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baoli#startmeeting PCI Passthrough13:00
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baoliHi there13:00
pczesnohi13:01
irenabhi13:01
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baoliYongli sent an email to me and he won't be able to join today13:02
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baoliHe told me that he lost some of his work due to computer issues13:02
baoliBut he probably remember what he did, and will rewrite.13:04
baoliLet's get started13:04
baoliso we don't have new bugs.13:05
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sadasuHi13:06
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baolisadasu, Hi13:06
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irenabI can stay for 30 min only13:09
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baoliirenab, sure. let's keep it short13:10
sadasur we waiting for more folks to join?13:10
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baolisadasu, we've started already. on bugs13:10
baolilet's move on13:10
baoli#topic reviews13:10
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baolianything on reviews?13:11
irenabI wanted to discuss default vnic_type on network13:11
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irenabactually it son blueprints part, so waiting13:12
baoliok, we can move on if nothing for reviews. A few of them wait for +2s to get in13:13
irenabbaoli: do you join nova meeting?13:13
baoli#topic Blueprints13:13
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irenabmaybe worth to ask there for review13:13
sadasuyes, mine too and I think everything is kind of on hold until descicion on driver split is decided13:14
baoliirenab, that's right. I joined some time13:14
irenabCan I start with Network default setting extension?13:14
baoliirenab, sure.13:14
sadasuirenab: yes13:14
irenabI started to draft the spec and need your advise13:15
irenabDo you think this should be specific default vnic_type on network level extension or more generic extension to add port default values on network level13:15
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irenabI am afraid to add generic one may cause long discussion, but do not like to add extension for vnic_type13:17
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irenabwhat do you think?13:17
pczesnowhat other settings, besides vnic_type, could use this?13:17
baoliirenab, I'm confused with the two choices13:18
baoliCan you clarify on the second choice?13:18
irenabI think any port extension that has some attribute on port create13:18
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sadasuI have a more fundamental question, why do we need a default vnic_type at the network level?13:19
irenabSecond is be able to specify on net-create --default_vnic_type=direct13:19
irenabthe first is to be adle to provide dictionary containing different key, val on net-create13:20
irenabnet-create --defaults type=dict {'vnic_type': direct}13:20
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irenabthe dictionaly is general and maybe used for different settings, like dhcp_extra_opts, qos, ...13:21
sadasuso the behavior would be once a default_vnic_type is specified on a network, if a port is created on the network, it would have the same vnic_type unless overriden specifically, correct?13:21
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irenabsadsu:correct13:21
baoliirenab, so both choices enhance the net-create command, but with different format.13:21
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irenabbaoli: yes. One choice is general  mechanism, second only for vnic_type13:22
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baoliirenab, to make it generic, it requires more participation in the discussion. And I agree with it will be hard.13:23
sadasuirenab: with port security extension BP, the default values of security groups is manipulated13:23
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irenabI think to raise it also at ML2 meeting13:24
irenabsadasu: what do you mean?13:24
sadasuso having a vnic_type specific implementation  is fine...but don't need to go the extension route13:24
irenabHow can you do it on network without adding extension?13:25
baoliirenab, do you know if we have any other default values associated with the network?13:25
sadasuactually, the only way I know is through an extension...but I am not sure if there are other solutions13:26
irenabbaoli: not for SR-IOV , but this maybe useful for other extensions, i.e. dhcp_extra_opts13:26
sadasufor example, security groups is also turned on all the time13:26
baoliirenab, i think it's worthwhile to circulate the idea around. At least, the dict format open the door for future additions.13:27
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sadasuso, in Kilo a BP is being proposed to add a port security extension, that would allow the default to be set and overriden for specifci ports13:27
irenabbaoli: this was my understanding as well. I think I'll try to discuss it at ML2 meeting and proceed with Spec/ML after this13:28
sadasuBP is proposed but evolving13:28
baolisadasu, do you have the link?13:28
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baoliirenab, that sounds good13:29
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irenabthanks, we can move on13:29
adrian-hobansadasu: I was under the impression that the main purpose of that is to be able to switch off security groups?13:30
sadasu#link https://review.openstack.org/9987313:30
adrian-hoban#link: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/switch-port-security-group13:30
sadasuadrian-hoban: agreed. Just wanted to point out another BP that was mucking with the default port settings13:30
irenabI didn't add this to agenda, but wanted to take 5 mins to raise QoS on SR-IOV support13:31
sadasuso basically saying that irenab's approach is correct :-)13:31
sadasuand has precedence13:32
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sadasuok..moving on13:33
irenabcan I just align you with QoS (rate linit) on VF?13:33
irenabrate limit13:33
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sadasuirenab: u still there? You mentioned you had to leave early13:34
irenabyes, have few more mins :-)13:34
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irenabjust wanted to say that we plan to add another extension to allow setting rate limit on VF13:35
baoliirenab, there is QoS subgroup. Do you think we need specific API for SR-IOV only?13:35
sadasuirenab: who is *you* in the previous comment?13:35
