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rkukurahi ML2’ers!16:00
manishghi!16:00
SukhdevHello everybody16:00
shivharishi16:00
yamahatahello16:00
rkukuraI haven’t had a chance to review last weeks log in detail yet, so Sukhdev has agreed to chair today. I’ll do next week.16:01
Sukhdevlets get started16:01
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Sukhdev#startmeeting networking_ml216:02
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr 29 16:02:05 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2'16:02
Sukhdev#topic: Agenda16:02
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Sukhdev#link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Agenda16:02
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Sukhdev#Announcements:16:02
Sukhdev#topic: Announcements16:02
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Sukhdev:-) still sleepy :-)16:02
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SukhdevKilo is almost ready to go -16:03
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SukhdevDo know if folks noticed that the spec submittal process for Liberty is being changed -16:03
Sukhdevit is much simpler process16:03
Sukhdevsee here - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177342/16:04
SukhdevAnother thing - there is a slight change in the drivers team16:04
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Sukhdevsalvatore and Mark are being replaced with Maru and Doug16:04
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SukhdevThat is all I have16:05
SukhdevDoes anybody have any other announcement?16:05
Sukhdevor any gossip?16:05
egonGotta love all the vendor CIs weighing in on that review.16:05
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Sukhdevegon: :-)16:06
shivharisegon: :-)16:06
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SukhdevIf nothing else, lets move on16:06
Sukhdev#topic: Action Items16:07
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Sukhdevmanishg had an action item and he has posted a document on the Task Flow discussions16:07
Sukhdev#link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aSgTVB7nW_v7lHH0Z0DUgfymEsx0O16k1Jgu7QFXkFA/edit#heading=h.fjb8xrfig49916:07
SukhdevI have not had chance to review it yet16:08
SukhdevDid anybody have a chance to review it?16:08
shivharisI have not read it yet. Plan to do it today.16:08
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Sukhdevmanishg: Want to give any heads up on this?16:09
manishgSukhdev: I didn't get a chance to look into midonet plugin (was my AI).  will do it this week.16:09
rkukuraI have not read it yet.16:09
manishgSukhdev: I think this is the discussion we've had here and so good to take it further from there.16:09
SukhdevConsidering no body has read it yet, lets plan on using comment feature of google doc to post our comments on the doc itself16:09
rkukuraSukhdev: +116:10
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manishgSukhdev: +1 (sorry, should have posted it yesterday and sent to ML)16:10
Sukhdevmanishg: Thanks a ton for putting this together16:10
Sukhdevmanishg: per last week's discussion, midonet plugin might give more insight to the implementation16:11
manishgPlease provide comments and I can add more documentation, etc.  I have not described taskflow related details as the taskflow docs are pretty detailed (and really impressive actually)16:11
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manishgyep, plan to look into it as soon as I can.16:11
Sukhdevmanishg: so, I would be very tempted to hear your findings on that front - please update the document accordingly16:11
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manishgI'll incorporate the learnings into the doc.16:12
SukhdevAnything on this document?16:12
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Sukhdev#topic: Ironic integration through ML2 mech drivers16:13
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SukhdevI added this topic for discussion16:13
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SukhdevThere is tremendous interest in this by many vendors - and, also Ironic team16:14
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SukhdevThe idea is to provide the same framework for BM which is avaialble for VMs16:14
shivhariswhats the idea behind this?16:14
Sukhdevshivharis: make BM and VM launching as similar as possible16:15
SukhdevNova has done it as well16:15
SukhdevIf you are familiar  - to launch a BM or launch a VM - one will use the same command - i.e. "nova boot"16:15
SukhdevOther than the flavor, all parameters to nova boot command are same16:16
Sukhdevflavor simply states it is a baremetal16:16
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rkukuraSukhdev: So would a —nic param be used for each physical NIC?16:16
Sukhdevrkukura: yes16:17
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rkukuraSukhdev: And therefore, is the integration needed for neutron+ML2 to configure the ToR switch connected to each physical NIC?16:17
SukhdevIn ironic, in order to launch BMs, the Physical nodes and ports are registered with the Ironic16:18
Sukhdevrkukura: Yes - that is correct16:18
yamahataWhat's the state transition of port?16:18
shivharisAlso does the physical host send out tagged and untagged frames?16:19
Sukhdevyamahata: it is handled through ironic driver16:19
Sukhdevshivharis: both implementations are being considered -16:19
Sukhdevshivharis: BM servers go through two boot cycles -16:20
SukhdevFirst boot PXE - to fetch the images, etc.16:20
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Sukhdevonce sufficient info is available, then it goes through the second boot to plumb into the neutron network16:21
Sukhdevmost of the nova<->neutron plumbing works as-is.16:21
rkukuraSukhdev: Are the flat and/or VLAN networks used with ironic already represented in neutron with the corresponding network types, or is this part of what needs to be done?16:21
