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reedhello folks, anybody here for the community service meeting?15:02
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dims#startmeeting oslo16:03
openstackMeeting started Mon Mar 30 16:03:29 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dims. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:03
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:03
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'oslo'16:03
stevemaro/16:03
jecareyo/16:03
harlowja_at_homeyo yo16:03
rpodolyaka1o/16:03
dimssorry for the delay16:03
kgiustio/16:03
harlowja_at_homenp16:03
bknudson'zup16:03
harlowja_at_homesup dawgs16:04
amotokihi16:04
dims#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo16:04
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dimscourtesy ping for jd__, dims, bnemec, flaper87, harlowja, viktors, rpodolyaka, zzzeek, sileht, kgiusti, dansmith16:04
zzzeeko/16:04
dimscourtesy ping for redrobot, jungleboyj, zhiyan, therve, amotoki, GheRivero, bknudson, ihrachyshka, jogo, dougwig, sreshetnyak, amrith16:04
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dims#topic Review action items from previous meeting16:05
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dimsthere was one item, oslo.db fix backporting...that's done16:05
dims#topic Red flags for/from liaisons16:05
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bknudsonnone for keystone16:06
harlowja_at_hometaskflow got a release in also; i haven't heard anything so i'm assuming its all going ok16:06
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dimsbknudson: harlowja_at_home: thanks16:06
harlowja_at_homenp16:06
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sputnik13alo16:06
dims#topic Feature freeze16:06
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dimsany one needs exceptions?16:07
harlowja_at_homenot me16:07
dimsi think i saw something about backing out a change in oslo-inc16:07
silehto/16:07
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harlowja_at_homedims,  hmmm, whichone?16:08
harlowja_at_homeah https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168924/ i guess?16:08
dims#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168924/16:08
dimsanyone wants to chime in on that please take a look Revert "Optimization of waiting subprocesses in ProcessLauncher"16:08
harlowja_at_homedamn launcher and eventlet, :(16:08
rpodolyaka1indeed :(16:08
silehtstill the same story...16:09
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dimsk moving on16:09
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dims#topic Ongoing work & Review priorities16:09
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bknudson"eventlet goes crazy" he he16:10
dimsany more backports to stable/kilo from anyone?16:10
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harlowja_at_homethe big one was the heartbeat stuff right?16:10
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harlowja_at_home*the big backport that is16:10
dimsharlowja_at_home: y, we released that16:10
silehtharlowja_at_home, that done16:10
harlowja_at_homecools16:10
bnemec\o/16:10
harlowja_at_home:)16:10
dimssileht: any update on https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.messaging/+bug/1436788 ?16:11
openstackLaunchpad bug 1436788 in oslo.messaging "rabbitmq heartbeat failures don't reset connections" [Undecided,New]16:11
jd__there are patches waiting for stable in tooz that will need a release once merged16:11
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dimsjd__: ack16:11
silehtdims, no news16:11
jd__and I've patches i'd like to see merged and release in oslo.serialization :)16:11
harlowja_at_homesileht,  it'd be interesting to hear about how u feel the heartbeat stuff went, maybe upstream kombu can be made better; giving some feedback to upstream projects might be useful?16:11
dimsjd__: the timestamp ones?16:11
jd__dims: that and 2 more IIRC16:11
flaper87o/16:11
silehtharlowja_at_home, I have opened that recently: https://github.com/celery/kombu/issues/46316:12
dimsjd__: paste them here please with #link16:12
harlowja_at_homesileht, cool16:12
jd__https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/oslo.serialization+branch:master+topic:jd/remove-strtime,n,z16:12
harlowja_at_homesileht, it'd be a neat blog post once it 'calms down' a little16:12
dimszzzeek: any oslo.db things needed?16:12
zzzeekdims: not really16:12
dimszzzeek: that's good news :)16:12
zzzeekdims: my stuff is on hold until evertyhing isnt frozen16:12
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dimszzzeek: we have stable/kilo cut already, so we can move things on16:13
zzzeekdims: do we want to talk about enginefacde?  because that’s the big one16:13
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dimszzzeek: hang on, till we open discussion16:13
harlowja_at_homezzzeek, that needs to mergeee; been to long :-P16:13
zzzeekharlowja_at_home: sure16:14
harlowja_at_home:)16:14
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* zzzeek hasn’t done anything oslo in like a month16:14
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dimsgot specs anyone?16:14
dims#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack%2Foslo-specs+is:open,n,z16:14
harlowja_at_homehmmm, i'll write some i think; got some idears16:14
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dimsharlowja_at_home: ++++16:14
harlowja_at_homemaybe do that this week16:14
harlowja_at_homealthough i guess my idea is connected to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/151300/16:15
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dims#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-oslo-summit-planning16:15
harlowja_at_homei'd like to have msgpack be used more; it at least isn't as lossless...16:15
dimsplease flesh out etherpad everyone16:15
dimshmm, got link wrong16:15
harlowja_at_homeya, seems blank16:16
bnemecTry https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-oslo-summit-planning16:16
dims#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-oslo-summit-planning16:16
dimsthanks bnemec16:16
harlowja_at_homeya, much better16:16
dimsgiving everyone a minute to peek16:17
harlowja_at_homewhen does that session schedule planning start?16:17
harlowja_at_homeprobably soon i guess16:17
harlowja_at_home*aka the actual schedule16:17
dimsharlowja_at_home: don't know yet16:17
harlowja_at_homek16:17
dims#action : dims to find schedule for session planning16:17
dimsanyone see things we can add?16:17
dimsone thing for liaisions, we need to add a bunch at the very bottom of the page16:18
dims"Adopt oslo-config-generator and get rid of existing generator.py"16:18
dimsthings to do for next cycle16:18
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harlowja_at_homedims, no big hurry on the schedule finding; more of just curious since it always seems sorta arbitrary, lol16:19
* bknudson is hoping things will generally settle down with oslo work in keystone.16:19
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bknudsonnot that there's been a lot this release.16:19
dimsharlowja_at_home: y mostly needed for bargaining upwards on how may slots we need i think16:19
dimsbknudson: haha :)16:19
dimsk. moving16:19
dims#topic open discussion16:19
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dimszzzeek: you are on :)16:20
zzzeekdims: oh hey :)16:20
zzzeekso enginefacade is this big refactoring of how everyone will connect to sesssions and engines16:20
zzzeekand me and mbooth have tried to get it into nova and hit a lot of complications16:20
zzzeekso I’ve refacotred it like four times and now it really can do like, anything.    so we can merge it, its backwards-compatible, but nobody is using it yet16:20
harlowja_at_home#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138215/16:20
zzzeekyeah16:21
zzzeekso the issue is, we stil ldont know if any projects can use the API as is, b.c. when we hit nova, we hit all kinds of edge cases16:21
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harlowja_at_homecan u use the new 'depends-on' feature to push it into other projects as a WIP somehow?16:21
zzzeekturns out, the best way to migrate is that we *dont* change transaction boundaries to start with, nova has cases where they may be relying on a transacvtion nested in another transaction16:21
