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| Kiall | #startmeeting Designate | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 27 17:00:52 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Kiall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:00 |
| Kiall | Hey folks, sorry.. forgot the time ;) | 17:01 |
| Kiall | Who's about? | 17:01 |
| timsim | o? | 17:01 |
| elarson | o/ | 17:01 |
| pglass | o/ | 17:01 |
| mugsie | o/ | 17:01 |
| ducttape_ | o/ | 17:01 |
| johnbelamaric | o/ | 17:01 |
| mlavalle | hi, attending my first designate meting | 17:01 |
| Kiall | hey mlavalle, welcome :) | 17:01 |
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| mlavalle | Kiall: just in case you don't know, this is Miguel | 17:01 |
| Kiall | Aha! I was about to ask :) | 17:01 |
| johnbelamaric | Thanks for merging the IB backend! | 17:02 |
| Kiall | johnbelamaric: no worries :) | 17:02 |
| rjrjr | o/ | 17:02 |
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| Kiall | Okay, So.. I suspect we'll keep this meeting short today :) | 17:02 |
| Kiall | No agenda items (as the agenda hasn't been updated since right before VC!) | 17:02 |
| Kiall | And, no actions from our previous meet. Right.. | 17:03 |
| Kiall | #topic Bug triage (timsim - recurring) | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bug triage (timsim - recurring) (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 17:03 | |
| timsim | Just a couple.... | 17:03 |
| jmcbride | o/ | 17:03 |
| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1458945 | 17:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1458945 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Use graduated oslo.policy instead of oslo-incubator code" [Undecided,New] | 17:03 |
| Kiall | Wait - We don't already do that? | 17:03 |
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| timsim | I believe so | 17:04 |
| Kiall | https://github.com/openstack/designate/blob/master/requirements.txt#L40 | 17:04 |
| mugsie | i think we do | 17:04 |
| mugsie | this bug was opened against all the projects | 17:04 |
| timsim | Yeah | 17:04 |
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| timsim | So we just need to mark that it no longer affects us | 17:04 |
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| Kiall | Ah, someone opened it against every project. Okay, Close + Done ;) | 17:04 |
| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-designateclient/+bug/1455083 | 17:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1455083 in python-designateclient "record create call ignores 'description' param" [Undecided,Incomplete] - Assigned to DIV (div-unknown) | 17:04 |
| mugsie | high - l1 ? | 17:05 |
| timsim | Has anyone confirmed that | 17:05 |
| Kiall | Humm, I saw that one land.. I actually think it's a bug in the V1 API. Let's move to designate and yea.. High.. Anyone able to try tackle it? | 17:05 |
| mugsie | i will | 17:05 |
| Kiall | I haven't, but looking at it, I can bet I know what it is. | 17:05 |
| mugsie | mark it as triaged, and assign to me | 17:06 |
| mugsie | I will dig into it this week | 17:06 |
| timsim | Alright. I'll move it to Designate and mark it l1 - high, and assign to mugsie | 17:06 |
| mugsie | :) | 17:06 |
| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-designateclient/+bug/1458130 | 17:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1458130 in python-designateclient "Missing Logger Handler" [Undecided,New] | 17:06 |
| mugsie | wishlist | 17:06 |
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| Kiall | Actually, Not a bug | 17:06 |
| mugsie | well, it is a bug | 17:06 |
| Kiall | if there using the bindings directly, it up to their app to configure logging. | 17:07 |
| mugsie | it shows for all CLI operations as well | 17:07 |
| Kiall | That's a different one ;) | 17:07 |
| Kiall | No handlers could be found for logger "keystoneclient.auth.identity.base" vs the client wich gives out about oslo.config, which is one we need to fix.. | 17:07 |
| mugsie | ok, then close with some description of ^? | 17:08 |
| Kiall | Gah - 4 different chat programs beeping at once.. | 17:08 |
| Kiall | Yea, I think so.. | 17:08 |
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| Kiall | timsim: was that the last new one to review? | 17:09 |
| timsim | Alright, will do. | 17:09 |
| timsim | Yep | 17:09 |
| johnbelamaric | Sorry folks, I have to drop off, I just found out I need to pick my son up from school - he missed the bus! | 17:09 |
| Kiall | johnbelamaric: emjoy :) | 17:09 |
| Kiall | enjoy* | 17:09 |
| johnbelamaric | thanks | 17:09 |
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| Kiall | Okay, since the agenda was empty and recurring stuff is done... | 17:09 |
| Kiall | #topic Open Discussion | 17:09 |
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| Kiall | So - mlavalle - I had some Q's re the Designate/Neutron stuff.. | 17:10 |
| * mlavalle listening | 17:10 | |
| Kiall | Specifically around cleaning up the specs and getting those merged, should one of us take them over from Carl and start that? | 17:10 |
| Kiall | (obv, checking with carl_baldwin first ;)) | 17:11 |
| mlavalle | Kiall: I will be taking care of both | 17:11 |
| Kiall | Okay, excellent - Wanted to make sure it wasn't dropped or done twice :) | 17:11 |
| mlavalle | actually the Neutron side was approved this morning by the Neutron drivers | 17:11 |
| Kiall | Oh nice, I missed that :) | 17:11 |
| mlavalle | I'll clean it up and get it merged | 17:11 |
| carl_baldwin | +1 | 17:11 |
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| mlavalle | on the nova side, I went to this session after our meeting in Vancouver: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-nova-network | 17:12 |
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| mlavalle | if you got to the end, the Priority section, you will see our project listed in number 4 | 17:13 |
| mlavalle | the nova PTL commited during that session to get it done | 17:13 |
| Kiall | Excellent.. We may actually pull this heist off. | 17:13 |
| mlavalle | he asked me to ping him this week | 17:13 |
| mlavalle | and I am starting to work on the code | 17:14 |
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| Kiall | Okay, so I know for me, getting all this done this cycle is #1 for me.. We've talked about it for SO long, and people keep asking for it. | 17:14 |
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| Kiall | I'll grab Sean if he's around today to talk DevStack stuff.. See if I can get our devstack plugin merged, so it's easier to work with it. | 17:14 |
| mlavalle | great, I can report weekly on progress | 17:14 |
| Kiall | Thanks :) | 17:15 |
| Kiall | Okay - So, for those who didn't make it to the summit! Did anyone have concerns after reading the specs? | 17:15 |
| rjrjr | i am good. | 17:15 |
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| Kiall | rjrjr: Q - You guys implemented something like this with sink, does the proposed solution cover your use cases? | 17:16 |
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| Kiall | (It may not, and I guess I consider this a first step towards allowing more complex stuff down the line) | 17:16 |
| rjrjr | i'll have to look specifically at how cells are handled. | 17:17 |
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| rjrjr | but the rest seems okay. | 17:17 |
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| Kiall | cool :) Ping me or mlavalle if you spot any concerns, your deploy is probably about as complex as OpenStack deploys can get ;) | 17:18 |
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| rjrjr | will do. | 17:18 |
| Kiall | Okay.. Moving on.. I had one other thing I wanted to quicky discuss.. Before I do, since it'll take me a min or two to write... Anyone else have off-agenda items? | 17:19 |
| elarson | if folks have a minute: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164748/ | 17:19 |
| elarson | hook points ^^^ | 17:19 |
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| timsim | Should we make sure that someone is assigned to write up all the sessions that need writing up from last week? | 17:20 |
