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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 24 15:01:27 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:01 | |
| cknight | Hi | 15:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:01 |
| toabctl | hi | 15:01 |
| xyang1 | Hi | 15:01 |
| zhongjun | hi | 15:01 |
| rraja | hi | 15:01 |
| vponomaryov | hello | 15:01 |
| csaba | hi | 15:01 |
| xyang1 | Who is OpenStack? | 15:01 |
| u_glide1 | hi | 15:01 |
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| vponomaryov | xyang1: ище | 15:02 |
| vponomaryov | xyang1: bot | 15:02 |
| xyang1 | :) | 15:02 |
| kaisers | hi | 15:02 |
| bswartz | markstur: you able to join? | 15:02 |
| dustins | \o | 15:02 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:02 |
| dustins | xyang1: I think it's a bot that logs the channel? | 15:02 |
| bswartz | we've got a lot to cover today | 15:02 |
| bswartz | I'll try to go fast | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | #topic 3rd-party CI status | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "3rd-party CI status (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:03 | |
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| bswartz | as of this week, quobyte and glusterfs started passing | 15:03 |
| lpabon | sweet | 15:03 |
| toabctl | great | 15:03 |
| bswartz | and all of the other ones have been passing more or less | 15:03 |
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| kaisers | (Thanks to vponomaryov for Quobyte !!!!) | 15:03 |
| dustins | woo | 15:03 |
| bswartz | so I don't think we need to discuss removal of any more drivers | 15:04 |
| bswartz | yes special thanks to vponomaryov for helping debug CI issues | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: GPFS come back? | 15:04 |
| bswartz | last I heard was the guarangt was close to getting GPFS working | 15:04 |
| bswartz | but it's not reporting yet | 15:04 |
| bswartz | so we will see | 15:04 |
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| rraja | thanks vponomaryov and cknight for your help. | 15:05 |
| tbarron | hhi | 15:05 |
| toabctl | what about HDS SOP ? is there any progress so the driver could be readded? | 15:05 |
| bswartz | jasonsb acknowledged that HDS was not working on CI for that driver | 15:05 |
| toabctl | ok | 15:06 |
| cFouts | hi | 15:06 |
| bswartz | if HDS changes their mind I'll be happy to bring that driver back -- I think they decided that manila support was not a priority for them | 15:06 |
| bswartz | so THANKS to all the vendors that worked on CI this release, I know it was a lot of work for some | 15:07 |
| bswartz | In Mitaka, we will be looking at increasing the scope of what's tested by CI, and starting to define minimum requirements | 15:07 |
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| vponomaryov | early, late Mitaka? | 15:07 |
| bswartz | I think it's a huge achievement just to get the systems all up and running in a single release though -- cinder took longer | 15:07 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: let's talk about it in coming weeks | 15:08 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: can that be decided at the summit | 15:08 |
| bswartz | xyang1: yeah it would be a good disucssion topic for the summit | 15:08 |
| bswartz | let's move on though | 15:08 |
| bswartz | #topic Liberty RC status | 15:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Liberty RC status (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:08 | |
| bswartz | Liberty RC1 was released on Tuesday! | 15:08 |
| bswartz | thanks to all the reviewers for helping with that, and thanks for getting the bugs squashed | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | Everyone should be testing RC1 aggressively to see if there are any remaining bugs | 15:09 |
| bswartz | I know a few have been found already | 15:09 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: we already have some for backporting | 15:09 |
| bswartz | if you find a bug that you think need to be fixed in Liberty, please TAG your bug in LP with "liberty-rc-potential" | 15:10 |
| bswartz | and make sure to get the fix for the bug merged into master | 15:10 |
| bswartz | we will look at all the tagged bugs with merged fixes later this week and decide if there will be an RC2 and if so, what should go in it | 15:10 |
| xyang1 | Since mitaka is open, Does that mean we can start to merge new features now, or still only bug fix can be merged | 15:11 |
| vponomaryov | xyang1: mitaka is open | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | xyang1: new feature can merge now, but I would ask core reviewers to avoid merging anything that might make backports to liberty difficult, until after the Oct 15 release | 15:11 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: ok | 15:11 |
| bswartz | so big giant new features should wait | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | priority right now is liberty quality | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | #topic Support for QoS in Manila | 15:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Support for QoS in Manila (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:12 | |
| bswartz | zhongjun2: you're up | 15:12 |
| zhongjun | ok | 15:12 |
| zhongjun | I draft the QoS design in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/QoS. | 15:12 |
| bswartz | is zhongjun2 and zhongjun different people? | 15:13 |
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| zhongjun | one people | 15:13 |
| kaisers | perhaps same person but different clients? | 15:13 |
| bswartz | zhongjun: hello! | 15:13 |
| zhongjun | yes | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | that spec looks pretty nice and detailed | 15:13 |
| cknight | zhongjun: Is your intention to remain consistent with the Cinder QoS implementation? | 15:14 |
| zhongjun | The goal is to add an interface so that Manila admins can use to set share QoS specification | 15:14 |
| zhongjun | (IOPS, bandwidth, Latency, priority and other vendor specified attributes), | 15:14 |
| zhongjun | which can be enforced in nova or on Manila back-end or both; | 15:14 |
| bswartz | zhongjun: do you plan to have working code before the design summit, or did you want to discuss this at the design summit before doing the implementation? | 15:14 |
| zhongjun | I am not sure it is ok about this QoS design. | 15:14 |
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| bswartz | zhongjun: enforcement of QoS policies by nova won't work | 15:15 |
| bswartz | zhongjun: shares don't go through the hypervisor, they're access directly by guests | 15:15 |
| bswartz | accessed | 15:15 |
| bswartz | however QoS enforcement on the backends is a valuable feature | 15:15 |
| zhongjun | partial consistency. | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | zhongjun: anything you want decided today? or are you just raising awareness of this feature? | 15:16 |
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| cknight | zhongjun: Your spec mentions modifying API extensions. We are planning to move all extensions into core during Mitaka, so this would need to be core API work. | 15:17 |
| bswartz | cknight: +! | 15:17 |
| bswartz | +1 | 15:18 |
| zhongjun | Yes, I want to discuss this at the design summit before doing the implementation | 15:18 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:18 |
| cknight | zhongjun: And for those of us familiar with Cinder QoS, it would help if you spelled out any differences, please. | 15:18 |
| bswartz | well I think it's a good idea, we'll cover design summit later in the agenda | 15:18 |
| bswartz | #topic Reminder for backend driver maintainers to update feature support table | 15:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reminder for backend driver maintainers to update feature support table (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:19 | |
| bswartz | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/manila/devref/share_back_ends_feature_support_mapping.html | 15:19 |
| bswartz | toabctl: anything you wanted to say about this? | 15:19 |
| toabctl | I added it. there are still a lot of questionmarks in the tables and it's a friendly reminder to the driver maintainers to fill the table | 15:19 |
| xyang1 | Something came up during review on this | 15:20 |
| toabctl | I think the table is very useful if we can fill it with the missing infos. nothing more to say I think | 15:20 |
| bswartz | toabctl: we may need to start pinging driver maintainers individually | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | xyang1: you mean "planned" thing? | 15:20 |
| bswartz | but hopefully this reminder will get everyone to go push their updates | 15:20 |
| xyang1 | It has M for future planning, cknight pointed out it is confusing | 15:20 |
| xyang1 | Yes | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | oh yeah I see that | 15:21 |
| toabctl | yes. we should only add things that *are* implemented | 15:21 |
| zhongjun | I added it. | 15:21 |
| bswartz | I agree we shouldn't reflect "planned" features in this table | 15:21 |
| cknight | xyang1: My concern was that stuff happens, so people should be cautious about promising things before they land. | 15:21 |
| xyang1 | cknight: agree | 15:21 |
| bswartz | #agreed the supported feature table should only include currently supported features, not future | 15:21 |
| xyang1 | If we really want to add M, we should say "planned for M" | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | xyang1: no, just leave it out, and change i when it's merged | 15:22 |
| cknight | bswartz: OK, I can tweak the table description to remove the future language. | 15:22 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: sure | 15:22 |
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| cknight | bswartz: I can push that up immediately. | 15:22 |
| bswartz | it doesn't offer much value to merge a change that says "we plan to do this" -- vendors can announce their plans by posting blueprint on LP and such | 15:22 |