bknudsonwhat issues did nova have?16:21
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zzzeekbknudson: a lot with “this method needs to be able to retry itself”, inside of the context of a bigger transaction16:22
zzzeekbknudson: which you can do by using a savepoint16:22
bknudsonkeystone barely uses isolation.16:22
bknudsonmostly ignored and hope for the best.16:22
zzzeekbknudson: but, nova isn’t doing that now :)  so, its dramatic changes in how transactions work.   so enginefacade right now, can be rolled out onto nova in such a way that its all the new code, but the way transactions demarcarte is completely maintained16:22
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zzzeekbknudson: mbooth really dug into it and kept finding more and more weird edges where maybe things would no longer work, if we used one big transaction16:23
bknudsonmight need to clean up the nova code first... wouldn't be the first time.16:23
dimsright bknudson16:24
bknudsonalthough it seems to be difficult to get code reorgs into nova.16:24
harlowja_at_homeit would seem uesful to have a vancouver session about how to make this get into projects (with the various folks/cores from the projects there to provide some insight)16:24
zzzeekbknudson: also, if we were using “master” for read/write and “slave” for reads, w galera, what if an API call bounced from a “read/write” into a “read”, woudl the “read” have the data available immediately16:24
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dimszzzeek: do we need a nova session, we can ask for one16:24
zzzeekdims: yes16:24
harlowja_at_home*just what i am thinking; making sure that they are there and involved...16:24
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dimszzzeek: please add here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-summit-ideas16:24
zzzeekbut i would note - that right now, the legacy EngineFacade can be replaced with the new system in nova, all throughout, with no change in semantics, and I think we should go for that, then when on the new API, begin improving the nesting of transactions16:24
harlowja_at_homeya, that does seem like a good plan16:25
harlowja_at_homebreak nothing, then start breaking/adjusting as we go16:25
dims#action zzzeek to add oslo.db enginefacade to nova agenda - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-summit-ideas16:25
harlowja_at_home*where breaking == making better16:25
zzzeekharlowja_at_home: but!  when i first asked about this, nova devs were very nervous about a single patch that changes all “get_session()” globally.16:25
harlowja_at_homearg16:25
harlowja_at_homethat to me seems like we just need the nova folks more actively involved16:25
dimsrpodolyaka1: could use some help on this?16:26
harlowja_at_homesomeone needs to hug them, and stuff so that they don't feel nervous...16:26
harlowja_at_home^ maybe not for real, lol16:26
bknudsonhug session at the summit.16:26
harlowja_at_homelol16:26
dimsharlowja_at_home: jaypipes and rpodolyaka1 can help i think16:26
dimsharlowja_at_home: ++16:26
zzzeekharlowja_at_home: also, nobody in nova seems to have too much enthusiasm for the whole thing :)16:26
sputnik13everyone needs a hug now and again16:26
harlowja_at_home:)16:26
harlowja_at_homezzzeek, ya, i'm not sure whats up with that16:26
zzzeekthere’s the possibility that we go for enginefacade in a project with simpler database logic, as nova is probably one of the worst16:27
dimszzzeek: harlowja_at_home: that's beer worthy discussion :)16:27
* harlowja_at_home thinks it must be related to the hug problem16:27
harlowja_at_homedims,  ;)16:27
dimszzzeek: so which others can start earlier then?16:27
rpodolyaka1dims: sure!16:27
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zzzeekdims: ummm there was another project someone mentioned…16:28
zzzeekdims: maybe zaqar ?16:28
harlowja_at_homecinder might be possible also?16:28
zzzeekharlowja_at_home: yes16:28
harlowja_at_homealthough the objects stuff is probably one of the other factors thats diverting peoples attention16:29
dimswe can ping liaisons again16:29
harlowja_at_home^ which makes them more nervous...16:29
zzzeekdims harlowja_at_home : i think zaqar was mentioned b.c. im a redhatter and other redhatters are working on it16:29
harlowja_at_homeya, might be a good way to go16:29
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harlowja_at_homemakes the hugging easier to do when they are all nearby16:30
harlowja_at_homelol16:30
zzzeekharlowja_at_home: um right this IRC server vs. the other IRC server :)16:30
dimszzzeek: +1 if you can get someone from there to help16:30
harlowja_at_home:-p16:30
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zzzeekdims: im waiting for a big track of time where I can just do a POC for nova.  mbooth did a lot of good work but I want to just get the old code ripped out first, and replaced with a 100% compatible but new API16:30
dimszzzeek: do we have anything written down other than this? http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/oslo-specs/specs/kilo/make-enginefacade-a-facade.html16:31
zzzeekdims: there’s a nova spec also hold on16:31
zzzeekhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/150434/16:31
dimszzzeek: we can get things into oslo.db trunk and then use this trick (Depends-On and LIBS_FROM_GIT) to stabilize a nova patch16:32
dimshttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/160149/16:32
zzzeekdims: OK im not yet familiar with that16:32
harlowja_at_homedims,  nice; good idea16:32
zzzeekdims: but sure16:32
dimszzzeek: i'll work with you on that16:32
zzzeekdims: ok16:32
dimsk. let's switch...16:32
harlowja_at_homesounds like a common pattern we might want to shove on a twiki somewhere zzzeek dims16:32
zzzeekdims: can you start by reviewing enginefacade and getting your head around it a bit ?16:33
dimszzzeek: ack will do16:33
zzzeekdims: it’s changed a bunch since the blueprint16:33
dimsright16:33
dimsanyone else have something to talk about?16:33
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dimsanyone *not* making it to vancouver?16:34
* harlowja_at_home will be there16:34
zzzeekdo you fokls all go to the asia summits too, that’s a longer trip16:34
harlowja_at_homesummit #7 or something for me, lol16:34
harlowja_at_homezzzeek, i'm not sure i want to go to the tokyo one16:34
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harlowja_at_homewe'll see16:34
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dimszzzeek: y i attended a couple16:35
bknudsontokyo is one of the safest cities.16:35
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harlowja_at_homeya, just so far, pita....16:35
zzzeekharlowja_at_home: same….im super curious to see tokyo but got a 1-year olds 1st birthday at the same time here…. also not a huge airplane/jetlag fan…16:35
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harlowja_at_homezzzeek, ya; i know what u mean, i did hong kong, paris, think i might let someone else go to the international one or something16:35
harlowja_at_homewe'll see16:35
dimszzzeek: yay! grow up too fast :)16:35
sputnik132nd birthday comes quick after the 1st16:36
bknudsonI don't remember my 1st birthday16:36
harlowja_at_homelol16:36
dimshaha16:36
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harlowja_at_homei'm only 2 so i remeber it16:36
sputnik13and before you know it they're in day care16:36
dimsharlowja_at_home: one of my friends was born on Feb 2916:36
dimsso, let's wrap up16:37
harlowja_at_homedims, guess he's/shes pretty young then :-P16:37
dimshaha y16:37
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dimsmore on our regular channel. ttyl folks16:37
dims#endmeeting16:37
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mrmartino/17:00
dizquierdo_o/17:01
mrmartinhave you seen reed?17:01
reedwho?17:01
dizquierdo_mrmartin, he should be around, I talked to him17:01
dizquierdo_:)17:01
reed#startmeeting community17:01
openstackMeeting started Mon Mar 30 17:01:43 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is reed. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:01
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mrmartinhi17:01
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'community'17:01
reedhi guys17:01
dizquierdo_hi17:01
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mrmartinso let's review the action items of last meeting17:02