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| Kiall | Yes, if etherpad wasn't disconnecting me I was starting to fill https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/designate-vancouver out | 17:21 |
| Kiall | (I totally got the days confused, so had no prep done for this meet ;)) | 17:21 |
| rjrjr | i also need to review 3 specifications (hopefully for liberty) with the group. when would be a good time for that? | 17:21 |
| mugsie | i think we handed out write ups to people on the day didnt we? | 17:21 |
| Kiall | Yea, I'm writing the names I remember down ;) | 17:22 |
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| mugsie | rjrjr: are they all final now? | 17:22 |
| rjrjr | yes. | 17:23 |
| rjrjr | barring changes from the team of course. :) | 17:23 |
| mugsie | I think we should aim to have everyone do reviews this week, then re-cap either next week or the week after (next was supposed to be a recap of the summit) | 17:23 |
| Kiall | rjrjr: the summit ended up with either full slots, or too tired to move! I think we should find a slot early next week (Mon/Tue) to dicuss those .. | 17:23 |
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| rjrjr | okay. i can work with mugsie on setting something up early next week. | 17:24 |
| rjrjr | (if he is available.) | 17:24 |
| Kiall | or what mugsie said.. next weeks meet we intend to review all the summit sessions etc, not sure we'll be able to squeeze 3x BPs in there too :) | 17:24 |
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| Kiall | (and I'm still catching up from getting back, so couldn't discuss them with any real insight today) | 17:25 |
| timsim | Early next week sounds good. | 17:25 |
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| rjrjr | video conference for the session review? | 17:25 |
| mugsie | rjrjr: I am availible - ping me later on | 17:26 |
| mugsie | VC might be a good Idea | 17:26 |
| rjrjr | thx mugsie. | 17:26 |
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| Kiall | rjrjr: Yea, I suspect that's going to be easier than the IRC meet for the review.. It's mostly a "Did we really agree on this? Do we still agree to this?" session ;) | 17:26 |
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| Kiall | rjrjr: So, you can fire out an email to everyone re a meet on Mon/Tue for those 3 specs? | 17:27 |
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| rjrjr | yes. i'll work with mugsie on that since he has most of the contacts. | 17:27 |
| Kiall | mugsie: can you do the usual GH invite? mlavalle: have you got Google Hangouts? | 17:27 |
| mugsie | yup | 17:27 |
| mlavalle | mlavalle: no, I don't | 17:28 |
| mugsie | I might look at getting bluejeans though - we might be over the limit of Hangouts | 17:28 |
| Kiall | Humm.. Okay.. Let's start with the Nova/Neutron one IRC then :) | 17:28 |
| mugsie | #action mugsie look at VC sollution for review | 17:28 |
| mlavalle | Kiall: we use something called Vydio internally. Let me find out if I can use that with external people. I'll get back to you | 17:29 |
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| Kiall | mlavalle: I don't think I have your email, could you PM me your email? :) | 17:29 |
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| Kiall | Okay, Let's move on mugsie and rjrjr will organize the rest OOB. | 17:29 |
| Kiall | Any other off-agenda topics? | 17:29 |
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| timsim | nope | 17:30 |
| rjrjr | i'm good. | 17:30 |
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| Kiall | Okay, I knew it would be a short meeting :) | 17:31 |
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| rjrjr | kiall: you had something, correct? | 17:32 |
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| Kiall | it was the writeup owners.. I was filling them out as tim asked about it ;) | 17:32 |
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| Kiall | (BTW - Write up can be a full spec, which is needed anyway, or a new etherpad with the description/list of things etc agreed..) | 17:32 |
| Kiall | Okay - Thanks all, Same time here next week.. We'll move to VC after the Nova/Neutron piece.. or straight away if mugsie finds something that works for everyone! | 17:33 |
| Kiall | #endmeeing | 17:33 |
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| Kiall | #endmeeting | 17:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Vancouver Design Summit (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 17:33 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 27 17:33:52 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-05-27-17.00.html | 17:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-05-27-17.00.txt | 17:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-05-27-17.00.log.html | 17:33 |
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| SlickNik | #startmeeting Trove | 17:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 27 17:59:10 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Trove)" | 17:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 17:59 |
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| edmondk | o/ | 17:59 |
| atomic77 | o/ | 17:59 |
| SlickNik | Hello and welcome back from the Summit! | 17:59 |
| mvandijk | o/ | 18:00 |
| sushilkm | hello :) | 18:00 |
| SlickNik | Meeting agenda for today is at: | 18:00 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 18:00 |
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| pmalik | *\o/* | 18:00 |
| peterstac | o/ | 18:00 |
| SlickNik | Quite a busy agenda for today. | 18:01 |
| danritchie | o/ | 18:01 |
| amrith | ./ | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | #topic Trove pulse update | 18:01 |
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| SlickNik | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-pulse-update | 18:01 |
| vkmc | o/ | 18:01 |
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| georgelorch | o/ | 18:02 |
| ashleighfarnham | o/ | 18:02 |
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| dougshelley66 | o/ | 18:02 |
| SlickNik | Looks like we're still pulling in ~100 reviews a week. | 18:02 |
| vgnbkr | o/ | 18:02 |
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| SlickNik | A lot more patches coming in — I see that Total Open Reviews number going up to ~46 now. | 18:04 |
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| vkmc | \o/ | 18:04 |
| SlickNik | Lots of activity after the summit! | 18:05 |
| SlickNik | Let's move on — a lot to cover this meeting. :) | 18:05 |
| amrith | i think victoria wants to say something ;) | 18:05 |
| peterstac | yeah, there's still a fair number of specs that need review | 18:05 |
| SlickNik | Go for it, vkmc | 18:05 |
| vkmc | haha no, I'm celebrating for the progress after summit :) | 18:05 |
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| amrith | sorry | 18:05 |
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| amrith | let's move on as you said | 18:05 |
| vkmc | thanks amrith | 18:06 |
| amrith | lots to do today | 18:06 |
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| SlickNik | #topic hacking rules | 18:06 |
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| amrith | <paste-bomb> | 18:06 |
| amrith | Changes being proposed introduce checks for E128, E265, E713, H238, E111, E122, E123, E128, E251, E265, E713, H105, H306, H404. In the past (most recently 2014-07) we discussed some of these (H306, 404) and decided not to take them. | 18:06 |
| amrith | I've looked at many of these hacking rules and they seem to provide little if any benefit to us. I'm dubious about taking them and would like to avoid the (IMHO, needless) churn. | 18:06 |
| amrith | I am definitely not in favor of doing this as multiple changes in one project because of the number of files being changed, in a couple of cases, more than once and the attendant merge conflicts they are bound to bring. | 18:06 |
| amrith | </paste-bomb> | 18:06 |
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| edmondk | I am a fan of the one with the import order because I am tired of people commenting about it in reviews and rather have it mechanical | 18:07 |
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| pmalik | On the other hand, once the churn is over PEP8 handles enforcing the rules... | 18:07 |