irenabstill trying to figure out if proceed this spec/pathces proposed since Havan for QoS or do more limited extension for rate limit only13:35
irenabsadsu: Mellanox :-)13:36
adrian-hoban_baoli: I think the implementation details will differ for rate limiting applied to SR-IOV ports13:36
sadasubaoli: I think we need to check what is being worked on in the QoS subgroup13:36
sadasuirenab's use case is only for rate limit13:36
baoliadrian-hoban_, that may be true.13:37
irenabI think the main issue from neutron perspective is if to go on QoS service, which may involve many discussions or choose the limited ML2 rate limit on port extension13:37
baoliirenab, I see.13:38
irenabsadasu: I talked to Sean (QoS leader) during the summit, he is not positive that QoS will be accepted...13:38
sadasuirenab: oh...13:39
irenabI wanted to check if this is something that maybe interesting for you guys as well13:39
adrian-hoban_irenab: Certainly of interest for me13:39
baoliirenab, we don't know what we will do on the QoS front yet.13:40
sadasuthis was an interest from day 1 on the ucsm side, but with way things have been progressing, this went to the back burner13:40
irenabgreat, I plan to discuss it at ML2 meeting as well. I'll update next week13:40
irenabsorry, have to go13:40
irenabsee you next week13:41
baoliirenab, see you13:41
pczesnoirenab, bye13:41
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sadasui'll look into details from the ucsm side as well13:41
sadasuireanb: thanks for the review13:42
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baoliI see that we have the stateless offloads spec up for review.13:43
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pczesnobaoli, yes, what do you think ?13:43
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baolipczesno, sorry I haven't got a moment to look at it in details. Will do it this week.13:44
pczesnobaoli, ok thanks13:45
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baoliWe can move on if nothing else for Blueprints13:45
pczesnojust a head's up13:45
baoli#topic CI Testing13:45
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baolipczesno, sorry, please go ahead13:45
pczesnoi'm working on the spec for the api change in nova to allow specifing vnic_type13:46
pczesnoi'll should have it "ready" this week13:46
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baolipczesno, that sounds good. Did you check the two abandoned patches on the meeting wiki page?13:47
pczesnobaoli, yes i did13:47
pczesnobaoli, thanks for the info13:48
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baolipczesno, cool. Looking forward to your spec. Please put the link on the wiki13:48
pczesnobaoli, sure13:48
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sadasupczesno: same here..13:48
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baoliAnything else anyone wants to bring up?13:50
beaglesyeah, quick question13:50
beaglesI think I mentioned last week that I'm working on a blueprint for bonding in guests...13:50
baolibeagles, sure13:50
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beaglesand while I was outlining I found myself wondering why we can't do some of this stuff now13:51
baolibeagles, so can you give us a general idea about it?13:51
beaglesbasically, I was wondering if anyone can think of an obstacle to creating two neutron ports on a dual part SR-IOV device and booting a VM with them13:52
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baolibeagles, what's a dual part SR-IOV device?13:52
beaglesassuming that the ports are configured via whitelist as being two different networks13:52
beaglesdual port sorry13:52
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pczesnobeagles, currently you cannot enforce that the two ports will come from different pf's13:53
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beaglesare the PFs related to the PCI ids in any way?13:53
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beaglesor maybe it would be better put  does each port have a different PCI id?13:54
baolibeagles, I have an two port intel card,13:55
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baoliand each of them has a different PCI address13:55
beaglesbaoli: yeah, same here13:55
pczesnobeagles, what's more each virtual function  will have a different pci address13:55
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baoliBut if you put them under two different networks, it's two ports as far as the VM is concerned, right?13:56
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baoliHow does the bonding take into play here?13:56
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beaglesall we need to do really is get two ports into the VM that get plugged to the right VFs13:57
beaglesthen the bonding is the guest's problem13:57
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pczesnobeagles, sure but you have to guarantee the guest that ports are attached to the same physical network and come from different phys functions13:58
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baolibeagles, today you can boot VM with two ports, each of them is assigned an IP address13:58
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beaglesummm why the same network13:58
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beaglesyou pretty much certainly DON'T want the same network13:59
pczesnobeagles, not sure13:59
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baolibeagles, the neutron view of the two ports has to be consistent wit the Guest's, otherwise, whatever the guest is doing to bond them won't work.13:59
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beagleswell... actually my statement is really kind of neither here nor there.. it depends on what you want the abstractions to mean14:00
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beaglesbaoli: yeah... I would assume that whatever assumptions you would normally need to make about a single port  would apply to multiples.. device support, whether bonding them is even workable, etc.14:01
baoliLets continue the discussion next week.14:02
beaglesbaoli: yup.. and I'll have more info then as well.. thanks!14:02
pczesnothanks, bye14:02
baolibeagles, I guess that we'll see more details once your spec is up.14:02
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baolithanks everyone14:02
baoli#endmeeting14:02
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sc68calhello all15:01
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xuhanphello15:01
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johnbelamarichello15:01
sc68cal#startmeeting neutron_ipv615:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Nov 25 15:01:38 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:01
