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| dhellmann | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 8 16:00:07 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| rpodolyaka1 | o/ | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | our agenda: | 16:00 |
| sileht | o/ | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo | 16:00 |
| jecarey | o/ | 16:00 |
| ozamiatin | o/ | 16:00 |
| viktors | o/ | 16:00 |
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| dhellmann | jd__, dims, flaper87: ping? | 16:01 |
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| jd__ | bonjour ! | 16:01 |
| dims | dhellmann: pong | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | IIRC, bnemec is out this week | 16:01 |
| ihrachyshka_ | o/ | 16:01 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 16:01 |
| dims | y | 16:01 |
| bknudson | hi | 16:02 |
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| dhellmann | let's get started while people trickle in | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | #topic Review action items from previous meeting | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review action items from previous meeting (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:02 | |
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| dhellmann | We released a bunch of libraries last week: | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | #info dhellmann to release cliff DONE | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | #info bnemec to release oslo.concurrency DONE | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | #info dims to release oslo.utils DONE | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | #info dhellmann to release oslo.config DONE | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | #info sileht to release oslo.messaging DONE | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | #info viktors to release oslo.db DONE | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | #info dims to release oslo.1i8n DONE | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | #info jd__ to release oslo.middleware DONE | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | #info dhellmann to release oslo.rootwrap (or talk to ttx about doing it) DONE | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | #info bnemec to release oslo.serialization DONE | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | #info dims to release oslo.vmware DONE | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | #info dhellmann to release oslosphinx DONE | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | #info dhellmann to release oslotest DONE | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | we also approved 3 more specs: | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | #info dhellmann approve spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127532/ DONE | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | #info dhellmann approve spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131666/ DONE | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | #info dhellmann approve spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124847/ DONE | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | we have a few items on the list I'm not sure we did: | 16:03 |
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| dhellmann | #info sileht talk to devstack team about updating to not install oslo from source in stable branches | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | oh, actually that one is done, it just wasn't marked that way | 16:03 |
| sileht | dhellmann, this is done since a while | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | we do have some stable tests that install from the stable branches of oslo libs | 16:03 |
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| dhellmann | there was an email about changing our stable branch handling policy, as part of that work | 16:04 |
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| dhellmann | #info harlowja to release taskflow | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home: ping? | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, yo yo | 16:04 |
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| dhellmann | where do we stand on a taskflow release? | 16:04 |
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| harlowja_at_home | still got a few reviews that need to get merged before i think thats ready; will poke some people today to see if i can get them to do that | 16:04 |
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| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home: ok, we have a lot of unreleased changes, and the longer that list gets the more nervous I get | 16:05 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ya, i know | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | remember, the projects are not running their tests against our master source trees any more | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | only we run those tests | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | two more that I need to do this week | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann update release instructions after https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136401/ is merged | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann make sure instructions for creating a new library are up to date with stable requirements jobs | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | I spent time with the infra team to add a guide for creating new projects to their manual that is replacing their wiki pages | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | next up is to modify our directions to point to them at the appropriate place | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | (s) | 16:06 |
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| dhellmann | I think that's it from last week; did I miss anything? | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | moving on then | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | #topic backwards compatibility concerns | 16:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "backwards compatibility concerns (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:07 | |
| dhellmann | We had a couple of issues with libraries last week breaking projects. | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | First, we had an import issue in oslo.concurrency, which turned out to need a fix in hacking so we didn't break the pep8 rules in other projects. | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | I'm going to be testing my namespace package changes under pep8 in a few of the projects before releasing them (the ones up for review have been tested). | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | Second, we removed a config option from oslo.messaging that we thought only we were using. | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | This was pretty easy to fix, but I want to stress that we need to be more careful in the future. | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | As we have more and more libraries, we will be working on code that can break the other projects more directly and immediately. | 16:08 |
| dims | y that one was weird | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | We cannot assume that no one uses a feature without checking *every* repository. | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | We have to be extremely cautious about removing things as well (the uuidutils functions come to mind) | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | We need to follow a deprecation period, and publicize changes with our liaisons, who will help us make sure nothing breaks downstream. | 16:09 |