| sushilkm | same was my intent also behind 306 because it was raised too many times in reviews | 18:08 |
| amrith | I agree, I had a patch set on that and was going to discuss at the meeting before submitting. but I was scooped. | 18:08 |
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| vkmc | I'm not sure how much benefit brings us to us to follow all those hacking rules | 18:08 |
| pmalik | I think that more rules are enforced by the infrastructure the less likely we end up arguing about style... | 18:08 |
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| edmondk | the more we can bullet proof the coding style the less trivial comments on reviews | 18:08 |
| vkmc | edmondk++ | 18:09 |
| amrith | well, I'm ok with H306 (import order). | 18:09 |
| vkmc | that's true | 18:09 |
| sushilkm | +1, thats what styles are for | 18:09 |
| amrith | but why do we want the rest | 18:09 |
| amrith | yes, there are lots of styles, why stop here | 18:09 |
| amrith | I can find a dozen more hacking rules to enable | 18:09 |
| amrith | and make the same argument; that tox will enforce it | 18:09 |
| amrith | and there are new 'rules' added regularly | 18:09 |
| amrith | so where does this stop? | 18:09 |
| amrith | I say we take H306 and deep-six the rest. | 18:09 |
| SlickNik | I'm not sure what each one of the rest are — perhaps some of these actually improve readability of the code? | 18:09 |
| amrith | that's my vote | 18:09 |
| atomic77 | If people are commenting on something it's probably worth enforcing with a rule | 18:10 |
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| amrith | but they aren't except for H306 | 18:11 |
| amrith | We had much the same discussion in 2014-07 | 18:11 |
| edmondk | I have to look at each rule | 18:11 |
| amrith | and we decided not to take all of these rules. | 18:11 |
| edmondk | Not sure what they all are off hand | 18:11 |
| amrith | E128: continuation line under-indented | 18:12 |
| amrith | I have the list | 18:12 |
| amrith | if you'd like | 18:12 |
| amrith | ;) | 18:12 |
| SlickNik | Yes, I agree. I think we are being a little hypocritical here — if someone comments on a patch with a style change that improves readability, we say that we shouldn't do that since it's not enforced by pep8. And at the same time we are stringent on letting style checks merge. | 18:12 |
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| edmondk | amrith: If you can paste the list of rules with a description that would be helpful | 18:13 |
| amrith | SlickNik, with the exception of H306, we aren't | 18:13 |
| amrith | E128, E265, E713, H238, E111, E122, E123, E128, E251, E265, E713, H105, H306, H404 | 18:13 |
| amrith | Oh, description | 18:13 |
| amrith | yes, will paste that | 18:13 |
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| johnma | I thought E128 was already enforced. maybe I am wrong | 18:13 |
| pmalik | Everything is in the commit msg: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184606/ | 18:13 |
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| amrith | - E111 indentation is not a multiple of four - E122 continuation line missing indentation or outdented - E123 closing bracket does not match indentation of opening bracket's line - E128 continuation line under-indented for visual indent - E251 unexpected spaces around keyword / parameter equals - E265 block comment should start with '# ' - E713 test for membership should be 'not in' - H105 Don't use author tags - | 18:14 |
| amrith | H306 imports not in alphabetical order | 18:14 |
| sushilkm | a lot of times the review comments people have suggested that since a style check is not enforced under pep8 so it should not be a reason of -1 review, so why not just enable it under pep8 | 18:14 |
| edmondk | https://gist.github.com/anonymous/24979ad5a984d25db653 | 18:14 |
| amrith | thx edmondk | 18:14 |
| vkmc | maybe it would be nice to do it once and for all | 18:14 |
| pmalik | I think either let's either accept them all or ignore them all and move onto the next issue... | 18:14 |
| vkmc | so we avoid future confusion | 18:14 |
| amrith | Just to be clear ... after all these changes, the ignore line is still | 18:15 |
| amrith | F821,H237,H238,H301,H305,H307,H402,H404,H405,H407,H501,H904 | 18:15 |
| amrith | why not enable those also? | 18:15 |
| amrith | And I have a dozen or so more that I'd like to enable ;) | 18:15 |
| edmondk | I like most of these actually | 18:15 |
| edmondk | closing bracket does not match indentation of opening bracket's line is a good one | 18:16 |
| sushilkm | i would give my +1 for enabling them | 18:16 |
| edmondk | without it code is actually harder to read | 18:16 |
| atomic77 | i'd argue that we should take a rule unless we can identify a good reason why we don't need it | 18:16 |
| SlickNik | amrith: because someone hasn't done the work for that as yet. | 18:16 |
| SlickNik | If it improves the code, I wouldn't be opposed to enabling them all. | 18:16 |
| amrith | so SlickNik these changes change a lot of files. | 18:16 |
| amrith | could we do them as one commit | 18:16 |
| amrith | rather than four or five? | 18:16 |
| edmondk | yeah I dont mind all pep8 rules on if the code is currently fixed to allow them | 18:16 |
| amrith | the merges alone are a pain | 18:16 |
| ashleighfarnham | I think one commit makes the most sense even though it is probably going to be a monster review | 18:17 |
| amrith | anyway, we've discussed this for 15 minutes. I say we decide one way or another and move on. | 18:17 |
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| vkmc | maybe we could have a hacking rules week, and do that in separate patches in order | 18:17 |
| amrith | personally, I'm opposed to all of them except H306 (ordering of imports). | 18:17 |
| vkmc | so we don't have to deal with merging stuff | 18:17 |
| SlickNik | I think merging and fixing merge conflicts are a way of life in any big open source project. | 18:18 |
| SlickNik | Yes, I'm inclined to just take these and move on. | 18:19 |
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| edmondk | +1 for me for merging the patches that are already out | 18:19 |
| sushilkm | the style check patches should not be difficult to review if they pass the gates :) | 18:19 |
| sushilkm | i am also in favor of doing them in one go | 18:19 |
| SlickNik | So that we don't end up wasting time talking about trivial style issues, and that our style doesn't drift from the rest of the OpenStack codebase. | 18:19 |
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| edmondk | it will only help our code be more consistent which is critical to a project that is spread out among many different developers | 18:20 |
| vkmc | so... merge the ones that are up and create a massive one for all the other hacking rules? | 18:20 |
| pmalik | OK, then since Sushil has already been working on those he may want to take it as a little projects and incorporate them all in a single patch set? | 18:20 |
| edmondk | I don't personally care if we do all the other hacking rules now | 18:21 |
| SlickNik | edmondk: ++ | 18:21 |
| edmondk | the one's that sushil has done is fine | 18:21 |
| amrith | I would STRONGLY urge that we merge them into one patch set | 18:21 |
| dougshelley66 | i take it that someone in the community feels it is worth it to invest in this kind of work? | 18:21 |
| amrith | it will make merging these changes easier | 18:21 |
| edmondk | yeah merging into one patch set is fine with me | 18:21 |
| dougshelley66 | ie. we are all being paid by someone | 18:21 |
| SlickNik | dougshelley66: I suspect the fact that these rules have made it into hacking means that this is the case. | 18:21 |
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| dougshelley66 | well given my limited budget, i don't believe i would pay for this vs doing other work | 18:22 |
| edmondk | agreed that's why I am not saying to do all the hacking rules | 18:22 |
| edmondk | unless someone wants to go do it | 18:22 |
| shayneburgess | +1 | 18:22 |
| edmondk | we have more important features obviously | 18:22 |
| edmondk | sushilkm: merge your hacking rules patch sets into one and lets move on | 18:23 |
| SlickNik | dougshelley66: and that's okay — the question is not whether we should drop everything else to go do this — the question is if someone puts up a patch with it done, should we allow it. | 18:23 |