reed#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Community/MeetingAgenda#Agenda_for_March_30.2C_201517:03
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reedmrmartin, let's start from askbot17:03
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reedbut first17:03
reed#topic  check previous action items http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/community/2015/community.2015-03-23-17.01.html17:04
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reedreed to prepare a visual diagram based on dizquierdo's rst file: done17:04
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reed#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/File:Grimoire-arch.png17:04
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reeddizquierdo to look at other openstack-infra/puppet-* modules and refactor mlstats puppet17:05
reedhow is that going, dizquierdo_?17:05
dizquierdo_reed, we decided to delay this, till we get a proper view of the architecture17:05
dizquierdo_although dpose is working on that17:05
reedok17:05
dizquierdo_or at least he's aware of that17:05
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reed#info dizquierdo_ delayed the refactoring mlstats puppet module until architecture is more clear17:06
reedhow about the next action item? dizquierdo to add to the spec the description of database management17:06
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dizquierdo_reed, I added to the spec file info about the databases17:06
dizquierdo_and also information related to Automator, the tool in charge of automating the whole process17:06
reedautomator?17:06
reedok17:07
dizquierdo_retrieval + running all of the tools17:07
dizquierdo_https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/activity-infratization-spec17:07
dizquierdo_lines 54-65 and 75-136 are the new ones17:07
reedok, if we have time, we'll discuss those later17:07
dizquierdo_ok17:07
reedand the following topics are for mrmartin, part of the already scheduled topics17:08
dizquierdo_well reed17:08
dizquierdo_just a comment17:08
dizquierdo_there were pending issues in GitHub17:08
dizquierdo_we advanced in some of them17:08
dizquierdo_at least closed one, and there are comments in the others17:08
reedright, dizquierdo_, we have those as later topics17:08
dizquierdo_ah ok, sorry17:08
reed#topic  Infratization of Askbot17:08
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reed#info reed has done more testing reported results to the community list...17:09
mrmartinso askbot17:09
reed#info Chinese search on the new server works as in the production server, only with roman characters17:09
mrmartinthe Chinese patch was accepted, and we have this roman char issue17:10
reedso the two servers are similarly broken, right?17:10
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mrmartinyeah, but I can debug that17:10
reedok, we need to decide today if we move as it is and fix it later17:10
mrmartinsolr communicates through a REST like api, so it is possible to identify whether solr config is bad, or askbot sending wrong indexes or search queries17:10
reedor fix it now before moving17:11
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mrmartinI can allocate time for that tomorrow, let's check it, if it means a quick fix, apply that17:11
reeddid you find out about the pip package?17:11
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reedis it a good source to install?17:11
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mrmartinwhen I deployed the pip first, it was a very recent release17:12
reedok17:12
reedi say let's go for pip then17:12
mrmartinbut basically I support the pip or some packaged form17:12
reedyes, we can work with Evgeny on that I guess17:13
mrmartinbecause it won't broke a system17:13
mrmartinif a new github patch arrives17:13
reedso we should wait until tomorrow to set a deadline for the switch?17:13
mrmartinyes I suggest that17:13
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reed#info check back with mrmartin on March 31st to decide a deadline for switching the server17:14
reedmrmartin, how about the backup scripts? what was the decision there?17:14
mrmartinso there was a little confusion, and we needed to backup pgsql what was a non-existent puppet module for infra17:15
mrmartinhttps://review.openstack.org/16763117:15
mrmartinhttps://review.openstack.org/16811717:15
mrmartinthis two patch just waiting for final approval17:15
reedok17:16
mrmartinand if it is there, we I just need to add a bup resource, a third patch to manage the backup app at instance side.17:16
reeddo those need to merge before we can cut-off the old server?17:16
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mrmartinanyway this third patch will require a little time to pass infra, because it is requires manual intervention at backup server side (create credentials, keys, etc.)17:16
mrmartinanyway17:17
mrmartinI found something :D17:17
mrmartinI just realized that we have an ask-staging.o.o instance, and actual ask.o.o is creating daily backups there17:17
reed#info the backup of the new askbot server is depending on  https://review.openstack.org/167631 and  https://review.openstack.org/168117, and possibly a third patch17:17
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reedgood :)17:18
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mrmartinwe need something like that for bup resource entry: https://github.com/openstack-infra/system-config/blob/master/modules/openstack_project/manifests/groups.pp#L8617:18
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mrmartinso that's the askbot status17:19
mrmartinok, let's go on with groups17:20
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reedcool17:20
mrmartin#topic groups status17:21
reed#info post-pone the decision to move askbot to the new server until March 31st, pending sync-up with reed and mrmartin after infra meeting17:21
reed#topic groups status17:21
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mrmartinso this event location integration with o.o is done17:21
mrmartinlooks nice finally.17:21
mrmartinThe security fix and Commons 3.15 -> 3.23 upgrade done17:22
mrmartinand a little notice here17:22
reed#info integration of events with openstack.org is done17:22
mrmartin:)17:22
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reed#info The security fix and Commons 3.15 -> 3.23 upgrade done17:22
mrmartinthis upgrade broke only one thing, new users who had an o.o profile and don't have an account at groups.o.o cannot login17:23
reedi saw a patch for that: is that issue fixed?17:23
mrmartinbecause some code in token handling eat up all of the php process memory and either segfaulted or timed out.17:24
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reedlovely17:24
mrmartinI realized that on Friday, was a bit hard to find what the heck happend17:24
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mrmartinbecause independently everything was working, and integration of three modules commons_activity_streams, tokens and groups_ouath2 caused this bug17:25
mrmartinso the patch is out now17:25
mrmartinboth on dev, and production17:25
reedis the site working correctly?17:25
mrmartinneeds to work now17:25
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reedwhat do you mean?17:25
mrmartinI can test it quickly17:26
reedok, thansk17:26
mrmartinok, it works well now17:26
reedanything else on the groups portal?17:27
mrmartinok, so originally after the sec upgrade, I started to work on this notification17:27
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mrmartinwhen somebody register a new group, we are getting an email about that (or sends an email to ambassador@ ML)17:28
reedcool17:28
reedtom wants the email to go to ambassadors list17:28
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mrmartinit is in progress, because I run into that upgrade issue17:28
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reedno problem17:28
reedok17:28
mrmartinthe portal have a very nice Messaging system concept17:28
reednext topic17:28
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mrmartinso that's to status, I'll go with that after the ask solr task.17:29
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reed#topic activity board progress on github issues17:29
