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ndipanovsriov people?13:02
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moshelehi13:03
ndipanovhello13:03
ndipanovhny13:03
ndipanovanyone else here?13:04
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ndipanovhmm I guess still catching the tail end of the holiday season13:06
mosheleI guess so13:06
ndipanovdo we have interesting reviews to point out13:06
ndipanovI started looking at the regex whiltelist patch this morning and it's quite chunky13:07
ndipanovwill have to focus on it13:07
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moshelendipanov: I think you should update you patches for the pf pass through13:08
ndipanovmoshele, right - waiting on vladik for that as there are some actual issues with that13:08
ndipanovalso I added the neutron integration bit which could use a few expert eyes13:10
ndipanovoh13:10
ndipanov#startmeeting sriov13:10
openstackMeeting started Tue Jan  5 13:10:20 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ndipanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:10
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ndipanov(so that we have logging for others)13:10
moshelendipanov: I add this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/261369/  to clean the binding:profile when unbind  port13:10
ndipanovso we were just discussing outstanding reviews13:10
ndipanovyes was just going to paste that one13:10
ndipanovok so - the one I wanted to pitch is the second part of PF work - neutron integration https://review.openstack.org/26258313:11
ndipanovwith a single Neutron patch needed as well here https://review.openstack.org/26260413:11
moshelendipanov:  yes you also update the ib_hostdev vif so I need to check it is not breaking anything for mellanox13:11
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ndipanovmoshele, just refactor the code13:12
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ndipanov(move it to a common method)13:12
ndipanovno actual changes13:12
ndipanovbut yes please check13:12
ndipanovhttps://review.openstack.org/242555 and https://review.openstack.org/216049 shoudl also be quite close13:13
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mosheleI have another meeting, so I need to go13:19
mosheleI will  try to review your nova/neutron patches this week13:20
moshelebye13:20
ndipanovthanks moshele13:20
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ndipanovI guess that's it for today - hopefully more attendance next week as we approach m-213:20
ndipanov#endmeeting sriov13:20
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dprince#startmeeting tripleo14:01
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adarazshi there o/14:02
slaglemorning14:02
dprinceo/14:02
marioso/ happy new year14:02
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dprince#topic agenda14:03
dprince* bugs14:03
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dprince* Projects releases or stable backports14:03
dprince* CI14:03
dprince* Specs14:03
dprince* one off agenda items14:03
dprince* open discussion14:03
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dprinceno one-off agenda items this week14:04
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dprinceso perhaps a short meeting? we'll see...14:04
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trowno/14:06
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dprinceokay, lets move on14:07
dprince#topic bugs14:07
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dprinceI don't think I filed a bug on this issue but it is a blocker for using Delorean trunk ATM14:07
dprincehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/257522/14:08
dprincetrown: did you have an RDO bug for that?14:08
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trownI dont think so, but there is https://launchpad.net/bugs/152595714:08
openstackLaunchpad bug 1525957 in tripleo "nova neutronclient fails due to deprecated auth options" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Dan Prince (dan-prince)14:08
shardyo/14:08
shardy(sorry I'm late)14:08
dprincetrown: oh, right. I did file it :)14:09
dprinceanyways, so yeah, Nova Mitaka since mid-december requires this fix14:09
trowndprince: I think there are other issues blocking delorean trunk now too :(, I have not had time to look into what else is failing since RDO liberty is a bit of a mess because of our liberal backport policy14:09
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dprincetrown: perhaps an etherpad to list them all again?14:10
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dprincetrown: with this puppet-nova fix I had a working undercloud yesterday at least14:10
trowndprince: ya, I think that is a good idea if we can start finding what else is broken14:10
trowndprince: https://review.openstack.org/258140 is why I say it is broken even with the nova patch14:10
trowns/nova/puppet-nova/14:11
trownthis bug is pretty critical for RDO https://launchpad.net/bugs/153088314:12
openstackLaunchpad bug 1530883 in tripleo "[tripleoclient] bash deploy ramdisk 'deprecation' changed behavior" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to John Trowbridge (trown)14:12
dprincetrown: gotcha, yeah I was using an older overcloud image I think14:12
shardytrown: I'm aware of the deploy ramdisk thing, but if there are other issues related to the backport policy, it'd be good to enumerate them, perhaps in a ML thread, so we can refine the process if it's not working14:12
trownI am ok with Dmitry's compromise rather than a pure revert, but really that is a pretty gross change in behavior for a "stable" branch14:13
dprincetrown: yeah, so just for stable... that is fine I think14:13
shardytrown: the intention of the backport policy was to make life easier, not harder for downstream consumers of the branches, so if that's not working, let's figure out why :)14:13
dprincetrown: we probably shoudn't have backported the other one14:13
shardytrown: I agree, that one was probably handled incorrectly14:13
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slaglecan we just land the revert?14:14
slaglehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/263351/14:14
trownshardy: ya, that patch broke OPNFV Apex project which is based on RDO and they have a release this week... so bad timing14:14