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sc68cal#topic Blueprints & Specs15:01
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raornhi15:03
baolisc68cal: I submitted a review last night: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136878/15:03
sc68calIf you haven't seen on the ML yet, HenryG and I had some good comments on a spec about Kilo priorities, and we now have an IPv6 Impact section for all specs, for the kilo cycle15:03
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TapioTallgrenOpnfv15:03
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sc68calbaoli: awesome15:03
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sc68cal#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136878/ Support IPv6 routers and DVRs15:03
sc68cal#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136514/ Kilo Priorities for Neutron15:04
johnbelamaricsc68cal: I will be updating the IPAM spec either today or tomorrow. I'd like to get this team's input15:04
johnbelamaric#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/neutron-ipam15:04
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johnbelamaricin particular, we are trying to put in a framework that will allow future support for DUID-EN - right now I think we can only support DUID-LL15:05
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raornso, last time i showed you my fixed-ip-version bp15:06
raorn#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/12991015:06
sc68caljohnbelamaric: are you coordinating your work with Carl Baldwin?15:06
johnbelamaricsc68cal: yes, we had a long IRC meeting yesterday and are working closely on this15:06
sc68caljohnbelamaric: perfect, we'll keep an eye on IPAM, thanks for keeping us in the loop :)15:07
johnbelamaricsc68cal: no problem, expect an update tomorrow - just looked at my calendar today and probably won't be able to finish it today15:07
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xuhanpjohnbelamaric, is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97967/ the link for the spec review?15:08
sc68caljohnbelamaric: ok, no problem15:08
HenryGraorn: I still have your spec on my radar. I hope it is small and innocuous enough to not meet any resistance.15:08
sc68cal^ +115:09
raornwell, i need your wisdom15:09
johnbelamaricxuhanp: yes, but major updates will be submitted. if you follow that comment chain, Carl has posted a much newer WIP interface15:09
raorni've updated the "alternative" section today15:09
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sc68caljohnbelamaric: is it this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135771/15:10
xuhanpjohnbelamaric, great to know that. Thanks15:10
johnbelamaric#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134339/15:10
raorncurrent described approach was logical at the time it was implemened, but now SLAAC networks messed the whole thing (in a good way)15:10
HenryGraorn: I did not see that. I'll look at it and give it some thought.15:10
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HenryGraorn: What is meant by "top-level" attribute?15:12
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raornthe thing near "network_id", "name", etc...15:13
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johnbelamaricsc68cal: no, that is a different spec, but also a good one for htis team to review15:15
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sc68caljohnbelamaric: thanks15:16
sc68calSo..... we have a lot of specs to review ! :)15:16
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raornHenryG: "ip allocation policy" spec is not written yet, i just want to be sure that this idea worth the effort15:16
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HenryGraorn: I understand. I am having a hard time keeping up with all the specs.15:17
johnbelamaricI am not familiar with "ip allocation policy", this may overlap with the IPAM spec15:18
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HenryGjohnbelamaric: I hope they are the same.15:18
johnbelamaricHenryG: me too, i am looking for the BP15:19
raornjohnbelamaric: currently neutron tries to allocate one IPv4 address and one (well, not one) IPv6 address. if something fails - port is not created15:19
sc68calraorn: yeah I'm trying to find the patch proposed to fix that15:19
sc68cali'm really interested in it since I have a /28 and a /64 for my lab :)15:19
raornsc68cal: https://review.openstack.org/12506115:19
sc68calraorn: thx :)15:20
johnbelamaricraorn: ok, so that is directly in the code that will be refactored so we just need to make sure it gets handled properly during refactor15:20
raornso idea is to have per-network property, that will control allocation of fixed ips15:21
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raorndefault allocation, when fixed_ips was not set15:22
johnbelamaricraorn: ok, but this is about the policy of whether an exception is thrown when not all IPs can be allocated. reading the comments now15:22
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raornthere are also comments and "alternative" section in https://review.openstack.org/12991015:23
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sc68calOK, in the interest of time I'm going to move on to bugs - overall I think we have a ton of specs that we need to review15:25
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sc68calraorn: welcome to the subteam, you're doing good stuff! :)15:25
johnbelamaricraorn: ok, just looks like this needs to be coordinated but makes sense15:25
sc68cal#info We have a ton of specs that need reviewing15:26
sc68cal#topic bugs15:26
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raornok! i am making the "ip allocation policy" bp then15:26
raornthanks!15:26
sc68cal#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=ipv615:26
salv-orlandospec 129910 is good for me once ipv6 impact flag is added15:26
salv-orlandoI’ve looked at the alternative and with the tools we have so far this is probably the best we can achieve15:27
sc68calsalv-orlando: excellent - thank you!15:27
raornsalv-orlando: looking at current code, i think "alternative" approach is more logical...15:27
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HenryGsalv-orlando: Did you see the latest update in the "Alternative" section in 129910?15:28
HenryGjinx15:28
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salv-orlandoHenryG knows I don’t actually review specs but I shake the 8-ball to give a vote15:29
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salv-orlandoanyway, we’re in the bugs section now. I will comment on the spec.15:29