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Sukhdevrkukura: It is my understanding that most of the first boot is on a flat network16:22
manishgrkukura: flat works fine.16:23
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SukhdevIt is a desire to use VLAN for the second boot - to provide multi- tenant support16:23
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SukhdevThe good news is that I have spent some time understanding this whole framwork16:24
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Sukhdevsince everything goes through nova - most of the nova-neutron interactions are in play as-is16:24
rkukuraI’d think things like triple-0 build on ironic would want to use separate VLANs for admin, storage, external, and tunnel fabric, right?16:25
Sukhdevsome of the critical information needed to provision TORs for BM provisioning is missing in the port context16:25
rkukuraSukhdev: What’s missing?16:25
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Sukhdevrkukura: The physical connectivity information (topology)16:26
rkukuraSukhdev: Wouldn’t that be MD-specific?16:26
SukhdevI played around with a bit16:26
yamahataDo you mean which physical host is connected to which ToR, etc?16:26
rkukuraI guess the port’s host would somehow be mapped to the ToR switch port by the MD, right?16:26
Sukhdevrkukura: correct - but,  ML2 plugin will have to provide the conduit to allow passing of this information16:27
Sukhdevyamahata: yes16:27
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rkukuraDoes nova+ironic set the binding:host_id for the port to the name of the BM host?16:27
Sukhdevrkukura: now that is where it gets bit tricky -16:28
SukhdevThe host name of BM to nova is where ironic conductor runs16:28
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Sukhdevrkukura: it uses binding:host-id, but, binds to the host name where the ironic conductor is running16:29
rkukuraSukhdev: that sounds like a bug16:29
Sukhdevrkukura: from nova point of view conductor is equivalent to a hypervisor16:30
Sukhdevrkukura: first I thought the same, but, once understood a bit more, it make sense16:31
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rkukuraSukhdev: I think it is nova’s responsibility to properly set this when ironic is being used16:31
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Sukhdevrkukura: correct - and, most of the work to support this is in nova/ironic16:31
rkukuraThe binding:host_id attribute is the host where the port is being accessed, not they host where some arbitrary nova component runs16:31
Sukhdevrkukura: from ML2 point of view, the passage is needed so that additional information can flow to ML2 drivers when BM is launched16:32
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rkukuraSukhdev: What is needed other than the correc binding:host_id value?16:33
rkukuracorrect16:33
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Sukhdevrkukura: The physical connectivity information - i.e. in addition to the mac address (which is already there), the switch ID and interface information16:34
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rkukuraDoes ironic already know all of this?16:34
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shivharisswitchID? really16:34
Sukhdevrkukura: I hacked the nova/Ironic to pass this information - and hacked ML2 to pass it down via port context - and all seems to hold up well16:34
rkukuraOr do we need something like the “topology service” that was proposed a couple cycles ago?16:35
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Sukhdevrkukura: Yes - there is way in Ironic to store it16:35
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rkukuraSukhdev: If we really need to add additional attributes to the portbinding extension, or a new extension, fine, but I really want to make sure this is necessary and that the existing attributes (like host_id) cannot be used where appropriate.16:36
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Sukhdevrkukura: topology service will not work for BM servers - as these are powered off, and no connectivity information can be automated - until after the first boot16:36
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Sukhdevshivharis: something to represent where the BM server is connected to16:37
rkukuraSukhdev: If neutron had a topology extension API, I’d think ironic could populate it using that API.16:37
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shivharisso we are really looking for passthru (opaque) connectivity parameters16:38
Sukhdevrkukura: possibly - but, I have to think through a bit more16:38
rkukuraSukhdev: This definitely soulds like a good topic to discuss at the summit.16:38
Sukhdevshivharis: yes16:38
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Sukhdevrkukura: yes, I discussed with mestery and have added to the etherpad - see item 63 on the etherpad16:39
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sadasuSukhdev: thanks for collecting all this information so far16:39
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shivharisrkukura: so (if i got this correctly) we need to have an opaque field in the port binding...(right Sukhdev?)16:39
rkukuraI’d like to minimize how much special casing is needed in ML2 iteself for this sort of thing, just like I’m working to cleanup for DVR.16:39
sadasuseems logical that diff vendors would be interested in this16:39
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rkukuraWe already have pass-through fields in both directions: binding:profile in, and binding:vif_details out.16:40
Sukhdevsadasu: I have been approached by at least 3 vendors who need it16:40
rkukuraBoth of these are dicts for which keys can be defined as needed.16:40
