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bswartz#startmeeting manila15:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jun 11 15:00:38 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'manila'15:00
cknightHi15:00
xyang1Hi15:00
ganso_hello15:00
rrajahi15:00
marksturhello15:00
zhongjun2hi15:00
bswartzhello all15:01
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vponomaryovhello15:01
bswartz#agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings15:01
u_glidehello15:01
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bswartzsorry I've been unavailable most of the last week15:01
bswartz#topic Manila Midcycle Meetup15:02
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bswartzso based on all the feedback I've received, I think that July 29-30 are the best dates to hold the meetup15:02
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bswartzThe only known conflict that creates is that it's right before the cinder meetup, so people who work on both (like xyang1) probably can't travel15:03
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bswartzdoes anyone else have a problem with that date?15:03
xyang1bswartz: Yes, I can't travel, not because of cinder though15:04
xyang1bswartz: I can join google hangout15:04
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bswartzyes, sorry xyang1, there was no date that would work for 100% of people15:04
xyang1bswartz: Understand15:05
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bswartzokay I will make it official then, and people can start scheduling their travel (if possible)15:06
rrajabswartz: csaba and I would like to join through google hangout. wasn't there a cap on the number of people who could join google hangout last time?15:06
cFoutso/15:06
bswartzrraja, yes google has a cap for video calls15:06
bswartzwe can do an audio bridge again which scales much better15:06
rrajabswartz: ok. thanks!15:07
bswartznext month we will get an agenda together for the meetup, hopefully more organized than last time15:08
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bswartzanything else about meetup?15:08
bswartz#topic Separate ID approach for Share Migration and Replication15:08
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bswartzganso_: you're up15:08
ganso_ok so, we have not decided on the approach15:08
ganso_Approach 1 can be considered as already implemented15:09
ganso_are we going to stick with it?15:09
bswartz#link https://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg54504.html15:09
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bswartzganso_: I believe all of the options are workable for the migration use case, and I don't have a strong preference for any of them15:10
bswartzganso_: the decider for me will be which option also works well for replication, and that I just don't know yet15:10
ganso_the consequence is that all drivers will have to do some change in order to be compliant with migration. But last time we discussed I brought up the fact that the currently implementation still requires driver updates15:10
bswartzwhy are driver updates required if we don't choose proposal 115:11
ganso_because those changes are related to network path and mount command15:12
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ganso_we ended up not discussing this at the meetup15:12
ganso_ /s/meetup/summit15:12
ganso_whoever is mounting the source and destination shares need to reach them15:13
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ganso_unless it is a VM, a network path is needed15:13
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bswartzI'm still not convinced that those network/mount stuff needs to be in the drivers15:13
ganso_it is not common for drivers to provide a network path, because this type of scenario is not needed at this time15:13
bswartzganso_: what is the difference between the "network path" and the export location?15:14
ganso_I would prefer not to be, but I still have not figured out a way to not require driver code... at this moment I am working on improving the copy method and error cleanup15:14
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ganso_the export location has an ip address from inside openstack network15:15
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ganso_a node from the admin network cannot reach that ip (normally)15:15
bswartzoh15:15
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bswartzyou think we need to require all drivers to make their shares also available on the admin network?15:15
bswartzthat would be a significant new requirement15:15
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ganso_so the network path is an approach that driver vendors would need to figure out in order to make that connection possible. I implemented it for generic as example15:16
ganso_if the entity mounting the shares are on the admin network, yes15:16
ganso_if the entity is a VM, then no15:16
bswartzganso_: do you have a link to that change?15:17
ganso_yes hold on a sec15:17
bswartzhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/179791/15:17
bswartzfound it15:17
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ganso_yea :) thanks15:17
bswartzokay this is something I hadn't considered15:18
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ganso_the mount command is something that I added as a concern of mine, because the mount command for NFS is simple, but I am not familiar with other protocols. I know CIFS requires additional parameters15:18
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ganso_if the entity that mounts has the libraries and intelligence to do it, and does not require the parameter values from backends, then drivers would also not need to provide them15:19
bswartznetwork reachability will likely cause problems with migration, but forcing drivers to make shares available on multiple networks might be too difficult for some backends15:19
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ganso_yes, I tested on HDS hardware and it was a bit more complex15:19
ganso_that raised my concern15:20
bswartzI wonder if there could be any other solution15:20
ganso_if it was a VM, then I am very positive that it can be compatible with any backend15:20
bswartzsuch as use of service VMs connected to multiple networks or some kind of neutron magic15:20
bswartzif what was a VM15:20
ganso_the entity that mounts, like the data copy service node15:20
bswartzyeah...15:21
bswartzthat would create a new dependency again though15:21
ganso_we initially wanted it to be a baremetal node, but maybe it will have to be a VM15:21
bswartzI don't like VMs being the only option15:21
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vponomaryovwe need to find the way when we will be able to copy data without mounting of share15:22