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reed#link https://github.com/VizGrimoire/VizGrimoireJS/issues17:29
reedmrmartin, yep, askbot is priority17:29
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dizquierdo_reed, Luis was in charge of filtering that list of issues17:30
dizquierdo_and one of them was closed17:30
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dizquierdo_and I'd say that in the rest of them, he's waiting for some extra info17:30
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reedok, I'll go through them17:30
dizquierdo_the one closed was this one: https://github.com/VizGrimoire/VizGrimoireJS/issues/5517:30
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dizquierdo_and this should be deployed to the activity board in the following days17:30
reedcook17:31
reedcool17:31
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reedif there is nothing special to discuss, let's continue on the tracker17:31
dizquierdo_this is all the progress related to the GH issues17:31
dizquierdo_sure17:32
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reedsounds good...17:32
reedanything else to discuss?17:32
dizquierdo_reed, not sure if mrmartin had the chance to have a look at the vagrant machine17:32
dizquierdo_although this is related to the first topic17:32
mrmartinI'll check it on this week, this sec fix was priority.17:33
reedI think it's better to save time to focus on the items with shorter deadlines, like the Report17:33
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reedyeah, agreed with that priority, mrmartin17:33
dizquierdo_oh reed, is this the place to talk about the quarterly report progress?17:33
reedI have a bunch of reading to do and things to discuss with dizquierdo_, so we should probably close the joined meeting and move to ad-hoc channel17:34
dizquierdo_sure17:34
reeddizquierdo_, we can close the meeting, send mrmartin to work and you and I can focus on the quarterly report17:34
mrmartinok.17:34
dizquierdo_ok17:34
mrmartinsend mrmartin to sleep :D17:34
dizquierdo_:)17:34
reedindeed :)17:34
reedthat's what I meant :)17:34
reed#endmeeting17:34
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reedthanks everyone17:34
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dizquierdo_thanks!17:35
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koteswarhi Manju :)17:52
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ManjunathHi Koteswar17:55
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SukhdevHello folks17:59
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koteswarhi sukhdev18:00
vikashi all18:00
koteswarmaruti may not be able to attend this meeting18:01
Sukhdevarmax is going to join us as well - lets give him a minute or so to join18:01
armaxI am here18:01
Sukhdevkoteswar: yes, he sent me an email18:01
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SukhdevCool - we have all the folks18:01
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Sukhdev#startmeeting networking_l2gw18:01
openstackMeeting started Mon Mar 30 18:01:47 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:01
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Sukhdev#topic: Agenda18:02
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Sukhdev#link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/L2Gateway18:02
Sukhdev#topic: Announcements18:02
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SukhdevI have an announcement18:02
SukhdevI updated our L2 GW wiki to include the documentation -18:03
SukhdevDo not know if you guys had any chance to look at it yet18:03
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Sukhdevhttp://docs-draft.openstack.org/39/164639/3/check/gate-networking-l2gw-docs/b111c4c//doc/build/html/18:03
koteswaryea. i have seen it. u linked l2gateway documentation in the wikipage18:04
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SukhdevAlso, in last week's Neutron core meeting I announced about the availability of our API18:04
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SukhdevI wanted to make sure wider audience is aware of this and start to use it18:05
Sukhdevkoteswar: good18:05
koteswarok.18:05
SukhdevAny body has any announcement that you want to share with the team?18:05
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Sukhdev#topic: Project Status18:06
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koteswar@sukhdev: as you know l2gw packaging is under review. vikas is waiting for +2 from armando\18:06
Manjunath@Vikas can you go ahead and talk about packaging stuff18:07
vikasyes..18:07
armaxvikas: I’ll be picking up on l2gw related reviews this week18:07
armaxI was swamped with Neutron’s RC reviews last week18:07
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armaxthat said, I am not the only one with +2 rights18:07
vikasok fine18:08
vikashttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/163827/18:08
SukhdevNow armax is making me feel guilty:-)18:08
armaxSukhdev: I wasn’t blaming anyone :)18:08
SukhdevI looked at the reviews over the weekend18:08
Sukhdevvikas: I reviewed this earlier and posted comment - I will look at it today18:09
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vikasok fine18:10
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ManjunathMyself and Phani reported some bugs and we are working on it.18:10
koteswarall the major code is merged in stackforge. only some defect fixes are pending18:10
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SukhdevThis has been amazing progress - hats off to you guys18:11
koteswarwe started testing end to end with HP switch18:11
Sukhdevkoteswar: how is it coming?18:11
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Sukhdevkoteswar: VM to BM ping back-n-forth?18:12
koteswarsukhdev: you guys can start testing with arista switches and let us know the status18:12
Sukhdevkoteswar: I have two people looking at it18:12
koteswaryes sukhdev. VM to BM ping is working fine.18:13
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Sukhdevkoteswar: that is great18:14
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koteswarok. please let us know if you guys face any issues18:14
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Sukhdevkoteswar: I will - I am trying to get the testing scheduled -18:15
koteswarsukhdev: ok. thanks.18:16
SukhdevI have commitment from two people to jump on it soon - they have already pulled the code and reviewed it. It is looking all good18:16
SukhdevI have a bit of update as well - will provide in a bit - want to have you guys cover first18:16
koteswarok18:17
Sukhdev#topic: Patches under review:18:17
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SukhdevWe discussed about one patch - anything else on any of other patches?18:18
koteswarfrom now onwards armando asked to raise defects and then raise code review against it18:18
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Sukhdevkoteswar: that is the right way....18:18
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SukhdevI saw few bugs - which is a good thing - that means things are working18:19
vikashttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/167556/18:19
koteswarsukhdev: what ever the issues found, please raise defects in launchpad18:19
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Sukhdevkoteswar: will do18:19
Sukhdevarmax: when ever you become overwhelmed, feel free to ping me, I would be happy to step in18:20
armaxSukhdev: ok,18:21
koteswarfew patch sets are waiting for +2 from armando https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/networking-l2gw,n,z18:21
armaxI am always overwhelmed18:21
armax:)18:21
SukhdevOK - I will review these patches later this evening18:22
Sukhdevkoteswar: feel free to ping me - I am mostly on the neutron channel18:22
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SukhdevAnything else on the patches?18:23
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Sukhdev#topic: Discussion about missing pieces18:23
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koteswarsukhdev: ok18:23
Sukhdevarmax: for Kilo, is there anything additional that is missing?18:24
armaxwe’d need to pusblish this stuff to pypi, but other than that we should be good18:25
armaxSukhdev: I am thinking of adding an AFFILIATED file to Neutron that captures all the neutron-related project, just for reference18:25