| edmondk | yup | 18:23 |
| dougshelley66 | SlickNik, ok | 18:23 |
| vkmc | hmm its an open source project after all | 18:23 |
| sushilkm | so h404 would take a lot of time since it has another one which shud be incorporated 405 | 18:24 |
| sushilkm | but yes i have done h306 with rest of them | 18:24 |
| SlickNik | sushilkm: just combine the patches into one | 18:24 |
| amrith | an open source project does not imply that 'any' contribution shall be accepted. just saying. | 18:24 |
| vkmc | that's for sure | 18:24 |
| sushilkm | so do we want say that all pep8 ignores would be fixed in one go or none would be | 18:25 |
| amrith | well, sorry to have brought it up. I thought this would be a 5 minute -1 like it was the last time around. this is just going to cost a bunch of us some hours to merge. ah well. too bad. | 18:25 |
| vkmc | but anybody is allowed to submit a change, and we are part of a bigger project that suggests following the rules we mentioned earlier | 18:25 |
| edmondk | sushilkm: whichever rules you have fixed currently merge those in one patch and submit the review | 18:26 |
| edmondk | sushilkm: you don't need to do anymore | 18:26 |
| SlickNik | sushilkm: no not all pep8 ignores in one go — just the ones that we're currently fixing submitted as one patch. | 18:26 |
| SlickNik | Okay, enough time on this — let's move on. | 18:26 |
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| SlickNik | #topic Setting trove meeting agenda through git | 18:27 |
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| amrith | Now that this file is available for edit on gerrit, it may be easier to update the contents (maybe)? | 18:27 |
| amrith | that's all I had to say | 18:27 |
| amrith | if there's nothing to do, let's move on. | 18:27 |
| peterstac | It's not that onerous to update the wiki page ... | 18:28 |
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| SlickNik | amrith: I think this is for the meeting schedule | 18:28 |
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| amrith | SlickNik, there's some old information there that could be changed; that's all, nothing major. moving along ... | 18:29 |
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| amrith | I figured that since it is now in gerrit it may be easier. | 18:29 |
| amrith | no biggie | 18:29 |
| amrith | we can talk about this offline, doesn't have to be here given there is more on the agenda | 18:29 |
| amrith | that is more important | 18:29 |
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| SlickNik | yup — I don't think this actually moves the meetings' agenda into git. Just the meeting schedule is in git and published to ical now. | 18:30 |
| SlickNik | eg. http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Technical%20Committee%20Meeting | 18:30 |
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| peterstac | SlickNik: Right, for the meeting schedule for all the projects, not the meeting agenda | 18:30 |
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| SlickNik | Let's move on — we can take this offline for further discussion. | 18:30 |
| SlickNik | #topic Switching blueprint ownership/details | 18:31 |
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| peterstac | If you read the comments I wrote in the agenda, it should be evident what my issue was | 18:31 |
| peterstac | I threw up a spec for Redis backup/restore but couldn't update the corresponding bp | 18:32 |
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| peterstac | Then someone put up a patchset implementing it ... | 18:32 |
| vkmc | hm, that's too bad | 18:32 |
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| peterstac | Just wanted to know what the proper procedure is or should be | 18:32 |
| vkmc | did you get in touch with the contributor peterstac? | 18:33 |
| peterstac | vkmc, not yet. This happened this morning | 18:33 |
| peterstac | The bp was originally submitted by Denis M. and I tried to point it to the spec, but couldn't edit it | 18:33 |
| SlickNik | peterstac: as an aside, we should figure out why you're not able to edit the bp and fix that. | 18:34 |
| SlickNik | peterstac: Also seems reasonable to leave a comment in the code with a -1 saying that the code doesn't implement the spec that's out there for it, and reach out to the person who put up the code to see if they're interested in collaborating on an implementation. | 18:35 |
| peterstac | SlickNik: yep, I probably should have mentioned that to you when I discovered it :( | 18:35 |
| johnma | +1 SlickNik | 18:35 |
| SlickNik | #action SlickNik + peterstac to figure out why some BPs are not editable by contributors | 18:35 |
| peterstac | SlickNik, I did put a comment on the commit - I'll send out an email directly to the person too | 18:36 |
| vkmc | +1 SlickNik | 18:37 |
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| SlickNik | Sounds good, peterstac. Thanks! | 18:37 |
| peterstac | I just wanted to make sure that we avoid this in the future - we've got enough to do that we don't need people duplicating work | 18:37 |
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| edmondk | agreed | 18:37 |
| SlickNik | ++ | 18:38 |
| vkmc | this is quite a common situation, for bugs at least, first time I see someone starts working on a blueprint without asking | 18:38 |
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| SlickNik | Yes, it's generally a good idea to mention in the bug or bp that you're working on it. | 18:39 |
| SlickNik | I've seen cases where even that didn't help — but hopefully we won't have too many of those. :) | 18:39 |
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| SlickNik | Let's keep going with the agenda. | 18:40 |
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| SlickNik | #topic Trove production deploy. Security concerns and how are we going to tackle those. | 18:40 |
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| vkmc | I submitted that one :) | 18:40 |
| vkmc | so, during the summit we discussed about what is the best way for deploying Trove in production | 18:40 |
| vkmc | and we talked about several options | 18:40 |
| vkmc | my question is... do we know if there is a preferred way already? | 18:41 |
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| edmondk | in the summit we mentioned a couple solutions. First was having everything under a trove tenant, and for this we need to provide an alternate nova_client in remote.py | 18:42 |
| SlickNik | vkmc: Yes, because of the security concern of deploying trove instances into users' individual tenants — we've always deployed trove into either a trove tenant (or a separate mapped tenant per user). | 18:42 |
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| vkmc | yeah, I'm aware of that | 18:42 |
| johnma | who is working/going to work on the doc for this? | 18:42 |
| SlickNik | I've been working on cleaning up some code we have for an alternate remote.py that would do this, and pushing a patchset up for that. | 18:42 |
| edmondk | This is a different problem then the rabbitmq issue though | 18:42 |
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| vkmc | edmondk, yeah... but it kinda includes the rabbitmq issue | 18:43 |
| SlickNik | johnma / vkmc: I am planning on also pushing up a doc to suggest how you can use the alternate remote.py to create instances in a separate trove tenant. | 18:44 |
| johnma | cool, thanks SlickNik | 18:44 |
| SlickNik | Any volunteers to help me with this? | 18:44 |
| vkmc | SlickNik, that sounds good | 18:44 |
| vkmc | I would love to help with that SlickNik | 18:44 |
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| edmondk | I am still unclear what our solution for rabbitmq issue is | 18:45 |
| vkmc | for the long run, though, maybe the nova private instance makes sense? | 18:45 |
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| vkmc | it doesn't fix the rabbitmq situation, but at least it makes it less trivial to access to instances | 18:46 |
| amrith | SlickNik, sign me up | 18:46 |
| dougshelley66 | I had heard that Bruno from Catalyst entered a nova blueprint for this - does anyone have a link | 18:46 |
