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| trown | dprince: meeting time? | 14:01 |
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| slagle | i suspect dst is throwing some people off | 14:03 |
| dprince | trown: is it time already | 14:04 |
| tremble | dprince: it is 1400 UTC | 14:04 |
| tremble | (well 1404) | 14:04 |
| dprince | lets go then :) | 14:04 |
| dprince | #startmeeting tripleo | 14:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 3 14:04:46 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dprince. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 14:04 |
| dprince | hello everyone | 14:05 |
| jdob | o/ | 14:05 |
| marios | \o | 14:05 |
| jaosorior | o/ | 14:05 |
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| trown | o/ | 14:05 |
| tremble | o/ | 14:05 |
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| dprince | trown: thanks for the meeting ping. I would have waited another hour :) | 14:06 |
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| tzumainn | hiya! | 14:06 |
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| dprince | #topic agenda | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:06 | |
| dprince | * bugs | 14:06 |
| dprince | * Projects releases or stable backports | 14:06 |
| dprince | * CI | 14:06 |
| dprince | * Specs | 14:06 |
| dprince | * Review Priorities: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-review-priorities | 14:06 |
| dprince | * one off agenda items | 14:06 |
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| dprince | * open discussion | 14:06 |
| dprince | anything to add to todays agenda anyone? | 14:07 |
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| * gfidente late | 14:07 | |
| jaosorior | dprince: Could we add the TLS enablement work there? | 14:07 |
| marios | in reviews /priorities i guess | 14:08 |
| marios | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231930/ | 14:08 |
| trown | dprince: I dont think it was discussed in a tripleo context on summit, but it looks like DLM is a thing for mitaka | 14:08 |
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| trown | dprince: https://trello.com/c/G5kyYZ5e/103-add-dlm-support card for RDO | 14:08 |
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| dprince | jaosorior: yeah, lets get that in review priorities as marios suggests | 14:09 |
| dprince | jaosorior: thanks for mentioning | 14:09 |
| dprince | trown: ack on DLM | 14:10 |
| dprince | trown: lets perhaps get that in open discussion (hopefully we get there in time) | 14:10 |
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| trown | dprince: works for me | 14:10 |
| dprince | #topic bugs | 14:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:11 | |
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| dprince | any major bugs come up in the past two weeks? | 14:11 |
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| dprince | I still see a few bugs coming in that are related to the old tripleo-incubator workflow | 14:12 |
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| dprince | perhaps we should add a DEPRECATED file to that project now? | 14:13 |
| dprince | or at least to the devtest_ scripts... | 14:13 |
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| trown | the devtest scripts are still used in instack-virt-setup would be the only thing | 14:15 |
| dprince | trown: good point, perhaps we skip devtest_testenv.sh maybe? | 14:15 |
| marios | dprince: probably a few bugs at https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ that need closing, example https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1239450 | 14:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1239450 in tripleo "nova floating-ip extension doesn't work on overcloud" [High,Triaged] | 14:15 |
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| marios | dprince: wasn't there a thought a while back about pulling the scripts we still use out of incubator? into common possibly | 14:16 |
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| marios | dprince: but this discussion is getting away from bugs | 14:16 |
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| dprince | marios: re https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1239450 I think that could be closed | 14:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1239450 in tripleo "nova floating-ip extension doesn't work on overcloud" [High,Triaged] | 14:16 |
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| marios | dprince: we probably still incidentally use quite a few more of those, like wait-for or create-nodes being called | 14:18 |
| dprince | marios: any yes, we are starting to gradually pull the things into the incubator. Some of Brad's recent patches look promising | 14:18 |
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| dprince | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/235569/ for example is the build-images patch | 14:18 |
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| dprince | any other bugs, probably a slow week because of Summit | 14:19 |
| dprince | #topic Projects releases or stable backports | 14:20 |
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| dprince | shardy: any updates on the stable branches stuff? You've made good progress on this right? | 14:20 |
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| trown | I think shardy is mostly afk | 14:21 |
| trown | [08:51] <shardy> dprince: Hey, apologies but I can't make the meeting today due to a conflict | 14:21 |
| marios | dprince: he said he had a conflict, lurking | 14:21 |
| slagle | did we bump the tags in the master branches? | 14:21 |
| slagle | i'd think we'd need to at least bump the .Y's there, so we can increment .Z's in the stable branches | 14:21 |
| trown | yep | 14:21 |
| dprince | slagle: not sure, lets action that | 14:21 |
| slagle | although since we're backporting features, maybe we should bump the X? | 14:21 |
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| trown | slagle: but we are not backporting breaking features | 14:22 |
| dprince | #action bump the version of the master branches so we can release stable | 14:22 |
| slagle | semver says to bump .Y for new features to the "api" | 14:22 |
| slagle | so if we wanted to be strict about that, we'd need to bump .Y in the stable branches | 14:23 |
| trown | ah, ok... guess we need to bump X | 14:23 |
| trown | for master | 14:23 |
| dprince | probably safer to use the big hammer for this. No harm in bumping X right? | 14:23 |
| slagle | that would mean making some stuff 1.0.0 | 14:23 |
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| slagle | not sure if that actually has any significance or not | 14:24 |
| dprince | slagle: yeah, perhaps a mailing list thread would help further discuss | 14:24 |
| dprince | either way | 14:25 |
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| dprince | any other stable branch stuff? | 14:25 |
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| dprince | #topic CI | 14:26 |
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| dprince | CI looks to have been fairly stable this past week or so | 14:26 |
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| dprince | we agreed at the Summit to have add a few more CI jobs | 14:27 |
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| dprince | derekh: any CI specific updates? | 14:27 |
| marios | dprince: fyi will be adding aping test for toci_instack soon | 14:27 |
| marios | dprince: https://trello.com/c/OQlIbGoK/19-toci-start-a-user-instance-and-ping-it | 14:27 |
| derekh | dprince: no thing I can think of at the moment | 14:28 |
| dprince | marios: cool, will be nice to have that again | 14:28 |
| marios | discussed a bit with derekh and slagle, first part is like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241167/ | 14:28 |
| dprince | marios: on that, you might consider using a Heat stack to drive it? | 14:28 |
| dprince | marios: that way we get Heat coverage | 14:28 |
| derekh | dprince: sorry you cought me on the hope, calender was out by an hour | 14:28 |
| derekh | *hop | 14:29 |
| dprince | marios: also, would be good to (like devtest_overcloud.sh) make the instance volume backed... so that we cover Cinder/Ceph too | 14:29 |