armaxbut that would be it18:25
Sukhdevarmax: I can help with pypi stuff18:26
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armaxSukhdev: you got yourself an #action18:26
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Sukhdev#action: Sukhdev to look at adding L2-GW to pypi18:26
Sukhdevarmax: for versioning - 2015.1.1 is good, right?18:27
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armaxSukhdev: not sure if going with the 0.x.y scheme is better18:28
armaxSukhdev: this is a sort of library after all18:28
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Sukhdevarmax: I was thinking we can align it with neutron release by using similar numbering - i.e. 2015.1.X with kilo/stable and 2015.2..x with Liberty/stable, etc..18:29
Sukhdevthis way we can add bug fixes, etc on different versions to keep it aligned with Neutron releases18:30
armaxSukhdev: that works too, but the nice thing about the different versioning scheme is that we don’t have to align18:30
armaxand go at our pace18:30
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Sukhdevarmax: I guess you have a point - I was thinking down the road, when many people are using this with different releases of Neutron (fast forward 2 years) and want to submit fixes to only sub branches18:32
armax2 years from now, I dunno if I am alive18:32
armax:)18:33
Sukhdevarmax: Well, when thinking versioning, etc.. it is good to think that way18:33
armaxjokes aside, yes18:33
Sukhdevarmax: I can place a bet that I will be bugging you two years down the road as well (God willing :-))18:33
armaxdo we see ourselves iterate faster than Neutron?18:34
armaxI would think so18:34
Sukhdevarmax: Yes,18:34
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Sukhdevarmax: actually may be -18:34
armaxhow do other projects’ versioning scheme is like? I see that most choose x.y.z where x,y,z=0,1,2,3,…18:34
armaxso I figured that it’s prolly more appropriate18:34
Sukhdevconsidering we are in early stage - I have a feeling many will jump in and would want to make changes, enhancements, etc18:35
Sukhdevarmax: I just went through the discussion about networking_arista, and decided it that way18:35
Sukhdevthis gives tremendous flexibility to vendors, users, developers -18:36
armaxSukhdev: sure, overall they are pretty much the same, it’s a matter of perception18:36
armaxSukhdev: I leave the choice to you18:36
armaxor the larger consensus18:37
armaxof the folks sitting in this room18:37
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Sukhdevwhat do others think?18:37
SukhdevHere is how I was thinking:18:37
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Manjunathwe can align it with neutron release18:38
SukhdevWhen kilo is close, we will create a branch on this project called kilo/stable, create a tag, version it, and publish it to pypi18:38
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armaxSukhdev: ok18:39
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Manjunathok18:39
SukhdevAnd, going forward, the version for the master branch for this project will become 2015.2.018:40
Sukhdevthis way now one can fix bug against only Kilo, if they want or against both master and kilo18:40
Sukhdevthe users who do not care about the release (e.g. if they pick neutron master branch) they will simply use "pip install networking_l2gw" and get the latest code18:41
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ManjunathAgreed18:42
Sukhdevfor those who worry about using a specific code branch they can use "sudo pip install networking_l2gw>=2015.1.0, <2015.2.0" - this gives them latest on the kilo/stable18:42
koteswarif nuetron changes its version amd l2gw has no changes, do we still change l2gw version to align with neutron?18:42
Sukhdevkoteswar: we do not have to - but, if we make any fix which will go into liberty, then we do18:43
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SukhdevFor instance (as an example) - kilo/stable will support vxlan<->VLAN mapping. If we add VLAN<->VLAN mapping in liberty - we can change the version18:44
SukhdevHope this is making sense18:44
koteswarsukhdev: ok18:45
SukhdevWe can discuss further in our next meeting - once you have had a chance to digest it and think about it18:45
Sukhdevarmax: does this make sense?18:45
koteswarsukhdev:sure18:46
SukhdevWe still have some time to do this - Kilo does not go our until 4/2918:46
armaxSukhdev: sure18:46
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SukhdevSounds good18:46
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SukhdevAnything else on this?18:46
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* Sukhdev waiting18:46
Sukhdev#topic: Open Discussion18:47
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SukhdevI want to give you guys an update18:47
SukhdevI have been socializing this project with wider audiaence18:47
Sukhdevmany people are not aware of this project18:47
SukhdevWhen I give them high level overview - everybody likes it18:48
SukhdevI have been sending the link to our wiki to many vendors/customers18:48
SukhdevWe need to make sure that we make larger population aware of this18:49
Sukhdevthat is it from me18:50
Sukhdevanybody wants to add anything?18:50
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Sukhdevarmax: any final departing thoughts?18:51
armaxSukhdev: nope18:51
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SukhdevOK - folks, in that case we are done - thanks for joining and providing update18:51
Sukhdev#endmeeting18:51
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davidlenwell#startmeeting refstack18:56
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vladiskuz|3o/18:58
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cleeo/18:59
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davidlenwellfor the record I am going to repeat this.. officially .. I hate day light savings time..18:59
catherineDo/19:00
Rockygdavidlenwell:  ++19:00
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davidlenwellwell lets get started..19:00
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davidlenwellToday's agenda: 1) Status of implementation of agreed action items of Feb f2f meeting. 2) refstack.net / ui / access to servers..    3) Any design session for refstack for Vacouver summit 4) Pending review19:01
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davidlenwell#topic Status of implementation of agreed action items of Feb f2f meeting.19:02
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davidlenwell#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack_f2f_feb_201519:02
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sslypushenko__o/19:03
davidlenwellI don't think we need to rehash anything in this list by typing it into chat.. but I'd like everyone to take a minute today and review our status and make sure anything waiting on you is up to date.19:03
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davidlenwellany comments or questions?19:04
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davidlenwellokay .. lets move on.. save anything about work items for the end durring open discussion19:05
davidlenwell#topic refstack.net / ui / access to servers..19:05
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davidlenwellCatherine and I have been planning what to do with the ui end of our story..19:06
davidlenwellat the moment.. the short plan is to create a simple web ui.. starting with a home page that is rendered from the readme.md file in the root of refstacks repository.19:06
davidlenwellpvaneck:  is prototying the code for that currently..19:07
davidlenwellpvaneck: do you have any updates on that?  I know we just talked about on friday.19:07
pvaneckright, I've been looking at storyboard-webclient for an idea on structure and angularjs usage19:08
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pvaneckbut nothing concrete just yet19:08
hogepodgefyi, it looks like storyboard is being mothballed (since pvaneck mentioned it)19:08
davidlenwellI think that is a good place to start.. however feel free to use the angular beginer manual and make some of your own choices19:08
davidlenwellyes.. hogepodge .. I had an in depth conversation with mordred about that over the weekend..19:09
pvaneckyes, haha, going through some tutorials19:09
sslypushenko__pvaneck: Do you have any experience with angularjs?19:09