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| dhellmann | It's great when we can remove dead code, and clean up APIs, so we should keep doing that. But we need to take care so we don't block other developers in the process. | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | This is also why we need to be doing frequent releases -- so that changes that break unit tests are caught early while they are still fresh in our minds. | 16:10 |
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| dhellmann | questions or comments? | 16:10 |
| dims | dhellmann: did we make any headway on updating global requirements? (when and if we can bump up versions)? | 16:10 |
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| dhellmann | dims: we're going to bump versions when the libraries include features that applications need, not just when we create new releases | 16:10 |
| dims | dhellmann: who gets to decide that? repository cores or us? | 16:11 |
| therve | dhellmann, Maybe just that removing dead code should be low priority, if it doesn't by anything else | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | we have to ensure that the allowed ranges for the previous stable branch and master overlap, to allow rolling updates | 16:11 |
| therve | s/by/buy | 16:11 |
| ihrachyshka | I think projects will bump on demand | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | dims: well, we need to make the case as new libs are released and features are adopted/required | 16:11 |
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| dims | dhellmann: k thanks | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | dims: if an old version of a library does work with master of all consumers, then the min can stay lower than latest | 16:12 |
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| dhellmann | I know that's a bit frustrating, but we have to balance our needs with everyone else. | 16:12 |
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| dims | dhellmann: i hear you. the blanket -2's got to me :) | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | therve: yes, I don't know that we're prioritizing removing dead code specifically | 16:13 |
| therve | Cool | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | dims: yeah, there was a bit of a "let's not change anything until we know what's going on" reaction to the fact that we had to uncap the stable branches last week, too | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | we had a confluence of several sorts of failures | 16:13 |
| dims | dhellmann: understood | 16:13 |
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| dims | just venting :) | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | I think that will loosen up again now | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | totally understand | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | ok, I think we've said all that needs to be said there -- let me know if you have questions | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | I have two items to mention this week, before we get reports: | 16:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:14 | |
| dhellmann | We had a couple of tests in nova that were mocking parts of oslo.concurrency instead of using fixtures. | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | I don't know if those were actually implementation details, but regardless I would like for liaisons to scan the unit tests in your projects quickly for any that are mocking anything in an oslo library. | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | We want to make sure we have fixtures to to cover those cases, so if you find something that is being mocked we should look at it to see if that's better than using a fixture. | 16:15 |
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| ihrachyshka | dhellmann: an example of bad nova test maybe? | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | let's use an etherpad to make a list: | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-mocks-in-project-unit-tests | 16:15 |
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| dhellmann | ihrachyshka: sure, let me find that review | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138463/ | 16:16 |
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| therve | dhellmann, Heat does stuff on oslo.config for sure. | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | I think that's a public function, so I think that would normally be legitimate, but the lock stuff is very tricky to mock properly | 16:16 |
| ihrachyshka | I need to admit that neutron test suite is huge, so it will take time | 16:17 |
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| dhellmann | I don't remember if the failure was a change to that function's API or what. Like I said, this made me think of it, but may not be the best example. | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | yes, this is going to be a long term project | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | therve: that's my second point :-) | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | The other thing that came up was the use of configuration options in unit tests. | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | This was what broke most of the projects when we released oslo.messaging with the option removed. | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | Strictly speaking, the config options are not part of the "API" of the library, and shouldn't be used in tests if we can avoid it. | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | We won't be able to avoid it, for now, but that's another thing to look for in the scan. | 16:18 |
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| dhellmann | We want to create fixtures or other APIs for setting up configuration objects instead of using them directly. | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | This will take more thought and time, but we need your help to collect the data about what sort of config options are used now. | 16:18 |
| bknudson | it seems like nothing is testing with the changes in olso libs? why wasn't it caught in the check tests? | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | the idea is to create APIs we can support for unit testing users of the libraries | 16:18 |
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| dhellmann | bknudson: we do not run the unit or pep8 tests of other projects against the sources of the libraries | 16:18 |
| bknudson | I guess that would require running nova unit tests with the oslo change. | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | we have never had test configurations like that, and decided not to add them because of the number of test resources that would be required | 16:19 |
| ihrachyshka | dhellmann: so basically looking for things like set_override/__getattr__ for oslo stuff? | 16:19 |
| dhellmann | this wasn't a problem when we had the code in the incubator, because when a sync was done the unit tests ran | 16:19 |
| dhellmann | ihrachyshka: yes | 16:19 |
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| ihrachyshka | dhellmann: hm, how come that pep8 validation for oslo libraries influence consumers? | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | ihrachyshka: I don't yet have a good answer to what we will do to remove them, but knowing what sorts of cases we have will help us figure out what to change | 16:20 |
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| dhellmann | ihrachyshka: that was a fun one. When I moved a module from oslo.concurrency to oslo_concurrency, I created some import hacks in oslo.concurrency so you could import the same names. However, hacking did not recognize that the things being hacked were actually modules. | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | So the pep8 rule for "you must only import modules" failed | 16:21 |