ganso_unfortunately I do not see another option yet, I am looking for it :\15:22
bswartzvponomaryov: I don't think we can do that generically15:22
ganso_vponomaryov: for a generic migration I do not think this is possible15:22
bswartzvponomaryov: mounting and copying the data is supposed to be the universal fallback15:22
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bswartzwe could in theory removing the existing export location before adding new ones (new export locations on the admin network)15:23
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bswartzs/removing/remove/15:23
bswartzbut this still creates headaches for drivers15:23
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ganso_that would be a similar approach, I don't think we need to remove, but just change it to read only and add an additional export location to the list, and drivers would still need to ensure their share is reachable from admin network15:24
ganso_it does not improve a lot15:25
bswartzI would want to poll the existing drivers and find out how hard it might be to add additional export locations on a different network for each one15:25
bswartzpoll the maintainers*15:25
ganso_I can send another email to the mailing list asking that15:25
ganso_a different thread15:26
bswartzthis is only an issue for drivers that support share servers15:26
ganso_bswartz: not really15:26
ganso_bswartz: for DHSS = false I still had to provide the network path15:27
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bswartzwell for drivers that don't support share servers, the drivers have no knowledge of networking -- it's left to the admin to ensure reachability15:28
ganso_if we go back to the previous discussion for a moment, if all driver maintainers say they can provide a network path, then are we going to stick with the approach that requires driver changes? on another trail of thought we were discussing drivers not having to provide it, and our solution was to use the VM15:29
ganso_bswartz: agreed15:29
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bswartzganso_: I can't tell you my preference yet -- I need to spend time looking at the replication feature and how it interacts15:31
ganso_how about we put that on hold on a moment and discuss the mount command, that would also be a restriction for that15:31
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ganso_do you think there is a way we can get rid of having to provide the mount command?15:31
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bswartzthe mount command is going to client-side specific15:32
bswartzand protocol specific (obviously)15:33
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bswartzbut if we had a data-copy service, wouldn't it mount all NFS shares the same way?15:33
bswartzand all CIFS shares the same way?15:33
bswartzany config options needed for mounting CIFS could be part of the manila.conf file15:33
bswartzI can't think of a mount option that would be specific to the driver or backend15:34
ganso_the manila.conf would be in the destination backend15:34
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ganso_the data copy service node would need to obtain that information somehow15:35
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bswartzmanila.conf should be the same for all nodes, except for the enabled_share_backends option15:35
ganso_hmmm I never thought of that as a real scenario :) I need to learn how to read the configs15:36
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bswartzin a single node installation, it's all very easy because everything goes in 1 config15:37
ganso_ok, so I will send an email to the mailing list asking about the network path15:37
ganso_at least we will then know our options15:37
bswartzin a multi node installation, you need to think about which nodes run the data copy service (assuming we add it)15:37
bswartzokay we're about out of time on this topic15:37
bswartzI wish we had more answers, but I don't want to take up the whole meeting on it15:38
bswartzI will figure out the share IDs and how they affect replication question by next week15:38
bswartzanything else before we move on to next topic?15:39
bswartz#topic manila-service-image hosting15:39
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bswartzu_glide: you're up15:39
u_glideAs you probably know I have created manila-image-elements project and  proposed new manila-service-image (https://review.openstack.org/187550/). Now it's time to discuss where we will host new images.15:39
u_glideCurrent (old) image hosted on vponomaryov's Dropbox but I think it doesn't meet our new requirements  for image hosting15:40
u_glidenew manila-service-images should have releases15:40
u_glideand this releases should be hosted somewhere15:40
bswartzyes15:40
bswartzwell I was assuming that openstack-infra would host them were they host releases of all of the various projects they build15:41
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bswartzwouldn't the qcow2 file that gets genereated from the image project just go into the tarball and get uploaded to http://tarballs.openstack.org/ ?15:42
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u_glidebswartz: seems that http://tarballs.openstack.org/ hosts only source code15:43
bswartzit hosts whatever gets put into the tarball15:43
bswartzI'll admit that I don't know what process does that15:44
u_glideok, Is it have enough bandwidth?15:44
bswartzI'm pretty sure that we can work with the infra folks to solve this15:44
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bswartzif there needs to be a "release" process that pulls down the latest manila-image project and builds a qcow2 and uploads that somewhere15:45
bswartzwe can go in their channel and ask15:46
bswartzor put an agenda item on the infra meeting and discuss it there15:46
bswartzthey meet on tuesdays at 1900 UTC15:46
u_glideok, sounds good but we also should plan our release policy for manila-service-image15:46
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bswartzI think the release policy should match the tarball release policy15:47
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bswartzEverything with a tag is preserved, as is HEAD from every branch15:47
bswartzso if we want to make a new release, we just tag the change in git15:48
u_glideit will be perfect15:48
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u_glide:)15:48
u_glideI like an idea of automating such things15:49
bswartzIt's already automated for tarballs15:49
bswartzfor example: http://tarballs.openstack.org/manila/15:50
bswartzhttp://tarballs.openstack.org/python-manilaclient/15:50