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| kaisers | i have a change in review on that, will remove the planned markers, then. | 15:23 |
| bswartz | by next week if there are still ??? in any rows I'll ping the maintainers of the drivers | 15:23 |
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| bswartz | let's move on | 15:24 |
| bswartz | #topic Regression when using NetApp - license issue with netapp_lib | 15:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Regression when using NetApp - license issue with netapp_lib (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:24 | |
| bswartz | toabctl: this is you again | 15:24 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: isilon is working on it too | 15:24 |
| bswartz | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1499334 | 15:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1499334 in Manila "Regression: Proprietary code needed to use NetApp with Cinder and Manila" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Thomas Bechtold (toabctl) | 15:24 |
| toabctl | also mine. so I tried to use netapp this morning and recognized that a proprietary lib is now needed | 15:24 |
| toabctl | that's a regression for distributions and depoyers compared to the Kilo status | 15:24 |
| bswartz | to be clear, what's needed is an open source lib from pypi with a proprietary license | 15:25 |
| toabctl | the thing is that there is already working code released under the Apache-2.0 license | 15:25 |
| toabctl | so I don't see any need to require that lib | 15:25 |
| bswartz | I've informed the appropriate people at netapp about the bug | 15:26 |
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| u_glide1 | bswartz: Is it possible to change lib license? | 15:26 |
| bswartz | u_glide1: I don't have an answer for that | 15:26 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: i thought pypi requires apache license? | 15:26 |
| toabctl | I know that other vendors are doing the same but in this case we already have the apache-2.0 licensed code. that's why i'm raising the issue | 15:26 |
| cknight | xyang1: pypi accepts any license | 15:27 |
| bswartz | xyang1: pypi lets you specify the license -- there are tons of different licenses on that site | 15:27 |
| xyang1 | cknight: bswartz ok | 15:27 |
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| cknight | toabctl: We understand your concern, and we've raised it again with the people that made us do it. In the meantime, we'd appreciate the core team not merging the revert patch. | 15:28 |
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| vponomaryov | cknight: how soon answer is expected? | 15:28 |
| bswartz | what toabctl says is true, but as a NetApp employee I'm recusing myself from any decisions regarding that bug to avoid a conflict of interest | 15:28 |
| toabctl | cknight: hm. so my proposal would be to revert it. it's an open source project. but you can add a patch to check if the lib is there and if it is, use it. | 15:29 |
| cknight | toabctl: How would that help? We do check for the library. | 15:29 |
| toabctl | cknight: I could use a NetApp without downloading some extra lib | 15:29 |
| toabctl | cknight: that simplifies a lot for distributors . and I guess also for deployers | 15:30 |
| cknight | toabctl: Understood completely. We're trying to get some resolution from the legal team. (Cue the lawyer jokes.) | 15:31 |
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| toabctl | cknight: I understand that it's less work if you use a lib for the stuff needed in cinder and manila. | 15:31 |
| bswartz | anyone have a different opinion to offer? | 15:31 |
| bswartz | I'm not sure we can reach any decision on this topic | 15:31 |
| toabctl | bswartz: well. if we don't have a -1 and 2 +2 we have one... | 15:32 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: I agree that we have regression and we can not revert back, but implement possibility to chose what to use | 15:32 |
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| toabctl | an without speaking with my SUSE hat, I think this is open soucre and we should try to avoid such changes. | 15:32 |
| xyang1 | Not sure if I follow this completely, but you may be able to make a small change in your driver to get around it | 15:32 |
| bswartz | toabctl: I think netapp's opionon on the subject is clear -- they pushed the patch that introduced the dependency | 15:33 |
| xyang1 | I can find some link and send to cknight to see if it helps | 15:33 |
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| kaisers | Do linux distributors have a general issue with this that prevents distribution in this setup? I'm not too familiar with how a proprietary license in that lib affects that overall process. | 15:34 |
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| bswartz | hopefully we'll get an official response from netapp soon, but we can let the discussion continue in the gerrit change | 15:35 |
| toabctl | bswartz: I wonder if it would help if I would create a netapp_lib_foobar with the code from manila and propose that to use for cinder and manila? would you guys then work on that? or would you still try to push the proprietary thingy? | 15:35 |
| bswartz | toabctl: again I have no answer for that -- it's not so much a technical problem as a legal one and that's not my area | 15:35 |
| toabctl | ok. then I hope to get enough +2 but I wouldn't merge it yet. but a decision before the final release would be good imho | 15:36 |
| toabctl | bswartz: ok. | 15:36 |
| bswartz | let's move on | 15:36 |
| kaisers | ok, let's continue that in the change | 15:36 |
| bswartz | #topic Mitaka Design Summit | 15:36 |
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| bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-mitaka-summit-topics | 15:36 |
| bswartz | so it's time to collect proposals for topics | 15:36 |
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| kaisers | toabctl: Perhaps add a bit more detail on what the issue is in distribution to that change desc/comments | 15:36 |
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| bswartz | I created an empty etherpad today so you can start to propose things | 15:37 |
| bswartz | I have my own list that I'll add when I have some time | 15:37 |
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| bswartz | I'm actually not sure what the deadline is to decide on topics | 15:37 |
| bswartz | #action bswartz find out the deadline for summit session topics | 15:37 |
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| bswartz | hopefully many of you have already thought of things you'd like to propose | 15:38 |
| bswartz | let's get them written down so we can start to discuss them in coming weeks | 15:38 |
| bswartz | any questions on Mitaka design summit? | 15:38 |
| vponomaryov | alos, please, sign yourself writing topic | 15:38 |
| bswartz | oh yeah | 15:39 |
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| bswartz | add IRC nicks to topics so we know who proposed what | 15:39 |
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| bswartz | okay | 15:40 |
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| bswartz | #topic Vendor driver docs | 15:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Vendor driver docs (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:40 | |
| bswartz | so I've been asked a few times in the last week, what about docs in the manila tree and the stable/liberty branch | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | the fact that we have some user-facing docs in our manila tree is an accident of history and not what we prefer going forward | 15:41 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: you propose to remove them? | 15:42 |
| bswartz | vendors are welcome to merge docs changes into the existing docs for Mitaka, but we're in the process of moving all of our user-facing docs to the correct places on docs.openstack.org | 15:42 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: over the next month or so, yes | 15:42 |
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| bswartz | right now some of the docs being added to openstack-manuals are not merged yet, so it's hard for vendors to know where to make changes | 15:43 |
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| bswartz | until the upstream docs are sorted out, it's find to keep merging things to the manila docs directory | 15:43 |
| bswartz | the main point I wanted to make is that we don't backport docs to liberty -- the theory is that users should read the latest docs | 15:43 |
| bswartz | and after we finish cleaning up the docs and moving everything, the only docs that should live in-tree are the developer docs | 15:44 |
| bswartz | I hope that clears up some confusion | 15:45 |
| cknight | bswartz: Here's the tweak to the driver doc that removes the 'future' language: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227385/ | 15:45 |
| bswartz | and just a reminder, we've made a ton of progress on this: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-liberty-documentation-sprint | 15:45 |
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| bswartz | some docs changes are merged and some are in review | 15:46 |
| bswartz | cknight: thx | 15:46 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:47 | |
| bswartz | anyone have anything else for today? | 15:47 |
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| bswartz | wow, we might get done early | 15:47 |
| bswartz | okay thanks everyone | 15:48 |
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| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:48 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 24 15:48:34 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-09-24-15.01.html | 15:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-09-24-15.01.txt | 15:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-09-24-15.01.log.html | 15:48 |
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| aglarendil | hi | 16:01 |
| ashtokolov | hi | 16:01 |
| vkramskikh | hi | 16:01 |
| Tatyanka_Leontov | hi | 16:01 |
| aglarendil | is there anybody out there? | 16:01 |
| holser | hi /o | 16:01 |