| marios | dprince: so here's the thing | 14:29 |
| marios | dprince: really, we don't want to write any tests. run tempest | 14:29 |
| dprince | derekh: me too, trown reminded us | 14:29 |
| marios | dprince: like smoketests will do all those things for example | 14:29 |
| marios | dprince: so the idea was to just carry a simple ping test locally, but eventually go to running tempest against the overcloud | 14:30 |
| dprince | marios: agree with eventually running tempest if we have time | 14:30 |
| dprince | marios: and I agree with a simple ping test for now. Rather than drive it w/ Nova I was just suggesting that using Heat would get us a bit more coverage | 14:31 |
| trown | does adding it to a heat stack really add that much complication to the implementation? | 14:31 |
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| trown | I think the value is pretty high coverage wise | 14:31 |
| marios | dprince: sure, i hadn't thought about that and can investigate it. just saying, there are a number of things to test (when you said about the volumes etc) | 14:31 |
| dprince | marios: the previous devtest_overcloud.sh coverage gave us minimum Cinder/Ceph coverage | 14:32 |
| marios | dprince: i'd also be happy to work on more test cases/coverage if that is a worthwhile thing to have | 14:32 |
| dprince | marios: glance image -> converted to a volume | 14:32 |
| marios | dprince: ack, will revisit. just mentioning it, as you can see my ping test is still wip, today. | 14:32 |
| dprince | marios: but I'm really glad to see work on this. Just having the same coverage we had before would be great | 14:33 |
| dprince | marios: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tripleo-incubator/tree/scripts/devtest_overcloud.sh#n671 | 14:33 |
| derekh | actually now that I think of it, I've been working on using a mirror for the puppet modules we pull from github, wouldn't mind is somebody could take a look https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238414/ | 14:34 |
| dprince | derekh: ack | 14:34 |
| dprince | derekh: oh, and I had a thought about the idea of using rsync or swift to deploy the modules | 14:35 |
| slagle | marios: cool. were you able to copy from instack-test-overcloud at all? if not, no worries, but it's there if you need any pointers | 14:35 |
| dprince | derekh: if we do that, it means our CI only needs to pull the modules once. Where as now it pulls them for the instack install, and the overcloud image build | 14:35 |
| dprince | derekh: so a slight optimization... | 14:36 |
| marios | slagle: so the bulk of the bash is from earlier - can't remember where i lifted it from, when we were in the business of init the overcloud tenant stuff | 14:36 |
| marios | slagle: can't remember if i looked at instack-test-overcloud | 14:36 |
| derekh | dprince: this patch is supposed to fix the double pull https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237929/3 | 14:36 |
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| derekh | dprince: but you right swift would do it too | 14:36 |
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| marios | slagle: oh, that looks very useful :) | 14:37 |
| dprince | derekh: yeah, a bit less fragile than optimizing it in our CI | 14:37 |
| dprince | any other CI things? | 14:38 |
| slagle | marios: and most of that came from devtest_overcloud :) | 14:38 |
| marios | slagle: so why aren't we using that in ci? | 14:38 |
| slagle | i think we meant to | 14:38 |
| slagle | just forgot to tack it on | 14:38 |
| derekh | dprince: nothing from me | 14:38 |
| marios | ok, well do you still think it makes sense for this stuff to live in tripleo.sh? let's discuss offline | 14:38 |
| dprince | #topic Review Priorities: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-review-priorities | 14:39 |
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| jaosorior | could we pick up the TLS stuff? I gotta go in around 10 min :/ | 14:39 |
| dprince | trown: you meantioned TLS | 14:39 |
| dprince | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231930/ | 14:39 |
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| trown | dprince: nope I mentioned a different three letter acronym :) | 14:40 |
| dprince | jaosorior: this is blocked on the puppet keystone stuff | 14:40 |
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| dprince | jaosorior: which I think is getting some love now, so I'd expect more eyes on this soon | 14:40 |
| jaosorior | dprince, well,the patch it depends on which is this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/230375/39 only needs a workflow | 14:40 |
| jaosorior | and there was another one that was merged already | 14:40 |
| tremble | Also https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238887/ is part of the chain of CRs after it we'd like some eyes on re the general approach | 14:41 |
| jaosorior | but I already did the splitting of the TLS patch as suggested by marios | 14:41 |
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| jaosorior | so the patch that tremble is pointing to, mostly is work directed towards making the TLS patch more testable | 14:42 |
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| slagle | did anyone test stack-update'ing a cloud that was deployed with os-cloud-config keystone to one that uses puppet managed keystone? | 14:43 |
| slagle | i was doing this for the parallel patch for the undercloud, and it was failing pretty badly | 14:43 |
| dprince | jaosorior: okay, I've added it to review priorities | 14:43 |
| dprince | jaosorior: thanks for highlighting this | 14:43 |
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| jaosorior | currently the keystone endpoints are IPs, which is not something that's very easily tested if we want to start deploying the certificates; on the other hand, we also make the ports and the protocol (http or https) configurable | 14:44 |
| jaosorior | and in one single place | 14:44 |
| dprince | slagle: not me | 14:44 |
| dprince | slagle: perhaps we should wait until our "upgrades" CI job is in place before landing? | 14:45 |
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| gfidente | one thing I was thinking about the upgrade job, it seems to be we'll want to use some 'upgrade.yaml' in the upgrade job | 14:45 |
| gfidente | and we probably want this to be in the tht repo itself, sounds valid? | 14:46 |
| dprince | gfidente: you mean a heat environment that contains settings users who upgrade will need? | 14:46 |
| slagle | dprince: that would be ideal, but i dont know that we need to completely block on it. i might try it locally if i get the time | 14:46 |
| gfidente | dprince, yes | 14:46 |
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| dprince | slagle: okay, perhaps we just need to leave clear notes on these reviews so we don't miss this | 14:47 |
| jaosorior | one option is for me to cherry-pick the TLS and root CA cert injection and make them depend on the current master | 14:47 |
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| dprince | slagle: I think I +2'd them already without thinking of this | 14:47 |
| gfidente | dprince, I am not sure if and how this should be maintained though, it might be dependent on which version one wants to update from | 14:47 |
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| jaosorior | but but this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238887/ and the subsequent ones are needed to test the tLS stuff | 14:47 |
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| dprince | jaosorior: okay, are the CI failures in that series valid | 14:49 |
| dprince | just noticing a few of them are failing | 14:50 |
| jaosorior | dprince, which CI failures? | 14:50 |
| tremble | dprince: The Syntax/lint ones are unrelated | 14:50 |
| jistr | yeah those are new and haven't got to pass yet afaik | 14:50 |
| dprince | ah right, yeah. Just those | 14:50 |
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| dprince | looks like the "tripleo" ones are all fine | 14:50 |
| jaosorior | dprince, currently CI is running them again since I just split some patches into smaller ones. But functional test were passing | 14:50 |