| ihrachyshka | aha, 'roger that' on both points | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138462/ | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | I will send an email to the ML documenting this request for review | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann send email asking liaisons to prepare list of potential fixtures to be added to libraries and config options used by tests | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | are there any other questions now, so I can include more detail in that message? | 16:22 |
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| dhellmann | if not, let's hear from the liaisons about any issues in the projects | 16:23 |
| ihrachyshka | dhellmann: the only thing for neutron is oslo.concurrency | 16:23 |
| ihrachyshka | and it has a bunch of stuff to push/fix before migration | 16:23 |
| dhellmann | so you're still working on adoption there? | 16:24 |
| ihrachyshka | first, oslo-incubator cleanup: https://review.openstack.org/122796 | 16:24 |
| therve | Nothing to complain about in Heat :). Still a bit of catching up to do. | 16:24 |
| ihrachyshka | second, there is a bug in oslo.concurrency that blocks neutron way of setting $lock_path: https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.config/+bug/1399897 | 16:24 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1399897 in oslo.config "Config filter used for lockutils makes it impossible to use string substitution" [Undecided,New] | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | ihrachyshka: I'll add that to our review priority list at the end of the meeting | 16:25 |
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| ihrachyshka | dims knows the details on the bug, but basically, oslo.config's ConfigFilter does not play nice with substitutions | 16:25 |
| ihrachyshka | and in neutron, we set lock_path = $state_path/lock, and it blows up | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | where does state_path come from? | 16:26 |
| ihrachyshka | dhellmann: from global cfg.CONF object (so not available in lock_path extraction context) | 16:26 |
| dims | i've updated the bug with a test case dhellmann | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | ihrachyshka: is state_path defined by neutron or another oslo lib? | 16:26 |
| ihrachyshka | since lock_path is defined on ConfigFilter and not cfg.CONF | 16:26 |
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| ihrachyshka | dhellmann: state_path?.. I think neutron, but let me check | 16:26 |
| ihrachyshka | yeah, right, in neutron/common/config.py | 16:27 |
| dims | dhellmann: its easy to recreate | 16:27 |
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| dims | http://paste.openstack.org/show/147086/ | 16:27 |
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| ihrachyshka | dhellmann: my idea is to drop ConfigFilter usage from lockutils, and release a new version | 16:27 |
| ihrachyshka | this will require another release and another version bump though | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | ihrachyshka: yeah, we *want* the options defined by the library to be hidden | 16:28 |
| ihrachyshka | other than that, there are no more libraries for neutron to consume, so eagerly waiting for more to come (nah, joking) | 16:28 |
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| dhellmann | we may need to modify the filter to allow it to see options in the master namespace | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | I thought the idea was to prevent anything else from seeing into the options used by the lib, but not necessarily the other way around | 16:29 |
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| dhellmann | ok, we'll talk about that more after the meeting | 16:29 |
| dims | sounds good | 16:29 |
| dhellmann | are there any other liaisons with reports? | 16:29 |
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| dhellmann | ok, moving on | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | #topic Moving the hacking project to QA program | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138499/ | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-December/052025.html | 16:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Moving the hacking project to QA program (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:30 | |
| bknudson | I know keystone code did some overriding (mock) of some time functions, but it seemed like those were designed to be overridden | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | last week when we had to scramble to find someone who could release the hacking project, I started wondering why it was part of Oslo and not QA | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: yes, those were, but we should still list them so (a) we don't remove those features and (b) in case we can come up with a better API | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | seems to make sense to me; joe gordon is the main guys on it i think | 16:31 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, jogo is the maintainer for hacking. Several of us have been reviewers, but it feels like a QA tool. | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | seems ok to me | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | I talked to jogo and mtreinish about moving it, and they agreed. All of the oslo-core reviewers are invited to stay on as reviewers after the move, but I think the plan it to remove the oslo-core group | 16:32 |
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| dhellmann | are there any objections? | 16:33 |
| dims | +1 | 16:33 |
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| dhellmann | more project changes: | 16:34 |
| dhellmann | #topic tooz adoption under way | 16:34 |
| dhellmann | the tooz repository was renamed, so we need to add it to our list of projects to review now | 16:34 |
| dhellmann | can I get a volunteer to update the dashboard builder file and review links in the wiki? | 16:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "tooz adoption under way (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:34 | |
| * dhellmann looks at jd__ | 16:34 | |
| jd__ | dhellmann: sure | 16:34 |
| jd__ | I don't know what the dashboard builder file though | 16:34 |
| dhellmann | #action jd__ to update gerrit dashboard config for oslo and review links in the oslo wiki to add tooz and remove hacking | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | only other question for that adoption is the 1 requirement of tooz that isn't in global requirements, i'm not sure if it will cause an issue (will it be gating against the requirements repo?) | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | jd__: just a sec | 16:35 |
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| harlowja_at_home | that being pymemcache (the better memcache library) | 16:35 |
| jd__ | harlowja_at_home: good question, let's see if it explodes? | 16:36 |
| dhellmann | jd__: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/gerrit-dash-creator | 16:36 |
| dhellmann | jd__: there are a couple of oslo-related files in http://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/gerrit-dash-creator/tree/dashboards | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | jd__, ok dokie, guess that will start the fun around why 2 libraries for memcache then :-/ | 16:36 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: ok | 16:36 |
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| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home: yes, as an oslo library it will need to be gating against the global requirements | 16:36 |
| jd__ | harlowja_at_home: because the first one is utter crap? | 16:36 |
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| harlowja_at_home | jd__, the choir agrees ;) | 16:37 |
| jd__ | sold! :) | 16:37 |
| dhellmann | if we're going to have tooz and oslo.cache providing abstractions for memcache, we can update both of them to use the same lib and stop using the old one | 16:37 |
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| jd__ | dhellmann: +1 | 16:37 |