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u_glideok, I will put item to infra meeting agenda15:51
u_glideto discuss details15:52
bswartzu_glide: will you take the lead in working with infra to get the builds to run somehow and upload the qcow2 files somewhere?15:52
bswartzPlease copy me so I can attend15:52
u_glidebswartz: ok, np15:52
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bswartzu_glide: anything else on this topic?15:53
u_glideno, now we have direction to follow15:53
bswartz#topic open discussion15:53
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bswartzalright, anything else for today?15:53
ganso_could we discuss briefly the minimum requirements?15:54
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zhongjun2I saw manila-minimum-driver-requirements.15:54
zhongjun2Some features can't support in manila driver, for example: create_share_from_snapshot.15:54
zhongjun2Whether to allow this driver code be merged to Liberty.15:54
bswartzganso_: yes15:54
ganso_#link v15:54
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ganso_#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-minimum-driver-requirements15:54
bswartzzhongjun2: snapshots are pointless if you can't use them to create new shares15:54
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bswartzwhat else do you think snapshots can be used for if not creating new shares?15:55
vponomaryovbswartz: restoring existing one15:55
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vponomaryovdata on it15:55
zhongjun2The snapshot data can be seen under the share directory15:55
bswartzvponomaryov: the only way to do that in manila today is to create a new share from the snapshot15:55
marksturoutside of manila they'd be used for backup and restore15:56
ganso_vponomaryov: the workflow is to create a new snapshot from share, AFAIK15:56
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bswartzwe don't have a reset-share-to-snapshot API15:56
vponomaryovbswartz: by manila -yes, but for admin it is definitely use case15:56
bswartzso the topic of snapshot support has come up before15:57
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ganso_the consequence would be 2 different ways to handle snapshots, and driver vendors would have implement one of them?15:57
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cknightganso_: Not excited about that15:57
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bswartzmy response has always been: snapshots are an essential feature in manila -- drivers don't have to implement them very efficiently, but they do have to match the semantics expected by the user -- which are that you can create shares from snapshots and snapshots represent the state of the original share at the time the snapshot was taken15:58
bswartzI'm not sure if anyone disagrees...15:58
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cknightbswartz: is there a reason you can't restore a share from a snapshot?15:58
ganso_cknight: neither am I15:59
bswartzcknight: it's not needed because you can create a new share from it, which has the same effect15:59
vponomaryovbswartz: new share takes quota15:59
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cknightbswartz: new share has different export location15:59
vponomaryovbswartz: and if we do not need duplication why should we create new one?15:59
cknightvponomaryov: +115:59
bswartzif there is strong demand for a restore-share-to-snapshot API we could add it16:00
cknightbswartz: it's always struck me as an odd omission16:00
marksturrestore was asked for at summit pres (not that 1 question counts as strong demand)16:00
bswartzit's tricky though because clients would observe a time warp if they had the share mounted at the time of the restore16:00
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zhongjun2restore-share-to-snapshot is a good idea16:01
markstur+116:01
bswartzthe idea has been to keep the API minimal to still allow all the things a client might want to do16:01
vponomaryovbswartz: vulnerability is not the reason to skip feature implementation16:01
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bswartzI'm not opposed to this new API proposal though16:01
cknightbswartz: time check16:01
ganso_guys, please take a look at etherpad "list of upcoming new minimum requirements", I think it is important so drivers can plan ahead for Liberty release16:01
bswartzah crud16:01
bswartzwe're past time16:01
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xyang1bswartz: Do we just add comments on etherpad16:02
bswartzthanks everyone16:02
ganso_xyang1: yes16:02
bswartzxyang1: yes you're welcome to16:02
xyang1Ok16:02
bswartzeventually the requirements will be codified in the developer docs, and you can submit comments in gerrit for that16:02
bswartz#endmeeting16:02
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bswartzsorry mirantis fuel guys16:03
bswartzI keep losing track of time16:03
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michaelxinhey17:00
tmcpeakI think hyakuhei1 is around to run17:01
tmcpeakotherwise I'll kick us off in a min or so17:01
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tmcpeakallright, let's get going17:02
tmcpeak#startmeeting security17:02
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tmcpeakrole call17:02
tmcpeako/17:02
nkinder__hi everyone17:02
singlethinkhi17:02
michaelxino/17:02
tmcpeakhey nkinder__: glad you could make it17:02
fletcher_hola17:02
shohelhi17:02
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tmcpeakshohel - long time17:02
sicarieo/17:03
shohelyah17:03
tmcpeakstart throwing up topics everybody17:03
tmcpeakmidcycle17:03
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bknudsonhi17:03
michaelxinno update for me. This week is crazy. Sorry.17:03
tmcpeakcool, no worries17:03
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tmcpeak-bandit17:04
tmcpeaknkinder__: note update?17:04
nkinder__not much on notes lately really17:04
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tmcpeakok17:05
tmcpeakmaybe a short meeting today then17:05
tmcpeak#topic midcycle17:05
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tmcpeaklet's do one!17:05
michaelxinsounds great17:05
fletcher_Is that the meetup thing I attended? :)17:05
tmcpeakfletcher_ yep, already time to start planning the next one :)17:06
nkinder__what do we want to cover?17:06
fletcher_ah snap, that'd be cool. I found the last one useful/fun17:06
tmcpeak#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-liberty-midcycle17:06
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nkinder__nathaniel and I were discussing working towards v2 of the security guide at the Summit17:06
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tmcpeakthat would be awesome17:06
