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| n0ano | #startmeeting nova-scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 28 14:00:34 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| n0ano | anyone here to talk about the scheduler? | 14:00 |
| * bauzas waves, like a surf prorider | 14:01 | |
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| n0ano | bauzas, hang ten dude :-) | 14:01 |
| bauzas | :) | 14:01 |
| edleafe | \o | 14:01 |
| n0ano | #topic Mitaka planning | 14:02 |
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| n0ano | so we're getting close to the summit, I hope we can get everything about the scheduler discussed that we want | 14:02 |
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| n0ano | I can think of a few items we should talk about: | 14:03 |
| n0ano | 1) finishing the current cleanup efforts | 14:03 |
| n0ano | 2) doing the scheduler split | 14:03 |
| n0ano | 3) removing flavors from the scheduler API | 14:03 |
| n0ano | are there any others people want to address? | 14:03 |
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| bauzas | some ML discussion was about how to get resources from other projects | 14:04 |
| edleafe | how about allocating the work more evenly? | 14:04 |
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| edleafe | seemed like bauzas got most of it dumped on him | 14:04 |
| edleafe | in liberty | 14:04 |
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| n0ano | bauzas, good one, that would be a cross project effort, perfect for the summit | 14:05 |
| bauzas | n0ano: well, I'm not super convinced on that given all the feedback we had from the other summits, but we can surely ask for it again | 14:05 |
| n0ano | edleafe, +1 but was that just a one time thing for liberty or do we need to do something specific to address it | 14:05 |
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| lxsli | o/ | 14:06 |
| bauzas | edleafe: well, we surely are a team, but we can't just allocate our time like this :) | 14:06 |
| edleafe | I think that we need to think about the overall effort required for each piece | 14:06 |
| bauzas | that said, I should be pretty free from the scheduler standpoint for this release :D | 14:06 |
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| bauzas | since our focus IMHO is to finish the work | 14:07 |
| edleafe | I had a lot more bandwidth available for scheduler in liberty | 14:07 |
| bauzas | ie. merge reqspec-object and resource-objects | 14:07 |
| bauzas | we're really blocked from getting further until we have those 2 blueprints implemented | 14:08 |
| edleafe | bauzas: agreed. I was wondering if we could have split up that work better so that you weren't stuck with doing all the req spec stuff | 14:09 |
| bauzas | edleafe: well, I had 1 BP implemented and merged, 1 BP implemented waiting reviews and 1 BP approved | 14:09 |
| bauzas | edleafe: I don't think it was a good release for me :D | 14:09 |
| bauzas | uh | 14:09 |
| bauzas | s/good/bad | 14:09 |
| edleafe | bauzas: that's the point | 14:10 |
| edleafe | you were very busy and productive | 14:10 |
| edleafe | while others had to look elsewhere to keep busy | 14:10 |
| edleafe | I would have rather focused on scheduler stuff | 14:10 |
| bauzas | okay, what do you propose ? :) | 14:11 |
| n0ano | edleafe, I think the problem was the cleanup, while a little big, was fairly focused not that decomposable | 14:11 |
| n0ano | so we didn't have much choice but to let bauzas and jay do the heavy lifting | 14:11 |
| n0ano | all comes down to, if we can split the scheduler out I think things we be more manageable | 14:12 |
| edleafe | n0ano: perhaps, but I don't remember that being known ahead of time. | 14:12 |
| edleafe | I'm just thinking that maybe we should consider the load involved in the assigned tasks | 14:12 |
| n0ano | edleafe, +1 | 14:13 |
| bauzas | soooo | 14:13 |
| n0ano | I think it's a learning process and we just need to try and remember that going forward | 14:13 |
| bauzas | now that we've said that | 14:13 |
| edleafe | n0ano: exactly | 14:14 |
| bauzas | there are still some stuff to do with the scheduler | 14:14 |
| bauzas | #1 polish up the interfaces | 14:14 |
| bauzas | #2 address how we request the scheduler | 14:14 |
| bauzas | #3 identify how to provide some x-project resources to the scheduler | 14:15 |
| bauzas | #4 see how we can scale the scheduker | 14:15 |
| bauzas | now, I can understand that people miss some homework, but I'd appreciate if you could just comment out a few stuff | 14:15 |
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| bauzas | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192260/ | 14:16 |
| bauzas | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191914/ | 14:16 |
| bauzas | because I'm very happy to share my homework too, but I'd like to know thoughts from the group | 14:17 |
| bauzas | also, we're having 21 open bugs | 14:17 |
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| bauzas | uh, even 30 | 14:17 |
| bauzas | in particular, I beg the attention of the team since we're in RC period, bugs are very important | 14:18 |
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| bauzas | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=scheduler | 14:18 |
| n0ano | well, I know a a new team whose major goal right now is bug fixing so I'll see if I can get them to look into some of the scheduler bugs | 14:19 |
| bauzas | fixing bugs is as much as important as creating bugs (ie. writing features) | 14:20 |
| bauzas | :) | 14:20 |
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| n0ano | not sure where we want to go from here | 14:22 |
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| n0ano | I'm thinking that reviewing and commenting on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192260/ is fairly crucial, shall we go do that and be ready to discuss it next week? | 14:24 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: what I'd like to see is the subteam providing feedback to johnthetubaguy indeed | 14:25 |
