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matrohonhi all15:01
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matrohon#startmeeting bgpvpn15:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Oct 13 15:01:46 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is matrohon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:01
doudehi15:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:01
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tmorinhello everyone15:01
pcarverhi15:02
matrohonhi15:02
matrohonjanscheurich, doude vthapar : around?15:02
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matrohonI've updated the agenda :15:03
tmorintimirnich_ maybe around too ?15:03
matrohonhttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/BGPVPN#Agenda15:03
doudematrohon: yes15:03
vthaparhi everyeone, just wrappingup another meeting15:03
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matrohon#topic : subresources15:04
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matrohonthe the patch to move associations to subresources is out15:04
matrohon#link  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/23279815:04
matrohonvthapar, doude you both can review it, it will impact your driver15:05
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matrohonI's still WIP, since it doesn't manage DB resources correctly15:06
tmorinthe neutronclient has been updated to this changed API to create associations15:06
vthaparmatrohon: can't comment much from a review perspective, am just keeping an eye on it and tracking to know what updates needed in driver.15:06
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matrohonvthapar, fine15:06
tmorinit can be used for testing perfectly well,  the thing that breaks is deleting associations15:06
tmorinI will update bagpipe driver this week15:07
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matrohonthe client review is here : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233613/15:07
vthapartmorin: that was going to be my next question. so I can use it to try out driver changesin create path, right?15:07
matrohon#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233613/15:07
tmorinvthapar: yes15:07
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matrohontmorin : I've included the changes in the bagpipe driver15:08
matrohontmorin, but didn't test is yet15:08
tmorinmatrohon: oh good, I'll just have to test then15:08
matrohonUT works at least15:08
matrohon#topic mitaka summit15:08
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tmorin#topic API spec15:09
matrohonI saw that armax sent a mail concerning design session yesterday15:09
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matrohontmorin, you wanted to talk about the spec?15:09
tmorincan be after, nevermind15:10
matrohontmorin fine15:10
matrohonlast time I check armax's link,  etherpad was down...15:10
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matrohonpcarver, did you follow discussion around mitaka summit15:11
pcarvermatrohon: if you mean mailing list discussion, I'm way behind15:11
tmorinI can't fing bgpvpn in any session15:11
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matrohonI'll add a proposal for ligthning talks15:12
matrohonhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-neutron-labs-lighting-talks15:12
tmorin+115:13
tmorinI was just reading this page15:13
tmorinthe Lab track has a "NFV foundation elements" session -- maybe we might fit there15:14
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tmorinbecause BGPVPN are largely a telco tool and can appear at the edge of NFV use cases15:14
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matrohontmorin, we can add a proposal here15:15
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matrohonthere are unplugged tracks too :15:15
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matrohonhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-neutron-unplugged-track15:15
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matrohonon friday15:15
tmorinI think we should add BGPVPN there15:16
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matrohondone15:16
matrohonok let's move on15:16
matrohon#topic API spec15:17
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matrohontmorin?15:17
tmorinyes15:17
tmorinwith the recent change15:17
tmorinpending review and merge15:17
tmorinI think we now have our stable API15:17
tmorinI plan to update the API on the current gerrit topic15:18
tmorin#link https://review.openstack.org/17774015:18
tmorinAnd I will also publish the spec as part of the "doc" directory of networking-bgpvpn15:18
tmorinIt will then appear under http://docs.openstack.org/developer/networking-bgpvpn/15:18
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matrohontmorin : we have to lighten it15:19
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tmorinAnd we will have a fix pointer for the readable version of the spec15:19
tmorinmatrohon: yes, possibly15:19
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tmorinI think I would push the file as-is, and make changes later15:19
tmorinpossibly I will trim now the parts of the specs we don't care that much about15:20
matrohontmorin, we should remove the router association part too15:20
tmorinmatrohon: I see two options15:21
matrohontmorin, any feature that is not implemented should be removed15:21
tmorinkeep all the not-yet-implemented parts, but mark them as not-implemented yet15:21
tmorin(option 1)15:21
tmorinor option 2:  remove them, but document them in a separate file (more editorial work)15:21
tmorinwe need to keep what has been discussed somewhere easier to find and look at, than a gerrit change15:22
matrohonI'm in favor of option 2. The doc file will be packaged with our first release15:22
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matrohonwhat is not implemented should be split in new lueprint15:23
matrohonthat will be easier to track progress on each items15:23
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tmorinok, agreed15:24
pcarverI agree as well, as long as we don't lose it. Putting it into a separate file makes sense.15:25
matrohon#agreed split unimplemented items of the spec 177740 in bgpvpn blueprints15:26
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tmorinwe'll have to decide what we do about half-implemented things (e.g. supported in a db, but without any driver supporting it...)15:26
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matrohontmorin : any example?15:27