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| tremble | dprince: Syntax/lint ones are fixed by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225664/ | 14:51 |
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| dprince | cool, any other reviews to talk about this week? | 14:51 |
| jaosorior | hey guys, I gotta go. But thanks for taking the TLS parts into account. Any reviews would be greatly appreciated :) | 14:52 |
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| dprince | #topic open discussion | 14:53 |
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| dprince | trown: you mentioned DLM | 14:53 |
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| trown | yep that is the acronym :) | 14:53 |
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| trown | but ya I just wanted to put that on the radar for mitaka | 14:53 |
| dprince | trown: yeah, second time I got it | 14:53 |
| dprince | trown: cool, do you see this as something we'd need to SPEC out? | 14:54 |
| trown | looks like we will need to setup zookeeper on the undercloud | 14:54 |
| trown | and probably overcloud too | 14:54 |
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| marios | trown: any links for background/context | 14:54 |
| trown | marios: https://trello.com/c/G5kyYZ5e/103-add-dlm-support is the RDO card for it | 14:55 |
| trown | zookeeper is not even packaged yet, so it is not a right now thing as much as a by the end of mitaka thing | 14:55 |
| marios | trown: thanks | 14:55 |
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| trown | it also has upgrade implications as far as the migration from db-backed locks to DLM | 14:56 |
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| dprince | trown: okay, thanks for the heads up on this | 14:57 |
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| dprince | any other items, issues to bring up this week | 14:58 |
| dprince | next meeting will be in a week | 14:58 |
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| dprince | thanks everyone | 15:00 |
| dprince | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 3 15:00:14 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-11-03-14.04.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-11-03-14.04.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-11-03-14.04.log.html | 15:00 |
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| matrohon | #startmeeting bgpvpn | 15:48 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 3 15:48:19 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is matrohon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:48 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:48 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'bgpvpn' | 15:48 |
| matrohon | tmorin, doude, jan, pcarver : around? | 15:48 |
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| pcarver | matrohon: hi | 15:49 |
| matrohon | we are messed up with timezone changes | 15:49 |
| matrohon | pcarver : hi | 15:49 |
| tmorin | hi everyone | 15:49 |
| matrohon | we have 10min left for our meeting! | 15:49 |
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| tmorin | let's start then :) | 15:50 |
| tmorin | not that much to announce since our face 2 face meeting last friday | 15:50 |
| tmorin | we're pursuing polish toward a first release | 15:50 |
| tmorin | mathieu is testing corner cases | 15:51 |
| tmorin | see bugs on LP | 15:51 |
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| tmorin | doude, any status on whether you think you can land the contrail driver soon ? | 15:51 |
| matrohon | not sure he's available, but he's currently working on the contrail driver | 15:52 |
| tmorin | yes | 15:52 |
| tmorin | timirnich_ : any idea when the ODL driver could be submitted in networking-bgpvpn rather than in networking-odl ? | 15:52 |
| tmorin | not sure tim is here either | 15:52 |
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| tmorin | one thing about the kilo backport: a branch has been created today, so the work can be started anytime now | 15:53 |
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| timirnich_ | Hi all, ys I'm here | 15:53 |
| matrohon | cool | 15:53 |
| tmorin | "git review stable/kilo" to submit change for kilo-compatible code | 15:53 |
| tmorin | hi tim | 15:53 |
| timirnich_ | Hi tmorin | 15:54 |
| tmorin | any idea about the ODL driver question above ? | 15:54 |
| timirnich_ | tmorin, apparently it was a decision by Neutron cores to keep the ODL driver in networking-odl | 15:54 |
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| timirnich_ | Key argument was that also other ODL drivers are needed to make use of BGPVPN, which are all in networking-odl | 15:55 |
| tmorin | this is not technically correct as far as I can tell | 15:56 |
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| timirnich_ | Hm, beyond me to tell | 15:56 |
| tmorin | as far as I could see, the ODL BGPVPN driver only talks to the ODL API | 15:56 |
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| tmorin | it does reuse a few lines of code in networking_odl to implement and HTTP REST client, but nothing more | 15:57 |
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| timirnich_ | Yes but to set a VPN up you have to set up other things as well, and that could make use of the other ODL drivers if ODL is your only backend - not sure if I'm getting this right. we should follow up on this | 15:57 |
| tmorin | that could be kept as-is (from networking_old import blabla) or rewritten to not depend on it (although this is not necessary) | 15:57 |
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| tmorin | yes, at deployment time, the BGPVPN ODL driver will depend on ODL, but does not seem to depend on components inside networking-odl like the ML2 mech driver | 15:58 |
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| tmorin | ok, we are out of time | 16:00 |
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| matrohon | Hi janscheurich | 16:00 |
| adrian_otto | #startmeeting containers | 16:00 |
| openstack | adrian_otto: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 16:00 |
| tmorin | hi jan | 16:00 |
| matrohon | endmeeting bgpvpn | 16:00 |
| matrohon | #endmeeting bgpvpn | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 3 16:01:01 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2015/bgpvpn.2015-11-03-15.48.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2015/bgpvpn.2015-11-03-15.48.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2015/bgpvpn.2015-11-03-15.48.log.html | 16:01 |
| janscheurich | hi tmorin, hi matrohon | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | #startmeeting containers | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 3 16:01:14 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2015-11-03_1600_UTC Our Agenda | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:01 |
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| jasonsb | hi | 16:01 |
| rlrossit | o/ | 16:01 |
| rpothier | o/ | 16:01 |
| hongbin | o/ | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:01 |
| Kennan | hi | 16:01 |
| bradjones | o/ | 16:01 |
| thingee | o/ | 16:01 |
| muralia | o/ | 16:02 |
| adrian_otto | NOTE: daneyon sent his regrets, so he will not be joining us this morning. | 16:02 |
| wanghua | o/ | 16:02 |
| adrian_otto | hello jasonsb, rlrossit, rpothier, hongbin, Kennan, bradjones, thingee, muralia, and wanghua | 16:03 |
| muralia | hi all | 16:03 |
| thingee | adrian_otto: hi | 16:03 |
| Kennan | hi | 16:03 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:03 |
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| adrian_otto | 1) The OpenStack summit in Tokyo has concluded, so our regular meeting schedule has resumed, and has been posted to our wiki page | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | any further announcements from team members? | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Container Networking Subteam Update | 16:05 |
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| adrian_otto | normally Daneyon updates us, but he is out so I will update you | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | we did hod a networking past/present/future design session in Tokyo | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | s/hod/did/ | 16:05 |