pvanecksslypushenko__: only started lookning at it recently19:09
davidlenwellthey havn't fully pulled the trigger on that yet .. but they don't have the development staff to being it to the level we need it to be.. so they are exploring options.19:09
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sslypushenko__pvaneck: :(19:09
davidlenwellsslypushenko__:  are you expieranced with angular?19:10
sslypushenko__No19:10
davidlenwellI was hoping to broaden pvaneck's skills a little19:10
davidlenwellits pretty easy to pick up19:10
pvaneckinteresting enough to learn19:10
davidlenwellangular + bootstrap is a pretty powerful mix when making front end19:10
sslypushenko__I wiil see soon)19:11
davidlenwellokay .. lets move on and talk about hosting19:11
davidlenwellpreviously we planned to create a script that keeps refstack.net up to date with trunk code19:11
davidlenwellit would be my preference for no user to ever log into the refstack.net web server.. in fact I'd like the entire hosting exp to be as automated as possible..19:12
catherineDdavidlenwell: I think we have story writeen for that ...19:12
sslypushenko__We need some automatical deployment system19:12
davidlenwellwe do19:12
davidlenwellyes .. which as I remember I volunteered to take on before I ran into employment issues..19:12
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hogepodgeMaybe cores can have access in case of automation failures or needed updates?19:13
davidlenwellI will pick that back up this week.. plan to have it working on monday19:13
davidlenwellhogepodge:  indeed .. however .. I like to get it off my personal hp cloud account as soon as we can19:13
davidlenwellthe plan has always been for infra to host this for us..19:13
catherineD+1 on getting off personal hosting ...19:14
davidlenwellthey keep things up todate differently than I woulld .. again storyboard is a good example of this .. they merge stuff and it goes live19:14
catherineDwe need a plan to move refstack.net to an official place ...19:14
davidlenwellthe question is still is Defcore going to use us as the official testing channel or not?19:14
davidlenwellif they are then I can see an argument for having infra host us.. if they are not then we should explore other options and plan for a way to fund or get donated hosting19:15
cleeI'm sure we could donate an instance for this19:15
davidlenwellthanks clee19:15
clee(DreamHost, I mean)19:15
catherineDclee: thanks19:15
davidlenwellyes .. I gathered that19:15
cleein case infra doesn't want to host it, and nobody from Rackspace volunteers :)19:16
hogepodgeBefore the Vancouver summit, no. Our plan is to have vendors submit test results manually as there are still outstanding account and usability needs refstack needs to address. Plus there are a small set of flagged tests that need to either be explicitly excluded or manually checked.19:16
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davidlenwellis there a list of those someplace?19:17
davidlenwellsorry I've been checked out of the defcore meetings lately19:17
RockygThe flagged tests are just now being proposed.19:17
catherineDhogepodge: where do they submit result to?19:17
davidlenwell#topic surprise addition Defcore update19:17
hogepodgeMe.19:17
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catherineDhogepodge: so you will submit refstack?  so you can view?19:18
davidlenwellhogepodge: can you give us a general update from the foundation and defcore please..19:18
hogepodgeThe board approved the latest Defcore capabilities, 2015.03. Capabilities are now identified by date of approval rather than release to better track versionless Tempest and reduce confusion about what tests can be run against.19:19
hogepodgeThe new testing standards go into effect today for new products.19:19
hogepodgeLast week I was in NYC with the openstack-qa team working on patching problematic tests and finding other workarounds.19:19
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catherineDhogepodge: what is the new testing standards?19:20
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hogepodgecatherineD: To qualify for the mark new products need to pass defcore 2015.03 or later tests (2015.05 expected to be approved in Vancouver)19:20
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davidlenwellgood to know19:21
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RockygQuestion:  is 2015.03 a proposed or final?19:21
hogepodgeTest failures from network attachments have been fixed. Some outstanding work on accounts needs to be done.19:21
catherineDhogepodge: got it thx ... later we can talk about this ... Paul just update refstack to use 2015.03 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168512/19:21
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hogepodgeRockyg: 2015.03 is final, with flagged tests under review based on recent work.19:22
davidlenwellThank hogepodge.. its important we stay informed..19:22
hogepodgeOut of the 127 required defcore tests I can pass over 110 of them on a non-devstack cloud, and around 10 tests are known false negatives.19:22
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hogepodge(don't have exact numbers in front of me)19:23
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Rockyghogepodge:  Thanks19:23
davidlenwellokay.. lets move on for now.. .19:23
davidlenwell#topic hosting19:23
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davidlenwelllets revisit a perminate hosting solution next week.. I'll talk to some folks and see what our real options are and we can make an imformed decision19:24
davidlenwell#topic design session19:24
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catherineDhogepodge: are there any DefCore session that you are aware of?19:24
hogepodgeNot that I'm aware of. We can find out in the next DefCore meeting.19:25
catherineDdavidlenwell: sorry should wait until open discussion for the question ...19:25
hogepodgekk19:25
catherineDhogepodge: thx19:26
davidlenwellactually I think that was on topic19:26
davidlenwellusually I get an email with a call for design session submission .. however I have not seen it yet.. Does anyone know the submission deadline?19:26
davidlenwellor the window..19:26
RockygNo email so far.  A bunch of projects have announced their sessions etherpads, though.19:27
davidlenwellwell lets get ours started.. I think we need another session with q/a19:28
davidlenwellI want to talk about cleaning up after tempest with them directly19:28
hogepodgeI have an idea for that.19:28
davidlenwelloh?19:28
davidlenwelland idea for a solution or on the submission copy?19:29
davidlenwells/and/an19:29
hogepodgeI think that test resources should be postfixed with the test idempotent_id, that way anything not cleaned up can be paired to a test immediately.19:29
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hogepodge(or n bytes of the idempotent id for brevity, where n helps guarantee againt collision)19:29
catherineDwe have a story for that https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/200011719:29
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catherineDhogepodge: should we plan  for a design session?19:30
davidlenwellokay .19:30
davidlenwell#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-qa-vancouver-design-session19:30
davidlenwelllets put it here19:30
Rockygdavidlenwell, hogpodge:  ++19:31
davidlenwelllets try to get most of our copy in this etherpad this week19:31
davidlenwellso when submission open we can get it in without rushing it19:31
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catherineD++ we can also review next week19:32
hogepodgechecking on that19:32
davidlenwellawesome19:32
davidlenwellthanks hogepodge19:32
davidlenwellokay for the sake of time lets move forward..19:32
davidlenwell#topic Pending review19:32
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catherineDlet discuss https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168512/ first19:32
catherineDthis one updates refstack to use 2015.03 ....19:33
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davidlenwellcatherineD: let me get this on my dev box and see it with my own eyes before I vote on it in review19:33
catherineDI have one discuss item for  this one ...19:33
davidlenwellokay19:33
davidlenwelllets hear it19:34
catherineDpreviously, the capability file reside in refstack ... now 2015.03 is in defcore ...19:34