| bauzas | because before speaking of implementation, we need to agree on a path to follow | 14:25 |
| n0ano | #action all to review/comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192260/ | 14:25 |
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| johnthetubaguy | reviews on that would be helpful, its been on the etherpad of important reviews for a little while | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | its really trying to capture the consensus | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | not change the direction | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | so it easier for folks to get the context of what is currently being worked on, and join in | 14:28 |
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| n0ano | sorry about that, network drop | 14:33 |
| n0ano | I think we're done for today so tnx everyone, talk to you later | 14:34 |
| n0ano | #endmeeting | 14:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:34 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 28 14:34:15 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2015/nova_scheduler.2015-09-28-14.00.html | 14:34 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2015/nova_scheduler.2015-09-28-14.00.txt | 14:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2015/nova_scheduler.2015-09-28-14.00.log.html | 14:34 |
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| dims | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 28 16:00:05 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dims. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| dims | courtesy ping for GheRivero, amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dougwig, e0ne, flaper87, garyk, harlowja, haypo, | 16:00 |
| dims | courtesy ping for ihrachyshka, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz, lifeless, lintan, ozamiatin, redrobot, rpodolyaka, | 16:00 |
| dims | courtesy ping for sergmelikyan, sreshetnyak, sileht, sreshetnyak, stevemar, therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek | 16:00 |
| johnsom | o/ | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | sup | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
| zzzeek | o/ | 16:00 |
| stevemar | dims: o/ | 16:00 |
| redrobot | o/ | 16:00 |
| markus_z | o/ | 16:00 |
| bknudson | hodor | 16:00 |
| stevemar | congrats bknudson! | 16:00 |
| stevemar | i feel like i just hijacked a #topic... | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:00 |
| dims | ^^ yep congrats! | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | o/ Kind of. In two meetings. | 16:00 |
| dims | jungleboyj: ack | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | bknudson: What did I miss? | 16:01 |
| kzaitsev_mb | o/ | 16:01 |
| dims | #topic welcome to new core member brant :) | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "welcome to new core member brant :) (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:01 | |
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| harlowja_at_home | video about bknudson https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYLtBFQDAGE lol | 16:01 |
| toabctl | hi | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | dims: Thank you. :-) | 16:01 |
| bknudson | I feel like I'm joining the A-Team now. | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | bknudson: Congratulations! | 16:01 |
| markus_z | hooray for bknudson | 16:02 |
| bknudson | thanks | 16:02 |
| dims | #topic oslo doc sprint | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "oslo doc sprint (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:02 | |
| dims | here's the stats - http://markmail.org/message/kt6rn5czawxvkjaz | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | 88thousand commits | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | nice | 16:02 |
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| dims | we did good. hoping to get more folks involved next time :) | 16:03 |
| bknudson | 88 commits is pretty good for any 2 days | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | def | 16:03 |
| dims | bknudson: yep. ++ | 16:03 |
| dims | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:03 | |
| johnsom | Nothing here other than pain with the new coverage | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | an idea, for liasons, ourselves, should we send out something like http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/075628.html for oslo? | 16:04 |
| bknudson | nothing from keystone. | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | Nothing from Cinder right now. | 16:04 |
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| dims | harlowja_at_home: good idea, theirs seem to be towards end users | 16:05 |
| johnsom | Sure, I can promote a survey in my projects if you have questions for the folks. | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims, right, maybe we can brainstorm on questions or something later | 16:05 |
| dims | harlowja_at_home: ++ | 16:05 |
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| dims | #topic Releases for Liberty/Mitaka | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Releases for Liberty/Mitaka (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:05 | |
| dims | We have not made any releases for Mitaka from master yet. | 16:05 |
| dims | Does anyone have anything backported from master to stable/liberty? | 16:05 |
| bknudson | you going to up the minor version # for M? | 16:06 |
| bknudson | alternatively, how about remove a bunch of deprecated stuff and up the major version # for M | 16:06 |
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| harlowja_at_home | i'd like to do that in M (for taskflow); dump a bunch of deprecated stuf | 16:07 |
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| dims | bknudson: will depend on library i think, we should get dhellmann's input. (he's running an errand) | 16:07 |
| dims | harlowja_at_home: ++ | 16:07 |
| dims | #topic openstack spec - a common bug report utility | 16:08 |
| dims | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227736/ | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | guess i gotta fix https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198914/ before that though, ha | 16:08 |
