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baoli#startmeeting PCI Passthrough13:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Dec  2 13:01:24 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is baoli. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:01
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baoliHi there13:01
yongilhehi13:01
pczesnohi13:01
riwintershi13:02
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baoliIrena can't attend today.13:03
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baolihttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Passthrough#Agenda_on_Dec._2nd.2C_201413:05
baoliLet's get started.13:05
baoliLooks like that we have a new neutron bug13:06
baolihttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/139767513:07
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1397675 in neutron "Updating admin_state_up  for port with vnic_type doesn't have affect" [Undecided,New]13:08
baoliitzikb: do you have 'agent_required' flag turned on? I guess that you are using mlnx which supports update of port's admin state?13:08
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itzikbbaoli: I'm not using mlnx13:09
itzikbbaoli: So it's without the agent13:09
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sadasuitzikb: are you using an agent that can take action on admin_state_up False?13:10
itzikbsadasu: No.I'm using Intel 1G NIC and there is no agent involved13:10
sadasuitzikb: i see your answer. Without an agent, I don't think this is expected to work13:10
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itzikbIt seems to me there should be a  way to be able to set the admin_state_up if we can't do it we should at least document it and somehow write an error when there is no support for this option13:12
baoliitzikb, that sounds reasonable.13:13
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sadasuitzikb: yes, we are lacking in documentation13:14
baoliOk, anything else for bugs.13:14
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sadasulast week a discussion surrounding "bonding" of 2 sr-iov ports was brought up...would that be a bug?13:15
sadasuI guess that would be more like a new BP category13:15
baolisadasu, right13:15
baoli#topic reviews13:16
sadasujust wanted to highlight that we have this week to propose a new BP, if needed13:16
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baolisadasu, yes, thanks for the reminder13:16
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baoliyonglihe, I put some comments in your PCI resize wip patch13:18
yongilhethanks, i had no time for it now, i will check it soon13:18
baolihttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/137530/13:18
baoliyonglihe, sure13:19
yongilhebaoli, good suggestion13:21
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baoliyongilhe, thanks13:22
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yongilhefor 'devices' like resouce, resource tracker does not support that in nature, there some work to do.13:22
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sadasuI have a question on this review: what is the significance of sign in manager.py?13:25
yongilheit means 'alloce' reserver something.13:26
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baolisadasu, check resource_tracker.py on how 'sign' is used over there.13:26
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yongilhethe negtive sign indicator a claim aborting or direct release the resources.13:26
baoliit makes sense if the resource can be arithmetically calculated.13:27
sadasuwhat other values can it have?13:27
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sadasu+1, 0. -1?13:28
baoli'sign' means + or -13:28
yongilheno other value, just searching the caller you will find it : -1 or default to 113:28
sadasus/./,13:28
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sadasu+1 to allocate and -1 to release?13:28
yongilheyeah, it is.13:29
yongilhe+1 some time means 'reserved' to pci devices.13:29
sadasuthansk13:29
yongilhethat why pci need know the stage of resizing.13:30
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baoliI'll try to push for approvals for several reviews that are in good shape this week.13:31
baoliGuess that we can move on to the next topic:13:31
baoli#topic Blueprints.13:31
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yongilhebaoli, thanks, sound cool13:31
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baolilike Sandhya has mentioned a moment ago, please submit your proposal if any by the end of this week, I guess.13:32
baolideadline is monday13:32
baoliend of monday?13:32
sadasubaoli: correct13:33
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yongilhei'm stuck on other thing, but someone will cover me for the 'interface attaching' bp, hope we can meet the deadline.13:35
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baoliyongilhe: sounds good13:36
yongilhebaoli, how about your migration bp? any progress?13:36
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baoliyongilhe, some blocking issue came up. Libvirt or the hypervisor doesn't seem to be happy with interface renaming.13:37
baoliI've send a query to libvirt-users13:38
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baoliHopefully, I can get some resolution soon.13:40
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baolinetwork xml doesn't help either. Internally, libvirt converts that to interface, and during live migration, the same interface is needed on the destination host.13:41
baoliIf anyone has any idea, please let me know.13:42
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yongilhebaoli, sure, maybe i can consult our hypervisor team to see is there anything can help13:43
sadasubaoli: no ideas for a solution...but by "same interface" you mean pci device with same address?13:44
baoliyongilhe, that sounds great. Let me forward the libvirt-users query to you.13:44
baolisadasu: same interface name like eth613:44
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itzikbbaoli: Please send me too13:44
baoliirzikb, sure.13:45
itzikbbaoli: Just a quick question - the problem is with the first migration13:45
itzikbbaoli: Or back to the original host13:45
sadasuah! so this will probably work only in the use case where we are migrating to a new/clean new server13:45
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baoliitzikb: the vm couldn't even be booted up.13:46
sadasuitzikb: I suppose either direction as long as the same interface is unavailable13:46
itzikbbaoli: Let's discuss this after the meeting. I think it worked for mlnx_vif13:47
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baoliitzikb, cool. I thought Irenab has done that.13:48
baoliI need to get another intel card and try it on.13:48
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baoliI don't have any mlnx cards for sure.13:49
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itzikbbaoli: Should work with Intel..13:49
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baoliitzikb, cool. will give it a try.13:50
sadasuis someone bringing up the bonded interfaces case? we were supposed to follow-up on the ML but I didn't see anything13:50
baolisadasu, beagles brought it up.13:51
baolilast time13:51
baolipczesno: trying to review your spec. Will add some comments and questions soon.13:51
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pczesnobaoli: great thanks13:51
sadasuyes, thats right.13:51
sadasujust want to make sure we spend some time to atleast define the problem13:52
baoliwell, beagles doesn't seem to be present. So let's wait to see his proposal.13:53
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baoliOk, move on13:53
baoli#topic CI Testing13:53
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baolianything on this?13:53
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yongilhei'm try to make our CI online asap.13:54
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baoliyongilhe, that's great!13:55
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yongilheany hw CI there?13:56
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itzikbyongilhe: What tests are your running?13:57
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sadasuI have questions on how to convert my existing setup to do Nova CI13:57
sadasucan we do both Nova and Neutron CI on the same TB?13:57
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sadasuI am investigating in the background...will hopefully have an update in the next meeting13:58
yongilheitzikb, to online, first stage only had baisc pci passthrough testing. and will add more and more gradully.13:58
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yongilhesadasu, we trying to cover basic sriov after online.13:58
itzikbyongilhe: You mean local testing or tests that are upstream?13:59
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yongilheitzikb, i don't know yet, but upstream a HW specific test seems not very valuable. but if it does, we happy to upstream all of them.13:59
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baoliTime is running out. So let's continue next time14:01
baolithanks everyone14:01
yongilhesure, then, bye14:01
baoli#endmeeting14:01
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sadasuthanks!14:03
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itzikbbaoli: ping14:06
baoliitzikb: pong14:06
itzikbbaoli: So you are renaming the interface to logical one , right?14:06
baoliitzikb: check this out: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136077/14:07
baoliitzikb, basically rename the interface to srv<port-id>14:08
itzikbbaoli: When are you doing the renaming?14:09
baoliitzikb, while generating the VM's config/XML14:09
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itzikbbaoli: So when the instance boots up the interface is already renamed , right?14:10
baoliitzikb, that's right. And that's when libvirt throws the error.14:11
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itzikbWhat's the error?14:11
baoliI forwarded the query to you.14:12
itzikbtnx14:12
baolilibvirtError: Cannot get interface MAC on 'srv424ac2f0-eb0': No such device14:12