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shivharisrkukura: then we need to leverage what is already there16:41
shivharisbinding:xxx ?16:41
Sukhdevrkukura: you bring up a good point - I missed those dicts.16:41
rkukuraMaybe ironic can just set binding:profile to include the info needed by BM MDs16:41
Sukhdevrkukura: I will go back and look to see if those can be used - if yes, we do not need anything in neutron - :-):-)16:42
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rkukuraSukhdev: The nice things is that ML2 already knows to unbind/rebind ports when binding:profile is changed.16:42
Sukhdevrkukura: let me look into it a bit more16:43
rkukuraSukhdev: +116:43
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shivharisrkukura: strawman binding:xxxx (fill in the xxxx with something suitable)16:43
SukhdevWanted to bring to team's attention that there is great interest in this - Nova has already done a lot to make BM/VM work in a similar fashion16:43
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rkukurashivharis: I’m hoping we can avoid adding a new binding:xxxx atttribute, and can instead define new keys to be used in the existing binding:profile dictionary16:44
SukhdevHas anybody on this team looked into this? Will be nice to hear their experience...16:44
shivharissomethings may not fit naturally - we'll see as we progress16:45
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Sukhdevrkukura: if it is a dict, I love the idea of reusing it by defining key-value pairs16:45
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banixno need for a new binding:xxxx16:46
SukhdevI wanted to give a heads up - that this is coming16:46
banixwhat rkukura said16:46
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Sukhdevbanix: correct - what rkukura said should do the trick16:46
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shivharisi am worried about stuff like switch id16:47
Sukhdevshivharis: what is the worry?16:47
Sukhdevshivharis: it is a vendor specific16:47
shivharisit is different (vendor specific)16:47
shivharisexactly  - you chimed at the same time16:48
Sukhdevshivharis: you can call it anything you like - shivharis's driveway :-):-)16:48
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Sukhdevshivharis: gotta keep the humor going :-):)16:48
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shivharisnever mind - we can still stuff everything in the existing..(implementation detail)16:48
Sukhdevshivharis: yes, this is a key-value pair - one can call it anything they like16:49
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Sukhdevshivharis: from ML2 point of view, it is a pass throug16:49
SukhdevShall we move on?16:50
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rkukuraIf we really want a vendor-independent way to describe physical topology, I think we should consider a topology service within neutron.16:50
rkukuraSukhdev: Lets move on.16:50
Sukhdev#topic: Mid-cycle sprint16:51
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SukhdevWe covered this last week -16:51
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SukhdevI have discussed with mestery and added task flow on the mid-cycle agenda16:52
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SukhdevSee item 4 here - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-liberty-mid-cycle16:52
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SukhdevWe will use manishg document as basis for this16:52
SukhdevOnce we agree on the design etc, this sprint will be for implementation16:52
SukhdevWe will need volunteers to participate in this16:53
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rkukuraI’m hoping to be there, but may have a conflict16:53
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Sukhdevrkukura: well this is a heads up - resolve the conflicts :-):-)16:54
rkukuraSukhdev: I’m realizing that!16:54
Sukhdevrkukura: bribe still works in conflict resolution :-):-)16:55
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SukhdevAnything else on this?16:55
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Sukhdevrkukura: BTW, it is understood - I was just playing around :-)16:55
Sukhdev#topic: Bugs16:56
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Sukhdevshivharis: anything on this?16:56
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shivharisnot much to report on bugs for the kilo release16:56
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shivharis; anyone has questions on bugs16:56
SukhdevKilo is almost out16:56
shivharisother than that we are good so far16:56
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Sukhdevanybody wants to bring up any bug?16:57
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Sukhdev#topic: Open Discussion16:57
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SukhdevIs everybody going to summit?16:57
rkukuraI should be filing the bug and submitting a patch for the DVR PortContext issues in a day or two16:57
Sukhdevmanishg is not going to make it16:57
banixplanning to attend16:57
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rkukuraI’ll be at the summit16:58
shivharisyes16:58
yamahataI'll be there16:58
SukhdevCool - looks like it will be full house16:58
asadoughiyes, i'll be there16:58
SukhdevAnything on anybody's mind?16:59
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Sukhdevrkukura: Thanks for heads up on the bug and patch - will look for it16:59
banixSukhdev lots of things but I bet you don’t want to know16:59
sadasuthanks for a productive meeting16:59
Sukhdevbanix: ha ha - same here :-):-)16:59
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banix:)16:59
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rkukurathanks Sukhdev!17:00
SukhdevFolks thanks for attending, and I agree with sadasu it was a productive meeting17:00
banixthanks Sukhdev, all17:00
