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| Swami | hi | 15:00 |
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| * haleyb has to look at notes to start meeting | 15:00 | |
| Swami | just waiting for other folks to join | 15:00 |
| Swami | haleyb: hi | 15:01 |
| haleyb | #startmeeting neutron_dvr | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 6 15:01:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is haleyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_dvr)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_dvr' | 15:01 |
| haleyb | #chair Swami | 15:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: Swami haleyb | 15:01 |
| haleyb | now we can wait for others :) | 15:01 |
| Swami | haleyb: thanks | 15:01 |
| Swami | haleyb: Just added a section in the wiki for "topic to be discussed". | 15:02 |
| Swami | haleyb: I would like to discuss the live migration issues today. | 15:02 |
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| haleyb | sure | 15:03 |
| haleyb | #topic Announcements | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_dvr)" | 15:03 | |
| Swami | Wish you all a Happy New Year and a warm welcome back. | 15:04 |
| * carl_baldwin wanders in... | 15:04 | |
| haleyb | Mitaka-2 is quickly approaching - Jan 16th or so | 15:04 |
| Swami | I think the attendance is going to be pretty thin today and let us get started. | 15:05 |
| haleyb | Swami: do you want to talk about migration or bugs first? | 15:05 |
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| Swami | haleyb: there are only two new bugs this week, so let us get started with the Live migration first. | 15:05 |
| haleyb | #topic Live Migration Discussion | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Live Migration Discussion (Meeting topic: neutron_dvr)" | 15:05 | |
| Swami | haleyb: carl_baldwin: we started a discussion about the live migration couple of weeks back before the break. | 15:06 |
| Swami | oleg and myself was trying to capture all the information in the launchpad bug #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1456073 | 15:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1456073 in neutron "Connection to an instance with floating IP breaks during block migration when using DVR" [High,Confirmed] | 15:07 |
| Swami | oleg was proposing to have the neutron team come up with a proposal and then we can approach the nova broader team to addin the respective hooks for the live migration. | 15:07 |
| haleyb | Swami: you also started a discussion the -dev list, let me try and find the link to that too | 15:08 |
| Swami | haleyb: carl_baldwin: did you take a look at the discusson. | 15:08 |
| Swami | haleyb: yes I also started a discussion in the dev list. | 15:08 |
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| Swami | regXboi: hi, welcome back. | 15:09 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: I haven't | 15:09 |
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| regXboi | happy new year all | 15:09 |
| haleyb | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/082615.html | 15:10 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: no problem, you can take a look at the discussions that we had so far. | 15:10 |
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| haleyb | Swami: I did not look either as I've been out | 15:10 |
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| carl_baldwin | Swami: ok | 15:11 |
| Swami | We need to bring the nova folks attention on this item. | 15:11 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: I did see your email yesterday regarding the nova_scheduler changes required for the routed_networks and you also mentioned that it might address some of the migration issues. | 15:11 |
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| Swami | carl_baldwin: I was not sure that covers the issue that we are talking about the Nova-Neutron notifiers for the live_migration. | 15:12 |
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| carl_baldwin | Swami: more like that it will have migration implications | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | It doesn't | 15:12 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: I have also added some content in the "nova midcycle etherpad" for the nova-neutron notifiers. | 15:13 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: I need to find that | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | I will be attending the mid cycle | 15:14 |
| Swami | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-midcycle | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: thanks | 15:14 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: I will also try to join the nova meeting this thursday and will try to get the nova folks attention on this item. | 15:15 |
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| Swami | carl_baldwin: haleyb: regXboi: meanwhile we need to figure out what are the things that would be needed on the neutron side to make it to work. | 15:15 |
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| Swami | it would be great if you all can provide your feedback through the intial launchpad bug thread. | 15:16 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: will do | 15:16 |
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| Swami | I have also added couple of WIP patches to gerrit to address this in the neutron side. | 15:17 |
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| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259171/ | 15:17 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259299/ | 15:17 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/260738/ | 15:18 |
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| haleyb | Swami: and i see Paul Murray commented in the bug as well | 15:18 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: haleyb: yes I have also forwarded to Paul Murray about this issue. | 15:18 |
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| Swami | should we pull in the right folks to have a meeting to discuss this issue before the nova midcycle meetup. | 15:19 |
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| carl_baldwin | Swami: sounds fine | 15:21 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: thanks | 15:22 |
| Swami | Ok let us continue our discussion and action items in the bug report. Just wanted to bring you all up to speed. | 15:22 |
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| Swami | let us move on to the next topic if you don't have any questions on this. | 15:23 |
| haleyb | Thanks for pushing this along Swami | 15:23 |
| Swami | haleyb: no problem. | 15:23 |
| haleyb | #topic Bugs | 15:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: neutron_dvr)" | 15:23 | |
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| Swami | regarding bugs this week we have two new bugs. | 15:24 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1530179 | 15:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1530179 in neutron "get_subnet_for_dvr() returns wrong gateway mac" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Oleg Bondarev (obondarev) | 15:24 |
| Swami | oleg already has a patch for this bug. | 15:24 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/262574/ | 15:24 |
| Swami | This seem to be a straight forward bug and don't think we need more discussion to this. This patch has already been review and in progress, so let us move on to the next one. | 15:25 |
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| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1531065 | 15:25 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1531065 in neutron "duplicately fetch subnet_id in get_subnet_for_dvr" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to ZongKai LI (lzklibj) | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: should be mergeable soon. | 15:25 |
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| Swami | carl_baldwin: thanks | 15:25 |
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| Swami | This second bug is just a cleanup bug and there is patch out there as well. | 15:26 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263563/ | 15:26 |
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| * haleyb added himself to both reviews, pretty straight forward changes | 15:27 | |
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| Swami | So that's all for the new bugs. | 15:28 |
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| Swami | Let us go over the high priority bugs in the list | 15:29 |
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| Swami | The first one is the live migration, we have already dissused about this and so let us continue. | 15:29 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1456073 | 15:29 |
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| openstack | Launchpad bug 1456073 in neutron "Connection to an instance with floating IP breaks during block migration when using DVR" [High,Confirmed] | 15:29 |
| Swami | Here is the next one. | 15:30 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1462154 | 15:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1462154 in neutron "With DVR Pings to floating IPs replied with fixed-ips" [High,In progress] - Assigned to ZongKai LI (lzklibj) | 15:30 |
| Swami | This bug has a patch and it is under active discussion | 15:30 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246855/ | 15:30 |
| Swami | The next one in the list | 15:31 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1522824 | 15:31 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1522824 in neutron "DVR multinode job: test_shelve_instance failure due to SSHTimeout" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Oleg Bondarev (obondarev) | 15:32 |
| Swami | This one also has a patch and is in review for a while. | 15:32 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253569/ | 15:32 |
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| Swami | That's all in the high list. | 15:33 |
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| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1445255 | 15:34 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1445255 in neutron "DVR FloatingIP to unbound port does not work" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan) | 15:34 |
| Swami | I have added a patch to address this bug and it is in current review. | 15:35 |
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| Swami | Here is the link to the patch. | 15:35 |
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| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254439/ | 15:36 |
| haleyb | Swami: regarding the meeting wiki, I will go through and remove the items that are fixed, the page has gotten quite long | 15:36 |
| Swami | haleyb: yes we need to do some cleanup. | 15:36 |
| Swami | This is the last bug for today and probably needs some attention. | 15:37 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1365473 | 15:37 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1365473 in neutron "Unable to create a router that's both HA and distributed" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Adolfo Duarte (adolfo-duarte) | 15:37 |
| Swami | The DVR HA patch for server side is still under review, I think adolfo have addressed most of the issues and review comments. | 15:37 |
| Swami | That's all i had | 15:38 |
| Swami | haleyb: back to you | 15:38 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: Thanks | 15:38 |
| haleyb | #topic Gate Failures | 15:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Gate Failures (Meeting topic: neutron_dvr)" | 15:39 | |
| haleyb | The single-node DVR job is voting again (since 12/17) | 15:39 |
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| Swami | nice job | 15:40 |
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| Swami | haleyb: is there any new failures in gate with respect to the single node. | 15:41 |
| haleyb | the patch to add tempest debugging has stalled, do we need to push that forward? | 15:41 |
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| Swami | haleyb: As I mentioned before, the pings are not consistently working with that patch. | 15:42 |
| haleyb | Swami: the single-node has snuck up a bit in the past day, but it's trending downwards | 15:42 |