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| dims | So markus_z brought it up in a few venues... | 16:08 |
| dims | markus_z: around? | 16:08 |
| markus_z | yepp. It's this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227736/ | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | is that like the firefox/windows bug reporting tool(s) ? | 16:08 |
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| harlowja_at_home | firefox/windows/linux other ... | 16:09 |
| markus_z | basically I'd like to have something which produces me bug-reports with the minimum debug infos. | 16:09 |
| harlowja_at_home | cool | 16:09 |
| markus_z | collect the logs, confs, pip freeze and so on | 16:09 |
| markus_z | I asked the Cinder and Neutron folks, their bug reports lack (like in Nova) the minimal debug information in the bug reports. | 16:10 |
| kzaitsev_mb | that'd definitelly be a nice tool to have | 16:10 |
| markus_z | The open questions are: Do we want this? If "yes", which repo should host it? | 16:10 |
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| bknudson | If we had stackforge I'd say put it in stackforge | 16:11 |
| markus_z | What do you think about an "oslo.bugreport" repo? | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | imho, oslo is fine, move it around if people feel it belongs in a different repo in the future? (i don't feel that its worth debating about to much honestly) | 16:11 |
| bknudson | if it gets enough users and contributors then move it into oslo. | 16:11 |
| dims | markus_z: we don't have a tools oriented repo right now. oslo-incubator will be removed shortly | 16:11 |
| dims | markus_z: do you have a prototype anywhere? | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | or just openstack/bugreport at the top-level, (is something like that possible now in the big-tent?) | 16:12 |
| markus_z | dims: sorry, no prototype yet. | 16:13 |
| bknudson | I think with big tent you can just put it in openstack/ | 16:13 |
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| dims | bknudson: right, i am guessing markus_z is looking for collaborators and reviewers | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | so maybe goes like this, personal github (poc, prototype, initial work) ---> openstack/bugreport (or if that gets much resistance oslo.bugreport?) | 16:13 |
| bknudson | it's got a gerrit repo so you can still collaborate and review | 16:14 |
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| harlowja_at_home | i'll review pull requests on github if needed, lol | 16:14 |
| dims | bknudson: another question is make it oslo, would it help speed it up? | 16:14 |
| bknudson | I like harlowja's suggestion. | 16:14 |
| bknudson | I think it would be slower to put it in oslo | 16:14 |
| dims | ack | 16:14 |
| bknudson | if it's in your own repo you can follow your own rules | 16:15 |
| markus_z | muahahahaaa (so much power) | 16:15 |
| markus_z | :) | 16:15 |
| dims | markus_z: haha | 16:15 |
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| * harlowja_at_home has no problem reviewing any PR that u want as u want, and then when its somewhere u want it to be, move into openstack? | 16:15 | |
| dims | markus_z: let's ping dhellmann as well later on oslo channel and it looks like consensus is that a prototype would help and big tent may be the next step after that | 16:16 |
| markus_z | ok, harlowja's approach sounds good. Own repo -> gather folks -> speed things up -> show poc -> potentially move to oslo <= that ok? | 16:16 |
| harlowja_at_home | i can help setup travis for u to | 16:16 |
| harlowja_at_home | *travis setup isn't that hard | 16:16 |
| harlowja_at_home | aka https://github.com/yahoo/Zake/blob/master/.travis.yml (or equivalent) | 16:16 |
| dims | k switching topics | 16:17 |
| dims | #topic oslo specs - pika and kafka drivers for oslo.messaging | 16:17 |
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| markus_z | harlowja_at_home: Jepp, I'll ping you when I have the repo ready. | 16:17 |
| markus_z | harlowja_at_home: thanks | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | np | 16:17 |
| * harlowja_at_home did some reading on kafka this weekend | 16:17 | |
| dims | there's some reviews around kafka and some email thread and github repo for pika based driver | 16:17 |
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| harlowja_at_home | now that i understand kafka a little better, i can hopefully help there a little | 16:18 |
| dims | anyone interested in that work? | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | pika, i'd really like the rabbitmq folks to look at (do they exist?) | 16:18 |
| dims | harlowja_at_home: kafka the writer? :) | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims, oh crap, this kafka is not that kafka??? | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:18 |
| dims | harlowja_at_home: y they come and go, need to make 'em stay :) | 16:19 |
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| harlowja_at_home | dims, maybe if we bake them cookies they will stay? | 16:19 |
| dims | haha | 16:19 |
| * harlowja_at_home isn't volunteering though | 16:20 | |
| dims | so we'll end up with kafka, pika based rabbitmq driver, zmq new driver in M | 16:20 |
| dims | harlowja_at_home: i'll try to get them engaged | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | that(s) alot of drivers :-P | 16:20 |
| dims | k. last topic before open discussion | 16:20 |
| dims | #topic summit request for sessions | 16:21 |
| dims | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-oslo-summit-planning | 16:21 |
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| dims | Anyone have any more ideas? | 16:21 |
| bknudson | how many slots? | 16:21 |
| dims | bknudson: don't know yet | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | some kind of survey results might help here | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | if people are able to tell us 'things theyd like to see in oslo' in that survey, we can include that :-P | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | or 'things they don't like about oslo' | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | or whatever | 16:22 |