trownslagle: I am +1 to land the revert, Dmitry was opposed14:14
slagleoh that's not the revert..14:14
shardyslagle: that's not the revert, IIRC dtantsur says a pure revert will break other things14:14
slaglewe should land the revert and argue about the proper fix later14:15
trownI am also fine with the compromise, but I have not had a chance to test it yet14:15
dprinceslagle: revert would be fine as well, I have no oppinion really. If Dmitry prefers the compromise I'd defer to him I htink14:15
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dprincetrown: thanks for pointing this out14:15
dprinceany other bugs things?14:16
slaglethe revert is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263289/14:16
slagledmitry doesn't point out anything there, other than bugs that were already existing, so we'd just go back to those14:16
dprinceslagle: I think dmitry's point is that the old deploy ramdisk was already deprecated, so we shouldn't have been using it for Liberty either14:18
slagleok14:18
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dprinceanyways, the revert needs to pass CI. If it passes I'd be fine with either of these landing14:19
shardyAnd that "grub-install does not work" is a critical bug for some folks which cannot be fixed without moving to the new ramdisk, IIUC14:19
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shardy+1 I'm fine with the consensus, but it'd be good to figure out how to agree a better process for next time14:20
dprinceokay, any other bugs?14:20
trownshardy: it is even weirder, as IPA causes a grub-install issue for others...14:20
trownso really the compromise is probably the best option14:20
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shardytrown: k, will that's passing CI so we can land that immediately if folks are OK with it14:21
bnemec+1 from me.14:21
trownshardy: I do not think anyone has tested it... but I can do that in the next hour14:22
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dprincetrown: cool, thanks14:23
dprince#topic Projects releases or stable backports14:23
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dprinceshardy: any updates here this time?14:24
dprincethe bug we just spoke of was sort of related to fixing stable I guess for RDO...14:24
shardydprince: Not really other than to request folks keep up the reviews for stable branches14:25
mariosyeah many thanks for all the review last couple days especially14:25
gfidenteand the porting :)14:25
dprinceshardy: cool, thanks14:25
mariosi added the original voters to the stable/liberty cherrypicks i made yseterday, so sorry for the review spam14:25
mariosbut thanks for responding!14:25
gfidentemarios do you have a list of changes which produced conflicts?14:26
dprinceI have a question, do we have a date when we expect to stop backporting things?14:26
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dprincewhen do we draw the line...14:26
shardydprince: the way it works with other projects is you keep backporting things until a release goes EOL14:26
dprinceand just do, say security fixes14:26
shardybut after a while it switches to critcal security fixes only14:26
mariosdprince: asap. hopefully by next week. the trouble is for this first one we are trying to get downstream and upstream as reconciled as possible14:27
dprinceshardy: right, but most projects don't backport major features14:27
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shardydprince: Ah, yeah, defining that would be good14:27
mariosdprince: yeah sorry i misread/interpreted what you wrote14:27
dprinceshardy: reason I ask is composable roles is going to make backports painful14:27
mariosdprince: (I thought you were asking when this was to be done by)14:27
shardyI was kinda assuming anything other than the n-1'th release would be bugfix only14:27
shardybut we've not got to that stage yet14:27
dprinceshardy: I'd like to be mindful of this... but also be able to move forwards with composable roles too14:28
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dprinceessentially, I'm wondering when is the best "window" to proceed with internal architecture changes to t-h-t that wouldn't impact backports14:29
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dprincethese change wouldn't break upgrades mind you... (they are mostly internal)14:29
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dprincejust make backports more painful14:29
slaglei know that ipv6 is something that will likely be needed to be backported14:29
slaglebut that's the last major thing that hasnt yet landed that i can think of14:30
dprinceslagle: okay, thanks14:30
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slagleso maybe after that?14:30
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dprinceokay, something to keep in mind. We don't have to have a hard answer for it this week I think14:30
dprince#topic CI14:31
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dprincethings seem to be running mostly fine I think the past few weeks14:32
dprincehttp://tripleo.org/cistatus.html14:32
dprinceI've got no updates here since last meeting...14:32
dprinceanyone else?14:32
shardyWhen I get the HA job to pass it'd be good to land https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250498/14:33
shardyit adds CI coverage for deleting an overcloud14:33
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mariosdprince: one update is i'd like to land the pingtest and then add it to ci like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/262028/14:34
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mariosdprince: so comments appreciated at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241167/ (esp. if we want 2 vms there), can bring up later in open discussion if time/interest14:34
dprinceshardy: how much wall time does deleting add? A few minutes perhaps?14:36
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shardydprince: in my local environment it's not even a minute14:36
dprinceshardy: okay, great then. I say lets do it14:37
dprincemarios: ++ on the pingtest14:37
trown+1 to some sort of validation... especially for the stable branch14:37
dprincemarios: probably 1 vm is fine for starters I think14:37
mariosdprince: sure at this point is a simple tweak of the template14:37
mariosso whatever14:37
shardydprince: we should perhaps annotate toci_instack to time each step we test, but I don't think it's a significant increase14:38