| dhellmann | however, this is another example of a thing where we need to be careful about rolling out the change | 16:37 |
| harlowja_at_home | dogpile will be using the pymemcache one (oslo.cache -> dogpile someday?) | 16:37 |
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| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home: yeah, oslo.cache is just a front-end for dogpile that knows about oslo.config | 16:38 |
| jd__ | if dogpile is using pymemcache that's great news indeed | 16:38 |
| dhellmann | jd__: we should put together a list of any projects using the old library so we can make sure it will be possible to migrate them | 16:38 |
| dhellmann | s/we/you :-) | 16:39 |
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| jd__ | I can volunteer | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | k | 16:39 |
| jd__ | I'll do a list for next week | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | ok, good | 16:39 |
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| harlowja_at_home | https://bitbucket.org/zzzeek/dogpile.cache/src/345d07d5b740c4aca3f16ce34e6d9316fcf39b55/dogpile/cache/backends/memcached.py?at=master#cl-243 :( | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | jd__, ^ | 16:40 |
| dhellmann | #action jd__ prepare a list of projects using memcache libraries directly that will need to be migrated if we recommend a new memcache lib | 16:40 |
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| dhellmann | once we have the list, we can figure out how much publicity and documentation needs to be prepared before any changes happen | 16:40 |
| jd__ | harlowja_at_home: ah, some work to do then :) | 16:40 |
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| dhellmann | in the mean time, everyone please take a look at the tooz docs and code so you can become familiar enough to help with reviews | 16:41 |
| harlowja_at_home | if the code sucks, don't blame me! | 16:41 |
| harlowja_at_home | haha | 16:41 |
| dhellmann | jd__: is the blueprint up to date with the list of remaining tasks to be done before we can mark it "implemented"? | 16:41 |
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| jd__ | dhellmann: I think we're good! | 16:42 |
| dhellmann | jd__: ok, thanks | 16:42 |
| dhellmann | #topic Sprint retrospective | 16:42 |
| dhellmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-kilo-sprint | 16:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Sprint retrospective (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:42 | |
| dhellmann | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-December/052316.html | 16:42 |
| dhellmann | thank you all for your help with the sprint last week | 16:42 |
| dhellmann | we made good progress on a lot of our smaller libraries | 16:42 |
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| dhellmann | we do still have quite a backlog on the big 3: oslo.db, oslo.messaging, and taskflow | 16:42 |
| dhellmann | As I said in my email, I think we should set up 1-day sprints to focus on each of those libraries | 16:43 |
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| harlowja_at_home | +1 to that; i think its a great idea | 16:43 |
| jd__ | probably because they're not critical :-) | 16:43 |
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| ihrachyshka | :D | 16:43 |
| dhellmann | I'm going to leave that up to the lib maintainers to organize, in part because I think we'll need a lot of help understanding which reviews are important and having intros to the code, etc. | 16:44 |
| dhellmann | We should coordinate them here in this meeting, so we don't schedule them too close together | 16:44 |
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| dhellmann | and we don't need to be any more formal than the sprint we had, so the actual planning is just publicity and doing that preparation work | 16:44 |
| dhellmann | who would like to go first? :-) | 16:44 |
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| harlowja_at_home | i can :-P | 16:45 |
| * dhellmann looks at viktors, sileht, and harlowja_at_home | 16:45 | |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home: ok, sounds good | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | do you want to work out a date to announce at next week's meeting? | 16:45 |
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| harlowja_at_home | sure, although everyone probably gonna be on vacation soon, but sure | 16:45 |
| harlowja_at_home | all that xmas stuff everywhere | 16:46 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, consider that as well as the timezone spread of the team (i.e., not monday or friday) | 16:46 |
| dhellmann | yes, so we should probably move quickly or wait until january | 16:46 |
| harlowja_at_home | agreed | 16:46 |
| dhellmann | and you don't have to wait to announce until next week, but you should probably give us enough notice to make sure we can spend the day on it | 16:47 |
| harlowja_at_home | i'm fine with something next like wednesday | 16:47 |
| harlowja_at_home | *not this wed (to early notice probably) | 16:47 |
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| dhellmann | we might have to do a bit of date negotiation, so let's do that on the ML | 16:47 |
| harlowja_at_home | kk | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | right, that makes sense | 16:47 |
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| harlowja_at_home | anyway, i'll send something out | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | #action harlowja_at_home to plan a date for a taskflow review sprint | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | cool, thanks | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | #topic Ongoing work & Review priorities | 16:48 |
| dhellmann | #link https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/next-kilo | 16:48 |
| dhellmann | #link https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/kilo-1 | 16:48 |
| dhellmann | Is anyone blocked on work we prioritized for this release? | 16:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ongoing work & Review priorities (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:48 | |
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| dhellmann | #info dhellmann needs reviews on the namespace packaging changes | 16:48 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:bp/drop-namespace-packages,n,z | 16:48 |
| dhellmann | #info oslo-incubator cleanup for oslo.concurrency is blocking neutron adoption | 16:48 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/122796 | 16:48 |
| dhellmann | others? | 16:49 |
| dhellmann | there are a few specs that could use reviews | 16:49 |
| dhellmann | at this point I'm ignoring specs with unanswered comments, but there were several today that had been updated and might still make it in this cycle | 16:50 |
| dhellmann | that's everything I had for this week | 16:51 |
| dhellmann | #topic open discussion | 16:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:51 | |
| dhellmann | is there anything else you'd like to discuss this week? | 16:51 |
| zzzeek | so I have enginefacade up and working, some more changes to be made | 16:51 |
| zzzeek | give it a looksee at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138215/ | 16:51 |
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| zzzeek | also it looks like we are dumping SQLA < 0.9.7 ! woop | 16:52 |
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| zzzeek | so im going to yank a bunch of cruft out of oslo.db | 16:52 |
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| dims | dhellmann: oslo.context? | 16:52 |
| ihrachyshka | zzzeek: prepared to kill thousands of lines? | 16:52 |
| zzzeek | ihrachyshka: couple hundred in compat/ | 16:52 |
| ihrachyshka | nah, not worth it | 16:53 |
| dhellmann | dims: where does that stand? I don't see any open reviews | 16:53 |