Sukhdevbye17:00
banixbye17:00
Sukhdev#endmeeting17:00
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rkukurabye17:00
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-04-29-16.02.html17:00
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yamahatabye17:00
shivharisbye17:00
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mugsiehey17:01
mugsiewhos here?17:01
timsimo?17:02
rjrjro/17:02
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mugsiejmcbride: ah, nice to see ya - its been a while :)17:02
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mugsie#startmeeting Designate17:02
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr 29 17:02:42 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:02
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pglasso/17:03
mugsieKiall: is stuck in meetings, so I said I would do the meeting :)17:03
jmcbridehowdy mugsie, good to see you too17:03
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mugsie#topic Action Items from last week17:03
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mugsiekiall to ask ttx to create a a rc217:03
mugsiethat was done, and RC2 was released :)17:03
mugsie#topic Kilo Release Status17:03
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mugsieone sub item here - any know blockers ?17:04
mugsie(i.e. do we need an RC3 ? )17:04
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vinod1none that i know of - pglass any new potential bugs?17:04
timsimNothing major, I don't think.17:04
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mugsieyeah, we havent found any here either that I know of17:05
pglassnot that I'm aware of.17:05
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mugsiepglass: thanks for all the tempest stuff btw - it is definitly needed :)17:05
pglassno problem17:06
mugsieok then -17:06
mugsie#topicx Design Summit Sessions17:06
mugsie#topic Design Summit Sessions17:06
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mugsie#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/designate-liberty-proposed-sessions17:06
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mugsieI would suggest we also throw out ideas here as well?17:07
mugsieif anyone has any ideas they want to put forward17:07
timsimWow thursday is long.17:07
mugsieWe have quite a bit of time this year17:07
vinod1mugsie have you been able to change some of the timings of the presentations?17:07
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mugsieyeah, they are all moved now17:08
mugsienothing conflicts17:08
vinod1cool - thanks17:08
mugsieall Kiall's doing - he noticed before I did :)17:08
rjrjrmugsie: we should review blueprint/specifications at some of these sessions.17:09
mugsierjrjr: thats a good idea17:09
rjrjrwe will have 3 or 4 specs for review.17:09
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mugsiemaybe part of thursday / fridays long blocks17:09
timsimI wonder if we should do a hackathon during the long blocks?17:09
mugsiethe last session is supposed to be a "contributers meetup"17:10
mugsieso that would be a good fit17:10
timsimCool17:10
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mugsiefeel free to dump the ideas in the etherpad :)17:11
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mugsiethe full scheduale is here:17:12
mugsie#link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VsFdRYGbX5eCde81XDV7TrPBfEC7cgtOFikruYmqbPY/edit#gid=56996312817:12
rjrjrspecs we'll be adding include: IXFR (revisited), transaction support, and granular access - we will have these fleshed out more by the end of next week for early review.17:12
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mugsiecool :)17:12
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mugsie#link https://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/17:12
mugsie^ is actually the offical one17:12
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mugsieany other questions / queries / issues ?17:13
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rjrjryou need one session for getting input from non-contributors.17:14
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mugsierjrjr: ++17:15
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mugsieok17:16
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mugsie#topic Bug triage (timsim-recurring)17:16
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mugsietimsim: you have the floor17:16
timsim3 This week17:16
timsimhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/144732517:16
openstackLaunchpad bug 1447325 in Designate "Filtering recordsets by data gives total_count = null" [Undecided,New]17:16
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mugsieHigh, L1 ?17:17
timsimSounds about right to me17:17
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timsimhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/144732417:17
openstackLaunchpad bug 1447324 in Designate "Recordsets can not be filtered by status" [Undecided,New]17:17
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mugsieMed, L1 ?17:17
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rjrjr+117:18
timsimMaybe high? If you can't filter by something I feel like it should tell you that.17:18
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mugsiemmm..... true ...17:19
timsimIdeally you would be able to do this, but if not, it shouldn't just ignore the query param17:19
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timsimI'm fine with medium though.17:19
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mugsiei say stick with mediuim17:19
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timsimk17:19
timsimhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/144773717:20
openstackLaunchpad bug 1447737 in Designate "dashboard create record dialog has a terse user experience" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Eric Peterson (ericpeterson-l)17:20