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| adrian_otto | (fetching link now) | 16:05 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-magnum-network Networking Design Session | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | strong consensus to implement what we worked to specify. | 16:06 |
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| adrian_otto | any thoughts that have surfaced since then you'd like to share? | 16:07 |
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| adrian_otto | Our Magnum Networking Subteam meeting is Thursdays at 1800 UTC | 16:07 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Magnum UI Subteam Update (bradjones) | 16:08 |
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| bradjones | hey | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | :-) | 16:08 |
| bradjones | it was great meeting many of the contributors in person last week | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | indeed!! | 16:08 |
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| bradjones | there are a few more people stepping up to contributing to the UI which is great | 16:08 |
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| bradjones | we should see a continuation of the containers ui work that Rob Cresswell has started | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | I'd love to help out with a screencast video demo that showcases the ui and our new features | 16:09 |
| bradjones | within the next couple of week | 16:09 |
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| bradjones | adrian_otto: I'll work on something this week will be good to show it off :) | 16:09 |
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| adrian_otto | sweet, just give me a heads up | 16:10 |
| bradjones | will do | 16:10 |
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| Kennan | like to try your ui | 16:10 |
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| bradjones | there are a few patches up to get translations working properly so help getting those merged will be great | 16:10 |
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| bradjones | other than that not much else to report | 16:10 |
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| adrian_otto | thanks bradjones!! | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 16:11 |
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| adrian_otto | 1) adrian_otto to send a message to our ML detailing our Design Summit sessions for requested attendance | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | Status: COMPLETED | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Blueprint/Bug Review | 16:12 |
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| adrian_otto | now, normally what I do here is drive status for high priority BPs | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | I have not completed the blueprint curating process for Mitaka yet | 16:12 |
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| adrian_otto | I hoped I would be able to do that with you in the Friday meetup in Tokyo, but travel schedules ended up in conflict with that aspiration, sorry! | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | I also managed to lose my cell phone that morning, but located it again once I got back to the US | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | so my apologies. | 16:14 |
| hongbin | NP adrian | 16:14 |
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| adrian_otto | so I'll pause for any discussion relating to Blueprints, bugs, or other team work items for discussion | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | (we probably deserve a week or so of reduced pressure) | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | we did hold a team retrospective for the Liberty release cycle and to me it sounded like our team is happy with the way we are running things | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | if you think of new ideas for things we can change to do better, please find a way to share those so we can incorporate your input | 16:16 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, I'll advance to the next topic after just a brief pause. | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Functional Testing Strategy | 16:17 |
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| adrian_otto | this is a topic we covered in a design session | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | (does anyone have the link to the etherpad handy?) | 16:17 |
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| adrian_otto | we concluded that we'd like to set up a series of gate jobs so that each COE is tested in parallel in separate jobs | 16:18 |
| hongbin | I don't think we have a etherpad for that session | 16:18 |
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| adrian_otto | this requires patches to project_config to get those set up | 16:18 |
| dane | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-magnum-functional-testing | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | hongbin: aha, that explains why I could not find one | 16:18 |
| Kennan | eliqiao sent a ML about this | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | thanks dane! | 16:19 |
| Kennan | talk related fvt | 16:19 |
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| adrian_otto | one thing that came back up after our discussion was about our intent to use Tempest | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | a contributor expressed to me that we might not want to do that | 16:19 |
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| adrian_otto | the rationale offered was that Tempest makes it more difficult for casual contributors to run the tests from the CLI while developing | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | whereas tox tests are easy to run | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | thoughts on this point of view? | 16:20 |
| hongbin | If not using tempset, the alternative is using magnum CLI? | 16:21 |
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| adrian_otto | hongbin: yes, a tox job that uses the CLI to run a defined sequence of tests. | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | I suppose other approaches are also possible, but that was my understanding as the alternative to Tempest | 16:22 |
| hongbin | An issue is that if there is a change of two patches. One on server, the other on magnumclient | 16:22 |
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| adrian_otto | but I did note that we have a consensus for using Tempest, so I wanted to confirm that as our intent before we changed it | 16:22 |
| hongbin | Then the server patch cannot pass the functional test, because the CLI patch is not merged | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | hongbin: yes, indeed. But if we were testing the Magnum API through Tempest, then we would not get stuck. | 16:23 |
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| hongbin | So, I would propose to remove the CLI dependency on the server tests | 16:24 |
| humble__ | How other projects do their tests | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | agreed. Does anyone feel differently? | 16:24 |
| Kennan | hongbin: could you give a example what's cause that issue ? | 16:24 |
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| Kennan | I did not find what's for our functional test for server/cli changes | 16:25 |
| hongbin | Kennan: A patch on server to change the API, a second patch on CLI to adopt the new API | 16:25 |
| rlrossit | (sorry coming into the middle) why don't we want to use tempest? | 16:25 |
| rlrossit | Tempest is there to test APIs so I say use it... | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | rlrossit: I am trying to voice a minority position about ease of use | 16:26 |
| Kennan | hongbin: seems depends on patch jenkins would deal that, i think | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | want to give this fair consideration before proceeding | 16:26 |