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sicarie+1 a sec guide sprint would be useful17:07
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tmcpeakcool so first things first - put your name on the etherpad if you are interested in attending17:07
tmcpeakwhen are we looking at? towards beginning of august probably?17:08
michaelxinlate august is better?17:09
michaelxinearly august is defcon and blackhat17:09
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tmcpeakmichaelxin: good point17:10
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tmcpeakwe don't want to run too close to summit though17:10
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tmcpeakanybody know when the other midcycles are?17:10
bknudson#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints#Liberty_sprints17:10
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fletcher_link to etherpad?17:11
tmcpeakhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-liberty-midcycle17:11
bknudsonother midcycles I'm interested in are in mid-july17:11
bknudsonso august works for me17:11
tmcpeakok yeah, so maybe mid August early Sept?17:11
fletcher_thanks!17:11
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nkinder__I would prefer late august too17:12
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michaelxinhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-liberty-midcycle shows loading... to me? Does it work for anyone else? Thanks.17:12
tmcpeakmichaelxin: works here17:12
nkinder__works here too17:12
nkinder__michaelxin: shift-reload it17:12
michaelxintmcpeak: nkinder__ Thanks.17:13
tmcpeakok so let's do this17:13
tmcpeakif you are interested in attending, please add your name to the top17:13
tmcpeakalso add your name under any dates that you could attend17:13
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tmcpeakwe'll likely need some time to figure this out, and I want hyakuhei to drive this, just wanted to get people thinking about it early17:13
michaelxinThanks. Firefox worked but Chrome failed. :-)17:14
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tmcpeakcooo17:14
tmcpeakcool17:14
tmcpeak@topic Bandit17:14
tmcpeak#topic Bandit17:14
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tmcpeakso we've had a lot of good work being done this week17:14
tmcpeakone thing I would like to call attention to are jogo's comments here: https://review.openstack.org/17956617:15
tmcpeakbrowne has been trying to get other projects to implement a Bandit gate17:15
bknudsonstill making progress on enabling keystone projects (keystoneclient) -- needs reviews17:15
michaelxin+117:15
bknudsongetting reviews in keystone is not as easy as bandit17:15
tmcpeakbknudson: awesome17:15
tmcpeak!17:15
tmcpeak(can't type today)17:15
bknudsonbrowne noticed a problem in keystone bandit.yaml where we weren't actually running something...17:16
nkinder__I like the proposal to make bandit use threading for parallel scanning17:16
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tmcpeakchair6: thoughts on this? I haven't read the threat yet17:16
nkinder__I wonder if that would meet jogo's performance expectations17:17
tmcpeakit could certainly help17:17
bknudsonhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/187360/ -- Replace blacklist_functions with blacklist_calls17:17
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bknudsonwould have been nice if bandit had warned us17:17
bknudsonthat we were using the wrong name17:17
tmcpeakbknudson: ++ we should throw a big nasty warning if we're trying to include a plugin that doesn't exist17:18
bknudsonnobody has complained about performance on keystone17:18
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bknudsongate-keystone-tox-banditSUCCESS in 2m 25s (non-voting)17:18
bknudsongate-keystone-pep8SUCCESS in 5m 01s17:19
tmcpeakI think the nova job is scanning like 3 times the files or something17:19
tmcpeakactually 2m25s is longer than I would have guessed17:19
bknudsonthat must include some setup17:19
tmcpeakoh right17:20
tmcpeakin particular I'm interested in his comment that printing out the whole statement is too much17:20
tmcpeakdo you guys agree with that?17:20
bknudson2015-06-03_22_15_10_331 -> 2015-06-03_22_15_27_03017:20
bknudsonso it's 17 seconds and the rest is overhead17:20
tmcpeakahh17:20
tmcpeakthat makes more sense17:20
tmcpeakok cool, moving right along here17:21
tmcpeak#topic Other Business17:21
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tmcpeakanybody have anything else they'd like to mention here?17:21
michaelxinone of my guys asked how to get involved with code review.17:22
michaelxinDo we have a guidance somewhere? Thanks.17:22
tmcpeakoh cool michaelxin: I assume you mean security code review?17:22
fletcher_http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/developers.html#code-review17:22
michaelxintmcpeak: yes17:23
michaelxinThanks.17:23
tmcpeaknkinder__ was driving something like this a while back17:23
michaelxinIt is the same process as other review?17:24
tmcpeakwhich other review?17:24
tmcpeakmichaelxin: does he want to get involved in one project, or kind of any project?17:24
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michaelxinRight now, it is any project.17:24
michaelxinHe just wants to get involved and learned about openstack.17:25
michaelxinopenstack security17:25
nkinder__michaelxin: he should look for issues tagged with SecurityImpact17:25
nkinder__michaelxin: this is basically what is on the openstack-security ML17:25
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michaelxingot it. Thanks. nkinder__17:25
tmcpeakwhat else, anything?17:26
tmcpeaklooks like we might wrap early17:26
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sicarieYeah, I'm about to propose a rather significant change to the secguide17:26
sicarieThe current Compute chapter has always bothered me17:26
tmcpeaksicarie: cool, what's that17:26
bknudsonhttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/message:SecurityImpact,n,z17:26
sicarie#link http://docs.openstack.org/security-guide/content/compute.html17:26
sicarieThe chapter is entirely a discussion of spice vs vnc consoles17:26
sicarieso I've written an intro that gives a brief outline, and that's been merged17:27
tmcpeakyeah looks a little thin17:27
bknudsonwhat else is there in compute other than the console?17:27
sicarieAnd in addition to a few other things, I plan on pulling the hypervisor chapter in17:27
sicarie#link: http://docs.openstack.org/security-guide/content/hypervisor.html17:27
tmcpeakshouldn't this mention sVirt and such?17:27
bknudsonlike getting metadata and such?17:27
sicarietmcpeak: +1 it's in the Hypervisor chapter17:27
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bknudsonsetting passwords17:28
tmcpeakahh ok cool17:28