| Swami | haleyb: I am not sure if that would be of much use if the pings are not working. | 15:42 |
| Swami | haleyb: it might be due to the overall issue that we had with the gate this week. | 15:42 |
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| Swami | haleyb: I will try to do some more testing on the tempest debug patch in my local environment to check if the pings get through and then we can decide. | 15:43 |
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| haleyb | I am remembering a change from Oleg regarding port status but can't find the link, which could help with failures | 15:44 |
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| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246898/ | 15:44 |
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| Swami | is this the one that you are talking about. | 15:44 |
| haleyb | I don't think so, and i was just looking at it | 15:46 |
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| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253569/ - is this the one that you are looking for. | 15:46 |
| haleyb | yes, thanks, that was the one | 15:47 |
| haleyb | that's related to High priority https://launchpad.net/bugs/1522824 | 15:47 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1522824 in neutron "DVR multinode job: test_shelve_instance failure due to SSHTimeout" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Oleg Bondarev (obondarev) | 15:47 |
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| Swami | Yes we discussed this a while back. | 15:48 |
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| haleyb | Are there any other gate failure things to discuss? | 15:49 |
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| Swami | haleyb: don't think so, all our issues are now with the multinode and we have to wait till the migration issues are sorted out. | 15:50 |
| Swami | we can move on. | 15:50 |
| haleyb | #topic Performance/Scalability | 15:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Performance/Scalability (Meeting topic: neutron_dvr)" | 15:50 | |
| haleyb | i don't see Oleg, but there is one review listed | 15:51 |
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| haleyb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254837/ | 15:51 |
| haleyb | I will review that again | 15:52 |
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| Swami | he is not here today. | 15:52 |
| haleyb | #topic Open discussion | 15:52 |
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| haleyb | Anything else? Or you'll get 7 minutes back for fixing bugs :) | 15:53 |
| Swami | I don't have any topics for today | 15:53 |
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| haleyb | Thanks for coming everyone, including the lurkers :) | 15:55 |
| Swami | I think we can end this meeting. | 15:55 |
| haleyb | #endmeeting | 15:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:55 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 6 15:55:49 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:55 |
| Swami | see you all next week, until then bye | 15:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_dvr/2016/neutron_dvr.2016-01-06-15.01.html | 15:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_dvr/2016/neutron_dvr.2016-01-06-15.01.txt | 15:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_dvr/2016/neutron_dvr.2016-01-06-15.01.log.html | 15:55 |
| haleyb | bye | 15:55 |
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| Sukhdev | Folks - time for ML2 meeting | 16:00 |
| Sukhdev | who is here for ML2 meeting? | 16:00 |
| yalie | hi Sukhdev | 16:00 |
| yamahata | Hello | 16:00 |
| rkukura | hi | 16:01 |
| Sukhdev | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 6 16:01:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Agenda | 16:01 |
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| Sukhdev | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_January_6.2C_2016 | 16:01 |
| Sukhdev | #topic Announcements | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | Happy New Year | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev | I have been away for a while and catching up - | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | M2 is next week, I believe | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | Anybody has any updates/announcements? | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Driver API for SecurityGroup | 16:04 |
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| Sukhdev | #link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1518087 | 16:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1518087 in neutron "[RFE] Method to guarantee that at least one mechanism driver implements security groups" [Wishlist,Won't fix] - Assigned to yalei wang (yalei-wang) | 16:04 |
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| Sukhdev | I was catching up on things last night and reviewed the comments by rkukura and armax | 16:05 |
| rkukura | I just saw armax’s comment now | 16:05 |
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| Sukhdev | yalie : did you look at those comments as well? | 16:06 |
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| yalie | Sukhdev: yes, I saw the comments | 16:07 |
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| rkukura | I understand armax’s concern about avoiding unneeded complexity. I think the question is whether we need/want to support deployments where this sort of thing really is necessary. | 16:07 |
| yalie | Sukhdev: I think armax don't like the coupling between MD's | 16:07 |
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| Sukhdev | yup - he does have a point though | 16:08 |
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| rkukura | Does anyone have an immiate need to deploy ML2 in scenarios where pre-deplyoment | 16:09 |
| rkukura | where “pre-deployment validation” is not sufficient? | 16:09 |
| yalie | I don't have one | 16:10 |
| Sukhdev | neither do I | 16:11 |
| rkukura | I guess I’m thinking of scenarios supporting both normal bindings where iptables works, and and things like ironic or sr-iov where it doesn’t | 16:11 |
| yalie | rkukura: could you share ? | 16:12 |
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| rkukura | One simple case would be that a deployment includes normal compute hosts and sr-iov compute hosts, and binding in sr-iov should succeed only if no SG rules apply to the port. | 16:13 |
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| rkukura | If nobody has a short term need for this, I propose myself, yalie, and anyone else interested work up a detailed and general proposal for N, that covers enforcing semantics for SGs, QoS, and any arbitrary extension drivers that may be configured. | 16:15 |
| Sukhdev | that sounds reasonable | 16:16 |
| yalie | rkukura: yes, I will continue working on it | 16:16 |
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| rkukura | this item was on the to-do list for followup to the extension driver support being added, and I’m now convinced SGs need similar enforcement | 16:16 |
| rkukura | But I’m OK with leaving this as “pre-deplyoment validation” for Mitaka | 16:17 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura can you update the bug and bring it to a closure for the Mitaka? | 16:19 |
| rkukura | ok | 16:19 |
| Sukhdev | thanks | 16:19 |
| Sukhdev | anything else on this? | 16:19 |
| rkukura | do we have a name for N yet? | 16:20 |
| Sukhdev | I tried to vote for it while back, the website was broken - do not know what transpired after that | 16:20 |
| Sukhdev | were any of you able to vote for name for N release? | 16:21 |
| rkukura | I had not received a ballot, asked, got one, but then it got burried in my inbox | 16:21 |
| Sukhdev | :-) | 16:21 |
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| Sukhdev | It was in my inbox long time ago - I am sure now it is too late :-) | 16:23 |
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| Sukhdev | I will check after this meeting - unless somebody has answer | 16:23 |
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| Sukhdev | #action: rkukura and yalie to update the bug to get a closure on SG API for Mitaka | 16:25 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Vlan aware VMs | 16:25 |
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| Sukhdev | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243786/ | 16:25 |
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| Sukhdev | I do not know if you have been following up on this or not | 16:26 |
| Sukhdev | before I went on vacation, I had posted ML2 related issues/concerns on the patch | 16:26 |
| rkukura | did they decide to add a new resource for this, or not? | 16:26 |
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| Sukhdev | I have to follow up with the author - but, I am not sure | 16:28 |
| Sukhdev | It did not seem that there was much impact on ML2 | 16:28 |
| Sukhdev | I wanted to make sure that they call out appropriate work items in ML2 | 16:29 |
| rkukura | I cannot see how this would not have major impact on port binding. | 16:30 |
| Sukhdev | No code has been posted yet, but, it is in the works | 16:30 |
| Sukhdev | read kevinbenton's comments in response to my comment on this | 16:30 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: I’ll catch up on this ASAP | 16:32 |
| Sukhdev | yup - read his comment posted on Dec 8 in reply to my comment about port-binding | 16:33 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: limited portsec implementation | 16:34 |
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| Sukhdev | yalie : you are up | 16:34 |
| yalie | yes | 16:34 |
| Sukhdev | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250036/ | 16:35 |
| yalie | I tried to implement this limited-portsec | 16:35 |
| yalie | within one existing extesnion port-security | 16:35 |
| yalie | not sure if it is a good direction this time, welcome comments | 16:36 |
| yalie | and a concern left is that I don't know to verify if the plugin support the limited-portsec or not. | 16:37 |
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| Sukhdev | yalie : what is the use case? | 16:37 |
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| yalie | currently limited-portsec should be a option within the port-sec, so if port-sec extension loaded, it is also loaded. | 16:38 |
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| yalie | Sukhdev: use case is that when the port don't have a ip address, we don't need a full port-sec which maybe based on IP | 16:38 |
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| yalie | Sukhdev: so we add a new attr for port within current port-security, which is limited-portsec | 16:39 |
| Sukhdev | I see | 16:40 |
| yalie | its value indicates that it works in diffenent domain, 'all' or 'l2only' | 16:41 |
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| Sukhdev | I was looking at the BP - there is not much information there - hence, was clarifying | 16:42 |
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| yalie | the previous version implemented with a individual extesnion, but there will be too much overlaping and relationship between it and existing port-sec | 16:42 |
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| yalie | so the lastest patch implement it in portsec. | 16:43 |
| yalie | Sukhdev: yes, the BP most describe that work for support unaddress port, but not detailed. | 16:44 |
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| Sukhdev | thanks for the explanation - it makes sense now | 16:45 |
| Sukhdev | I will go through now and review it | 16:45 |
| yalie | Sukhdev: thanks! | 16:46 |
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| Sukhdev | anybody has any question on this? | 16:46 |
| yalie | Sukhdev: if the direction is right, I will add UT on it. | 16:46 |
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| rkukura | yalie: Did you have a question about how to deal with plugins that inherit this exception but don’t implement the new attribute? | 16:47 |
| rkukura | I meant “this extension” not “this exception” | 16:48 |
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| yalie | rkukura: yes | 16:49 |
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| yalie | rkukura: maybe detect the db schema? | 16:50 |