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sc68calSo I think the biggest bug on my radar is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/137632515:30
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1376325 in neutron "Cannot enable DVR and IPv6 simultaneously" [Medium,In progress]15:30
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sc68calI'd probably bump it to High, if I were able to15:30
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RajeevI have a review in progress for part of the fix15:30
HenryGI think haleyb is working on that?15:30
sc68calit may not be high for the overall neutron effort, but it's probably high on the subteam list15:30
HenryGAh, thanks Rajeev15:31
Rajeevhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/134676/15:31
sc68calRajeev: excellent, thanks!15:31
xuhanpI used to own the ARP part of it. But I am still struggling with how to send Neighbor advertisement.15:31
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HenryG(And then there is baoli's spec for big picture)15:32
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sc68calxuhanp: Agreed. We need a way to send ND packets, to mimic what ARP does on v4 side15:32
sc68calI think the more arp stuff that gets utilized on v4 side the deeper the hole gets on the v6 side15:32
xuhanpI can get rid of using library like ryu now. But I need to write a python script which can be called in namespace.15:33
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sc68calxuhanp: I'll try and sync with you on a more china friendly time to help with that15:33
xuhanpsc68cal, that will be great. Thanks!15:34
sc68cal#action sc68cal sync with xuhanp about ND packet sending from a namespace15:34
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SridharGI would like to get some feedback for the following patch - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136733/3/neutron/db/l3_db.py15:34
HenryGWould also like to discuss bug https://launchpad.net/bugs/139352715:34
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1393527 in neutron "IPv6 Subnets configured to use external router should not be allowed to associate to Neutron Router." [Undecided,In progress]15:34
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sc68calSridharG: I'll comment on that review15:35
SridharGsc68cal: thanks :-)15:35
sc68calbasically with the ipv6 address attrs unset, we go back to the way Neutron behaved before we introduced15:35
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sc68calwhich may or may not be broken in some plugins :)15:35
HenryGYes, the question is do we want to allow such a subnet on a neutron router?15:36
sc68calHenryG: hard question....15:36
sc68calmy first though is probably not15:36
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HenryGmine too15:37
sc68calah!15:37
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HenryGHopefully its only tempest that is attempting that, not any real user15:37
sc68calWe can throw an error, if ipv6_ra_mode is not set and they try to associate a router?15:37
sc68calhmmmm - no that'd introduce new behavior when the v6 attrs are not set :(15:38
SridharGHenryG: sc68cal: I have seen failures in some of the Neutron unit tests and in tempest aswell.15:38
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HenryGsc68cal: I understand15:38
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HenryGbut still, maybe we should fix things that are broken?15:38
HenryGAnyway, let's discuss in the review15:39
sc68calHenryG: agreed15:39
SridharGSure HenryG..15:39
raorni also have somewhat related bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/137288215:40
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1372882 in neutron "Neutron should drop certain outbound ICMPv6 packets" [Undecided,Incomplete]15:40
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sc68calSo - regarding that bug15:41
sc68calwe allow it out of the vm15:41
sc68calbut if I remember correctly we block it when the RA packet goes into other vm interfaces15:42
raornwe allow anything aout of vm15:42
sc68calxuhanp did the patch that blocks any RA that isn't from the gateway IP15:42
sc68calif I remember correctly15:42
raornyes, but it can be "provider" network, that have non-virtual hosts15:42
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sc68calright - and you'd put the LLA of the non-virtual router in the subnet's gateway IP15:44
sc68calto allow RA's through15:44
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sc68caltrying to find the bug that ian wells reported back during icehouse dev cycle15:44
raornbut i don't want a vm to affect metal host15:45
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raornin the same network15:45
raornsc68cal: i know what are you talking about, but it protects only vms15:45
sc68calraorn: ahhh, now I see what you're talking about. Yes, good point15:45
sc68calcan you update the bug with that?15:46
raornyes15:46
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raorndone15:48
sc68calraorn: perfect15:48
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sc68calany other bugs, otherwise I'll do open discussion15:51
sc68cal#topic open discussion15:51
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Rajeevreview https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136947/ from haleyb is also related to lp https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/137632515:53
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1376325 in neutron "Cannot enable DVR and IPv6 simultaneously" [Medium,In progress]15:53
Rajeevthat we briefly talked about earlier15:53
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sc68calRajeev: thanks!15:54
Rajeevso if you are reviewing one please take a look at the other too15:54
Rajeevsc68cal: welcome15:54
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sc68caloh, one more thing I just thought of15:54
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sc68cal#action sc68cal talk to -infra about an experimental job that uses the "4+6" feature of DevStack to do dual stack, for testing at the gate15:55
sc68calnow that has landed15:55
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Rajeevsc68cal: +115:56
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sc68calIf there isn't anything else, I'll give everyone back 3 minutes :)15:57
Rajeevxuhhanp: sc68cal: is baoli (Robert) also in China timezone ?15:57
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sc68calRajeev: no I think he's US PST15:58
baoliI'm in ET15:58
HenryGRajeev: US EST15:58
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sc68calah, I stand corrected :)15:58