bknudsonyou must be able to inject a ssh key rather than have a password assigned17:28
tmcpeakyeah, sicarie - compute chapter could definitely be better :)17:28
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sicarieAnd the rest of what I want to create is here17:29
sicarie#link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/secguide-compute17:29
tmcpeaksicarie: nice!17:29
sicarieSo input on combining the chapters and currently planned sections would be appreciated17:29
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tmcpeakthis looks like it will be a great change17:29
sicariePlease feel free to edit the etherpad, and if you want co-authored credit make sure you leave your name17:29
tmcpeaklol: 6) Containers17:30
tmcpeak   - Please don't (yet)17:30
sicarieYeah, that's going to have quite a bit more in it than that17:30
tmcpeakcontainers - don't do it17:30
michaelxinhaha17:30
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sicarieit's going to have a breakdown of containerization types as well as coreos+container recommendations17:31
tmcpeakcool, this is good work sicarie17:31
michaelxinsicarie: +117:31
sicariethanks17:31
tmcpeakallright cool, anything else to mention?17:31
tmcpeakotherwise we'll call it for the week17:31
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bknudsonthanks17:32
nkinder__thanks all17:32
tmcpeakallright good stuff.. everybody remember to hit the etherpad if you want to go to the midcycle17:32
tmcpeak#endmeeting17:32
michaelxinthanks and bye17:32
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tmcpeakhave a good week everybody17:32
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alazarevhi Sahara folks18:00
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weitingHi18:01
alazarevSergey said he could be late and asked to start without him18:01
NikitaKonovalovhi18:01
huichun_hi18:01
apavlovhi18:01
alazarev#startmeeting sahara18:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Jun 11 18:01:55 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is alazarev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:01
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alazarev#topic sahara@horizon status (crobertsrh, NikitaKonovalov)18:02
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egafford\o18:02
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weitingalazarev, so Sahara has a meeting at this time, right?18:03
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NikitaKonovalovok, Sergey told me that there are some changes in reviewing policy18:03
alazarevweiting, yes, 1 week - this time, 1 week - yearly18:03
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NikitaKonovalovour panels, as well as trove's and heat's will be moved to contrib folder18:04
NikitaKonovalovand there our non-core +1 count18:04
NikitaKonovalovif that happens, we'll get things moving faster I think18:05
egaffordNikitaKonovalov: That sounds amazing.18:05
NikitaKonovalovI've got no more updates on horizon actually ))18:05
alazarev#topic News / updates18:05
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NikitaKonovalovI've started working towards splitting sahara and sahara-plugins repos18:06
huichun_working on scheduler EDP job , need for review for spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175719/18:06
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weitingWe are also working on to bring Manila into Sahara EDP.18:07
weitingWe had a hdfs driver that has already implemented in Manila.18:08
alazarevweiting, sound great!18:08
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crobertsrhhello/18:08
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tmckayhi folks18:09
egaffordJob interface main patch is review-worthy; working on client changes now (then scenario tests, then smaller feature upgrades, then Horizon changes, then profit.)18:09
SergeyLukjanovhey folks :)18:09
toskyweiting: so another type of data source?18:09
SergeyLukjanovjust arrived to home, completely forget about meeting :(18:09
crobertsrhI have patches up for the service and client library parts of job binary and data source editing.  Still need both specs to be approved and the job binaries part may need a few more tweaks.18:09
egaffordExcited for new Horizon review policy for those Horizon changes, as https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160510/ is still in review from Kilo. :p18:10
huichuntmckay:  hi Trevor ,need your review for scheduler edp spec18:10
weitingtosky, yes, this is what we would like to do. But currently Manila community is asking for a CI for hdfs driver.18:10
tmckayhuichuin, okay.  I've been fighting with neutron on a test cluster :) Takes lots of attention18:11
weitingBut we don't have the experience about CI. So we are asking for help to handle this.18:11
weitingIf there is no CI for this driver, it may be removed in Manila.18:11
tmckayweiting, we're thinking about Manila integration, too.  We think it can also potentially work with NFS shares (because Hadoop can write to local filesystem)18:12
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weitingtmckay, yes I agree.18:12
tmckay2 applications, we think.  1) data, of course 2) code -- so that binaries can live in the cluster and not be copied18:12
SergeyLukjanovweiting, are you exposing already installed HDFS through Manila or Manila could install HDFS?18:12
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tmckayweiting, we should make sure we collaborate :)18:13
weitingtmckay, ok, we haven't propose the bp. Because we are struggling in Manila CI.18:13
SergeyLukjanovweiting, re CI you could chat with degorenko, he's now sahara-ci maintaine18:13
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weitingSergeyLukjanov, yes, we have already finish HDFS driver in Manila.18:14
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tmckayweiting, understood.  We are at the POC point -- what is possible?  What makes sense from a high-level view in Sahara?18:14
SergeyLukjanovweiting, I mean - how it's working? it's exposing HDFS through Manila or it installs HDFS?18:14
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tmckayweiting, are thinking is maybe list available shares in a tenant and have a Sahara button to mount the share on the cluster nodes (from the UI)18:15
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weitingSergeyLukjanov, I think it is installs HDFS.18:15
SergeyLukjanovweiting, hm18:16
SergeyLukjanovtmckay, we could deploy a separated HDFS-only cluster for it as an option18:16
tmckaySergeyLukjanov, yes, that's another possibility18:17
tmckayanyway, we should have some ideas over the next few weeks.  Just starting.18:18
SergeyLukjanovhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/151523/13/manila/share/drivers/hdfs/hdfs_native.py,cm here is an impl18:18