| rkukura | Can you define a flag or function in the DB base class that needs to be overrriden by plugins when they support the new atttribute, and that by default raises exceptions when any value is set that limits the portsecurity? | 16:50 |
| rkukura | yalie: I think you’ve added the new attribute to the existing DB base class, right? | 16:51 |
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| rkukura | If so, even unaware plugins will have the new schema | 16:51 |
| yalie | rkukura: right, add new column in the exising table | 16:51 |
| rkukura | so that’s why I was thinking of a flag in the base class that plugins need to override to enable the new functionality. | 16:52 |
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| yalie | rkukura: that's a good point | 16:52 |
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| yalie | I will try to figure it out | 16:53 |
| Sukhdev | anything else on this? | 16:54 |
| rkukura | not from me | 16:54 |
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| yalie | last question the flag, rkukura | 16:55 |
| rkukura | yalie: ? | 16:55 |
| yalie | rkukura: if we use the flag, db base class need be updated to reflect the input arg, right? | 16:56 |
| yalie | rkukura: I mean the obj init process will be updated. | 16:56 |
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| rkukura | I think the schema would be updated regardless of whether the plugin supports the attr, but the extension would reject setting the new attribute to anything but the default of the plugin doesn’t support it | 16:57 |
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| yalie | I see, thanks rkukura | 16:58 |
| rkukura | I hate to mention it, but this is the kind of thing that gets complicated with ML2, if some MDs support it, and some don’t. | 16:58 |
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| Sukhdev | Folks we are out of time | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | lets take it on neutron channel - | 17:00 |
| yalie | thanks all | 17:00 |
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| Sukhdev | Thanks for attending today's meeting - it was a very good discussion | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | bye | 17:01 |
| Sukhdev | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 6 17:01:04 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2016/networking_ml2.2016-01-06-16.01.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2016/networking_ml2.2016-01-06-16.01.txt | 17:01 |
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| rkukura | bye | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2016/networking_ml2.2016-01-06-16.01.log.html | 17:01 |
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| mugsie | #startmeeting Designate | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 6 17:01:20 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:01 |
| mugsie | #topic Roll Call | 17:01 |
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| rsyed | o/ | 17:01 |
| timsim | o/ | 17:01 |
| mugsie | so, whos here? | 17:01 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 17:01 |
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| mugsie | Kiall: ekarlso courtesy ping | 17:01 |
| Kiall | o/ | 17:01 |
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| mugsie | #topic Announcments | 17:02 |
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| pglass | o/ | 17:02 |
| mugsie | any have anything to share here? | 17:02 |
| Kiall | Happy New Year :) | 17:02 |
| mugsie | ok, then :) | 17:02 |
| mlavalle | yeah happy 2016! | 17:02 |
| mugsie | #topic Action Items from 3 weeks ago | 17:02 |
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| mugsie | Kiall investiagte 1505605 | 17:03 |
| Kiall | done | 17:03 |
| Kiall | (was done last time, I just thought it wasn't until you added it again ;)) | 17:03 |
| mugsie | Kiall bp e6adbb9 | 17:03 |
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| Kiall | same as ^ | 17:03 |
| mugsie | mugie bp ed2ba15 Merge "Check TXT record length limit" | 17:03 |
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| mugsie | done | 17:03 |
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| mugsie | kiall to file bug re update_status unnecessarily calling out to get_serial (see IRC meeting logs) | 17:03 |
| Kiall | Not done, will file after the meet | 17:03 |
| mugsie | #action kiall to file bug re update_status unnecessarily calling out to get_serial (see IRC meeting logs) | 17:04 |
| mugsie | federico3 to do backports | 17:04 |
| mugsie | I think he did | 17:04 |
| mugsie | mugsie Cancel meetings for 2 weeks | 17:04 |
| mugsie | done | 17:04 |
| mugsie | #topic Bug Triage (timsim - recurring) | 17:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bug Triage (timsim - recurring) (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 17:04 | |
| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1531049 | 17:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1531049 in Manila "Devstack stop supporting Tempest deprecated cred options" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Valeriy Ponomaryov (vponomaryov) | 17:05 |
| timsim | Looks like is being worked | 17:05 |
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| mugsie | yup | 17:05 |
| mugsie | m2 | 17:05 |
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| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1528546 | 17:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1528546 in Designate "[Docs] No upgrade notes and/or changelogs for Kilo -> Liberty" [Undecided,New] | 17:05 |
| mugsie | hum | 17:05 |
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| timsim | I think someone started a Liberty install guide | 17:06 |
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| mugsie | we really should have them | 17:06 |
| mugsie | yeah, I saw a patch | 17:06 |
| mugsie | but that was clean install | 17:06 |
| mugsie | ok, med, m3 | 17:06 |
| timsim | Yeah. We should have upgrade notes and stuff. | 17:07 |
| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1529558 | 17:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1529558 in Designate "There is no install.sh file in designate directory , may be documentation issue" [Undecided,New] | 17:07 |
| timsim | Probably changed when the devstack plugin stuff landed? | 17:07 |
| mugsie | that is in progress, assign to ekarlso , med, m2 | 17:07 |
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| mugsie | he has a patch up to fix the devstack docs | 17:08 |
| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1531294 | 17:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1531294 in Designate "periodic_sync_seconds cannot be set to None (in order to sync everything)" [Undecided,New] | 17:08 |
| Kiall | I thought that landed? (the DS docs) | 17:08 |
| mugsie | Kiall: not yet afaik | 17:08 |
| Kiall | K | 17:08 |
| timsim | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255338/ | 17:08 |
| timsim | Not yet | 17:08 |
| Kiall | re sync.. sounds like a bug, we're assuming int somewhere | 17:08 |
| mugsie | hum. should we be setting it to None ? | 17:08 |
| federico3 | there's no CR out for 1531294? | 17:09 |
| Kiall | I think it's probably a bad idea to always leave on.. but.. useful as a once off maybe? | 17:09 |
| Kiall | e.g. recover from OH CRAP EVERYTHING BROKE etc | 17:09 |
| mugsie | yeah, true | 17:10 |
| mugsie | federico3: not yet | 17:10 |
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| timsim | I'm fine with None=infinity seconds | 17:10 |
| federico3 | I have a CR out for periodic_sync so I'll take it | 17:10 |
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| Kiall | Anyway, medium -> m2... it's a crash bug so we should just fix it | 17:10 |
| mugsie | #action federico3 look at 1531294 | 17:10 |
| timsim | cool | 17:10 |
| timsim | That's it | 17:10 |
| timsim | :) | 17:10 |
| mugsie | #topic Stable Backport Triage (kiall - recurring) | 17:11 |
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| Kiall | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/483148/ | 17:11 |
| Kiall | as usual, take a few min, nominate for backporting | 17:11 |
| mugsie | None imho | 17:11 |
| Kiall | f59a573 Merge "Deprecated tox -downloadcache option removed" | 17:11 |
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| mugsie | is that it? | 17:12 |
| Kiall | I think so.. anyone else? | 17:12 |
| timsim | Yeah that's goo. | 17:12 |
| timsim | s/goo/good | 17:12 |
| mugsie | cool - who wants to do it? | 17:12 |
| Kiall | i'll do it now.. | 17:13 |
| mugsie | not everyone at once | 17:13 |
| mugsie | :D | 17:13 |
| mugsie | #topic Old Patches (mugsie) | 17:13 |
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| mugsie | so - we have a lot of old patches | 17:13 |
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| mugsie | I am suggesting that any patch that has not been updated in 28 days be "abandoned" | 17:13 |
| mugsie | this day next week | 17:14 |
| mugsie | this does not stop anyone un abandoning it | 17:14 |
| mugsie | but wilkl clear out the queue a fair bit | 17:14 |
| mugsie | the patches that would be abandoned are here - http://paste.openstack.org/show/483147/ | 17:14 |
| Kiall | Yea, is a once off cleanup rather than a general 28 day policy.. right? | 17:14 |
| mugsie | any comments / questions? | 17:15 |
| mugsie | yeah, once off to start the year | 17:15 |
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| Kiall | OpenStack Proposal Bot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258328 | Updated from global requirements <-- we should, um, merge that? | 17:15 |
| mugsie | yes | 17:15 |
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| mugsie | when the gate is working :) | 17:16 |
| timsim | I suppose so. | 17:16 |
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| timsim | 28 days might be a bit eager | 17:16 |
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| timsim | But if it's just a one-off, no big. | 17:16 |
| Kiall | yea, given the holidays, it's probably going to catch a few.. but.. those can be restored :) | 17:17 |
| timsim | A few patches there that'd get unabandoned (alias) but it's cool. | 17:17 |
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| Kiall | (or, we merge useful ones in the next 7 days ;)) | 17:17 |
| mugsie | yeah. the major problem is that they were all updated in Nov | 17:17 |
| mugsie | when the big rename happened | 17:17 |
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| mugsie | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/483150/ | 17:18 |
| mugsie | this is the list for 42 days | 17:18 |
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| mugsie | that look better? | 17:18 |
| Kiall | No diff? ;) | 17:19 |
| timsim | Yeah that looks better to me | 17:19 |
| mugsie | sure, let me get the "you lazy **" tool out | 17:19 |
| timsim | But ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 17:19 |
| mugsie | ok, so - 42 days sounds good then. | 17:19 |
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| Kiall | yea, that seems like a better cut, save restoring a bunch | 17:19 |
| mugsie | #topic Designate/Neutron Integration Update (mlavalle - recurring) | 17:20 |
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| mlavalle | hi | 17:20 |
| Kiall | hey :) | 17:20 |
| mlavalle | Before the holidays I submitted a patch for review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/212213/ | 17:20 |
| mlavalle | It got good feedback from the Neutron PTL. He asked me, though, to move the REST calls to designate out of Neutron core plugin db transactions out of performance considerations | 17:21 |
| mlavalle | I coded those changes right before leaving for the holidays | 17:22 |
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| mlavalle | and since comin back on Monday I've been testing it. It is going very well, so I expect to push the next revision today or tomorrow | 17:22 |
| Kiall | Cool, if the comments are now focusing on perf etc, that's a great sign it's really close :) | 17:22 |
| mugsie | great | 17:23 |
| mugsie | thanks mlavalle :) | 17:23 |
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| mlavalle | yeah, I agree. the other thing is that I got the attetion of the PTL. He seems to want this merged | 17:23 |
| Kiall | Who's the M cycle neutron PTL? | 17:23 |
| mlavalle | armax | 17:23 |
| mlavalle | Armando Migliaccio | 17:24 |
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| Kiall | Cool, I was trying to do the IRC -> Gerrit translation ;) | 17:24 |