| jaranovich | hi | 16:01 |
| mihgen | hi | 16:01 |
| maximov | hi everyone! | 16:01 |
| sbog | Hi guys :) | 16:01 |
| rmoe | hi | 16:01 |
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| mwhahaha | should probably start the meeting? | 16:01 |
| maximov | yes please :) | 16:01 |
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| kozhukalov_ | hi | 16:01 |
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| mihgen | where is xarses .. ? | 16:01 |
| mattymo_ | aloha | 16:01 |
| aglarendil | kartoha | 16:02 |
| xarses | #startmeeting fuel | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 24 16:02:06 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xarses. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:02 |
| kozhukalov_ | hi | 16:02 |
| angdraug | \o | 16:02 |
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| mwhahaha | there we go | 16:02 |
| xarses | #chair xarses | 16:02 |
| xenolog13 | \~/ | 16:02 |
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| openstack | Current chairs: xarses | 16:02 |
| xarses | who's here? | 16:02 |
| maximov | hi | 16:02 |
| xarses | Todays Agenda: | 16:02 |
| xarses | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:02 |
| ashtokolov | o/ | 16:02 |
| mihgen | xarses: lots of people said hi, you are late ) | 16:03 |
| xarses | ok, lets get going then =) | 16:03 |
| xarses | #topic librarian-puppet-simple integrations round 2 (mwhahaha) | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "librarian-puppet-simple integrations round 2 (mwhahaha) (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:03 | |
| mwhahaha | We've been making some progress towards our switch to librarian. I sent a note earlier this month with a list of simple modules that were prepared for cutover. | 16:03 |
| mwhahaha | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/074603.html | 16:03 |
| mwhahaha | We have merged these as this week so we have continued to make progress towards getting the upstream modules managed via librarian. | 16:03 |
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| mwhahaha | We are also working on getting the upstream openstack modules converted as well. You can follow along with this the bp/fuel-puppet-librarian topic. | 16:03 |
| mwhahaha | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/fuel-library+branch:master+topic:bp/fuel-puppet-librarian,n,z | 16:03 |
| mwhahaha | Additionally, I have started the work to switch to the upstream rsyslog module and added tests to our openstack module so we have coverage where the rsyslog module is actually configured. | 16:03 |
| mwhahaha | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/223395/ | 16:03 |
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| mwhahaha | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222758/ | 16:03 |
| mwhahaha | It would be good to get additional eyes on the rsyslog changes to ensure we aren't breaking any UI components as it relates to logging. | 16:03 |
| mwhahaha | Along with the rsyslog module, we still have 4 other modified upstream modules that we need to address. puppetlabs-corosync, puppetlabs-haproxy, puppetlabs-mysql and puppetlabs-rabbitmq. | 16:04 |
| mwhahaha | #link https://docs.google.com/a/mirantis.com/spreadsheets/d/1P8xJbYyHXnb0W7fVme3jkOUYj4OTCfbplZEYLX7SC0E/edit?usp=sharing | 16:04 |
| mwhahaha | Thanks, also remember to use librarian-puppet-simple and not librarian-puppet when managing modules. | 16:04 |
| * mattymo_ 's brain explodes | 16:04 | |
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| holser | mwhahaha: puppet-corosync is very unstable | 16:04 |
| * aglarendil feeling that he is a slowpoke | 16:05 | |
| xarses | mwhahaha: there was a bug that I saw for the newer version of rsyslod(package) that needs new options, is that covered already in the new module? | 16:05 |
| mwhahaha | xarses: should be | 16:05 |
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| kozhukalov_ | btw, there is adjacent bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1484162 which in a sense contradicts to the librarian based approach, doesn't it? | 16:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1484162 in Fuel for OpenStack "package upstream puppet modules as build dependencies" [High,Triaged] - Assigned to MOS Puppet Team (mos-puppet) | 16:05 |
| mwhahaha | holser: that's fine, we can keep the one we have or deal with something else. we just need to figure out what we want to do and communicate it | 16:05 |
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| mihgen | hey guys, not sure how librarian related it is. But I've heard that we faced some issue in neutron config just again, as we synced upstream modules in, and those override our settings for scale | 16:05 |
| holser | dilyin: is making a new version by community request | 16:05 |
| mwhahaha | kozhukalov_: they should go hand in hand | 16:06 |
| aglarendil | mwhahaha: actually corosync is not the best module to sync downstream. we have our own pacemaker module which would be preferrable to publish. | 16:06 |
| holser | mwhahaha: feel free to talk to him | 16:06 |
| mwhahaha | aglarendil: thats fine, but lets communicate it plz. mailing list when making these decisions | 16:06 |
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| xarses | holser: can you share mail about that? | 16:06 |
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| holser | xarses: about what? | 16:07 |
| mwhahaha | switching away from puppetlabs-corosync, writing out own module, etc | 16:07 |
| xarses | dilyin: is making a new module | 16:07 |
| mwhahaha | timelines, who's workign on int | 16:07 |
| holser | it’s on review ... | 16:07 |
| mwhahaha | yes but what's the back story? | 16:07 |
| mwhahaha | that's not part of the review | 16:07 |
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| holser | well, let’s talk offline | 16:07 |
| holser | it’s very long story | 16:07 |
| aglarendil | let's move it to ML | 16:07 |
| mwhahaha | sure | 16:08 |
| xarses | yes, that's what I wanted to do =) | 16:08 |
| xarses | moving on then | 16:08 |
| mwhahaha | anyway those 4 modules we just need to figure out what we want to do | 16:08 |
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| mihgen | guys back to my question. How can we prevent this happening over and over? | 16:08 |
| xarses | or not | 16:08 |
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| xarses | mihgen: we need to stop using the intermidate composition layer | 16:09 |
| aglarendil | what is intermidiate composition layer? | 16:09 |
| xarses | i think the setts that you noted where lost where because they are not in the task | 16:09 |
| mihgen | xarses: I'm not sure it's about that | 16:09 |
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| holser | we need integration tests :) | 16:09 |
| mihgen | I think it's about templates of configs even modified, and we don't notice that in large changesets | 16:09 |
| holser | that will assure that all configs don’t have regression after applying new manifest | 16:09 |
| mattymo_ | mihgen, do you know which patches we lost for scale? | 16:09 |
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| xarses | aglarendil: our openstack module is a redundant composition layer to the task's implmentation | 16:10 |
| aglarendil | mihgen: I think this is about the lack of noop tests, is not it | 16:10 |
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| aglarendil | xarses: do not rely on it - just check the final result | 16:10 |
| mihgen | I can request scale lab to send me a bug link, I know it's neutron-related | 16:10 |
| aglarendil | use noop and beaker | 16:10 |
| mihgen | before we have all great tests, etc., we need a careful process of syncing.... | 16:11 |
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| mihgen | I remember I was bugging about it for a few times | 16:11 |
| mihgen | and it still an issue | 16:11 |
| mwhahaha | right so the mos-puppet team has been working on those modules and porting our forks | 16:11 |
| mwhahaha | https://review.fuel-infra.org/#/q/project:puppet-modules/puppet-neutron | 16:11 |
| xarses | mike, we aren't supposed to be changing the underlying manifests | 16:11 |
| mihgen | it's the problem that we finally find such issues too late in the cycle | 16:11 |
| xarses | which is why we keep, and will keep losing changes | 16:11 |
| aglarendil | mihgen: we need a bug first | 16:11 |
| aglarendil | to discuss whether it happened or not | 16:11 |
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| mihgen | aglarendil: I'll find and follow up | 16:12 |
| aglarendil | I do not see any confirmation on the issue right now | 16:12 |
| mihgen | xarses: pls put an action item on me | 16:12 |
| xarses | ok, moving on? | 16:12 |
| mihgen | xarses: yes, let's push these changes upstream then, but now simply lose our scale tunings | 16:12 |
| xarses | #action mihgen to find bug about missing neutron options found by scale | 16:12 |
| xarses | #topic elections and team structure https://review.openstack.org/225376 (angdraug) | 16:13 |
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| angdraug | the Fuel Elections 2015 announcement is out: | 16:13 |
| angdraug | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/074878.html | 16:13 |
| angdraug | I've also proposed a formal policy document to describe Fuel team structure: | 16:13 |
| angdraug | #link https://review.openstack.org/225376 | 16:13 |
| angdraug | based on mihgen's proposal: | 16:13 |
| angdraug | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-August/072406.html | 16:13 |
| angdraug | lets discuss the remaining open questions now and get the policy proposal merged | 16:13 |
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| angdraug | the most recent questions from aglarendil: | 16:13 |
| angdraug | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/075329.html | 16:13 |
| angdraug | answer to 1: see Governance Process section of the policy | 16:14 |
| angdraug | fuel-library is, well, fuel-library | 16:14 |
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| angdraug | and fuel-python is in fuel-web | 16:14 |