tmorinauto-aggregate and route-distinguishers15:27
matrohonoh15:27
tmorin( maybe route-distinguishers will soon be supported by the ODL driver)15:27
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tmorinmaybe auto-aggregate as well15:28
matrohonwe have to implement it in the ref driver too15:28
matrohonotherwise we can't say it's a ref driver15:28
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matrohonvthapar, do you implement the route-distinguisher attribute already in ODL?15:29
tmorinvthapar: same question for auto-aggregate15:29
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matrohonthose items should be tracked by bugs15:31
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matrohonif nobody implements those features in our liberty release, we should remove it15:32
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matrohonlet's coodinate with the ODL team on that15:32
tmorinok, agreed15:32
matrohon#topic diver status15:32
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matrohonon bagpipe we'rre on the way to adapt it for subresources management15:33
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matrohonvthapar, doude : any update on your driver?15:33
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doudematrohon: nothing new, I've to update it with subresources15:34
matrohondoude : fine15:34
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doudeand I slowly continue to work on the contrail implementation (no feedbacks from the opencontrail community)15:34
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matrohondoude : hope you can have good discussions on that during the summit15:35
matrohondoude, with OC guys15:35
tmorintmorin: I hope as well15:35
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matrohon#topic gat jobs15:36
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matrohontmorin wrote oujr first gate job15:36
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matrohonit is running in the experimental queue15:36
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tmorinyes, a simple job doing the installation of the service plugin with the dummy driver15:36
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matrohonit deploys neutron along with the bgpvpn service plugin15:37
tmorinas a starting point to create even more useful jobs15:37
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matrohon#topic open discussion15:37
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matrohonanyone wants to speak?15:38
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matrohonok, that's all for today's meeting15:39
matrohonthanks all15:39
matrohon#endmeeting15:39
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openstackMeeting ended Tue Oct 13 15:39:37 2015 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)15:39
tmorinthanks !15:39
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adrian_otto#startmeeting containers16:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Oct 13 16:01:08 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'containers'16:01
adrian_otto#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2015-10-13_1600_UTC Our Agenda16:01
adrian_otto#topic Roll Call16:01
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mfalatico/16:01
adrian_ottoAdrian Otto16:01
daneyon_o/16:01
Dragoo/16:01
wanghuao/16:01
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TangoTon Ngo16:02
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tcammannhello16:04
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adrian_otto1whoops, I had a local network glitch, sorry about that.16:05
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adrian_otto1#topic Announcements16:05
adrian_otto11) Our PTL Election is complete. Based on the results, I will continue as your PTL for the Mitaka release.16:05
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daneyon_Congratulations adrian_otto116:05
muralia1cool. congrats adrian16:05
MadhuriCongratulations16:05
TangoCongrats!16:06
jay-lau-513_adrian_otto1 congrats!16:06
bradjones__congrats16:06
eliqiaocon!16:06
dimtruckcongrats!16:06
hongbincongrats16:06
wanghuacon!16:06
mfalaticcongratulations!16:06
adrian_otto1I am proud to be part of such a terrific team, thank you all.16:06
adrian_otto12) Release is cutting tonight, for liberty/stable, and all open work will need to be resubmitted against this branch.16:06
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adrian_otto1we have a bunch of straggling bits that we need to land16:06
suro-patz* joining late *16:06
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vilobhmm11hi all16:07
adrian_otto1so my guidance here is that if you don't have a significant objection to merging the work relating to our essential blueprints, that we merge it with tech debt filed against it16:07
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daneyon_adrian_otto1 do you have the etherpad that we used to track what needs to land for L?16:07
adrian_ottoyes, one moment16:07
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vilobhmm11https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-liberty-release-todo is this the one16:08
daneyon_adrian_otto1 It would be nice to review the ep and cross off/update to make sure we're not missing anything.16:08
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adrian_ottovilobhmm11: yes, that's it, thanks16:08
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vilobhmm11adrian_otto : np16:08
adrian_ottoso if we canmanage to merge all of that by tonight, then great16:08
daneyon_#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-liberty-release-todo16:08
daneyon_adrian_otto1 i found it ^16:09
adrian_ottoif not, then we will need to abandon those reviews and resubmit them against the new branch16:09
daneyon_nevermind16:09
adrian_ottoor release without them16:09
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adrian_ottocontinuing with announcments:16:09
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digao/16:10
wanghuahow about the features which are not complete16:10
adrian_otto3) We will not have a meeting the Tuesday after next because of the OpenStack Summit in Tokyo16:10
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adrian_ottoI have updated the meeting schedule accordingly.16:10
adrian_ottowanghua: we need to evaluate them individually16:10
eliqiaothe meeting time will be changed after summit ?16:11
adrian_ottobased on what I have seen in review it's probably smarter to merge what we have up for review rather than releasing without them16:11
