| SridarK | sc68cal is away today | 00:00 |
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| SridarK | so we can start | 00:00 |
| SridarK | #startmeeting Networking FWaaS | 00:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 4 00:00:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SridarK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Networking FWaaS)" | 00:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_fwaas' | 00:00 |
| SridarK | #chair xgerman SridarK | 00:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SridarK xgerman | 00:00 |
| xgerman | #topic announcements | 00:00 |
| SridarK | #topic FWaaS v2 patches | 00:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: Networking FWaaS)" | 00:00 | |
| *** openstack changes topic to "FWaaS v2 patches (Meeting topic: Networking FWaaS)" | 00:00 | |
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| SridarK | we can do a quick run thru of where we stand and things we may want to discuss | 00:01 |
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| bharathm | o/ | 00:01 |
| xgerman | ok, sounds good | 00:01 |
| SridarK | i am continuing with the plugin and adding some methods needed in the db patch and testing the plugin - db portion on devstack | 00:02 |
| xgerman | I did some work on versioned objects + sat with an expert | 00:02 |
| SridarK | xgerman: great i saw ur patch | 00:02 |
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| xgerman | yeah, slow progress | 00:03 |
| SridarK | hopefully now we can work together to understand what is needed | 00:03 |
| xgerman | +1 | 00:03 |
| SridarK | on the agent interface | 00:03 |
| xgerman | yep | 00:03 |
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| SridarK | mickeys: how does the driver piece look ? Anything u want to bring up for discussion ? | 00:04 |
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| xgerman | also jwarendt posted a CLI patch | 00:05 |
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| mickeys | We have been distracted by other things. Made some progress understanding the existing security groups code flow, but have not worked out a design. | 00:05 |
| SridarK | mickeys: ok understand | 00:05 |
| xgerman | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275473/1 <-CLI | 00:06 |
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| SridarK | jwarendt: thx | 00:06 |
| mickeys | One issue we found is that the new iptables_manager that does a diff puts the rules right after the chains. We cannot have both security groups and fwaas apply that logic, or they would swap which set of rules comes first and cause a large diff every time. We have to work something out to order the rules differently. | 00:06 |
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| SridarK | oh yes | 00:07 |
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| SridarK | maybe some sort of feature specific thing needs to be done | 00:08 |
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| mickeys | Or deterministic ordering of chains, for example sorting? Still need to look into the details to understand whether there is an issue within chains. | 00:09 |
| SridarK | ok | 00:09 |
| xgerman | yeah, I am still a bit confused since I though we would have separate chains | 00:09 |
| SridarK | Roey also had a UT patch out | 00:10 |
| xgerman | yeah, saw that | 00:10 |
| xgerman | great work | 00:10 |
| SridarK | xgerman: may be next we can try to pull the plugin and agent pieces together to get some of the communication going | 00:11 |
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| SridarK | we can target next week | 00:11 |
| xgerman | ok, let’s do that. Wish should be able to dedicate 25% to FwaaS soon, too | 00:12 |
| xgerman | Aish | 00:12 |
| SridarK | yes sigh i think we all have to juggle other things as well | 00:12 |
| SridarK | that will be great | 00:12 |
| xgerman | yep, things move slow at big places... | 00:12 |
| SridarK | xgerman: i will ping u offline on the versioned objects to get a handle on that | 00:13 |
| xgerman | ok, sounds good | 00:13 |
| SridarK | i think that about does a quick run thru on the patches | 00:13 |
| xgerman | yep | 00:14 |
| SridarK | xgerman: did u want to bring some other things up | 00:14 |
| xgerman | yep | 00:14 |
| xgerman | #topic Open Discussion | 00:14 |
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| xgerman | There is a Neutron Midcycle in Rochester, soo | 00:14 |
| xgerman | n | 00:14 |
| xgerman | if you look there is an etherpad | 00:15 |
| xgerman | big thing is “evolving the stadium” - look at that patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275888/5 | 00:16 |
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| xgerman | lastly, please do more reviews https://review.openstack.org/#/q/openstack/neutron-fwaas+status:open,n,z | 00:16 |
| xgerman | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/openstack/neutron-fwaas+status:open,n,z | 00:16 |
| xgerman | some nice tempest fixes, etc. sitting there :-) | 00:16 |
| xgerman | that’s all from my soap box... | 00:17 |
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| SridarK | xgerman: one other thing - i need to follow up with Brocade folks on the observer hierarchy | 00:18 |
| xgerman | oh, yes | 00:18 |
| SridarK | they have taken this on (the other bharath) | 00:19 |
| SridarK | i will find out how that is moving along | 00:19 |
| xgerman | ask them to post some WIP so we can all comment ... | 00:19 |
| SridarK | xgerman: yes exactly will do so | 00:20 |
| SridarK | I did not have anything else to discuss | 00:20 |
| xgerman | +1 | 00:20 |
| SridarK | others ? | 00:20 |
| Aish | I am reading about versioned objects too. xgerman SridarK Let me know when you discuss about that. | 00:20 |
| xgerman | will do | 00:21 |
| SridarK | Aish: yes will coordinate on that with both of u | 00:21 |
| Aish | ok, thanks. | 00:21 |
| SridarK | ok if nothing else, xgerman: shall we close out the mtg and give some time back ? | 00:22 |
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| xgerman | yes | 00:22 |
| xgerman | #endmeeting | 00:23 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 4 00:23:02 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2016/networking_fwaas.2016-02-04-00.00.html | 00:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2016/networking_fwaas.2016-02-04-00.00.txt | 00:23 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2016/networking_fwaas.2016-02-04-00.00.log.html | 00:23 |
| SridarK | Bye all | 00:23 |
| xgerman | thanks everybody | 00:23 |
| Aish | bye. | 00:23 |
| mickeys | Bye | 00:23 |
| SridarK | thanks | 00:23 |
| hoangcx | bye | 00:23 |
| hoangcx | thanks xgerman and SridarK | 00:23 |
| SridarK | thx hoangcx: bye | 00:24 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 4 15:01:32 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:01 |
| toabctl_ | hey | 15:01 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:01 |
| gouthamr | o/ hey! | 15:01 |
| ganso | hello | 15:01 |
| aovchinnikov | hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:01 |
| tpsilva | hello | 15:01 |
| vponomaryov | hi | 15:01 |
| xyang1 | hi | 15:01 |
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| mkoderer | hi | 15:02 |
| bswartz | #topic announcement | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcement (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:02 | |
| jcsp | hi | 15:02 |
| bswartz | first thing: | 15:02 |
| bswartz | welcome ganso to manila core reviewer team! | 15:02 |
| toabctl_ | welcome! | 15:02 |
| cknight | ganso: welcome! | 15:03 |
| gouthamr | +1 | 15:03 |
| markstur_ | congrats | 15:03 |
| ganso | bswartz: thanks! I am very happy to be part of this community and continue contributing to the Manila project! :) | 15:03 |
| mkoderer | congrats | 15:03 |
| tpsilva | congrats ganso! | 15:03 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: congrats! )) | 15:03 |
| ganso | :) | 15:03 |
| bswartz | I'm very excited to have ganso's help, and look forward to extra reviewer bandwidth in the coming weeks as we approach Mitaka Feature Freeze | 15:03 |
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| xyang1 | ganso: congrats! | 15:03 |
| xyang1 | looks like I missed the email | 15:04 |
| bswartz | xyang1: this is the announcement -- I'll send an email after the meeting | 15:04 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: ok | 15:04 |
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| ameade | 0/ | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | so next thing: deadlines | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | as we agreed to at the start of the release, there is a *Driver* proposal freeze next week, Feb 11 | 15:05 |
| bswartz | that's Feature Freeze minus 3 weeks | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | New drivers are supposed to be in gerrit with +1 from Jenkins, and substantially complete by that date | 15:06 |
| bswartz | also major new driver features should meet the same deadline | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | the feature proposal freeze for ALL features is a week later, Feb 18 | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | basically we have 4 weeks from today until feature freeze and the deadlines are supposed to help us have enough time to review and merge the large backlog of changes | 15:07 |
| toabctl_ | bswartz: so what drivers do we have in the pipeline beside ceph (sorry, I'm a bit outdated currently) | 15:07 |
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| vponomaryov | toabctl: ZFS (on linux) | 15:08 |
| bswartz | The one I know about is the ceph driver | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | there is another driver for ZFS which I'll discuss in a bit | 15:08 |
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| toabctl_ | is it realistic to get ceph in? is somebody here from the ceph driver guys? | 15:09 |
| jcsp | hi | 15:09 |
| jcsp | ceph is hoping to meet deadline | 15:09 |
| jcsp | the tempest stuff is being debugged at the moment | 15:09 |
| jcsp | but it broadly works and our CI is up and running and should be green once the last couple of tests are fixed | 15:09 |
| bswartz | main thing is to remind everyone about deadlines so no one is suprised next week when we start blocking new drivers | 15:09 |
| mkoderer | jcsp: are the tempest tests already open for reviews? | 15:10 |
| bswartz | toabctl_: ceph driver has been in gerrit for ~2 weeks now so people can review it | 15:10 |
| jcsp | mkoderer: it's in the same review. There aren't new scenario tests for it yet, but the existing tempest tests are run against the ceph driver. | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | yeah I haven't personally looked at the ceph driver but it seems to be meeting the deadlines with time to spare so I have a good feeling | 15:11 |
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| jcsp | we currently don't implement the new update_access() method, think it's optional at this stage, right? | 15:12 |
| mkoderer | jcsp: ok fine | 15:12 |
| jcsp | since it's not in master yet | 15:12 |
| toabctl_ | jcsp: I would say yes. if it's not yet in master | 15:12 |
| bswartz | jcsp: thanks for that segue | 15:12 |
| bswartz | everyone should be supporting the NEW access interface very soon | 15:13 |
| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245126/ | 15:13 |
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| ganso | bswartz: +1 | 15:13 |
| bswartz | it's okay to push patches that depend on this patch | 15:13 |
| bswartz | I'm not sure why that hasn't merged yet | 15:13 |
| tpsilva | it got in merge conflict, so it needed a rebase | 15:14 |
| bswartz | but please don't let that fact slow down implementing the new interface | 15:14 |
| ganso | ceph driver has already been rebased on top of it | 15:14 |
| bswartz | excellent | 15:14 |
| bswartz | okay that's enough for announcements lets get to the meeting | 15:14 |
| ganso | so you can work replace access_allow and access_deny by update_access | 15:14 |
| jcsp | (rebased on it to avoid conflicting on api versions, but not implemented method) | 15:14 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:15 |
| bswartz | #topic Data service handling protocol mount commands | 15:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Data service handling protocol mount commands (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:15 | |
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| ganso | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-data-service-mount-meeting | 15:15 |
| ganso | I started working on a new Data Service Driver Helper | 15:15 |
| ganso | it should not require much coding effort, but it raised a lot of questions | 15:15 |
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| ganso | this requires additional standardization | 15:16 |
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| ganso | there are a few approaches suggested in the etherpad linked above | 15:16 |
| ganso | there are still open questions, but each proposal follows a certain path, it defines a flexibility level | 15:17 |
| ganso | other proposals are welcome | 15:17 |
| bswartz | My main requirement is that clients should not need to know anything other than the export location(s) and the parameters they themselves specified when they created the share in order to mount it | 15:17 |
| bswartz | it's not okay for different backends to force clients to mount their NFS shares (for example) differently | 15:17 |
| bswartz | it's fine for there to be protocol-specific ways of mounting | 15:18 |