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| rlrossit | to me the hardest thing to do is get up a successful devstack, not the running of tempest... | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | Kennan: we just learned about that feature late last week! | 16:26 |
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| adrian_otto | I'll speak for myself… I just learned about it. | 16:27 |
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| adrian_otto | and the fact that it worked across repos. Super cool. | 16:27 |
| hongbin | Kennan: yes, it will. The issue is that the server patch needs the CLI patch to merge first | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | hongbin, maybe that's actually a good thing? | 16:28 |
| rlrossit | less dependencies == shorter house of cards == happier developers | 16:28 |
| Kennan | hongbin: right now, some tests use rest API test | 16:28 |
| Kennan | right? like baymodel related | 16:28 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: No, since the server patch is not able to pass the gate, since it needs the CLI patch that is not merged | 16:28 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: and gate only picked up the CLI patches that are merged | 16:29 |
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| Kennan | seems violbm have a patch related server_type | 16:29 |
| Kennan | not sure if he solved the issue | 16:29 |
| Kennan | it may be the issue you talked above | 16:30 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, there is another question I wanted to raise | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | about code coverage | 16:30 |
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| adrian_otto | We could add an automated code coverage job that would post coverage details, and deltas, as a non-voting gate job | 16:31 |
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| adrian_otto | coverage can take a long time to run when we have a lot of code to test | 16:31 |
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| adrian_otto | how would you all feel about having a job that automatically added coverage details into the comment stream of each patch? | 16:32 |
| dane | hongbin: Doesn't the "Depends-On" construct in Gerrit handle the dependency across non-merged changes in different projects: #link http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/developers.html#cross-repository-dependencies | 16:32 |
| rlrossit | dane: yep | 16:32 |
| Kennan | dane: I think it would deal with. but I need double confirm the test | 16:33 |
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| Kennan | adrian_otto: for coverage test | 16:33 |
| Kennan | could you give a exmaple ? | 16:33 |
| Kennan | any projects did ? | 16:33 |
| hongbin | dane: rlrossit We can discuss the issue later, possibly after the meeting | 16:34 |
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| adrian_otto | I have not seen it for OpenStack projects before | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | but it makes sense when a project begin to mature, and test quality becomes a leading priority | 16:34 |
| Kennan | adrian_otto: for coverage, I not sure what's the benefits can bring to us for magnum. but like to try if any tools relaed | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | we are still in rapid feature development mode, but I'd like to plan ahead and start really fleshing out our functional testing during Mitaka | 16:35 |
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| adrian_otto | I want to have confidence that if the gate passes, we are not causing regressions | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | and that confidence will only come from a solid set of automated tests | 16:36 |
| Kennan | sure adrian_otto: #agreed | 16:36 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, I'll table the testing discussion for now as I think we've covered it well enough for now | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | we did decide not to require that all new contributions have a func test tied to them, but that we should ask contributors to supply them | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | ask != require | 16:38 |
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| adrian_otto | so my guidance to reviewers is to politely ask for functional tests along with new features. | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | but that we will not reject work if such tests are absent without a really good reason | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | fair enough? | 16:39 |
| Kennan | +1 | 16:39 |
| hongbin | +1. In addition, create a tech-debt for a missing test | 16:39 |
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| humble__ | +1 | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | yes, hongbin! LEt's file tech debt tickets where we know there are missing tests | 16:39 |
| Kennan | good suggestion | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | this is a great way that new contributors can make meaningful improvements to Magnum by contributing tests | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | definitely a way to get a lot of love from me, I'll tell you that. | 16:40 |
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| adrian_otto | alright, let's proceed to open discussion. I noticed that thingee has a docs topic to touch on | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 16:41 |
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| thingee | o/ | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | :) welcome! | 16:42 |
| thingee | so there has been talks with how to install magnum. The current documentation assumes your developer. | 16:42 |
| thingee | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2015-October/008458.html | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | thingee: in our Tokyo contributor's meetup for magnum we covered this | 16:42 |
| thingee | there is quite a bit of promoting magnum happening in the conference, so I want to raise this issue that it would be good for us to be ready for operators. | 16:42 |
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| thingee | excellent | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | we all agreed that producing more comprehensive documentation will be a focus of this cycle | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | we did a brainstorm and produced an outline of topics for operator (user) docs… because our "user" is a cloud operator persona. | 16:43 |
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| thingee | that's about all from me. I'll report this convo back to the thread. | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-mitaka-summit-meetup | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | see line 68+ | 16:44 |
| thingee | excellent, thank you adrian_otto | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | our pleasure | 16:45 |
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| adrian_otto | great docs will fuel Magnum's adoption | 16:45 |
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| rlrossit | I have something to discuss if there's nothing else | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | ok | 16:46 |
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| rlrossit | I saw https://github.com/openstack/magnum/commit/798c7e35ef4b27e81098ab2e4fb03976199ae57b went in, and I noticed in most of test_hacking, it does assertEqual(0/1, <code>) | 16:47 |
| rlrossit | there's fixtures set up already for _assert_has_errors() and _assert_has_no_errors() which is much easier to read | 16:47 |
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| rlrossit | should I open up a bug to get those switched over to _assert_has_errors()? | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | rlrossit: yes | 16:48 |
| rlrossit | sounds good. Thanks! | 16:48 |
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| jasonsb | i have a topic | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | feel free to blurt out whatever you like during this section | 16:49 |
| jasonsb | i attended the manila contributor meetup on friday | 16:49 |