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digaadrian_otto: Congrats for becoming PTL once again for Mitaka :)16:11
adrian_ottoand then revisit concerns as a follow-up pursuit16:11
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adrian_ottotx diga16:11
MadhuriAgree16:12
vilobhmm11+116:12
adrian_ottothe good news is that our list is only half as long as last week, but we need to draw the line now.16:12
adrian_ottoI am still willing to run demos for the Magnum session using code from master16:13
adrian_ottobut the code in the release needs to work16:13
adrian_ottoand I am also willing to continually cut revisions as we add meaningful features16:13
adrian_ottoI am willing to cut a release every day if that makes sense16:14
adrian_ottothe OpenStack release process for us is really not that hard16:14
adrian_ottook, any more announcements from team members?16:14
suro-patzadrian_otto: daily release would be useful, if we have some validation commitment16:14
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adrian_ottoI will be raising the functional testing topic just before open discussion16:15
adrian_ottosorry I forgot to place that on the agenda wiki page16:15
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adrian_otto#topic Container Networking Subteam Update (daneyon_)16:15
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adrian_otto#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/container_networking/2015 Previous Meetings16:15
daneyon_thanks16:16
daneyon_we had our usual meeting last week16:16
daneyon_there are a few action items from the meeting that I would like to address16:16
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daneyon_1) ACTION: danehans to address how to add new drivers with adrian_otto16:16
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daneyon_Does anyone have an opinion how we should support add'l network drivers?16:17
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daneyon_Until the heat templates get refactored, it will be difficult to have the drivers out of tree.16:17
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digadaneyon_: I think better we can use kuryr API's internally as we have VIF support now16:18
daneyon_For the time being, drivers will be different heat template fragments or add confditional logic to existing fragments.16:18
adrian_ottohumm, sounds a bit messy16:18
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daneyon_but what about drivers that do not fall under Kuryr16:18
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hongbinIdeally, each driver should be mapped to a heat resource16:19
daneyon_This could be a lengthy discussion that we will need to adress at the design summit16:19
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eghobodiga: we cannot use kuryr, because it's very coe not Docker specific16:19
adrian_ottodaneyon_: ok, let's table this16:19
jugglero/ [some IRC client technical difficulties..]16:19
digaokay16:19
daneyon_2) ACTION: danehans to follow-up with adrian_otto regarding summit schedule and details.16:19
adrian_ottoI have an action item for closing out the topics for Tokyo16:20
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daneyon_I am trying to coordinate with gsagie from the kuryr team.16:20
daneyon_OK16:20
adrian_ottoI have a tool I can use to update the titles and abstracts in the program16:20
daneyon_Otherwise, the swarm patch is complete: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224367/16:20
adrian_ottoso I'll be making the selections based on the topics wiki we referenced last week16:20
adrian_ottoWHOOT16:20
daneyon_I know it's a big one. I could chip away seom of the code, but aligning the swarm templates with the k8s templates make the patch look bigger than what it is16:21
jugglerexcellent daneyon!16:21
adrian_ottothat was around 2000 lines of change16:21
daneyon_This is b/c the TL yml (swarm.yaml) has the master resource pulled out into master.yaml.16:21
adrian_ottonext time, let's try to break that work up a bit more16:21
adrian_ottoso it will be easier to review and merge16:21
daneyon_Again, I am trying to make the swarm templates look as much like the k8s temapltes as possible.16:22
adrian_ottoyes, that was the bulk of the change set16:22
daneyon_adrian_otto will do16:22
daneyon_dane_leblanc is testing the patch16:22
daneyon_I beliebe apmelton will too.16:22
adrian_ottobut I urge reviewers not to -1 that particular patch on that basis16:22
adrian_ottobut that we offer our contributors guidance as the work comes in16:23
daneyon_Be a big help if the core's can do a review when time permits16:23
adrian_ottowill do, daneyon_16:23
vilobhmm11will have a look16:23
daneyon_I know we have big fish to fry to get L out the door, so I'm not sweating it.16:23
daneyon_Thanks all.16:23
daneyon_That's it from me unless their are questions.16:23
adrian_ottowe can take questions in open discussion16:24
eliqiaowould like to see test result after every change of template since we don't have functional testing yet.16:24
adrian_ottothanks daneyon_16:24
adrian_otto#topic Magnum UI Subteam Update (bradjones__)16:24
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bradjones__hey16:24
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bradjones__so main update this week is a big refactor of the bay model table ui16:24
bradjones__#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/212039/16:24
bradjones__really need that patch to land asap16:25
bradjones__I have managed to rope Rob Cresswell who works on horizon to help out with some new blueprints16:25
bradjones__He is going to be working on the UI for Containers16:25
bradjones__so taking the work I have done for bay models and bays and moving it for that resource16:26
bradjones__I don't think there is anything up for review yet but he talked me through what is there and it looks good so far16:26
bradjones__so hopefully we can get that in before tokyo too16:26
adrian_ottoChris Hoge from the OpenStack Foundation asked about this. There is an opportunity to showcase this as part of the Liberty release marketing.16:27
adrian_ottobut what's there looks pretty thin16:27
daneyon_awesome16:27
adrian_ottobut we don't have any more time really16:27
bradjones__adrian_otto: once the review I mentioned previously goes in, in addition to the create view that will be up shortly there is actually a usable UI16:28
adrian_ottobradjones__: I wanted to get a sense from you how much functionality is still up for review that is close to landing16:28