dprinceshardy: yeah, it would be nice if we had a mechanism to track metrics for each CI/test step14:38
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dprince#topic Specs14:40
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dprinceperhaps not a lot of spec updates over the break14:42
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dprinceI need to make changes to a few of mine anyways per comments14:42
dprincemight we go ahead and land: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233634/14:42
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slagleyes, i think so, based on giulio's response14:43
dprincealso, I think this is close as well: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245309/14:43
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akrivokathe GUI spec is waiting for a final +2/A https://review.openstack.org/23905614:45
bnemecIs the GUI being developed upstream now then?14:46
bnemecBecause I'm -2 on merging a spec that won't be implemented here.14:46
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akrivokawe're waiting for the spec to be approved, then we'll move it upstream14:47
akrivokafor now it's here https://github.com/rdo-management/rdo-director-ui14:48
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apetrichbnemec, and CIed on the midstream gates14:49
dprinceakrivoka: cool, thanks for bringing this up14:49
dprince#topic open discussion14:51
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dprincea few minutes left, anyone have anything to bring up?14:51
* bnemec would dearly love to get undercloud ssl merged14:51
bnemec#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221885/14:51
slaglei had one thing...what does anyone think about moving the orc scripts from tie into the actual codebases they're for?14:51
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dprincebnemec: one question on that14:52
slaglefor example, in regards to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213748/, having 20-os-net-config be part of os-net-config and installed via the os-net-config package14:52
dprincebnemec: as some of the services move to apache wsgi... long term would we perhaps be better off using Apache for SSL and avoid HA proxy14:52
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slaglethere have a handful of instances of having to update the orc scripts on deployed images lately, and there's no way to do that right now via packaging14:52
slaglethat's what i'm trying to solve anyway14:53
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slagleit could also allow us to fully deprecate tie once we got everything moved14:53
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shardyslagle: personally I'd like to move away from the orc scrips altogether long term, e.g have os-net-config invoked directly via a heat hook or script14:53
dprinceslagle: wtr, to 20-os-net-config I would like that to move into a t-h-t script deployment14:54
dprinceslagle: on the list of things to do....14:54
shardystuff like the signalling for error path when using orc is still broken, so we could fix all that by moving away from it14:54
slagleok, well, that's just one example14:54
bnemecdprince: That's fine long term, but we need this now.  Also, the overcloud ssl support is using haproxy already so we'll have to migrate at some point anyway if we decide to us14:54
slaglebut maybe heat hook scripts is the answer for all of them?14:54
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shardythe main thing we're missing is a way to use a StructuredDeployment to lay down some json files, which could be a new heat hook14:55
bnemec*use Apache instead.14:55
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slagle55-heat-config is another example14:55
dprincebnemec: I was thinking undercloud only here, just to keep it lighter14:55
slaglei dont know how we'd get that updated via heat itself14:55
bnemecdprince: Then we have two separate implementations of ssl.14:55
dprincebnemec: not trying to hold up your efforts here or anything, just saying that HA proxy in the undercloud seems weird I think14:55
dprincebnemec: since it is just a single node...14:56
shardyslagle: If moving them allows update via packaging then +1, everything should be owned by a package one way or another14:56
shardycan't we install 55-heat-config e.g via the heat-templates package, and just link it from the o-r-c directory?14:56
shardyor something similar14:56
slagleprobably, there are different ways to do it14:57
bnemecdprince: I could swear you suggested using haproxy in the first place. :-P14:57
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dprincebnemec: perhaps I did, and what you have done is fine. I've just been looking at our undercloud memory footprint grow and would like to combine things where possible14:58
dprincebnemec: run '14:58
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dprincebnemec: run 'ps_mem' in your undercloud sometime ;)14:58
bnemecdprince: The thing is that we're not running any of the services behind apache right now, so if we go that way it's a huge amount of work for something that people are requesting right now.14:58
dprincebnemec: we will for keystone soon, perhaps nova-api next...14:59
bnemecdprince: Oh, I know.  I never run less than an 8 gig vm for my undercloud. :-)14:59
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bnemecdprince: Sure, but what's the timeframe on that?  We can't wait six months for this.14:59
dprincebnemec: agree, this was just an idea. What if?15:00
dprinceokay, we are out of time15:00
bnemecdprince: I'm totally fine with revisiting the implementation when everything is in apache.15:00
dprincethanks everyone15:00
dprince#endmeeting15:00
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enikhertmorin: happy new year!15:02
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matrohonhi15:02
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enikhermatrohon: Happy new year to you as well15:02
matrohonenikher, Happy new year15:03
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tmorinhi everyone15:03
tmorinhappy new year to you all !15:03
tmorin#startmeeting bgpvpn15:04
openstackMeeting started Tue Jan  5 15:04:02 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is tmorin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:04