| ganso | I would like that we all agree on a flexibility level, expose the problem to everyone so anyone can help with additional proposals and alternative solutions to the problem | 15:18 |
| bswartz | A client that asks for a Ceph share knows he won't mount it the same way he mounts an NFS share | 15:18 |
| ganso | the stricter we go, we easier for us, but not sure if it can work for everybody | 15:19 |
| jcsp | is it expected that the data service will be explicitly allow_access()'d by the administrator? Thinking about how it will e.g. know what identity to pass in when mounting ceph. | 15:19 |
| ganso | s/we easier/the easier | 15:19 |
| ganso | jcsp: yes | 15:19 |
| bswartz | also, because we have only 1 driver for each of: CephFS, GlusterFS, and HDFS, those ones will be pretty easy to handle -- although we do need to consider how the manila data copy service authenticates and gets access to those backends | 15:19 |
| ganso | jcsp: allowing/denying access will be automatized, the data service will need to have enough information to do it | 15:19 |
| bswartz | it's NFS and CIFS which create the biggest challenges because we have multiple drivers for each | 15:19 |
| ganso | jcsp: if you could please share some comments about ceph's approach, it would really help | 15:20 |
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| ganso | please see my observations at the end, they are very important regarding security and authentication | 15:20 |
| jcsp | is the data service meant to have access to everything? | 15:21 |
| bswartz | ganso: are you sure we can't be a client to 2 different CIFS domains at the same time? | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | jcsp: yes, at least during the time it needs access | 15:22 |
| ganso | bswartz: I am not, but I am proposing that we be stricter | 15:22 |
| jcsp | in the ceph case we can generate keys that give you access to every share, but I don't think there's a way to express that in manila | 15:22 |
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| jcsp | so the data service would need to grant itself access to each share, and get a ceph key in response (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247540/) | 15:22 |
| bswartz | jcsp: that's exactly the problem we need to fix | 15:22 |
| bswartz | we need a way to get the "special admin credential" from the backend to the data copy service | 15:23 |
| bswartz | and there's no interface for that yet | 15:23 |
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| ganso | the data service should have access to everything, it has the same rights as an admin, if drivers can create an additional export that does not require any security in the admin network (we already have admin export location), this makes everything much easier | 15:24 |
| jcsp | yes, in this case you could use the same key that we already generate for use by manila-share | 15:24 |
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| ganso | jcsp: by already having this key, we do not need any special or dynamic parameters in the mount command, right? | 15:24 |
| bswartz | so ganso can you own solving this problem and follow up with various people offline? | 15:24 |
| jcsp | though that is an overly-powerful identity because it can also create other identities, so we would probably make it part of the install procedure to ask the admin to generate one for manila-share and another less privileged one for data-service | 15:24 |
| bswartz | I don't think we're going to get a solution for all protocols right here because we don't have everyone we need | 15:25 |
| bswartz | we need someone who understand HDFS and GlusterFS in addition to CephFS | 15:25 |
| bswartz | and many of us can contribute ideas for NFS or CIFS | 15:26 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: HDFS looks abandoned for the moment | 15:26 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: its CI dead for looong time | 15:26 |
| ganso | I was looking for chen, she is supposed to be the maintainer of HDFS | 15:26 |
| markstur_ | it looks like a passed in template would be powerful and flexible. Probably a good idea, but... | 15:26 |
| ganso | according to an etherpad | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | chen isn't maintaining HDFS anymore but she mentioned the new maintainer | 15:26 |
| markstur_ | it would be nice if the default template usually worked | 15:26 |
| bswartz | arg I can't find that email atm | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | ganso I'll let you know who the new HDFS maintainer is | 15:28 |
| ganso | bswartz: thanks! | 15:28 |
| bswartz | moving on... | 15:28 |
| bswartz | #topic Separate process for copy on data service | 15:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Separate process for copy on data service (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:28 | |
| bswartz | tpsilva: you're up | 15:29 |
| tpsilva | ok, so.. | 15:29 |
| tpsilva | data service provides a copy operation, which is currently being used by share migration | 15:29 |
| tpsilva | this copy operation uses shutil.copy2 on its implementation, which causes the service to block | 15:29 |
| tpsilva | while blocked, any requests coming to the data service will not be handled until the current file copy finishes | 15:29 |
| tpsilva | the solution seems simple, just move the shutil.copy2 call to a different thread, unblocking the service | 15:29 |
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| tpsilva | problem is, threading.Thread doesn't seem to work: the service still does not respond | 15:29 |
| tpsilva | multiprocessing.Process solves this problem, but now the copy operation runs on a different process | 15:29 |
| tpsilva | is it ok to use a different process for that? | 15:30 |
| vponomaryov | tpsilva: and you sure that you properly greenthreaded your service? | 15:30 |
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| tpsilva | vponomaryov: with evenlet? | 15:30 |
| vponomaryov | tpsilva: yes | 15:30 |
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| tpsilva | yes... it is being greened like the other services | 15:30 |
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| tpsilva | with monkey_patch | 15:30 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: at this moment, it is not a whole new service, it is just a new process | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | I would think eventlet would solve this, but I'm NOT a fan of eventlet so if there are other solutions I'm open to them | 15:31 |
| bswartz | I like the idea of the data copy service forking child processes as long as we can cap the number of children | 15:31 |
| tpsilva | it would be just one child per copy | 15:31 |
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| ganso | services are soft-threaded, this case requires at least 2 hard-threads for the data-service, or a data-service-worker service | 15:32 |
| bswartz | same applies with threads I guess, we want parallelism, but not too much parallelism | 15:32 |
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| tpsilva | so, looks like using process is ok? | 15:32 |
| bswartz | the admin should be able to control the max parallelism with a config param | 15:32 |
| bswartz | what are the downsides of processes | 15:32 |
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| ganso | bswartz: we don't have a queue implementation yet | 15:33 |
| tpsilva | it would be just one background process for the copy | 15:33 |
| bswartz | how would child processes respond to the data copy service restarting? | 15:33 |
| ganso | bswartz: the point is, we are parallelizing the Copy class, which can be used by drivers, such as Huawei's | 15:33 |
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| tpsilva | bswartz: hmm... haven't tested that. I believe it dies if the main processes dies | 15:34 |
| bswartz | better find out | 15:34 |
| tpsilva | s/processes/process | 15:34 |
| tpsilva | ok | 15:34 |
| bswartz | killing an active copy operation has major downsides | 15:34 |
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| bswartz | ideally the admin could choose the behaviour | 15:34 |
| tpsilva | and somehow, manila-share should be notified | 15:34 |
| bswartz | sometimes you want to restart the service without halting ongoing copies, sometimes you really want to kill everything | 15:34 |
| tpsilva | for the migration scenario | 15:35 |
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| ganso | bswartz: there has been a case in our lab or the process becoming a zombie... due to an uninterruptible I/O lock caused by NFS | 15:35 |
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| ganso | s/or the process/of the process | 15:35 |
| ganso | the data service already sets all share statuses to error when restarted, if they were previously in progress | 15:36 |
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| bswartz | ok | 15:36 |
| ganso | thing is, linux may complicate things, like having mounts stuck | 15:36 |
| ganso | so the admin may have some work to do to clean things up | 15:36 |
| tpsilva | but this would happen with or without a different process | 15:36 |
| bswartz | the data copy service should probably mount with -o intr | 15:36 |
| ganso | humm | 15:37 |
| tpsilva | good to know | 15:37 |
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| tpsilva | I think I should submit a wip patch so other people can see it | 15:38 |
| ganso | tpsilva: +1 | 15:38 |
| tpsilva | ok then | 15:38 |
| bswartz | yeah we need to just test solutions and propose something here | 15:38 |
| tpsilva | I will also test killing the service like bswartz said | 15:38 |
| bswartz | if someone doesn't like it they can propose an alternative | 15:38 |
| bswartz | I'm okay with either approach I think | 15:38 |
| bswartz | although I dream of a future without eventlet | 15:39 |
| cknight | bswartz: +1 | 15:39 |
| bswartz | okay next topic | 15:39 |
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| bswartz | #topic ZFS driver | 15:39 |
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| bswartz | so we agreed back in Tokyo that there needs to be a first party driver which supports replication, for testing and maintenence | 15:40 |
| bswartz | DRBD turned out to be too expensive (resource-wise) to use in the gate | 15:41 |
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| dustins | DRBD? | 15:41 |
| bswartz | so the best plan we have is a driver based on ZFS, which we're very confident will work | 15:41 |
| bswartz | dustins: http://drbd.linbit.com/ | 15:41 |
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| dustins | bswartz: Thanks! | 15:42 |
| bswartz | it turns out that there's obvious way to add ZFS support to any of the existing first party drivers, so the plan is now to simply add a 4th first party driver | 15:42 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov is working on that currently | 15:42 |
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| bswartz | because we don't want to wait much longer to merge the replication code (it's been in gerrit too long and had too many rebases) I'm going to propose merging the feature as soon as the ZFS driver can be demonstrated to work with the feature | 15:44 |
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| ganso | bswartz: +1 | 15:44 |
| cknight | bswartz: +1 | 15:44 |
| bswartz | now whether the ZFS driver will be production ready by the deadline, I'm not sure | 15:45 |
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| bswartz | but the whole point of the ZFS driver is to give us a way to test (and maintain) the new feature, so we need to think about what we want to do with the ZFS driver in Mitaka | 15:46 |
| cknight | bswartz: It seems we don't really need 4 first-party drivers. Which one(s) will we deprecate? Generic? | 15:46 |
| bswartz | cknight: LVM is the one with the most overlap | 15:46 |
| vponomaryov | cknight: I guess LVM, as we do not really need volume-dependent thing | 15:46 |
| ganso | cknight: we may have core features that could be demoed on a certain first party, including generic | 15:46 |
| bswartz | ZFS is vastly superior to LVM | 15:47 |
| ganso | generic as far as I know seems to be less advantageous compared to others | 15:47 |
| bswartz | generic won't go away I don't think -- it solves too many use cases | 15:47 |
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| cknight | OK, makes sense to replace LVM with ZFS. But LVM is so simple, it's not expensive to keep it around. There is value in its simplicity. | 15:47 |
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| vponomaryov | cknight: ZFS much cheaper | 15:48 |
| bswartz | personally I'm okay with 4 first party drivers | 15:48 |
| jcsp | ZFS could be painful for folks testing on any distro that doesn't have the magic licensed packages, so having a fallback would be useful | 15:48 |
| cknight | vponomaryov: OK, good. Looking forward to seeing ZFS. | 15:48 |
| toabctl_ | jcsp: yes | 15:48 |
| dustins | jcsp: +1 | 15:48 |
| cknight | bswartz: So the goal is to resolve our gate issues by moving all flavors of Generic to non-voting, and having ZFS and LXD as the voting drivers? | 15:49 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: I hope it turns out as simple as you say! | 15:49 |
| ganso | cknight: my suggestion is that generic continue to be voting, but stripped down | 15:49 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: ZFS incredibly simple | 15:50 |
| bswartz | cknight: generic MUST be nonvoting, but everything else is negotiable | 15:50 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: for usage | 15:50 |