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| dhellmann | zzzeek: bear in mind the stuff I mentioned earlier about removing things | 16:53 |
| dims | dhellmann: last we talked, there was additional work from spec required | 16:53 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: absoutely, I’d just be removing things that are specifically SQLA 0.8 isms b.c. when requirements are bumped we can be sure everyone is on newer SQLAlchemy right ? | 16:54 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek: we need to be VERY careful with those sorts of changes; consider the rolling update case | 16:54 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: OK if oslo.db has SQLAlchemy 0.9.7 in requirements, how would any project run oslo.db w/ that requirements file and not have SQLA >= 0.9.7 in place ? | 16:55 |
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| dhellmann | dims: there's no list of work items on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo-incubator/+spec/graduate-oslo-context so I don't remember what those things were. Let's work that out today. | 16:55 |
| bknudson | it's not updated in stable/ requirements | 16:55 |
| dims | dhellmann: ack | 16:55 |
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| dhellmann | zzzeek: did all juno projects adopt oslo.db? | 16:56 |
| ihrachyshka | bknudson: if we cap versions in stable branches, then we're fine | 16:56 |
| bknudson | capping versions in stable branches didn't work. | 16:56 |
| bknudson | I think you could cap stable/icehouse but not stable/juno. | 16:56 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek: and if not, can those projects use sqla 0.9.7 with the incubator version of the db code | 16:56 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: i dont know. but also, i dont know why that would be significant. if a version of oslo.db has a requirements file in it, the library must still maintain code that is specific to library versions that are specifically barred in its own requirements.txt file ? | 16:56 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: whats the purpose of a requirements.txt then ? | 16:56 |
| dhellmann | ihrachyshka: any caps in the stable branches need to allow one project on a box to be updated while another is not (glance but not nova, for example). That means the version ranges have to overlap between juno and kilo | 16:57 |
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| zzzeek | dhellmann: we’re talking about code that specificallty starts with: “if sqla_version < 0.9:” | 16:57 |
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| dhellmann | zzzeek: well, it's very possible we can't update that requirement all in one go | 16:57 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek: see my comment to ihrachyshka ^^ | 16:57 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: OK that’s somethign else, I’m not touching any code until the requirements.txt is updated | 16:58 |
| dhellmann | start on a server with everything installed | 16:58 |
| bknudson | icehouse: SQLAlchemy>=0.7.8,!=0.9.5,<=0.9.99 ; juno: SQLAlchemy>=0.8.4,<=0.8.99,>=0.9.7,<=0.9.99 ; master: SQLAlchemy>=0.9.7,<=0.9.99 | 16:58 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: cool, thanks | 16:58 |
| dhellmann | based on that, it looks like we believe icehouse, juno, and master would all run with 0.9.7 | 16:58 |
| * dhellmann wonders if that's actually true | 16:59 | |
| zzzeek | so we already have much in oslo.db that is not compatible with SQLA 0.7.8, 0.7.9. oslo.db’s own requriements file starts at 0.8.4 | 16:59 |
| bknudson | there's no test that tries the min version supported... kind of a gap imo. | 16:59 |
| harlowja_at_home | SQLAlchemy>=0.8.4,<=0.8.99,>=0.9.7,<=0.9.99 (so weird, haha) | 16:59 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: yeah | 16:59 |
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| dhellmann | zzzeek: it sounds like it's safe to remove the 0.7 stuff from oslo.db | 17:00 |
| bknudson | harlowja_at_home: I wonder what it even does? | 17:00 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: im quite confused about this | 17:00 |
| dhellmann | I'm less certain of the other parts. That's why I'm asking you to think about it more than just "but our requirements file says" | 17:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | bknudson, pip does some weird stuff, so who knows | 17:00 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: if i have a line of code in oslo.db taht says: “if sqlalchemy_version < 0.8.4” | 17:00 |
| dhellmann | ok, we're out of time here, let's talk about it more in the oslo room | 17:00 |
| zzzeek | OK | 17:01 |
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| dhellmann | thanks everyone | 17:01 |
| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 8 17:01:13 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-12-08-16.00.html | 17:01 |
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| hogepodge | anyone here for the refstack/defcore meeting? | 19:02 |
| davidlenwell | #startmeeting refstack | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 8 19:02:22 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is davidlenwell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 19:02 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 19:02 |
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| davidlenwell | usually folks are a few minutes late | 19:04 |
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| sslypushenko__ | o/ | 19:07 |
| davidlenwell | here we go .. | 19:07 |
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| davidlenwell | let me ping catherine to see if she's coming | 19:09 |
| hogepodge | and zehicle too | 19:09 |
| davidlenwell | he's harder to nail down... | 19:10 |
| sarob | lurking | 19:10 |
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| davidlenwell | hogepodge: we can start by talking about your list | 19:12 |
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| sslypushenko__ | While we don't start I want to inform you that Mirantis team stops refstack development. | 19:12 |
| hogepodge | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-08-12-14 | 19:12 |
| davidlenwell | sslypushenko__: as of now? | 19:12 |
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| sslypushenko__ | Yes | 19:13 |
| davidlenwell | thank you | 19:13 |
| davidlenwell | for all your work | 19:13 |
| sslypushenko__ | Thanks you too) | 19:14 |
| sslypushenko__ | It was interesting activity | 19:14 |
| sslypushenko__ | I'm going to finish this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132583/ | 19:14 |
| sslypushenko__ | It is on testing now | 19:15 |
| davidlenwell | Awesome.. Thank you | 19:15 |
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| davidlenwell | its hard to do this meeting without responses from folks.. So I am going to drill through these reviews and leave comments here and in each one.. | 19:16 |
| davidlenwell | lets start with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121640/.. | 19:16 |
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| davidlenwell | I don't think its going to be needed .. defcore could actually use the meta data in tests that we are working on adding. | 19:16 |
| sslypushenko__ | I improved setup_env script. It will be able to coose tag from tempest repository while refstack setup | 19:17 |
| davidlenwell | So that core information is actually in each test .. so that developers know what they are looking at and what it effects without looking at the refstack repo | 19:17 |
| davidlenwell | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102334/ next | 19:18 |
| davidlenwell | the models have had to change drastically since then.. i'll get a commit in asap with the new version for review and abandon this one. | 19:18 |
| davidlenwell | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125757/ .. actually thats this | 19:18 |