Rajeevsc68cal: HenryG: thanks15:58
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sc68calOne other thing to chew on, in the last couple of minutes, since we mentioned TZ, is the possibility of having a asia/pacific friendly meeting time15:59
sc68calbasically have two chairs for the subteam, one for US/Euro and one for Asia/Pacific15:59
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sc68calanyway, thanks everyone!16:00
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sc68calsee everyone next week!16:00
sc68cal#endmeeting16:00
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sdake#startmeeting containers16:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Nov 25 16:00:45 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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sdake#topic rollcall16:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'containers'16:00
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sdakehey folks :)16:00
Slowerwoo, good timing16:00
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SlowerIan Main here16:00
sdakeadrian is on pto this week and asked me to fill in as meeting chair this week16:01
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daneyonhere16:01
yuanying-alto/16:01
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sdakemost peopeol call me "steak" as in where is the beef16:01
digaHiHi16:01
digaDigambar Patil16:01
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dguryanovHi!16:01
dguryanovDmitry Guryanov16:02
sdake#link agenda -> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2014-11-25_1600_UTC16:02
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sdakeanyone have last minute items to add to agenda?16:02
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sdake#topic open discussion on initial architecture16:02
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sdakeone approach to definining an initial architecture is to write it down - which has been done for magnum here:16:03
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sdake#link https://github.com/stackforge/magnum/blob/master/README.rst16:03
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sdakeplease take a few minutes to read through that, and then we can discuss if peopel like dislike etc16:03
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sdakeand hone in on an architecture for our first milestone16:04
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dguryanovAre you planning to add networking other than docker's port mappings?16:04
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sdakeok, so there is my straw man, any questions?16:05
sdakedaneyon any thoughts on dguryanov's q?16:05
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sdakeI think for our milestone 1, we aren't doing anything outside what is provided by base docker or kubernetes16:05
daneyonsdake: I know we had some discussion last week around services. Is the plan to follow the existing k8s service model?16:05
sdakethe basic idea is to wrap docker & kubernetes16:05
sdakewith a rest API16:05
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sdakethe wrapper would be generic enough that a "native" implementation could be written if one so desired16:05
sdakebut the basic idea is to reuse docker and k8s as much as possible16:06
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sdakethis is just my proposal there may be others16:06
sdakeif there are others,  lets get em out on the table16:06
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daneyonthere are several proposals in the docker community related to networking. 1 for adding to docker's native networking and others for creating a plugin model with network drivers.16:06
dimso/16:06
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dguryanovSo containers will use nova instance's IP. each pod will run in a separate net namespace, am I right?16:07
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dguryanovno, I'm wrong :)16:07
Sloweradrian otto has a different proposal16:07
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SlowerI'm trying to find it16:07
dguryanovAll containers will run in the same net namespace16:07
daneyoni think we need to keep things simple, using the existing k8s networking model until things flesh out (hopefully soon) in the docker community. thoughts?16:07
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Slowerdaneyon: I agree, from what I've seen of docker proposals they aren't getting a lot of traction16:08
Slowerseems like the core guys have ideas but I haven't seen them come to fruition yet16:08
SlowerI could be wrong but that's my impression16:08
sdakedocker and k8s are goin gto do what they are going to do16:08
sdakenothing we do is really going  to be able to influence their direction at this point in time16:09
* dims nods in agreement16:09
nitin_sdake: what is k8s16:09
sdakekubernetes16:09
dimsnitin_: kubernetes16:09
nitin_Ok16:09
sdakethat is the magic that does pods/services16:09
nitin_Have you guys started the containers meeting.16:09
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sdakeyes we have nitin_16:09
nitin_Ok16:10
nitin_without roll call16:10
nitin_seems to be16:10
sdakenitin_ use the power of scrollback16:10
daneyonSlower: I think traction will be made in the near future. Most of the proposals were created in the last few weeks.16:10
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sdakei prefer to focus on magnum proposals rather hten what docker and k8s are doing :)16:11
Slowerdaneyon: ya agreed16:11
sdakeI'd like to flesh out a plan for what our dev will look like in the next couple weeks16:11
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sdakeand set a milestone date16:12
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sdakeanyone opposed to readme.rst serving as our intiial architecture?16:12
nitin_yes16:12
dimssdake: sounds good to me16:12
Slowersdake: I like it16:12
digaI am ok with this16:12
sdakeshall we have a vote then just to  make it official16:13
digasdake: +116:13
sdake+1 = like -1 don't like16:13
sdake+116:13
Slower+116:13
yuanying-alt+116:13
diga+116:13
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sdake#Link https://github.com/stackforge/magnum/blob/master/README.rst initial milestone #1 archite4cture16:13
daneyoni think their is a strong possibility of this proposal being accepted for docker networking: # link https://github.com/docker/docker/issues/899716:13
dims+116:13
nitin_figuring out !16:13
sdakeok sounds like we are set then with the initial milestone #116:14