mugsiemed, l117:20
timsimagreed17:20
rjrjr+117:20
timsimThat's it :)17:20
mugsiecool :)17:20
mugsie#topic Open Discussion17:20
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mugsieanyone have anything for this?17:20
timsimmugsie: Any update from Kiall on a follow up chat for summit talks (not that I've started working on it)17:20
mugsietimsim: nope, but I will pinghim today17:21
mugsieand start working on it17:21
timsimCool17:21
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rjrjrtimsim: do we have a working BIND9 driver for the agent?17:21
timsimyep17:21
rjrjrworking = not what we had in Juno or earlier17:21
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timsimhttps://github.com/openstack/designate/blob/master/designate/backend/agent_backend/impl_bind9.py17:21
timsimIt bears some resemblance, but it seems to work just fine.17:22
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timsimA lot of the work gets done by the Agent, instead of the backend as well.17:22
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rjrjrwe had problems with deletes lagging the requests in the original driver.17:22
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timsimDoing a bunch of delzones is pretty much always going to be a problem with BIND917:23
timsimmugsie: I'm wondering if we should udpate the http://docs.openstack.org/developer/designate/install/ubuntu-dev.html for kilo before release?17:23
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rjrjrdeleting records was the issue17:23
mugsietimsim: at the very least the master version should have the info,. yes17:24
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rjrjrokay, we'll try it out and see how the new driver works.17:24
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mugsieok, anything else?17:25
mugsiegoing ...17:25
mugsiegoing ...17:26
timsimI'm good17:26
rjrjrditto17:26
mugsie#endmeeting17:26
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openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-04-29-17.02.html17:26
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mugsiethanks all :017:26
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timsimo/17:26
mugsie:) *17:26
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sgordon#startmeeting telcowg19:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr 29 19:00:46 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sgordon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:00
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sgordon#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda19:00
sgordon#topic roll call19:01
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beagleso/19:01
* sgordon here19:01
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sgordon\o/19:02
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sgordon#topic vancouver summit19:02
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sgordonok19:02
beaglesquiet room sgordon19:02
sgordonyeah19:02
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sgordoni saw cloudon and a few other regulars sneak in19:02
sgordonso we'll see ;)19:02
HKirkseyHere19:02
cloudonhi19:02
sgordonso we have an ops summit working group session on the wednesday19:03
sgordonworking theory is that we would split it in two, discuss workflow in the first half19:03
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sgordonand split up to discuss use cases in the second19:03
sgordonseparately, there is the opnfv day on the monday19:04
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sgordonthere was a meeting about the format of that earlier today:19:04
sgordon#link http://meetbot.opnfv.org/meetings/opnfv-meeting/2015/opnfv-meeting.2015-04-29-13.00.html19:04
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sgordonHKirksey, can you provide the TL;DR on the current plan for that block of time?19:04
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HKirkseyYes. In the morning we will have 3 30 minute sessions: 1 OPNFV overview, 1 giving a rundown of active projects and 1 we’d like to ask you (ie telco working group to do)19:06
sgordonok19:06
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sgordonand this is starting after the keynotes at...like 11?19:06
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HKirkseyYep. These three should take us to lunch19:06
sgordonok19:06
sgordoni have a clash at 12:05 as i am supposed to be presenting elsewhere19:07
HKirkseyIn terms of the session from y’all, we were thinking an overview of telco working group, use cases, ideas for collaboration throug the rest of the week19:07
sgordonso hopefully we can rustle up some LUCKY VOLUNTEERS to represent this group :)19:07
HKirkseyAnd anythnig else you’d like us to know19:07
HKirkseyor lucky conscriptees19:07
sgordon#action sgordon to email list about telcowg representation at OPNFV session19:07
sgordonok19:08
sgordon#topic use cases19:08
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sgordonwe seem to be pretty low on attendees this week, so i am going to skip reviewing each case19:08
sgordonbuttt.19:08
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sgordon#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/telcowg-usecases,n,z19:09
HKirkseyIn the afternoon we’re planning a set of project-focused breakouts19:09
sgordoncloudon, were you able to resolve the git issue you were having with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158997/19:09
cloudonnot yet...19:09
cloudon...was waiting on wise words from your or marc...19:09
sgordonahh, i thought marc answered19:09
sgordonmy bad!19:09
cloudonBut how badly can I break things :-)?19:09
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cloudonSorted out the IMS one - it's the revised SBC one I paused on hitting 'yes'19:10