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baoliitzikb, so basically libvirt can't find that interface any more.14:13
baoliitzikb, I need to be offline for half hour. Talk to you later.14:13
itzikbbaoli: sure14:13
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sc68calhello all15:00
rprakashany ipv6 discussions now15:00
sc68cal#startmeeting neutron_ipv615:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Dec  2 15:01:02 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:01
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ihrachyshkao/15:01
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rprakashJust wanted to know if IPV6 in neutron supports Mobile Extension in openstack?15:01
sc68calrprakash: please wait until open discussion at the end15:01
rprakashok15:02
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sc68cal#topic announcements15:02
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sc68cal#info Spec freeze deadline is next Monday15:02
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sc68cal#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NeutronSubteamCharters#IPv6_team IPv6 subteam charter15:03
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sc68cal#topic specs15:03
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sc68calYou'll notice I only put a link to the multiple prefix spec on our charter - I have a lot of concerns about the ipv6 and dvr blueprint, due to it's size and how close we are to the freeze15:04
sc68calso I did not include it in our list of specs that we are tracking15:04
sc68cals/it's/its15:05
sc68calLooks like baoli isn't on15:05
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dane_leblancBaoli just joined now15:06
sc68calbaoli: not to ambush you as you just joined, but I think your ipv6 and dvr spec is in jeopardy of missing the freeze15:06
baolisc68cal: hi15:08
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baolisc68cal: can you clarify?15:08
sc68calyour blueprint is very large and encompasses many items that are somewhat related, but large enough they warrant separate specs15:09
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sc68calthe spec freeze is next Monday - IIRC15:09
sc68calso I worry that it's not going to make the freeze15:10
baolisc68cal, ok, then it needs to be divided up before the deadline, I guess.15:10
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sc68calOK - so let's break it up - if anyone has a piece that they want to work on for Kilo, please send an e-mail on the ML or in the existing review for which piece you're taking15:12
baolisc68cal, I'll make that as a priority for this week, then15:12
sc68cal#link https://review.openstack.org/136878 Support IPv6 routers and DVRs15:12
sc68calbaoli: we should probably just let people take pieces - that'll take the pressure off you15:13
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baolisc68cal, a couple of folks here have plans working on some of the pieces.15:13
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baoliIs xu han here?15:14
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xuhanpyep15:14
baolixuhanp is working on it as well.15:14
xuhanpI am working on creating the qg device on each compute node right now.15:14
baoliIf I'm not mistaken15:14
baolixuhanp, we need to sync up on that.15:14
xuhanpbaoli, right.15:14
xuhanpI will leave comments to your spec review.15:15
sc68calOK - my suggestion is to break it up into separate peices so that no sync is needed - we have less than a week to get a spec submitted, reviewed, and merged15:15
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baolixuhanp, sounds good. Do have some time after the meeting to discuss on IRC a little bit?15:15
sc68calI would also suggest picking something *small* and reasonable, there's going to be a ton of changes to the plugins, API layer, etc.. you're going to be dodging merge conflicts a lot this cycle I think15:16
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sc68callet's pick small, winnable battles :)15:16
xuhanpbaoli, it's a little late for me after the meeting. I will ping you to discuss the time.15:16
baolixuhanp, sure.15:17
absubramplease include me too xuanhp :)15:17
ihrachyshkasc68cal: any free battles for someone willing to get involved? I would be interested in one.15:17
sc68calihrachyshka: keep an eye on the bug queue - i'll link to it in a few minutes15:17
baolisc68cal, yeah, that's the concern. But I think that's something we have to cope with.15:17
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baolisc68cal, but I'd like to see a working prototyping system that we can evolve on, and eventually merge to upstream.15:18
sc68calI agree in principal, but my experience with the QoS API extension, which had small changes to just the OVS agent taught me the folly of not keeping up with upstream15:19
sc68cal#topic bugs15:21
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xuhanpsc68cal, how about the extra dhcp opt blueprint for IPv6, can it be made into the charter?15:21
sc68cal#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=ipv6 IPv6 tagged bugs in Neutron15:21
xuhanpsorry to interrupt the bugs topic15:21
sc68calxuhanp: no problem.15:21
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sc68calxuhanp: do you have a link to your spec15:22
xuhanpyep. https://review.openstack.org/12911815:22
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xuhanpit's pretty trivial.15:22
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sc68calreviewed - you'll need to rebase15:23
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xuhanpsc68cal, will do15:24
sc68calso my comments for baoli's spec also are for this one, deadline approaching, time to review, merge, etc... is low15:24
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sc68calDon't forget everyone, I'm not core, I can't +2 specs. I'll try my best to get cores to look and approve but make sure you're also reaching out to cores too15:25
xuhanpsc68cal, the spec has been there for a while, do you think it still need a lot of time to be reviewed?15:25
xuhanphow about I try to ping some cores to ask their ideas?15:26
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sc68calxuhanp: that sounds like a good idea15:27
xuhanpsc68cal, will adding it to the charter help speed up the review?15:27
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sc68calxuhanp: I don't know - my concern is by adding things to that charter - does that mean the subteam is measured against that list, in terms of success15:27
sc68calmestery: ^15:28
mesterysc68cal: The sub-team charter is for deliverables in Kilo, which are tracked. Mostly it's because I'm lazy :)15:28
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sc68calmestery: thanks.15:28
sc68calSo my concern is having deliverables that we're adding a week before the freeze15:29
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sc68calmestery: what are your thoughts? we have a couple blueprints that we'd like to get in before the freeze15:29
mesterysc68cal: You mean IPV6 specs you're proposing? If they seem doable, and you think your team can deliver them, lets add them in.15:30
mesterysc68cal: Make sense?15:30
sc68calmestery: thanks - that makes a lot of sense15:31
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sc68calxuhanp: I'll take a look at your dhcp opts spec, it sounds like a reasonable goal15:32
xuhanpsc68cal, thanks!15:32
sc68cal#topic bugs15:33
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sc68cal#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=ipv6 IPv6 tagged bugs in Neutron15:33
sc68calihrachyshka: That's probably the best way to get started, find an unassigned bug and start digging15:33
ihrachyshkasc68cal: will do :)15:34
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sc68calraorn isn't on, hopefully he reads the logs - he's been reporting some bugs and proposing fixes - kudos15:35
sc68calhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/139838015:35
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uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1398380 in neutron "DHCP Agent always releases ALL IPv6 leases" [Undecided,In progress]15:35
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sc68calhmm, second time this meeting i've mentioned someone and then they join15:36
sc68calraorn: we were just discussing your dhcpv6 leases & brackets bug15:37
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raornhi ;-) sorry, i'm late15:37
raorngreat!15:38
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sc68caldoes anyone else have bugs to discuss?15:39
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sc68calOK - I'll go ahead and turn over to open discussion if there are no objections15:40
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sc68cal#topic open discussion15:41
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ihrachyshkasc68cal: I have a question on how we spawn radvd. we use ProcessManager. it waits for exit from radvd to proceed. Does it mean we effectively block router updates for the router?15:42
sc68calbaoli: ^15:43
sc68calI think we sigkill the radvd process when we do an update to the config file15:43
ihrachyshkasc68cal: I experience that behaviour in my setup, though I need to admit it's not clean u/s devstack installation15:43
baoliihrachyshka: I don't quite get your question.15:45
ihrachyshkasc68cal: I mean, we invoke radvd with execute() which calls .communicate() on process pipe, meaning it waits for exit of the process. and _spawn_radvd_... thing is called from process_router()15:45
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ihrachyshkabaoli: so doesn't it mean that process_router() will hang until radvd actually exits and returns its output and return code to execute()15:45
ihrachyshka?15:45
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baoliihrarchyshka, I don't think so. But I'll have to check to be sure.15:46
baoliradvd should be running all the time.15:46
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ihrachyshkabaoli: ok, let's discuss it off the meeting15:47
baolisure15:47
sc68calhttp://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/neutron/tree/neutron/agent/linux/external_process.py15:47