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SergeyLukjanovlooks like it just creates dirs in HDFS as a shares18:19
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SergeyLukjanovand sets proper (not sure) ACLs for them18:19
SergeyLukjanovso, the HDFS itself seems to be installed manually18:19
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weitingSergeyLukjanov, oh I got your point.18:20
alazarev#chair SergeyLukjanov18:21
openstackCurrent chairs: SergeyLukjanov alazarev18:21
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SergeyLukjanovany other updates?18:22
tmckaySergeyLukjanov, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190656/ looks like it will pass but jenkins is complaining (wrongly) I think18:23
SergeyLukjanovbtw there is now eavesdrop site reworked - http://eavesdrop.openstack.org18:23
NikitaKonovalovSince we are going to have separate plugins repo I think should drop some old or deprecated plugins18:23
NikitaKonovalovboth vanilla and hdp now have hadoop v1 support which is not popular at all18:24
SergeyLukjanovtmckay, yup, rechecked18:24
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SergeyLukjanovNikitaKonovalov, please write a spec to drop them18:24
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SergeyLukjanovand I should publish first draft of the plugins specs early next week18:25
NikitaKonovalovok, I'll add that point to this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190613/18:25
SergeyLukjanovNikitaKonovalov, no, please, create a separate spec for Hadoop 1 drop18:25
NikitaKonovalov@SergeyLukjanov: ok18:26
SergeyLukjanovand 190613 now missing ~ 100 details, so, we'll need to work on it18:26
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SergeyLukjanov#topic Open discussion18:26
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SergeyLukjanovI have a question to you folks to think about18:27
SergeyLukjanovdo we need to have a virtual sprint?18:27
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SergeyLukjanovin fact it's few dedicate days when we're all will chat in irc channel on the prepared topics trying to solve real issues18:28
SergeyLukjanovlike the friday day on summit but using IRC18:28
SergeyLukjanovsome projects doing it18:28
SergeyLukjanovso, folks, what do you think about it?18:28
egaffordSergeyLukjanov: For design issues or impl?18:28
SergeyLukjanovegafford, for anything that could be solved by the whole team presence18:29
crobertsrhWe could probably give it a try at least once18:29
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SergeyLukjanovprobably we should try to collect list of topics to discuss18:30
SergeyLukjanovand if we'll have some reasonable list - make a try18:30
SergeyLukjanovany other thoughts? :)18:30
tmckayIt would be good I think to try to have some blueprints and specs ready for topics18:30
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tmckaySergeyLukjanov, I wonder if bluejeans would work instead of IRC18:30
SergeyLukjanovhere is a wiki page about it with a links to the past virtual sprints - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/VirtualSprints18:31
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tmckayI think talking is faster than typing18:31
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tmckaybut maybe connection speed is an issue18:32
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egaffordtmckay: BJ would work really well for untangling particularly tricky issues among subteams working on one part of a problem, but the whole team in BJ sounds tough to manage.18:33
egaffordtmckay: Maybe IRC and break into ad-hoc BJ sessions as needed would be the ideal?18:33
tmckaymaybe18:34
crobertsrhHave we ever considered a midcycle meetup?18:34
egaffordWe'd lose some centralization of the record, which is a downside.18:34
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tmckaymini-Summit18:34
toskyegafford: unless someone types the minutes on an etherpad18:35
SergeyLukjanovwhat is the BJ?18:36
huichun_BeiJing?18:36
egaffordSergeyLukjanov: It's like Skype. Video, voice, chat, screen sharing.18:36
egaffordAll the communication. :)18:36
SergeyLukjanovegafford, nice18:36
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SergeyLukjanovas an option we could use openstack's audio conference18:37
SergeyLukjanovit supports callins either phone and ip18:37
tmckayBJ is bluejeans18:37
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huichun_google hangouts?18:37
crobertsrhopenstack audio conf would be very "openstacky" of us18:37
tmckaythat could work too (hangouts)18:38
tmckayI envision audio like our Friday sessions at Summit.  We have a lot of people, but it's manageable I think18:38
crobertsrhOur Friday session this time around was certainly not "a lot" of people18:39
tmckaywell, 10 maybe?  at least before lunch ;-)18:40
crobertsrhFortunately for me, that means that not many people got to see me try to draw something on the whiteboard.18:40
tmckaythen someone told me it was over18:40
SergeyLukjanovcrobertsrh, :)18:40
SergeyLukjanovso, we could evaluate for some more time pros and cons for running virtual sprint18:41
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egaffordSergeyLukjanov: I don't really see that there are a ton of cons to the idea of running it. It would certainly pull focus to one issue, but that can be good. It'd need to be focused on issues broad enough to use the whole team, which is fine. It'd bring the whole team together to work, which is great.18:44
egaffordSergeyLukjanov: Only downside I can see is that it might be hard to schedule around any standing responsibilities folks have, but that's just the nature of things.18:45
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SergeyLukjanovagree18:45
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egaffordSergeyLukjanov: It might not work for us, but experimentation is good.18:45
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SergeyLukjanovyeah, it could make us able to actively (and hopefully effectiely) discuss some complex things18:48
egaffordSergeyLukjanov: I guess the other downside is that if it's not prepped well enough, folks might not have the relevant knowledge on tap to start in quickly, but that can be addressed with planning.18:48
SergeyLukjanovanything else to chat about today?18:48
egaffordSergeyLukjanov: On this topic, do you have any ideas for virtual sprints for us?18:49
SergeyLukjanovegafford, yeah, it's the common downside for any events like that18:49
SergeyLukjanovegafford, I'm thinking about discussing specs like extracting plugins, etc.18:50
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SergeyLukjanovsome complex stuff with many issues18:50