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| bknudson | better docs | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | 88 commits man! | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:22 |
| dims | harlowja_at_home: ack, let's do the questionnaire this week | 16:22 |
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| harlowja_at_home | but yes we need 88 more | 16:22 |
| bknudson | needs about 200 more commits | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | agreed | 16:22 |
| dims | ++ | 16:23 |
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| dims | #topic Open discussion | 16:23 |
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| harlowja_at_home | doc day could be friday :-P | 16:23 |
| dims | that's all i have for topics | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | every friday | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | or something | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | or every other friday | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | then 200 will become 150 -> 100 ... | 16:24 |
| * dhellmann arrives late | 16:24 | |
| dims | we can try first friday of the month? | 16:24 |
| rockyg | hey, I want to thank dhellmann and bknudson for their work on the oslo.log docs! | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims, i'd be ok with that | 16:24 |
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| harlowja_at_home | working at it over time is how taskflow docs became what they are | 16:24 |
| bknudson | rockyg: we made some of the easy improvements, but I assume you had some more ideas. | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | just takes that continually beating the docs until they are better | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | beating/improving, lol | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | dims, markus_z : the bug reporting tool sounds like it might be useful, but I'm not sure it fits the oslo mission. I like the idea of starting it on its own, or even talking to the qa team about hosting it, but there's no reason it needs a home in an existing team | 16:26 |
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| dims | dhellmann: i agree | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | and it needs to be named a cool name, like 'bugz' lol | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home: borax? | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | hmmmm | 16:27 |
| markus_z | dhellmann: OK, I'll do that and keep the folks on the ML in the loop. | 16:27 |
| dims | "sodium borate, sodium tetraborate, or disodium tetraborate" :) | 16:27 |
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| dhellmann | "It is also an active ingredient in indoor and outdoor ant baits and killers and used for killing cockroaches" from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borax | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | also a laundry booster? | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | http://www.stacymakescents.com/wp-content/uploads/borax.jpg | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | 20 mule team??? | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | til | 16:28 |
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| dims | we used to to play carrom board - https://www.google.com/search?q=carrom+board&es_sm=91&biw=1764&bih=966&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAmoVChMIgsyhg5OayAIVB2seCh08igJC | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | anyway, names are up to markus_z :-) | 16:28 |
| dims | we are going way into the weeds | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:29 |
| markus_z | :) | 16:29 |
| dhellmann | rockyg, bknudson : ++ to pulling together a list of other things it would be useful to add to the logging docs | 16:29 |
| dims | rockyg: dhellmann: use launchpad to log things that we need worked on | 16:29 |
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| dhellmann | dims: ++ | 16:30 |
| dims | dhellmann: did you see the discussion about a questionnaire? | 16:30 |
| rockyg | for logging, I think the most useful thing would be its own chapter in the docs that talks about setup and how to override configs project by project. Then pull all the logging sections out of the indvidual project config sections | 16:31 |
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| harlowja_at_home | something like http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/075628.html (but more oslo focused) | 16:31 |
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| dhellmann | dims, harlowja_at_home : a questionnaire could be useful, if we ask the right questions. We need to make sure they aren't *too* open ended. | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | agreed | 16:33 |
| dims | dhellmann: harlowja_at_home: what's our audience? other openstack-developers? | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | rockyg: it sounds like you're talking about something the documentation team would need to do, since we don't own the manuals | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | dims: it depends on what we want to know | 16:33 |
| rockyg | dhellmann, yup. docs meeting/irc. Next stop! | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | there was some discussion about the UX survey possibly overloading the survey space for users, and we should be careful about that. If we want to talk to users, we can get the user committee to add some questions to their survey for us | 16:34 |
| harlowja_at_home | i was thinking dev, get feedback on possibly what new libraries/common code that is out there that needs centralizing, what things people do/don't like about oslo, and/or other idears | 16:34 |
| dims | dhellmann: harlowja_at_home was hinting that we could use it to plan work for M | 16:34 |
