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| tchaypo | \O | 07:02 |
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| StevenK | o/ | 07:03 |
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| tchaypo | ... | 07:04 |
| Guest86578 | o/ | 07:04 |
| tchaypo | oh. | 07:04 |
| Guest86578 | oh | 07:04 |
| Guest86578 | :/ | 07:04 |
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| * tchaypo looks at calendar and sees that the meeting is now 7pm | 07:04 | |
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| d0ugal | o/ | 07:05 |
| StevenK | tchaypo: Oh, blah | 07:05 |
| tchaypo | so I'll jut be going away for another hour.. | 07:05 |
| tchaypo | very blah. | 07:05 |
| d0ugal | Time for two meetings! | 07:05 |
| tchaypo | I'm going to eat some cheese. | 07:06 |
| d0ugal | Good plan. | 07:06 |
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| tchaypo | and a pear | 07:07 |
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| d0ugal | o/ | 08:00 |
| shadower | hullo | 08:00 |
| shadower | #startmeeting tripleo | 08:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 15 08:01:12 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shadower. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 08:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 08:01 |
| marios_ | ο/ | 08:01 |
| * shadower waits a bit to make sure it's not just d0ugal and marios_ | 08:01 | |
| d0ugal | heh, that would make for a quick meeting | 08:02 |
| StevenK | o/ | 08:02 |
| shadower | yup | 08:02 |
| tchaypo | \o | 08:02 |
| tchaypo | An hour ago it was just StevenK and I | 08:02 |
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| shadower | everyone else knew thi right time :-) | 08:02 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 08:03 |
| shadower | looks like we have a couple of one-off items | 08:03 |
| d0ugal | tchaypo: and me! | 08:03 |
| shadower | #topic one-off agenda items | 08:03 |
| shadower | * CI x86 (current) or move to x86_64? | 08:03 |
| shadower | * Need for OSLO liason? (SpamapS) | 08:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "one-off agenda items (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 08:03 | |
| StevenK | shadower: Australia did a DST change | 08:03 |
| StevenK | Well, parts of it did | 08:04 |
| shadower | lol | 08:04 |
| GheRivero | hah | 08:04 |
| shadower | DST should die | 08:04 |
| d0ugal | +1 | 08:04 |
| GheRivero | +1 | 08:04 |
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| shadower | anyway | 08:04 |
| tchaypo | +1 | 08:04 |
| shadower | I don't know who proposed the CI x86 vs. 64 item | 08:04 |
| shadower | are you here? | 08:04 |
| tchaypo | it was not i | 08:05 |
| shadower | derekh doesn't seem to be here either | 08:06 |
| shadower | he might have knownn about it, let's just skip it then | 08:06 |
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| shadower | haha | 08:06 |
| shadower | derekh: do you know anything about the "CI x86 (current) or move to x86_64?" one-off agenda item someone put on the wiki? | 08:06 |
| derekh | shadower: ahh, I put that there a few weeks ago, will remove it, we've discussed it | 08:07 |
| shadower | oh okay | 08:07 |
| shadower | moving on, then | 08:08 |
| shadower | Need for OSLO liason? (SpamapS) | 08:08 |
| * shadower worries this may be in the same boat as this is not a god time for SpamapS | 08:08 | |
| shadower | good even | 08:08 |
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| GheRivero | this is going to be a quick meeting | 08:08 |
| StevenK | GheRivero: Best kind! | 08:09 |
| GheRivero | do we have any volunteer to be the liaison? | 08:09 |
| d0ugal | :) | 08:09 |
| shadower | do we even need one? | 08:09 |
| tchaypo | I did talk to him about this last week | 08:09 |
| tchaypo | That's exactly what I said | 08:09 |
| GheRivero | we should | 08:09 |
| GheRivero | there are some oslo dependencies, few, but some | 08:10 |
| derekh | isn't bnemec an oslo core? | 08:10 |
| d0ugal | The Tuskar code has a bunch too | 08:10 |
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| StevenK | derekh: Yup | 08:11 |
| GheRivero | I'm the liaison for Ironic, son I can take care of it, know the procedure | 08:11 |
| GheRivero | or bnemec :) | 08:11 |
| shadower | GheRivero: will you talk to SpamapS and bnemec then please? | 08:12 |
| GheRivero | sure, no problem | 08:12 |
| tchaypo | This feels like it needs a hash-action to record it | 08:12 |