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tmorinhi doude15:04
tmorinhi pcarver15:04
pcarverhi15:04
doudetmorin: hi15:04
tmorinhi timirnich15:04
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matrohonanybody has some announcements?15:07
tmorinnothing big on my side15:07
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tmorin#topic kilo backport15:08
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tmorinsome work has been done since last meeting15:09
tmorinafaics the kilo backport is ready15:09
enikhernice to here15:09
tmorinmaybe some more testing needs to be done, but I'd say we could tag a release15:09
tmorinenikher: you did most of the heavy work ! :)15:09
tmorinthe missing part until last merges, was the bagpipe driver backport15:10
enikheryes but the last bits where added by you so thanks as well15:10
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tmorinok, so we just need to see if we need/want more testing15:11
tmorinnext topic ?15:11
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tmoringood transition!...15:12
tmorin#topic tempest testing15:12
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tmorinthanks to enikher, we now have a start of tempest tests15:12
tmorinwhat is needed now are (1) zuul/jenkins config to use this and (2) more tests15:13
tmorin1 is already in progress:  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258522/15:13
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tmorin#help is welcome on 2: adding more tests so that the gate will actually start doing significant functional tests15:14
tmorinany comments ?15:14
tmorinenikher ?15:14
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tmorinsince you are the one working on the additional zuul/jenkins config15:14
tmorin?15:14
enikhersorry I was afk15:15
enikherback and reading15:15
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enikherAt the moment I am troubled with other work.15:16
enikherso yes help is welcome15:16
enikherI think I will make progress at the end of this week15:16
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enikherI think one thing we should talk about is the neutron client used in tempest15:17
enikherit is normaly not the same as used by python-neutronclient15:17
enikherwhich is bad I think because we have to implement things twice and...15:17
enikherwe are not testing the original code15:18
enikherof python-neutronclient15:18
tmorinyou mean we are not testing our python-neutronclient extension15:18
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tmorinyes, this is not ideal15:18
enikheryes15:18
enikherexactly15:18
matrohonenikher : why? it has it own client?15:18
enikheryes15:18
enikhertempest is very stupid there15:18
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tmorinwe need to decide if we need/want to follow this practice15:19
enikherI have to check how much impact to tempest it has when we use the real neutronclient15:19
enikherfrom my side a big -1 for this practice :-)15:20
tmorincould we have our tempest plugin automatically play each scenario, once with a new built-in client, and once with our python-neutronclient extension ?15:21
matrohonenikher, so there is no tempest test for clients?15:21
tmorinwould that be doable ?15:21
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matrohonenikher, I see some tempst jobs dedicated to test neutronclient : gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-src-python-neutronclient15:22
tmorinmy take is that we should use the bgpvpn neutronclient extension in tempest test, until someone comes up with a practical drawback of doing so15:23
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tmorinnext topic ?15:25
tmorin#topic juno backport15:25
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tmorinany news on the juno backport, doude ?15:25
doudeit's on going. I'm able to run it on my lab15:26
tmoringood :)15:26
matrohondoude : with a driver?15:26
doudeI started the work from a fork of the Kilo branch and I add to add 3 patches to be able to run it on Juno15:26
doudeactually, only tested with contrail15:26
matrohondoude : ok15:27
doudeI need to rebase last commut of kilo on it15:27
doudethe submit reviews15:27
doudethen submit reviews15:27
tmorinok15:27
tmorinvery good15:27
tmorinhow are you handling the python-neutronclient aspects ?15:28
tmorinnot having any support ?  writing a standalone client inheriting from python-neutronclient ?15:29
doudeI don't15:29
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doudepython-neutronclient does not follow openstack release15:30
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doudewhat do you mean by "handling the python-neutronclient aspects" ?15:30
tmorinpeople deploying openstack juno are likely to also deploy python-neutronclient of the same generation15:31
tmorinwhich won't have the extension framework and won't load our extension15:31
doudetmorin: not necessary15:31
tmorinusing a recent python-neutronclient with an older openstack is not always possible15:31
doudeactually, it's what I'm doing15:32
tmorinwe tried that for kilo (use a liberty python-neutronclient), but there were conflicting dependencies15:32
doudeI run the master branch of python-neutronclient with the OS juno release15:32
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tmorinok, it means that in the juno case it works15:32
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doudeconflicting dependencies ?15:32
tmorinyou run it, but do you also "pip install" it ?15:32
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doudeI install all cli stuff in an isolated python environment15:33
doudeall cli stuff = python-neutronclient + networking-bgpvpn (just for the cli extension)15:33
tmorinif i recall python-neutronclient from liberty has oslo-something >= y that conflict with kilo (kilo having oslo-something <x, with x <y)15:34
doudebtw, it's not cery confortable to install all networking-bgpvpn just to benefit the CLI extension :(15:34
tmorinyes, but that may not work for all deployment approaches15:34
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tmorinit wouldn't work for the gate I guess15:35
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tmorinbut well we don't have any juno gate anyway15:35
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tmorinok15:35