| mlavalle | :-) | 17:24 |
| mugsie | anyone any questions for mlavalle before we move on? | 17:24 |
| mugsie | #topic sonuk: Blueprint for designate-bandit: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/26092 | 17:25 |
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| Kiall | none from me | 17:25 |
| Kiall | Bump stable/grizzly next version to 2013.1.1 ? | 17:25 |
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| mugsie | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/260925 | 17:25 |
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| Kiall | I had made it to adding a 4 on the end ;) | 17:26 |
| mugsie | looks like a char was missed when it was added | 17:26 |
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| mugsie | sonu doesnt seem to be here | 17:26 |
| Kiall | You familar with it already? | 17:26 |
| mugsie | nope | 17:26 |
| mugsie | I know bandit is for security testing | 17:26 |
| federico3 | (very basic one) | 17:27 |
| Kiall | Sounds like nobody is qualified to discuss this one then? | 17:27 |
| mugsie | no | 17:27 |
| mugsie | will push the nexty item as well then | 17:27 |
| mugsie | as it is sonu as well | 17:27 |
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| mugsie | #topic Open Discussion | 17:27 |
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| mugsie | any off agenda items? | 17:28 |
| Kiall | The next was about tempest-plugin, ekarlso - might be relavant? | 17:28 |
| Kiall | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/tempest/plugin.html | 17:28 |
| mugsie | yeah, I assume sonuk had a topic in mind | 17:28 |
| mugsie | will wait for them to be online | 17:28 |
| Kiall | Sounds like they made a proper plugin interface, which would be nice :) | 17:28 |
| mugsie | oh, cool | 17:29 |
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| Kiall | So - Yea, it might solve the current tempest changed again issue in a way that lasts months between breakage ;) | 17:30 |
| mugsie | any other topics? | 17:30 |
| Kiall | Not from me.. | 17:30 |
| timsim | plz review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258621/ | 17:30 |
| mugsie | Kiall: whole months? | 17:30 |
| mugsie | wow | 17:30 |
| * mugsie would be living the dream :P | 17:30 | |
| Kiall | timsim: was thinking about that on my way in today | 17:31 |
| mugsie | timsim: http://replygif.net/i/957.gif | 17:31 |
| timsim | Kiall: It's so good right? | 17:31 |
| Kiall | ideally, if we make changes like this again, we should understand the upgrade path before coding ;) | 17:31 |
| Kiall | we've messed that one up a few times! | 17:31 |
| mugsie | just a few | 17:31 |
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| timsim | Yeah true dat | 17:32 |
| mugsie | #action all review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258621/ | 17:32 |
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| federico3 | yep, upgrading is not going to be easy but the idea is very nice | 17:32 |
| Kiall | actually, can we add "Upgrade Implications" to the spec template. | 17:32 |
| mugsie | ++ | 17:32 |
| timsim | Sure | 17:33 |
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| mugsie | OK, does everyone want 25 mins back? | 17:33 |
| Kiall | Sounds good to me :) | 17:34 |
| mugsie | taking that as a yes :) | 17:34 |
| mugsie | #endmeeting | 17:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 6 17:34:15 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2016/designate.2016-01-06-17.01.html | 17:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2016/designate.2016-01-06-17.01.txt | 17:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2016/designate.2016-01-06-17.01.log.html | 17:34 |
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| cp16net | #startmeeting trove | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 6 18:00:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cp16net. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:00 |
| amrith | hello y'all | 18:00 |
| cp16net | howdy yall | 18:00 |
| cp16net | i'll give a few minutes and update the pulse... | 18:00 |
| peterstac | o/ | 18:01 |
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| vkmc | o/ | 18:01 |
| imandhan | o/ | 18:01 |
| mvandijk | o/ | 18:01 |
| schang | o/ | 18:01 |
| atomic77 | o//~~ | 18:01 |
| dloi | o/ | 18:01 |
| elmiko | hi | 18:02 |
| cp16net | hmm looks like my script is failing atm for stats | 18:02 |
| cp16net | guess i need to look at fixing it.. | 18:02 |
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| cp16net | #action cp16net fix stats script | 18:02 |
| amrith | please submit a blueprint | 18:03 |
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| amrith | in duplicate | 18:03 |
| cp16net | i'll make sure to do that :-P | 18:03 |
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| cp16net | happy new year everyone | 18:03 |
| atomic77 | hmm i noticed one of my gerrit cli utilities broke as well | 18:03 |
| cp16net | hope everyone is ready for an awesome new year! :) | 18:04 |
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| cp16net | oh... | 18:04 |
| cp16net | i bet its related to the gerrit update then | 18:04 |
| vgnbkr | o/ | 18:04 |
| peterstac | yeah, I'm not overly impressed with the latest gerrit version | 18:04 |
| atomic77 | yeah most likely | 18:04 |
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| cp16net | we'll skip the pulse update then this week and i'll have it for next week | 18:05 |
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| cp16net | i'll post it in the channel when it get fixed today | 18:05 |
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| cp16net | #topic trove-dashboard project | 18:05 |
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| cp16net | so fyi we have a separate repo now for our trove dashboard | 18:06 |
| cp16net | its a plugin for horizon | 18:06 |
| cp16net | this should allow us to move along a faster on making changes for trove's ui in horizon | 18:06 |
| cp16net | dloi: brought up yesterday where we should post bp and bugs for the new dashboard project | 18:07 |
| cp16net | i've found 2 options | 18:07 |
| cp16net | 1. a new lp project for trove-dashboard | 18:07 |
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| cp16net | 2. use trove lp and mark the bugs/bp in there with a tag of dashboard | 18:08 |
| cp16net | #2 is what a few of the other projects are doing | 18:08 |
| cp16net | (sahara and designate) | 18:08 |
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| peterstac | Hmm, I would have thought a new lp project would make sense (like we have for python-troveclient) | 18:09 |
| cp16net | from what i've seen they use the project "[ui]: bug/bp name" | 18:09 |
| amrith | cp16net, is trove-dashboard not already a new repository? | 18:09 |
| cp16net | it is already a new repo | 18:09 |
| amrith | so wouldn't #1 be the logical choice? | 18:09 |
| amrith | is there a benefit to 2? I don't see one. | 18:09 |
| amrith | sounds like a hack to me. | 18:09 |
| cp16net | https://github.com/openstack/trove-dashboard | 18:09 |
| amrith | but I may not be fully informed | 18:09 |
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| cp16net | i was thinking about what the draw backs for the each were | 18:10 |
| vkmc | I agree with amrith here... I don't see the point of tagging if we can have a new lp project | 18:11 |
| cp16net | and i'm leaning on #2 because it makes sense to keep the bp that we create (i.e. grow cluster datastore x) | 18:11 |
| cp16net | then it would have a task to update the ui | 18:11 |
| cp16net | rather than creating a separate project and manage another proejct in lp for the dashboard | 18:12 |
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| cp16net | logicvally it might make sense to do option #1 | 18:12 |
| amrith | but don't we already do that for python-troveclient? | 18:12 |
| vkmc | we already do that for trove-pythonclient and, IMO, you know that everything under trove-dashboard is for the UI | 18:13 |
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| cp16net | right the client is managed separately which i've seen how the client gets forgotten about | 18:14 |
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| cp16net | we manage most of the client bp stuff in trove as it is today | 18:14 |
| cp16net | with the spec that is created for trove | 18:14 |
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| cp16net | i see the dashboard specs being similar in nature | 18:15 |
| tellesnobrega | i agree with cp16net on this, it will be one more place to track, its easier to tag on the main project unless we have a major problem with that | 18:15 |
| amrith | I guess to put the blunt question, how's dashboard different from CLI? | 18:15 |
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| amrith | I have a major problem with it. | 18:16 |
| cp16net | amrith: i'd say not much | 18:16 |
| amrith | we are relying on people putting text in a text field | 18:16 |
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| amrith | which can't be tracked/guaranteed/ensured | 18:16 |
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| amrith | and then there's the issue of control | 18:17 |
| imandhan | Is there a built in tag on lp that we could use instead of the [ui] in front of the name of bug/bp? | 18:17 |
| vkmc | that ^ | 18:17 |
| amrith | the dashboard has, in theory, joint control with horizon-core | 18:17 |
| cp16net | imandhan: you can make up any tag you want | 18:17 |
| amrith | therefore we would have to come up with a way to say that horizon-core can be bug managers for bugs with [dashboard] in the description. | 18:17 |
| amrith | or [dashboard] as a tag | 18:17 |
| amrith | seems kludgy to me. | 18:18 |
| cp16net | tracking it with the dashboard tag would help aggregasting them | 18:18 |
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| vkmc | let's vote? | 18:20 |
| cp16net | anyone else have an opinion? | 18:20 |
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| cp16net | i heard 2-2 right now | 18:20 |
| pmackinn | seems like ui+impl changesets would be common | 18:20 |
| pmackinn | unless we link them for #1 | 18:21 |
| amrith | let's hear from someone who would be making ui changes. | 18:21 |
| amrith | dloi? | 18:21 |
| dloi | I have a couple of questions first | 18:21 |
| dloi | are we proposing putting UI bp descriptions in the trove specs as well? | 18:22 |
| dloi | For example this is the minimal spec we have to do in horizon https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/trove-support-cluster-grow-shrink | 18:22 |
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| cp16net | i think that would be ideal because to have a complete solution it would require the ui as well | 18:23 |
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| imandhan | Is it possible to have them in a separate repo (#2) and have them automatically show up with a [dashboard] tag in the trove lp page as well? | 18:24 |
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| cp16net | the ui changes can be done by someone else from the feature code in trove | 18:24 |
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| vgnbkr | The changes due to a trove spec can already be broken up amongst several people. | 18:24 |
| cp16net | depeding on how you configure gerrit to understand the project bug number it would work | 18:24 |
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| vkmc | maybe the person implementing the logic is not the same as the one implementing the ui | 18:25 |
| cp16net | right it can be done out of band | 18:25 |
| vkmc | s/maybe/most of the times/ | 18:25 |
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| vkmc | and having everything all together make it harder to keep track of all the changes you want to do | 18:25 |
| vkmc | s/want/want and need/ | 18:26 |
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| johnma | I think the question is whether we want to go through the spec process in Trove for the new Trove-dashboard features. I dont think horizon does that | 18:27 |
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| cp16net | no most proejcts dont have a separate spec for ui features | 18:28 |
| amrith | just a time check, it is 27 past the hour | 18:28 |