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| shadower | #info GheRivero to talk to SpamapS about the oslo liaison | 08:13 |
| GheRivero | also, QA and doc teams are looking for liaisons.... | 08:13 |
| GheRivero | should be added to the agenda for tne next meeting | 08:14 |
| tchaypo | Has there been a thread that I missed? | 08:14 |
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| GheRivero | tchaypo: if thread is a single mail, yes | 08:15 |
| shadower | haha | 08:15 |
| shadower | maybe we could do that on the ML? We'll be able to reach the entire team that way | 08:15 |
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| GheRivero | http://osdir.com/ml/openstack-dev/2014-10/msg00842.html | 08:16 |
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| shadower | we're 17 minutes in, let's move onto our regular agenda | 08:17 |
| GheRivero | bnemec appears as a TripleO liaison, maybe he just appointed herself as that ( \o/) | 08:17 |
| shadower | #topic agenda | 08:17 |
| shadower | * bugs | 08:17 |
| shadower | * reviews | 08:17 |
| shadower | * Projects needing releases | 08:17 |
| shadower | * CD Cloud status | 08:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 08:17 | |
| shadower | * CI | 08:17 |
| shadower | * Tuskar | 08:17 |
| shadower | * Specs | 08:17 |
| shadower | * open discussion | 08:17 |
| shadower | #topic bugs | 08:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 08:17 | |
| shadower | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 08:18 |
| shadower | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/ | 08:18 |
| shadower | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-refresh-config | 08:18 |
| shadower | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config | 08:18 |
| shadower | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config | 08:18 |
| shadower | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-cloud-config | 08:18 |
| shadower | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar | 08:18 |
| shadower | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tuskarclient | 08:18 |
| shadower | we have one critical bug | 08:18 |
| shadower | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1374626 | 08:18 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1374626 in tripleo "UIDs of data-owning users might change between deployed images" [Critical,Triaged] | 08:18 |
| tchaypo | I thought spamaps was working on that | 08:18 |
| shadower | it was discussed last week and on the mailing list. SpamapS is assigned to it | 08:18 |
| shadower | #topic reviews | 08:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reviews (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 08:19 | |
| shadower | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-openreviews.html | 08:19 |
| shadower | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-30.txt | 08:19 |
| shadower | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-90.txt | 08:19 |
| shadower | anyone wants to add anything? | 08:21 |
| marios_ | looks like its better no? | 08:22 |
| marios_ | (time wise) | 08:22 |
| shadower | where's the part we're looking at again? | 08:22 |
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| marios_ | 3rd qrtile w/out -1/-2 i believe | 08:23 |
| marios_ | sec | 08:23 |
| tchaypo | Queue growth in the last 30 days: 24 | 08:23 |
| tchaypo | Is what I've been paying attention to | 08:24 |
| marios_ | 19:18:11 <tchaypo> 3rd quartile wait time: 19 days, 7 hours, 13 minutes (last week) | 08:24 |
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| marios_ | perhaps worth noting that a few core reviewers have slipped (myself including) below the 60/month average we expect of core | 08:25 |
| marios_ | (included) | 08:25 |
| tchaypo | Down to just 8 days for the 3rd quartile stat now | 08:26 |
| shadower | #topic Projects needing releases | 08:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Projects needing releases (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 08:27 | |
| shadower | jdob asked me to volunteer him | 08:27 |
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| shadower | #info jdob will release the world | 08:27 |
| marios_ | shadower: cool, can i bring up sthing here about releases? | 08:27 |
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| shadower | marios_: go ahead | 08:27 |
| marios_ | shadower: when doing a release, I have always incremented the .patch... for some projects we are reaching double numbers (like 33) | 08:28 |