daneyonThe docker networking proposal uses this plugin model: #link https://github.com/docker/docker/pull/896816:14
sdake#topic adding of the blueprints16:14
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daneyonIt may be a good idea for others to spend a few minutes to check out the proposals and chime in on the thread.16:14
sdake#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/milestone-116:14
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sdakecan we get a rollcall of blueprint ideas people are working on currently in irc?16:15
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digayes16:16
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sdakejust go ahead and type away - think of this as a brainstorm session :)16:16
dimssdake: i was adding tests for the REST API16:16
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digasdake: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-backend-docker16:17
dimssdake: got 2 lined up16:17
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digahave you started this blueprint ?16:17
Slowersdake: Are we going to run the magnum backend service in a container?16:17
Slowereg, started by nova-docker16:17
sdakeslower I think that is too complex for milestone #116:17
Slowerok16:17
Slowerperfectly reasonable16:18
sdakediga I have only implemented the binary16:18
digaok16:18
Slowerso for now just along side nova?16:18
sdakethere are two backends : https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-backend-docker https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-backend-kubernetes16:18
sdakeslower I think that is easiest16:18
Sloweragreed16:18
sdakewe can launch is something like heat-kubernetes heat template16:18
digaShould I look at the remaining part if you allow me ?16:18
Slowerand from there it will be easy to explore vms/containers if we want16:19
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sdakeany blueprint that doesn't have n assignee can have one - just click "pick me" diga16:19
sdakeslower can you file a blueprint tho, so that idea doesn't gert lost16:19
Slowersdake: you bet16:20
sdakedims can you file your 2 ideas lined up into launchpad and assign em to yourself16:20
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sdakewe need someone to tackle https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/db-object-definitions16:20
sdakethis connects into magnum-conductor16:20
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sdakeanyone willing to take it on?16:20
yuanying-alto/16:21
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sdakeyuangyin-alt is that a yes :)16:21
yuanying-altYes yes16:21
sdakehttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/db-object-definitions16:22
sdakesee if you can click "pick me" under assigned to16:22
sdakerather "assignee"16:22
yuanying-altOk16:22
sdakediga were you planning tog take the docker backend or the kubernetes backend?16:23
dimssdake: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-rest-api16:23
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yuanying-altsdake: sorry I cant find "pick me".16:24
sdakenext to asignee isee the little circle?16:24
sdakeyellow circle with black pen in it i think :)16:24
sdaketry clicking that16:24
sdake(sorry for not just setting I need  to see if foks can set their own blueprints)16:25
SlowerI'd be in for a docker or k8s backend16:25
Sloweror I can work with someone16:25
djsampI can help out with either of the two...16:25
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dguryanovI can also help with iot16:25
dguryanovdocker or kubernetes backeds16:25
Slowersdake: what is the idea with doing both?  wouldn't it be easier to just pick one?16:26
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sdakeslower docker backend g ives full access to container stuff16:26
sdakek8s backend gives full access to k8s16:26
sdakek8s hides alot of container tech16:26
digasorry, got disconnected16:26
sdakediga you up for docker backend then?16:26
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digayes16:26
digaI am eager to do that16:27
nitin_diga: I can help you with the docker backend.16:27
sdakeslower we can work on k8s together - i know alot of how it works16:27
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Slowersdake: ok sounds good16:27
sdakenitin + diga = docker backend sounds good to me :)16:27
diga+116:28
diga:)16:28
nitin_+116:28
sdakeyuanying-alt what is your alucnhpad id?16:28
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* dims liking all the forward progress :)16:29
yuanying-altsdake: launchpad id is "ootsuka"16:29
nitin_diga: Can I also mention myself as assignee to the docker backend16:29
digaYes16:30
nitin_my launchpad id is nitinagarwal300616:30
digaok16:30
sdakeyuanying-alt do you mind taking all of the db stuff then?  Its probably all related16:30
yuanying-altOK.16:31
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nitin_diga: i can't see the pickme as assignee16:31
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diganitin: i'll check it after the call16:32
dguryanovI can help with some task this week16:32
nitin_no problem.16:32
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sdakeok folks looks like all the blueprints that we are t racked are assigned16:32
sdakeare there other blueprints folks would like to see developed that are not tracked?16:32
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Slowerlooks good for m-116:33
sdakewhat about the client ?16:33
sdakeachandra is working on that, has anyone tried it lately?16:33
Slowerhaha right16:33
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sdakeI think we are blocked on getting a rest api call from the rest client to the backend to the conductor16:34
sdakethat is our next critical step :)16:34
Sloweryeah16:34
digayes16:34
sdakedguryanov if you want o thelp on the client, that would rock16:34
sdakesince we are blocked on it atm16:34
sdakehttps://github.com/stackforge/python-magnumclient16:35
dguryanovOK, how can I contact achandra?16:35
sdake^^ for ot hers looking to unblock us16:35
sdaketry #openstack-containers on irc16:35
sdakeachanda is his nick sorry :)16:35
sdakethat project is in stackforge, so feel free to submit git reviews for it as well16:35
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sdakeor contribute elsewhere as you see fit :)16:35
sdakeok back on agenda :)16:36
dguryanovOK, thanks!16:36
sdake#topic initial mielstone deadline and objective16:36
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sdakewe pretty much went through this already, but we have not set a deadline for when these blueprints would come together16:36