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| jasonsb | one of the topics was mount automation and i mentioned that magnum had discussed this in a session | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | in all fairness, I mentioned it as a desire (at a very high level), but it was not followed by much discussion | 16:50 |
| jasonsb | and that manila should consider both nova and magnum use-case when deciding on mount automation strategy (among other things) | 16:50 |
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| jasonsb | certainly | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | one thing I'm a bit worried about is filesystems as an attack vector | 16:50 |
| jasonsb | so ben asked me to reach out to inquire about requirements etc | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | so I'd rather not allow filesystems to be user supplied | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | I'd like a way for a service provider to "sign" a filesystem | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | but I'm not even sure if what I want is possible/practical yet | 16:51 |
| jasonsb | is this in the context of tenant or project owned filesystems? | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | yes… | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | imagine this | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | we allow cinder volumes to be mounted, and accessed by the host | 16:52 |
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| adrian_otto | the host mounts the filesystem, causing execution within kernel space | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | evil user supplies a hacked filesystem designed to take advantage of kernel space execution | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | leads to compromise of the host | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | bad. | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | so one way to mitigate this is for filesystems to not be supplied by users | 16:53 |
| jasonsb | interesting | 16:53 |
| jasonsb | do you see manila having the same attack surface? | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | so maybe there could be a way that the filesystem could be verified as trusted in some way | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | jasonsb: I'm not sure about manila being vulnerable to that… but possibly. | 16:54 |
| Kennan | jasonsb: are you working in manila ? | 16:54 |
| jasonsb | Kennan: i was pretty active earlier in the year and then dropped out a bit. trying to get back into it | 16:55 |
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| jasonsb | adrian_otto: thank you i had not thought about this before. | 16:56 |
| adrian_otto | It's been keeping me awake a bit worrying about that | 16:56 |
| jasonsb | is it true that this is a worry only for multi-tenant bare-metal? | 16:56 |
| adrian_otto | the main defense from this in the kernel has been to limit access to the mount namespace | 16:56 |
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| jasonsb | nova provisioned containers wont have this problem | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | well…. | 16:57 |
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| adrian_otto | what I can say is that we need to proceed with caution and offer ways to limit exposure to risks that come from user supplied filesystems, or prohibit them completely. | 16:58 |
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| Kennan | jasonsb: what do you mean nova provisioned containers ? do you mean nova-docker ? | 16:58 |
| jasonsb | ok | 16:58 |
| jasonsb | Kennan: containers inside KVM | 16:59 |
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| adrian_otto | we will need to wrap up in a minute and move to adjourn | 16:59 |
| jasonsb | i see almost out of time | 16:59 |
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| jasonsb | but i'll be here | 16:59 |
| jasonsb | to learn more | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | our next meeting will be 2Tuesday 015-11-10 at 1600 UTC. See you then! | 16:59 |
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| adrian_otto | Correction: our next meeting will be Tuesday 2015-11-10 at 1600 UTC. See you then! | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 3 17:00:27 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-11-03-16.01.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-11-03-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-11-03-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
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| sergmelikyan | #startmeeting murano | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 3 17:00:42 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sergmelikyan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:00 |
| sergmelikyan | Welcome to the first after summit meeting :) | 17:01 |
| sergmelikyan | o/ | 17:01 |
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| kzaitsev_ip | o/ | 17:01 |
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| sergmelikyan | I hope here would be few folks joining us today :) | 17:01 |
| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_ip: o/ | 17:01 |
| freerunner | o/ | 17:02 |
| aderyugin | 0/ | 17:02 |
| kzaitsev_ip | I'm still lagging from a flight :) it's 2am in Tokyo now :)) | 17:02 |
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| sergmelikyan | yeah... hope it will be short jet-lag | 17:03 |
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| sergmelikyan | it's easier in east -> west direction usually | 17:04 |
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| sergmelikyan | Today I had no time to prepare agenda, so I guess I will go through hot topics | 17:05 |
| sergmelikyan | #topic CI/CD | 17:05 |
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| sergmelikyan | How our gates are feeling? | 17:05 |
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| freerunner | sergmelikyan: Feel good ;) | 17:05 |
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| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_ip: I saw that we landed all needed patches, but did we resolve all issues? | 17:05 |
| kzaitsev_ip | stables are back stable :) | 17:05 |
| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_ip: thank you! | 17:06 |
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| kzaitsev_ip | I mean there was no error from stable-maintenance jobs today | 17:06 |
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| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_ip: noticed that, probably by next week we will also fix tagging... | 17:06 |
| sergmelikyan | #topic Tagging Liberty | 17:07 |
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| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_ip: had you chance to verify how we should proceed? | 17:07 |
| kzaitsev_ip | k. so we still haven't solved our 1.0.0 situation | 17:07 |
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| kzaitsev_ip | well. yes. I've tried just tagging stable branch and everything seems to be fine with it | 17:08 |
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| kzaitsev_ip | this goes well with the release guys planning to abandon preversioing during mitaka | 17:09 |
| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_ip: like completely? | 17:09 |
| kzaitsev_ip | so I believe I'll tag 1.0.1 tomorrow or the day after(since tomorrow is a holiday here ) | 17:09 |
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| kzaitsev_ip | Serg, yes. | 17:10 |
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| kzaitsev_ip | I'm on the phone currently, but I'll share the etherpad from summit design session | 17:11 |
| kzaitsev_ip | the plan was to tag just use tags and postversonng for everything | 17:11 |
| sergmelikyan | seems quite good, if that would be also nicely automated - will solve a lot of issues and save time | 17:12 |
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| sergmelikyan | #topic Open Discussion | 17:14 |
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| sergmelikyan | I was not able to process all the notes after the summit, I guess we need to work on the follow-ups especcialy for the community app-catalog, we had great discussion with Kevin and Chris on the summit | 17:14 |