catherineDdo we mirror the file? if so how do we know it is update to dae?19:34
catherineDdate19:34
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davidlenwellthere are a number of ways around this.. I'll leave some comments with some examples for paul19:35
catherineD+1 ... or also hogepodge: how do we want to display the flagged test?19:35
davidlenwellsill the flagged tests be listed in the json file?19:36
catherineDthe flagged tested are listed in both "flaggeg-test" and "test"19:36
hogepodgeThe decision by the committee was that flagged tests are a subset of approved tests19:36
davidlenwellokay19:36
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catherineDhogepodge: how do we want to flagged the test in the UI is my question?  Currently UI only display test ..19:37
davidlenwellI'd like to discuss in channel in greater detail on what that means exactly .. lots of questions.. perheps I just need to call rob and brain dump19:37
catherineDok... next IRC meeting?19:37
hogepodgeIt's kind of a funny spot. Some tests are flagged because of bugs in tests, others are flagged because they don't belong. There's no way distinguish between them. I think they should be highlighted in some way in the UI.19:38
catherineDor shoudl we have a separte meeting ..19:38
davidlenwelllets have an entire longer discussion about this topic .. dont' want to rush to a decision here19:38
davidlenwellany other pending reviews?19:38
catherineDseparated19:38
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davidlenwellI'll catch up on the review queue this afternoon..19:39
catherineDVladiskuz  --> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166247/19:39
catherineDI am reviewing it ..19:39
vladiskuz|3I'll make some refactoring, but in general it's work19:40
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davidlenwellgreat ..19:41
davidlenwelllets move into open discussion19:41
catherineDpractically we have about 4-5 weeks to Vancouver ...  we should plan to have all Fef f2f items implemented by mid April?19:41
davidlenwellas many as we can .. we might need to do some reprioritizaton19:41
davidlenwellcatherineD: lets have a phone call later in the week and go over the items one by one19:41
catherineDok19:42
davidlenwellSo many of you might have noticed my absense the last couple of weeks..19:42
davidlenwellI've been on so many interviews and phone interviews in the last couple of weeks.. that many of them are a blur..19:42
davidlenwellI spent a lot of time searching for a new employer who would genuinly support my efforts on refstack and upstream in general..19:43
davidlenwellThat search has come to and end.. in the middle of the month I'll officially be starting with Akanda..19:43
cleeoh, sweet!19:44
cleedavidlenwell: congrats :)19:44
davidlenwellthanks ..19:44
catherineDdavidlenwell: congrats ..19:44
davidlenwellfor those who don't know akanda is a spin off company from dreamhost19:44
RockygCongratulations!  Never heard of them.  What do they do?19:44
sslypushenko__Good news!19:44
davidlenwellthey are productizing some stuff dreamhost has been doing..19:44
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davidlenwellnetworking related..19:44
davidlenwellmy new boss insures me that they thing refstack is important and want to support my efforts here..19:45
hogepodgeCongrats!19:45
davidlenwellthanks all.. I'm very happy with the decision ..19:45
davidlenwellbeing able to continue my work here was a large part of that entire change..19:46
davidlenwellI don't offically start for two weeks.. but I will be active on refstack related things.. feel free to reach out to me with anything..19:46
davidlenwellanyone have anything else to discuss? final thoughts .. questions?19:47
cleedavidlenwell: what're you gonna do for two weeks? Europe trip? :)19:47
catherineDdavidlenwell: refstack :-)19:47
davidlenwellMy son is turning 12.. we're going to be building a robot with my 3d printer and some arduino stuff19:47
davidlenwellhe's also on spring break19:48
cleenice!19:48
RockygI think we really need to put together a prioritized list of where/how we need to interact with QA design/code efforts19:48
davidlenwellwhich is why I'm delaying my start19:48
cleesounds like a pretty good reason.19:48
davidlenwellRockyg: thats why we started etherpad.. lets dump our initial thougths on that . we'll get them more concise over the comming weeks.19:48
catherineDRockyg: +119:48
catherineDdo we want to  vote on a date and time for the phone call this weeks?19:49
davidlenwellcatherineD: sure .. when is good for you?19:50
hogepodgephone call?19:50
davidlenwellwe could do it today if you want19:50
davidlenwellhogepodge:  not a big one.. I just to verbally review the action items from our face to face and re-priorities19:50
catherineDhogepodge: earlier we talk about UI ....and davidlenwell: suggest a phone call will be better19:50
davidlenwellso we have realistic goals for the summit19:50
cleewho else is gonna be at the summit?19:50
davidlenwellI will be19:50
* clee has already booked his flight and airbnb19:50
hogepodgeIs this open topic?19:51
davidlenwellyes19:51
davidlenwellwe have 9 more minutes.. bring up anything19:51
hogepodgeCatherine and I had our talk for testing accepted. We'll be speaking on Tuesday at 11:15 at the summit.19:51
RockygYay!19:52
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davidlenwellawesome! lets make sure we keep promoting that here and on other channels19:52
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davidlenwellI'm sure you'll pack the house19:52
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davidlenwellokay folks.. lets move any further discussion in #refstack.. catherineD I'll pm you about times we can chat19:54
catherineDfor the phone call let's do it on Wednesday ... let every one has a chance to look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168512/19:54
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davidlenwellsure ..19:54
davidlenwelllets do that19:54
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davidlenwellwednesday works for me19:54
davidlenwell#endmeeting19:54
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redrobot#startmeeting barbican19:59
openstackMeeting started Mon Mar 30 19:59:56 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:59
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:59
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'barbican'20:00
redrobot#topic Roll Call20:00
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jvrbanaco/20:00
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hockeynuto/20:00
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jaosorioro/20:00
dave-mccowano/20:00
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chellygel\(・`(ェ)・)/20:00
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redrobotawesome, lots of barbicaneers here!20:00
redrobot#topic Action Items20:01
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redrobot#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-03-23-19.59.html20:01
redrobotThere was only one action item last week20:01
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redrobotand it was for me to reach out to tsv regarding the status of the Quota BP20:01
redrobotI did send him an email this morning, but haven't heard back from him yet.20:01
woodster_o.20:01
redrobotso I'll kick the can to next time20:01
woodster_o/20:01
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redrobot#action redrobot to update on tsv status for Quota BP20:02
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reaperhulko/20:02
redrobotok, moving on to the topics for this week20:02
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redrobot#topic Kilo Deprecation20:02
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redrobotjvrbanac would you mind elaborating on this20:02
jvrbanacredrobot, sure.20:03
jvrbanacredrobot, so this is more of a heads up that we need to make we have everything flagged that we want to start deprecating.20:03
redrobotI think the only things we've deprecated so far are20:03
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redrobot1) use /payload for decryption instead of different content-types in the server20:04
redrobot2) don't set payload_content_type or payload_content_encoding in the client20:04