| dhellmann | if we want to talk to devs, we can just do that ourselves | 16:34 |
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| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home: I like the idea of looking for more code to pull into libraries. Our liaisons ought to be able to help with that, too. | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | something like if oslo.config was connected into zookeeper/etcd/consul, would that be interesting for folks though could be an operator question | 16:35 |
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| bknudson | I've got a qq if I can find the code... | 16:35 |
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| bknudson | not too long ago we go a change to keystone to use entrypoints for paste filters -- http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystone/tree/etc/keystone-paste.ini#n6 | 16:36 |
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| bknudson | for some reason the oslo.middleware entrypoints are defined in keystone. | 16:36 |
| dhellmann | probably from when those were in the incubator? | 16:36 |
| bknudson | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystone/tree/setup.cfg#n178 | 16:37 |
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| bknudson | request_id = oslo_middleware:RequestId.factory | 16:37 |
| dhellmann | changing a paste configuration file takes 2 cycles, because it's a config file and grenade barfs if the old version doesn't work | 16:37 |
| bknudson | actually, that's the only one. | 16:37 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims, i'll start an etherpad with potential survey ideas when i get into work | 16:37 |
| harlowja_at_home | then i guess we can 'brainstorm' on there or whatever | 16:38 |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home: ++ | 16:38 |
| dims | ack | 16:38 |
| bknudson | what do you think about defining the entrypoints in oslo.middleware? http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystone/tree/setup.cfg#n178 | 16:38 |
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| dhellmann | bknudson: we should do that, I think any that are missing are a bug | 16:38 |
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| bknudson | file a bug? | 16:39 |
| dims | bknudson: ++ | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: the patch would be quicker | 16:39 |
| bknudson | I might not have time to work on it for a while | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: ok, at least a bug | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | we'll need to add the entry to middleware this cycle, then next cycle keystone can change it's paste file | 16:39 |
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| dhellmann | actually, I think keystone can change its paste file this cycle it just can't remove the entry in its setup.cfg | 16:40 |
| harlowja_at_home | *also survey probably shouldn't be via google surveys (as it appears the ceilometer one is); think google is banned in china :-/ | 16:40 |
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| bknudson | we'll have to mention it in the release notes | 16:40 |
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| dhellmann | hmm, bknudson, now that I think of it I don't know what paste will do if it finds 2 entries with the same name | 16:40 |
| rockyg | no google in China. | 16:40 |
| dhellmann | this might take more thought | 16:40 |
| rockyg | surveymonkey in china, I think | 16:40 |
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| harlowja_at_home | rockyg, cool, good to know | 16:41 |
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| harlowja_at_home | probably a few thousand similar survey tools in the interwbs, lol | 16:41 |
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| dims | k. let's wrap it up :) | 16:43 |
| dims | thanks everyone | 16:43 |
| dims | #endmeeting | 16:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 28 16:43:18 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:43 |
| bknudson | dhellmann: might want to prefix it. | 16:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-09-28-16.00.html | 16:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-09-28-16.00.txt | 16:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-09-28-16.00.log.html | 16:43 |
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| dhellmann | bknudson: if you start the bug and send me a link I'll add some thoughts to it in case someone else has time to work on it | 16:43 |
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| catherineD | #startmeeting refstack | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 28 19:00:19 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is catherineD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| hogepodge | o/ | 19:00 |
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| catherineD | Hi hogepodge: | 19:00 |
| catherineD | #link meeting agenda and notes, please feel free to add items https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-15-09-28 | 19:01 |
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| catherineD | hi everyone, this week's meeting will be interactive with voice ... | 19:01 |
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| pvaneck | we just calling in with the conference number? | 19:02 |
| catherineD | I was planing to use hangout call in so it would be easier for Sergey ... but I have not receive any gmail info from anyone ... so I guess we will use a conference call number listed in the agenda | 19:02 |
| catherineD | pvaneck: yes | 19:02 |
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| catherineD | USA Toll-Free: 888-426-6840, pass code: 8796869 | 19:03 |
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| catherineD | Ukraine Toll-Free 800-502-886 , 888-426-6940 | 19:04 |
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| catherineD | roll call | 19:04 |
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| GheRivero | o/ | 19:08 |
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| catherineD | GheRivero: Hi .. we are having an interact meeting with call today ... USA Toll-Free: 888-426-6840, pass code: 8796869 | 19:12 |