| sergmelikyan | last day was especially good | 17:15 |
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| kzaitsev_ip | sry. was trying to find an etherpad in summit app | 17:16 |
| freerunner | sergmelikyan: Looks like you skip one item in agenda.. =( | 17:16 |
| kzaitsev_ip | have I missed much? | 17:16 |
| sergmelikyan | freerunner: which one? | 17:16 |
| freerunner | sergmelikyan: So, I would like to disable one gate in our client repo. | 17:16 |
| kzaitsev_ip | well the etherpad isn't there. I'll post it to murano channel as soon as I get to my laptop. | 17:17 |
| freerunner | sergmelikyan: The gate-murano-devstack-dsvm is useless now for muranoclient patches verification, and should be disabled. | 17:18 |
| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_ip: you are talking about this one https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-mitaka-contributors-meetup | 17:18 |
| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_ip: or this https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TYO-app-catalog | 17:18 |
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| kzaitsev_ip | serelikyan, no, about the one that says somethings about abandoning pre-versioning | 17:19 |
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| kzaitsev_ip | from release session. | 17:19 |
| kzaitsev_ip | about the gate: makes total sense to me. | 17:20 |
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| kzaitsev_ip | none of the projects seem to have such jobs anyway. | 17:20 |
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| sergmelikyan | freerunner: +1 | 17:20 |
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| freerunner | sergmelikyan: Nice, then I'll do the patch. ;) | 17:21 |
| kzaitsev_ip | freerunner feel free to execute what you wanted to :) | 17:21 |
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| freerunner | ^_^ | 17:21 |
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| kzaitsev_ip | about the release session — funny thing is I hardly understood half the things they were saying up until now :) | 17:22 |
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| kzaitsev_ip | I've reviewed my note from summit yesterday and it was so clear — what they were talking about:)) | 17:23 |
| freerunner | FYI, while you were on summit, we setted up a new gate on murano. It's about out cfapi :) It's red now, but after landing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241267/1 and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/240074/ it will become green =) | 17:25 |
| freerunner | sergmelikyan, kzaitsev_ip ^^ | 17:25 |
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| kzaitsev_ip_ | I think I lost a couple of messages, sry. gotta setup some more reliable mobile client | 17:30 |
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| freerunner | kzaitsev_ip_: You just need a bouncer | 17:31 |
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| kzaitsev_ip_ | well, a i have a couple of solutions almost set up :) just need to do the final bits | 17:33 |
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| Nikolay_St | hoe | 17:43 |
| Nikolay_St | is it still murano-time? | 17:43 |
| freerunner | Nikolay_St: Whew ;) Yep | 17:43 |
| freerunner | Nikolay_St: You're late a little bit =) | 17:43 |
| sergmelikyan | yep, but not so much happening... probably we should cut this meeting short today :) | 17:43 |
| Nikolay_St | freerunner: unfortunately I catch a traffic jam | 17:44 |
| Nikolay_St | sergmelikyan: 1 minute please | 17:44 |
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| Nikolay_St | sergmelikyan: kzaitsev_ws freerunner I registered a new bp today | 17:45 |
| Nikolay_St | #link: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/external-request-middleware | 17:45 |
| Nikolay_St | it's about a new middleware for non-OpenStack requests | 17:45 |
| kzaitsev_ws | freerunner: also about gates — we've reached an agreement with congress to add murano gate to their jobs | 17:45 |
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| freerunner | kzaitsev_ws: I promise, I will think about it ;) | 17:46 |
| kzaitsev_ws | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-mitaka-integrations | 17:47 |
| kzaitsev_ws | freerunner: so probably you and I should crash at one of theirs irc meetings | 17:47 |
| freerunner | kzaitsev_ws: Our job-template merged now, so, we need only rewrite our congress-integration tests on tempest instead murano and congress clients. | 17:47 |
| sergmelikyan | Nikolay_St: I don't really get the idea - any spec about that? | 17:47 |
| kzaitsev_ws | and I believe, that we can help them set up the jov | 17:47 |
| kzaitsev_ws | cause otherwise this might stay just in the etherpad )) | 17:48 |
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| Nikolay_St | sergmelikyan: I can create one :) For me idea is clear so I forget that it's needed. | 17:48 |
| Nikolay_St | will do it on Thursday | 17:48 |
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| kzaitsev_ws | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-relmgt-process-changes | 17:49 |
| kzaitsev_ws | the etherpad for relmgt changes for mitaka | 17:49 |
| sergmelikyan | Nikolay_St: I meant where the original idea is comming from? | 17:49 |
| kzaitsev_ws | and here is a link for pre versioning | 17:49 |
| kzaitsev_ws | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-release-drop-pre-versioning | 17:49 |
| freerunner | Nikolay_St: Nice bp, looks cool. | 17:50 |
| Nikolay_St | sergmelikyan: well, we have 'problems' with service broker requests auth | 17:50 |
| kzaitsev_ws | so, coming back to 1.0.1 — it would probably be just fine to tag it without altering setup.cfg at all | 17:50 |
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| Nikolay_St | not it works through Basic Auth, which is not good, because we can't use different middlewares such as context, keystone and ssl | 17:51 |
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| kzaitsev_ws | Nikolay_St: the whole thing is going to only be enabled in the cfapi pipeline in paste, right? | 17:51 |
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| Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_ws: it's right for now, because cf is the only one service which send requests to murano outside OpenStack | 17:53 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | . | 17:53 |
| kzaitsev_ws | Nikolay_St: k. makes sense | 17:53 |
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| Nikolay_St | sergmelikyan: so, should I create a spec or idea look quite simple? | 17:55 |
| sergmelikyan | Nikolay_St: I would say we definetely need spec :) | 17:55 |
| Nikolay_St | #action Nikolay_St create a spec for bp: external-request-middleware | 17:56 |
| sergmelikyan | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 3 17:59:54 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-11-03-17.00.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-11-03-17.00.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-11-03-17.00.log.html | 17:59 |
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| sputnik13 | #startmeeting cue | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 3 18:01:09 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sputnik13. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cue' | 18:01 |
| sputnik13 | role call! | 18:01 |
| sputnik13 | o/ | 18:01 |
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| esmute__ | o/ | 18:02 |
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| sputnik13 | this will be a short meeting if no one else shows up :) | 18:03 |
| abitha | o/ | 18:03 |
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| sputnik13 | davideagnello role call | 18:04 |
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| sputnik13 | alright, so, last week was summit week, we had 2 exciting design sessions between vipul and I | 18:06 |
| sputnik13 | actually there was one person from cisco that just dropped in because he was bored :) | 18:06 |
| sputnik13 | let's do our standard action items, bugs, then open discussion | 18:06 |