| cknight | bswartz: OK | 15:50 |
| bswartz | the generic driver is incredibly valuable but just not reliable enough for gate testing (given the constrained resources of the gate) | 15:50 |
| cknight | ganso: Generic can't be voting. It has too many external dependencies that break all the time. | 15:50 |
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| bswartz | yes the external dependencies are also a big problem | 15:51 |
| toabctl_ | vponomaryov: have you also looked at btrfs which is in the mainline kernel? not sure if that supports replication. | 15:51 |
| ganso | do we plan on maintaining those dependencies? or deprecating it? | 15:51 |
| bswartz | ganso: the dependencies are cinder and nova -- we can't remove those | 15:51 |
| vponomaryov | toabctl: no | 15:51 |
| bswartz | toabctl_: I have | 15:52 |
| vponomaryov | toabctl: didn't look at it | 15:52 |
| ganso | bswartz: we would deprecate generic driver along with its dependencies | 15:52 |
| bswartz | toabctl_: btrfs is a reasonable alternative to zfs but it's less mature | 15:52 |
| cknight | ganso: I propose the Generic driver always be the responsibility of the newest core reviewer. | 15:52 |
| bswartz | lol | 15:52 |
| ganso | cknight: oh god | 15:52 |
| markstur_ | cknight, +1 | 15:52 |
| vponomaryov | cknight: so cruel... | 15:53 |
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| markstur_ | and ganzo nominates... | 15:53 |
| toabctl_ | bswartz: "less mature" ? it's in mainline and at least supported by one enterprise distro. anyway. I guess this decision is already done. | 15:53 |
| markstur_ | s/ganzo/ganso/ | 15:53 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov, toabctl_: we could conceivably make a btrfs driver alongside the ZFS driver and the code might be almost identical, but for now we just need something that works | 15:53 |
| toabctl_ | yes. I agree. I'm fine with zfs for now | 15:53 |
| cknight | bswartz: It'd be cool to have a replication driver with pluggable filesystems underneath, but time is short for now. | 15:54 |
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| bswartz | toabctl_: both projects are owned by Oracle, but ZFS has been in production for about twice as long as btrfs | 15:55 |
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| bswartz | the reason btrfs is mainline and zfs isn't has to do with licensing | 15:55 |
| toabctl_ | bswartz: hm. I thought btrfs is maintained by facebook. but not sure | 15:55 |
| bswartz | well it's open source, I'm sure many people contribute to both | 15:55 |
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| bswartz | anyways we're running out of time | 15:56 |
| bswartz | #topic First party drivers share migration support cooperation | 15:56 |
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| bswartz | ganso: 4 minutes left... :-( | 15:56 |
| ganso | this topic has been partially covered in the previous one | 15:56 |
| ganso | so it is just a heads up | 15:56 |
| ganso | that I've been working with some driver/CI maintainers | 15:56 |
| ganso | to support migration | 15:56 |
| ganso | back in Tokyo at the migration session we agreed to test migration for different drivers | 15:57 |
| ganso | but so far it seems not everyone has enabled migration tests in their CI | 15:57 |
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| ganso | and since migration approach is now becoming more and more generic, to support all vendors with less effort as possible | 15:57 |
| bswartz | good point | 15:58 |
| ganso | I would like to take a closer look at vendor's CI | 15:58 |
| ganso | I am starting from the first party drivers | 15:58 |
| bswartz | we haven't pushed vendors to increase CI coverage much this cycle | 15:58 |
| bswartz | it's something that needs to happen though | 15:58 |
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| ganso | so I maintainers create a separate job to test migration, I am here to help debug issues and help configure their CIs to work with migration | 15:59 |
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| ganso | s/so I/so if | 15:59 |
| bswartz | for Mitaka I think it will have to be voluntary but I do strongly encourage vendors to unskip as many tests as possible in CI, and migration is a good candidate to start testing | 15:59 |
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| bswartz | maybe in Newton we'll require it | 16:00 |
| bswartz | so better to start checking it out now | 16:00 |
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| bswartz | that's it for this week everyone | 16:00 |
| bswartz | thanks! | 16:00 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 4 16:00:33 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-02-04-15.01.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-02-04-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-02-04-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
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| rvyalov | hi | 16:00 |
| vsakharov | hi | 16:00 |
| pzhurba | hi | 16:00 |
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| aglarendil | \o/ | 16:01 |
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| maximov | hi | 16:01 |
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| akislitsky_ | hi | 16:01 |
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| igorbelikov | o/ | 16:01 |
| angdraug | o/ | 16:01 |
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| xarses | #startmeeting fuel | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 4 16:02:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xarses. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:02 |
| kozhukalov | hi | 16:02 |
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| xarses | #chair xarses | 16:02 |
| xarses | Todays Agenda: | 16:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: xarses | 16:02 |
| xarses | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:02 |
| xarses | Who's here? | 16:02 |
| maximov | hi | 16:02 |
| dnikishov | hi | 16:02 |
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| vsakharov | hi | 16:02 |
| ikalnitsky | o/ | 16:03 |
| mwhahaha | o/ | 16:03 |
| dklenov | \o | 16:03 |
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| akislitsky_ | hi | 16:03 |
| SheenaG | o/ | 16:03 |
| xarses | #topic Action items from last meeting | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from last meeting (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:03 | |
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| xarses | ogelbukh will start moving configdb code over to openstack | 16:04 |
| xarses | aglarendil raise rollback support in solar to the ML for further discussion | 16:04 |
| xarses | moving on | 16:05 |
| xarses | #topic Fuel 8.0 HCF Status (maximov, dpyzhov) | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Fuel 8.0 HCF Status (maximov, dpyzhov) (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:06 | |
| maximov | Hi Folks | 16:06 |
| monester | hi | 16:06 |
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| maximov | We had 7 High and 1 Crit bugs on fuel, we collected the current status of the bugs #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-bugs-triage-8-0 | 16:06 |
| maximov | highlights: | 16:06 |
| maximov | I downgraded https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1541390 to High because it doesn’t affect deployment and according to triage rules | 16:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1541390 in Fuel for OpenStack mitaka "bvt's diagnostic snapshot doesn't contain logs" [High,Triaged] - Assigned to Aleksandr Didenko (adidenko) | 16:06 |
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| sbog | hi | 16:07 |
| maximov | QA agreed with this. | 16:07 |
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| maximov | https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1536198 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1539576 were removed from 8.0 | 16:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1536198 in Fuel for OpenStack mitaka "After backup-reinstall-restore Fuel uses bootstrap with wrong ssh keys" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Dmitry Bilunov (dbilunov) | 16:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1539576 in Fuel for OpenStack mitaka "fuel doesn't create diagnostic snapshot" [High,Incomplete] - Assigned to Fuel Library Team (fuel-library) | 16:08 |
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| maximov | https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1541256 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1541390 should be merged today (before HCF) | 16:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1541256 in Fuel for OpenStack mitaka "[Ironic] Deployment failed: Missing a required parameter uids" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Maciej Kwiek (maciej-iai) | 16:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1541390 in Fuel for OpenStack mitaka "bvt's diagnostic snapshot doesn't contain logs" [High,Triaged] - Assigned to Aleksandr Didenko (adidenko) | 16:08 |
| maximov | questions ? | 16:09 |
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| xarses | thanks, non for me | 16:09 |
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| angdraug | are we officieally in HCF yet? | 16:10 |
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| maximov | nope. | 16:10 |
| maximov | it should be declared today | 16:10 |
| angdraug | ok | 16:10 |
| angdraug | thanks | 16:10 |
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| maximov | moving on ? | 16:10 |
| holser_ | o/ | 16:10 |
| xarses | #topic CI team status (bookwar) | 16:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI team status (bookwar) (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:10 | |
| bookwar_ | hi all, several points i d note here | 16:11 |
| bookwar_ | 0) we have two active issues on ci.fuel-infra.org: a) ikutukov and romcheg are investigating the issue with pip and SSL https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1541432 b) community iso builds were failing due to https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1541899 | 16:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1541432 in Fuel for OpenStack "verify-python-fuelclient job failing" [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to Fuel Python Team (fuel-python) | 16:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1541899 in Fuel for OpenStack "Problem with iso build on build1" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Fuel build team (fuel-build) | 16:11 |
| bookwar_ | iso builds are more or less fixed we are waiting for new run | 16:11 |
| angdraug | status Undecided? | 16:11 |
| bookwar_ | yes, that's new bug, we fixed the issue by server rebbot, bug is going to be triaged | 16:12 |
| bookwar_ | if there no questions about this: here are features currently in development: | 16:12 |
| angdraug | what's the status of fuel ci for puppet-openstack? | 16:13 |
| angdraug | ah ) | 16:13 |
| bookwar_ | 1) External snapshots, export/import of system test environments | 16:13 |
| bookwar_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Fuel/External_Snapshots | 16:13 |
| bookwar_ | this is an awesome wiki page everyone should read | 16:13 |
| bookwar_ | basic functionality is available, we are working on jenkins wrapper for this | 16:13 |
| bookwar_ | beta-testers are welcome | 16:13 |
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| bookwar_ | 2) Dockerized test environments spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270799 | 16:13 |
| bookwar_ | we have proof of concept, and docker files for fuel-web tests are available | 16:14 |
| bookwar_ | we are getting it integrated with internal docker registry | 16:14 |
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| bookwar_ | 3) puppet-openstackhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/deployment-tests-for-puppet-openstack | 16:14 |
| bookwar_ | noop job with master of puppet-openstack modules is available https://ci.fuel-infra.org/job/puppet-openstack-noop/ | 16:14 |
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| bookwar_ | it runs on a daily basis | 16:14 |
| bookwar_ | We need someone from puppet folks to start fixing existing fuel-library issues, there's no point in running more tests with the current state | 16:14 |
| bookwar_ | 4) we cover repositories other than fuel-library by deployment tests | 16:15 |
| bookwar_ | fuel-agent, python-fuelclient are covered | 16:15 |
| bookwar_ | https://review.fuel-infra.org/#/c/16102/ fuel-web is going to be enabled after HCF | 16:15 |
| bookwar_ | fuel-ostf and fuel-astute are in progress | 16:15 |
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| bookwar_ | so that's it for now, questions? :) | 16:15 |
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| angdraug | maximov: can you help with (3)? | 16:16 |
| maximov | i will read this bp after meeting | 16:16 |
| maximov | we need to allocate resources | 16:17 |
| maximov | for this I think | 16:17 |
| angdraug | we need a puppet developer to get fuel-library noop tests to pass with puppet-openstack master branch | 16:17 |
| angdraug | so ideally someone good at troubleshooting :) | 16:17 |
| maximov | do we know how long would it take to fix all noops tests? | 16:17 |
| maximov | does anybody try to estimate this work? | 16:18 |
| angdraug | I don't think we can without having a puppet developer look at the current state of the results | 16:18 |