| angdraug | that defines your electorate | 16:14 |
| aglarendil | okay, what about fuel-astute ? | 16:14 |
| aglarendil | fuel-agent? | 16:14 |
| aglarendil | fuel-nailgun-agent? | 16:14 |
| angdraug | "In other repositories, technical decisions are made by consensus of core | 16:14 |
| angdraug | reviewers, and disputes are resolved by Fuel PTL." | 16:14 |
| angdraug | it's all there | 16:15 |
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| angdraug | the answer to question 2 is also there: | 16:15 |
| angdraug | Fuel component leads are elected twice a year immediately after PTL elections, | 16:15 |
| angdraug | following the same process. Same person can't be PTL and component lead in the | 16:15 |
| angdraug | same cycle. | 16:15 |
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| holser | angdraug: the problem is we don’t know how many people have rights | 16:16 |
| aglarendil | okay, who is voting for fuel-python and who is voting for fuel-library? | 16:16 |
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| aglarendil | and again | 16:16 |
| aglarendil | Mike's letter says - CL is being elected by core reviewers | 16:16 |
| aglarendil | you say it is the same process | 16:16 |
| angdraug | holser: "have rights"? | 16:16 |
| aglarendil | the same electorate ? | 16:16 |
| holser | yes | 16:16 |
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| mattymo_ | angdraug, who participates in the vote, he means | 16:16 |
| aglarendil | as for PTL? | 16:16 |
| holser | Who is electorate for PTL | 16:16 |
| xarses | by? or from? | 16:17 |
| aglarendil | who is eligible to vote for PTL, who is eligible to vote for CL | 16:17 |
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| aglarendil | can we get exact list? | 16:17 |
| holser | mattymo_: | 16:17 |
| angdraug | aglarendil: this is exactly why I've pushed a proposal up for review, so that exact wording can be approved by fuel cores | 16:17 |
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| aglarendil | angdraug: we are running the election without knowing who can nominate and vote | 16:18 |
| angdraug | electorate for PTL is all committers to all fuel repos on stackforge since a year ago | 16:18 |
| holser | angdraug: I didn’t get you ... | 16:18 |
| aglarendil | okay, PTL is easier | 16:18 |
| aglarendil | who is voting for CL of Library? | 16:18 |
| angdraug | aglarendil: committers to fuel-library since a year ago are voting for CL of fuel-library | 16:19 |
| holser | How many commits should contributor do to have rights? | 16:19 |
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| angdraug | committers to fuel-web since a year ago are voting for CL of fuel-python | 16:19 |
| ogelbukh | just 1 | 16:19 |
| holser | 1, 5, 10, 100 | 16:19 |
| aglarendil | 1 merged, I guess | 16:19 |
| ogelbukh | yep | 16:19 |
| angdraug | 1 merged, yes | 16:19 |
| xarses | 1 merged | 16:20 |
| aglarendil | but, folks, let's just put it down in writing | 16:20 |
| aglarendil | let's not confuse people | 16:20 |
| angdraug | as I said on the ML, there's plenty of documentation in openstack wiki about all this | 16:20 |
| ogelbukh | I believe it is written somewhere for us :) | 16:20 |
| mattymo_ | A committer with 1 vote in fuel-docs 51 weeks ago has the same vote as a core reviewer to PTL, but a non-core with 400+ commits can't vote for CL | 16:20 |
| aglarendil | saying "the process is the same" is not the best option to describe things the first time | 16:20 |
| ogelbukh | angdraug: +1 | 16:20 |
| angdraug | there's even a script that generates the list of electorate | 16:20 |
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| angdraug | aglarendil: saying the process is the same and providing a link is better than cut-n-pasting the whole set of wiki pages into our own policy | 16:21 |
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| xarses | ok, so we have the electorate sorted. who can be in these positions? | 16:21 |
| ogelbukh | anyone? :) | 16:21 |
| xenolog13 | aglarendil, +1 | 16:21 |
| angdraug | xarses: anyone from electorate can self-nominate | 16:21 |
| holser | I guess core reviewers ... | 16:21 |
| ogelbukh | well, anyone can nominate himself | 16:21 |
| aglarendil | angdraug: it is always the best option to show en example for the first time. | 16:21 |
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| ogelbukh | yes, anyone eligible to vote can also apply for position | 16:22 |
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| angdraug | holser: aglarendil: xenolog13: did you read my ML post from yesterday? | 16:22 |
| xarses | ok, so then are there other outstanding issues? | 16:22 |
| angdraug | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/075311.html | 16:22 |
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| ogelbukh | I guess we need to compile a list of repos somewhere and record the decision about which component they belong to/vote for ? | 16:23 |
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| angdraug | ogelbukh: in the policy | 16:23 |
| xarses | ogelbukh: its in the policy | 16:23 |
| ogelbukh | ok | 16:23 |
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| angdraug | to reiterate: all commiters in past year can vote and can self-nominate | 16:23 |
| xarses | fuel-web, and fuel-library respectively, have their own lead, and ever one else has the project PTL | 16:24 |
| angdraug | for PTL: all stackforge/fuel-* repos | 16:24 |
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| mihgen | is it my client stuck or we are waiting angdraug to reply? | 16:24 |
| mihgen | My understanding is that it's easy, we just need to get all committers to fuel-library and they can vote for CL | 16:24 |
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| angdraug | for fuel-library CL: stackforge/fuel-library | 16:24 |
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| angdraug | for fuel-python CL: stackforge/fuel-web | 16:24 |
| ogelbukh | what about fuel-ui? | 16:24 |
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| ogelbukh | should it have CL of its own? | 16:24 |
| angdraug | ogelbukh: no | 16:24 |
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| xarses | ogelbukh: it uses PTL directly | 16:25 |
| ogelbukh | it's excluded from 'python' component, as far as I see | 16:25 |
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| ogelbukh | got it | 16:25 |
| angdraug | mihgen: test | 16:25 |
| mihgen | angdraug: thanks I had client stuck | 16:25 |
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| angdraug | any remaining questions about the policy or about the election process? | 16:26 |
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| ogelbukh | I'm reading through the policy and I don't see a list of repos to define the electorate | 16:26 |
| ogelbukh | sorry for being dumb | 16:26 |
| angdraug | ogelbukh: there is a list of repos for CLs | 16:27 |
| angdraug | for PTL, it's all repos | 16:27 |
| angdraug | we can enumerate them in the elections wiki page | 16:27 |
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| ogelbukh | angdraug: yep, I just suggest we do dit explicitly | 16:27 |
| angdraug | in the next elections 6 months later, the list is going to change | 16:27 |
| angdraug | ogelbukh: ok, I'll do that | 16:28 |
| ogelbukh | angdraug: thanks, that's awesome | 16:28 |
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| angdraug | in the wiki, not in the policy (don't want to change policy every time we add a new repo) | 16:28 |
| kozhukalov_ | fuel-octane certainly should be among those repos | 16:29 |
| angdraug | yes | 16:29 |
| angdraug | but not fuel-plugin-* | 16:29 |
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| ogelbukh | kozhukalov_: thanks :) | 16:29 |
| maximov | why ? people who expand our fuel should have a chance to influence PTL | 16:29 |
| ogelbukh | this is why I want it explicit, you see :) | 16:30 |
| angdraug | maximov: yeah good point | 16:30 |
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| xarses | ya, I was just thinking that | 16:30 |
| xarses | if they bothered to post the plugin on stackforge with us, they should get to vote | 16:30 |
| xarses | but not every random plugin | 16:30 |
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| angdraug | ok, stackforge/fuel-* should cover that | 16:31 |
| xarses | and stackforge/python-fuelclient | 16:31 |
| kozhukalov_ | fuel-plugin-* do those repos follow the same review flow as other fuel-* projects? | 16:31 |
| mihgen | xarses: time? | 16:32 |
| xarses | kozhukalov_: in that they use, gerrit, yes | 16:32 |
| kozhukalov_ | if no, then it is easy to implement the scheme when PTL will be far from expected | 16:32 |
| kozhukalov_ | xarses, ok, thanks | 16:32 |
| xarses | ya, we need to move on, lets discuss more in the ML | 16:32 |
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| xarses | #topic Fuel 8.0 schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Fuel/8.0_Release_Schedule (mihgen) | 16:33 |
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| mihgen | You can see that we are introducing 3 weeks long iterations | 16:33 |
| mihgen | Majors changes compared to previous releases will be no .1 release (no 7.1, go to 8.0 directly) | 16:33 |
| mihgen | and that we will be creating stable branch at the time of SCF | 16:33 |
| mihgen | accoring to agreement we've had here: | 16:33 |
| mihgen | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-August/073110.html | 16:33 |
| mihgen | any questions? | 16:33 |
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| xarses | what's going to happen if a bp slips the iteration but not hcf? | 16:34 |
| mihgen | it's assumed that team will work on bp until it's complete | 16:35 |
| mihgen | not taking another bp | 16:35 |
| kozhukalov_ | i like iterations much more than our previous dev process | 16:35 |
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| mihgen | you guys may question how many backports we will have after SCF | 16:35 |
| ogelbukh | I was under impression that we want to keep sync 1/2 year cadence with OpenStack releases | 16:36 |
| mihgen | so to mitigate that, let's watch bugfix team's progress closely | 16:36 |