sgordonyeah19:10
cloudonShould I just submit it as an entirely new use case?19:10
sgordoni would just push it19:10
sgordonsee what happens ;)19:10
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cloudonOK, will do19:11
sgordonit may create them as new changesets but perhaps in this case it's easier to abandon the old ones19:11
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cloudonOK, will try that19:12
sgordon#action cloudon working on pushing SBC updates19:13
sgordonok19:13
sgordonthe one other thing was i *started* trying to write up an end to end workflow proposal at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178347/3/doc/source/workflow.rst19:13
sgordononly at a very high level atm19:14
sgordonstarting to flesh it out19:14
sgordonhopefully we can debate this some more next week once i have done so19:14
sgordon#action sgordon to finish drafting workflow proposal19:14
sgordon#topic other business19:14
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sgordondid anyone have anything else they would like to raise this week?19:15
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sgordonim wary of sucking up everybody's time when we dont have a quorum19:15
cloudonslightly off-topic, but any idea when design summit schedule will be published?19:15
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sgordonfunny you should ask i was just looking at this19:15
sgordonhttps://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/19:16
sgordonwip19:16
sgordon#link19:16
cloudonah, thanks - had only found the wiki page saying 'tbd'19:16
sgordon#link https://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/design+summit#.VUEuE-TofCE19:16
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sgordonit's mostly just the ops sessions that have been formally set19:17
sgordonbut the PTLs are working on filling in their allocated slots atm19:17
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sgordonok19:18
sgordonthanks all for your time19:18
cloudonta19:18
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sgordonim going to use the remaining 40 mins to catch up on that workflow lol19:18
sgordon#endmeeting19:18
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blogan#startmeeting octavia19:59
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr 29 19:59:58 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is blogan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:59
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'octavia'20:00
rm_worklol20:00
TrevorVo/20:00
rm_workdat timing20:00
blogan2 seconds off!20:00
madhu_akhi20:00
johnsomo/20:00
ptoohill0/20:00
ajmiller_o/20:00
blogan#topic Announcements20:00
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dougwigo/20:00
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bloganmidcycle for *aas repos and Octavia etherpad20:01
blogan#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/LBaaS-FWaaS-VPNaaS_Summer_Midcycle_meetup20:01
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blogansurprise san antonio hasn't gotten many votes :)20:01
ptoohill:(20:01
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blogananyone have any idea when this will actually be decided? or at least should be?20:02
bloganobviously before the dates20:03
dougwigi put making a decision on the date later on the agenda.20:03
bloganah okay that works then20:03
bloganwe also have the lbaas vancouver planning etherpad20:03
blogan#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lbaas-vancouver-planning20:03
bloganmestery has actually gotten Octavia a fishbowl session! and we'll have a working group for neutron lbaas v2 to sort through the features/issues that should get priority for Liberty20:04
dougwigwe have two sessions... lbaas features and octavia.  please put content for both into that etherpad, and we'll split them before the summit.20:04
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bloganOh looks like german has a brown back for Octavia as well20:06
bloganhttp://openstack.prov12n.com/vbrownbag-techtalks-at-vancouver-summitthe-schedule/20:06
TrevorVThat brown back though20:06
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bloganjohnsom: do you know if that is more of a demo?20:06
johnsomI think his intent is to do demo20:06
blogan#topic Neutron process changes20:07
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blogandougwig this is you20:07
dougwiganother announce, something you all should be aware of:20:07
dougwigneutron - Adopt new spec process for Liberty20:07
dougwig#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177342/20:07
dougwig(done)20:08
blogandougwig can you give a quick summary as to what the process is now?20:08
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bloganat least what it currently looks like it will be since that doc is still evoloving20:08
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dougwigsure.  there is no spec deadline anymore, nor is there a hard requirement to submit a spec to neutron-specs.  if you want something in any neutron project, file an RFE, at any time.  a neutron driver will approve it for a particular milestone, and you can proceed with a blueprint/deisgn doc in neutron/docs/devref (optional), and code.20:09
blogandoes the devref doc have to be in the same review as the code?20:09
dougwigit has to be with the code, so it can be in the same review as the code for simpler things, likely better as a dependent review for bigger stuff.  that's just my take.  the docs are required; sorting out how much and when is something to chat with the cores reviewing your stuff.20:10
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dougwigthat spec hasn't gone in yet, so if you have reservations, comment in the above gerrit review.20:11
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bloganyes as it does have implications for us obviously20:11