| davideagnello | o/ | 18:06 |
| sputnik13 | #topic Action Items | 18:07 |
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| sputnik13 | #info AI #1 davideagnello to work on multi-broker-support https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cue/+spec/multi-broker-support | 18:07 |
| sputnik13 | that's done, check | 18:08 |
| davideagnello | how did the design review go? | 18:08 |
| sputnik13 | there's some details we discussed in the etherpad from the design session | 18:08 |
| sputnik13 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-cue-multi-broker | 18:08 |
| davideagnello | ok | 18:08 |
| sputnik13 | let's talk about that during open discussion | 18:08 |
| davideagnello | looked at that last week after your session | 18:08 |
| davideagnello | ok | 18:08 |
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| sputnik13 | #info AI#2 sputnik13 to fill in details for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cue/+spec/kafka | 18:08 |
| * sputnik13 kicks the can further | 18:09 | |
| sputnik13 | #action sputnik13 to fill in details for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cue/+spec/kafka | 18:09 |
| sputnik13 | #info AI#3 dkalleg to provide details in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cue/+spec/status regarding more accurate rabbitmq status check | 18:09 |
| sputnik13 | where is dkalleg? | 18:09 |
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| davideagnello | not in the office yet | 18:09 |
| sputnik13 | ok | 18:09 |
| sputnik13 | looks like it's not done yet | 18:10 |
| sputnik13 | ok, that's it for previous actions, bugs next | 18:10 |
| sputnik13 | no wait, agenda says discussion first then bugs, doh | 18:11 |
| sputnik13 | been so long since we've had discussion topics :) | 18:11 |
| sputnik13 | #topic Discussion Topics - Mitaka design session | 18:11 |
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| esmute__ | how was the design review? | 18:12 |
| sputnik13 | so, we had 2 design sessions, it was pretty good overall in that it wasn't just vipul and I | 18:12 |
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| davideagnello | nice | 18:12 |
| sputnik13 | it was vipul, myself, and the one guy from cisco... I should have gotten his name :( | 18:12 |
| esmute__ | any new people who participated? | 18:13 |
| sputnik13 | he was more an Ops focused person so we got some good feedback | 18:13 |
| sputnik13 | esmute__ ^ 1 person | 18:13 |
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| sputnik13 | one of the areas of feedback was in how to configure things like brokers, there's a preference for configuration via config files rather than API | 18:14 |
| sputnik13 | some of the rationale being | 18:14 |
| davideagnello | ok, moving away from DB type configuration | 18:14 |
| esmute__ | i think we will be going with config_file to start | 18:14 |
| sputnik13 | 1) it's easier to version control files | 18:14 |
| sputnik13 | 2) it's easier to migrate configuration between environments (dev, test/qa, production) when they're files | 18:15 |
| esmute__ | dbaas does it though configs as well... they have ini groups for each datastore | 18:15 |
| esmute__ | s/dbaas/trove | 18:15 |
| sputnik13 | right | 18:15 |
| sputnik13 | that brought up the question of what about new features that are being added/configured | 18:16 |
| esmute__ | did you guys discuss on any other topics? | 18:16 |
| esmute__ | new features? | 18:16 |
| davideagnello | how would persistence of the config files work in this case? | 18:16 |
| sputnik13 | when you have code and config on each node you could get in to cases where a single node has updated code/config and the others don't | 18:16 |
| esmute__ | new brokers? | 18:16 |
| davideagnello | or backup | 18:16 |
| sputnik13 | and the response was that as long as the op knows about the need to stagger restart the nodes they can handle directing traffic to the node with new code while others are restarted | 18:17 |
| sputnik13 | as long as the restart is quick it won't impact anything significantly | 18:17 |
| sputnik13 | no other topics with respect to other features or broekrs | 18:18 |
| sputnik13 | anyway, I think the two points above were good feedback that we hadn't really considered, and it's good to know that we don't have to necessarily worry about synchronizing deployment of new code/features | 18:18 |
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| sputnik13 | it just needs to be well documented, and we have to ensure our restart times don't go up | 18:19 |
| esmute__ | ok | 18:19 |
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| sputnik13 | before that vipul and I also talked about how brokers should be implemented as code rather than configuration | 18:20 |
| sputnik13 | we can go in to details about that during planning for the multi-broker feature | 18:21 |
| davideagnello | ok | 18:21 |
| sputnik13 | the second design session was just a continuation of the first so there's nothing in the etherpad for that, | 18:21 |
| sputnik13 | we kept it all in the single etherpad | 18:22 |
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| sputnik13 | that's it for the design session, do we have other discussion topics? | 18:22 |
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| sputnik13 | if not let's go on to bugs... | 18:23 |
| davideagnello | zookeeper OOM (Java heap space) we have seen? | 18:23 |
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| sputnik13 | @davideagnello that's a bug right? | 18:23 |
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| sputnik13 | let's file that as a bug | 18:23 |
| davideagnello | looks like, possibly miss configured or use of zookeeper | 18:23 |
| davideagnello | ok | 18:23 |
| sputnik13 | and I think I have a couple different solutions | 18:23 |
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| sputnik13 | no I think based on what I've read about why you get in to OOM with zookeeper, it's more in how we're using it | 18:24 |
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| davideagnello | ok | 18:27 |
| sputnik13 | looks like there are no new bugs | 18:28 |
| sputnik13 | other than the zookeeper OOM | 18:28 |
| davideagnello | yup | 18:28 |
| sputnik13 | that's definitely a critical bug we need to address | 18:28 |
| sputnik13 | since cue won't stay up for very long unless it's addressed | 18:28 |
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| sputnik13 | can we discuss the details offline? | 18:29 |
| vipul | o/ | 18:29 |
| sputnik13 | I need to take care of something | 18:29 |
| sputnik13 | vipul welcome, fashionably late :) | 18:29 |
| vipul | that's how i roll | 18:29 |
| sputnik13 | we're pretty much done | 18:29 |
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| vipul | nice.. great meeting! | 18:30 |
| sputnik13 | just need to discuss the zookeeper OOM issue | 18:30 |
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| sputnik13 | let's do that in a little bit... I have to take care of something | 18:30 |
| vipul | yea we need to patch cue to split out the storage backend to db at the very least | 18:30 |
| vipul | ok | 18:30 |
| sputnik13 | there's at least 2 ways we can solve the problem, I'll detail that in the bug | 18:30 |
| sputnik13 | davideagnello can you file the bug on launchpad? | 18:30 |
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| sputnik13 | alright, I'm going to call it unless anyone has something else to discuss | 18:32 |
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| sputnik13 | record time! 30 minutes :) | 18:32 |
| sputnik13 | going once... | 18:32 |
| davideagnello | ok | 18:33 |
| sputnik13 | going twice... | 18:33 |
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| sputnik13 | #endmeeting | 18:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:33 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 3 18:33:20 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cue/2015/cue.2015-11-03-18.01.html | 18:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cue/2015/cue.2015-11-03-18.01.txt | 18:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cue/2015/cue.2015-11-03-18.01.log.html | 18:33 |
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