| davidlenwell | its not merged because it will break the existing code .. | 19:19 |
| davidlenwell | another commit will follow that will depend on this | 19:19 |
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| davidlenwell | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102930/ .. need to abandon .. decided to go a much different way with this. | 19:19 |
| hogepodge | Can we do the abandons today or this week to clear out the backlog? | 19:20 |
| davidlenwell | since we are removing the website completely from the refstack code.. it didn't make any sense to have two different applications here.. its all getting reworked with much less complexity. | 19:20 |
| davidlenwell | yeah .. I'll do them nowish | 19:20 |
| hogepodge | Even the code in flight for rendering test results? That looked like good and interesting work. | 19:21 |
| davidlenwell | that code will remain but is part of a much larger puzzle | 19:22 |
| davidlenwell | the existing admin code is all being removed | 19:22 |
| davidlenwell | scorecard generation will remain as an api method | 19:22 |
| hogepodge | ok, ty. Cool. | 19:22 |
| davidlenwell | the output of which can be consumed by a website | 19:22 |
| davidlenwell | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139499/ <-- I gave it a plus 2.. I want catherine to merge | 19:23 |
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| davidlenwell | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129320/ <-- I will review today | 19:24 |
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| davidlenwell | its not a small review | 19:24 |
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| davidlenwell | sslypushenko__: if I need changes to this can you still work on it ? | 19:25 |
| hogepodge | That one takes a while. I also need to review again. | 19:25 |
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| davidlenwell | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/118839/ <- I've given this a plus 2 as well .. lets get a review from catherine as well. | 19:26 |
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| davidlenwell | without the rest of the group here I don't know how much progress we can have.. | 19:30 |
| hogepodge | The meeting is a bit light, so we probably have to defer some topics until we have a larger group, but I'd like to talk about planning a timeline for testing and reporting. With the latest defcore board approval I think it very important to show data collection capabilities in the next couple of months. | 19:30 |
| davidlenwell | I'd ask that members of the defcore commitee try to make an effort to show up now and then.. I know mondays suck for meetings | 19:30 |
| hogepodge | We can defer it. Do we have a mailing list where we can publicize the meeting and get a better turnout? | 19:30 |
| davidlenwell | fits | 19:31 |
| davidlenwell | is the mailing list we inherited | 19:31 |
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| davidlenwell | I'm going to do some one on one promotions as well.. | 19:31 |
| hogepodge | Ok. Easily forgettable name with the other project names around. | 19:31 |
| davidlenwell | we've talked about changing it a few times.. | 19:32 |
| hogepodge | I think it would be fruitful to have the refstack devs get together for a mid-cycle meetup to just hack on the code and get full end to end runs going. | 19:32 |
| davidlenwell | can you be available today in #refstack | 19:32 |
| sslypushenko__ | Sure thing. I will support this two patches | 19:32 |
| hogepodge | yes. | 19:32 |
| davidlenwell | so lets be available to continue discussion with the group later as I can get them in the room | 19:33 |
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| davidlenwell | I'm all about a mid-cycle meetup | 19:33 |
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| hogepodge | Off the top of my head I'm thinking Portland or Austin. Those are the easiest cities for me to organize. I'm also open to anywhere else. | 19:34 |
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| davidlenwell | I'd like to get christopher macgowan if we can | 19:34 |
| catherind_d | hi Sorry I am late | 19:35 |
| davidlenwell | We'd get a lot more IBM participation if we could keep it to the bay area | 19:35 |
| davidlenwell | catherind_d: please read the backlog after we end meeting and join us in #refstack | 19:35 |
| catherind_d | yes I will sorry | 19:35 |
| davidlenwell | catherind_d: I was just saying that if we host a mid-cycle hacking session in the bay area say mid january you might be able to have more participatoin from your team.. more say than if we had to travel to portland or austin | 19:36 |
| davidlenwell | Also rocky and I are local | 19:36 |
| davidlenwell | there are also no shortage of companies with conference rooms we could ask to host us | 19:37 |
| hogepodge | to bay area? that makes lots of sense then. Is it easy to get space to work in? | 19:37 |
| davidlenwell | sure | 19:37 |
| hogepodge | +1 | 19:37 |
| davidlenwell | I'd like to pull christopher macgowan into further discussion.. I've heard he's taking joshuas place on the defcore commitee or at least considering it. | 19:38 |
| hogepodge | I have an unmovable commitment the week of January 19, but am free otherwise. | 19:38 |
| davidlenwell | I'm busy that week too hogepodge.. it would have to be the week before | 19:38 |
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| davidlenwell | lets put choosing a date for the mid-cycle meetup on the agenda for next week.. I'll work on getting us some better attendance as well | 19:39 |
| hogepodge | cool | 19:39 |
| davidlenwell | okay lets break early and open discussion in #refstack to catch catherine up | 19:40 |
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| davidlenwell | #endmeeting | 19:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 8 19:40:37 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-12-08-19.02.html | 19:40 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-12-08-19.02.txt | 19:40 |
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| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 8 20:00:58 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:01 |
| jaosorior | o/ | 20:01 |
| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:01 |
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| tkelsey | o/ | 20:01 |
| woodster_ | o/ | 20:01 |
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| lisaclark_ | o/ | 20:01 |
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| redrobot | awesome, as usual the agenda can be found here: | 20:02 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican | 20:02 |
| rellerreller | o/ | 20:02 |
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| redrobot | #topic Integration Docs | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Barbican/Documentation | 20:03 |
| redrobot | I wanted to share the above link with everyone | 20:03 |
| redrobot | I put this together a few weeks ago as I was looking into documentation requirements for integration | 20:04 |
| redrobot | we have a ton of documentation that needs to be written for integration | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | and I wanted to bring that up here to see if we can find people who have time/would like to contribute to the docs | 20:05 |
| redrobot | I think this is going to be a big topic of discussion during the integration review... | 20:05 |
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| redrobot | ... but also as a side note, the integration review may not even happen if the Big Tent changes land during this cycle | 20:05 |
| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138504/ | 20:05 |
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| rellerreller | What are the "Big Tent" changes? | 20:06 |
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| alee_ | o/ | 20:06 |
| tkelsey | rellerreller: good question | 20:06 |