| dloi | ok so if we add a section for the UI user experience in the trove-spec then I'm ok with that. I would prefer a separate LP for tracking bugs like the python-troveclient. | 18:28 |
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| cp16net | thanks amrith | 18:28 |
| imandhan | Why don't we have a separate lp page for trove-dashboard and have those bugs/bps(no trove specs, just the way trove ui has been currently having short descriptions) show up in the trove lp page as well with a [dashbaord] tag that way it's getting visibility which will enable faster merges - satisfying the motivation behind creating a trove-dashboard repo | 18:29 |
| peterstac | dloi, that makes sense to me (a trove-dashboard lp repo for bugs only and a section in the trove-spec doc) | 18:29 |
| vgnbkr | +1 dloi | 18:29 |
| dougshelley66 | dloi +1 | 18:29 |
| cp16net | lets make a vote on it | 18:29 |
| johnma | +1 to dloi's suggestion | 18:29 |
| amrith | +1 to dloi | 18:30 |
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| vkmc | dloi, +1 | 18:30 |
| mvandijk | +11 | 18:30 |
| schang | dloi, +1 | 18:30 |
| SlickN1k | dloi: ++ | 18:30 |
| peterstac | I guess we just voted ;) | 18:30 |
| dougshelley66 | dloi for president | 18:30 |
| cp16net | #startvote Should we use a separate lp project for trove-dashboard? Yes, No, Shrugs | 18:30 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Should we use a separate lp project for trove-dashboard? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Shrugs. | 18:30 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 18:30 |
| johnma | :) | 18:30 |
| amrith | #vote dloi | 18:31 |
| openstack | amrith: dloi is not a valid option. Valid options are Yes, No, Shrugs. | 18:31 |
| amrith | #vote Yes | 18:31 |
| peterstac | #vote yes | 18:31 |
| dougshelley66 | #vote Yes | 18:31 |
| imandhan | #vote yes | 18:31 |
| schang | #vote yes | 18:31 |
| vgnbkr | #vote yes | 18:31 |
| mvandijk | #vote yes | 18:31 |
| johnma | #vote yes | 18:31 |
| dloi | #vote Yes | 18:31 |
| pmackinn | #vote Shrugs | 18:31 |
| SlickN1k | #vote yes | 18:31 |
| tellesnobrega | #vote yes | 18:31 |
| vkmc | #vote yes | 18:31 |
| cp16net | #vote No | 18:31 |
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| cp16net | #endvote | 18:32 |
| openstack | Voted on "Should we use a separate lp project for trove-dashboard?" Results are | 18:32 |
| openstack | Yes (12): dloi, schang, vkmc, tellesnobrega, amrith, vgnbkr, peterstac, imandhan, johnma, mvandijk, SlickN1k, dougshelley66 | 18:32 |
| openstack | Shrugs (1): pmackinn | 18:32 |
| openstack | No (1): cp16net | 18:32 |
| cp16net | looks like like a landslide | 18:32 |
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| SlickN1k | cp16net: Is this code that we will be shipping as part of the openstack release? | 18:32 |
| cp16net | SlickN1k: yes it will be part of the release | 18:33 |
| atomic77 | oh no i didn't get my shrug in | 18:33 |
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| atomic77 | #vote Shrugs | 18:33 |
| cp16net | :) | 18:33 |
| dougshelley66 | cp16net do we know if it is going to be packaged? | 18:34 |
| cp16net | @action cp16net make new lp project to manage the trove-dashboard | 18:34 |
| dougshelley66 | do we also need to change the spec template to include dashboard impact? | 18:34 |
| dougshelley66 | should that be an action | 18:34 |
| peterstac | I can push something up for that dougshelley66 | 18:35 |
| cp16net | dougshelley66: i'm not sure on all the details of how that will work but i expect it to be available as a plugin for horizon via pypi and pacakged for distros as well | 18:35 |
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| dougshelley66 | cp16net thx | 18:35 |
| * amrith winces | 18:35 | |
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| SlickN1k | dougshelley66: Yes, I think we should — I would shudder to think that we'd require a separate spec just for UI implementations of trove features. | 18:35 |
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| cp16net | yeah i dont think that detail was refuted | 18:36 |
| dougshelley66 | SlickN1k right - I think we all agreed on that above | 18:36 |
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| cp16net | #action cp16net trove spec include dashboard section | 18:36 |
| cp16net | ok moving on :) | 18:36 |
| SlickN1k | Awesome :) | 18:36 |
| cp16net | #topic Announcements | 18:36 |
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| amrith | I have one. | 18:37 |
| cp16net | i think amrith had an announcement :) | 18:37 |
| amrith | Just a heads-up for all of you, and you will be seeing this on the ML shortly. I would like to nominate Mariam John (johnma) to the Trove core team. Mariam has been working on Trove for a while now, and did a lot of the early work on CouchDB and DB2. I look forward to working with her further on Trove, and in the future as a member of Trove core. | 18:37 |
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| amrith | that's it for me. | 18:37 |
| vkmc | amrith, +1 | 18:37 |
| vkmc | johnma, \o/ | 18:38 |
| amrith | thanks vkmc, email to the ML just went out. | 18:38 |
| cp16net | awesome :) | 18:38 |
| vkmc | super | 18:38 |
| johnma | Thank you. | 18:38 |
| SlickN1k | amrith: I've had the pleasure of working with johnma on db2 / couchdb before — I'm ++ to that as well. | 18:38 |
| SlickN1k | Will reply to the ML thread. | 18:38 |
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| amrith | Thx SlickN1k | 18:39 |
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| cp16net | i'm on board as well | 18:39 |
| amrith | Please let SlickNik know as well ... | 18:39 |
| cp16net | one of other announcements i have is that in 2 weeks m-2 will be cut | 18:39 |
| cp16net | then m-3 feature freeze will be at the end of February | 18:40 |
| cp16net | I know there are lots of specs in progress but i'd love to see code soon for them :) | 18:40 |
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| cp16net | ok moving on | 18:41 |
| cp16net | #topic Looking for comments (Trove meets HBase) | 18:41 |
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| cp16net | i think this is amrith | 18:41 |
| amrith | yup | 18:41 |
| amrith | as it says in the meeting note, I'm looking for thoughts on how to proceed | 18:41 |
| amrith | I am not looking for comments on the spec in the meeting. Rather there seems to be an issue about whether Trove should even go hear HBase or whether we should just say that's Sahara's turf. A question was raised in the spec review of whether this has been discussed on the ML. I'm happy to post the question on the ML but before I did that, I wanted to poll the team to see what people felt. It is my belief that | 18:41 |
| amrith | HBase is a database and offering support for HBase through Trove, where Trove provisions and manages the instances independent of Sahara, is something of value. I realize that there are others who feel differently. The code is up there for review as well (see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/262048/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/262815). | 18:41 |
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| amrith | One thought it to put it on the ML | 18:42 |
| amrith | I could do that. | 18:42 |
| pmackinn | +1, reach out to sahara | 18:42 |
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| cp16net | while sahara focuses on hadoop | 18:43 |
| pmackinn | elmiko aka mike mccune from sahara | 18:43 |
| elmiko | hadoop/spark/storm/etc... | 18:43 |
| cp16net | how does hbase work within sahara? | 18:43 |
| cp16net | is it managed separately? | 18:43 |
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| elmiko | iirc, through the cloudera/hortonworks/mapr plugins, hbase is managed through those vendor provided solutions | 18:44 |
| amrith | Is it the intent that Sahara is somehow different and therefore while all other databases can be managed and orchestrated by Trove, Sahara has exclusive control over Hadoop based databases? | 18:44 |
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| cp16net | i could see where a user would want to have hbase setup for them maybe independantly of a full hadoop deployment | 18:44 |
| elmiko | sahara does not actively "manage" the hbase cluster | 18:44 |
| cp16net | is that possible? | 18:44 |
| elmiko | amrith: definitely not | 18:45 |
| amrith | cp16net, yes | 18:45 |
| amrith | that's the specific use case I'm targeting | 18:45 |
| elmiko | i think as long as you are talking about smaller hbase deployments then it might make sense, but as you scale out hbase to interact with more hadoop technologies it can become quite complicated | 18:46 |
| cp16net | so while there is overlap that habase could be "installed" from both projects but the managing of the service would greatly differ | 18:46 |
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| pmackinn | fundamentally, there is the hdfs cluster itself | 18:47 |
| elmiko | i think there may even be a possibility for trove to use sahara as a provisioning engine for hbase clusters, but this obviously carries other baggage | 18:47 |
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| vkmc | don't know much about HBase, but I'm aware it is a big data store... in that sense, how much this overlaps with Sahara? are we expecting to fully support HBase? having backups, for example, for a big HBase deploy doesn't make much sense | 18:47 |
| amrith | vkmc, how's that hbase specific | 18:47 |
| amrith | what does a backup of a huge cassandra do for you? | 18:48 |
| cp16net | (i've not worked with hadoop) it seems like maybe even the opposite could happen elmiko where sahara used trove to provision the hbase cluster? | 18:48 |
| elmiko | cp16net: i suppose that's possible too, although it might become troublesome with the vendor provided plugins we have now (as they provision/manage hbase) | 18:49 |
| amrith | this isn't a question of technologies; there is code in Sahara to manage hdfs and code in trove to provision databases. it is a matter of use-cases. People want a common management plane for their db's. that's the Trove value proposition. | 18:49 |
| amrith | and hbase is a database | 18:49 |
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| cp16net | heres a dumb question... are there use cases outside of hadoop for hbase? | 18:50 |
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| cp16net | i assume yes... | 18:50 |
| elmiko | good question, and that's what i was thinking too | 18:50 |
| amrith | I don't understand the question | 18:50 |
| cp16net | but i have not idea | 18:50 |
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| cp16net | amrith: so i know that hbase is used for hadoop | 18:51 |
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| cp16net | but what other use cases outside of hadoop is hbase used in? | 18:51 |
| cp16net | if there are many other applications of hbase then i could see it being more benifical in trove | 18:51 |
| cp16net | if not then not sure it makes as much sense | 18:51 |
| amrith | hbase can run on plain file system, no hdfs | 18:51 |
| elmiko | well, hdfs/hbase could be used by other apache based data processing frameworks | 18:52 |
| amrith | that's called standalone | 18:52 |
| pmackinn | pig, hive, spark, etc. | 18:52 |
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| elmiko | even in standalone mode though, you wouldn't be using hbase like say, mysql or mongo | 18:53 |
| amrith | and as pmackinn says ... you can put tons of things above hbase | 18:53 |
| amrith | elmiko, why? | 18:53 |
| amrith | or rather why not? | 18:53 |
| pmackinn | above hdfs | 18:53 |
| amrith | how does one use mysql different from hbase? | 18:53 |
| amrith | but anyway, cp16net I didn't think we'd be able to resolve this here | 18:54 |
| amrith | I'm looking for next steps. | 18:54 |
| elmiko | my understanding is that the coupling between hbase and the other hadoop technologies is much tighter than just using hbase as a generic database (but, i could be wrong about this) | 18:54 |
| pmackinn | hadoop was invented to deal with the shortcomings of traditional rdbms :-) | 18:54 |
| amrith | ouch | 18:54 |
| amrith | we can start the sql-NoSQL battle here now. | 18:54 |
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| elmiko | lol | 18:54 |
| amrith | I'm proposing that I put this on the ML | 18:55 |
| amrith | the code is there | 18:55 |
| atomic77 | pmackinn, not exactly :) | 18:55 |