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| xarses | can we assign some to get this estimate? | 16:19 |
| angdraug | given that it's passing with the versions of upstream that we currently have in Puppetfile shouldn't be anything major | 16:19 |
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| maximov | well, we will try to find resource but we already did allocation for 9.0 | 16:20 |
| angdraug | initial "get to green" part can be a few days or a couple of weeks at worst | 16:20 |
| angdraug | but then we'll need to set up a duty to keep it green | 16:20 |
| maximov | angdraug: ok, understood. yes we will add this to duty after we make them green | 16:20 |
| dklenov | I agree with maximov that it is to be aligned with 9.0 resource allocation | 16:21 |
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| angdraug | whoever you allocated for Mitaka support is going to use this jenkins job | 16:21 |
| dklenov | couple of weeks mean half of 9.0 dev time :) | 16:21 |
| angdraug | I'm aware ) | 16:21 |
| angdraug | half of _remaining_ 9.0 dev time | 16:21 |
| dklenov | it would definitely be easier to take this after 9.0 FF | 16:21 |
| angdraug | and the only blocker feature in 9.0 is mitaka support | 16:21 |
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| angdraug | we can drop anything else, we can't drop that | 16:22 |
| dklenov | nope | 16:22 |
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| dklenov | we have a number of them | 16:22 |
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| angdraug | SheenaG: ^ | 16:22 |
| dklenov | e.g. NFV items | 16:22 |
| angdraug | the deal was, no other blockers in 9.0 except Mitaka | 16:22 |
| angdraug | looks like we fell into priority inflation trap again | 16:23 |
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| maximov | yes, but mitaka support is not only fuel resources, we also have Ivan B. team | 16:23 |
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| maximov | they should work on mitaka support full time | 16:23 |
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| angdraug | yes, unfortunately Ivan is not in the meeting, please check with him | 16:23 |
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| maximov | angdraug: ok | 16:23 |
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| angdraug | it would make sense for his team to pick this up | 16:23 |
| angdraug | degorenko: around? can you ping Ivan about this? | 16:24 |
| xarses | we need to move along, can we create an action on someone | 16:24 |
| SheenaG | What's up angdraug? Sorry I'm multitasking in another meeting | 16:24 |
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| angdraug | please action maximov to coordinate with other teams and find a volunteer for puppet-openstack noop job | 16:24 |
| degorenko | angdraug, hey, yes, i'm here | 16:24 |
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| maximov | ok | 16:24 |
| angdraug | degorenko: please coordinate with maximov on ^ | 16:25 |
| xarses | #topic Build team status (kozhukalov) | 16:25 |
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| kozhukalov | 1) Docker removal: | 16:25 |
| kozhukalov | Spec has been merged https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248814/ | 16:25 |
| kozhukalov | Implementation patches are on review (announced in mos-dev) but still not final patch set, still testing them | 16:25 |
| kozhukalov | Master node deployment works, but bvt fails later on cluster deployment | 16:25 |
| kozhukalov | Preliminary agreement with Fuel team is to merge this feature on Monday 02/08/2016 (will announce) | 16:25 |
| kozhukalov | 2) Centos bootstrap: | 16:25 |
| kozhukalov | Announced in openstack-dev | 16:25 |
| kozhukalov | Spec has been merged https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273159/ | 16:25 |
| kozhukalov | S. Kulanov is working on implementation, gonna be merged till the end of iteration 7 | 16:25 |
| kozhukalov | 3) Provisioning/deployment separation | 16:25 |
| kozhukalov | Spec is on review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254270/ | 16:25 |
| kozhukalov | Got feedback from python, library and upgrade teams | 16:25 |
| xarses | #action maximov to coordinate with other teams and find a volunteer for puppet-openstack noop job | 16:25 |
| kozhukalov | that is it. questions? | 16:26 |
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| ogelbukh | do we test centos and ubuntu bootstrap images compat? | 16:27 |
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| ogelbukh | like I reboot node provisioned in centos into ubuntu bootstrap | 16:28 |
| kozhukalov | i am not sure what you mean | 16:28 |
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| ogelbukh | will metadata change or smthn? | 16:28 |
| kozhukalov | ubuntu bootstrap can not be compatible with centos one | 16:28 |
| dklenov | ogelbukh: you can do it in 8.0 | 16:29 |
| kozhukalov | it is only compatible with software we use | 16:29 |
| ogelbukh | ifaces numbering/order | 16:29 |
| ogelbukh | hw detection | 16:29 |
| ogelbukh | that kind of stuff | 16:29 |
| kozhukalov | ubuntu bootstrap runs newer kernel and has better hardware support | 16:29 |
| dklenov | plus you can include any custom driver into it | 16:29 |
| ogelbukh | so I can get some hw I didn't have before? | 16:30 |
| kozhukalov | both ubuntu and centos support persistent interface naming | 16:30 |
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| dklenov | yes | 16:30 |
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| ogelbukh | k | 16:30 |
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| angdraug | kozhukalov: we need to improve our replacement for version.yaml | 16:31 |
| kozhukalov | any other q? | 16:31 |
| kozhukalov | what do you mean? | 16:31 |
| angdraug | the current package changelogs summary is not 100% reliable (some packages don't have sha1) | 16:31 |
| angdraug | and it has to be machine readable | 16:31 |
| kozhukalov | it is a matter of package changelog | 16:32 |
| xarses | angdraug: +1 | 16:32 |
| angdraug | that's the problem | 16:32 |
| angdraug | unlike deb, rpm changelog is freeform | 16:32 |
| angdraug | and even deb format doesn't guarantee presense of sha1 in the changelog | 16:32 |
| kozhukalov | we have merged to patches in fuelclient and network-checker that "fix" this changelog related "issue" | 16:32 |
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| xarses | but we need this information for reproducing environments, if its missing we likely cant | 16:33 |
| angdraug | it has to be bullet proof, a file that you can pass as-is as a jenkins job parameter that allows one to re-create exact same Fuel master node | 16:33 |
| kozhukalov | once again, stop identifying the content of the master node by sha sums | 16:33 |
| kozhukalov | use package versions | 16:33 |
| xarses | kozhukalov: you propose that all package versions live forever then? | 16:33 |
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| kozhukalov | we don't need to re-create exact copy of the iso | 16:34 |
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| angdraug | if that's the case, we have to disable 30-day time limit on perestroika snapshots | 16:34 |
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| kozhukalov | you can not control on the build stage the content of the master node | 16:34 |
| angdraug | kozhukalov: not of the iso, of the env where a bug can be reproduced | 16:34 |
| xarses | and that somehow know how which version is present in a given env | 16:34 |
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| SergK | changelog for fuel packages now in form: http://paste.openstack.org/show/485984/ | 16:35 |
| angdraug | lets move this to ML, xarses: can you start a thread on openstack dev? | 16:35 |
| kozhukalov | seems this place is not the best for this discussion | 16:35 |
| xarses | angdraug: sure | 16:35 |
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| xarses | #action xarses will bring up viability of version information (was version.yaml) for environment triage | 16:36 |
| xarses | #topic Agenda for design summit in Austin (angdraug) https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-austin-agenda | 16:36 |
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| kozhukalov | if changelog does not contain any info about sha sums, it is not a bug | 16:36 |
| angdraug | folks, lets start brainstorming ideas for design sessions and workshops that we want to schedule for Austin | 16:36 |
| angdraug | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-austin-agenda | 16:36 |
| angdraug | if you have a feature planned for N/10.0 that is not yet fully defined and designed and could benefit from public discussion, please propose it in the etherpad | 16:36 |
| angdraug | at the very least, I think we should abundantly cover LCM use cases | 16:36 |
| angdraug | I've added it as a first proposal, we need a volunteer to lead this topic | 16:36 |
| angdraug | </report> | 16:36 |
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| angdraug | questions? | 16:37 |
| angdraug | if not, please post ideas in the etherpad | 16:37 |
| xarses | ++ | 16:38 |
| dklenov | are we going to cover solar-related items? | 16:38 |
| angdraug | yes | 16:38 |
| xarses | we should | 16:38 |
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| ogelbukh | we need couple of specs then | 16:38 |
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| ogelbukh | didn't find any bps on LP | 16:39 |
| angdraug | more than a couple I suspect | 16:39 |
| ogelbukh | ;) | 16:39 |
| angdraug | that's what the design summit is for ) | 16:39 |
| xarses | and something about upgrades =) | 16:39 |
| ogelbukh | absolutely | 16:39 |
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| xarses | moving on then | 16:40 |
| ogelbukh | the whole api for that | 16:40 |
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| xarses | #topic Telco Team Status (vsakharov) | 16:40 |
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| vsakharov | Hello folks | 16:40 |
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| vsakharov | This is update from Telco team: | 16:40 |
| vsakharov | - majority of engineers worked on the main activity - fixing bugs for 8.0 release. | 16:40 |
| vsakharov | - started the NFV design of 9.0 features. | 16:40 |
| vsakharov | Any questions? | 16:41 |
| xarses | how are we doing with the NFV features? | 16:41 |
| xarses | we don't have alot of time left for 9 development | 16:42 |
| dklenov | design specs are on review | 16:42 |
| dklenov | implementation is started for some items | 16:42 |
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| vsakharov | Also we start implementation of base items of each feature. | 16:42 |
| dklenov | xarses: yes, that's true | 16:42 |
| dklenov | implementation will start full-speed with declaring HCF | 16:43 |
| xarses | thanks | 16:43 |
| dklenov | as part of engineers were involved into bug fixing | 16:43 |
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| xarses | #topic Mixed Team Status (pzhurba) | 16:43 |
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| pzhurba | Hi | 16:43 |
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| pzhurba | Mixed team was working on bugfixing and reviews. | 16:44 |
| pzhurba | All bugs connected to HCF 8.0 was merged | 16:44 |
| pzhurba | Finished work on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/openstack-config-change | 16:44 |
| pzhurba | that is all | 16:44 |
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| pzhurba | question? | 16:44 |
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| angdraug | plans for 9.0? | 16:45 |
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| pzhurba | Now not clear | 16:45 |
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| pzhurba | multipass probaly | 16:45 |
| pzhurba | multipass support probaly | 16:46 |
| xarses | multipath? | 16:46 |
| dklenov | yes | 16:46 |
| pzhurba | yes | 16:46 |
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| pzhurba | :) | 16:46 |
| angdraug | ok, thanks ) | 16:46 |
| dklenov | plus some work on manifests idempotency AFAIK | 16:46 |
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| pzhurba | yes | 16:47 |
| xarses | #topic Fuel nonroot feature status (dnikishov) | 16:47 |
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| dnikishov | Hello | 16:47 |
| dnikishov | Current implementation status: got nailgun/fuel-agent parts working, now moved on to library: refactoring openstack::auth_file and investigating ceph puppet module | 16:47 |
| dnikishov | I have also updated the spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243340/; still need more reviews. | 16:47 |
| dnikishov | Would also appreciate Infra and QA folks reviewing it as new update contains details on CI and QA changes. | 16:48 |
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| dnikishov | any questions? | 16:48 |
| xarses | dnikishov: what about #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/fuel-nonroot-master-node | 16:48 |
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| xarses | it has no spec still | 16:48 |
| dnikishov | I'm not sure I'll have enough time for master node as well | 16:49 |
| dnikishov | so this is going to 10 | 16:49 |
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| dnikishov | and IMO it's too early for the spec for this | 16:49 |
| xarses | ok | 16:50 |
| xarses | #topic UI Team status (vkramskikh) | 16:51 |
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| vkramskikh | Hi! This week we've fixed a few High bugs for 8.0, and currently there are no UI bugs for 8.0. | 16:51 |