| GheRivero | it's me. trying to fix my mic. | 19:13 |
| catherineD | #topic Brainstorm on data models among vendor, user, key and result data. | 19:14 |
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| catherineD | #link Using Mark's https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226902/ as the starting point | 19:14 |
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| catherineD | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/228565/ | 19:20 |
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| catherineD | thank you every for jpining the cakk ... | 19:58 |
| pvaneck | call* | 19:58 |
| pvaneck | yep thanks | 19:59 |
| catherineD | please add your comments to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226902/ | 19:59 |
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| catherineD | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 28 19:59:55 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-09-28-19.00.html | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-09-28-19.00.txt | 19:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-09-28-19.00.log.html | 20:00 |
| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 28 20:00:09 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
| kfarr | o/ | 20:00 |
| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:00 |
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| silos | /o/ | 20:00 |
| rellerreller | o/ | 20:00 |
| dave-mccowan | \o/ | 20:00 |
| hockeynut | (looking for chellygel-approved ascii sequence) | 20:00 |
| hockeynut | (not finding one) | 20:00 |
| hockeynut | o/ | 20:00 |
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| redrobot | hockeynut lol | 20:01 |
| jkf | o/ | 20:01 |
| spotz | o/ | 20:01 |
| redrobot | as usual the meeting agenda can be found here: | 20:01 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican | 20:01 |
| dave-mccowan | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 20:01 |
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| hockeynut | oh dave-mccowan thats way too cool | 20:02 |
| arunkant | 0/ | 20:02 |
| woodster_ | o/ | 20:02 |
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| elmiko | o/ (sorta) | 20:03 |
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| jhfeng | o/ | 20:05 |
| redrobot | lots of barbicaneers here | 20:06 |
| redrobot | let | 20:06 |
| redrobot | 's get started | 20:06 |
| redrobot | #topic Liberty RC1 | 20:06 |
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| redrobot | in case you missed it, RC1 was released over the weekend | 20:06 |
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| redrobot | #link https://launchpad.net/barbican/liberty/liberty-rc1 | 20:07 |
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| redrobot | Looks like we'll be needing an RC2 to address this bug | 20:07 |
| redrobot | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/barbican/+bug/1499876 | 20:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1499876 in Barbican "Attempt to delete project preferred CA should return 409" [Critical,Triaged] | 20:07 |
| woodster_ | Already planning rc2, or will that do it? :) | 20:07 |
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| redrobot | woodster_ read your mind ;0 | 20:07 |
| dave-mccowan | woodster_ is your db-manage patch a RC2 candidate? | 20:08 |
| woodster_ | dave-mccowan: do you mean that latest one? | 20:08 |
| dave-mccowan | y | 20:08 |
| woodster_ | probably not worth it by itself...it affects CI/CD processes that utilize it though | 20:09 |
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| alee | o/ | 20:09 |
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| redrobot | woodster_ what's the bug #? | 20:12 |
| woodster_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/barbican/+bug/1500448 | 20:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1500448 in Barbican "db_manage.py script doesn't return error code" [High,New] - Assigned to John Wood (john-wood-w) | 20:12 |
| redrobot | woodster_ thanks | 20:13 |
| redrobot | I can add that to RC2 since we'll be having to spin one anyway | 20:13 |
| redrobot | any other questions/comments about RC1 or RC2 ? | 20:14 |
| woodster_ | redrobot: what else is going into rc2? | 20:14 |
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| redrobot | woodster_ so far only the two bugs we just talked about | 20:14 |
| redrobot | woodster_ and possibly alee's support for sub-cas in DogTag | 20:15 |
| woodster_ | redrobot: oh got it, sorry | 20:15 |
| alee | redrobot, and dogtag plugin suport | 20:15 |
| alee | :) | 20:15 |
| alee | redrobot, yes -- almost done with that. just getting the functional tests running | 20:15 |
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| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:16 |
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| redrobot | #topic Testing Alembic migrations at the gate | 20:16 |
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| redrobot | woodster_ this is your topic | 20:17 |
| woodster_ | redrobot: thanks. This is regarding the use of the alembic migration script to populate teh database from scratch | 20:17 |
| woodster_ | ...vs just using SQLAlchemy to populate the database as is done now in the gate job | 20:17 |
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| silos | woodster_.: so would this use the db_manage script then? | 20:17 |
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| woodster_ | silos: that's correct | 20:18 |
| redrobot | silos so the issue is that alembic never gets tested at the gate | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | and this is the second cycle where we scramble during RC week to get migrations working | 20:18 |
| redrobot | I think that adding a Grenade job would help this to some extent | 20:18 |
| rellerreller | redrobot what else would be needed? | 20:19 |
| redrobot | rellerreller I'm not 100% on Grenade jobs, but I think they only test N-1-> HEAD schema | 20:19 |