| amrith | not just the spec | 18:55 |
| elmiko | amrith: +1 | 18:55 |
| cp16net | amrith: i think that would makes sense | 18:55 |
| pmackinn | atomic77, bring it on | 18:55 |
| amrith | ok, done. | 18:55 |
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| cp16net | because i know others will question this as well | 18:55 |
| elmiko | it would be nice to get some of our hbase experts to take a closer look | 18:55 |
| amrith | pmackinn, you'll lose. I'll put money on that. | 18:55 |
| vkmc | +1 for thread in the ML | 18:55 |
| cp16net | +1 for ML | 18:56 |
| pmackinn | faster queries over larger datasets | 18:56 |
| amrith | cp16net, I'm done. | 18:56 |
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| cp16net | #topic open discussion | 18:56 |
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| cp16net | anything else to bring up? | 18:56 |
| pmackinn | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-trove-midcycle-rsvp as usual | 18:56 |
| atomic77 | pmackinn, hadoop was originally just an opensource impl of mapreduce which was more targeted as easier distributed processing | 18:56 |
| pmackinn | not "easier" | 18:56 |
| atomic77 | i guess you could argue that that was necessary due to rdbms deficiencies but if you read the original paper that was very unlikely to have been cited as a motivation | 18:57 |
| atomic77 | now bigtable, on the other hand (which is what hbase is based on) is definitely | 18:57 |
| cp16net | alright i'll let you guys fight it out.... | 18:57 |
| amrith | pmackinn, atomic77 take it to the parking lot ;) | 18:57 |
| cp16net | but any thing else? | 18:57 |
| pmackinn | hadoop is MR+HDFS, so not just processing | 18:57 |
| cp16net | #endmeeting | 18:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 6 18:58:13 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2016/trove.2016-01-06-18.00.html | 18:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2016/trove.2016-01-06-18.00.txt | 18:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2016/trove.2016-01-06-18.00.log.html | 18:58 |
| cp16net | thanks everyone! :) | 18:58 |
| elmiko | thanks cp16net | 18:58 |
| vkmc | thanks all o/ | 18:58 |
| pmackinn | ciao, great meeting! | 18:58 |
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| tellesnobrega | bye, see you next meeting | 18:58 |
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| dougwig | o/ | 19:59 |
| johnsom | #startmeeting Octavia | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 6 20:00:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnsom. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| sbalukoff | Howdy, folks! | 20:00 |
| rm_work | o/ | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:00 |
| bana_k | hi | 20:00 |
| TrevorV | o/ | 20:00 |
| johnsom | Hi all | 20:00 |
| johnsom | #topic Announcements | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:00 | |
| ajmiller | o/ | 20:00 |
| TrevorV | Lookin forward to that there Meetup amirite?!?! | 20:00 |
| johnsom | Top of the list is: Happy New Year! | 20:00 |
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| sbalukoff | Yep! | 20:00 |
| eranra | Hello | 20:00 |
| johnsom | Looking forward to some bbq | 20:00 |
| rm_work | yeah, gonna get me some BBQ since no one down here will go to BBQ with me :P | 20:01 |
| rm_work | need you guys to come in from WA so I can actually go | 20:01 |
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| TrevorV | Hey now, I went the last time we all went (as far as I remember) | 20:01 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: I'm in! | 20:01 |
| blogan | hi | 20:01 |
| xgerman | rm_work no worries BBQ every day! | 20:01 |
| johnsom | Such a shame | 20:01 |
| TrevorV | I got the chili dog | 20:01 |
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| rm_work | lol | 20:01 |
| johnsom | Midcycle in San Antonio, TX - January 12-15 | 20:01 |
| johnsom | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lbaas-mitaka-midcycle | 20:01 |
| johnsom | Speaking of the mid-cycle. | 20:02 |
| dougwig | my goal is to see blogan towed again. | 20:02 |
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| xgerman | dougwig lol | 20:02 |
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| sbalukoff | Haha! | 20:02 |
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| johnsom | I have added just a few topics. I would also like to propose a day where we focus on fixing bugs as we have a bit of a backlog | 20:02 |
| xgerman | johnsom is commandeering our car ;-) | 20:02 |
| blogan | my goal is to see everyone else get towed | 20:02 |
| minwang2 | o/ | 20:03 |
| blogan | johnsom: good idea | 20:03 |
| johnsom | Yeah, I can drive by an open parking space and park in a tow zone.... | 20:03 |
| TrevorV | johnsom that's a great idea, however that was honestly part of my plan for next week. I've been so out of the loop working on internal stuffs, I thought I'd focus my time throughout the whole thing on bugs. The more the better, however :D | 20:03 |
| johnsom | Ok, I have proposed Wednesday as bug day. That gives us a day to chat about the other topics. We could slide it to Thursday though. | 20:04 |
| johnsom | Cool, sounds like folks are on board. | 20:04 |
| dougwig | bug day should be the day we make the biggest effort to have remote involvement, IMO. | 20:04 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: +1 | 20:04 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:04 |
| rm_work | Yeah, we are figuring that out... we didn't get a room with builtin VC again, so ... we're looking at getting webcams set up again... | 20:05 |
| rm_work | hopefully we can have a couple of webcams to point at whiteboards | 20:05 |
| johnsom | Yep, sounds good. Maybe we should make it Thursday, just to have a fixed day, as Tuesday could run into Wednesday | 20:05 |
| rm_work | the room should at least have VOICE VC I hope | 20:05 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom: I suspect we'll have enough to talk about with the other topics that that will take more than one day. | 20:06 |
| TrevorV | rm_work I may just bring in my studio mic and tower to handle all the visual stuffs | 20:06 |
| blogan | oh btw this time around there will only be drinks and snacks, no unlimited bacon and eggs for breakfast like last time, sooo everyone should eat breakfast before they come if htey eat breakfast | 20:06 |
| sbalukoff | So I would say "Let's make Thursday the bug day" | 20:06 |
| blogan | rm_work: its the same room as last time so if it did then it does now | 20:06 |
| xgerman | blogan no bacon... | 20:06 |
| johnsom | Ok, updated for Thursday is bug day. Remote folks should join. | 20:06 |
| xgerman | let’s revisit that... | 20:07 |
| rm_work | yes, we should revisit the no bacon situation | 20:07 |
| TrevorV | xgerman just to be clear, you guys didn't offer bacon in the mornings EITHER... | 20:07 |
| johnsom | Haha, ok, that was a question I had. So no breakfast supplies this time. | 20:07 |
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| blogan | there will probably be granola bars or something | 20:07 |
| dougwig | red bull? | 20:08 |
| sbalukoff | Heh! | 20:08 |
| johnsom | There were frozen breakfast sandwiches in the kitchen, but yes, no bacon | 20:08 |
| rm_work | do we have a budget for tacos or something? lol | 20:08 |
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| blogan | yes i made sure to specifically mention red bull | 20:08 |
| TrevorV | johnsom when those of us who are collectings snacks ACTUALLY collect the snacks, we can pick up like, Poptarts or something that could be consumed for breakfasts... but it won't be a full balanced meal or anything | 20:08 |
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| johnsom | Ok, good info. It sounds like we are going to have great turnout | 20:08 |
| TrevorV | rm_work if you want to be the costco card supplier, we can go pick up large amounts of taco making supplies, and just DO it... | 20:08 |
| TrevorV | If'n you're wantin ta | 20:08 |
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| johnsom | Any other questions/comments about the mid-cycle? | 20:09 |
| rm_work | heh | 20:09 |
| rm_work | I meant like, Benny's :P | 20:09 |
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| blogan | is everyone who is going signed up on the therpad? | 20:09 |
| xgerman | TrevorV I have a Coisyco card... | 20:09 |
| blogan | and is everyone is signed up on the etherpad still going? | 20:09 |
| rm_work | worst case there's TacoC across the street that does cheap 12-packs of tacos | 20:09 |
| xgerman | so we can also have muffins ;-) | 20:09 |
| dougwig | blogan: most years it's the etherpad plus a few. | 20:09 |
| blogan | dougwig: yeah thats what i'm wondering, bc we're already pushign capacity on that one room, well at least that big table in that room | 20:10 |
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| sbalukoff | I'm pretty sure all the IBM and Blue Box folks listed on the etherpad are all still going. | 20:10 |
| johnsom | I know bedis is coming, he e-mailed me about it | 20:10 |
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| blogan | he's signed up too | 20:10 |
| johnsom | Yep. Any possibility of a break-out room for the FWaaS folks? | 20:10 |
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| blogan | i was going to ask to see if any of the surrounding rooms are available, not sure if they will be on short notice | 20:11 |
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| johnsom | Ok, thanks. | 20:11 |
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| johnsom | Also: GSLB Midcycle in Seattle - January 20-22 | 20:12 |
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| johnsom | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kosmos_2016_winter_midcycle_meetup | 20:12 |
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| johnsom | In case folks are interested in GSLB/Kosmos | 20:12 |
| sbalukoff | It's in my back yard... but do you *really* want me coming? ;) | 20:12 |
| johnsom | We are a welcoming community.... | 20:13 |
| johnsom | As long as you are ready to code..... grin | 20:13 |
| dougwig | sbalukoff: if you want to contribute, sure. | 20:13 |
| xgerman | And I can bring some bacon from the homewood | 20:13 |
| sbalukoff | (he said, begrudgingly, through clenched teeth) | 20:13 |
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| sbalukoff | :) | 20:13 |
| johnsom | #topic Brief progress reports | 20:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Brief progress reports (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:13 | |
| sbalukoff | I need some eyes on this, please: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256369/4 | 20:14 |
| johnsom | Ok, what is new other than holiday weight loss plans? | 20:14 |
| johnsom | Cool | 20:14 |
| sbalukoff | I'm working on L7 functionality for Octavia, and it's going to be dependent on that patch. So, I really need some feedback before I potentially waste a whole lot of effort. | 20:14 |
| TrevorV | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256369/4 | 20:15 |
| johnsom | Before the break I was mostly working on bug fixes. Some of which can use review still. | 20:15 |
| eranra | https://bugs.launchpad.net/octavia/+bug/1514510 | 20:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1514510 in octavia "Delete of last member does not remove it from haproxy config" [Critical,Fix committed] - Assigned to Eran Raichstein (eranra) | 20:15 |
| minwang2 | we got lbaas/Octavia status tree API documented and tested , the patch has been merged #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256884 | 20:15 |
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| johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256369/4 | 20:15 |
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| johnsom | Just to get it in the minuts | 20:16 |
| TrevorV | Copycat johnsom I already did that :D | 20:16 |
| johnsom | eranra Yes, thank you for fixing that! | 20:16 |
| TrevorV | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/octavia/+bug/1514510 | 20:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1514510 in octavia "Delete of last member does not remove it from haproxy config" [Critical,Fix committed] - Assigned to Eran Raichstein (eranra) | 20:16 |
| sbalukoff | Sweet! | 20:16 |
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| eranra | I was not sure it was real ... but it was :-) | 20:16 |