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raornabout dhcp_release and brackets... i'm not sure if ipv6 addresses should be completely ignored15:50
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raorndhcp_release does not support ipv6, but it doesn't seem to complain about it very much15:51
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raornon the other hand - checking address family during parsing of dnsmasq hosts file will show the process15:52
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sc68calraorn: I'd have to do some code reading to catch up15:53
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raornaddress family check should be added in _release_lease() method, in case there will be working dhcpv6_release some day15:55
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raornbut that's another issue15:55
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sc68calraorn: gotcha. Like I said I don't remember much of the dhcp part of the code at the moment, I need to grab your code and run the unit tests and poke it a bit15:57
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sc68calalthough with that, we're pretty much out of time - see everyone next week!15:57
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sc68cal#endmeeting15:58
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adrian_otto#startmeeting Solum Team Meeting16:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Dec  2 16:00:29 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting'16:00
adrian_otto#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2014-12-02_1600_UTC Our Agenda16:00
adrian_otto#topic Roll Call16:00
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adrian_ottoAdrian Otto16:00
nshaikhNavid Shaikh16:01
gpilzGil Pilz16:01
datsun180bEd Cranford16:01
devkulkarniDevdatta Kulkarni16:01
adrian_ottohello everyone16:01
datsun180bhowdy16:01
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jorgemo/16:02
adrian_ottowe will begin in just a moment16:02
adrian_ottoif you do not type anything during roll call, that's okay, you can register your attendance at any time during the meeting by participating.16:03
adrian_otto#topic Announcements16:03
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adrian_ottonone prepared, any announcements from the team?16:03
akshayc_hello everyone.... i am looking to join the team16:03
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adrian_ottoakshayc_: welcome! Would you like to share a bit about yourself?16:04
devkulkarnihi akshayc_: welcome. and welcome to nshaikh as well16:04
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stannieHi, sorry missed roll call16:05
akshayc_i have used openstack and i really liked it. i am looking for ways to contribute.16:05
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adrian_ottowelcome stannie16:05
akshayc_used personally, (not in production)16:05
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adrian_ottoakshayc_: I have a blog for you to consider…16:06
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adrian_otto#link http://adrianotto.com/2014/08/how-to-be-awesome/ How to Be Awesome16:06
dimtrucko/16:06
adrian_ottodimtruck: just in time16:06
akshayc_sure.... also i was looking at the bug list....16:06
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adrian_otto#topic Review Action Items16:06
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adrian_ottodimtruck to follow up on bugs 1359516 and investigate for any specific issues in replacing simple_server with mod_wsgi16:06
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1359516 in solum "Needs to handle http header 'X-Forwarded-Proto'" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135951616:06
adrian_ottodimtruck: any update on this?16:07
dimtruckugh, sorry - thanksgiving killed me :(16:07
dimtruckcan we push this forward one week16:07
adrian_ottoyou are not alone16:07
adrian_ottoyes, I will carry it16:07
datsun180byou're in good company16:07
adrian_otto#action dimtruck to follow up on bugs 1359516 and investigate for any specific issues in replacing simple_server with mod_wsgi16:07
dimtrucksame :(16:08
dimtrucki suck16:08
adrian_ottoSHould I carry this one also: dimtruck to report back results of multi-node devstack with solum setup16:08
dimtruckyes please hahaha16:08
adrian_otto#action dimtruck to report back results of multi-node devstack with solum setup16:08
adrian_ottoand like you, I was totally away from work...16:08
adrian_otto#action adrian_otto to cut the final Juno release16:08
adrian_ottoI will complete that before we meet again16:08
adrian_otto#topic Blueprint/Task Review16:09
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devkulkarniakshayc_: there are couple of bugs marked as low hanging fruit16:09
adrian_ottothis topic is to allow us to cover work tasks that require team collaboration16:09
akshayc_ok.... i wlll take a look....16:09
adrian_ottowould anyone like to raise any?16:09
akshayc_any inparticular you are refering to?16:09
akshayc_nothing for now16:09
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devkulkarnidon't remember any particular off the top of my head16:09
datsun180boh yeah16:10
datsun180bso assembly logs is merged in solum but the logs command in client isn't. can i get a push on that?16:10
devkulkarnidatsun180b: sure16:10
datsun180b#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131292/16:10
datsun180bthanks16:10
adrian_ottook, any others before open discussion?16:11
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adrian_otto#topic Open Discussion16:11
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adrian_ottoI have one topic for this section16:12
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devkulkarniI have one topic as well16:12
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devkulkarniI had added it to the agenda: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2014-12-02_1600_UTC16:12
adrian_ottomine is pertaining to cli refinements and implications on the object model, database16:12
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devkulkarniadrian_otto: you go first16:12
adrian_otto (devkulkarni)16:13
adrian_otto Proposal: Change alternating meeting times to a single meeting time. Proposed time: 4.00pm CDT every Tuesday.16:13
adrian_otto Use #openstack-meeting-alt if available at that time every Tuesday. If not, use #solum.16:13
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adrian_ottothis will be fast, so we will cover this first16:13
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devkulkarniok16:13
adrian_ottostannie: I'd like your input on the proposed time16:13
devkulkarniso I was wondering if we could go back to a single meeting time16:13
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stanniedo you have somewhere the proposed time in CET ? :)16:14
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adrian_ottoone sec16:14
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devkulkarniI think it will be 11.00pm CET16:14
adrian_otto#link http://www.worldtimebuddy.com/?pl=1&lid=8,100,6,12&h=8 Proposed Time16:14
adrian_ottowait16:15
adrian_ottoone sec, I need to correct it16:15
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adrian_otto#link http://www.worldtimebuddy.com/?qm=1&lid=8,100,6,12&h=8&date=2014-12-2&sln=14-15 Proposed Time16:15
stannieperfect then16:15
adrian_ottoso that's 11pm for Paris.16:15
stanniethanks16:15
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adrian_ottono objections?16:15
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datsun180bso if that's tied to UTC then it'll shift for us in the states in the spring16:16
devkulkarnibut that will be 1 hour forward, so should not affect Paris, right?16:16
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stanniethat will be fine16:17
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adrian_ottoso that would be UTC 2200?16:17
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datsun180bthat's what wtb says16:17
adrian_ottoso on alternating weeks that wold conflict with the containers team meeting16:18
devkulkarniright!16:18
adrian_ottowhich I also chair16:18
adrian_ottoso either I'd need to miss it on alternating weeks, or see about rescheduling them16:18
devkulkarniwe can do one hour earlier if that works for you and also if we have the channel available16:18
datsun180bor you name a lieutenant for the off weeks?16:18
adrian_ottoanother option would be to check on a slightly earlier time… perhaps 2100 UTC16:19
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devkulkarniI would say we consider 2100 UTC16:19
devkulkarniif this channel is available we use it or we do it in solum on alternate weeks16:19
adrian_ottodatsun180b: I'm willing to do that16:19
datsun180bof course like dev says we'd need a different channel too, and i think that could be confusing if we used two channels16:20
adrian_ottothere are enough meeting channels to choose from16:20
adrian_ottoso let's just zero in on a weekly date/time, and I'll get us a free channel to use16:20
datsun180bsounds good. i have no problem with 2100Z16:20
devkulkarniI am fine with 2100UTC16:20
adrian_ottogood, any objections to 2100Z?16:20
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adrian_ottook, I'm proceeding to an agreed on this. Would you like to make next week the first?16:21
devkulkarniyes. lets start from next week16:21
datsun180byes16:21
stannie+116:21
adrian_ottosince it's normally planned for 2200Z16:21
adrian_ottook, good16:21
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adrian_otto#agreed Future team meetings will be held at 2100 UTC in an availavle meeting channel to be announced by adrian_otto by email to the ML16:22
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adrian_otto#action adrian_otto to select IRC meeting channel for next team meeting(s)16:23
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adrian_otto#action adrian_otto to announce selected channel on ML, and update https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum16:23
adrian_ottothanks devkulkarni16:23