| vkramskikh | As for 9.0 features: | 16:51 |
| vkramskikh | 1) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/converge-to-eslint-config-openstack - implemented | 16:51 |
| vkramskikh | 2) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/remove-vendor-code - removal started: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276279/ ; as for downstream repo, there is still no CI and we have some access issues, but they will be probably resolved by the time we merge code removal and sync the repos | 16:51 |
| vkramskikh | 3) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/redesign-of-node-roles-panel - good progress, most likely will land next week | 16:51 |
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| vkramskikh | 4) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/network-requirements-popup - good progress, most likely will land this or next week | 16:51 |
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| vkramskikh | 5) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/node-display-ip-address - good progress, most likely will land this or next week | 16:51 |
| vkramskikh | 6) Ability to show all network groups - part of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/multirack-in-fuel-ui which wasn't done in 8.0 - good progress, no ETA yet | 16:51 |
| vkramskikh | 7) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/allow-choosing-nodes-for-provisioning-and-deployment - design is in progress | 16:51 |
| vkramskikh | 8) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/separate-fuel-ui-repo - slow progress, waiting for review of https://review.fuel-infra.org/#/c/16627/ | 16:51 |
| vkramskikh | 9) NFV stuff - waiting for backend and design finalization/negotiation | 16:51 |
| vkramskikh | Questions? | 16:51 |
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| angdraug | xarses: you want to bring up qemu checkboxes? | 16:52 |
| xarses | ya | 16:52 |
| xarses | what about https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1536836 | 16:52 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1536836 in Fuel for OpenStack "KVM/QEMU button combined in wizard and separate in settings" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Andrew Woodward (xarses) | 16:52 |
| vkramskikh | this is partners bug, but we can take care of it if you want | 16:53 |
| vkramskikh | most of work here is work in puppet manifests | 16:53 |
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| vkramskikh | and openstack.yaml, no UI code modifications required | 16:54 |
| xarses | I proposed last night with the help of mwhahaha to add auto feature, but there is still discussion on qemu vs kvm | 16:54 |
| xarses | holser_: ? | 16:54 |
| holser_ | I’m not sure if it’s good to have it in 8.0 | 16:55 |
| angdraug | I think this is a major UX risk that we should address in 8.0 | 16:55 |
| holser_ | it’s not | 16:55 |
| xarses | then we need to put the wizard in 8.0 back to what it is in 7.0, two choices | 16:55 |
| angdraug | if the current behaviour will lead every other operator to erroneously disable kvm in production, it is | 16:56 |
| holser_ | yeah, that’s what I think | 16:56 |
| holser_ | for instance I have environment with opterons and xeons | 16:56 |
| holser_ | and I want to have live migration | 16:56 |
| holser_ | that’s a big risk thus I wanted to discuss it publically | 16:57 |
| holser_ | moving back to 7.0 wizard seems to be better option | 16:57 |
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| xarses | thats a whole other story IMO, we would need to support not enabling all the cpu flags | 16:57 |
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| holser_ | yep! | 16:58 |
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| xarses | I still don't see the operator taking this into consideration when they build their cloud | 16:59 |
| holser_ | Should we update our documentation? | 16:59 |
| xarses | ok, I will propose back to 7.0 style in UI | 16:59 |
| holser_ | that can be fixed that way | 16:59 |
| xarses | and we can discuss 9.0 plans on the ML | 16:59 |
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| holser_ | sure | 17:00 |
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| xarses | #action xarses to create thread over QEMU/KVM on ML | 17:00 |
| xarses | thanks everyone | 17:00 |
| xarses | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 4 17:00:29 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-02-04-16.02.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-02-04-16.02.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-02-04-16.02.log.html | 17:00 |
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| tmcpeak | #startmeeting security | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 4 17:00:48 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmcpeak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:00 | |
| tkelsey | o/ | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | o/ | 17:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:00 |
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| hyakuhei | wut! | 17:01 |
| tmcpeak | #chair hyakuhei | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Current chairs: hyakuhei tmcpeak | 17:01 |
| michaelxin | hi | 17:01 |
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| bknudson_ | hi | 17:01 |
| elmiko | heyo/ | 17:01 |
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| browne | hello | 17:01 |
| redrobot | o/ | 17:01 |
| tmcpeak | yo yo | 17:01 |
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| tmcpeak | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-20160204-agenda | 17:02 |
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| browne | ha, its empty | 17:02 |
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| bknudson_ | not for long | 17:02 |
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| tmcpeak | that's for YOU to fix | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | ;) | 17:02 |
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| dg_ | o/ | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | OpenSource b*tches! | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | 8D | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | hey dg_ thanks for pushing that TA work | 17:03 |
| elmiko | hyakuhei: +1 | 17:03 |
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| elmiko | and dg_ i owe you another review ;) | 17:03 |
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| tmcpeak | allright, let's roll it | 17:04 |
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| dg_ | elmiko that'd be great if you have time, i think the template and guidance are ready for review, process is still not even a draft | 17:04 |
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| tmcpeak | #topic Bandit | 17:04 |
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| elmiko | dg_: i'll make the time! | 17:04 |
| dg_ | ty :) | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | tkelsey: roll it | 17:05 |
| ccneill | o/ | 17:05 |
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| tmcpeak | or I can :) | 17:05 |
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| tmcpeak | I think we're well on our way to 1.0 | 17:05 |
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| bknudson_ | do you have a checklist for what's needed for 1.0? | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | fantastic! | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | we'd really like to have that out in time for the summit | 17:05 |
| elmiko | nice | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson_: we don't, but Christopher brought up the very valid point that we sould | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | *should | 17:06 |
| browne | ++ | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | we probably ought to do them as tagged blueprints | 17:06 |
| tkelsey | so we are getting close to 1.0 feature set now | 17:06 |
| bknudson_ | I started this but didn't update it: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-bandit-1.0 | 17:06 |
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| tmcpeak | so after this meeting I'll spend some time adding and tagging blueprints for work that needs | 17:06 |
| tkelsey | im thinking we should aim for a code freeze in March | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson_: awesome, thank you! | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | I'll probably rip from here to blueprints | 17:07 |
| tkelsey | and then release is in april before the summit | 17:07 |
| tkelsey | any objections ? | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | tkelsey: +1 | 17:07 |
| bknudson_ | 1.0 or bust | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | :) | 17:07 |
| tkelsey | :) | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: can you hold down the fort for a few minutes? I’ve got to jump on a call | 17:07 |
| browne | that works | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | ^ sorry all. | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | it will be good to get Bandit in a nice steady state | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: yep, will do | 17:07 |
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| elmiko | tkelsey: +1 for freeze and release | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool, so after the blueprints are up, anybody can feel free to assign to themselves, etc if they want to implement something | 17:08 |
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| tmcpeak | allright, anything else for Bandit? | 17:08 |
| browne | FYI, i bumped bandit g-r from 0.13.2 to 0.17.3 | 17:08 |
| tkelsey | awesome, so it will be upto core reviewers to make sure we honour the code freeze in march and only admit bug fixes | 17:09 |
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| tmcpeak | browne: oh, cool | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | thank you | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | tkelsey: yep yep | 17:09 |
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| ccneill | sorry if this has been covered in other meetings, but do we have a plan for deploying gate jobs as soon as 1.0 comes out? | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | allright, rolling on | 17:09 |
| browne | we should also send that info on the code freeze to ML | 17:09 |
| tkelsey | awesome :) 1.0 should be very cool | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | ccneill: what do you mean? | 17:10 |
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| tmcpeak | browne: good point | 17:10 |
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| tkelsey | browne: +1 yeah | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | browne: will you be willing to do that? | 17:10 |
| tkelsey | or I can | 17:10 |
| browne | tmcpeak: ok sure | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | awesome | 17:10 |
| ccneill | i.e. do we have contacts with folks who are interested, or people who we're interested in approaching, alerting them that bandit is coming | 17:10 |
| tkelsey | browne: cool | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | thank you | 17:10 |
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| ccneill | and to get ready for the awesome | 17:10 |
| ccneill | :) | 17:10 |
| bknudson_ | keystone has the awesome already | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | ccneill: I think we were going to do something like that, but it's stalled at the moment | 17:11 |
| ccneill | tmcpeak: gotcha | 17:11 |
| tkelsey | ccneill: im not sure other than Keystone :) but the ML should be a good place to get attention | 17:11 |
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| tmcpeak | we're generally covering that under the banner of security project evangelism, although to my knowledge nobody has done anything on that front yet | 17:11 |
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| elmiko | sahara is marching towards voting bandit gate, and i know there is talk about trove adding it as well | 17:11 |
| ccneill | tkelsey: yep, just didn't know if we were gonna try to do sort of an "alpha/beta" test | 17:11 |
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| ccneill | prior to wider adoption | 17:12 |
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| tmcpeak | elmiko: once we're happy with it we should really go on tour | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | allthethings | 17:12 |
| tkelsey | ccneill: probably not worth the admin side of it, a good code freeze/hardening cycle should be sufficient I think | 17:12 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: hehe +1 | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | allright, let's do... | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Anchor | 17:13 |
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| tmcpeak | dg_: tkelsey | 17:13 |
| tkelsey | ccneill: we have integration tests that should server in place of alpha/beta build tests for the 1.0 | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | CMC support is coming through in anchor | 17:13 |
| tkelsey | s/server/serve/ | 17:14 |
| dg_ | all this talk of 1.0ing bandit has got me thinking - how far are we off anchor 1.0 | 17:14 |
| ccneill | tkelsey: cool cool | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | dg_: quite far but it’s achievable. I’d like to spend some time on that soon | 17:14 |
| ccneill | sorry, trying to do both OSSP and OSQA meetings at once :S | 17:14 |
| dg_ | ok | 17:14 |