bloganwell us in neutron-lbaas :)20:11
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bloganwhich is us20:11
dougwigdepends on the next topic.  :)20:11
blogannice segue20:12
blogan#topic Joining neutron as an openstack project20:12
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blogan#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/062310.html20:12
dougwig#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/062310.html20:12
dougwig#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175952/20:12
bloganthat the new one?20:12
bloganyep20:12
dougwigthis goes back to the discussion from last week, about promoting octavia to an openstack/ project.20:12
dougwigand we can decide to: 1) stay in stackforge, 2) apply for independent status with the TC, or 3) join neutron.20:13
dougwigmy sense is that we could do #3 basically today if desired.20:13
TrevorVdougwig is 3 the option where we'd be under that huge umbrella thing?20:13
blogani think #3 is the best, but anyone else feel differently?20:13
dougwigTrevorV: aye20:13
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ptoohillare we doing a vote?20:14
TrevorVI thought we had desire to make octavia the ref impl for Neutron LBaaS, is that not a thing anymore?20:14
blogani dont think we should do a vote today because I don't think all major stakeholders are here, we should really do an ML thread20:14
ptoohillfair enough20:14
johnsomI think ref impl is #320:14
ajmiller_+1 for discussing on ML.20:14
johnsom+1 for ML20:14
TrevorV+1 for +1 for ML20:15
madhu_akML makes sense20:15
bloganokay I think dougwig or I can start that thread20:15
blogananyone have any concerns about this we can talk about now?20:15
TrevorVAside from the ref-impl thing I just mentioned, nope20:16
bloganthe ref impl thing would still be #320:16
TrevorVBut not so "done today" if it is, right?20:16
johnsomI think we should have the basics working before we merge, but otherwise no additional comments20:16
bloganreally teh only thing to change is we'd have mesteyr as our PTL and we get to say we're openstack20:16
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TrevorVAlright, dead horse and all that, moving on yeh?20:17
bloganjohnsom: actually that was discussed in the thread and as long as we meet the requirements, it doesn't matter if it is working or not20:17
johnsomYeah, I remember that now20:17
bloganbut yeah i suppose all of this can be talked about on the ML20:17
bloganill come back to the next topic bc dougwig had to go afk for a second20:18
blogan#topic Breif progress reports20:18
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TrevorVssh_driver and PUT updates could use reviews20:18
TrevorVI'll link shortly20:18
TrevorV#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/16096420:18
TrevorV#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170989/20:19
johnsomA fix for the keystone domain issue needs a +2/A20:19
blogani think the ssh driver is probably in a decent enough state to merge and then put up individual bug fix reviews, but ill go over it one more final time20:19
johnsom#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178781/20:19
bloganyeah that can be done fairly quickly20:19
dougwigsorry, back20:19
blogandougwig: we'll circle back to your topics in a sec20:20
dougwignp20:20
johnsomI have been testing with the ssh driver.  The bugs I have come across so far are fixed.  I just want to get through a full create/update/delete cycle to confirm20:20
ajmiller_The devstack plugin is basically ready to go, but am holding off on pushing for merge until the backend up and running more completely.20:20
johnsomController worker is coming along.  Thank you for the reviews.  I have tried to incorporate those.20:20
ajmiller_#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167796/20:20
ptoohillIve made a few updates to devstack plugin and other reviews. In process of testing drivers and updating the scriplt blogan had started on. Also, I plan to have a tempest test working soon.20:20
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bloganjohnsom: well i'd like to get the ssh driver merged before the controller worker, and i'd like to get teh controller worker merged soon bugs and all so we can parallelize bug fixe reviews20:21
ptoohillI need to make another patch there since were using api.py Al20:21
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johnsomI am doing testing by driving the controller worker directly.  I am working on an issue that impacts load balancer creation now.20:21
johnsomblogan Agreed.  I put that on the agenda.20:22
bloganjohnsom: ah okay20:22
TrevorVajmiller_ ptoohill are you guys only testing devstack with the REST api?  Just curious20:22
bloganptoohill you were running into global-requirements issues with the devstack plugin right?20:22
TrevorVBy that I mean setup of octavia including the REST api not the ssh_driver20:22
ptoohillits not because of the plugin blogan.20:22
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ptoohilland no, im testing the ssh driver if thats what youre talking about TrevorV20:23
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bloganptoohill: no but it affects the plugin right?20:23
TrevorVOh okay, just checking20:23
ptoohillWhatever is adding the ipaddr/that other one is causing the problems20:23
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bloganptoohill: okay20:23
ptoohillill have to look which reviews those are in. I was trying to test everything and did a bunch of cherry-picking so im not sure which did which20:24
blogan#topic Discuss merging the controller worker20:24
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ptoohillbut removing those does resolve the req sync20:24
johnsomSo, when do we want to merge the beast?20:24