| ogelbukh | but this schedule implies shorter cadence | 16:36 |
| kozhukalov_ | mihgen, yes, it is a bit frightening | 16:36 |
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| ogelbukh | is it going to stay, or we just want to shorten the delay | 16:36 |
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| mihgen | even though it will have to come with sacrifise to features | 16:36 |
| ogelbukh | and following cycles will be longer? | 16:36 |
| mihgen | ogelbukh: we want to shorten the time when master is closed from new features | 16:37 |
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| ogelbukh | mihgen: I see that | 16:37 |
| mihgen | and majority of the team should work continiously on features | 16:37 |
| ogelbukh | my question is about the whole length of the cycle | 16:37 |
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| angdraug | ogelbukh: the whole cycle is 6 month | 16:38 |
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| mihgen | goal here would be to align with openstack schedule in a long run | 16:38 |
| ogelbukh | ok, maybe I need to recalculate :) | 16:38 |
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| angdraug | the feature work for next cycle begins immediately after SCF of the current cycle | 16:38 |
| xarses | so the next cycle (after this first one) will get more time for features? | 16:39 |
| mihgen | important thing about bp implementation: if we discover critical bugs in immplemented funcitonality, instead of taking new bps in next iteration - let's fix bugs first | 16:39 |
| mihgen | it won't be bugfix team's responsibility | 16:39 |
| holser | what about QA tests? | 16:40 |
| mihgen | xarses: we will see. if we introduce less bugs with new features, we will have more time to work on features | 16:40 |
| angdraug | xarses: starting with 10.0, we'll have full 6 months from SCF to SCF for feature work | 16:40 |
| holser | they may slip fueture | 16:40 |
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| mihgen | holser: ideally they should be ready with tests at the end of iteration | 16:40 |
| angdraug | in 8.0 and 9.0, we'll have less than 6 months for feature work | 16:40 |
| mihgen | if they are not - let's solve this tactically | 16:40 |
| mihgen | guys I think we need to move on | 16:41 |
| mihgen | if there are questions on proposal, etc. - let's openstack-dev or #fuel-dev later .. | 16:41 |
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| xarses | mihgen: holser ideally we'd be ready with tests during the whole iteration, thinking about tests late, is well too late | 16:41 |
| xarses | yes lets move on | 16:41 |
| xarses | #topic MAINTAINERS: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225457/ (mihgen) | 16:41 |
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| mihgen | According to | 16:41 |
| mihgen | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-August/072406.html | 16:42 |
| mihgen | we are introducing maintainers in Fuel. Please check out my patch above as a first example. | 16:42 |
| mihgen | Let's review, merge it, and I'd encourage cores of repos to propose/merge MAINTAINERS files everywhere | 16:42 |
| mattymo_ | This is the same as CL, right? | 16:42 |
| mihgen | nope. Please read my email.. they are not | 16:42 |
| mihgen | you are maintainer of fuelmenu | 16:42 |
| mihgen | it means subject matter expert | 16:43 |
| mihgen | but you are not core | 16:43 |
| mattymo_ | all the responsibility without the superpowers | 16:43 |
| mihgen | so the idea is that people would ask maintainers who are not cores to review code first | 16:43 |
| mihgen | yes | 16:43 |
| mihgen | then maintainer can become a core reviewer | 16:43 |
| xarses | what happens if we contribute with multiple emails? | 16:43 |
| mihgen | xarses: why that matters? | 16:44 |
| xarses | then why would you need the email in the first place? | 16:44 |
| xarses | i figured it was needed for scripting to find changes or something | 16:44 |
| mihgen | for script to automatically add you | 16:44 |
| vkramskikh | so cores shouldn't be this file? | 16:44 |
| mihgen | to reviewers | 16:44 |
| vkramskikh | *in this file | 16:44 |
| mihgen | vkramskikh: ideally, no cores | 16:44 |
| mattymo_ | xarses, you should unify your emails on your gerrit account | 16:45 |
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| mihgen | but some areas we will have only core reviewer as a maintainer | 16:45 |
| xarses | mihgen: why not? | 16:45 |
| mihgen | it will actually show that core reviewer should find someone else in the team and mentor, so that one becomes maintainer | 16:45 |
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| mihgen | xarses: bacause I want to offload work from core reviewers. They are super-maintainers, if you want such term | 16:46 |
| kozhukalov_ | there small projects, where both roles will be definitely on the same guy | 16:46 |
| kozhukalov_ | like fuel-agent for example | 16:47 |
| mihgen | I want leutenant-dictator model | 16:47 |
| mihgen | kozhukalov: that's ok if it is so | 16:47 |
| mihgen | I'd encourage cores for delegation of their work | 16:47 |
| mihgen | that's the idea | 16:47 |
| mihgen | so cores have more time to spend on bigger, strategy-wise things | 16:47 |
| mihgen | ok guys just 13 min left ( | 16:48 |
| mihgen | xarses: moving on? | 16:48 |
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| xarses | #topic Enhancements Team Status (ashtokolov) | 16:48 |
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| mihgen | vkramskikh: kozhukalov guys please ask questions in openstack-dev if you have any still, or find me in #fuel-dev | 16:48 |
| ashtokolov | We've analysed our backlog and currently we have | 16:48 |
| ashtokolov | LP: 79 (was 69) bugs with “feature” tag (fuel-library - 12, fuel-python - 67) | 16:49 |
| ashtokolov | and 5 JIRA stories: PRODs 773, 778, 1245, 1405 | 16:49 |
| mihgen | can we move those 5 to launchpad? | 16:49 |
| xarses | ashtokolov: so you will move them to LP then? | 16:49 |
| mattymo_ | maybe you mean blueprints?) | 16:49 |
| mihgen | you have 4 numbers btw ) | 16:49 |
| ashtokolov | we work in trello | 16:49 |
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| ashtokolov | so we are splitting them on small parts and fill cards | 16:50 |
| mihgen | depends on how large stories are. if they are > 5 man days, then enhancements team should not work on those | 16:50 |
| mihgen | and blueperints is the right place | 16:50 |
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| ashtokolov | mihgen: you are right + 1472 | 16:50 |
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| mihgen | if they are small, then since we have 79 already in bugs in LP, why do we keep backlog somewhere else | 16:51 |
| mihgen | it makes nearly impossible to track everything.. | 16:51 |
| ashtokolov | so current status Inbox/Todo - 34, In progress - 4 + 2 stories, On review - 13, QA - 8, Done - 1 | 16:51 |
| ashtokolov | troll it's just a showroom | 16:51 |
| ashtokolov | I wrote a script to sync LP to Trello | 16:51 |
| xenolog13 | guys, what about PROD-1295 ? it's a very important story for Telco... | 16:51 |
| ashtokolov | it's just to choose next item to work with | 16:52 |
| mihgen | troll? | 16:52 |
| ashtokolov | LP is a primary source | 16:52 |
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| xarses | ashtokolov: please create a wiki page documenting your working tools so we can follow along | 16:52 |
| mihgen | ok let's take it offline ashtokolov | 16:52 |
| xarses | lets move on | 16:53 |
| xarses | #topic Fuel UI Team status (vkramskikh) | 16:53 |
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| ashtokolov | mihgen not troll but Trello =) | 16:53 |
| mihgen | It's great to see progress | 16:53 |
| ashtokolov | sorry) | 16:53 |
| vkramskikh | Hi, we've started breaking down UI and UI-related Epics and creating corresponding blueprints. Here is the list: | 16:53 |
| vkramskikh | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-ui-8-0-userstories | 16:53 |
| vkramskikh | For now we've finished with blockers and criticals, so DTLs of other teams can link these blueprint with theirs. They mostly lack description, so feel free to contact me and jkirnosova for further design and discussion. Any questions? | 16:53 |
| mihgen | even when we are not over with 7.0 | 16:53 |
| mihgen | ashtokolov: I want whole backlog of items for the team to be in one single open place, but let's discuss it offline | 16:53 |
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| ashtokolov | mihgen: ok | 16:54 |
| mihgen | vkramskikh: great, thanks vkramskikh! | 16:54 |
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| mihgen | do we have any specs already created? | 16:54 |
| vkramskikh | not yet | 16:54 |
| vkramskikh | we need to decide what we do in the 1st iteration, and then prepare specs for that stuff, right? | 16:55 |
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| mihgen | yep | 16:55 |
| mihgen | I would say that we should start specs work in advance | 16:55 |
| mihgen | so even for 2nd iteration | 16:55 |
| vkramskikh | ok, we'll make the decision soon with the help of other teams | 16:55 |
| mihgen | as it usually takes too long to involve all required parties | 16:55 |
| vkramskikh | got it | 16:56 |
| mihgen | thanks. moving on? | 16:56 |
| xarses | #topic Upgrades team status (ogelbukh) | 16:56 |
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| mihgen | did we skip dpyzhov's update? | 16:56 |
| dpyzhov | yep ) | 16:56 |
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| xarses | oops | 16:56 |
| xarses | #topic Bugfix Team Status (dpyzhov) | 16:56 |
| mihgen | dpyzhov: may be you inserted yourself in the mid of agenda?) let's always put at the end | 16:56 |
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| dpyzhov | I guess I was late adding my line into agenda | 16:56 |
| mattymo_ | woo bugfixing! | 16:57 |
| mihgen | you go Dima | 16:57 |
| dpyzhov | Bugfix team started to work on 16th of September. We are focused on bugs that are already exist in Fuel. | 16:57 |