| redrobot | rellerreller so they wouldn't cover the brand-new-db -> HEAD migration | 20:19 |
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| rellerreller | redrobot would SQLAlchemy cover the latter use case? | 20:20 |
| redrobot | rellerreller no... the problem is that SQLAlchemy bypasses Alembic at the gate right now | 20:20 |
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| redrobot | it is possible now, to add alembic migrations that don't match up to the actual models in sqlalchemy | 20:21 |
| rellerreller | so if I use SQLAlchemy to populate the db and Alembic, what is the delta for new-db use case? | 20:21 |
| woodster_ | For most ci/cd processes, the db-manage script would be used to keep an existing database up to date. It would be better for this to be run using a privileged user as well, separate from the user the barbican api uses. It would just make sense to use the db-manage script for the time-zero database case as well. | 20:21 |
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| redrobot | rellerreller alembic was flat out failing, but woodster_ submitted a few patches to get it up to date | 20:22 |
| woodster_ | rellerreller: the new db case starts with the juno script that populates the basic tables | 20:22 |
| woodster_ | the gate would at least test the viability of the scripts for MySQL. Eventually a gate for postgreSQL would be good to have. | 20:23 |
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| rellerreller | woodster_ why does the new db case start with the juno script? | 20:23 |
| redrobot | rellerreller because juno is still supported by our team | 20:24 |
| woodster_ | rellerreller: that is the first script to run in the sequence | 20:24 |
| rellerreller | I'm not opposed to any of this. I'm asking for clarification. I'm not certain of how all of this works, just vaguely | 20:24 |
| rellerreller | I only know Hibernate :( | 20:24 |
| redrobot | rellerreller once Liberty final is released, we will probably want to squash the migration such that Kilo is the new base | 20:24 |
| hockeynut | redrobot could also look into javelin - its for general resource validation after install/upgrade, but not sure if it handles DB or not | 20:24 |
| rellerreller | redrobot so the install for a fresh, new machine is run the kilo script to setup db and then migrate to liberty? | 20:25 |
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| dave-mccowan | it's now possible to make changes to the models without matching alembic migrations. is that a "feature" to speed development or is that a problem to be fixed? | 20:25 |
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| woodster_ | as mentioned, an issue that could creep in is that the latest SQLAlchemy models and the migration scripts diverge. My thinking is that running the full suite of functional tests against the final database is a good check on that though. We might also add explicit schema comparison to the gate as well eventually. | 20:25 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan reviewers are expected to check the validity of alembic migrations when a model change is introduced. | 20:26 |
| woodster_ | yeah, unfortunately folks can hand code the alembic scripts | 20:26 |
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| woodster_ | and ugly things like the dreaded 'op.execute()' call get pulled in | 20:26 |
| rellerreller | woodster_ :( I doubt that is happening | 20:26 |
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| redrobot | woodster_ I think that devs are expected to edit the alembic files. | 20:27 |
| woodster_ | rellerreller: take a look at the CR I put in recently :) | 20:27 |
| rellerreller | I am in favor of a migration gate check. I think any change that changes a model should fail unless model and alembic scripts are good. | 20:27 |
| woodster_ | redrobot: The auto generation process isn't perfect, that's true | 20:27 |
| rellerreller | I do not like it when patches are submitted that change model and do not have migration. | 20:27 |
| redrobot | So, the proposed change is to: 1. Stop generating the current schema by looking at the models. 2. Use alembic to generate the schema and then run the functional tests. | 20:28 |
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| woodster_ | well, my basic proposal is to not auto popualte the db from barbican as done now in the gate, but to rather disable that and add a db-migration step | 20:28 |
| woodster_ | redrobot: ha, yep! | 20:28 |
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| redrobot | anyone opposed to that gate change? | 20:29 |
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| woodster_ | eventually we'll add a grenade job as well | 20:29 |
| redrobot | my only concern is that we need to be able to do the alembic migration in other gate jobs that are enabling Barbican in their gate | 20:30 |
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| rellerreller | Is there a way that Alembic could work but creating from SQLAlchemy could fail? | 20:30 |
| rellerreller | My gut says no, but I wanted to float the question. | 20:30 |
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| woodster_ | rellerreller: well, the app uses SQLAlchemy directly, so I wouldn't expect that is possible | 20:30 |
| rellerreller | I figure the functional tests would catch any differences. | 20:30 |
| redrobot | rellerreller possibly, but that should be caught by a failing functional test | 20:31 |
| rellerreller | woodster_ we are on the same page :) | 20:31 |
| woodster_ | rellerreller: that is my thinking as well...ha, yes! | 20:31 |
| rellerreller | haha | 20:31 |
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| dave-mccowan | do we want to add a liberty_release.py script to RC2? | 20:31 |
| woodster_ | redrobot: what other gate jobs? Such as the dogtag one? | 20:31 |
| hockeynut | if there's a scenario that needs a test then by all means lets get them in | 20:31 |
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| redrobot | #agreed we're all in violent agreement. :) | 20:31 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan I don't think so | 20:32 |