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| johnsom | That was one of our critical bugs, so good to have fixed | 20:17 |
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| sbalukoff | Yes, thank you very much for that! | 20:17 |
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| eranra | Also, if you can look on the new version of N+1 | 20:17 |
| eranra | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234639/2/specs/version1/active-active-topology.rst | 20:17 |
| johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259240/ | 20:18 |
| johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/259130 | 20:18 |
| johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/257643 | 20:18 |
| johnsom | Are all bug fixes that need review | 20:18 |
| sbalukoff | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234639/2/specs/version1/active-active-topology.rst | 20:18 |
| johnsom | Yep, active-active would be good to have some review before next week. | 20:19 |
| sbalukoff | N+1 is a topic we're going to be discussing next week as well, so it'd be good to get feedback on that prior to the face-to-face so we can accelerate things next week (where time is going to be short anyway) | 20:19 |
| sbalukoff | Jinx! | 20:19 |
| johnsom | Ok, any other progress to report? I think I saw some event streamer patches and some "get me an LB" | 20:19 |
| xgerman | get me an LB was WIP | 20:20 |
| sbalukoff | I imagine it's still WIP? | 20:20 |
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| blogan | yeah i should have the get me an LB ready to go soon, but the neutron-lbaas side I need to figure things out | 20:20 |
| johnsom | Yep. This is progress reports, so, opportunity for updates, etc. not just review requests (IMHO) | 20:21 |
| blogan | bc with how we're supposed to do extensions to add features in neutron-lbaas throws a wrench and how i wanted to do it | 20:21 |
| xgerman | sounds like a mid cycle discussion topic? | 20:21 |
| blogan | probably, though ive been meaning to interrogate dougwig about some of it | 20:21 |
| johnsom | Ok, moving on... | 20:22 |
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| johnsom | #topic Discuss review velocity | 20:22 |
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| johnsom | I am guilty here as well, but wanted to mention it. | 20:22 |
| sbalukoff | Well... review velocity is going to be crap right now because everyone was on vacation. | 20:22 |
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| blogan | holidays augmented the problem | 20:22 |
| sbalukoff | But you're right-- we need more people reviewing. | 20:22 |
| dougwig | i am super guilty. | 20:22 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: Yep. | 20:22 |
| johnsom | We have a bunch of stuff up for review, so cores if you can make some cycles.... | 20:22 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: Oh, we know. ;) | 20:23 |
| blogan | i'm afraid to look at stackalytics, but here we go | 20:23 |
| johnsom | I will call out one, a one line change, that had three +2's, but no +A for most of December | 20:23 |
| xgerman | well, the human CI takes a lot of time | 20:24 |
| blogan | and the reason for 2 +2's without a +A? | 20:24 |
| johnsom | Thank you to blogan for getting that done | 20:24 |
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| xgerman | I am reluctant to +A stuff I haven’t run… since I can’t trust our CI | 20:24 |
| johnsom | Agreed, I have the ruler on my wrist too.... grin | 20:24 |
| blogan | xgerman: even if all the jobs tested the real drivers, that feature would not have been tested by them, so human interaction would have been required | 20:25 |
| blogan | but honestly, that patch is perfect for a scenario test, which does test the real drivers | 20:25 |
| xgerman | ;-) | 20:25 |
| johnsom | Yeah, we have a gap with octavia specific testing. I want to talk about that at the mid-cycle. | 20:25 |
| blogan | well i mean a neutron-lbaas scenario test could be written to test that | 20:26 |
| johnsom | We need to pick a test framework and get some resources available for testing newbies to be able to go after this. | 20:26 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:26 |
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| blogan | in the short term though, we need more people with +A abilities to be able to server as that verifier though | 20:26 |
| johnsom | blogan agreed, but it currently is a feature of just the octavia driver, so might be better to be an octavia scenario. Anyway, we should chat about this | 20:27 |
| blogan | johnsom: oh good point, very good point, i stand corrected | 20:27 |
| johnsom | I think we just added one recently, so some progress there | 20:27 |
| johnsom | #topic Bug review | 20:28 |
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| blogan | i dont mean more cores, i mean more of our current cores verifying | 20:28 |
| sbalukoff | I'd throw my name into the hat for +A again. :) | 20:28 |
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| johnsom | Most of you missed the last meeting where I introduced this topic. | 20:28 |
| ptoohill | Yea, i was under the impression we should be testing/verifying most things that come through as a core | 20:28 |
| ptoohill | i must like to do things wrong | 20:28 |
| johnsom | I want to pick a few bugs to talk about, highlight, each meeting. Not go through the full list, just a few | 20:28 |
| sbalukoff | ptoohill: Er... that's my impression as well. | 20:28 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom: Go for it! | 20:29 |
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| johnsom | So, this week I will cover the same critical bugs, minus the one eranra fixed | 20:29 |
| johnsom | #1490033 Devstack scripts need to enable lb-network controller IP | 20:29 |
| johnsom | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/octavia/+bug/1490033 | 20:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1490033 in octavia "Devstack scripts need to enable lb-network controller IP" [Critical,New] - Assigned to Brandon Logan (brandon-logan) | 20:29 |
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| blogan | if someone wants to take that up, be my guest, i have not worked on it yet :( | 20:30 |
| johnsom | This one is about getting our devstack controller to have an IP on the lb-mgmt-net so we can enable health monitoring by default. | 20:30 |
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| johnsom | It needs someone with devstack networking mojo to get the interface setup. | 20:30 |
| johnsom | #1491560 Deleting a non-existing member deletes the actual member | 20:31 |
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| johnsom | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/octavia/+bug/1491560 | 20:31 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1491560 in octavia "Deleting a non-existing member deletes the actual member" [Critical,New] | 20:31 |
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| johnsom | This one probably needs to be verified that it still happens. Evil if it does. | 20:32 |
| ptoohill | that is odd | 20:32 |
| johnsom | #1509706 Failover fails when instance is deleted | 20:32 |
| johnsom | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/octavia/+bug/1509706 | 20:32 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1509706 in octavia "Failover fails when instance is deleted" [Critical,New] | 20:32 |
| blogan | johnsom: is that a manual deletion of the instnace? | 20:33 |
| johnsom | This one may need some discussion. The current failover flow expects the nova instance to exist before failover | 20:33 |
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| TrevorV | johnsom I think we left it that way on purpose | 20:33 |
| johnsom | Yes, so if it is nova deleted or nova *lost* failover fails | 20:33 |
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| xgerman | clearly we want that to be more robust | 20:33 |
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| TrevorV | The "issue" isn't that it fails, because that's what we want, we just want it to fail gracefully, or move on as though it SHOULD have been deleted. | 20:34 |
| johnsom | Yeah, I think we did, but we should discuss and decide what we want to do about it. | 20:34 |
| TrevorV | One specific problem with that (since I wrote this originally) was if we don't specifically get information from the instance, it makes creating the new one "impossible" | 20:34 |
| johnsom | TrevorV ACtually, that part of the bug is fixed. | 20:34 |
| blogan | clearly but i wouldn't say that is a high priority, to me thats almost akin to someone manually deleting a record from the database and having to code aginst that | 20:34 |
| johnsom | deletes of deleted instances now logs and moves on | 20:35 |
| blogan | but not entirely the same thing, it should handle it gracefully | 20:35 |
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| TrevorV | johnsom okay, so if its graceful already, what is the exact problem? | 20:35 |
| johnsom | blogan +1 | 20:35 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: +1 | 20:35 |
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| johnsom | What you mentioned, if the instance isn't there failover fails because we don't have the details. | 20:36 |
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| TrevorV | Oh, so it moves on, but still fails is what you're saying? | 20:36 |
| xgerman | and instance not there can happen when a hypervisor crashes | 20:36 |
| johnsom | I am open to dropping this from critical, I just wanted to have a discussion about it. | 20:36 |
| johnsom | It doesn't fail on the nova delete call any longer, but fails to failover the missing amphora | 20:37 |
| xgerman | yeah, I think we need to fix that | 20:37 |
| blogan | i'd move it off critical because under normal operations this shouldn't happen, it takes an odd event to cause this | 20:37 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: +1 again. | 20:37 |
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| xgerman | well, hypervisor crashing is exactly when you need fail over :-) | 20:37 |
| TrevorV | Right, and it can't failover as we have failover right now. About the only way we can change that is if we store new information in the DB for each instance so we don't have to call nova to retrieve it | 20:37 |
| johnsom | Well, nova hosts going away does happen | 20:37 |
| johnsom | TrevorV +1 | 20:38 |
| johnsom | So, drop it to High? | 20:38 |
| xgerman | yep, though we should test if we actually fail over when we loose a host | 20:38 |
| blogan | when a host is dropped, does nova delete those records from its db? | 20:39 |
| blogan | this is all implementation details here sorry | 20:39 |
| TrevorV | Honestly I think we might need to talk about this more face-to-face unless we don't have more to discuss in the meeting today | 20:39 |
| xgerman | I am not sure but I had weird things happen when hosts dropped | 20:40 |
| blogan | yeah High to me seems to be the right priority | 20:40 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:40 |
| blogan | just not critical as critical to me means normal workflow is affected | 20:40 |
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| johnsom | Ok, cool, and we can talk more in person | 20:40 |
| TrevorV | +1 | 20:40 |
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| johnsom | That is it for the bugs I wanted to talk about this time. | 20:40 |
| johnsom | #topic Open Discussion | 20:41 |
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| xgerman | nmagnezi? | 20:41 |
| nmagnezi | xgerman, here | 20:41 |
| xgerman | yeah, now you can rose your voice :-) | 20:41 |
| johnsom | Feel free to pick up one of these bugs and work on it.... grin | 20:41 |
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| blogan | is there a bug report about immediately stopping the polling of the nova instance if nova reports it as error? | 20:41 |
| nmagnezi | thanks xgerman :) | 20:41 |
| johnsom | blogan yes there is | 20:41 |
| blogan | i thought i put one in, or there was one | 20:41 |
| johnsom | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/octavia/+bug/1490180 | 20:42 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1490180 in octavia "Amphora create should check for ERROR status in compute" [High,Confirmed] | 20:42 |