| dpyzhov | So our priority is bugs created before 7.0 release date. | 16:57 |
| dpyzhov | New bugs should be analysed and assigned to the team that introduced them. | 16:57 |
| dpyzhov | Looks like the best way to achieve this is to update our bug triage instruction. | 16:57 |
| dpyzhov | At the moment we ignore bugs with ‘feature’ or ‘tech-debt’ tag and bugs linked to blueprints. | 16:57 |
| dpyzhov | Currently we have 67 in UI, 149 bugs in python and 99 bugs in library. | 16:57 |
| dpyzhov | We keep squashing bug lists by invalidating some of them and marking some of them as feature requests or technical debt. | 16:57 |
| dpyzhov | I’m little bit concerned by ‘tech-debt’ tag. Looks like it is deprioritized. | 16:57 |
| dpyzhov | And it is possible that nobody will start fixing our tech debt before SCF. | 16:57 |
| dpyzhov | And it will be too late and all the bugs will be postponed again. | 16:57 |
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| dpyzhov | Cmd-C, Cmd-V =) | 16:57 |
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| mihgen | dpyzhov: why deprioritized? let's use same priority mechanism.. | 16:58 |
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| dpyzhov | Who will fix them? Enh team? | 16:58 |
| mattymo_ | dpyzhov, I've been thinking about tech-debt and how we should balance things. We should all do our fair share of tech debt bugs, but I expect we'll rotate in and out of 100% bugs and try to squeeze in some 1-2 days a week knocking away tech debt bugs | 16:58 |
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| mattymo_ | they're not enhancements... it's another category | 16:58 |
| xarses | shouldn't tech debt be taken up be enhancements when possible? | 16:58 |
| mihgen | depends on bugs perhaps, +1 to xarses | 16:58 |
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| xarses | some of them will need full features | 16:59 |
| xarses | in which case, we need to create bp | 16:59 |
| mihgen | if it's just 1-2 days fix bug, not a real gap in functionality - it seems to be bugfix team should work on it | 16:59 |
| mattymo_ | xarses, tech-debt is usually about resyncing with upstream or removing deprecated this or that, or some minor refactoring | 16:59 |
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| mihgen | guys who has time, let's spend 5 more min in #fuel-dev for the remaining items | 16:59 |
| dpyzhov | We can spend, let's say, 20% of time on tech-debt in my team | 17:00 |
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| xarses | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 24 17:00:18 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-09-24-16.02.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-09-24-16.02.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-09-24-16.02.log.html | 17:00 |
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| elmiko | #startmeeting security | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 24 17:00:34 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is elmiko. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:00 |
| mihgen | xarses: closing? let's move to #fuel-dev for 5 more min.. | 17:00 |
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| tkelsey | o/ | 17:00 |
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| elmiko | hi | 17:00 |
| tkelsey | hey elmiko | 17:00 |
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| redrobot_mobile | o/ | 17:01 |
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| singlethink | o/ | 17:01 |
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| nkinder | o/ | 17:01 |
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| elmiko | ok, let me dig up the agenda rob sent out. 1sec | 17:02 |
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| elmiko | #char tkelsey nkinder | 17:02 |
| elmiko | #chair tkelsey nkinder | 17:02 |
| tkelsey | heh :) | 17:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: elmiko nkinder tkelsey | 17:02 |
| elmiko | just in case | 17:02 |
| elmiko | ok, lets get this rolling =) | 17:03 |
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| nkinder | I'm feeling charred... | 17:03 |
| elmiko | #topic PTL shenanigans | 17:03 |
| gmurphy | lol | 17:03 |
| elmiko | lol | 17:03 |
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| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224798/ | 17:03 |
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| elmiko | anyone have additional thoughts on this? | 17:03 |
| elmiko | seems like everything went through ok | 17:04 |
| tkelsey | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/075275.html agenda | 17:04 |
| tkelsey | seems good to me, so Rob is officially setup | 17:04 |
| dg_ | other than a fantastic opportunity to troll Rob, I have no feelings | 17:04 |
| elmiko | thanks tkelsey | 17:04 |
| elmiko | haha, nice dg_ | 17:04 |
| gmurphy | haha | 17:04 |
| nkinder | yeah, seems like it's all set | 17:04 |
| elmiko | ok then | 17:04 |
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| elmiko | #topic VMT project tracking | 17:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "VMT project tracking (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:04 | |
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| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226869/ | 17:05 |
| elmiko | gmurphy, tristanC , you guys have anything to add on this one? | 17:06 |
| gmurphy | please review. part of the implication to the security group is potentially being roped in for 'audits' of code bases before they are allowed to reach 'vulnerability managed' status | 17:06 |
| elmiko | yea, the audit part was the only thing that really stood out to me | 17:06 |
| tkelsey | gmurphy: interesting | 17:06 |
| gmurphy | basically we don't want to accept a project.. then run bandit and have hundreds of tmp file vulnerabilities or similar | 17:07 |
| nkinder | yeah, makes sense | 17:07 |
| elmiko | yea, that makes good sense | 17:07 |
| elmiko | jinx! | 17:07 |
| tkelsey | heh :) | 17:07 |
| tkelsey | maybe a standardised bandit config could be a good thing | 17:07 |
| tkelsey | as a base level it must pass cleanly ? | 17:08 |
| tkelsey | just thinking out loud | 17:08 |
| gmurphy | yeah sounds like something to work towards | 17:08 |
| elmiko | the real question would be, what plugins to have on that standard? | 17:08 |
| tkelsey | sure, we would have to come up with a list | 17:08 |
| gmurphy | maybe nut it out over a review? | 17:08 |
| elmiko | +1 | 17:08 |
| tkelsey | probably take a few rounds of revision and input | 17:08 |
| tkelsey | +1 | 17:08 |
| kevinlondon | +1 | 17:08 |
| edmondsw | have the security team review the #nosec as well? | 17:09 |
| edmondsw | so they don't just add those everywhere :) | 17:09 |
| gmurphy | good point! | 17:09 |
| tkelsey | edmondsw: sounds good | 17:09 |
| dave-mccowan | o/ | 17:09 |
| gmurphy | doesn't bandit have a flag now to ignore or show the nosec tags for such purposes? | 17:09 |
| gmurphy | or am i making stuff up? | 17:10 |
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| bknudson | it would be handy to have an option that required a comment in addition to #nosec. | 17:10 |
| tkelsey | gmurphy: not that i know of, but it probably should | 17:10 |
| kevinlondon | yeah, I don't think I've seen that feature yet | 17:10 |
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| elmiko | bknudson: +1 | 17:10 |
| gmurphy | ok. i must be dreaming.. | 17:10 |
| tkelsey | kevinlondon: glad you could make the meeting, thanks for that email earlier | 17:11 |
| kevinlondon | thanks! no problem :) | 17:11 |
| tkelsey | gmurphy: I'll add a bug to create it :) | 17:11 |
| nkinder | Sounds like a nice feature to have | 17:11 |
| redrobot | I volunteer as tribute to have Barbican go through the new VMT tag process. | 17:12 |
| gmurphy | cool. | 17:12 |
| elmiko | nice | 17:12 |
| gmurphy | haha | 17:12 |
| elmiko | is there an action we can associate with this? | 17:12 |
| tkelsey | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bandit/+bug/1499467 | 17:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1499467 in Bandit "Bandit needs an override for #nosec" [Wishlist,New] | 17:13 |
| gmurphy | maybe define what a 'security group code audit' means? | 17:13 |
| elmiko | ok, yea, but that should be part of the review i suppose | 17:13 |
| gmurphy | yeah.. was going to say that | 17:14 |
| elmiko | also, i was thinking more about if we could use barbican as a sacri^H^H^H^H^H tribute for the process? | 17:14 |
| gmurphy | oh | 17:14 |
| gmurphy | right | 17:14 |
| redrobot | I haven't read the CR for the new process, but I'm assuming it's similar to what was discussed on the ML | 17:14 |
| elmiko | or is that putting the cart before the horse, what with the review and all | 17:14 |
| redrobot | I'm concerned about the audit part | 17:14 |
| redrobot | mainly because professional security audits are not cheap | 17:15 |
| elmiko | well, barbican already has bandit in the gate, right? | 17:15 |
| redrobot | elmiko yes, we have bandit | 17:15 |
| redrobot | but I read that as "hire a security firm to look at your code" | 17:15 |
| gmurphy | maybe wait for the review to land and then we can submit barbican through the process.. | 17:15 |
| elmiko | so we know we wouldn't get slammed with a bunch of low hanging fruit type stuff | 17:15 |
| elmiko | gmurphy: ok, yea. that makes sense | 17:15 |
| tkelsey | I think an "audit" should have a manual part, at least to go look at the bandit findings etc | 17:15 |
| elmiko | yea, we probably need more resolution on the depth of the initial audit | 17:16 |
| tkelsey | but of course, that depends on bandwidth | 17:16 |
| elmiko | i certainly wouldn't want to mandate that everything needs a full line-by-line code audit | 17:16 |
| tkelsey | yeah, way more than we could ever reasonably do.... but that is why we have bandit | 17:16 |
| redrobot | elmiko +1 | 17:16 |
| elmiko | anything else on this, or can we leave it to the review? | 17:17 |
| gmurphy | could this also be a hook for the threat analysis stuff rob was talking about ? | 17:17 |
| gmurphy | other than that comment - happy to leave it with the review | 17:17 |