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tmorinnext topic ?15:35
doudeok15:36
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tmorin#topic fuel15:36
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tmorinfor your information, work has been started on a fuel plugin for networking-bgpvpn15:36
tmorinhttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/fuel-plugin-bgpvpn15:37
tmorinwork kickstarted by michal and enikher15:37
tmorinfeel free to have a look/contribute !15:38
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tmorinanything to add ?  enikher ?15:38
tmorinnext topic then...15:39
tmorin#topic drivers15:40
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tmorinon bagpipe side...15:40
tmorinwe merged a bugfix on the bagpipe driver yesterday15:40
tmorinbefore that, in december, a lot of cleanups were done in networking-bagpipe15:41
tmorinwith the addition of a lot of unit test15:41
tmorintestS15:41
tmorinand we asked to have networking-bagpipe be part of the big tent15:41
tmorinwe also did what was needed to have clean stable/kilo and stable/liberty branches15:42
enikhertmorin: a lot of things happening here on my side sorry I was again afk. I read through the history. Everything fine with me. I will check if we can use neutronclient in tempest15:42
tmorinenikher: ok, np :)15:42
tmorinanything on ODL driver side ?15:43
tmorinI guess not, given who is IRC-active today15:43
tmorinnext topic ?15:43
tmorin#topic heat15:43
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enikher:-)15:43
tmorinenikher: if you are not afk :)15:43
enikherYes this time I am here15:43
tmorini was just curious how your work on heat was progressing15:43
enikherWork was finished before xmas already15:44
enikherI am very close to contribute my work but there is yet another internal review process.15:44
enikherHeat is not core project of my department so I have to align with others :-)15:45
tmorinhmm, interesting15:45
tmorinthe contribution is welcome, independently of what it takes on your side15:45
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enikherI have the hope to push it this week but lest see15:45
tmorinok, good!15:46
enikherI have nothing to add herer15:46
tmorinok, thanks15:46
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tmorin#topic misc15:47
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tmorinanything else to add?15:47
enikherport assoc15:47
tmorinah yes15:47
enikherand static routes15:47
tmorinand static routes15:47
enikheryes15:47
enikher:-)15:47
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tmorinon static routes I have to send feedback on a proposal sketched out my Jan15:47
tmorinI hope to do it this week15:47
enikherthat would be nice.15:48
tmorinenikher: anything particular on port association that you would have in mind ?15:48
enikheryes sorry I am writing15:48
enikherwe good a go to work on this now. And this time we can contribute directly.15:48
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enikherThe plan is to publish things at the end of this month. Dev work did not realy start yet15:49
enikherquestion is who else is willing to give support here?15:49
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tmorinI am certainly interested in reviewing and discussing the proposals15:50
enikherok, good to know. I just wanted to include everyone interested15:50
enikherthat was it from my side15:51
matrohonenikher, If there is a will to implement it from your side and it doesn't break current code, the implementations of those enhancements are welcomed :)15:52
enikhersure this is the intent15:53
tmorinone last very minor thing: #openstack-net-bgppvn is now logged15:53
tmorin#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-net-bgpvpn/index.html15:53
tmorinfeel free to drop by there between weekly meetings15:54
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tmorinok, it seems that we're out of things to discuss15:55
tmorinand mostly out of time anyways15:55
enikherok15:56
tmorinthanks everyone!15:56
enikherthanksQ15:56
tmorinbye bye15:56
tmorin#endmeeting15:56
matrohonthanks15:56
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adrian_otto#startmeeting containers16:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Jan  5 16:00:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
adrian_otto#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2016-01-05_1600_UTC Our Agenda16:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'containers'16:00
adrian_otto#topic Roll Call16:00
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tcammannHello16:00
adrian_ottoAdrian Otto16:00
madhurio/16:00
bradjoneso/16:00
dane_o/16:00
muraliao/16:00
TangoTon Ngo16:00
rpothierhi16:00
HimanshuGargo/16:00
Dragoo/16:00
juggler_Perry Rivera o/16:00
hongbino/16:00
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adrian_ottohello tcammann, madhuri, dane_, muralia, bradjones, Tango, rpothier, HimanshuGarg, Drago, juggler_, hongbin, and eghobo16:01
muraliaHi everyone16:01
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juggler_Hi all...Happy New Year16:02
adrian_ottoHappy New Year indeed!16:02
hongbinHappy New Year everyone16:02
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adrian_ottook, let's get started16:03
adrian_otto#topic Announcements16:03
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adrian_otto1) adrian_otto will be delivering a magnum workshop for NASA/JPL Jan 11-13, so seeking pro-tem chair for our 2016-01-12 team meeting.16:03
adrian_ottowho can help out next week?16:03
hongbinI can16:03
adrian_ottothanks hongbin!16:03
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adrian_otto#agreed hongbin will chair our team meeting on 2016-01-12 while adrian_otto is out.16:04
adrian_ottoany other announcements from team members?16:04
vilobhmm11hi all16:04
TangoI have a quick note16:04
adrian_ottohello vilobhmm1116:04
adrian_ottook Tango16:04
TangoI have uploaded a new image:  https://fedorapeople.org/groups/magnum/fedora-21-7.qcow216:04
Tangothis has k8s 1.1, docker 1.9.1, flannel 0.5.516:05
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TangoWe have been using it for about 2 weeks, it seems OK. Please feel  free to try out and let me know if there is any problem16:05
adrian_ottosweet, thanks Tango!16:06
TangoThis is built with diskimagebuilder, and is Fedora, not Atomic16:06