adrian_ottoso, we can advance to my open discussion topic16:23
adrian_ottoabout cli refinement16:23
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devkulkarnithanks adrian_otto and everyone else for agreeing to change in meeting time16:24
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adrian_ottoour first version of Solum the API was inspired by a desire to embrace open standards. We employed many of the concepts expressed in CAMP. gpilz contributed code for further CAMP compliance based on this API, and we now have a shared object model and database.16:25
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adrian_ottothe terminology used in our current CLI mirrors the API closely16:25
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adrian_ottothis results in a CLI that requires that the end user has a concept of the terminology used by CAMP16:25
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adrian_ottobecause CAMP has not been adopted by other systems used by today's software developers, we notice confusion when presenting the concepts of assemblies and plans for the first time16:26
adrian_ottoinitially we expected the learning curve to be easily managed16:26
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adrian_ottothat expectation has been met with challenge… the bottom line is that the concepts we are using to express the modeling of applications are not easily understood by our end users16:27
adrian_ottoto respond to that, we plan to refine the CLI further16:27
adrian_ottoworking to adopt terminology that is already understood, and stepping away from the plan and assembly concepts16:28
adrian_ottosolum <verb> <noun>16:28
adrian_ottoor possible solum <noun> <verb>16:28
datsun180baww away from plan you say16:28
adrian_ottowhere the noun is usually "app"16:28
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adrian_ottoyes, have I captured the intent properly?16:29
datsun180byou have, but i have a cli review choosing plan over app :c16:29
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datsun180bno big deal, don't let me distract16:30
adrian_ottodon't worry about what's currently in play16:30
devkulkarniabout <noun> <verb>, other OpenStack services have <noun>-<verb>16:30
devkulkarniheat stack-create, for example16:30
devkulkarnivs. solum app create16:30
adrian_ottoyes, the "openstack" client (aka OSC) uses the noun verb ordering. This is a detail we can work out later.16:30
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devkulkarnisure.. just wanted to bring that up since we are anyways thinking of changing the CLI16:31
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adrian_ottonow, I'd prefer if refinements to the API don't require a wholesale overhaul to the object model and database, and perhaps even the existing API16:31
devkulkarniso adrian_otto, the problem definition is clear.. what is the proposal?16:31
devkulkarniokay.. you are explaining that..16:31
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adrian_ottoI'm getting to that… sorry for being so verbose16:31
adrian_ottoit is tempting to chuck out the API, and make one that perfectly matches the "revised" CLI16:32
devkulkarnino worries..16:32
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adrian_ottomy question is can we first try making a refined CLI with minimal adjustments the existing API and things below it16:32
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adrian_ottoto prove that it helps us solve the "uuuh what???" problem that we perceive today with newcomers16:33
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gpilzmakes sense16:33
adrian_ottoand if that's clearly the preference, to gradually work to true that up as tech debt. Those who know me well know that I am reluctant to propose this sort of tech debt.16:33
devkulkarniyes.. if we want to change this we should do it piece at a time.. The "uuhh what" problem will still manifest if users are directly going to interact with the API16:33
adrian_ottoand I recognize that users of the API wills till be confused because there would be differences between that and the CLI16:34
datsun180bthere's a lot of flexibility in what we can do with the CLI without having to make drastic changes to the api or the models16:34
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adrian_ottobut I expect that most adopters of solum will make a decision on adoption primarily on the cli, not the API16:34
gpilzusers of the API can always look at the CLI code16:34
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adrian_ottodevkulkarni: yes, exactly… and if we still have that problem, we should have this discussion again as it pertains to the API16:35
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adrian_ottoslightly more reworking over time, but might allow us to try more using this approach16:35
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gpilzwe should think about documenting the CLI code fairly well16:35
adrian_otto+116:35
adrian_ottoit should be really good at self documenting16:36
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adrian_ottorunning "solum" to get a list of all options, and "solum <thing>" to get help about <thing>16:36
devkulkarniI am fine with this direction in general.. although it will be good to see the proposed nouns and verbs..16:37
gpilzI meant in the sense of serving as an example on how to use the API16:37
adrian_ottodevkulkarni: I know Roshan has a first take on this, so let's bring that out for discussion16:37
adrian_ottopossibly next week16:37
devkulkarniokay, that will be good16:37
adrian_ottowe can also add to the API16:38
adrian_ottoso say we add an "app" resource that is a facade over plans and assemblies16:38
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adrian_ottothat's another way to strike a balance between the interests16:38
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adrian_ottoand for those who want to use the API to get more granular, the other resources are there to choose from16:39
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datsun180bwe have some measure of self-documentation https://gist.github.com/anonymous/a5de89a75a6ffe3291f816:39
datsun180barguably it could be much more rich16:39
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datsun180bignore my plan/app switcheroo16:40
adrian_ottodatsun180b: yes, that's it. We should see about how we can make that even better.16:40
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datsun180bargparse's help functions and error handling are, uh, "fun"16:41
adrian_otto:-)16:41
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datsun180bit likes to exit(0) if you have the wrong number of args16:41
adrian_ottook, so let's keep this dialogue open. If it makes sense to give this a try, then perhaps we don't need to revisit it.16:41
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datsun180banyway glad to help make the cli better to use once we nail down what 'better' is16:42
adrian_ottoif we hit some fundamental roadblocks, then let's come back to this and see what choices we have to address it16:42
devkulkarnisounds like a plan16:42
gpilzdatsun - clearly it needs to stop surfacing "assembly" - no one knows what that is16:42
adrian_ottoI want everyone to feel like we are sourcing input from all of you, and take any objections into consideration before commitment to sharp changes in direction16:43
adrian_ottoso if we miss this goal, please let me know so I can try to correct for it16:43
gpilzchanges to the DB schema are a trigger point for me16:43
datsun180bsteps we had discussed earlier was to call plans plans to free up the word 'application', then build commands in terms of applications and melt the plan and assembly concepts out of the cli16:44
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adrian_ottodatsun180b: sounds sensible16:44
datsun180bfocused on changing the cli experience without having to change the api16:44
adrian_ottowe could also reconsider "template" rather than plan16:44
datsun180bsure16:44
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adrian_ottobut to be clear, the CAMP API and Solum API are intentionally different, and will reman so16:45
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adrian_ottogpilz, I do expect that *some* change at the schema level may be needed, but I don't expect it to be major.16:46
gpilzokay16:46
adrian_ottoare we happy with wrapping up this topic?16:46
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datsun180bdo we want to formalize further discussion of it?16:47
devkulkarnisure. lets discuss this next week again when Roshan's draft will be available16:47
adrian_ottodatsun180b: let's touch base with Roshan, and I'll put it on next weeks agenda to revisit.16:47
datsun180bgotcha. i bet he's got some more fact-finding to do16:47
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adrian_ottowe have some end user interviews to explore this from a research study perspective16:48
adrian_ottoI think we want to get some input from that angle too16:48
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adrian_ottook, any more topics to touch on today?16:49
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datsun180bwell how about our new conscripts16:49
datsun180bhow can we help you get started with solum?16:49
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stanniehmm16:50
stanniewe still have nova-docker issues in our devstack env16:50
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stanniethe one hosted in rackerlabs' github16:51
adrian_ottonshaikh and akshayc_16:51
adrian_otto^^16:51
stannieso I guess newcomers will encounter this issue while trying to set their dev environment16:51
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stanniedo we have a fix for that ?16:51
datsun180bwhat issues?16:51
akshayc_i was looking at some bugs....16:52
stanniecannot create regular file `/etc/nova/rootwrap.d/docker.filters': No such file or directory16:52
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datsun180bstrange OH i think i have an idea16:52
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akshayc_that will affect dev.... is there a link to that bug?16:52