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hockeynutredrobot do we have a list anywhere of our deprecated stuff?20:05
redrobothockeynut other than in the chat log above, no20:05
jvrbanacI thought we had mentioned other things during the mid-cycle20:06
hockeynutI will suggest that we start something either in wiki or official docs to track all the deprecated things20:06
woodster_I vote for official docs20:07
redrobothockeynut agreed.   I think wiki would work.20:07
jaosoriorprobably the docs would be more appropriate20:07
woodster_that should be highlighted in our API docs too20:07
redrobotI think we certainly want to deprecate things in the docs, which we have already done.20:08
redrobotbut for a list of deprecation items, I think a wiki makes sense20:08
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redrobottbh I don't care much either way....  anyone want to tackle compiling the list?20:09
hockeynutusually that kind of thing goes into a change activity/history section in docs but I don't think we have such a beast20:09
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hockeynut(raises hand meekly) :-)20:10
redrobotbueller?20:10
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hockeynut(waves hand frantically)20:10
redrobot#action hockeynut to compile list of deprecated features in docs (or wiki)20:10
redrobotjvrbanac were you able to dig up any other items on this topic?20:11
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jvrbanacredrobot, not of the top of my head20:11
redrobotok, moving on20:12
redrobot#topic Logging in Barbican20:12
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redrobotjvrbanac this is another one of yours20:12
jvrbanacYep20:12
jvrbanacSoo, as most people have realized, we need to start improving our logging20:12
jvrbanacto start the discussion I added a simple CR here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168774/20:13
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jvrbanacAlso, for everyone's information here is the link to the logging guidelines for openstack:20:14
jvrbanac#link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-specs/specs/log-guidelines.html20:14
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woodster_jvrbanac, please add localization (the u._LI(...)) stuff to info messages20:15
woodster_are you thinking paper cuts to scrub out the prose of our logging messages?20:16
redrobotwoodster_ jvrbanac  I think there's specific guidelines on what log items get localization and which dont... not sure if this CR qualifies20:17
elmikoi thought only debug doesn't get translated?20:17
woodster_I think any info level needs _LI treatment so such messages can be localized20:17
elmikothat was my impression too, aside from like variable names20:18
jvrbanacIn general, I believe we need to go through each part of Barbican, figure out what we should be logging, and figuring out how we go about closing that gap20:18
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jvrbanacPart of this is that I don't believe we're really aware of the openstack standards are for this as well.20:19
woodster_#link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.i18n/guidelines.html#log-translation20:19
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elmikomight also want a barbican liaison to the log-wg20:19
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redrobotelmiko heh... how many liaisons are there now?20:20
elmikoonly 4 listed20:20
elmikohttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#Logging_Working_Group20:20
elmikoi only suggest as i've found it useful to hangout in some of the cross project meetings, doesn't have to be some big official type thing20:21
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redrobot#help we need someone to volunteer to be our Logging Liaison20:23
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redrobotok, any other questions/comments on this topic?20:24
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jvrbanacJust for people to toss comments on that CR20:24
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jvrbanac:D20:24
redrobotcool20:25
redrobotmoving on20:25
redrobot#topic Castellan Initial Release20:25
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redrobotso, all CRs that were pending last week have landed20:25
redrobotI've also registered "castellan" in PyPI20:25
elmikowoot20:26
redrobotso unless there are any objections, I'll be making the initial (0.1.0) release of Castellan after this meeting.20:26
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hockeynutredrobot are functional tests required for such a release?20:27
redrobothockeynut I don't think so.  It's mainly just an interface now.  I wouldn't expect functional tests until kfarr gets a barbican implementation working.20:28
hockeynutredrobot ok - just wanted to be sure they weren't required for the process.  thx!20:28
redrobot#action redrobot to release Castellan 0.1.020:30
redrobot#topic Open Discussion20:30
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redrobotthat's all I have on the agenda today20:30
redrobotany other topics we would like to discuss?20:30
elmikoquick castellan q20:31
redrobotelmiko shoot20:31
elmikois the repo on github in the state it will be pushed to pypi?20:31
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redrobotelmiko I was planning to tag 5fea4ffb806fbc75c829492e5e91065a72719ebc20:32
aleeredrobot, sorry I;m late.  did you mention that acl review session on wed?20:32
elmikoredrobot: ack, thanks!20:32
redrobotalee I did not20:32
aleeglad I asked :)20:32
redrobotFYI we had a Google Hangout meeting today to review woodster_ 's work on the Retry BP20:32
redrobotit was very productive, and we were able to land the outstanding CRs20:33
redrobotWe've got another Google Hangout scheduled for this Wednesday at 11:00am PDT20:33
redrobotI've sent an invite to all the core reviewers20:33
redrobotping me if you're not a core reviewer but would like an invite as well20:33
woodster_don't wait until 30 mins before to start reviewing those CRs btw...that's a meaty feature20:34
redrobotalso invited kfarr since rellerreller is on vacation20:34
kfarrthanks redrobot!20:34
kfarrI was there today, just lurking20:34
redrobotkfarr I saw!  Thanks for joining :)20:34
aleeredrobot, I believe rm_work was interested too20:34
redrobotalee good point, I'll add him to the list20:35
rm_workyes20:35
rm_workyeah I was planning to re-read the spec BP and then try to make my way through all of those CRs tonight/tomorrow20:35
woodster_Please consider adding Charles as well redrobot20:35
rm_workit looks like basically a whole day's worth of code review T_T20:35
arunkantredrobot, thanks for organizing acl review session. Can people add review comments on acl changes (later patches 3/4/5)..will be more useful when coming to session.20:36
aleehopefully we'll be able to knock off most of the reviews/ issues in that section.  as folks have said though, it is meaty - so come prepared.20:36
hockeynutthose hangouts seem like a good way to get these meaty CRs thru the process20:36
hockeynutfor me the interactive review is a big plus20:36
redrobothockeynut I agree.  Definitely a good way to give big CRs a kick in the rear to get them moving20:37
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redrobotwell, if there are no more questions/comments we can end the meeting early.20:38
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redrobotalrighty, thanks for coming guys!  See (some of) y'all in the Google Hangout on Wednesday.20:40
redrobot#endmeeting20:40
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openstackMeeting ended Mon Mar 30 20:40:05 2015 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)20:40
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elmikothanks redrobot!20:40
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sarobAnyone here for the ambassador meeting?20:59
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sarob#startmeeting ambassadors21:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Mar 30 21:00:57 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:00
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sarobWho's here?21:01
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sarob#endmeeting21:07
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