| woodster_ | redrobot: we could just start with the basic devstack gate | 20:33 |
| dave-mccowan | there's a kilo_release.py now. when would we add liberty_release.py? | 20:33 |
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| woodster_ | dave-mccowan: is this the all-tables-for-liberty module? If so then I think you start two releases back, so N would have the liberty one? | 20:34 |
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| dave-mccowan | juno_initial.py, kilo_release.py, <20 files for liberty>.py it would seem nice to me if we squashed the 20 files for liberty into one before the release. | 20:36 |
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| redrobot | I wonder if there is some sort of guideline for this? surely we're not the only ones using alembic | 20:38 |
| dave-mccowan | (or maybe misunderstanding why we have *_release.py files) | 20:38 |
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| redrobot | dave-mccowan my impression is that xxxx_release.py is only created when that release becomes the new baseline | 20:38 |
| redrobot | and liberty won't be a baseline until the N release | 20:38 |
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| woodster_ | redrobot: +1, that's my impression as well | 20:38 |
| dave-mccowan | why do we have kilo_release.py? | 20:39 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan not entirely sure... I think it was pushed last week | 20:39 |
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| woodster_ | we can make a liberty_release.py after the final liberty release | 20:39 |
| woodster_ | I think each release can get its own version tagging module | 20:40 |
| redrobot | woodster_ +1 that was my thinking also | 20:40 |
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| woodster_ | rellerreller: take care! | 20:40 |
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| woodster_ | I think the difference is the very first release is the full db load...the other release pys are just tagging ones | 20:41 |
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| redrobot | woodster_ yeah... a no-op migration... | 20:43 |
| woodster_ | yep, so we'd need to convert the kilo no op to a real time-zero db load during the M release cycle, and drop the juno release | 20:44 |
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| dave-mccowan | there must be something that we should have done for liberty during the liberty cycle. | 20:45 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan kilo is actually in the middle of all the xxxxx.py migrations. the tree does not go from juno->kilo->xxxx, but rather juno->xxxxx->kilo->xxxxx | 20:45 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan I don't believe we need to push that before | 20:46 |
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| redrobot | dave-mccowan it's really just a placeholder, so that you know where kilo ended | 20:46 |
| woodster_ | yeah, I think by the time you release liberty, you should have a time zero load two releases before (so Juno). Seems we are on track with that | 20:46 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan or in liberty case, once liberty final is out, it will be a placeholder to let us know where liberty ended. | 20:46 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan it's only used after n+2 releases when we need to squash all the migrations | 20:47 |
| woodster_ | yep, so for the next release cycle, that kilo_release.py will be come the initial version file, and so be converted from a no-op to a time zero db load. | 20:48 |
| redrobot | woodster_ +1 ... and all the migrations between juno and kilo get squashed into that new kilo_release.py | 20:48 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan we definitely need a liberty_release.py, but it does not actually need to be part of liberty | 20:49 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan just needs to be there before we push the first Mitaka migration | 20:49 |
| woodster_ | I believe we could have time zero loads for each release...Alembic supports multiple branches. Not sure how helpful that is though | 20:49 |
| woodster_ | redrobot: +1 | 20:49 |
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| redrobot | only a few more minutes left | 20:52 |
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| jaosorior | Any workflows for this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198732/ would be nice to finally get it merged :D | 20:53 |
| woodster_ | ...and arunkant 's ACL CRs too | 20:53 |
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| hockeynut | I think we only require a single +2 now, so a second +2 should be workflow? | 20:54 |
| arunkant | thanks _woodster, yes it has been pending for a while | 20:54 |
| redrobot | hockeynut 2nd reviewer should give both a +2 and a +Workflow | 20:54 |
| hockeynut | arunkant see my comments - some easy ones. | 20:54 |
| hockeynut | thx redrobot - gotcha | 20:54 |
| jaosorior | arunkant: I've +2ed your first two patches but I haven't gotten around reviewing the functional tests | 20:54 |
| redrobot | hockeynut unless the 2nd reviewer doesn't want to workflow just yet, so they could give a +2 only. | 20:54 |
| woodster_ | jaosorior: I'll take a look...I had +2ed in the past | 20:55 |
| hockeynut | makes sense redrobot | 20:55 |
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| arunkant | hockeynut : will look into your comments | 20:56 |
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| hockeynut | thx! | 20:56 |
| jaosorior | woodster_: thanks | 20:56 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan any last questions re: migrations? | 20:56 |
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| dave-mccowan | redrobot no, i'm good. | 20:57 |
| redrobot | awesome | 20:57 |
| redrobot | I think that's all we have time for today | 20:57 |
| redrobot | thanks everyone for coming! | 20:57 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 28 20:57:34 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:57 |
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