stannieoh this is due to the fact that 'docker-py' is not in global-requirements.txt16:52
gpilzexport NOVADOCKER_REPO=https://github.com/ed-/nova-docker.git16:52
gpilzexport NOVADOCKER_BRANCH=solum-pin16:52
datsun180byeah i was about to go dig for that nova-docker pin i made16:53
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gpilz^^^ there it is16:53
stanniethank you =)16:53
stanniewill try it16:53
datsun180bwe put a stake in nova-docker but then some of its upstream deps--oslo.concurrency--moved16:53
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datsun180bso i added a quick commit to cover that difference16:54
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devkulkarniglobal-requirements issue will still be there16:55
devkulkarnifor that we need to go back to the commit on nova-docker which does not use docker-py16:55
datsun180bi thought we got docker-py by it being a dep of nova-docker?16:55
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devkulkarni#link https://github.com/rackerlabs/vagrant-solum-dev/issues/2916:56
adrian_ottoanother option might be to make a (set of?) docker container(s) for running solum for dev, and those can be easily pinned to known good tags in the public docker registry16:56
datsun180bwell let me know, any of you, if your vagrant environment starts screaming16:57
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datsun180bwe'll get to the bottom of those problems16:57
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adrian_ottothat may actually start up much quicker than the vagrant setup we have now16:57
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datsun180bsee you all in #solum17:00
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akshayc_ok17:00
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adrian_ottothanks for attending everyone17:00
adrian_otto#endmeeting17:01
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serg_melikyan#startmeeting Murano17:01
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'murano'17:01
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serg_melikyanHi o/17:01
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serg_melikyanAm I alone today? )17:02
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henarmunozHi :-)17:03
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serg_melikyanHi Henar! :)17:03
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serg_melikyanThank you for joining today :)17:04
ruheo/17:04
serg_melikyan#topic Agenda17:05
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serg_melikyan1. Action Items Review17:05
serg_melikyan2. TOSCA Support & Pluggable Acrhitecture17:05
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serg_melikyan3. Open Discussion17:05
serg_melikyanDo anyone want to propose other topics to the Agenda?17:06
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StanLagunhello everyone. Sorry for being late17:06
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serg_melikyanLet's start with action items review :)17:07
serg_melikyan#topic Action Items Review17:07
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serg_melikyan#1 StanLagun, re-examine re-deployment feature after #1394104 will be merged17:07
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serg_melikyanStanLagun: had a chance to do it?17:07
StanLagunwas it merged?17:08
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StanLagunyes, it was17:08
StanLagunbut I haven't tested it since17:08
serg_melikyanOk, let's move to the next week17:09
serg_melikyan#action StanLagun, re-examine re-deployment feature after #1394104 will be merged17:09
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serg_melikyan#2 Serg, review and merge initial commit with template to the murano-specs17:11
serg_melikyanDone17:11
serg_melikyanStanLagun: btw, regarding the specs, how Versioning spec is going?17:11
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StanLagunserg_melikyan: wish I could say it is going well :) I almost finished this task but had to switch to urgent bugs17:13
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serg_melikyan#3 discuss policy guided fulfillment and create all necessary BP17:14
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serg_melikyanWe had very fruitful meeting last week, but I once again failed to file blueprints.17:15
serg_melikyanI hope guys not going to hold a big grudge on me :)17:15
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serg_melikyan#action StanLagun, move Versioning spec to the spec repo17:15
serg_melikyan#action serg_melikyan, create all necessary BP for policy guided fulfillment17:16
serg_melikyan#topic TOSCA Support & Pluggable Architecture17:17
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serg_melikyanGuys, let's discuss ideas about how to make additional languages pluggable. For now support for Heat packages are hard-coded, but questions is which level on pluggable we need17:18
serg_melikyanStanLagun: had a time to think about that?17:19
serg_melikyanI think we don't need actual ability to plug new package types on the fly17:20
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StanLagunserg_melikyan: it is not hardcoded. But there is no ability to load plugins dynamically which is relatively easy to implement17:21
serg_melikyanRather some API17:21
serg_melikyanStanLagun: do we need it?17:21
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StanLagunI think we do need it17:21
StanLagunBut we need to refactor package API first17:22
serg_melikyanWhy? From one point of view it will be a little bit convenient to add them, but it is not a thing that people change so often17:23
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serg_melikyanOk :) I think there are not so much people in this chat to discuss this question :) Let's skip it and discuss later.17:26
serg_melikyan#info we didn't had much people to discus Pluggable Architecture in scope of new package types17:26
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StanLagunit allows people to expirement with integration. Or have some integration in "contrib" folder rather than in main code17:26
serg_melikyan#topic Open Discussion17:26
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StanLagun*experiment17:27
serg_melikyanStanLagun: you right, agreee. Didn't thought about that aspect17:27
serg_melikyanhenarmunoz: How is your work with Murano is going? :)17:27
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henarmunozjust testing and having a look at the code17:28
StanLagunhemanthm: did you faced any problems by now?17:29
StanLagunhenarmunoz: ^^17:29
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henarmunozat this moment, MuranoPlException: [keystoneclient.exceptions.EmptyCatalog]: The service catalog is empty.17:31
henarmunozbut will continue testing :-)17:31
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serg_melikyanThis is related to the keystone - probably you need to register services in keystone (no idea how you did end-up with empty catalog).17:32
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serg_melikyanhttp://docs.openstack.org/developer/keystone/configuringservices.html17:32
StanLagunprobably we can help17:33
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henarmunozthanks17:33
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henarmunozlast murano version should work with icehouse or just juno vesion?17:34
serg_melikyanhenarmunoz: btw, team may join us in IRC #murano and we will be happy to help17:34
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henarmunozthanks17:34
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serg_melikyanActually it should works with both of them, if given that you run murano-dashboard separately from OpenStack one17:35
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serg_melikyanI mean, you can have OpenStack installed, and Murano running separately but pointing to OpenStack installation.17:36
henarmunozyes, i have murano locally for debugging pointing to an openstack devstack version17:37
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serg_melikyanthis what we do too, our lab is IceHouse and we run latest master locally17:38
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serg_melikyanIf you see keystoneclient.exceptions.EmptyCatalog with devstack, probably problems with devstack?17:39
serg_melikyanIt should at least have all needed components like nova17:39
StanLagundo you have Neutron enabled in devstack?17:39
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serg_melikyanStanLagun: isn't it enabled by default?17:40
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StanLagunno. nova-network is default17:40
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henarmunozI don't have neutron, just nova-network and the service catalog contains the nova service17:41
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serg_melikyanThat may be a problem, latest Murano 2014.2 works only with neutron17:42
StanLagunthat may be the problem. Murano requires Neutron. Support for nova-network wasn't merged yet17:42
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serg_melikyan :D17:42
henarmunozok, and the failure is when murano tries to create the network, thanks for the hint :-)17:43
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serg_melikyanbtw, StanLagun probably we need to rework support for nova-network with a thought to support attachment to existing networks on case of neutron17:45
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StanLagunyes17:46
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StanLagunwe need to refactor the whole core library17:46
StanLagunI don't think we should merge commit as is17:46
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serg_melikyan#info we need to rework nova-network commit to support joining to the existing networks in Neutron.17:47
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StanLagunbtw there is no ability to join existing Neutron network yet17:48
serg_melikyanThat is I am talking about17:48
StanLagunnot just nova17:48
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serg_melikyanThis feature we also need and it may affect design17:49