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SergeyLukjanovand on the other side we could probably chat about some on-going things and make some things done like small improvements and etc.18:50
SergeyLukjanovno good concrete proposals18:51
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egaffordYeah, that's a huge one, and makes a lot of sense. Taskflow from Summit springs to mind for me, too. Cool; thanks.18:51
crobertsrhOne thing that is needed is better tests for each panel in Horizon.  I added a blueprint to cover adding additional tests.  Anyone is free to help out on that effort as you have time.18:51
crobertsrhCurrent panel tests in Horizon are rather skeletal.18:51
SergeyLukjanovI've just looking on how other projects doing the virtual sprints and decided to share thoughts on it to see what are folks thinking about it18:51
SergeyLukjanovcrobertsrh, sounds like you're requesting a few weeks long hackaton :)18:52
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crobertsrhWell, in case anyone was bored and wanted to poke at Hoirzon :)18:52
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crobertsrhIt's not like the patches will ever get merged anyways :)18:52
huichun_hi guys~~ need your review comments for scheduler edp job   https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175719/18:53
SergeyLukjanovprobably the new review policy will help us and both crobertsrh and NikitaKonovalov will be happy18:53
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crobertsrhhopefully18:53
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SergeyLukjanov/ 5 mins left18:54
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SergeyLukjanovokay, looks like time to sleep18:57
SergeyLukjanovI mean to continue working :)18:57
SergeyLukjanovthank you folks!18:57
SergeyLukjanov(please keep thinking about virtual sprint options)18:57
huichun_bye18:57
weitingcYes, we are going to sleep in China.18:57
SergeyLukjanovhave a good rest of day18:57
SergeyLukjanov#endmeeting18:57
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SergeyLukjanovweitingc, in RU as well :)18:57
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amitgandhinz#startmeeting Poppy Weekly Meeting19:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Jun 11 19:01:30 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is amitgandhinz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'poppy_weekly_meeting'19:01
amitgandhinz#topic Roll Call19:01
tonytan4evero/19:01
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Obulpath_o/19:01
malinio/19:01
sriramo/19:01
sriramObulpath_: lol19:01
cathRo/19:01
Obulpath_hahha19:02
maliniObulpath_: sounds very medical19:02
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amitgandhinzwindows paths, linux paths, obul paths19:02
amitgandhinzhe's the new OS19:02
sriramObulpath_: path to salvation? :P19:02
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Obulpath_It should have been _Obulpathi19:02
sriramha19:02
Obulpath_but the _ got attached after the name, instead of before the name19:02
amitgandhinz#topic Last Week Recap19:03
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amitgandhinz#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-06-04-19.04.html19:03
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amitgandhinzyay action items !19:03
amitgandhinzsriram to add pig files to repo for log delivery19:03
sriramand I actually did mine this time lol19:03
amitgandhinzw00t!19:03
malinisriram: 10 min before the meeting ;)19:03
sriramhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/190755/19:03
amitgandhinzit counts =)19:04
sriramit hasnt even passed the jenkins gate yet ha. :P19:04
amitgandhinzlol19:04
maliniI was kidding p - of course19:04
amitgandhinznext - amitgandhinz to release K package19:04
amitgandhinzthis is done!19:04
sriramwoohoo19:04
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* sriram gets his party mode on19:04
Obulpath_Awesome!19:04
amitgandhinzhttps://launchpad.net/poppy/kilo/kilo-3 released!19:04
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amitgandhinznext - amitgandhinz to groom L1 series19:05
tonytan4everYay19:05
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amitgandhinzthis is done =)19:05
maliniyayy..we have a mission now19:05
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amitgandhinzhttps://launchpad.net/poppy/liberty19:06
amitgandhinzthis is liberty 1 https://launchpad.net/poppy/+milestone/liberty-119:06
amitgandhinzit is due on June 2519:06
amitgandhinznow hurry up and code =P19:06
Obulpath_hhaha ..19:07
Obulpath_we are on it19:07
maliniI was abt to ask for the e2e test updates - but not after u mentioned the date19:07
sriramah, I need to reference this bp in my patch: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/log-delivery19:07
sriramI'll do that shortly after the meeting19:07
srirambut yeah, after that we should be good.19:07
amitgandhinz#topic Discuss Liberty 1 Progress19:07
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amitgandhinz#link https://launchpad.net/poppy/+milestone/liberty-119:07
amitgandhinzso this release i kept it small but still aggressive19:08
amitgandhinzsince we only have a couple of weeks left in it19:08
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sriramis this bug still valid? https://bugs.launchpad.net/poppy/+bug/142118319:08
openstackLaunchpad bug 1421183 in Poppy "PATCH - Adding a second rule to an origin causes the service to go to failed state" [High,New]19:08
srirammalini: ^19:08
amitgandhinzidk the bugs just rolled over from kilo19:09
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amitgandhinz#action amitgandhinz and malini to groom the bugs19:09
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sriramyeah, we need 'em cleaned up19:09
maliniImagine 'groom the bug'19:09
amitgandhinzspiders are hairy19:09
sriramheh19:09
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amitgandhinzdid anantha make it into the channel?19:10
sriramget your groom on LOL19:10
amitgandhinzhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/host-header-forwarding19:10
ananthaYeah, I'm here19:10
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amitgandhinzodd, your name was not tab completing19:10
amitgandhinzcool, hows the progress on the host header forwarding19:10
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amitgandhinzthis is in review right19:11
amitgandhinzhttps://review.openstack.org/18985419:11
ananthaamitgandhinz: Yes it is in review. I have to modify some tests that assert the response body.19:12
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sriramanantha: awesome19:12
maliniwoot..woot..it has api tests <:o)19:12
amitgandhinzok cool.  great progress on this btw19:12