| dg_ | hyakuhei shall we talk offline on that one tomorrow? | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | yeah | 17:14 |
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| elmiko | ccneill: very bold ;) | 17:14 |
| ccneill | elmiko: yep, it's a challenge lol | 17:15 |
| dg_ | kk lets shelf that for the mo then. go anchor! | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | what's needef for Anchor 1.0? | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | *needed | 17:15 |
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| dg_ | hyakuhei ^^ | 17:15 |
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| hyakuhei | Quite a bit | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | So we need to stabilise the API properly | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | Documentation is quite lacking | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | severely so | 17:16 |
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| hyakuhei | Need to double check test coverage but that should be good | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | agreed | 17:16 |
| dg_ | it builds thou, right? | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | Yeh | 17:16 |
| elmiko | and you guys have consulted the api-wg guidelines just to help shore up api, right? | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | Got a fancy Dockerfile for that bro! | 17:16 |
| elmiko | ;) | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | elmiko: pffft. | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | It exists to _support_ OpenSTack | 17:17 |
| * elmiko sadface | 17:17 | |
| hyakuhei | although that’s probably something that should be on the 1.0 list | 17:17 |
| elmiko | i don't mind taking a gander at the anchor api though | 17:17 |
| dg_ | there are api-wg guidelines? | 17:17 |
| elmiko | yea | 17:17 |
| elmiko | ! | 17:17 |
| dg_ | #news | 17:17 |
| elmiko | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/index.html | 17:18 |
| dg_ | elmiko that would be awesome if you could take a look at the api - we are all rather close to the project | 17:18 |
| elmiko | will do | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | given that Bandit and Anchor are already quite good, it would be awesome to get them in a mature steady state so we can concentrate on other cool stuff | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | It’s all very well and good for you to waltz in here now and say this elmiko! where were you when we were designing things :P | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: exactly | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | Anchor has some really rich features now | 17:18 |
| elmiko | hyakuhei: probably goofing off, at a guess | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | :P | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | Ok, that’s all I got for Anchor | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | cool | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | #topic OSSN | 17:19 |
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| tmcpeak | no nkinder today | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn | 17:19 |
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| tmcpeak | ^ :P | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | very small queue | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | Where has that new one come from? | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | what's dis? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/+bug/1493422 | 17:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1493422 in OpenStack Security Notes "Remove partial fix of bug #1274034" [Undecided,New] | 17:20 |
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| nsun | hello | 17:20 |
| wayward710 | hi | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | does this look related to OSSN to anybody? | 17:21 |
| nsun | no meeting today? | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | nsun: you might not be in the right place | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: nope | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | ok hyakuhei good comment, we'll close if nobody responds soon | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | Ah it’s arp spoofing in Nova | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | we’ll see if they reply. definitely more context required. | 17:22 |
| elmiko | yea, +1 hyakuhei on the comment | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | also what's the deal with the first one? | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/+bug/1523646 | 17:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1523646 in OpenStack Security Notes "Nova/Cinder Key Manager for Barbican Uses Stale Cache" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Dave McCowan (dave-mccowan) | 17:23 |
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| tmcpeak | looks like a bug, not particularly security related unless I'm missing something | 17:23 |
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| dave-mccowan | assuming we agree on the need for an ossn, i need to update it. the patch has been merged now in nova and cinder, and has been backported in cinder as a security patch. | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah we do dave-mccowan - let us know when the OSSN is up for review | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | what are the security implications of it? | 17:24 |
| dave-mccowan | the original code caches one user's, and allows another user to then use them. | 17:25 |
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| hyakuhei | ^ tadaaa! | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | ahh ok | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | yeah | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | lol | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | that sounds legit | 17:25 |
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| tmcpeak | ok cool | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | so anything else for notes? | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Sec Guide | 17:25 |
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| tmcpeak | sicarie, elmiko | 17:26 |
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| elmiko | afaik, sicarie is still working towards the next pdf version | 17:26 |
| sicarie | +1 | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | we should roll another print run :P | 17:26 |
| elmiko | otherwise we have a few small issues and bug reports that we have been working through | 17:26 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: that's what the new pdf is for | 17:26 |
| sicarie | tmcpeak: yep, that's the goal, need the pdf to run the print version | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | ahh cool | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | with a nice big jacket with elmiko and sicarie's face on it | 17:27 |
| sicarie | I have the perfect picture of "me" | 17:27 |
| elmiko | haha, i'm not sure people could handle that... | 17:27 |
| sicarie | elmiko is following up with someone who submitted a GIANT patch set - saw the first of the smaller ones come through | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | nonsense, nothing better to sell books than elmiko | 17:27 |
| sicarie | pdesai is also working on some good bugfixes | 17:28 |
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| elmiko | lol | 17:28 |
| sicarie | in short: we're making progress again :D | 17:28 |
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| tmcpeak | awesome | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | allright, anything else for guide?\ | 17:28 |
| elmiko | nothing from me | 17:28 |
| sicarie | i'm good - elmiko? | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Threat Analysis | 17:28 |
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| tmcpeak | dg_: | 17:28 |
| dg_ | sorry, RL just happened, joys of being in office | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | anybody else want to talk about it? | 17:29 |
| dg_ | first up, I have pushed another patch set | 17:29 |
| dg_ | and replied to the reviews on patch set 3 | 17:30 |
| dg_ | (patch set 4 was a noop) | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | How does the stuff in review compare with what was discussed in SA? | 17:30 |
| dg_ | in patch 5, the template and guidance is ready for review | 17:30 |
| dg_ | the process is not, i need to talk to hyakuhei about it and try and write down what planned in SA | 17:31 |
| dg_ | I think the template and guidance support the stuff you talked about in SA and will let us achieve the objectives | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei | ok cool. I think I need to come to Bristol so we can iterate on this a few times then bounce it around the Security team | 17:31 |
| dg_ | yeah, or i can come to wales | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | It’ll be end of Feb. | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | ok, we’ll try to make that work | 17:32 |
| dg_ | ahh you're afk next week when im in wales anyway? | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | + anyone else who cares, obviously. | 17:32 |
| elmiko | i'll be in Inverness in early march if you guys want to do a northern vaca? ;) | 17:32 |
| bknudson_ | I'm not going to wales. | 17:32 |
| dg_ | elmiko yeah we could do inverness | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | lol. Well fwiw I’m in seattle at the start of next week | 17:32 |
| elmiko | \o/ | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | come meet me there dg_ | 17:33 |
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| dg_ | cant mate, im in wales | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | lol | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | I think that’s it for TA | 17:33 |
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| dg_ | one other thing | 17:33 |
| dg_ | i had a play with diagraming tools - attempting to reproduce the sample from the blog | 17:34 |
| dg_ | results of my experiment are on the etherpad | 17:34 |
| dg_ | basically blockdiag is a bit broken and has a very steep learning curve, draw.io is awesome and google drawing might be a good option | 17:34 |
| elmiko | does draw.io or google output to a nice format we can embed? | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | draw.io FTW o/ \o o/ | 17:35 |
| bknudson_ | as long as we don't have to start over every time we want to make a change. | 17:35 |
| elmiko | bknudson_: +1 | 17:35 |
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| dg_ | draw.io outputs to proprietry XML which we could check in, but if draw.io went away we'd be left with a bunch of PNG and have to go away | 17:36 |
| ccneill | I think draw.io can do pdf or png | 17:36 |
| elmiko | k | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | yeh, it’s more about iterating on diagrams ccneill | 17:36 |
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| hyakuhei | blockdiag had great promise | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | but the initial level of effort required seems very high. | 17:36 |
| dg_ | +1, I wanted to love blockdiag | 17:36 |
| ccneill | hyakuhei: gotcha. yeah, it's not great for saving whole diagram state for future editing (outside their site) | 17:36 |
| ccneill | as far as I've seen anyway | 17:37 |
| dg_ | for comparison, it took me about 2 hours to reproduce the diagram in blockdiag, 11mins in draw.io and about 20mins in google | 17:37 |
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| dg_ | and it looked a LOT more readble in draw.io than in blockdiag | 17:37 |
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| bknudson_ | draw.io does have import / export, so that should work | 17:37 |
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| hyakuhei | well, lets make the decision to use draw.io on the understanding that if it goes away, we’ll have to invest effort re-drawing diagrams. Effort that blockdiag would have cost us anyway | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | bknudson_: sure. The question is if it goes away | 17:38 |
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| dg_ | hyakuhei good plan | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | nonsense, web apps are forever :P | 17:38 |
| dg_ | for the moment i have said 'use a drawing tool, here are some....' | 17:38 |
| bknudson_ | it's not google so maybe it will stick around | 17:38 |
| elmiko | lol | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | allright, onward | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | #topic BYOK | 17:39 |
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| tmcpeak | what's dis? | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://openstack-security.github.io/mid-cycle/2016/01/15/mitaka-midcycle.html | 17:39 |
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| elmiko | bring yer own key | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | Scroll down to “Bring Your Own Key" | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | yes, yes, I mean who's bringing it? | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | User | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | to where will they bring it, etc | 17:39 |
| elmiko | you are! | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/s3-encryption-with-your-keys/ | 17:40 |
