dropping atomic instead. I think it'd be easier to have 2 base images (atomic and ubuntu) instead of 3, but I'd much rather have 1 per coe | 16:58 |
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| Tango | If we have developers willing to support, it should be OK | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | ok, let's plan to follow up on this topic again | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | as we have reached the end of our scheduled meeting time for today | 16:59 |
| coreyob | so hongbin are you ok with atomic+swarm, coreos+kubernetes, and ubuntu+mesos as the reference implementations? | 16:59 |
| Kennan | yes need further discsussion about it | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | we can also continue that ML discussion | 16:59 |
| hongbin | coreyob: kuberntes should have an additonal distro | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | our next team meeting will be on Tuesday 2016-03-08 at 1600 UTC. Thanks for attending everyone. | 17:00 |
| Kennan | adrian_otto last question, what's the cut date for M relase for Magnum ? | 17:00 |
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| juggler | thanks adrian | 17:00 |
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| adrian_otto | Kennan: will follow up in #openstack-containers | 17:00 |
| juggler | thanks all! | 17:00 |
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| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 1 17:00:31 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-03-01-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-03-01-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-03-01-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| sergmelikyan | #startmeeting #murano | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 1 17:01:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sergmelikyan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to '_murano' | 17:01 |
| sergmelikyan | Hi folks o/ | 17:01 |
| kzaitsev_mb | \o/ | 17:01 |
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| tlashchova_ | o/ | 17:02 |
| freerunner | hey! | 17:02 |
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| enthurohini | o/ | 17:02 |
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| sergmelikyan | We have empty agenda for today, I guess rush for M3... | 17:03 |
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| Nikolay_St | sergmelikyan: sure . . . | 17:04 |
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| sergmelikyan | #topic Action Items | 17:05 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I remember, that I had one =) | 17:06 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I was to discuss plugin location with glare team | 17:06 |
| kzaitsev_mb | we spent some time yesterday after the meeting, discussing that | 17:06 |
| kzaitsev_mb | basically glare folks do not really like the idea of random plugins flying around | 17:07 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | the biggest concern is that plaugins are not guaranteed to have the same dependecies as glance/other OS environments and can break updates installationc | 17:08 |
| kzaitsev_mb | however storing all the plugins in glare code base would slow adoption greatly | 17:08 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | so the compromise is (and this is nikhil's very nice idea) is to have a separate repository for all the plugins | 17:09 |
| kzaitsev_mb | smth like glance_store | 17:09 |
| kzaitsev_mb | glance_glare_plugins | 17:09 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | this repo can be released more often, and have it's onw release cycle and requirement gate job, to ensure, that no plugin would ever have unspecified dependencies | 17:10 |
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| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: is there a decision to create this repo already? | 17:10 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: I don't think so. I believe mfedosin and nikhil wanted to update the spec and reflect it ther | 17:11 |
| kzaitsev_mb | what do you guys think about this idea? | 17:11 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | 1 repo to rule all the plugins, that plug into glare. | 17:11 |
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| sergmelikyan | #topic Open Discussions | 17:14 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | tbh. I'm kind of ok with the idea, so if any of you guys have any concerns/objections/suggestions — remember to voice them =) | 17:15 |
| sergmelikyan | folks, if we don't have any topics, I propose to finish this meeting earlier | 17:15 |
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| nikhil | o/ | 17:16 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | nikhil: I just mentioned our yesterdays talk about glare plugin locations ) | 17:16 |
| nikhil | kzaitsev_mb: awesome! | 17:17 |
| nikhil | yeah, please consider that folks. I've added my comment with explanation to the glare spec | 17:17 |
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| nikhil | I think it will solve packaging mess mostly and also help to ensure integrated testing, bugs, feature mgmt, common code bases etc. | 17:18 |
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| nikhil | I think you guys are prolly more aware and have experience :) | 17:18 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I've gotta but an AI for myself somewhere to review that glare spec =) | 17:19 |
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| nikhil | In glance we've tried glance_store and it works ok. but it's not at the center of things .. | 17:19 |
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| nikhil | Running custom code at the heart of prj would be one great experience! | 17:19 |
| kzaitsev_mb | m-3 is right around the corner though =) so probably at the end of the week or even next week | 17:19 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I don't think, that I have any more news to share =) | 17:22 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | so basicaly I would support sergmelikyan's idea to finish early today, unless someone has something to add =) | 17:23 |
| sergmelikyan | #endmeeting | 17:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:23 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 1 17:23:28 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/_murano/2016/_murano.2016-03-01-17.01.html | 17:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/_murano/2016/_murano.2016-03-01-17.01.txt | 17:23 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/_murano/2016/_murano.2016-03-01-17.01.log.html | 17:23 |
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