| SlickNik | edmondk: The only one that I've seen is to set up a seperate vhost / user for each guest | 18:46 |
| amrith | I have been writing it anyway | 18:46 |
| amrith | for other reasons | 18:46 |
| amrith | I have about 20 pages worth already | 18:46 |
| amrith | ;) | 18:46 |
| vkmc | w00t | 18:46 |
| SlickNik | vkmc / amrith: sounds good. | 18:46 |
| vkmc | that's awesome amrith :) | 18:46 |
| vkmc | dougshelley66, AFAIK that is not up yet | 18:47 |
| SlickNik | Yes, for the long term, I think the nova hosted (private) vm approach makes more sense. | 18:47 |
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| SlickNik | We kicked off some conversations regarding that at the summit. | 18:47 |
| vkmc | cool | 18:47 |
| dougshelley66 | SlickNik there was a blueprint entered - do we know where that is | 18:47 |
| SlickNik | Bruno was going to draft a use case doc and float that to nova / cinder. | 18:48 |
| dougshelley66 | ah ok so he hasn't entered it yet? | 18:48 |
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| SlickNik | But I haven't heard from him yet. | 18:48 |
| SlickNik | dougshelley66: Yes, nothing yet. | 18:48 |
| SlickNik | We might have to pick up where he left off. | 18:49 |
| amrith | SlickNik, I'm happy to write it and send it up | 18:49 |
| amrith | I have most of the stuff for that anyway | 18:49 |
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| amrith | I can send it to bruno if someone has his email address handy | 18:49 |
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| SlickNik | amrith: let's give him another day or so — if not, let us do that. | 18:49 |
| SlickNik | I'd like to get on this as soon as we can to give it any chance of actually landing this cycle (which might still be a stretch). | 18:50 |
| vkmc | amrith, let us know how we can help | 18:50 |
| vkmc | SlickNik, +1 | 18:50 |
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| amrith | well, bruno has to get to new zealand | 18:51 |
| amrith | that means he will be swimming for some days from sydney | 18:51 |
| amrith | I believe that's the quickest way there | 18:51 |
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| ashleighfarnham | amrith: can confirm. fastest | 18:51 |
| amrith | or wait till the next movie crew for some JRR-T movie decides to go to NZ. | 18:51 |
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| SlickNik | okay, let's move on. | 18:52 |
| SlickNik | I'm not sure we can wait for the next Tolkien movie :) | 18:53 |
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| vkmc | I'm sure I can't | 18:53 |
| SlickNik | #topic Trove multitenancy | 18:53 |
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| amrith | if it turns out to be the hobbit, not worth waiting ... moving along. | 18:53 |
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| vkmc | that's another thing I wanted to ask | 18:53 |
| vkmc | probably you discussed about this several times | 18:53 |
| vkmc | so we can discuss it later if we don't have enough time now | 18:54 |
| vkmc | but, my question is, has this ever been discussed? or is that out of our plans, by design? | 18:54 |
| amrith | i suggest we get started, I'd like to know what the question is. | 18:54 |
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| vkmc | there you go ^ | 18:54 |
| amrith | or putting it differently, the use-case. | 18:54 |
| SlickNik | vkmc: This topic has come up a couple of times before. Our stance has been that since we don't get into the data layer — we always provision instances per tenant. Hence we're not getting into a multi-tenant model. | 18:55 |
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| vkmc | so, if you are in a public cloud and you want to provision datastores for different tenants | 18:56 |
| vkmc | you cannot do that? | 18:57 |
| dougshelley66 | vkmc, you cannot do what? | 18:57 |
| vkmc | access to provisioned datastores from different tenants | 18:58 |
| dougshelley66 | sharing a provisioned datastore across tenants? | 18:58 |
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| vkmc | yeah | 18:58 |
| vgnbkr | That would be a huge security hole unless the database specifically supported it. | 18:58 |
| SlickNik | So this is a longer discussion that we have time for. | 18:59 |
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| amrith | does something prevent it right now? i.e. if one tenant launched a database he or she could allow another tenant to connect to it by suitable networking magic, no? | 18:59 |
| SlickNik | Let's take it to the trove room. | 18:59 |
| vkmc | right | 19:00 |
| vkmc | sure, thanks SlickNik | 19:00 |
| amrith | thx | 19:00 |
| SlickNik | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 27 19:00:10 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-05-27-17.59.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-05-27-17.59.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-05-27-17.59.log.html | 19:00 |
| SlickNik | Thanks all! | 19:00 |
| vkmc | thanks all | 19:00 |
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| sushilkm | thank you everyone | 19:00 |
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| sgordon | belated, but who is about for the telcowg meeting? | 19:10 |
| sgordon | there was a mix up with the time on the wiki | 19:10 |
| sgordon | i have just sent an email to openstack-operators with a summit summary and clarification of times going forward | 19:10 |
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| xgerman | #startmeeting Octavia | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 27 20:00:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xgerman. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:00 |
| dougwig | o/ | 20:00 |
| johnsom | o/ | 20:00 |
| xgerman | #chair blogan | 20:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: blogan xgerman | 20:00 |
| Aish | o/ | 20:00 |
| jwarendt | o/ | 20:00 |
| blogan | hi! | 20:00 |
| xgerman | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Octavia/Weekly_Meeting_Agenda#Meeting_2015-05-27 | 20:00 |
| xgerman | #topic Announcements | 20:01 |
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| ajmiller_ | o/ | 20:01 |
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| rm_work | o/ | 20:01 |
| ajmiller | 0/ | 20:01 |
| xgerman | Midcycle: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/LBaaS-FWaaS-VPNaaS_Summer_Midcycle_meetup | 20:01 |
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| xgerman | please sign up | 20:01 |
| blogan | is fwaas and vpnaas joining? or is it only lbaas now? | 20:02 |
| trevhole | o/ | 20:02 |
| xgerman | good question - Paul said he can’t make it | 20:02 |
| xgerman | so it might be very LBaaS centric | 20:02 |
| blogan | haven't heard from fwaas guys? | 20:02 |
| dougwig | it is just lbaas. | 20:02 |
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| dougwig | i spoke to both earlier. | 20:02 |
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| xgerman | well, where are they meeting? | 20:03 |
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| dougwig | you are assuming they are doing a mid cycle. | 20:03 |
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| dougwig | and i don't see one: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints | 20:03 |
| ajmiller | There wasn't any specific discussion of a VPNaaS midcydle at the F2F in Vancouver on Friday. | 20:03 |
| xgerman | yeah, I talked with cpm earlier and he said he won’t come | 20:04 |
| xgerman | pcm | 20:04 |
| blogan | pc_m hates us | 20:04 |
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| xgerman | he said he wants to be like us | 20:04 |
| dougwig | he usually goes to the neutron meetup. :) | 20:04 |
| xgerman | yes, he said he would be there | 20:04 |
| blogan | oh he hates us cuz he aint us | 20:04 |
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| xgerman | FW needs a mid cycle so I need to promote the one in Seattle harder | 20:05 |
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| dougwig | umm, why? | 20:06 |
| xgerman | HP has big plans with FW | 20:06 |
| dougwig | so write up a spec and post it. i'm not sure forcing a mid cycle is the path forward? | 20:07 |
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| xgerman | k - moving on | 20:07 |