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serg_melikyanIf there are no other things to discuss, let's end meeting a little bit earlier17:55
serg_melikyan#endmeeting17:55
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serg_melikyanThank you, guys!17:55
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GheRiverohello?19:03
cineramahi GheRivero, was just wondering if we were meeting now myself :)19:03
TheJuliao/19:03
marioso/19:03
cineramashould we start?19:04
GheRiveroSpamapS: tchaypo: around?19:04
TheJuliaI just pinged SpamapS via IM19:05
SpamapSI'm here19:05
SpamapSlost track of time, sorry19:06
SpamapS#startmeeting tripleo19:06
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:06
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'tripleo'19:06
SpamapS#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TripleO19:07
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SpamapS#topic agenda19:07
SpamapS* bugs19:07
SpamapS* reviews19:07
SpamapS* Projects needing releases19:07
SpamapS* CD Cloud status19:07
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SpamapS* CI19:07
SpamapS* Tuskar19:07
SpamapS* Specs19:07
SpamapS* open discussion19:07
SpamapSRemember that anyone can use the link and info commands, not just the moderator - if you have something worth noting in the meeting minutes feel free to tag it19:07
SpamapSAnybody have stuff to ninja-add to the agenda?19:08
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SpamapSI'm going to add a specific topic after Specs, which is the meetup, just to raise awareness.19:09
SpamapS#topic bugs19:09
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SpamapS#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/19:09
SpamapS#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/19:09
SpamapS#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-refresh-config19:09
SpamapS#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config19:09
SpamapS#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config19:09
SpamapS#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-cloud-config19:09
SpamapS#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-net-config19:09
SpamapS#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar19:09
SpamapS#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tuskarclient19:09
SpamapSI've seen a few untriaged bugs lately, which is a) good news, as it means a sign of users. and b) bad news, as it means we're triaging a bit slow.19:10
bnemecohai19:10
SpamapSregarding https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1374626 .. I have been diverted onto _two_ other things before I can tackle that. I expect to address it in about 3 weeks.19:10
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1374626 in tripleo "UIDs of data-owning users might change between deployed images" [Critical,Triaged]19:10
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SpamapSI think we might need to start managing the high bugs more aggressively. There are 132 "High" bugs. What would people say to a bug-squash day some time next week?19:12
bnemecI won't be around next week, but +1 to squashing some of the high bugs.19:12
bnemecWe've got so many that it's almost a meaningless categorization now.19:12
GheRivero+1 anyday but monday.19:12
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greghaynes+1 from me19:13
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marios+119:13
SpamapSbnemec: Critical is "we have to do it", High is "We're going to do it some day". Everything else is "if you're looking for something to fix..."19:14
SpamapSOk how about Tuesday next week? Just generally the 24 hours that represents "tuesday" on your normal calendar.19:14
bnemecSpamapS: That doesn't really match my understanding of the levels.19:15
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SpamapSbnemec: thats what they end up being. :-/19:15
bnemecAgreed.19:15
SpamapSbnemec: targetting to milestones usually also communicates some urgency.. but we don't do milestones.19:15
bnemecYeah, milestones are nice, but they're a bunch of extra work at release time (as someone who just started doing Oslo releases).19:16
bnemecIt does force you to be better about triage though.19:16
SpamapSbnemec: it's really just a way to communicate to users what the plan is.19:17
SpamapSOk, anything else on bugs?19:17
SpamapSI'm still a little unclear on whether or not we have an actual fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/138534619:18
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1385346 in tripleo "upstart service unreliable after introducion of pipe to logger" [Critical,Fix committed]19:18
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SpamapSgreghaynes: ^^ weren't you looking at that?19:18
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greghaynesSpamapS: I was looking at a different bug but basically the same issue19:19
SpamapSgreghaynes: any way I can get you to take over that bug and see if they're duplicates and/or resolved fully?19:19
greghaynesIll comment on that report but I think its more of "a lot of our services are unreliablely detected whether they start because upstart is wierd"19:19
greghaynesyep19:20
SpamapSgreghaynes: ah right, so it's just the general problem that upstart's 'started' event isn't an indication that the service is ready.19:20
greghaynesyep19:20
greghaynesItd be awesome to find a better solution for the various openstack services at least19:20
SpamapSwhich I suspect also affects systemd, but perhaps they've added in some magic to make it more realistic.19:21
bnemecI know there was that systemd notification thing added to Oslo a while back.19:21
bnemecThat might be relevant here.19:21
greghaynesbnemec: ooh yes19:21
SpamapSbnemec: definitely, os-svc-daemon could definitely add the cli args to turn that on and things would be more reliable on systemd.19:21
greghaynesand upstart has similar notification mechanisms, might be worth looking into doing something similar19:22
bnemecYeah, I'm not sure which projects have actually adopted it yet though.19:22
SpamapSThough I suspect even with it, services probably don't actually implement it because it's kind of hard to say when your service is actually ready. :-P19:22
bnemec#link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/oslo-incubator/tree/openstack/common/systemd.py19:23
bnemecIt lives there for the moment, but last I heard the plan was to graduate all of that code to a lib.19:23
SpamapSgreghaynes: you can actually implement the systemd notification protocol in post-start in upstart, but it's evil and requires you to dig around in /proc. :-P19:23
greghaynesoh joy, I think I had an idea like that and then decided to remain sane19:23
SpamapSAnyway, lets move on19:23
SpamapSgreghaynes: yes forget I said it, your sanity is at risk. ;)19:24
SpamapS#topic reviews19:24
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SpamapS#info There's a new dashboard linked from https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TripleO#Review_team - look for "TripleO Inbox Dashboard"19:24
SpamapS#link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-openreviews.html19:24
SpamapS#link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-30.txt19:24
SpamapS#link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-90.txt19:24
SpamapSHeh, I think we might want to remove the word 'new' there. :)19:24
bnemec+119:25
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gfidenteI haven't updated the dashboard from a while now though, anybody did?19:25
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gfidente(the link to the dashboard)19:25
SpamapSSo, how does everyone feel about the stats? I think we're all lagging a bit..  but the actual numbers of waiting reviews isn't suffering a ton.19:26
SpamapSgfidente: I added os-net-config 2 weeks ago.19:26
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gfidenteSpamapS, to the dashboard-creator or just to the link in the wiki?19:27
SpamapSgfidente: both19:27
gfidenteI remember there were some disalignments a while back but dashboard-creator should be source ... this isn't very hot topic though, sorry for stopping19:27
gfidentetks19:27
gfidente:)19:27
SpamapSnp it's super useful19:28
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SpamapSOk it doesn't sound like people have strong feelings about reviews. Perhaps make a push to do a few more this week so we can slam the queue next week for bug-squash-day.19:29
mariosSpamapS: +1 wait times are acceptable    +thanksgiving etc19:29
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SpamapS#topic Projects needing releases19:29
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SpamapSWith the previous week dominated by a US holiday, I think we could skip this this week, unless somebody has a huge desire to push for it.19:30
greghaynesI wonder if stevenk was able to release last week19:30
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greghayneslooks like yes \O/19:31
greghaynesso SGTM on skipping this week19:31
SpamapSsounds like motion is seconded, all opposed? <pauses 60s>19:32
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SpamapSmotion passes, moving on19:33
SpamapS#topic CI19:33
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SpamapS#link http://goodsquishy.com/downloads/s_tripleo-jobs.html19:34
SpamapSlooks like we have a problem19:34
SpamapSanybody know what it is?19:34
bnemecAt a glance it looks like our hash sum mismatch is back.19:35
SpamapSWONDERFUL19:35
bnemecBut that's after looking at exactly one result, so it might not be the same for all.19:35
SpamapSwell that generally resolves itself as caches expire19:35
SpamapSbnemec: would you have time to dive into the results and see what is causing spurious fails?19:36
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bnemecYeah, lot's of hash sum mismatches and another one of these: http://logs.openstack.org/70/112370/12/check-tripleo/check-tripleo-ironic-undercloud-precise-nonha/d37f261/console.html#_2014-12-02_18_00_20_39219:37
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bnemecSpamapS: I can, but I think derek had said it was due to some sort of dns round robin-ing issue.19:37