| elmiko | ooh, nice idea | 17:17 |
| tkelsey | gmurphy: seems like a nice tie in | 17:17 |
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| elmiko | let's shed it out on the review =) | 17:17 |
| gmurphy | agree | 17:18 |
| tkelsey | +1 | 17:18 |
| elmiko | #topic Anchor | 17:18 |
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| elmiko | anchorites, updates? | 17:18 |
| tkelsey | Bunch of stuff in review for Anchor | 17:18 |
| tkelsey | please take a look if people have time | 17:18 |
| dg_ | its on my list for tomorrow | 17:18 |
| tkelsey | new X509 extension handling | 17:18 |
| tkelsey | Validators now in individual modules | 17:18 |
| dg_ | be nice to get some eyes on my spec | 17:18 |
| dg_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227384/ | 17:18 |
| tkelsey | dg_: +1 | 17:19 |
| tkelsey | dg_: do you want to talk a little about it here? | 17:19 |
| dg_ | yeah that'd be cool | 17:19 |
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| dg_ | so basically, the spec is to break out the Anchor Validation functionality into a seperate package, so it can be used by other services | 17:20 |
| tkelsey | for background, validation is the rules engine that assert a CSR is good or not | 17:20 |
| dg_ | this will let us re-use a bunch of the anchor code to build a traditional CA/RA for generating longer term certificates, but still keep the benefits of the automated certificate validation | 17:20 |
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| dg_ | Plan is to build a lightweight python CA with a rest api, that can be admined using a horizon pane, or other stand-alone interface | 17:22 |
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| elmiko | cool | 17:22 |
| kevinlondon | Would it wind up being something like https://github.com/letsencrypt/letsencrypt? | 17:22 |
| tkelsey | I like the idea dg_ and once we have a precedent, who know what other uses we may have for a CSR validation lib | 17:22 |
| redrobot | dg_ sounds like you're planning to reimplement the CA features of Barbican | 17:23 |
| nkinder | yeah, there sounds like there is quite a bit of overlap there | 17:23 |
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| nkinder | ...vs having anchor provide certificates for underlying openstack services themselves | 17:23 |
| dg_ | kevinlondon similar, although last time I looked at letsencrypt, it was a public certificate provider, like verisign, not a standalone CA/RA that I could deploy in my datacenter | 17:23 |
| dg_ | redrobot - does barbican do any automated validation? | 17:24 |
| nkinder | Yes, letsencrypt is a public CA | 17:24 |
| kevinlondon | got it, understood | 17:24 |
| nkinder | dg_: the backend behind barbican does depending on what it is | 17:24 |
| tkelsey | yeah i think the take away here is the validation rules, there are plenty of ways to sign a cert | 17:24 |
| redrobot | dg_ some, yes. we could definitely make use of a validation lib | 17:24 |
| dg_ | redrobot I had considered that this may sit behind barbican as an alternative CA | 17:24 |
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| dg_ | more powerful than the snakeoil ca and lighter weight than dogtag | 17:25 |
| nkinder | that woudl be the right approach IMHO, otherwise we have competing APIs | 17:25 |
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| redrobot | nkinder +1 it would definitely be awesome as a software-only CA for Barbican. Not a fan of adding a 3rd CA API to OpenStack | 17:26 |
| tkelsey | redrobot nkinder : +1 that sounds reasonable | 17:26 |
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| elmiko | so, is there a blueprint or spec that will be up for this idea dg_ ? | 17:26 |
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| elmiko | maybe something we can debate about in another arena | 17:27 |
| dg_ | redrobot agreed, although for a lot of use-cases, we just want to be able to throw a CSR at a CA and get a cert back - so it would be nice it were able to operate sans barbican as well | 17:27 |
| dg_ | elmiko yes we have talked about writing a spec, at the moment we just have a lot of whiteboard diagrams! my concern is that we may end up bikeshedding too much if we push it into a formal spec | 17:27 |
| redrobot | dg_ that's basically what you get with the Snakeoil CA backend now. I believe DogTag is able to be configured for automatic issuance as well | 17:28 |
| nkinder | yeah, dogtag can do that too (it depends on the cert profile that is used) | 17:28 |
| elmiko | dg_: yea, seems like we are heading down that path now. but it sounds like there are some good ideas abound | 17:28 |
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| elmiko | dg_: would you mind writing this up for the ML? | 17:28 |
| dg_ | elmiko yes it would be good to capture this, I'll write it up. ML or spec? | 17:29 |
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| tkelsey | spec + ML shout with link would be good | 17:29 |
| elmiko | imo spec would be better | 17:29 |
| elmiko | tkelsey: +1 | 17:29 |
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| elmiko | #action dg_ to write spec + ML shoutout about lightweight python CA idea | 17:29 |
| elmiko | sounds good? | 17:29 |
| dg_ | damnit, i loose at meetings | 17:29 |
| Michaelxin | Sorry, I am late. | 17:30 |
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| tkelsey | hey Michaelxin | 17:30 |
| * elmiko waves to Michaelxin | 17:30 | |
| dg_ | Ill try and get something up and out tomorrow/monday | 17:30 |
| elmiko | dg_: awesome thanks! | 17:30 |
| elmiko | #topic Bandit | 17:30 |
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| elmiko | tkelsey... | 17:30 |
| tkelsey | lots of cool stuff in Bandit as ever :) | 17:30 |
| tkelsey | we are pushing on test coverage and docs | 17:31 |
| Michaelxin | Thanks Tim | 17:31 |
| bknudson | thanks, Tim! | 17:31 |
| elmiko | awesome | 17:31 |
| tkelsey | I'll be talking to Rob about getting our docs published soon | 17:31 |
| tkelsey | kevinlondon: would you like to mention some of your findings? | 17:31 |
| kevinlondon | The docs that are there are very helpful tkelsey | 17:31 |
| tkelsey | kevinlondon: :) | 17:32 |
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| bknudson | the docs would be handy when upgrading and enabling new tests. | 17:32 |
| kevinlondon | Sure, so I scanned 16 popular open-source projects over the weekend with Bandit to see how we're doing with security. I wasn't expecting to find all that much tbh | 17:32 |
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| kevinlondon | I wound up finding things in 11 of the projects I checked, so I submitted 9 PRs and 6 issues | 17:32 |
| elmiko | ooh, nice! | 17:32 |
| kevinlondon | Some of the most common ones are untrusted urls in urllib, shell=True, loading things with yaml, using pickle | 17:33 |
| bknudson | do other projects have a vulnerability management process? | 17:33 |
| kevinlondon | The asserts disappearing surprises people too | 17:33 |
| elmiko | that's a fun one | 17:33 |
| kevinlondon | I didn't find one in many of the CONTRIBUTION guides that repos include | 17:33 |
| tkelsey | kevinlondon: awesome work :) | 17:33 |
| bknudson | or are these not bad enough | 17:33 |
| kevinlondon | They're not awful, they're pretty small | 17:33 |
| kevinlondon | In one case, a project was using tempfile.mktemp() | 17:33 |
| kevinlondon | They used the right thing in every other place, it was just that one | 17:34 |
| bknudson | are these projects going to sign up to bandit gating now? | 17:34 |
| kevinlondon | In another case, a distributed client / server CI thing was using urllib without checking the url it was going to | 17:34 |
| kevinlondon | I filed that one privately | 17:34 |
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| kevinlondon | I'm not sure, I included a link to bandit whenever I filed an issue / PR | 17:34 |
| bknudson | great | 17:34 |
| elmiko | nice | 17:34 |
| kevinlondon | I'm giving a talk tonight on my finding at http://www.meetup.com/socalpython/events/225224958/, currently 122 people RSVPed | 17:35 |
| elmiko | awesome, good luck! | 17:35 |
| bknudson | I'd like to see a post to the openstack-dev mailing list with this info, we could use more reasons for openstack projects to run it. | 17:35 |
| kevinlondon | Mostly covering the code itself and then talking about why it has security implications. I'm including bandit outputs. I'll send a link to the slides once I post it | 17:35 |
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| elmiko | bknudson: +1 | 17:35 |
| kevinlondon | In all cases I changed it so it doesn't uniquely ID the project | 17:35 |
| kevinlondon | It's not about pointing fingers :) | 17:35 |
| elmiko | that's a good attitude, imo | 17:36 |
| kevinlondon | thanks! | 17:36 |
| tkelsey | kevinlondon: that sounds really good | 17:36 |
| bknudson | that's a long ways for me to go for a meetup | 17:36 |
| kevinlondon | hahaha | 17:36 |
| elmiko | lol, likewise ;) | 17:36 |
| tkelsey | hehe yeah | 17:36 |
| elmiko | any other bandit news? | 17:36 |
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| elmiko | #topic Developer Guidance | 17:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Developer Guidance (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:37 | |
| elmiko | i'm not sure where we left this, and i think it was a rob topic | 17:37 |
| tkelsey | yeah, Rob is driving this one | 17:37 |
| elmiko | i think we were going to buff up the website, but haven't heard anything about it | 17:37 |
| tkelsey | maybe table it for next time? unless anyone has input? | 17:37 |
| elmiko | yea, anyone have a comment for this topic? | 17:38 |
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| elmiko | #topic Security Documents | 17:38 |
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| elmiko | sicarie__: any updates? | 17:38 |
| sicarie__ | Nothing this week | 17:39 |
| sicarie__ | I was suposed to send out an update email but was sidetracked at work | 17:39 |
| sicarie__ | Just scoping what state we want tog et to before Mitaka and pushing for that | 17:39 |
| elmiko | ok, cool | 17:39 |