| xgerman | Links to our talks: | 20:08 |
| xgerman | #link http://bit.ly/Octavia_OS_2015_video | 20:08 |
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| xgerman | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2015/summit-videos/presentation/load-balancing-as-a-service-kilo-and-beyond | 20:08 |
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| xgerman | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-neutron-octavia | 20:08 |
| blogan | skip over my pieces | 20:09 |
| xgerman | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-neutron-lbaas-use-cases | 20:09 |
| xgerman | yeah, fast forward :-) | 20:09 |
| xgerman | any other announcements? | 20:09 |
| xgerman | #topic Brief progress reports | 20:09 |
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| xgerman | not sure if we made progress with the summit and such | 20:10 |
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| blogan | i got that one patch up on the plane | 20:10 |
| dougwig | phil added tis support to the neutron driver. | 20:10 |
| dougwig | tls | 20:10 |
| blogan | oh yeah | 20:10 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:11 |
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| blogan | i'm curious whether johnsom could reproduce the delete errors i was getting | 20:11 |
| xgerman | I like eyes on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160034/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171172/ | 20:11 |
| johnsom | My progress report from our last IRC is I got a demo working.... grin | 20:11 |
| rm_work | also added tls hookups in Octavia, right? | 20:11 |
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| rm_work | (ptoohill) | 20:11 |
| xgerman | yep, I saw some patch | 20:11 |
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| blogan | ptoohill is still recovering from wasabi meltdown | 20:11 |
| TrevorV | Could use more eyes here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170989/ | 20:11 |
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| TrevorV | It has a -1 from brandon from earlier, but still... | 20:12 |
| johnsom | blogan no, I spent yesterday rebuilding a devstack instance to give it a go and made it close to the point where I can try it. | 20:12 |
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| blogan | johnsom: oh devstack problems, they're such a time sink | 20:12 |
| xgerman | +100 | 20:12 |
| johnsom | A lot of email, expense reports, etc. to catch up on. | 20:12 |
| johnsom | Yeah, tempest venv was blowing up on me, but got it going | 20:13 |
| blogan | oh god expense reports, ihavet o do them too | 20:13 |
| xgerman | don’t forget that we drafted you to give the Vancouver demo internally | 20:13 |
| johnsom | Yeah, twice... | 20:13 |
| xgerman | :-) | 20:14 |
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| xgerman | ok, moving on | 20:14 |
| blogan | johnsom: you shouldn't have to do the vip bridge now | 20:14 |
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| xgerman | #topic Static Code Analysis | 20:14 |
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| rm_work | ah, yes | 20:14 |
| rm_work | Sonar is NOT free/public, right? HP has licensed it? | 20:14 |
| xgerman | nope, it’s actually open source | 20:14 |
| rm_work | AH, ok | 20:15 |
| johnsom | #link http://www.sonarqube.org/ | 20:15 |
| rm_work | so we COULD add it as part of the current pep8/pylint suite? | 20:15 |
| dougwig | i'm missing context, could someone fill in? | 20:15 |
| rm_work | so tox would auto-run | 20:15 |
| sballe | o/ Sorry for being late | 20:15 |
| blogan | before the meeting we discussed having it as a non voting job to gauge it | 20:15 |
| sballe | got caught up in a meeting | 20:15 |
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| rm_work | blogan: ah, ok | 20:15 |
| rm_work | that would work too | 20:15 |
| blogan | rm_work: not easy to run in tox, its java and requires maven or something | 20:15 |
| rm_work | augh :/ | 20:16 |
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| xgerman | yeah, Designate has it as 3rd party CI so I thought we can follow their lead | 20:16 |
| blogan | yeah so even if we could get tox to run it, i wouldn't want to put that on my system | 20:16 |
| rm_work | thought it'd be python, since it does python code analysis | 20:16 |
| xgerman | #link http://sonar.designate-ci.com/ | 20:16 |
| xgerman | there are python specific open source code analysis tools | 20:16 |
| dougwig | do we have a 3rd-party CI for it? | 20:16 |
| blogan | my concern with having it is that its an extra overhead and more hoops to jump through to get code in, which is bad for getting new contributors | 20:16 |
| rm_work | yeah I am not hugely convinced it's necessary | 20:17 |
| blogan | but willing to try it as a non-voting job | 20:17 |
| rm_work | but yes, same | 20:17 |
| rm_work | as long as I don't have to do the work to set it up | 20:17 |
| johnsom | We have better coverage than they do... | 20:17 |
| xgerman | dougwig: I can get us a machine on HPCloud to run 3rd party CI | 20:17 |
| blogan | johnsom: so are you saying its not worth doing it? | 20:17 |
| sballe | I agree we should start as non voting and then we can make it voting once we trust that it doesn't mess things up | 20:18 |
| johnsom | Sorry, just an observation looking at their sonar page | 20:18 |
| blogan | oh lol | 20:18 |
| xgerman | Octavia code coverage > Designate Code Coverage | 20:18 |
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| blogan | if it starts forcing me to add @staticmethods to methods i will -2! | 20:18 |
| rm_work | I don't particularly like the idea of making a voting gate job that runs tests that aren't easy to run out of the box locally | 20:18 |
| xgerman | it runs in pycharm | 20:18 |
| rm_work | that'd be like if the pep8 checks were a remote CI that voted, but wasn't in tox | 20:18 |
| rm_work | hmm | 20:18 |
| blogan | we can't force people to run pycharm | 20:18 |
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| xgerman | sadly, yes | 20:19 |
| rm_work | I also hope it has a way to configure ignoring rules | 20:19 |
| rm_work | the way pep8/hacking does | 20:19 |
| blogan | i assume it does | 20:19 |
| xgerman | it does | 20:19 |
| rm_work | I saw a lot of #nosonar | 20:19 |
| rm_work | in the patches | 20:19 |
| xgerman | we have tweaked our internal one to be more foregiving | 20:19 |
| rm_work | ok | 20:19 |
| dougwig | let's back up a sec. are we, as a group, committing to following the rules laid down by sonar? this means either CI or someone regularly submitting changes to fix things up for sonar. | 20:19 |
| rm_work | so you can ignore a whole rule, not just #nosonar all over | 20:19 |
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| blogan | this is going to casue a lot of those # nosnar thigns are they? | 20:20 |
| johnsom | So, my question is does this seem of value to the team? | 20:20 |
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| rm_work | I don't think it's that important, but if i don't have to do anything, and it runs as part of checks locally, then i am ok with it | 20:20 |
| rm_work | if it's voting but not run locally with tox, i am less OK | 20:20 |
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| dougwig | johnsom: i have no idea until i see the output, which is why i'm cool with a non-voting job as an experiment. | 20:20 |
| blogan | johnsom: i, personally, right now think it will just be an annoyance because a lot of what it enforces is subjective and if it catches anything egregious that should be caught by code reveiws | 20:20 |
| sballe | dougwig: +1 | 20:20 |
| rm_work | blogan +1 | 20:21 |
| dougwig | johnsom: but, it'll fairly quickly need to be either voting or abandoned, because non-voting it'll rot. | 20:21 |
| blogan | but yes willing to try it as an experimental job | 20:21 |
| rm_work | (even though we disagree about the things that are subjective) | 20:21 |
| blogan | yep | 20:21 |
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| blogan | which makes it subjective | 20:21 |
| rm_work | true :) | 20:21 |
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| xgerman | well, we won’t quick it into a virtual blogan | 20:21 |
| TrevorV | that rat hole though | 20:21 |