adrian_ottoI voted on the one you mentioned16:28
bradjones__adrian_otto: ah yes I see thanks16:28
adrian_ottook, so what can we do to help you fast-track the create view?16:29
bradjones__I will push it up for review in the next hour or so, then if we can just get it merged as quick as possible16:29
bradjones__once that is done if a few people would actually run it16:29
bradjones__and test the workflow seems good that would be really useful feedback16:30
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adrian_ottook, thanks bradjones__16:30
adrian_ottoany more on this topic before we advance ?16:30
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bradjones__I think that's all for now thanks16:30
adrian_ottothanks bradjones__16:31
adrian_otto#topic Review Action Items16:31
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adrian_otto1) adrian_otto to check into finalizing our summit discussion topic schedule, and release it for addition to the main schedule16:31
adrian_ottoStatus: in progress16:31
adrian_otto#action adrian_otto to check into finalizing our summit discussion topic schedule, and release it for addition to the main schedule16:31
adrian_ottothat concludes action items from last week16:31
adrian_otto#topic Blueprint/Bug Review16:31
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adrian_ottoEssential Blueprint Updates16:32
adrian_otto#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/objects-from-bay Obtain the objects from the bay endpoint (vilobhmm11)16:32
adrian_ottothree reviews are still up for this.16:32
vilobhmm11https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/magnum+branch:master+topic:bp/objects-from-bay,n,z we have +1 for pod/rc patches…16:32
vilobhmm11from Jenkinds16:32
vilobhmm11Jenkins16:32
vilobhmm11jay lau, hongbin and adrian_otto thanks for the review16:32
adrian_ottothere are remaining comments from hongbin on https://review.openstack.org/22336716:33
adrian_ottothat were not solved in the most recent patchset16:33
vilobhmm11hongbin has nit comments on these patches to change a variable name to another16:33
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adrian_ottoshould be a simple fix for those16:33
adrian_ottohe just asked for a few variables to be renamed16:33
vilobhmm11yes adrian_otto after the meeting will upload the varibale name change16:33
adrian_ottook, thanks16:33
vilobhmm11yes you are right16:33
hongbinthx16:34
vilobhmm11so need reviews with these patches16:34
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adrian_ottook, after we have those merged, we can mark this BP as Implemented, correct?16:34
vilobhmm11yes adrian_otto16:34
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adrian_ottoexcellent! Let's do it today.16:34
vilobhmm11ok16:34
vilobhmm11thanks!16:34
vilobhmm11thats it from my side16:35
adrian_ottothanks vilobhmm1116:35
adrian_otto#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/secure-kubernetes Secure the client/server communication between ReST client and ReST server (madhuri)16:35
MadhuriActual functionality patches have been merged16:36
MadhuriJust guide is remaining16:36
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MadhuriThat's needs a revision16:36
adrian_ottook, great16:36
adrian_ottowill we be able to get the guide done before we branch tonight?16:37
hongbinMadhuri: I like to see the guide landed in L release, if you can make it16:37
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Madhuriactually I don't have magnum env to test that guide16:37
hongbinMadhuri: I can test it16:37
adrian_ottoaah, we can help with that16:37
MadhuriCan we merge with tech-debt16:37
MadhuriWill be a great help16:38
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adrian_ottoI can give you a fresh environemnt off of master if you want to run it through manual tests16:38
MadhuriAdrian I will not be able to use your env, no internet to do that now16:38
adrian_ottooh, ok16:38
MadhuriI am currently online on phone16:38
adrian_ottoyikes!16:39
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MadhuriHongbin can you do that?16:39
juggleryikes indeed!16:39
hongbinyes16:39
adrian_ottookay, can I have a volunteer to run through the doc to verify it and record any gaps as bugs against it?16:39
MadhuriThanks hongbin16:39
adrian_ottothanks hongbin16:39
hongbinnp16:39
adrian_otto<316:39
MadhuriI think that will complete our bp16:40
eghoboadrian_otto: i did yesterday and it works16:40
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adrian_ottooh, that's terrific!!16:40
MadhuriFew improvements is needed but that can be done later I guess16:40
adrian_ottothanks eghobo16:40
juggler+1 eghobo16:40
adrian_ottoyes, let's merge ant iterate on it16:40
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adrian_otto*and16:40
MadhuriCan we merge it, if eghobo have tested it?16:40
adrian_ottoyes.16:40
Madhuri+116:40
wanghua+116:41
adrian_ottoand we can continue to scrutinize the release branch16:41
MadhuriYes sure16:41
jugglerthank you Madhuri16:41
MadhuriThat's all16:42
MadhuriThanks16:42
adrian_ottogreat, thanks Madhuri16:42
adrian_otto#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/external-lb Support the kubernetes service external-load-balancer feature (Tango)16:42
adrian_ottoImplemented, right?16:42
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MadhuriYes 😊16:42
TangoAll the current patches merged, thanks everyone for the reviews16:42
vilobhmm11Tango : +116:43
adrian_ottoI'd like to de-scpe the func test16:43
TangoI opened 2 tech debt bugs for user credential and functional test16:43
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adrian_ottoscope that into another child blueprint16:43
TangoOne minor tweak to the doc, will try to get that in16:43
adrian_ottook, or bugs are ok16:43
TangoEither way is OK16:44
adrian_ottodrop the #8 work item, and link the bugs to the BP16:44
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adrian_ottothen we can address as follow ups16:44
Tangook, sounds good.  Are you creating the child BP? or should I do that?16:44
adrian_ottoyes, please take that. I am here if you need any help.16:45
Tangook, I will do that16:45
adrian_otto#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/secure-docker Secure client/server communication using TLS (apmelton)16:45
adrian_ottoI think this is Implemented too16:45
apmeltonadrian_otto: yea, that was done last week16:45
adrian_ottosweet, that's it...16:45
adrian_ottonext topic16:45
adrian_otto#topic Functional Testing Strategy16:45