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| marios_ | shadower: my thought process is 'whoever has a vested interest/leading that project should let me know when/if they need something different to happen | 08:28 |
| marios_ | ' | 08:28 |
| tchaypo | Is this a written part of the process? | 08:29 |
| marios_ | shadower: i thought it may be worth bringing up, do people agree? should we make it a thing. somehow | 08:29 |
| tchaypo | Do others do the same? | 08:29 |
| marios_ | sec | 08:29 |
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| marios_ | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TripleO/ReleaseManagement | 08:29 |
| marios_ | (Versioning Scheme) | 08:29 |
| shadower | well we're following semver (a bit stricter since we're usually on 0.x.x where anything goes as far as semver is concerned) | 08:29 |
| shadower | so if we've extended the API, we increase the minor versiosn | 08:30 |
| shadower | otherwise it's a patch increase | 08:30 |
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| marios_ | tchaypo: afaik /have seen, yes this is what people do for a release | 08:30 |
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| marios_ | shadower: my point wasn't so much to have a discussion about why/when we increment minor | 08:30 |
| shadower | ok sorry | 08:30 |
| marios_ | shadower: my question was 'who is responsible for letting release_person know that they need minor or even major bumped' | 08:31 |
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| shadower | marios_: the release person should go through the commits and figure it out | 08:31 |
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| shadower | at least that's what I've been doing | 08:31 |
| marios_ | shadower: yeah. so this places quite a burden on the release person (like 10 projects now). also, it's not always so clear. | 08:32 |
| shadower | right | 08:32 |
| tchaypo | For any projects above 1.0 the person would need to figure out the backwards-compatibility | 08:32 |
| shadower | and a correction from what I said earlier, we increase the minor version only when we break back compatibility | 08:32 |
| StevenK | Well, once we move to pbr's semver, it should become very easy | 08:32 |
| StevenK | Since the commit messages themselves tell how the version should change | 08:33 |
| shadower | StevenK: how does that work? | 08:33 |
| tchaypo | Is that something we can start doing already? | 08:33 |
| StevenK | shadower: lifeless gave a talk about it -- there are comments you put in the commit message, think things like 'DocImpact' except its like 'ApiBreak' | 08:34 |
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| StevenK | And then semver knows what they each correlate too | 08:34 |
| shadower | right | 08:34 |
| tchaypo | If this makes it automatable it sounds like it should be easy for humans too? | 08:35 |
| tchaypo | Well, helpful at least | 08:35 |
| shadower | yeah | 08:35 |
| shadower | anyone want to bring that up on the ml? | 08:35 |
| marios_ | StevenK: that sounds perfect | 08:35 |
| shadower | on the few occasions we have had a backwards-incompatible change, it was usually noted in the commit msg but it'd be good to formalise that process | 08:37 |
| StevenK | Right. I'm looking forward to the pbr's changes being ready, since then it just happens for us | 08:37 |
| StevenK | And it moves the onus onto the people in the trenches writing the code and the reviewers | 08:37 |
| marios_ | shadower: sure. so i'm happy the discussion was had. i don't really expect full consensus etc. i thought the point was just worth making as it occurs to me whenever i release | 08:38 |
| marios_ | and i keep forgetting to bring it up | 08:38 |
| shadower | marios_: right. It would be good to bring to everyone's attention | 08:39 |
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| shadower | marios_: when we move to a 1. release, the number of patch versions will prolly go down (and the number of minor will skyrocket) | 08:39 |
| shadower | if we stick to weekly releases | 08:40 |
| shadower | moving on? | 08:40 |
| marios_ | +1 | 08:40 |
| StevenK | Yeah, +1 | 08:40 |
| shadower | #topic CD Cloud status | 08:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CD Cloud status (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 08:40 | |
| lsmola | o/ | 08:40 |
| shadower | tchaypo? | 08:41 |
| shadower | derekh? | 08:41 |
| tchaypo | I'm busy trying to get correct mac addresses doe 80 of the machines in hp2 | 08:41 |