| redrobot | rellerreller the linked CR summarizes them pretty well... basically , right now you are either part of the integrated release (and thus part of openstack) or you're not | 20:07 |
| SheenaG1 | o/ | 20:07 |
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| redrobot | and if you're not, then chances are you're working towards being part of the integrated release (as we are) | 20:07 |
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| redrobot | the TC is proposing a change which will add more categories besides just being part of the integrated release | 20:08 |
| redrobot | and the integrated release will eventually go away, in favor of new "labels" that are yet to be defined | 20:08 |
| redrobot | rellerreller is that clear as mud? :) | 20:08 |
| jaosorior | ... aaaand, how does that affect us? | 20:09 |
| rellerreller | redrobot I will have to look through the spec. Clear as mud now. | 20:09 |
| redrobot | jaosorior it's not really clear how it will affect us just yet. | 20:09 |
| hyakuhei | I think this is something that will be discussed for a long time | 20:09 |
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| jaosorior | well, either way we need the documentation set up, and it's only a positive thing for us to start working on it (better documentation = easier adoption) | 20:10 |
| redrobot | I asked for clarification of the impact to Incubated projects such as ours, so hopefully we'll have some answers during the next revision of the doc | 20:10 |
| redrobot | jaosorior +1 | 20:10 |
| redrobot | yes, I think we should continue going down the path of graduating into the Integrated Release. | 20:10 |
| jaosorior | yup | 20:10 |
| jaosorior | agree | 20:10 |
| redrobot | I think Operation docs are going to be super important | 20:11 |
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| redrobot | right now, we don't really have any docs for someone who just wants to deploy and use barbican | 20:11 |
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| elmiko | how are the doc reviews going to happen, is there a bp/spec up, or will they be bugs against current? | 20:13 |
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| redrobot | elmiko the plan is to continue to work on Sphinx documentation inside the barbican repo | 20:14 |
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| redrobot | elmiko we could possibly set up some BPs to track the work. | 20:14 |
| redrobot | A lot of the docs I listed on the Wiki page are in Docbook format, but I think it would be easier for us to produce Sphinx docs. | 20:15 |
| redrobot | Also, the Sphinx docs are currently published to docs.openstack.org/developer/barbican | 20:15 |
| elmiko | redrobot: that's kinda what i was curious about, a bp would be useful to allow the work to happen in a distributed manner | 20:15 |
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| redrobot | elmiko agreed. I can set up some blueprints so we can track documentation work. | 20:16 |
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| redrobot | #action redrobot to add Blueprints to Launchpad for outstanding documentation work. | 20:16 |
| redrobot | any questions or comments before we move on to the next topic? | 20:17 |
| jaosorior | noup | 20:17 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:17 |
| redrobot | #topic Bugs | 20:17 |
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| redrobot | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/barbican | 20:18 |
| redrobot | I've been doing a lot of Launchpad cleanup the last few days | 20:18 |
| redrobot | and one thing I've noticed is that we've been doing a less than stellar job of closing out/reviewing bugs | 20:18 |
| redrobot | I think it's mostly due to the fact that nobody is using Barbican in production | 20:18 |
| redrobot | so there's no motivation to get bugs closed | 20:19 |
| redrobot | but I would like to see us get into the habit of fixing bugs, instead of letting them linger out in Launchpad | 20:19 |
| redrobot | some bugs are 100+ days old for example | 20:19 |
| jvrbanac | +1 | 20:20 |
| redrobot | The Kilo-1 milestone is due in 10 days | 20:20 |
| redrobot | and so far, the only thing that is going into it is the Keystone work that Arun did which was held back from Juno | 20:21 |
| redrobot | #link https://launchpad.net/barbican/+milestone/kilo-1 | 20:21 |
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| redrobot | I think the other BP that jaosorior is working on will probably be pushed out to k2 | 20:21 |
| redrobot | and we sadly don't have any bug fixes going into k1 just yet | 20:21 |
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| alee_ | redrobot, can we get the design BP's done and approved this week? | 20:22 |
| redrobot | alee_ I hope so. | 20:23 |
| redrobot | Any questions/comments about Launchpad bugs? | 20:23 |
| redrobot | I did unassign everyone from any bugs that are open | 20:24 |
| redrobot | because I don't think anyone was actively working on them. | 20:24 |
| redrobot | so please, only assign a bug to yourself if you're actively working on it. | 20:24 |
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| tkelsey | redrobot: makes sense, I'll have a scan over the bug list when i get some spare cycles, would like to help out there | 20:25 |
| redrobot | tkelsey thanks, that would be awesome | 20:25 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on. | 20:25 |
| woodster_ | please feel free to ask the IRC question about bugs you'd like to take on | 20:25 |
| redrobot | #topic Castellan | 20:25 |
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| redrobot | In case you missed it, the openstack/castellan repo is live | 20:26 |
| redrobot | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/castellan | 20:26 |
| rellerreller | woohoo | 20:26 |
| tkelsey | awesome :) | 20:26 |
| redrobot | we already have a pending review | 20:26 |
| jaosorior | :D | 20:26 |
| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/castellan,n,z | 20:26 |
| jvrbanac | w00t! | 20:26 |
| redrobot | please add openstack/castellan to the list of your watched repos in gerrit | 20:27 |
| redrobot | I _think_ I set up the IRC bot so that CRs to Castellan get announced in #openstack-barbican, so you'll be seeing those come through | 20:27 |
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| redrobot | The offical change to Governance is still pending | 20:28 |
| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138875/ | 20:28 |
| redrobot | but I don't foresee any problems getting it merged | 20:28 |
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| redrobot | I also set up a Launchpad project for Blueprints/Bug tracking | 20:29 |
| redrobot | #link https://launchpad.net/castellan | 20:29 |
| jaosorior | excellent | 20:30 |
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| redrobot | I think that about covers Castellan | 20:31 |
| redrobot | any questions/comments about it? | 20:31 |
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| redrobot | I'll go with no questions, then. :) | 20:32 |
| redrobot | moving on | 20:32 |
| redrobot | #topic Content Types | 20:32 |
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| redrobot | rellerreller did you want to talk about this? | 20:33 |
| rellerreller | That was my topic. | 20:33 |
| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-formats-discussion | 20:33 |
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| rellerreller | woodster_ created the etherpad page on this. I added a bunch of content to this. | 20:33 |
| rellerreller | I was wondering if there was any feedback on it. I plan to turn it into a spec soon so wanted to have feedback before then. | 20:34 |
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| woodster_ | rellerreller, I'll refresh on that today | 20:34 |
| rellerreller | woodster_ thanks | 20:35 |
| redrobot | I totally missed the etherpad link the first time around. Will definitely look at it today. | 20:35 |