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adrian_ottomaybe less of a strategy and more of a tactical plan16:46
adrian_ottowe need a way for more testing to happen in parallel16:46
adrian_ottobecause we simply can't wait hours for all of our functional tests to run16:46
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adrian_ottoso we wither need the tests to be faster, or for more to happen in parallel… my idea…16:46
hongbinOne thing is that we can move the magnumclient test to the python-magnumclient project16:46
eliqiaowe can splite functional testing per coe16:47
adrian_ottouse the 3rd party CI feature to set up a farm of machines that all do a grouping of functional tests… per COE16:47
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adrian_ottoeliqiao: yes!16:47
rlrossitadrian_otto: what does the 3rd party-ness get you though?16:47
adrian_ottothis is something we can probably use the OSIC cluster(s) for16:47
eghoboadrian_otto: something like tempest is better for functional testing16:48
adrian_ottorlrossit: they get kicked off all at the same time16:48
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adrian_ottowe can still use tempest for execution of those tests16:48
rlrossitthey are anyways aren't they? or at least they're added to the queue of jobs that need to be run16:48
dimtruckrlrossit: right now the concurrency in our gates is set to 116:48
adrian_ottoour current func tests appear to be serlialized16:48
adrian_ottoeach time we add one, our runtime gets longer16:49
adrian_ottodimtruck: How do we fix that?16:49
rlrossithas anyone looked at http://docs.openstack.org/developer/tempest/plugin.html ?16:49
dimtruckwe can remove it but then it's an added problem of having multiple bay creates at the same time in our gates16:49
dimtruckand from what i've gathered that would make things even slower16:50
rlrossitI'm thinking we need a different job for each coe/os16:50
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rlrossitgranted it will make more queue jobs happen, but the queue is handled by zuul in parallel16:50
adrian_ottodimtruck: We should deal with that gracefully, and if we don't then it's a bug16:50
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tcammann+1 for split by COE16:50
adrian_ottowe will discuss this more in Tokyo16:50
adrian_ottoin a workroom session16:50
dimtruckhas anyone successfully been able to run a number of bay CRUDs (swarm or k8s) for a longish period of time?16:50
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adrian_ottobut I want something to get us through the next two weeks16:51
eliqiao+1 , will in.16:51
dimtruckadrian_otto: makes sense16:51
adrian_ottobecause we are hitting the upper limit of the 2 hour runtime limit16:51
adrian_ottowhat are our options?16:51
tcammannit's taking 1 hour on most runs16:51
adrian_ottotcammann: nod16:51
eghobodmitryme: I did16:51
rlrossitadrian_otto: I can take a look at it and put something in the ML about it16:51
eghobobut I am using new version of atomic image16:51
adrian_ottotcammann: we have new tests in review that double that runtime16:52
tcammannoh I see16:52
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eliqiaosomeone please help to check this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232421/16:52
adrian_ottoso I am thinking of -2 that work16:52
adrian_ottowhich pains me so16:52
tcammann-216:52
adrian_ottoI hate to block tests from merging, but I can't break the gate16:52
tcammanncompletely agree16:52
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tcammannWe have lived without so far16:53
rlrossitwell if it keeps failing jenkins we don't have to worry about it merging16:53
adrian_ottook, so unless a better solution is proposed, that's what I will do16:53
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adrian_ottorlrossit: well, yes… but sometimes you might land on a really fast node16:53
rlrossitoh this actually is a race16:53
rlrossitmy bad16:53
adrian_ottoyes16:54
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rlrossitI thought it was an always failing thing16:54
adrian_ottoit failed once16:54
adrian_ottoI don't know about always16:54
dimtruckrlrossit: re: tempest plugin - that's the next step we should take16:54
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adrian_ottook, I'm going to advance to Open Discussion16:54
juggleroffhand is there someone we know in a similar sized or larger project that has implemented our intended solution successfully?16:54
adrian_ottowe can keep brainstorming on this topic as well16:54
eliqiao+1 for tempest16:54
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adrian_ottojuggler: nova and cinder16:54
adrian_ottoand neutron, I think16:55
adrian_otto#topic Open Discussion16:55
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adrian_ottofor driver testing16:55
adrian_ottoCOE testing is analogous to driver testing16:55
jugglerah16:55
eghoboadrian_otto: one topic to discuss before cut16:55
adrian_ottoeghobo: yes?16:55
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eghobowe need to move to new atomic image which Tango build recently16:56
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eliqiao}16:56
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TangoThis item is on the todo list.16:56
adrian_ottoyes16:56
eghobothis image works for kub and swarm16:56
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adrian_ottoyes, we need to get that onto tarballs.rackspace.com16:56
eliqiao+116:56
adrian_ottoso we can reference it for download as an image16:57
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adrian_ottothat will allow us to use it in gate tests16:57
TangoSo that's different from the fedorapeople site?16:57
adrian_ottoyes, but it's just an optimization16:57
eliqiaoadrian_otto:  do we have wiki on how to using new image on gate?16:57
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adrian_ottothe tarballs site is more local to the machines that run CI16:58
Tangook, who will copy the images there?16:58
adrian_ottoeliqiao: I am not sure , but our friends in #openstack-infra are always very helpful on that topic16:58
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eliqiaoI don't find any script on CI to pull that image.16:58
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eghoboadrian_otto: i think it will take time, why we cannot use current model?16:59
adrian_ottocoming to the end of our time now16:59
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eghobonew image is in fedora public and anyone can use it16:59
eliqiaoplease upgrade CI to use new image16:59