sdakeimo, these blueprints make up a fine milestone #1 (assuming they work) and the client works16:36
dimsbefore christmas? :)16:37
Slowerthat's what I was thinking16:37
digayes16:37
sdakeyes16:37
Slowertry anyway :)16:37
sdake16th?16:37
sdakethat gives us 3 solid weeks of dev16:38
dims+116:38
Sloweror 19th..16:38
sdakeand 16-23 can be slip time if necessary16:38
dimsright16:38
Sloweryeah16:38
sdakelet sshoot for 16th and slip into 19th if we haver to16:38
sdakeok, again lets vote on the deadline since we are held accountable ;)16:38
* sdake flogs sdake16:38
dimslol16:39
sdakevote: deadline set for December 16th ,2014 for milestone #116:39
dims+1 for "shoot for 16th and slip into 19th"16:39
sdake+116:39
nitin_+116:39
yuanying-alt+116:39
diga+116:39
Slower+116:39
dguryanov+116:39
sdakeok well that looks pretty much like a + 1 * 8 to me :)16:39
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sdake#topic open discussion16:39
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sdakecool well I'm really pumped we are making great progress16:40
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sdakewe have 3 binaries written so far and now its just a  matter o ffilling them in16:40
sdake(and the cleint of course)16:40
digayes16:40
sdakeOn that note, any open discussion folks would like to have?16:40
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sdakeok well just a reminder we are pretty much blocked on client ->rest api comms atm -  I tried with curl and it wouldn't authenticate16:42
Slowerseems like there will be some API changing happening as we develop the backends especially16:42
sdakeso we need to sort that out - highest prtiority because i tblocks everyone's dev16:42
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sdakeslower ack I agree the apis are just initial stabs16:42
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sdakeok well thanks for coming folks16:43
Slowerwe'll have to work close to get that figured out.. especially trying to make it work for both k8s and docker16:43
sdakenext week we will also have a meeting - we can discuss christmsa downtime when adrian returns16:43
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Slowercool16:43
Slowergood meeting16:43
dimsthanks sdake!16:43
sdakeenjoy :)16:43
sdake#endmeeting16:43
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nitin_diga: can't we add two assignee's16:45
digaLet me check16:45
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digacan you come to Containers16:46
nitin_sure16:46
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serg_melikyan#startmeeting Murano17:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Nov 25 17:00:31 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is serg_melikyan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'murano'17:00
katyafervent2hi!17:00
serg_melikyanHi!17:00
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StanLaguno/17:01
serg_melikyananyone else from Murano team? :)17:01
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serg_melikyanLet's start folks17:02
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serg_melikyanOur agenda today is a little bit short, looks like we don't have questions to discuss today except our Action Items Review17:02
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serg_melikyanAny last minute agenda changes?17:03
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serg_melikyan#topic Action Items Review17:03
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katyafervent2ee can discuss templete specs17:03
katyafervent2*we17:04
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serg_melikyankatyafervent2: templete specs?17:04
katyafervent2templete for the specification17:04
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serg_melikyanOk17:05
serg_melikyanStanLagun: first action item is on you17:06
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serg_melikyanstan_lagun will insure that tickets about issues with re-deployment will be created17:06
StanLagunhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/murano/+bug/139410417:06
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1394104 in murano "Redeploy of failed environment is not possible" [High,In progress]17:06
dteselkinHi17:06
StanLagunKate filled it and I think there is some progress on it already17:07
serg_melikyanThis is only thing missing to have proper redeployment?17:07
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StanLagunAFAIK yes. But we will examine it once again once this bug is fixed17:08
serg_melikyanI see that katyafervent2 already proposed fix for that issue :)17:08
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katyafervent2yes, dashboard was the reason17:08
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serg_melikyanStanLagun, katyafervent2 thank you!17:08
katyafervent2and fix is already on review17:08
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serg_melikyan#action StanLagun, re-examine re-deployment feature after #1394104 will be merged17:09
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serg_melikyanSecond Action Items is also on StanLagun: stan_lagun, will create etherpad with list of changes planned in DSL for K17:11
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StanLagunhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MuranoPL-Kilo17:12
katyafervent2is it onky for muranoPL?17:12
StanLagunthis first part is strictly MuranoPL17:13
StanLagunthe second is related to MuranoPL17:13
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serg_melikyanI think we also need to think about refactoring core library (essentially second part of the etherpad)17:14
serg_melikyanStanLagun: what do you think?17:15
StanLagunagree, this also need to be done17:15
StanLagunbut thats another set of blueprints that nobody designed yet17:16
StanLagunthose in my list were already present in launchpad17:16
StanLagun(in second part)17:16
serg_melikyanThank you :)17:17
serg_melikyan#3 stan_lagun will move his document about versioning to the spec repo17:17
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StanLagunhaven't done this yet. BTW we didn't merged initial commit yet17:18
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serg_melikyan#action serg_melikyan, review and merge initial commit with template to the murano-specs17:19
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serg_melikyanStanLagun: you are right :( But you can start moving versioning spec despite fact that initial template is not yet merged17:20
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StanLagunI know. It was very busy week. Sorry17:21