| xgerman | tweak | 20:22 |
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| blogan | don't quick anything into a virtual me! | 20:22 |
| dougwig | do we have that tow truck 404 page yet? | 20:22 |
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| xgerman | ok, I am with dougwig — let’s try it out non-voting and if it delivers values we make it voting | 20:22 |
| blogan | so should we just get the job going and bring it up in each meeting as to whether we want to keep it or not? | 20:23 |
| xgerman | maybe not each meeting but something like that | 20:23 |
| rm_work | whelp, not-it for setting that up | 20:23 |
| blogan | well i mean once we decide to get rid of it or to keep it, that'll be the last meeting for it | 20:23 |
| TrevorV | Nose-goes | 20:23 |
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| TrevorV | +1 | 20:23 |
| xgerman | well, I already volun-told johnsom and mwang | 20:24 |
| blogan | lol | 20:24 |
| dougwig | if you've got a node running sonar that i can use as a slave, i can make it non-voting on every change via the a10 ci in a matter of minutes. i really don't want to contemplate setting up another CI for gerrit ever again. | 20:24 |
| johnsom | Yeah.... | 20:24 |
| dougwig | johnsom and mwang2_: you poor souls. :) | 20:24 |
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| blogan | brings back bad memories | 20:24 |
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| * TrevorV let blogan do it initially anyway :D | 20:25 | |
| blogan | one day ill set up a CI in gerrit, but that day is not today (or any day in th enear future) | 20:25 |
| johnsom | I look at it as a CI learning experience.... | 20:25 |
| TrevorV | johnsom == glass is half full kind-of-guy | 20:25 |
| mwang2_ | and i learned a lot actually | 20:25 |
| blogan | okay i think we got this covered | 20:26 |
| rm_work | NEXT | 20:26 |
| xgerman | #topic How to solve tightly coupled drivers (compute, network, amphora) | 20:26 |
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| blogan | this is mine | 20:26 |
| xgerman | yep | 20:26 |
| blogan | anyone get a chacne to read the agenda? | 20:26 |
| dougwig | no | 20:26 |
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| johnsom | Yes | 20:26 |
| blogan | lol | 20:26 |
| rm_work | no | 20:26 |
| xgerman | blogan recap or should we have everybody read right now | 20:27 |
| blogan | tldr: amphora driver has gotten to the point where it needs to call neutron to get some information, which is bad as it shouldn't know about neutron | 20:27 |
| johnsom | Personally, I like the driver model we have today, so I lean towards the data model updates. | 20:27 |
| dougwig | well, option 3 kinda sucks. | 20:27 |
| sballe | johnsom: +1 | 20:27 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:27 |
| blogan | Option 1 and 2 will require the same work really, just dpeends on when the driver is called | 20:27 |
| rm_work | yeah amp driver should call up to the controller or something for that info | 20:27 |
| blogan | dougwig: it was just an option | 20:27 |
| rm_work | and then the controller calls back down to the net drvier | 20:27 |
| rm_work | *driver | 20:27 |
| xgerman | I like inversion of control and have the controller just provide the info — | 20:28 |
| xgerman | if we need to let’s make tasks/methods more granular | 20:28 |
| blogan | so the original intent of the network driver was so we could have a neutron and nova-networks driver, but its kind of morphed into being able to satisfy every deployer's different way to hook into their networking infrastructure | 20:28 |
| dougwig | which is also fine. | 20:29 |
| rm_work | yeah, how ridiculous WILL option 2 be to implement? | 20:29 |
| xgerman | also I hate circular references | 20:29 |
| TrevorV | Does Option 2 actually remove the tight coupling though? | 20:29 |
| blogan | option 1 and option 2 are the least ridiculous in my mind | 20:29 |
| rm_work | yes | 20:29 |
| xgerman | +q1 | 20:29 |
| blogan | i do prefer option 1, but option 2 is almost the same so i dont care | 20:30 |
| xgerman | so after we disqualified 3 | 20:30 |
| dougwig | i think i like option 2 the best? | 20:30 |
| rm_work | prefer 2 | 20:30 |
| blogan | i can go with that | 20:30 |
| xgerman | dougwig what about compute call network, which call compute, which calls network | 20:30 |
| blogan | we still need the data models and the extra driver methods | 20:30 |
| rm_work | lol | 20:30 |
| dougwig | xgerman: umm, don't do that? | 20:30 |
| blogan | lol | 20:31 |
| xgerman | well, we are opening the door | 20:31 |
| dougwig | the door is open to add a fork bomb to every api call, too. | 20:31 |
| blogan | so Option 3 and Option 4 no one likes right? | 20:31 |
| blogan | you could say that they are not an option? | 20:32 |
| TrevorV | I prefer Option 4 | 20:32 |
| TrevorV | Just cuz | 20:32 |
| dougwig | option 3, we might as well not have "drivers". | 20:32 |
| TrevorV | Less work | 20:32 |
| blogan | dougwig: agreed | 20:32 |
| rm_work | dougwig: yep | 20:32 |
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| xgerman | +1 | 20:32 |
| blogan | dougwig: well we woudl still have drivers, but that would cause us to have all these unnecessary abstraction layers | 20:32 |
| xgerman | 4 tightly couples us on as neutron | 20:32 |
| TrevorV | It IS an openstack project now. Can't say I really hate that, but that's just me I guess | 20:33 |
| xgerman | well, the idea of drivers was you didn’t need to call neutron directly | 20:33 |
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| xgerman | so it’s basically between 1 and 2 | 20:34 |
| xgerman | ? | 20:34 |
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| TrevorV | If its between 1 and 2, I like 2. | 20:34 |
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| johnsom | Really we just need some subnet info to configure the amp, so I don't see why we can't just make an upstream task for it that calls the network driver and passes it to the post plug task | 20:34 |
| blogan | yeah and the upfront cost of both of those is the same, it just becomes whether the controller calls the driver methods or the drivers do | 20:35 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:35 |
| xgerman | controller calls drivers feels more sane to me | 20:35 |
| TrevorV | johnsom can you guarantee we won't have to do this for anything else? | 20:35 |
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| blogan | TrevorV: if we do, we do teh same thing | 20:35 |
| johnsom | To quote above, this is OpenStack, we can't guarantee anything | 20:35 |
| xgerman | lol | 20:36 |
| dougwig | which method prevents mucking with driver signatures less? | 20:36 |
| TrevorV | Then why not just go with inter-driver communication? Is that so problematic? | 20:36 |
| blogan | anyway, the data models will follow the neutron model most likely, and if someone wants to do nova-networks they'll have to translate the nova-networks models into the neutron ones | 20:36 |
| blogan | dougwig: they both require teh same | 20:36 |
| dougwig | i think one is new kwargs options that will be required, the other is adding methods, which also will be needed. | 20:36 |
| dougwig | the new methods are in both, nvm. | 20:37 |
| blogan | my detailed bullet point of both doesn't actually say that they require the same, but this is something i realized after that i failed to update this on | 20:38 |
| xgerman | yeah, it should be a similar effort | 20:38 |
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| blogan | yeah, ill volunteer myself ro this obviously so I'll let yall know if i find anything that sways it one way or the other | 20:38 |
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| xgerman | ok, so we have you explore and discuss next week again? | 20:39 |
| sballe | ISn't nova-network getting depricated soon? | 20:40 |
| xgerman | well, it’s an example | 20:40 |
| dougwig | sballe: no | 20:40 |
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| blogan | TrevorV brought up a good piont that Option 2 would not cause a method signature to change, while Option 1 would | 20:41 |
| blogan | but anyway, ill get all of this figured out and bring it up next week | 20:42 |
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| xgerman | cool -- | 20:42 |