adrian_ottowe will ahve one more team meeting before the summit, on Tuesday 2015-10-20 at 1600 UTC16:59
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adrian_ottowe can continue in #openstack-containers17:00
adrian_ottothanks for attending everyone. I'm super pumped!!17:00
adrian_otto#endmeeting17:00
eliqiaothe old one (atomic-5) is kinds of blocking functional tesitng.17:00
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jugglerthanks adrian and all17:00
adrian_otto:-)17:00
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eliqiaohmm... bye17:00
sergmelikyan#startmeeting murano17:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Oct 13 17:00:40 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sergmelikyan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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sergmelikyanHi folks! o/17:00
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sergmelikyan#topic Action Items Review17:03
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sergmelikyan#1 discuss https://bugs.launchpad.net/murano/+bug/1502437 severity with Serg, continue considering fixes.17:03
openstackLaunchpad bug 1502437 in murano mitaka "Murano picks cidr for subnet which is already used" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Alexander Tivelkov (ativelkov)17:03
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sergmelikyanfolks, looks like we unable to fix this until release, ativelkov can you confirm that?17:04
ativelkovI think I can give an update on this one17:04
ativelkovsergmelikyan: there is no way easy way to fix it properly17:04
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ativelkovbut there is a good workaround to dramatically reduce the chances of this thing happening17:04
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ativelkovIt is to increase the value of max_environments setting in the config from 20 to 25017:05
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sergmelikyanI think we should leave a comment on the bug and mark as won't fix for Liberty17:06
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sergmelikyanand then see if we can backport it when we will have fix in Mitaka17:06
ativelkovSo, you don't want the config change to happen in L?17:07
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sergmelikyanativelkov: you propose to change default value in config right now?17:07
kzaitsev_mbI've makred it with kilo/liberty backport potential17:07
sergmelikyanI didn't realize that17:07
sergmelikyan250 - not too much?17:07
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ativelkovThe proper fix will require us to do a MAJOR redesign of murano engine, this is unlikely to be backported. The simple fix still can be backported17:07
sergmelikyanwhy 25017:07
ativelkovcause it gives us 250 unique CIDRs per env17:08
ativelkovtheoretically we may have more :)17:08
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ativelkovbut 250 is quite ok17:08
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ativelkovit will give you cidrs of 10.0.1.0/24 - 10.0.255.0/2417:08
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ativelkovIt is not a complete solution though17:09
sergmelikyanativelkov: than let's change configuration file for Liberty :) But not mark this bug as fixed17:09
ativelkovAs the collision are still possible17:09
sergmelikyanativelkov: I understand17:09
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ativelkovAlso, there is a better fix which we may do in Mitaka17:10
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ativelkovIt is to generate cidrs not in engine, but at the API (when we generate Network objects for newly created nets)17:11
ativelkovThe API has access to DB, so it may do the proper locking17:11
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ativelkovand ensure that the generated cidrs are unique17:12
sergmelikyanativelkov: I propose to go with configuration change in Liberty, explain what we did in comment message and mark bug as won't fix17:12
ativelkovOK17:12
ativelkovI'll do that17:12
sergmelikyanand see later how to proceed in Mitaka :)17:12
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sergmelikyanWe have release in 2 days, sorry for me being so focused on Liberty :(17:13
ativelkovnp, I perfectly understand that17:13
ativelkovSo, I'll submit the patch to stable/liberty today17:13
StanLagunwe haven't decided yet if we are going to increment versions of core library / MuranoPL format for L17:13
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ativelkov#action ativelkov to change the max_environments setting in stable/liberty17:14
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katyafervnt2StanLagun: that's a good question17:14
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sergmelikyan#topic Increment Version of Core Library17:15
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StanLagunI think we should do it17:15
sergmelikyanStanLagun: bearing in mind that versioning is still experimental in Libery, what do you propose we should do with that?17:16
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StanLagunOtherwise it is impossible for applications to specify that they require yaql 1.0 (via Format: MuranoPL/1.1) or Liberty core library (via its version)17:16
StanLagunIt is still backward compatible17:16
StanLagunBut Murano Kilo will refuse to load applications having Format MuranoPL/1.117:17
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StanLagunso this is a guard from attempting to use yaql 1 functions on Kilo17:17
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sergmelikyanStanLagun: seems right, ativelkov you opinion?17:18
sergmelikyankzaitsev_mb, katyafervnt2?17:18
ativelkovI am with StanLagun here17:18
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ativelkovAs I want to get rid of yaql legacy mode usage in murano17:19
StanLagunAnother question is if we are going to ship 2 versions of core library or just one considering no one could fix on 0.0.017:19
sergmelikyanStanLagun: I propose to finish with first question first )17:19
StanLagunyes, we already have 1.1 unofficially and it doesn't uses legacy mode17:19
kzaitsev_mbI'm... not entirely sure17:19
katyafervnt2I'm also voting for increasing version in L17:19
sergmelikyanativelkov: but it's still will be possible, I mean liberty will run kilo apps17:19
ativelkovsergmelikyan: yes, but these are two different engines17:20
StanLagunboth 1.0 and 1.1 will be supported17:20