| elmiko | ;) | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb/library/dn592126.aspx | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | #link http://googlecloudplatform.blogspot.co.uk/2015/07/Bring-Your-Own-Encryption-Keys-to-Google-Cloud-Platform.html | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | All the cool kids are doing it | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | Barbican don’t want to do it | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | I want to make it a thing | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | So do a few barbicaneers | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | what's needed to do so? | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | Two bodies of work | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | 1. To work crossproject to agree a set of header extensions so that services can be offered with BYOK | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | ‘keymat’,’keytype’ etc | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | No idea what they’ll look like but I’m going to try to run a design session on it | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | seems reasonable | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | what else? | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | 2. Improvements to Castellan so that it can take keymat presented to the front end and use it in place of actual key fetching operations | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | Most services are moving towards using Castellan as their key manager | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | how much work is that? | 17:42 |
| hyakuhei | So if we can make that ‘byok aware’ we don’t really need to add much logic | 17:42 |
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| hyakuhei | Depends how much of the original HTTP request gets passed through the middleware | 17:42 |
| hyakuhei | It could be a really great feature for us to add though | 17:42 |
| elmiko | currently castellan is a very thin wrapper/abstraction layer around barbican (or another) key manager impl | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | Tru | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | It can do KMIP too iirc | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | It doesn’t have to be castellan, we could put our own middleware in | 17:43 |
| elmiko | i think you are correct, or those patches are in flight | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | but if services are using it anyway | 17:43 |
| redrobot | hyakuhei KMIP support is WIP | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | it’s a nice place to add functionality | 17:43 |
| elmiko | castellan may make sense, i just don't know the byok plans well enough to comment at a deeper level | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | This is an interesting opporunity for the Security Project to drive some code changes into other projects | 17:44 |
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| elmiko | yea, it's a cool idea. no argument from me there =) | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | I’ll try to get a blog post up about BYOK on its own | 17:44 |
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| hyakuhei | Going into what it might look like, the short is I don’t fully know and I don’t think it’ll get much traction until we get project cores in the same place to talk through the idea | 17:44 |
| elmiko | makes sense | 17:45 |
| hyakuhei | Is there a sensible place to create a X-project spec for something like this? | 17:45 |
| hyakuhei | I mean we could try to discuss this on -dev | 17:45 |
| elmiko | the cross-project spec repo =) | 17:45 |
| elmiko | and, definitely bring it up on ML to get an agenda item for a cp meeting | 17:45 |
| elmiko | or, ping thingee for more ideas. he has been doing an excellent job organizing cp efforts | 17:46 |
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| hyakuhei | #action hyakuhei to put together a spec and propose some ideas on -dev | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | thanks elmiko I’ll try to rope you into this early for feedback if that’s ok? | 17:47 |
| elmiko | hyakuhei: definitely, would love to help | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | Great thanks! | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei | So that’s all I had | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | allright next up | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Blog posting | 17:48 |
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| tmcpeak | anybody have anything they want to write? | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei | BYOK! | 17:49 |
| elmiko | lol | 17:49 |
| hyakuhei | I’ll do something on the Security track for the summit | 17:49 |
| tmcpeak | yes, yes | 17:49 |
| hyakuhei | #action hyakuhei to write bloggy things | 17:49 |
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| tmcpeak | I should write something too | 17:50 |
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| tmcpeak | that's probably it for blog posts :P | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | So far I think it’s just Travis and I | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | reminder: we have a blog | 17:50 |
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| hyakuhei | Which is fine but I’d rather this wasn’t the HPE Security Blog | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | blogging is fun | 17:50 |
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| hyakuhei | So c’mon peoples! | 17:50 |
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| elmiko | i'd like to write something, but it would most likely be sahara related, is that acceptable? | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | Yup | 17:50 |
| elmiko | k | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | for sure | 17:51 |
| hyakuhei | So long as it’s related to a) Security b) OpenStack that’s fine. | 17:51 |
| hyakuhei | It doesn’t have to be hardcore on either | 17:51 |
| elmiko | yup, i was thinking a retro-spective of security enhancements that have been added recently | 17:51 |
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| hyakuhei | Sounds perfect | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | yeah that would be aweseome | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson_: a post about using Bandit in keystone would be sweet too if you have time for something like that | 17:52 |
| elmiko | ok, just make a post and put it for review in the github repo? | 17:52 |
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| bknudson_ | I could try... I've got a lot on my plate already. | 17:53 |
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| tmcpeak | fair enough | 17:53 |
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| tmcpeak | allright | 17:54 |
| tmcpeak | #topic AOB | 17:54 |
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| tmcpeak | anything else? | 17:54 |
| tmcpeak | before we wrap | 17:54 |
| bknudson_ | the draw.io "xml" format is embedded binary (base64). | 17:54 |
| elmiko | dg_: quick question about the anchor api | 17:54 |
| michaelxin | http://blog.rackspace.com/openstack-mid-cycle-session-leads-to-collaborative-production | 17:54 |
| dg_ | elmiko sure | 17:55 |
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| michaelxin | we post this one on our external blog | 17:55 |
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| michaelxin | sorry, busy with other stuff all the time. | 17:55 |
| hyakuhei | That looked really good michaelxin | 17:55 |
| tmcpeak | michaelxin: looks awesome! although I'm not thrilled with that doofy look on my face | 17:55 |
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| elmiko | so, i'm gonna go through the api and check it out. if i find anything that might be worth adding to the api docs, just go ahead and make a patch? | 17:55 |
| michaelxin | haha | 17:55 |
| tmcpeak | some of my team-mates are already using a cut from that against me | 17:55 |
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| elmiko | tmcpeak: no... | 17:55 |
| dg_ | elmiko yup :D | 17:55 |
| elmiko | lol | 17:56 |
| michaelxin | oh, no | 17:56 |
| elmiko | dg_: ack | 17:56 |
| tmcpeak | it's ok, we have a history, I knew it would happen ;) | 17:56 |
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| michaelxin | anyone wants OSSP sticker, send me your address to michael.xin@rackspace.com. We still have some left. | 17:56 |
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| dg_ | elmiko all patches welcome. unless they break the gate | 17:57 |
| elmiko | dg_: sweet! | 17:57 |
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| tmcpeak | anything else? | 17:57 |
| * tmckay now knows why elmiko is never late for Sahara :) | 17:58 | |
| elmiko | lol | 17:58 |
| elmiko | my secret is out! | 17:58 |
| tmckay | maybe I should join the api working group, too | 17:58 |
| elmiko | #action elmiko to review anchor api | 17:58 |
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| elmiko | just wanted to add that, thanks tmcpeak | 17:59 |
| tmcpeak | allright | 17:59 |
| tmcpeak | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
| tmcpeak | thanks everybody! | 17:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:59 | |
| tmcpeak | why didn't that work? | 17:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 4 17:59:26 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-02-04-17.00.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-02-04-17.00.txt | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-02-04-17.00.log.html | 17:59 |
| tmcpeak | ahh, it's just lagged | 17:59 |
| tmcpeak | have a good week everybody! | 17:59 |
| dg_ | cheers guys | 17:59 |
| elmiko | thanks tmcpeak | 17:59 |
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| nsun | cherrs! | 17:59 |
| elmiko | dg_: i might hit you up on email sometime soon | 18:00 |
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| tmckay | elmiko, oh, security, my bad :) | 18:00 |
| dg_ | elmiko sure, you got my email? | 18:00 |
| elmiko | dg_: yes, thanks =) | 18:00 |
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| elmiko | #startmeeting sahara | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 4 18:01:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is elmiko. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:01 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | o/ | 18:01 |
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| elmiko | #chair SergeyLukjanov | 18:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SergeyLukjanov elmiko | 18:01 |
| esikachev | hi | 18:01 |
| huichun | hello | 18:01 |
| elmiko | hi | 18:01 |
| AndreyPavlov | hi | 18:01 |
| Akanksha08 | Hi | 18:01 |
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| mionkin | Hi | 18:01 |
| elmiko | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 18:01 |
| elmiko | let's give folks a minute or 2 to arrive | 18:01 |
| vgridnev | hi! | 18:02 |
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| tmckay | hi folks | 18:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | my ZNC seems broken... | 18:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | hey guys | 18:03 |
| elmiko | hey | 18:03 |
| * elmiko hands microphone to SergeyLukjanov | 18:03 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 18:03 |
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| elmiko | tmckay: i added your topic to the agenda | 18:03 |
| tmckay | elmiko, nice, thanks | 18:03 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko thx for starting meetings, seems like it's my tradition to be few mins late ;) | 18:04 |
| tellesnobrega | hi | 18:04 |
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| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: hehe, no problem at all =) | 18:04 |
| tmckay | I've been working on substring searches ... have a few words about that | 18:04 |
| elmiko | mainly api v2 and security bugs for me | 18:04 |
| vgridnev | I am working on the cluster health checks, basic things are almost done, waiting for the reviews | 18:04 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I've participated PTLs interview series and talk a short story about v2 API there and security improvements | 18:04 |
| tmckay | question, it looks to me like heat is still broken in the gate, any update on that? | 18:05 |
| Akanksha08 | I am working on improving anti-affinity spec | 18:05 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | working on HDP HA for ResoureceManager and Name, need to make a final push on it | 18:05 |
| tmckay | (at least last evening we had a lot of broken tests still) | 18:05 |
| huichun | Working on EDP improvement | 18:05 |
| mionkin | working on updating of spark sahara plugin for using latest spark version (1.6.0) | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info We have 2 more weeks before the final releases for non-client libraries for this cycle, and 3 weeks before the final releases for client libraries | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info We have 3 more weeks before the Mitaka-3 milestone and overall | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | feature freeze. | 18:05 |
| vgridnev | tmckay, it looks like there keystone v3 stuff was reverted in devstack, so everything should be ok, basically | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #undo | 18:06 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Info object at 0x9750d90> | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info We have 3 more weeks before the Mitaka-3 milestone and overall feature freeze. | 18:06 |