| woodster_ | yeah, that's pretty fundamental stuff...interested parties should definitely weigh in on it. | 20:35 |
| alee_ | rellerreller, I'll refresh on it today too. | 20:36 |
| woodster_ | good Paris conversations about that...almost as interesting as Castellan vs Wegian | 20:36 |
| greghaynes | Any reason you dont just turn that into a spec now? | 20:36 |
| greghaynes | leaving comments on an ether pad is meh, and thats really the whole point of review :) | 20:37 |
| rellerreller | I have a terrible prepublication process | 20:37 |
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| rellerreller | If I did not have that in my way then I would submit spec today | 20:37 |
| alee_ | rellerreller, I was going to say that this was an interesting way of "publishing" a spec without publishing a spec. | 20:38 |
| woodster_ | the 'p' word | 20:38 |
| rellerreller | alee_ Yes, I know. This whole prepub process is ridiculous. | 20:39 |
| woodster_ | should someone other than rellerreller ublish it ('p' was redacted) then? | 20:39 |
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| rellerreller | I would like to publish it and continue to follow through with it. If that is ok. | 20:41 |
| woodster_ | Noting that 'someone who may or may not be affiliated with JHAPL may or may not have inspired this blueprint'. | 20:41 |
| woodster_ | well, are you thinking this is a Kilo BP or beyond? | 20:41 |
| rellerreller | Kilo | 20:41 |
| alee_ | rellerreller, sounds good to me. I'l comment on etherpad/irc. I think this should be kilo too | 20:42 |
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| woodster_ | it seems you'd have to have this going thru the internal review process pretty soon then (yesterday?) | 20:42 |
| rellerreller | Yes, I'm hoping to have comments by COB Thursday and then have prepub done by next week | 20:42 |
| woodster_ | sounds good | 20:43 |
| rellerreller | I'm going to ask for a quick release on this. | 20:43 |
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| redrobot | anything else, other than please comment? | 20:43 |
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| rellerreller | redrobot That was it. | 20:44 |
| rellerreller | redrobot thanks | 20:44 |
| redrobot | rellerreller np | 20:44 |
| redrobot | #topic Blueprint review | 20:44 |
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| redrobot | Just added this RE alee_'s question about getting BPs approved this week. | 20:44 |
| alee_ | redrobot, yes please | 20:44 |
| redrobot | I think the hangout last Thursday was helpful | 20:45 |
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| woodster_ | redrobot: +1 | 20:45 |
| redrobot | we should hopefully be super close to landing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135490/ | 20:45 |
| redrobot | core peeps, please take a look at it today | 20:45 |
| rellerreller | I was wondering how that went. I think those are more effective than IRC for discussions. | 20:45 |
| redrobot | rellerreller +1 | 20:46 |
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| greghaynes | ooo, that review is something ive been looking for | 20:46 |
| redrobot | I was talking to reaperhulk about it yesterday | 20:46 |
| alee_ | redrobot, +100 -- yes plase | 20:46 |
| redrobot | and he was suggesting we make Vidyo hangouts a regular thing | 20:46 |
| woodster_ | had some tech difficulties though | 20:46 |
| redrobot | maybe every other week, and skip when not necessary | 20:46 |
| alee_ | also tied to that review is https://review.openstack.org/129048 | 20:47 |
| rellerreller | +1 | 20:47 |
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| alee_ | core peeps please take a look at that one too -- its very close as well | 20:47 |
| rellerreller | I think occasional video hangouts would help a lot | 20:47 |
| redrobot | Also, in case anyone missed it, the Launchpad Blueprint page is up-to-date and prioritized | 20:47 |
| redrobot | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/barbican | 20:48 |
| redrobot | please use priority as your guide for "what to review next" | 20:48 |
| redrobot | I would like to see all the Essential BPs landed before the holidays | 20:48 |
| alee_ | redrobot, do we need another vidyo hangout this week? | 20:49 |
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| redrobot | alee_ I was just about to ask that :) | 20:49 |
| redrobot | +1 s for a Vidyo hangout this Thursday 3pm UTC ? | 20:49 |
| alee_ | +1 | 20:49 |
| rellerreller | What time is UTC in ET? | 20:50 |
| alee_ | 10 am | 20:50 |
| rellerreller | I could make that | 20:50 |
| woodster_ | Sounds good. | 20:51 |
| rellerreller | What would the topic be? alee 's specs | 20:51 |
| redrobot | http://time.is/300PM_11_Dec_2014_in_UTC/EST/CST/PST | 20:51 |
| woodster_ | I also recall that we wanted this BP (well a kilo equivalent) to be the top level BP, with info added to it for the overall expected cert generation sequence: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99221/ | 20:51 |
| redrobot | rellerreller yeah, reviewing Essential BPs | 20:51 |
| rellerreller | +1 | 20:51 |
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| redrobot | I'll update https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Barbican/Kilo with Vidyo details for this Thursday then | 20:52 |
| alee_ | redrobot, rellerreller - I think we'll likely end up discussig https://review.openstack.org/127353 | 20:52 |
| alee_ | assumign the other essential ones land. | 20:53 |
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| redrobot | I think that about covers everything for today... right on time as well :) | 20:54 |
| redrobot | any last minute questions/comments about BPs? | 20:54 |
| tkelsey | since we are coming up to time I just want to mention this review has been abandoned after some push back i think https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104001/ concerning babrican keymanager in Nova | 20:54 |
| tkelsey | mostly an FYI, but might be worth looking into why | 20:55 |
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| woodster_ | So hopefully castellan will alleviate those concerns? | 20:55 |
| redrobot | tkelsey I think rellerreller is familiar with that CR | 20:55 |
| rellerreller | tkelsey bpoulos is working on that | 20:55 |
| tkelsey | awesome, just wanted to bring it to peoples attention :) | 20:56 |
| rellerreller | There is a new spec we are trying to put out for that. | 20:56 |
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| rellerreller | I cannot wait until we get Castellan in Nova. | 20:56 |
| tkelsey | ok cool, got a link to the spec, or is it not in review yet ? | 20:56 |
| rellerreller | Bruce came by my office a few minutes ago saying he needs a spec out now because there was an issue | 20:57 |
| hyakuhei | rellerreller: can you add me as a reviewer on teh new spec when it's up? Very interested to see what we (HP) can do to help this turn into a real thing | 20:57 |
| rellerreller | My guess is that the issue was that big X for the code review | 20:57 |
| hyakuhei | lol | 20:57 |
| tkelsey | hyakuhei: +1 | 20:57 |
| hyakuhei | Big X's do it every time. | 20:57 |
| rellerreller | hyakuhei thanks. We will keep you posted | 20:57 |
| bknudson | looks like it didn't make it in the previous release, so needs to be reproposed for K. | 20:58 |
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| redrobot | Ok, that's our time for today. Thanks everyone for coming out | 20:59 |
| redrobot | see y'all next week. | 20:59 |
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| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 8 20:59:40 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-12-08-20.00.html | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-12-08-20.00.txt | 20:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-12-08-20.00.log.html | 20:59 |
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