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sergmelikyanativelkov: not exactly, it's just running YAQL in Legacy mode?17:21
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ativelkovsergmelikyan: these are different classes for muranopl runtime17:21
ativelkov1.0 and 1.117:21
ativelkov1.0 uses yaql legacy and 1.1 does not17:22
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StanLagunI'd say different modes17:22
ativelkovyup17:22
kzaitsev_mbthe adoption is slow, but if we do not push it it would be even slower17:22
kzaitsev_mbthe adoption of new features I mean..17:22
StanLagunthere is a code that determines if legacy mode should be enabled based on format version. This is done for each function independently17:22
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sergmelikyanOk then, let's do that17:23
katyafervnt2does engine require some modifications? to support both versions and switch to legacy mode if needed?17:23
kzaitsev_mbof new muranopl features I mean17:23
kzaitsev_mbman, my head is fuzzy these days...17:23
StanLagunIt already supports switching. The only thing that need to be added is version constant to compare with17:23
sergmelikyan#agreed to increase version of MuranoPL Format version17:23
StanLagunwhat about core library?17:24
kzaitsev_mbkatyafervnt2: StanLagun: I believe it already supports both versions.17:24
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sergmelikyanStanLagun: I just realised that we don't have much time left to verify all our apps17:24
StanLagunkzaitsev_mb, probably not 1.1. There is 1.0 and ongoing development 2.0. 1.1 will be kind of backport17:24
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StanLagunThere is no need to verify all of the apps17:25
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StanLagunIf we agree to increment core library version meta folder will contain both 0.0.0 and 0.1.017:25
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StanLagunoh, I'm wrong here17:26
sergmelikyanI would propose to not increase version of core library17:26
sergmelikyanversioning itself still experimental17:26
sergmelikyanand even not working properly17:26
sergmelikyangiven number of bugs regarding this in Mitaka17:27
sergmelikyanwhich are not fixed in Liberty17:27
StanLagunif we not increment version is will still have a version 0.0.0. This may be okay but it uses yaql 1.0 inside so there is no way for apps to say they require Kilo core library17:28
StanLagunSo the question is if we want Liberty CL to be distinguishable from Kilo one17:30
sergmelikyanStanLagun: do I understand correctly that you propose just to increase version of current core library in Liberty (and NOT put two of them in Liberty), and if versioning is switched off it does not make difference?17:30
StanLagunbecause apps have requirement on 0.*.* anyway so the change from 0.0.0 to 0.1.0 changes nothing here17:30
sergmelikyan*does not make any difference from apps point of view17:31
StanLagunsergmelikyan, yes, thats correct. Currently we have only one version of CL17:31
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StanLagunbut in Mitaka we will develop second version, not modify current17:31
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sergmelikyanThen, this means we will not break any current apps17:31
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StanLagunno, we will not unless someone said he require 0.0.0 explicitly17:32
StanLagunMaybe we need to consider shipping Kilo as 0.0.0 then17:32
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sergmelikyanStanLagun: it is buy default right? I don't think we should gather all of them in one folder17:33
sergmelikyan*by17:33
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StanLagunsergmelikyan, we should unless we distribute core library via app-catalog etc17:33
StanLagunor via plugin17:33
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StanLagunwe may leave Liberty as 0.0.0 so there will be single CL for now17:34
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StanLagunTo be honest I don't know myself what is better. Just giving the options17:34
sergmelikyanWhen you don't know what it's better, better do nothing :)17:35
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sergmelikyanin this case we can leave as it is, and then if needed change in stable/liberty17:35
StanLagunmay be. But if we do nothing it will be impossible to have Kilo and Liberty CL in the same repo ever17:35
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katyafervnt2if we'll have a request we do backports17:36
katyafervnt2*can do17:36
sergmelikyanit's may be ok... given current number of app, that we updating them, and fact that versioning will be working only with Mitaka release17:36
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StanLagunanyway the version we release now must become frozen. So no modifications there. And then we need to think how to avoid 2 copies of the same code in 2 folders17:37
StanLagunwe could do this for murano-apps but not for CL17:38
sergmelikyan#startvote Should we update version of CL now? Yes, No17:38
openstackBegin voting on: Should we update version of CL now? Valid vote options are Yes, No.17:38
openstackVote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.17:38
sergmelikyan#vote No17:38
ativelkov#vote No17:39
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sergmelikyanStanLagun: easy - liberty folder is available in Liberty branch17:39
StanLagunsergmelikyan, not that easy17:39
Nikolay_St#vote No17:39
StanLagun#vote No17:39
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katyafervnt2#vote No17:39
katyafervnt2I'm with you :)17:39
sergmelikyan#endvote17:40
openstackVoted on "Should we update version of CL now?" Results are17:40
openstackNo (5): Nikolay_St, StanLagun, katyafervnt2, ativelkov, sergmelikyan17:40
StanLagunsergmelikyan, anyway *all* versions of CL must be imported during installation of Murano.17:40
kzaitsev_mbwow that was a fast 2-minute vote =)17:40
sergmelikyan#agreed that we are not updating CL version17:40
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sergmelikyankzaitsev_mb: majority17:40
sergmelikyan:)17:40
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StanLagunthe things that worries me is that 1.0 -> 1.1 update is not a bug, but it has to be backported to stable/liberty17:41
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sergmelikyanStanLagun: I am not sure that it will be required17:43
StanLagunThe whole point of this is to be possible to require Liberty runtime buy saying MuranpPL/1.117:44