| elmiko | mionkin: is that for the cdh plugin? | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | vgridnev how is it going with client? are we ready to release it | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ? | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | AndreyPavlov ^^ | 18:06 |
| AndreyPavlov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/272503/ is on review | 18:06 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, what is "non-client libraries" vs "client libraries" ? | 18:06 |
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| AndreyPavlov | the last thing i guess | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay oslo.msg vs python-saharaclient | 18:07 |
| AndreyPavlov | import/export spec will be added to backlog | 18:07 |
| vgridnev | SergeyLukjanov, there is an update on health checks stuff, but we can release that it in the final release I guess | 18:07 |
| mionkin | elmiko: it is for spark plugin | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we don't actually have non-client libs | 18:07 |
| tmckay | ah, thanks | 18:07 |
| elmiko | mionkin: ah, got it. thanks! | 18:07 |
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| elmiko | and yay spark 1.6.0 \o/ | 18:08 |
| vgridnev | elmiko, I bet Spark will not work with Swift again | 18:08 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko yay! | 18:08 |
| elmiko | vgridnev: most likely, but that probably has more to do with the inclusion of the hadoop-openstack.jar | 18:09 |
| elmiko | at a guess | 18:09 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko do we need "API v2 progress" topic today? | 18:09 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: i'd like to keep it on the agenda until we get it out of experimental. (kinda like how we kept sahara@horizon) | 18:09 |
| elmiko | just to help keep the train rolling | 18:09 |
| elmiko | unless there are objections to having it there for awhile | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko sure | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic API v2 progress | 18:11 |
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| elmiko | hey! | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'm absolutely ok with and it's an important complex part to be tracked well | 18:11 |
| elmiko | cool, thanks | 18:11 |
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| elmiko | i've updated the initial commit POC #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273316/ | 18:12 |
| elmiko | basically addressing some comments that SergeyLukjanov had | 18:12 |
| elmiko | i do have a question though | 18:12 |
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| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: you had mentioned on review dropping the project id stuff in the new AuthValidatorV2. what did you mean by that? | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko I'll re-iterate on it | 18:13 |
| elmiko | cool | 18:13 |
| elmiko | also, i've broken out all the endpoints hierarchies into separate python modules | 18:13 |
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| elmiko | i'd like a few opions on whether this seems like a good solution | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko I mean that probably not need the AuthValidator at all, it was a hacky way to handle something and I honestly don't remember what was the real issue | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko I think with this ACLs based auth we don't need it | 18:14 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: seemed to me the issue was assuring that the requested project id is the same as the one in the token | 18:14 |
| elmiko | ok | 18:14 |
| elmiko | i need to update the wiki page with a few more work items, but otherwise the initial commit seems to be working well so far | 18:14 |
| elmiko | that's all i have, unless there are questions | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko I expect that it'll be checked by ACL code as well :) | 18:15 |
| elmiko | most likely | 18:16 |
| elmiko | i should review the acl stuff a little deeper | 18:16 |
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| elmiko | that's all for api v2 | 18:18 |
| elmiko | #topic Anti-affinity spec | 18:19 |
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| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269202/ | 18:19 |
| elmiko | Akanksha08 | 18:19 |
| Akanksha08 | elmiko, yes | 18:19 |
| Akanksha08 | I have added a comment in the spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269202/5 | 18:20 |
| Akanksha08 | vgridnev, you had some questions there | 18:20 |
| vgridnev | yes, I do | 18:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | sorry, I've been looking on a v2 patch :) | 18:20 |
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| vgridnev | and I still have them | 18:21 |
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| Akanksha08 | vgridnev, did you read the comment I made | 18:21 |
| vgridnev | The general problem: all instances of the node group are combined into one ResourceGroup, and we can't specify Server group for each instance separately | 18:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I've not yet looked at the spec | 18:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | but we must keep backward compat | 18:22 |
| vgridnev | Any ideas how to resolve that? | 18:22 |
| Akanksha08 | but I think server group should not be tied to the node group | 18:22 |
| Akanksha08 | I did not understand why this has been done - https://github.com/openstack/sahara/commit/8f965bfd5e5ada9cdf6a26dd150ddb0294817ee1 | 18:23 |
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| Akanksha08 | we can specify server group for each instance separately in the scheduler hints | 18:24 |
| Akanksha08 | I have explained that in the comment | 18:24 |
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| vgridnev | We can't do this | 18:24 |
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| tmckay | vgridnev, is it a restriction in heat? | 18:25 |
| Akanksha08 | vgridnev, will it have any negative impact on current functionalities? | 18:25 |
| vgridnev | All instances of the node group are combined into one OS::Heat::ResourceGroup | 18:25 |
| Akanksha08 | yes | 18:25 |
| Akanksha08 | I understand that | 18:25 |
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| vgridnev | ok, and how to specify server group for each instance then? | 18:26 |
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| Akanksha08 | If the value of the get_resource is a variable say "SERVER_GROUP_NAME" + instance_index | 18:27 |
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| Akanksha08 | instance_index or any value like for server_group_1 it will be 1 and for server_group_2 it will be 2 | 18:27 |
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| Akanksha08 | vgridnev, elmiko does that look okay | 18:29 |
| vgridnev | Akanksha08, can we discuss that a little bit later? I need to make some research on heat again | 18:29 |
| Akanksha08 | vgridnev, okay | 18:29 |
| vgridnev | in #openstack-sahara maybe | 18:29 |
| elmiko | Akanksha08: from my understanding of what you have defined, yes | 18:29 |
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| Akanksha08 | vgridnev, I still have a question on why this change was made - https://github.com/openstack/sahara/commit/8f965bfd5e5ada9cdf6a26dd150ddb0294817ee1 | 18:30 |
| Akanksha08 | here what I understand is the server group param is being tied to a node group | 18:31 |
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| Akanksha08 | or should we discuss this as well on #openstack-sahara | 18:31 |
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| vgridnev | Akanksha08, server group was defined outside of the ResourceGroup, so that heat can't find definition of the server group | 18:31 |
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| Akanksha08 | so does heat expects the same to be defined inside the ResourceGroup | 18:33 |
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| vgridnev | Akanksha08, no, we can pass server group as property of the ResourceGroup, so it can be defined outside | 18:35 |
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| Akanksha08 | okay | 18:36 |
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| elmiko | are we good on this topic for now? | 18:37 |
| Akanksha08 | for me yes. I wanted to clear vgridnev's doubts | 18:37 |
| elmiko | k, thanks | 18:37 |
| Akanksha08 | and clear my doubts as well | 18:37 |
| elmiko | #topic Substring search options | 18:37 |
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| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/sahara+branch:master+topic:bug/1503345 | 18:38 |
| elmiko | tmckay | 18:38 |
| elmiko | thanks Akanksha08 and vgridnev | 18:38 |
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| Akanksha08 | :) thanks elmiko and vgridnev | 18:39 |
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| elmiko | tmckay: this is your topic =) | 18:39 |
| tmckay | elmiko, thanks | 18:39 |
| elmiko | k | 18:39 |
| tmckay | okay, here is the summary. I was using Nova as a model for how to do substring matching | 18:39 |
| tmckay | I looked at the code quickly and initially assumed nova was using a LIKE filter with % chars for simple matching | 18:40 |
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| tmckay | But, it isn't. It's actually using regular expressions for certain fields, like name (other fields are exact match) | 18:40 |
| tmckay | So here is what I propose: | 18:40 |
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| tmckay | we use regular expressions, too, for certain defined fields | 18:41 |
| tmckay | we support this for mysql and postgres | 18:41 |
| tmckay | if you use a different database, you only get exact matches | 18:41 |
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| tmckay | Nova uses LIKE as a fallback for other databases, but I'm not sure I see the point .... | 18:41 |
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| tmckay | (they also use regex for sqlite, which we could do) | 18:41 |
| tmckay | so, the initial patches are trying to use LIKE, but I need to modify them to use regex. Pretty easy change. | 18:42 |
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| elmiko | i'm +1 for the regex approach | 18:43 |
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| tmckay | so, any questions, objections? We will have regex matching for things like name, description, plugin_name, etc and exact matching for things like uuids and version numbers | 18:43 |
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| tmckay | only mysql and postgres will have this. Other stuff ... so sorry :) | 18:44 |
| tmckay | I set initial patches to WIP to modify ... | 18:44 |
| huichun | tmckay: for database we use like, for Sahara level we use regex? | 18:45 |
| elmiko | sounds good to me | 18:45 |
| tmckay | huichun, there is one place LIKE is being used currently, it could be modified (this is in counting data source references in a certain case with proxy users) | 18:45 |
| tmckay | huichun, so all of the pattern-matching get_all() methods would use regular expressions | 18:46 |
| huichun | Clear for me | 18:46 |
| tmckay | huichun, this will be hardwired for any calls through the REST api. Internal calls which use the conductor will have pattern matching turned off by default, but could turn it on with a flag | 18:47 |
| tmckay | it turns out that using regex is actually simpler :) using like raises some questions | 18:48 |
| tmckay | those questions go away with regex ;-) | 18:48 |
| NikitaKonovalov | tmckay: do we need to add any indexes to db, to make this work properly? | 18:49 |
| tmckay | NikkitaKonovalov, no, we just have to use the correct query filters for certain columns | 18:49 |
| tmckay | oops, too many ks | 18:50 |
| elmiko | 9min left | 18:51 |
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| elmiko | any other questions on this topic? | 18:53 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Open discussion | 18:53 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | 6 mins left | 18:53 |
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| vgridnev | We have two specs on the review, both have 2 +2: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254956/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266557/ . Let's concentrate and make additional reviews to approve them! | 18:54 |
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| elmiko | vgridnev: +1 | 18:55 |
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| elmiko | i suppose we're done? | 18:59 |
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| huichun | Bye | 18:59 |
| elmiko | have a good weekend all ;) | 18:59 |
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| huichun | We have spring festival this week | 18:59 |
| elmiko | ooh, that's right new year is this weekend right? | 18:59 |
| elmiko | \o/ | 19:00 |
| huichun | yes | 19:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | out of time :( | 19:00 |
| elmiko | gong xi fasai | 19:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 4 19:00:10 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thx folks | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-02-04-18.01.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-02-04-18.01.txt | 19:00 |
| huichun | Thx | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-02-04-18.01.log.html | 19:00 |
| elmiko | thanks SergeyLukjanov | 19:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko thx! :) | 19:00 |
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