SpamapSok, if it is just hash sum mismatches, then the cache times out after 4 or 8 hours, I forget.19:37
greghaynesI also still run into our issue where sometimes a node ends up in deleting state in heat19:37
greghayneshavent had time to dive into it yet19:37
bnemecYeah, that's still a thing too.19:37
SpamapSbnemec: oh yeah if the mirrors we're using are aggressively round-robining then it is more likely to cache out of sync copies.19:38
SpamapSOk, so IMO < 50% pass rate is /topic worth in #tripleo19:38
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SpamapSEven if it is probably just temporary.19:39
SpamapStchaypo: here?19:39
SpamapStchaypo: how are HP regions looking? (and also congratulations on being the one person I think of when I think of the HP regions ;)19:39
tchaypoNot really.19:40
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tchaypoHp2 - haven't looked for a few days, currently blocked by a setup-neutron bug. Don't know about hp119:41
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greghaynesI think the other big news for regions is derekh set up local bandersnatch mirrors and (I think it landed) switched toci to use them19:42
SpamapStchaypo: thanks for that.19:42
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SpamapSgreghaynes: sweeeet19:42
SpamapSperhaps we should also setup local apt mirrors to avoid the hash sum thing. :-P19:42
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SpamapSanyway shall we move on?19:42
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greghaynesYep, or we could be like infra and AFS19:42
greghaynesyep19:43
SpamapSgreghaynes: I'd be down to get in on the infra AFS cell. :)19:43
SpamapS#topic Tuskar19:43
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SpamapSAnything to report Tuskar party people?19:43
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tchaypoDerailing slightly - in last week's meeting we were wondering if these topics provide much value - maybe a weekly email update would be more useful19:45
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tchaypo...19:48
tchaypoI've been trying to compose an email asking what the point of these meetings is all weeks19:48
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tchaypoBut I can't make it sound right.19:48
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mariossomeone needs to unpause spamaps19:49
tchaypoSpamapS: around?19:49
greghaynes^Q19:49
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greghaynestchaypo: just do it, thats a pretty valid question to ask for a meeting and should be easy to answer :)19:49
SpamapSsorry19:50
SpamapSI got tossed off the net for a minute19:50
SpamapSor 719:50
SpamapSI blame the rain19:50
cineramatypical angeleno :)19:50
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SpamapS;)19:50
SpamapS#topic Specs19:50
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SpamapSgfidente: you're up19:50
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gfidentehey yes well submissions for the cinder/ceph are all up19:51
SpamapSgfidente: links?19:51
gfidentesurely need refinement but most of spec is covered19:51
gfidentehttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/tripleo/+spec/tripleo-kilo-cinder-ha19:51
gfidenteI urge to ask a fee questions:19:51
gfidente1. we want that to be the default for controlscale > 1?19:51
gfidente2. we want to test that in CI?19:51
gfidentethen19:52
gfidente1bis: if so, shall we deploy an additional node then hosting the actual Ceph OSD automagically? only one? let the user decide?19:52
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gfidente2bis. if so, which config shall we use for the CI job?19:52
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SpamapS#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tripleo/+spec/tripleo-kilo-cinder-ha19:52
SpamapSgfidente: I think we should do ceph in the HA job, but I think we may want to first stabilize the current HA job.19:53
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bnemec+119:53
SpamapSSeems like everyone is kind of tapdancing around that as there seem to be more pressing issues.19:53
SpamapSBut really, that is the heart and soul of TripleO for anything other than tiny clouds with tiny requirements.19:54
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SpamapSgfidente: thanks for your work on this btw. :)19:54
gfidenteoh that was fun, I fell a lot behind with reviews but19:54
SpamapSDo we want to talk about the dib tracing changes and how there may be a need for a spec?19:54
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gfidentepardon, one important thing is, I understand we don't want to enable it in CI immediately19:55
gfidentebut shall we leave to users the control of using vs not-using ceph too? how can we test the submissions in that case?19:55
greghaynesWe should add a column in https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LuK4FaG4TJFRwho7bcq6CcgY_7oaGnF-0E6kcK4QoQc/edit?usp=sharing19:55
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greghaynesgfidente: I dont see why not to enable it in CI, its simply just that HA in CI doesnt pass at a rate where it would really be useful19:57
SpamapSgfidente: I think that may be something to posit in your spec, so there can be inline debate.19:57
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SpamapSAnyway, before we run into the end of the meeting.. I wanted to just bring up the meetup19:57
SpamapSmeetup/sprint/etc.19:57
bnemecThere's also a resource issue - can we absorb another node/more memory usage?19:57
SpamapSbnemec: there won't be more nodes, but there will be some more memory usage for ceph-mon and ceph-osd19:58
SpamapSnot much tho19:58
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SpamapSthey are pretty lean when they're doing almost nothing. :)19:58
SpamapSAnyway, let's discuss this in spec review. Please review gfidente's spec!19:59
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bnemecack19:59
SpamapS#topic Mid-Cycle19:59
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tchaypoFeb 16-2019:59
* slagle curses DST19:59
tchaypoSeattle, up19:59
tchaypo*hp19:59
SpamapSJust a reminder before we go, I haven't gotten final confirmation of the dates, but Feb 18 - 20 are the tentative days and Seattle is definitely the destination.19:59
greghaynes\O/19:59
bnemecslagle: You got it right last time. :-P20:00
SpamapSPlease watch the etherpad and ML for final confirmation. THat is all20:00
SpamapS#endmeeting20:00
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slaglebnemec: i know, but i forgot to modify it on my calendar20:00
SpamapScheers everyone!20:00
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adrian_otto#startmeeting containers22:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Dec  2 22:00:17 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.22:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.22:00
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adrian_otto#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers Our Agenda22:00
adrian_otto#topic Roll Call22:01
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adrian_ottoAdrian Otto22:01
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yuanying_Yuanying Otsuka22:02
dguryanov|2Dmitry Guryanov22:02
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adrian_ottowelcome22:03
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adrian_ottobased on attendance, it seems this meeting time is less popular than 1600 UTC22:04
sdakeyo22:05
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adrian_ottohi sdake. Thanks for leading us last week.22:05
sdakeadrian_otto no problem22:05
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sdakeadiran_otto ya this is so late in the day for the east and some west coasters22:05
daneyonhey22:05
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sdakeadrian_otto not sure if you had a chance to read the logs from last week, but we set a deadline of the19th for milestone #122:06
sdakewhatever that may be ;-)22:06
adrian_ottohow many of us are joining from India, or East Asia, or Australia?22:06
adrian_ottosdake: excllent22:07
yuanying_I'm Japanease22:07
yuanying_So, good morning.22:07
adrian_ottoyuanying_:  so this is like 7am your time22:07
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adrian_ottook, let's get going22:08
* dims made it back22:08
adrian_ottowere there action items to cover from last week?22:08
sdakeno22:08
adrian_ottook, I see that22:09
adrian_ottoso I carried forward our previous agenda22:09
adrian_ottothere we had :22:09
adrian_otto#topic Open discussion on initial architecture22:09
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adrian_ottodo we need more discussion on this?22:09
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sdakeI think we covered that pretty well last meeting22:09
adrian_otto#topic Blueprints22:10
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sdakealthough I have started on versioned objects support22:10
sdakewhich we hadn't originally thought of using22:10
adrian_ottoare there blueprints to review / update as a group?22:10
adrian_ottosdake: why did we think we might not need it?22:10
sdakeasalklked told me about it last night22:10
sdakeso I ported our code to it22:10
adrian_ottook, sweet22:10
sdake(its from nova/ironic, going to oslo-incubator)22:11
adrian_ottohopefully that was not a hard port.22:11
sdake15 patches22:11
sdakenot passing gate yet22:11
adrian_ottosounds like a lot ;-)22:11
sdakebut works in local environment22:11
adrian_ottook, so let's have a look in LP for milestones and associated BPs22:11
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adrian_otto#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum Blueprint List22:12
adrian_ottois Slower here today?22:12
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adrian_ottoit looks like all the milestone 1 BP's are assigned to owners22:13
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adrian_ottohttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/milestone-122:13
sdakeI think we need to move https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/implement-magnum-bays into milestone 122:13