TangoSo hopefully it's a little easier to work with16:06
adrian_ottogotcha16:06
rodshi all16:06
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adrian_ottoother announcements from team members?16:06
adrian_ottohi rods16:06
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adrian_otto#topic Review Action Items16:07
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adrian_otto1) adrian_otto to plan midcycle by ML16:07
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adrian_ottoStatus: pending16:07
adrian_ottosorry I have not started this, but will start today.16:07
adrian_otto#action adrian_otto to plan midcycle by ML16:08
adrian_otto#topic Container Networking Subteam Update (daneyon)16:08
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adrian_ottodaneyon sis not chime in during roll call, not present today.16:08
adrian_ottos/sis/did/16:08
adrian_otto#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/container_networking/2015 Previous Meetings16:08
adrian_ottoconsult the above for updates16:09
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adrian_otto#topic Magnum UI Subteam Update (bradjones)16:09
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bradjoneshowdy16:09
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adrian_ottohi bradjones16:09
bradjonesnot much happened over the break so can probably skip over update today16:09
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adrian_otto#topic Essential Blueprint Updates16:11
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adrian_otto#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/mitaka Mitaka Blueprints16:11
adrian_ottoWe have three marked Essential:16:11
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adrian_otto#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-tempest (dimtruck)16:12
dimtruckone patch merged.  working through test failures on the other two16:12
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adrian_ottocorrection: there are eight Essentials16:13
adrian_ottothanks dimtruck16:13
adrian_ottoOne of them is implemented, and 5 are in progress16:13
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adrian_ottoso I'll ask for updates on the other 416:13
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vilobhmm11i will start16:14
adrian_otto#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/user-guide (Tango)16:14
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adrian_ottovilobhmm11: I will get to you in a moment, thanks16:14
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TangoI started with a skeleton, to be filled in section by section16:14
vilobhmm11adrian_otto : sure np16:14
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adrian_ottoTango: should we plan to divide up this work now?16:15
TangoOne question for the team is:  there are some current document, e.g. TLS. Should we pull them into the user guide and make everything consistent?  or should we keep them separate?16:15
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Tangoadrian_otto: Yes, my thought is that with the skeleton, everyone can jump in and contribute16:15
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adrian_ottogreat question. How about we start with the missing content, and then re-arrange it once we have the full set of content.16:16
TangoSounds good16:16
adrian_ottook, so if you are looking for a way to help during the Mitaka release, look at this BP please16:16
madhuriI think there should be one document for all16:16
vilobhmm11+116:16
adrian_ottomadhuri: there will be a single index16:16
TangoThat's my thought also, just want to double check with the team16:17
adrian_ottoto be consistent with the OpenStack documentation style16:17
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madhuriYes16:17
adrian_ottomy suggestion is based on a concern that we should not spend too much effort initially working on the formatting, but be sure that we have the content together16:17
madhuriTango: I can help for the TLS part16:17
adrian_ottoand leave the editorial process to a subsequent stage within this dev cycle16:18
Tangomadhuri: Thanks16:18
TangoYes, we should fill in with the content first and revise later16:18
adrian_ottogreat, let's look at the next BP16:18
adrian_otto#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/resource-quota (vilobhmm11)16:18
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vilobhmm11adrian_otto : before the break we had a discussion on ML16:19
vilobhmm11http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/082520.html16:19
vilobhmm11details captured here16:19
adrian_otto#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/082520.html ML Discussion about Resource Quota16:20
vilobhmm11in gist since we rely on heat the discussion stoped whether we should rely on quota provided by heat16:20
vilobhmm11I did propose a patch WIP https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259201/ but there is no clear direction here16:20
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adrian_ottothe summary there is that we raised legitimate concerns about duplicating existing quota capabilities that exist elsewhere in OpenStack16:20
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adrian_ottoI offered some guidance not to overlap, but focus on the areas where resource limits would be unique to Magnum16:21
vilobhmm11adrian_otto : thats a better way to put it thanks!16:21
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vilobhmm11sure so for mitaka will restrict the blueprint to that i.e. resource limits would be unique to Magnum16:22
adrian_ottoif we feel that raising better exceptions for limits in other systems (such as Nova, for example) could enhance the user experience, we could view that as a low priority enhancement.16:22
adrian_ottois that something our team feels comfortable with?16:22
vilobhmm11yes but for that we need support from other projects16:23
adrian_ottofor the second part16:23
adrian_ottobut for the first part, we would only implement limits on resources that are within Magnum16:23
tcammannYes agree ^16:23
vilobhmm11sure16:23
hongbin+116:23
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madhuri+116:24
adrian_ottoand if we do that well, then it makes sense to revisit the discussion to decide what overlap (if any) is appropriate for other key resources that come from other services.16:24