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serg_melikyan#4  Serg, discuss policy guided fulfillment and create all necessary BP17:22
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smaes_webhi17:23
serg_melikyanMy fault, had no time to do that :(17:23
serg_melikyan#action serg_melikyan, discuss policy guided fulfillment and create all necessary BP17:24
serg_melikyan#5 serg_melikyan, fill all missing BP in Roadmap17:24
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serg_melikyanagain, this was really busy week ( Missed that too17:25
henarmunozHi17:25
serg_melikyanHi, henarmunoz!17:25
StanLagunHi Henar!17:26
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serg_melikyan#topic Open Discussion17:26
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serg_melikyanWe have more than 30 minutes for open discsussion17:27
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RadekI would like to ask about the template for BP (as an action item) - so all BP for Murano shall use it - is it correct?17:29
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serg_melikyanNot exactly - this template for specifications, not a for BP17:30
Radekok17:30
serg_melikyanBP may be created in launchpad.net/murano17:30
StanLagunbut eventually all BPs should get their specs17:30
RadekI saw that some specification just points to launchpad or etherpad - is it ok?17:30
serg_melikyancorrect17:30
Radekok :-)17:31
serg_melikyanWe are moving all specification from etherpads to the murano-specs17:31
StanLagunI think it will point to githun17:31
StanLagun*github17:31
Radekok, thanks17:31
StanLagunI'd also like to ask everyone to review existing commits as we have some that are hanging in review for months17:33
Radekbtw if you are mentioning reviews & commits - who are the reviewers for Murano?17:34
StanLagunAnd there are some major ones like Keystone trusts or Nova network support that need careful review17:34
StanLagunanyone can review17:34
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StanLagunthere are core reviewers group that has permissions to merge (say +2) commits17:35
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StanLagunothers can say +1 or -117:35
serg_melikyanYou just need to register, and you can review any patches17:35
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Radekok. thanks17:35
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serg_melikyanOk, if no questions let's finish early :)17:46
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serg_melikyan#endmeeting17:46
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devkulkarni#startmeeting Solum Team Meeting22:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Nov 25 22:00:10 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is devkulkarni. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.22:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.22:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting'22:00
devkulkarni#topic roll call22:00
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devkulkarnidevdatta kulkarni22:00
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datsun180bed cranford22:00
james_lijames li22:01
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devkulkarni#link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum22:02
devkulkarni#topic Announcements22:02
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devkulkarniI don't have any announcements22:02
devkulkarnijames_li, datsun180b: how about you?22:02
datsun180bnothing important22:03
devkulkarniokay, then we can move to the next topic22:03
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devkulkarni#topic review action items22:03
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devkulkarniACTION: dimtruck to follow up on bugs 1359516 and investigate for any specific issues in replacing simple_server with mod_wsgi22:03
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1359516 in solum "Needs to handle http header 'X-Forwarded-Proto'" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135951622:03
devkulkarniI think dimtruck is still working on this.22:04
devkulkarniwe can carry it forward22:04
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devkulkarni#action dimtruck to follow up on bugs 1359516 and investigate for any specific issues in replacing simple_server with mod_wsgi22:04
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devkulkarninext one is for dimtruck as well22:04
devkulkarnidimtruck to report back results of multi-node devstack with solum setup22:04
devkulkarniI think it is complete22:04
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devkulkarnilets just carry it forward so that dimtruck can comment on it in the next meeting22:05
devkulkarni#action dimtruck to report back results of multi-node devstack with solum setup22:05
datsun180bsounds good22:05
devkulkarninext one is for adrian_otto22:05
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devkulkarniI haven't seen the Juno release yet.22:05
devkulkarniBut I know adrian was going to cut it sometime soon.22:06
devkulkarniLets carry that forward as well22:06
devkulkarni#action adrian_otto to cut the final Juno release22:06
devkulkarnithat completes the action items22:06
devkulkarnimoving on to the next topic22:06
devkulkarni#topic blueprint/task review22:06
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devkulkarniare there any specific patches/blueprints/tasks that we should look at together?22:07
datsun180bravi's shellcode refactors need our eyes22:07
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devkulkarni+1 datsun180b22:07
devkulkarniI have looked at it.22:08
devkulkarnicould you and james_li look at it as well22:08
datsun180b#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132381/5 is the head22:08
james_lisure!22:08
devkulkarnithanks for the link @datsun180b22:08
devkulkarnithanks james_li22:08
devkulkarniare there any other patches that need our attention?22:08
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devkulkarniif not, lets move on to the next topic22:09
devkulkarni#topic open discussion22:09
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devkulkarnilooks like there is nothing specific to discuss.22:11
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datsun180bi bet it'll pick up next week22:11
devkulkarniwe can end the meeting early.. thoughts?22:11
datsun180bcall it22:11
devkulkarnisounds good.22:12
devkulkarni#endmeeting22:12
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openstackMeeting ended Tue Nov 25 22:12:10 2014 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)22:12
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