| johnsom | Thanks blogan | 20:42 |
| xgerman | #action blogan will evaluate option 1 and 2 in more detail for revisiting next week | 20:42 |
| xgerman | Thnaks | 20:42 |
| sballe | blogan +1 | 20:42 |
| xgerman | #topic Align Octavia user API with neutron-lbaas's API | 20:43 |
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| xgerman | blogan you have the floor | 20:43 |
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| blogan | yeah so the octavia API and neutron lbaas API differ and I think it would be beneficial if Octavia was a superset API of neutron-lbaas, meaning it was exactly teh same as neutron-lbaas but with more functionality | 20:44 |
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| rm_work | hmm | 20:44 |
| sballe | blogan: +1 | 20:44 |
| blogan | Octavia's API was created prior to neutron-lbaas v2 API being finalized | 20:44 |
| blogan | so thats why its a bit different | 20:44 |
| xgerman | blogan +1 | 20:44 |
| rm_work | that would actually be useful -- does that make anything we were trying to do any harder? I assume not | 20:44 |
| rm_work | since neutron-lbaas would have to support anything we wanted to do | 20:45 |
| blogan | well it will require more work to get teh API calls the same | 20:45 |
| rm_work | sure, but no real PROBLEMS with doing that | 20:45 |
| xgerman | yeah, besides more work I don’t see any downside | 20:45 |
| dougwig | also makes the driver capable of being even dumber. | 20:45 |
| blogan | nah its pretty much all the same info, just strucutred ifferently | 20:45 |
| johnsom | Sounds good to me | 20:45 |
| blogan | ill add a launchpad bug for that | 20:46 |
| sballe | +1 | 20:46 |
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| dougwig | stretch goal here is when neutron-lbaas needs its own rest agent, there's a pleasant little home waiting for it in octavia. | 20:46 |
| xgerman | not sure if it’s broken — so lp task might be better | 20:46 |
| dougwig | that's a few cycles off, i'd wager. | 20:46 |
| blogan | yeah and it doesn't break backwards compatibility | 20:46 |
| blogan | lp task? | 20:46 |
| blogan | you mean BP? | 20:46 |
| xgerman | yep | 20:46 |
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| xgerman | the non-bug thing | 20:47 |
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| blogan | aren't RFEs bug reports in neutron now? | 20:47 |
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| xgerman | dougwig? | 20:47 |
| dougwig | correct. | 20:47 |
| johnsom | Yep | 20:48 |
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| blogan | so it fits with that | 20:48 |
| dougwig | but, octavia doesn't need to follow neutron's process for that. unless it wants to. | 20:48 |
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| xgerman | filing a bug report for something which isn’t broken... | 20:48 |
| xgerman | but I better get with the program | 20:48 |
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| sballe | xgerman: We did this for the advsvc role in neutron and it worked well | 20:49 |
| blogan | lol, RFEs are bug reports for a reason, but i don't think in this instance those matter | 20:49 |
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| xgerman | #action blogan file RFE in launchpad for aligning Octavia API with Neutron LBaaS V2 | 20:49 |
| dougwig | as long as kyle isn't organizing our milestones in LP, we can do whatever mechanism we want. | 20:49 |
| blogan | mestery agreed to organize all launchpads under the neutron stadium | 20:50 |
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| xgerman | #topic Open Discussion | 20:50 |
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| blogan | how do people think the working session went? | 20:51 |
| dougwig | haha, he did not. | 20:51 |
| blogan | was it useful? | 20:51 |
| johnsom | We have some documentation type things in gerrit that are getting old. Any thoughts on what we should do with those? | 20:51 |
| xgerman | we fixed the routing problem :-) | 20:51 |
| dougwig | johnsom: are they clean (no -1's) ? | 20:51 |
| blogan | well that wasn't in the working session, we discussed octavia becoming the ref impl in the working sessions | 20:51 |
| blogan | honestly it just wasn't enough time | 20:51 |
| johnsom | No, they all have -1s I thinkg | 20:51 |
| xgerman | isn’t sbalukoff coming back to finish them | 20:51 |
| rm_work | yeah we needed like... another 2 h | 20:52 |
| dougwig | johnsom: i expect that's why they're languishing. are the original commiters still around to update? | 20:52 |
| blogan | johnsom: i think we should update them, we should actually start thinking about having some kind of final documentation point | 20:52 |
| xgerman | well, I think compared to other working sessions I went to ours were pretty productive | 20:52 |
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| xgerman | blogan +1 | 20:52 |
| sballe | blogan: +1 | 20:53 |
| johnsom | Ok, so let's take a new pass over these this week and we can pick docs we will take ownership of | 20:53 |
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| xgerman | johnsom +1 | 20:53 |
| blogan | okay | 20:53 |
| sballe | johnsom: +1 | 20:53 |
| rm_work | plug for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184868/ | 20:54 |
| blogan | plug denied | 20:54 |
| rm_work | we should really be py3 compat | 20:54 |
| rm_work | >_> | 20:54 |
| sballe | lol | 20:54 |
| rm_work | no reason to not be | 20:54 |
| blogan | except py3 is the spawn of the devil | 20:54 |
| rm_work | <_< | 20:54 |
| johnsom | Haha | 20:54 |
| rm_work | py3 fixes a lot of stuff, and py2 is essentially dead now <_< | 20:54 |
| blogan | its the most human of all zombies | 20:54 |
| madhu_ak | would like to have code reviews for the pending patches in neutron-lbaas --> especially testscenarios | 20:55 |
| rm_work | it is good to get stuff like compatibility checks in early, to prevent further divergence | 20:55 |
| rm_work | right now it isn't too bad | 20:55 |
| sballe | rm_work: +1 | 20:55 |
| dougwig | madhu_ak: those tests are waiting on the job being fixed, which is my fault at present. | 20:56 |
| johnsom | rm_work +1 | 20:56 |
| rm_work | the only wonky bit really is the mock changes | 20:56 |
| xgerman | yep, and once we rewrite everything in Ruby that might help | 20:56 |
| blogan | madhu_ak: we definitely need to start getting those reviewed | 20:56 |
| rm_work | lol xgerman | 20:56 |
| madhu_ak | oh, okay. sure | 20:56 |
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| xgerman | or was it Go people were plugging? | 20:56 |
| blogan | Go | 20:56 |
| sballe | +1 for Go | 20:56 |
| dougwig | madhu_ak: the tenant tests are broken, if you wanted something to tweak in the meantime. they create a bunch of objects owned by admin, then create the final object owned by another tenant. they should really be creating all the objects as the other tenant. | 20:56 |
| blogan | dougwig is always plugging Ruby | 20:56 |
| rm_work | Golang! :P | 20:56 |
| xgerman | bloagn +1 | 20:57 |
| xgerman | blogan +1 | 20:57 |
| dougwig | inline assembly, ya whimps. | 20:57 |
| madhu_ak | dougwig: sure | 20:57 |
| TrevorV | dougwig I actually had a nack for assembly in school. Nothing on this level of coding thoguh | 20:57 |
| johnsom | +1 assembly | 20:57 |
| TrevorV | though*** | 20:57 |
| TrevorV | I was real good at ML as well | 20:58 |
| dougwig | ooh, i love ML. | 20:58 |
| dougwig | strongly typed and functional, yes. | 20:58 |
| rm_work | yes | 20:58 |
| rm_work | strongly typed plox | 20:58 |
| xgerman | Haskell? | 20:58 |
| rm_work | ML was great | 20:58 |
| TrevorV | Believe it or not, rm_work and I are bonding a little on this topic | 20:58 |
| rm_work | I would do ML | 20:59 |
| xgerman | ok, we are out of time | 20:59 |
| xgerman | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Vancouver Design Summit (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 27 20:59:28 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-05-27-20.00.html | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-05-27-20.00.txt | 20:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-05-27-20.00.log.html | 20:59 |
| blogan | bye! | 20:59 |
| sballe | bye | 20:59 |
| xgerman | bye | 20:59 |
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