tcammannWill there be anything we quota beyond bays?16:24
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adrian_ottopossibly baymodels16:24
tcammannyes16:24
hongbinand maybe containers16:25
vilobhmm11IMHO better to start off with an etherpad seperating out which resource fall in which category magnum only vs depedent on other projects16:25
adrian_ottoyes, with an acknowledgement that container limits only apply when using the Magnum API, and not native APIs.16:25
tcammanncontainers would be very interesting. If you locked your users out of the native APIs you can limit the container access :)16:25
madhurihongbin: How is it possible to quota containers when running from native clients?16:25
madhuriadrian_otto: +116:26
tcammannYou don't quota the native clients16:26
vilobhmm11madhuri : only track created using magnum api16:26
adrian_ottomadhuri: That would be an eventually consistent limit16:26
adrian_ottothere is a way, but it's not clean16:26
hongbinmadhuri: the assumption is not using native CLI16:26
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adrian_ottobasically Magnum would need to poll native APIs for inventory, and compare those to configured limits16:26
adrian_ottoripe for race conditions.16:26
tcammannYou would also have to know which users started which containers...16:27
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suro-patzadrian_otto: magnum may poll COE for usage but may not get back the tennant data16:27
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adrian_ottowe know which COE's belong to which tenant16:27
adrian_ottobut we would not have per-user limits in that case16:27
vilobhmm11yes plan to add that as part of the quota table which i am planning to introduce in magnum16:28
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tcammannper user limits for containers would be sexy though16:28
vilobhmm11absolute limits of per tenant quota can be stored there16:28
adrian_ottotcammann: I do agree, but let's set a low bar to start with.16:28
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vilobhmm11alrite lots of useful insights here…but the path seems clear now16:29
vilobhmm11thanks everyone16:29
adrian_ottothere is also another topic that surfaced in discussion16:29
tcammann:) np adrian_otto16:29
adrian_ottoa distinction between a limit and an event used for accounting purposes16:29
adrian_ottolimits matter to operators for system stability, and to catch runaway usage patterns16:30
adrian_ottoaccounting matters to the service providers who want to allocate costs for their infrastructure based on usage16:30
adrian_ottoso we can emit RPC events for usage for a wide variety of things16:30
adrian_ottoand implement limits for a subset of those.16:31
vilobhmm11adrian_otto : sure but isn't the event closely tied to the limit ? i mean you will raise an event if you reach above limit16:31
adrian_ottoyes, these go hand in hand16:31
vilobhmm11ok16:31
adrian_ottothere is also a distinction between a usage event and an alert16:31
adrian_ottoa quick study of ceilometer will give a sense of this16:32
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adrian_ottoevents are about measuring raw usage16:32
vilobhmm11adrian_otto : ok will check it out..thanks for the pointers !16:32
adrian_ottoand alerts are about acting when events cross a threshold16:32
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adrian_ottook, thanks vilobhmm11 for your work on this16:32
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adrian_ottoanything more you need from the team to continue?16:33
vilobhmm11adrian_otto : no this was really useful..thanks everyone!16:33
vilobhmm11we can move to next topic…thats it from my side16:33
adrian_ottook, next BP is related to the user-guide, so might not require further discussion:16:33
adrian_otto#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-troubleshooting-guide (Tango)16:33
adrian_ottoTango: anything unique to this BP that we should touch on today?16:34
TangoI also have a skeleton started, based on the initial brainstorm from the summit16:34
TangoI will upload that today so everyone can help to fill in16:35
adrian_ottocool, thanks!16:35
suro-patzwith Tango checking in the skeleton, it would get easier for the team to add individual cases16:35
adrian_otto#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/split-gate-functional-dsvm-magnum (eliqiao)16:35
adrian_ottothis one is the last essential BP that is marked as in progress.16:36
adrian_ottoeliqiao: yt?16:36
adrian_otto#topic Open Discussion16:37
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muraliaI think the pluggable keystone bluprint can be closed now. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/pluggable-keystone-model16:38
muraliamost of the things that are useful have been addressed by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/218699/516:38
adrian_ottomuralia: okay, I marked it as Implemented. Will that suffice?16:39
muraliayes16:39
adrian_ottook16:40
hongbinI want to take the chance to discuss the BP: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/unified-containers16:40
adrian_ottodo any contributors planning to attend our midcycle have scheduling constraints I should know about?16:41
muraliawhen is it Adrian?16:41
adrian_ottoprobably in Feb16:41
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adrian_ottoor possibly late Jan16:41
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muraliaok16:41
tcammannI can't do Jan or early Feb16:42
Tangoadrian_otto: I will be away from 2/1 to 2/1316:42
muraliawhere will it be held?16:42
adrian_ottowe need to give attendees enough time to approve/arrange travel16:42
adrian_ottoprobably in California16:42
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hongbinNeed one week or two to get approval from me16:43
adrian_ottowe held two midcycles in the bay area, and those were well attended16:43
adrian_ottohongbin: acknowledged16:43
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hongbinadrian_otto: let me know when we are ready to discuss the unified containers BP :)16:46
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juggler_my bad days are 1/21-24 and 2/11-1516:46
adrian_ottotcammann: thoughts on HP hosting us in Sunnyvale?16:46
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adrian_ottohongbin: we can cover that now if you like16:46