adrian_otto#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/milestone-1 Milestone 1 Blueprints22:13
sdakesince that is the first feature i'll be working on22:13
sdakeand i'll own it22:13
adrian_ottook, proceed22:13
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adrian_ottoshould we look for status on the Essential ones?22:14
adrian_otto#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-api-service-containers22:14
adrian_ottothat is marked as not started22:15
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adrian_otto#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-api-service22:15
adrian_ottoseem to overlap?22:15
sdakesame blueprint i think22:15
sdakea bunch of people are working on it at once22:16
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sdakeit doesn't have one owner22:16
adrian_ottook, so any need to merge these?22:16
sdakeyup makes sense22:16
sdakeoh wait22:16
sdakeservice-containers is a breakout of the top level container22:17
sdakeso should be a dpeendency22:17
adrian_ottowe also have another pretty important one that is also marked as not started:22:17
adrian_otto#Link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-backend-docker-api22:17
adrian_otto#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-backend-docker-api22:17
sdakeadrian_otto to do any of the backends, we have been blocked on RPC22:17
dimsadrian_otto: waiting for the current series from sdake to merge22:17
sdakethat was unblocked Monday22:17
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sdakethen I reblocked it with the versioned objects patch stream22:17
adrian_ottook, fair enough.22:18
adrian_ottoso sdake, when that's working, you'll ping any devs who are queued behind that work?22:18
sdakewell I guess they can ping me if they need22:18
sdakewhat we need are reviews on the open patch stream22:18
sdakefor the patches that are passing22:19
sdakeall the patches are "done"22:19
sdakethey just have minor nitpicks with the gate22:19
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sdakeso a full review by a couple folks would be helpful22:19
adrian_ottook, I'll plan to chip in and help with that22:19
sdakecool22:19
dimssdake: you ok with say me fixing some of the gate stuff?22:20
adrian_ottoany trouble with things outside our code, such as help needed from members of other projects?22:20
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sdakedims i'm going as fast as the gate can go ;-)22:20
dimssdake: ack :)22:20
sdakeunfortunately my pep8 produces different results then the gate22:20
sdakei could use help on the test cases in the last few patches22:20
sdakeI am likley going to comment them out just to unblock us22:21
dimssdake: aha. i can help with that22:21
sdakeand then fix later22:21
adrian_otto#topic Open Discussion22:21
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sdakeafter the versioned objects patch is in22:21
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sdakewe need the backend rpc server written22:22
sdakeanyone interested in tackling that?22:22
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sdakeshould probably be a new blueprint22:22
adrian_otto+122:22
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sdakei'll file a blueprint after the meeting22:22
adrian_ottotx sdake22:22
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sdakecool four more patches passing the gate22:24
sdakeI think atm our ciritcal need is to get versioned objects merged22:24
sdakeplease submit a pass of reviews today if possible, and I'll address comments when I return from dinner22:24
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sdakesince version objects is blocking everything22:24
dimsack22:24
adrian_ottohow have our reviewers been working together?22:25
adrian_ottoare the -1 votes producing meaningful improvements in the code?22:25
sdake-1 seems to be improving the code22:25
sdakeseems like folks aren't requireing test cases yet22:25
sdakewhich is good and bad22:26
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sdakeI'd suggest we start enforcing test cases sshortly22:26
sdakeprobably once we get the rpc backend w ritten22:26
adrian_ottook, so I'm happy with allowing that at this early stage under one condition22:26
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adrian_ottothat we file a bug marked as tech debt22:26
adrian_ottoso that we have a full accounting of where to come back and solve it later22:26
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sdakewfm22:27
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adrian_ottook, everyone here knows how to file bugs in LP, right? If not, see me, I will help.22:27
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adrian_ottook, sounds like our remaining time would be best spent reviewing:22:28
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adrian_otto#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+magnum,n,z Magnum Reviews22:28
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adrian_ottoanything else to cover today? If not let's close early and focus on reviewing.22:29
adrian_ottothanks all for attending.22:30
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sdakeI had a q22:30
sdakeabout the spec22:30
adrian_ottook22:30
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sdake#link https://review.openstack.org/13610322:31
sdakelast time about 10 folks voted to make magnum a wrapper ove rdocker+k8s22:31
sdakebut that spec isn't in alignment22:31
sdakesince this is a different group, wanted to make sure folks were aware of that22:32
sdake#link https://github.com/stackforge/magnum/blob/master/README.rst22:32
adrian_ottook22:33
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adrian_ottoone consideration is if this project wants to become integrated, will there be any bias against k8s as a dependency22:34
sdakeya unclear to me - nova depends on libvirt, neutron depends on openvwitch22:34
sdakeseems like big major dependencies are ok22:34
adrian_ottogood point22:34
sdakeone cool thing is we can automate the launching of k8s in bays22:35
sdakevia virt or bare metal22:35
dguryanov|2What about docker backend?22:35
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dguryanov|2If someone wants to use only docker22:35
adrian_ottoso the part of the spec that conflicts with the k8s approach would be the intent to use gantt as a scheduler?22:35
sdakeI'm not sure there is conflict22:35
sdakeJust that it may need to be updated22:35
sdakeduryanov|2 then yo uwouldn't be able to use the services/pods abstraction22:36
adrian_ottook, we can revise the spec to confirm with the adjusted intent22:36
dguryanov|2I thought pods will be implemented in magnum22:36
adrian_ottosdake: there are new features coming in Docker that we should be aware of… getting you a few links to PRs…22:37
dguryanov|2Are there any documents, describing architecture?22:37
sdakedocker may implement pods natively22:37
sdakethen there is rocket to deal with as well ;-)22:37
adrian_ottoyes, which might actually be a better fit for Magnum22:38
dguryanov|2Is it possible to implement pods in magnum-backend-docker?22:38
adrian_otto#link https://github.com/docker/docker/issues/8681 (Docker) Proposal: Host management #868122:38
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sdakedgur possible but difficult22:38
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sdakeessentially you would have to reimplement k8s22:38
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adrian_otto#link https://github.com/docker/docker/pull/8859 Docker Clustering: Design proposal. #885922:38
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adrian_otto#link https://github.com/docker/docker/issues/8637 (Docker) Proposal: Container groups #863722:39
adrian_ottook, those are the three that I wanted to point out that may be informative for us22:39
dguryanov|2Thanks!22:40
adrian_ottothe Host Management feature could be paired with an openstack driver to interact with Nova22:40
adrian_ottowhich would give API/CLI access to add instances22:40
adrian_ottothe Clustering Design is a partial re-implementation of k8s, with existing POC code that (although requested) I don't think has been released22:41
dguryanov|2How will magnum interact with other openstack services, glance, cinder, neutron, heat?22:42
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adrian_ottobut there is a video of it…22:43
adrian_otto#link https://docker.com/community/globalhackday October 31st video of demos from Docker Global Hackday22:43
adrian_ottoit's the last demo in a set of three I think22:44
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adrian_ottohumm that link is not the same as when I first saved it22:45
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dimscluster demo? - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtnSL79rZ6o22:46
adrian_otto#link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZGmvGw-mWc&feature=youtu.be Host Management Demo Video (edited) from Oct 31st Docker Global Hackday22:47
adrian_ottodims, bingo.22:47
adrian_otto#link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtnSL79rZ6o Docker Cluster demo from Oct 31st22:47
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adrian_ottook, so that's some food for thought22:48
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adrian_ottoso should I take an action to revise the spec, sdake?22:48
adrian_ottoor should we consider additional alternatives first?22:49
sdakenot sure22:49
sdakepretty early days, I hate to make it permanent22:49
sdake;-)22:49
adrian_ottomy gut says let's experiment with k8s now22:50
sdakeagree22:50
adrian_ottoand let's iterate from there22:50
adrian_ottoand keep an eye on the other options as they progress22:50
adrian_ottothe composable nature of Rocket is really attractive22:51
adrian_ottoso I'm interested in having a much closer look at that too22:51
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adrian_ottook, let's wrap up22:54
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adrian_ottothanks for attending everyone.22:55
adrian_otto#endmeeting22:55
sdakethanks22:55
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