sriramanantha: jsut keep pestering people to review it :P19:12
ananthaLol, sure.19:12
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amitgandhinzhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/security-testing19:12
sriramoooo, security19:13
amitgandhinzmalini: any idea on the state of this one19:13
maliniI dont think mike has started on it19:13
maliniI will follow up19:13
amitgandhinzthere are already two patches19:13
amitgandhinzone was merged19:13
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amitgandhinzthe other one is in conflict19:13
amitgandhinz#action malini to sync up with michael xin regarding security tests19:14
sriramjian5397: ping19:14
malinijian5397: ^19:14
* sriram sees you hiding lol19:14
amitgandhinzoooh secret names19:14
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amitgandhinzlol19:14
michaelxinsriram: malini I am here19:14
michaelxinhi19:14
malinihello michaelxin!19:15
amitgandhinzhi =)19:15
sriramhello! :D19:15
amitgandhinzjust looking to get an update on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/security-testing19:15
michaelxinI talked with henry about this.19:15
michaelxinHe should be following up with you today.19:15
michaelxinI might go ahead and schedule a meeting so that we can have a concrete dates and actions19:15
michaelxinI will schedule a meeting.19:15
amitgandhinzcool.  i also want to get an idea of how much is left to submit etc19:16
amitgandhinzok moving on....19:16
amitgandhinzmiqui: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/devstack19:16
amitgandhinzany update on this?19:16
miquihi guys...19:16
miquisorry, no updates....am stuck on that one on and off...19:17
amitgandhinzok19:17
amitgandhinzsriram: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/log-delivery19:17
amitgandhinzyou said this was in review right?19:17
sriramyeh19:18
sriramjust need to update the commit message19:18
amitgandhinzcool19:18
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sriramwith implements bp19:18
amitgandhinztonytan4ever: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/geo-restrictions19:18
amitgandhinzthis one will soon need to be rebased to work since it was submitted a while back19:18
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tonytan4everYeah。19:18
tonytan4everI will rebase it.19:18
amitgandhinzthe good thing is that once we get that done, the IP restrictions https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/ip-restrictions will be exactly the same19:19
amitgandhinzjust change geo to ip ;-)19:19
tonytan4everThe PR is here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/163598/19:19
tonytan4everEveryone is sitll welcome to review.19:19
tonytan4everYeah19:19
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tonytan4everIP restriction should be similar.19:20
amitgandhinzwe also need to figure out what geo's we want poppy to accept and then translate to what the providers understand19:20
amitgandhinzi think that was my last comment19:20
tonytan4everYes.19:20
amitgandhinzwe can discuss that later though when we get to it19:20
amitgandhinzand last one - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/use-testr19:20
amitgandhinzthis one we did, and then reverted19:20
amitgandhinzwe need to figure out how to get the api tests running via testr, and also better jenkins integration with pretty reports19:21
Obulpath_yep19:21
amitgandhinzalso, cpowell told me that testr wasnt actually running the tests using tox, it was just returning success with no tests actually run19:21
amitgandhinzthis is a low priority for now though19:22
Obulpath_We forgot to set some env variables19:22
Obulpath_I fixed this in a pr, not sure if it got merged19:22
amitgandhinzoh ok19:22
Obulpath_the test discovery was failing19:22
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amitgandhinzok not going to go through the bugs since they need to be groomed and bathed19:22
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Obulpath_amitgandhinz: Can we add the bp for service enable/disable endpoint?19:23
Obulpath_to liberty-1?19:23
amitgandhinzyes, please submit a bp for that19:23
Obulpath_cool .. thanks :)19:23
Obulpath_will do it19:23
amitgandhinzany other bp that people are working on that i didnt cover19:24
sriramawesome, Obulpath_ once thats done, please update the commit message to say implements bp19:24
Obulpath_sure19:24
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amitgandhinzok19:24
amitgandhinz#topic Open Discussion19:24
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amitgandhinzanyone from Edgecast here today?19:25
miquiamitgandhinz: been and out due conferences/meetups .etc.... how did it go in last summit?19:25
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amitgandhinzmiqui: it went well.  you can read some of the summary in last weeks meeting logs http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/weekly_poppy_meeting/2015/weekly_poppy_meeting.2015-05-28-19.00.log.html19:25
miquigreat... thanks...19:26
amitgandhinzwe had some interest from highwinds cdn19:26
miquicool...19:26
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amitgandhinzalso edgecast cdn participated in last week's meeting19:26
amitgandhinzi guess slackorama couldnt make it today19:27
malinithey must be busy building the driver now ;)19:27
miquihave there been (or will there be) design meetings regarding the next direction for poppy?19:27
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amitgandhinzthere havent been any design meetings19:27
miquiamitgandhinz: k19:27
amitgandhinzi have set the areas for liberty cycle19:27
amitgandhinzhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/liberty19:27
miquik, thanks19:28
amitgandhinzbig areas are integrating with swift containers19:28
amitgandhinzand then doing a bunch of smaller features we are hearing customers ask for19:28
Obulpath_https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/enable-disable-service19:28
amitgandhinzi also want to get our openstack story good to see if we should make a bid for big tent19:28
Obulpath_can you please change the target for this bp to liberty-1?19:29
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sriramamitgandhinz: you mean swift containers as origin right?19:29
amitgandhinzya19:29
sriramcool19:29
Obulpath_thanks :)19:30
amitgandhinzany other topics for discussion?19:30
miquinot from me..thanks...just trying to get back in circulation...19:31
Obulpath_nothing from me19:31
tonytan4everNope19:31
sriramI'm good.19:31
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malinime too19:31
amitgandhinzok thanks everyone.  was a good meeting19:31
sriramsee ya19:31
amitgandhinz#endmeeting19:31
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