| blogan | ah yes | 20:42 |
| blogan | thanks | 20:42 |
| nmagnezi | Hey guys, first time here :-). So I have some questions, that follow-up some answers I got in #openstack-lbaas | 20:42 |
| johnsom | Sounds like a juicy candidate for bug day.... | 20:42 |
| blogan | sure does | 20:43 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom: +1 | 20:43 |
| blogan | nmagnezi: no hard questions please | 20:43 |
| sbalukoff | nmagnezi: Welcome! | 20:43 |
| blogan | nmagnezi: ask us our favorite colors | 20:43 |
| nmagnezi | blogan, lol | 20:43 |
| johnsom | nmagnezi Welcome! | 20:43 |
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| nmagnezi | So, The first two questions are related to VRRP - Active/Standby: From answers I got I understand that VRRP traffic between amphoras i being passed in the VIP network (which is the tenant network..), If that is indeed the case, isn't that a security issue? what If someone capture that traffic, or imposes A higher priority for himself to become the Active node? | 20:43 |
| sbalukoff | nmagnezi: Mine is yellow. No blue! Argh! | 20:43 |
| xgerman | sbalukoff contractually obligated blue | 20:43 |
| nmagnezi | sbalukoff, johnsom thanks! | 20:44 |
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| blogan | nmagnezi: if that vip network is an isolated network, is it still a security issue? | 20:44 |
| sbalukoff | nmagnezi: amphorae are not shared between tenants. So at worst they're not getting access to anything they don't already have access to. | 20:44 |
| nmagnezi | blogan, is that always the case? | 20:44 |
| johnsom | nmagnezi It is still the tenant's own network. Also, there is a unique pass phrase, but I think there is an issue with keepalived that it is clear text. | 20:45 |
| nmagnezi | blogan, and still, vms in that tenant will see that vrrp traffic, which is bad | 20:45 |
| blogan | nmagnezi: yes, unless there's a way to do provider subnets which I honestly don't know, but thats kind of the operator's issue | 20:45 |
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| johnsom | nmagnezi I do advocate for a vrrp network (virtual networks are cheap). | 20:46 |
| xgerman | well, we went tenant to also have a failover if connectivity to that network got lost | 20:46 |
| blogan | yeah i think that is the eventual plan anyway, or one of the solutiosn, we just need to hash it out | 20:46 |
| johnsom | nmagnezi If this is something you are interested in working on, I think you would find support for that work. | 20:46 |
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| xgerman | aka vrrp network is good but connection to tenant severed | 20:46 |
| nmagnezi | johnsom, you cannot create a separate network for this, it uses the network from which load balancing works | 20:47 |
| johnsom | xgerman I think there are other ways to test/monitor that. It was just more code | 20:47 |
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| xgerman | agreed. | 20:47 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: In other words, in-band health monitors (which a VRRP heartbeat is), are a good thing. | 20:47 |
| nmagnezi | johnsom, ack, trying to understand things before I jump in | 20:47 |
| xgerman | but that was the rational for tenant network | 20:47 |
| johnsom | nmagnezi Octavia could create a vrrp network for the amphora, we have that capability | 20:47 |
| blogan | a vrrp network per load balancer | 20:48 |
| johnsom | blogan correct | 20:48 |
| nmagnezi | does it? I was told that it currently does not | 20:48 |
| johnsom | i.e. per amphora pair | 20:48 |
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| sbalukoff | Although, again, I dislike using "VRRP" in the name. As such a thing will have utility when doing active-active, which doesn't depend on VRRP. | 20:48 |
| blogan | nmagnezi: not currently, but thats the prevailing solution we have right now, but its not in right now | 20:48 |
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| johnsom | nmagnezi It would just be development effort to make that happen | 20:48 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom: Per amphora pool. | 20:48 |
| sbalukoff | or group. | 20:48 |
| xgerman | but then we should also dod the in-band monitoring another way | 20:49 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: +1 | 20:49 |
| nmagnezi | sbalukoff, well, I can only ask about current features, right? :) | 20:49 |
| xgerman | I hate to take that away without a ready replacement | 20:49 |
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| sbalukoff | nmagnezi: It's not a bad idea to be forward thinking about features currently in development. | 20:49 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:49 |
| johnsom | I think active/standby "VRRP" is still a viable tier of service, even with active-active | 20:50 |
| nmagnezi | johnsom, blogan, is there a bug/blueprint that I can follow up on this? | 20:50 |
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| johnsom | nmagnezi Not that I know of. Feel free to put one in. | 20:50 |
| nmagnezi | sbalukoff, sure not. but first I try to learn what already exists and how it works. | 20:50 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom: Yes of course. Let's just use a more generic / more descriptive name that doesn't specify a specific technology. | 20:50 |
| blogan | nmagnezi: i dont believe so, we haven't really talked about it formally just kind of on the side like | 20:50 |
| nmagnezi | johnsom, will do | 20:50 |
| nmagnezi | blogan, got it | 20:51 |
| nmagnezi | The Second Question (VRRP): context: I asked about the option for large amount of amphoras in the same setup, specifically about the use of lb-network, which I understand is *one* shared network for all amphoras (under admin tenant, at least in devstack). The Question: So even if I allocate a large subnet for this network, how can anyone use more than 256 amphoras? the use of one network creates a limitation by VRID. s | 20:51 |
| nmagnezi | ee https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3768#section-5.3.3 -> VRID configurable item in the range 1-255 (decimal) is there a workaround or better practice for it? | 20:51 |
| johnsom | sbalukoff Well, what was implemented is a specific technology, so until something comes along it's what we have. I understand you comment on it. Unfortunately it came too late and a lot of code had already merged using VRRP. | 20:51 |
| blogan | i think johnsom can answer this as i think i asked somethign similar before | 20:52 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom: Yeah, I know. We'll just have to do another patch to rename things going forward. | 20:52 |
| sbalukoff | I really hate having misleading names for things. ;) | 20:52 |
| blogan | renaming to more generic names would be fine, especially before the next release :) | 20:53 |
| sbalukoff | (One of my biggest gripes about LBaaSv1: A VIP there was not a VIP!) | 20:53 |
| johnsom | VRIDs are only used in amphora-amphora VRRP communications, which is over the tenant VIP network, so do not conflict. Also, due to neutron issues with multicast, in some deployments, we are using unicast. | 20:53 |
| xgerman | nmnagnezi so this is a vrrp limitation aka a single tenant can’t have more than 255 LBs? | 20:53 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: but v2 load balancer is kind of a vip now | 20:53 |
| johnsom | At least VRRP *IS* VRRP here... grin | 20:53 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: Yes. And I know you were there for the three weeks it took to come to agreement on that. | 20:53 |
| sbalukoff | ;) | 20:53 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom: For now. ;) | 20:53 |
| sbalukoff | Anyway, I didn't mean to hijack nmagnezi's discussion. | 20:54 |
| nmagnezi | xgerman, mmm when I think about it, yes. due I have not tested that amount of amphoras myself. | 20:54 |
| johnsom | To wrap up, all of our VRID's are 1 right now | 20:54 |
| nmagnezi | xgerman, won't it limit the whole setup to 256? | 20:54 |
| nmagnezi | xgerman, i don't know how VRID is allocated on Octavia | 20:55 |
| johnsom | Nope, no limit because of VRIDs | 20:55 |
| blogan | i still think there is a neutron port limit on an isolated network | 20:55 |
| nmagnezi | johnsom, not even for a single tenant? | 20:55 |
| blogan | but thats a separate issue | 20:55 |
| sbalukoff | nmagnezi: Yes, and this is one reason why VRRP might not be the best tool for a large deployment. Or why we should use separate networks per amphora group for VRRP heartbeats and whatnot | 20:55 |
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| johnsom | nmagnezi correct, not even for a single tenant | 20:55 |
| johnsom | blogan Yes, that is a problem with the lb-mgmt-net | 20:55 |
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| blogan | johnsom: what if 2 load balancers have vips on the same network, won't that cause VRIDs to clash? | 20:56 |
| nmagnezi | johnsom, can you explain? i think that sbalukoff thinks differently | 20:56 |
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| johnsom | sbalukoff No, you are wrong. There is no limit with VRRP | 20:56 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom: I might be thinking of CARP. Sorry... still trying to get back from vacation mode. | 20:56 |
| nmagnezi | johnsom, as I pasted above, VRID range is limited (RFC) so, please elaborate. | 20:57 |
| johnsom | nmagnezi keepalived is configured for unicast heartbeat. We could not use multicast. So each VRRP pair are only talking to themselves, no other instances. Thus, they are all VRID 1 | 20:57 |
| blogan | johnsom: ah that solves my question too | 20:58 |
| xgerman | 2 minutes left | 20:58 |
| nmagnezi | johnsom, good to know! | 20:58 |
| nmagnezi | okay final question :) | 20:58 |
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| nmagnezi | Last question is about quotas. As you all prolly know, all amphoras are being created under the same tenant, regardless of which tenant spawned the 'neutron lbaas-loadnalancer-create' command. The question: the quota for that selected tenant will be used by all other tenants. for example: the default quota for instances for each tenant is: 10. what happens if we pass that number? not to mention that in case that we hav | 20:59 |
| nmagnezi | e a pool or Active/Standby configuration, we will consume that quota even faster. Is there a different/better practice for this issue? | 20:59 |
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| johnsom | We can switch back to lbaas channel if we run out of time. | 20:59 |
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| blogan | nmagnezi: use a service account with a high quota for the octavia service | 20:59 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: +1 | 20:59 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:59 |
| johnsom | Thanks folks! | 21:00 |
| johnsom | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 6 21:00:09 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| sbalukoff | Thanks! | 21:00 |
| nmagnezi | blogan, what about the "blank tenant" (i think its used in ha routers) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2016/octavia.2016-01-06-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2016/octavia.2016-01-06-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2016/octavia.2016-01-06-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
| blogan | nmagnezi: lets continue in the main room | 21:00 |
| bana_k | bbye | 21:00 |
| nmagnezi | ok | 21:00 |
| xgerman | bye | 21:00 |
| TrevorV | I'll update meeting minutes | 21:00 |
| blogan | bye see yall next week | 21:00 |
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| TrevorV | yes yes! See you guys here! | 21:00 |
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| TrevorV | \o | 21:00 |
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| sc68cal | hello all | 23:56 |
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| SridarK | sc68cal: Hi | 23:57 |
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| sc68cal | #startmeting networking_fwaas | 23:59 |
| sc68cal | .. | 23:59 |
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| xgerman | o/ | 23:59 |
| xgerman | sc68cal one minute too early | 23:59 |
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| sc68cal | right but the bot should still have started it | 23:59 |
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