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hongbinadrian_otto: thx!16:47
hongbinJust a quick note. As we discussed, I started an etherpad to work on the spec16:47
hongbin#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-unified-container-actions16:47
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hongbinPlease contribute to the etherpad. Greatly appreciate it16:48
tcammannNeed some solid dates adrian_otto16:48
adrian_ottook, tcammann. We should have that in a couple of days. I will circulate a doodle poll.16:48
tcammanngreat16:48
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adrian_ottoI'll go start that now to narrow in on some dates.16:49
anteayaif you can avoid the last week of January that will help others who may want to attend16:49
anteayait is tough for people from other projects to attend if all the mid-cycles occur at the same time16:49
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anteayathis can help: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints#Mitaka_sprints16:50
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juggler_thanks for that feedback anteaya16:50
anteayawelcome16:50
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adrian_ottook, here is the poll for selecting the date for the Magnum Midcycle:16:54
adrian_otto#link http://doodle.com/poll/k8iidtamnkwqe3hd Find a date for the Magnum Midcycle16:54
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adrian_ottoI can subtract from that based on overlap with other projects. Feel free to leave comments on the doodle poll about relevant conflicts.16:55
juggler_thx adrian_otto16:55
rpothierI posted a WIP review for using heat conditionals, as an alternative to provider networks in heat.16:56
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rpothierhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/261094/16:56
adrian_ottoWe will wrap up in a few minutes16:56
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adrian_ottothanks rpothier16:56
adrian_ottothis is for simplifying our template generation?16:57
rpothieryes16:57
adrian_ottook, cool16:57
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adrian_ottoOur next team meeting will be on 2016-01-12 at 1600 UTC, chaired by hongbin. Cheers!17:00
adrian_otto#endmeeting17:00
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juggler_cheers all17:00
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gibi#startmeeting nova notification20:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Jan  5 20:00:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gibi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova_notification'20:00
gibihello everyone!20:00
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gibihappy new year!20:00
rlrossit_hi gibi! long time no chat20:00
gibirlrossit_: hi!20:00
gibirlrossit_: this means both of us had a proper vacation ;)20:01
gibiok, lets start20:02
gibi#topic open reviews20:02
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gibiso nothing really happened in the last two weeks20:02
gibiI was only able to publish the next patch today20:02
gibiit is about documentation20:02
gibi#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263788/20:03
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gibirlrossit_: I saw that you tried to get some core attention. I ask for the same before the vacation period and I'm planning to push it in the nova weekly meeting this week20:04
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rlrossit_yeah that was very unsuccessful this morning :/20:04
rlrossit_but at least you saw that I tried ;)20:04
gibirlrossit_: yeah, I saw and I'm thankful :)20:04
cdentI forgot to say: I'm here20:05
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gibihi cdent! thanks for the fast review on the doc patch20:05
cdentGood stuff there.20:06
gibiI will fix it tomorrow20:06
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rlrossit_gibi: I think I saw my o.vo custom fingerprinting got merged and released20:06
gibiI hope that based on that doc anybody can add new versioned notification20:06
rlrossit_I don't think we should change the bottom patch though, since we're so close to getting cores on it20:06
rlrossit_I can get a patch somewhere in there along the stack changing that over20:07
gibirlrossit_: thanks for the info20:07
gibiI agree to create a subsequent patch to change over to the new code20:07
rlrossit_should I put it on the top of the stack? or just base it on the infra patch?20:08
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rlrossit_I vote #220:08
gibiI have nothing agains #2 so let's do that20:08
rlrossit_cool20:09
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gibiI have to think about how can we include at least some info about existing versioned notifications into the devref20:10
gibilike a list of event_types and maybe a link to the sample file20:10
gibiI hope sphinx can call python code during doc generation20:11
gibibut I haven't looked into it yet20:11
gibido you have some ideas?20:11
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rlrossit_sphinx is a black box to me. I barely know how RST works20:12
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cdentrlrossit_++20:12
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gibino problem, I like to learn new things. :)20:13
gibiI think that was all from my side. Do you have anything to discuss?20:14
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rlrossit_I'll add gibi and cdent to my review when I get the custom fingerprint thing up20:14
cdent20:14
gibirlrossit_: thank you! I will review it20:14
gibicdent: ?20:16
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cdentthat was a checkmark or tick in unicode as a way of saying "yup, cool, I'll read that when it happens"20:17
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gibiit seems my terminal does not support that I got a question mark instead :)20:17
rlrossit_ASCII or bust20:18
gibianyhow, If nothing else to discuss then I think we can finish early today20:18
cdent:)20:18
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rlrossit_+120:19
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gibithen thank you! See you around!20:19
rlrossit_best meeting of the year so far20:20
gibi:)20:20
gibi#endmeeting20:20
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