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bloganjohnsom: have you figured out how to reload the variables passed in the store?20:25
johnsomI have been through a create down to health monitors.  Some DB work is required, but it does complete in the end.20:25
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johnsomblogan I'm testing that today.  Plan A didn't work, trying out plan b....20:25
bloganjohnsom: bc i can't figure it out, and talkign to the taskflow people they say there's a hacky way to do it but there's no correct way as far as they coudl tell20:25
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johnsomYeah, I think hacky way is the only way at the moment.20:26
bloganim still down to merge it to be able to parallelize work on it since it is such a behemoth and what you have right now has set it all up well, just need to polish it up20:26
johnsomI have added new flow elements that re-query and should overload the elements in the flow.  Worst case, I go back and switch to passing ids around.20:27
bloganyeah all those db calls, but we may ahve to do it20:27
johnsomI agree.20:27
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ptoohilli had a comment regarding the amp_network in this review that needs addressing at some point johnsom20:27
johnsomptoohill Remind me, which one?20:28
ptoohillI made it lastnight, about it still being a list or not and the adjustment needed if not20:29
ptoohillhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/151496/36/octavia/common/config.py20:29
bloganoh the config option20:29
johnsomAh, yeah, it should be a StrOpt20:29
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ptoohillGood deal ;)20:29
johnsomWe just switched it away from a list based on comments20:29
bloganjohnsom: think we can get this merged by tomorrow? :)20:30
bloganbah by end of the week20:30
bloganstill need to merge ssh driver20:30
ptoohillyea, just wanted to make sure i was on the right page since ih ave a change thats dependent on it20:30
bloganthough if we coudl do both...20:30
johnsomWe just need to pick a time, I will push in my latest changes and we can go.20:30
johnsomSo, this afternoon, tomorrow, etc. I'm open20:31
bloganjohnsom: okay lets coordinate after meeting20:31
blogan#topic Finalize meetup dates20:31
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bloganfor the midcycle20:31
ptoohillNEVER, for me #supersadpandaprobably20:31
bloganfyi we (Rax people) dont know yet whether we will be able to go20:32
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johnsom7/15-7/17 is the only window that works for me.  It also has the most votes20:32
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dougwigbased on the etherpad, can we just decide on that window and plan from there?20:32
bloganits actaully the only one with any votes, all hte others have -1's20:32
blogandougwig: +120:33
ajmiller_+120:33
jwarendt+120:33
blogandeleting in 320:33
blogan220:33
blogan120:33
bloganbeat me to it20:33
bloganmust have been dougwig20:33
madhu_aknice20:33
ajmiller_I need to sign off, take care of some family stuff..20:33
dougwigdone.20:33
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bloganajmiller_: take care man!20:34
dougwigok, next week we can joust over location20:34
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bloganim the only one to vote for boise20:34
johnsomMaui20:34
dougwigjohnsom: +120:34
dougwig(i think we can move on)20:35
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blogandougwig: anything you wanted to add to the discussion about moving octavia under neutron?20:36
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blogan#topic Dougwig's Playland20:36
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dougwigno, i'm fine with where it was left.  i like #3 as well.  can we have a gerrit vote or something?  the ML is as lossy as these meetings.20:36
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ptoohillis  it open discussion? I'm curious what is needed to get the new reqs into global-reqs so it doesnt fail anymore. Not sure how others arent running into this. Am I missing something?20:36
dougwigi'm fine with posting either one.20:36
johnsomLet's have a ML discussion, then gerrit vote.20:37
dougwigptoohill: pull down openstack/requirements and submit a patch.20:37
ptoohillah20:37
dougwigjohnsom: ok, let's move it there.20:37
ptoohillThank you dougwig20:37
johnsomWe have hit the actdiag issue with openstack/requirements too20:37
blogani think the two entries are requirements for pecan, which is surprise pecan doesn't pull them down20:38
blogansurprising20:38
ptoohillI'm not alone, though I only seen the ipaddr and the pecan one20:38
blogansingledispatch20:38
bloganand ipaddr20:38
ptoohillYea, those two20:38
blogananything else?20:38
bloganfrom anyone?20:38
ptoohillactdiag?20:38
blogansphinx20:39
ptoohillah20:39
johnsomThe doc-requirements has actdiag which isn't upstream20:39
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ptoohillGuess i dont have that review picked20:39
dougwigdoc-requirements exists as my way of getting around the proposal bot, fyi.20:39
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blogani think its a good idea20:40
dougwiganything in there is *not* checked, but tox does pull it in.20:40
ptoohilloh, i see20:40
* blogan watches for a hole to open up underneath for saying dougwig had a good idea20:40
johnsomWe have a team that does builds and uses a local pypi that only load openstack/requirements.  May not be an issue outside our strange team.20:40
bloganstrange is normal20:40
ptoohill:)20:40
dougwigi didn't mean for anything that the egg requires to go in that file.20:40
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bloganalright i think its time to end20:42
bloganhave a good day!20:42
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blogan#endmeeting20:42
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