| elmiko | #topic Security Notes | 17:40 |
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| elmiko | thanks to everyone who's been working on these | 17:40 |
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| elmiko | we've had a bunch merge in the last week | 17:40 |
| nkinder | I published 5-6 notes since last week's meeting | 17:40 |
| elmiko | many thanks nkinder =) | 17:40 |
| nkinder | I think everythign in the queue now needs to be updated by the author(s) | 17:40 |
| bknudson | we were pretty backed up | 17:40 |
| elmiko | yea | 17:40 |
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| elmiko | looks like we 4 that are untriaged and have no assignee | 17:41 |
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| Michaelxin | +1 | 17:42 |
| bknudson | we need another meetup | 17:42 |
| elmiko | maybe something to checkout in the next week or so | 17:42 |
| nkinder | Yeah, a few need to be picked up | 17:42 |
| nkinder | Anyone interested can look at the queue here - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/ | 17:42 |
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| elmiko | and at this point, we have a lot of good experience spread around for writing them. so... ;) | 17:43 |
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| elmiko | #topic Syntribos | 17:43 |
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| elmiko | Michaelxin: any updates ? | 17:43 |
| Michaelxin | The project was finally merged to openstack this week. | 17:44 |
| elmiko | \o/ | 17:44 |
| bknudson | there's a repo? | 17:44 |
| Michaelxin | yes | 17:45 |
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| bknudson | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/syntribos/ | 17:45 |
| elmiko | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/syntribos/ | 17:45 |
| elmiko | thanks bknudson | 17:45 |
| elmiko | and does syntribos have a git review process and everything, can we create reviews against it? | 17:46 |
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| Michaelxin | Thanks. | 17:46 |
| bknudson | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/syntribos,n,z | 17:46 |
| Michaelxin | Yes. | 17:46 |
| bknudson | no reviews | 17:46 |
| bknudson | yet | 17:46 |
| elmiko | awesome, very cool | 17:47 |
| Michaelxin | I will get other stuff ready this week. | 17:47 |
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| Michaelxin | Sorry, I am on my phone. | 17:47 |
| elmiko | no worries | 17:47 |
| tkelsey | so syntribos is officially on gerrit etc now? | 17:47 |
| Michaelxin | Will meet with my team and come up with action items tomorrow | 17:48 |
| elmiko | tkelsey: yea | 17:48 |
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| bknudson | who's the core team? | 17:48 |
| tkelsey | nice | 17:48 |
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| bknudson | https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/1093,members | 17:48 |
| bknudson | nobody | 17:48 |
| elmiko | i would imagine Michaelxin will be the PTL? | 17:48 |
| Michaelxin | I will update this week. | 17:49 |
| elmiko | #topic Any Other Business | 17:50 |
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| elmiko | anything thing else? | 17:50 |
| tkelsey | Michaelxin: awesome, looking forward to contributing :) | 17:50 |
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| Michaelxin | Thanks. Tim | 17:50 |
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| bknudson | I asked the gus who's proposing the privsep work if he wants it in ossg rather than oslo | 17:51 |
| bknudson | some people didn't know ossg had repos | 17:51 |
| elmiko | any word back? | 17:51 |
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| bknudson | last I saw he didn't care where it went | 17:51 |
| elmiko | an interesting idea though, and makes sense imo | 17:51 |
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| bknudson | maybe something to discuss at a tc meeting or ptl meeting if rob is there | 17:52 |
| elmiko | +1 | 17:53 |
| bknudson | I think it fits in with ossg as much as oslo, and would take some of the load off oslo | 17:53 |
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| elmiko | that's kinda what i was thinking too | 17:53 |
| elmiko | ok, anything else? | 17:54 |
| elmiko | have a good weekend all! | 17:55 |
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| elmiko | #endmeeting | 17:55 |
| nkinder | Thanks! | 17:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 24 17:55:14 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-09-24-17.00.html | 17:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-09-24-17.00.txt | 17:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-09-24-17.00.log.html | 17:55 |
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| tkelsey | thanks all :) | 17:55 |
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| sriram | #startmeeting poppy | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 24 19:00:38 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sriram. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: poppy)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'poppy' | 19:00 |
| sriram | o/ | 19:00 |
| tonytan4ever | o/ | 19:01 |
| malini1 | o/ | 19:01 |
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| sriram | #topic review last meeting | 19:01 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "review last meeting (Meeting topic: poppy)" | 19:01 | |
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| sriram | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy/2015/poppy.2015-09-17-19.00.html | 19:02 |
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| cathR | o/ | 19:02 |
| ametts | \o/ | 19:02 |
| sriram | whoa lots of people here today! | 19:02 |
| sriram | ;) | 19:02 |
| malini1 | some ppl raised two hands :D | 19:03 |
| sriram | amit isnt here today, so lets assign all the action items to him | 19:03 |
| sriram | muahaha | 19:03 |
| sriram | for example | 19:04 |
| sriram | #action amitgandhinz to resurrect https://review.openstack.org/143192 | 19:04 |
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| sriram | but that was from last time ;) | 19:04 |
| malini1 | I am onboard with tht | 19:04 |
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| sriram | #topic Liberty-3 updates | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Liberty-3 updates (Meeting topic: poppy)" | 19:04 | |
| sriram | #link https://launchpad.net/poppy/+milestone/liberty-3 | 19:05 |
| tonytan4ever | Only one action item so he should be cool | 19:05 |
| sriram | tonytan4ever: you betcha. | 19:05 |
| malini1 | we have the whole meeting to give more stuff | 19:05 |
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| sriram | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/akamai-ssl-driver | 19:05 |
| sriram | tonytan4ever: your updates? | 19:06 |
| tonytan4ever | I'd say it is in Good Progress. | 19:06 |
| tonytan4ever | As one big PR rolled out to be tested | 19:06 |
| tonytan4ever | More of them on the way | 19:06 |
| sriram | woot, thanks for your work on it. | 19:06 |
| sriram | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/gate-api-tests | 19:07 |
| tonytan4ever | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224246/ | 19:07 |
| sriram | malini1: last I remember, you wanted to take this on. | 19:07 |
| malini1 | I haven't got a chance to look at it yet | 19:07 |
| malini1 | will assign myself, whenever I get started | 19:07 |
| tonytan4ever | Anyone can get this merged by today would be appresicated | 19:07 |
| tonytan4ever | appreciated* | 19:07 |
| sriram | noted. | 19:07 |
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| sriram | alright, lets get those patches reviewed and merged. | 19:08 |
| sriram | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/code-coverage | 19:08 |
| sriram | is miqui here? | 19:08 |
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| sriram | I dont think so. | 19:09 |
| sriram | I'll mark that as slow progress. | 19:09 |
| sriram | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/devstack | 19:09 |
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| sriram | I dont think that is assigned to anyone. | 19:10 |
| sriram | if anyone is interested, they can pick it up. | 19:10 |
| sriram | #topic Open Discussion | 19:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: poppy)" | 19:11 | |
| sriram | malini1, tonytan4ever: the floor is yours! | 19:11 |
| sriram | anything you want to bring up. | 19:11 |
| malini1 | hmm..none from me | 19:11 |
| tonytan4ever | I have nothing yet to discuss except some local changes I want to notify you guys | 19:11 |
| sriram | oh, whats that? | 19:12 |
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| tonytan4ever | To test the new ssl_certificate locally you would need to add something. | 19:12 |
| sriram | ah, the config options? | 19:12 |
| tonytan4ever | Yes | 19:12 |
| sriram | ok yeah makes sense. | 19:13 |
| malini1 | tonytan4ever: is tht something you can add to etc/sample.conf ? | 19:13 |
| tonytan4ever | I will send out a gist later | 19:13 |
| tonytan4ever | I will add to etc/poppy.conf | 19:13 |
| malini1 | thx! | 19:13 |
| sriram | awesome, thanls | 19:13 |
| sriram | *thanks | 19:13 |
| tonytan4ever | OK I am good. | 19:14 |
| sriram | alright, if no else has anything to add, thank you all for being here! | 19:14 |
| sriram | see y'all next week. | 19:14 |
| ametts | thanks, sriram | 19:14 |
| malini1 | thx sriram | 19:14 |
| tonytan4ever | Later folks | 19:14 |
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| sriram | #endmeeting | 19:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:14 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 24 19:14:44 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:14 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy/2015/poppy.2015-09-24-19.00.html | 19:14 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy/2015/poppy.2015-09-24-19.00.txt | 19:14 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy/2015/poppy.2015-09-24-19.00.log.html | 19:14 |
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