StanLagun*by saying Format: MuranoPL/1.1*17:44
sergmelikyanMuranoPL/1.1 is a one thing, version of core library is another right?17:44
StanLagunyes17:44
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StanLagunBut current core library requires yaql 1.0 so it may be reasonable so specify 1.1 there as well17:45
StanLagunbut then it need to be tested because it may require yaql legacy mode17:46
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* sergmelikyan feeling that he and Stan eating meeting time17:47
sergmelikyanThan we can test this before merging :)17:47
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sergmelikyanStanLagun: please propose change and let's see. If we will not be able to make sure that everything is working like we planning - we will not merge this in Liberty17:48
StanLagunok, lets proceed17:48
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sergmelikyanWe have one more bug assigned but not fixed in Liberty https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/150413517:49
openstackLaunchpad bug 1504135 in murano mitaka "Murano-engine utilizes 100% of CPU" [High,Confirmed]17:49
sergmelikyanwe even don't know details...17:49
sergmelikyanWe will be able to look at this bug before release?17:49
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sergmelikyanativelkov: ^17:51
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ativelkovI am not sure. It happens only during the rally testing17:51
ativelkovI could not reproduce it locally17:52
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sergmelikyanThen I propose to remove from liberty and mark as backport potential https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/150413517:53
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1504135 in murano mitaka "Murano-engine utilizes 100% of CPU" [High,Confirmed]17:53
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sergmelikyanobjections?17:53
StanLagunnone17:54
Nikolay_Stnope17:54
ativelkov++17:54
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StanLagunbut he promised to come back some day :)17:57
Nikolay_St:D17:57
sergmelikyansorry, got disconnected :(17:57
sergmelikyanany objections?17:57
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Nikolay_Stno objections)17:57
katyafervnt2everybody has no :)17:57
sergmelikyan#agreed remove from liberty and mark as backport potential https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/150413517:57
openstackLaunchpad bug 1504135 in murano mitaka "Murano-engine utilizes 100% of CPU" [High,Confirmed]17:57
katyafervnt2*says17:57
sergmelikyanthen let's finish on this note :)17:57
sergmelikyan#endmeeting17:57
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Nikolay_Stbye!17:58
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esmute__cue-ies we are late18:20
esmute__lets have the meeting18:20
dkallego/18:20
abithao/18:20
esmute__#startmeeting openstack-cue18:20
openstackMeeting started Tue Oct 13 18:20:34 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is esmute__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:20
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:20
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstack_cue'18:20
dkallegmissing sputnik13 and vipul today18:20
esmute__Hello.. sorry for the delay... we had some meetings here18:20
esmute__Nothing in the agenda18:21
esmute__#https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Cue18:21
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esmute__#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Cue18:21
davideag_o/18:21
esmute__Lets go thru the action items from last time18:21
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esmute__#topic multi-broker-support18:21
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esmute__davideag_: whats up with ?18:22
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davideag_yes18:22
davideag_I had a discussion with Nikhil on the multi-store design and implementation in Trove18:22
davideag_two weeks ago18:22
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davideag_to get more background on how different projects have addressed this design problem18:22
davideag_other than that, I haven't spent more time on this18:23
esmute__do you think you have got what you need to start  the BP?18:23
davideag_hopefully will get some time early next week18:23
esmute__ok18:23
davideag_so this is to provide a high-level design and direction for multi-broker support18:23
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davideag_I also have to get more information on how clustering works in other messaging broker types like Kafka18:24
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esmute__#action davideag_ to continue working on the design to support multiple brokers18:24
esmute__ok we will revisit that next week18:25
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esmute__Looks like sputnik13 is MIA so cant ask him about kafka18:25
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esmute__#topic rabbitmq status check18:25
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esmute__dkalleg: the floor is yours18:26
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dkalleghey sorry18:26
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dkallegI haven't have a chance to go deeper into this18:26
esmute__any update on the rabbitmq status ?18:26
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dkallegSo, no real update here.18:27
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esmute__but there have been some patches up for reviews18:28
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esmute__ok..18:29
davideag_I think this investigation was to see if there are other ways to get per node status18:29
dkallegwe do have a patch out for active cluster status checking :)18:29
esmute__lets have this talk next week when the other folks are here18:29
esmute__#topic open discussion18:29
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dkallegRight.  And the active cluster status check uses the same method we've been using, which is what is under investigation with the bp18:29
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esmute__ok.. have a good week folks18:30
esmute__#endmeeting18:30
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davideag_have a good week18:30
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mfagan   /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER mfagan kzpoatvoyfnn22:49
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