| tchaypo | I've discovered the list I had was wrong, hence they don't pxe | 08:41 |
| tchaypo | So I expect much progress ro report next week | 08:41 |
| derekh | rh1 == ok | 08:42 |
| derekh | hp1 waiting to be added back https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126513/ | 08:42 |
| shadower | cool, thanks | 08:42 |
| shadower | #topic CI | 08:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 08:43 | |
| derekh | Things have been quite on the CI front for the last week, | 08:43 |
| shadower | cool | 08:44 |
| shadower | #topic Tuskar | 08:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tuskar (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 08:44 | |
| shadower | d0ugal? | 08:44 |
| d0ugal | Not much to report. | 08:45 |
| d0ugal | We are basically sorting out loose ends for Juno at this point. | 08:45 |
| shadower | great | 08:45 |
| shadower | #topic Specs | 08:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 08:45 | |
| marios_ | how do we feel about landing reviews when the spec is not yet merged? | 08:46 |
| marios_ | (may be offtopic, feel free to bump to open-discussion shadower ) | 08:46 |
| StevenK | marios_: Bring it up on the list | 08:47 |
| tchaypo | Some things are useful even if the spec doesn't land | 08:47 |
| shadower | yea | 08:47 |
| GheRivero | depends the reason why it hasn't landed: minor tweaks or deep discussions | 08:47 |
| StevenK | Right | 08:47 |
| shadower | yep | 08:47 |
| marios_ | so the reason i ask is because in neutron, that's how it's done (bug report or spec linked to code review,or it doesn't land) | 08:47 |
| marios_ | and i came across an image-elements change where this is the case | 08:48 |
| marios_ | (spec still in review but code could well land before spec merges). | 08:48 |
| shadower | so that's something which needs the team's concensus -> ML | 08:48 |
| shadower | but I don't think we need to be that strict | 08:48 |
| shadower | fyi I've dusted off the old "remove merge.py" spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97939/ and we now have template patches in gerrit | 08:49 |
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| shadower | #topic open discussion | 08:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 08:49 | |
| tchaypo | Woo | 08:49 |
| * marios_ all off-topic discussioned out | 08:51 | |
| shadower | okay | 08:52 |
| shadower | #endmeeting | 08:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 08:52 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 15 08:52:39 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-10-15-08.01.html | 08:52 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-10-15-08.01.txt | 08:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-10-15-08.01.log.html | 08:52 |
| shadower | thanks everyone! | 08:52 |
| tchaypo | Woo | 08:52 |
| d0ugal | thanks shadower | 08:53 |
| StevenK | Woot! | 08:54 |
| StevenK | Thanks guys | 08:54 |
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| Swami | Rajeev: hi | 15:00 |
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| Rajeev | Swami: Hi | 15:00 |
| Swami | pc_m:hi | 15:00 |
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| pc_m | Swami: hi | 15:00 |
| Swami | hi dvr folks | 15:00 |
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| Swami | mrmsith: welcome back | 15:01 |
| mrmsith | thanks | 15:01 |
| Swami | markmcclain: hi | 15:01 |
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| markmcclain | Swami: hi | 15:01 |
| Swami | emagana: hi | 15:01 |
| Swami | #startmeeting distributed-virtual-router | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 15 15:01:54 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Swami. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: distributed-virtual-router)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'distributed_virtual_router' | 15:01 |
| emagana | Swami: Hi | 15:02 |
| Swami | #info Juno RC2 was released last week | 15:02 |
| Swami | Hope fully this will be the final build for Juno, unless any critical errors are seen | 15:02 |
| Swami | Testers please use the RC2 build for testing. | 15:03 |
| Rajeev | keep our fingers crossed | 15:03 |
| Swami | #topic Bugs | 15:03 |
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| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1377241 | 15:03 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1377241 in neutron "Lock wait timeout on delete port for DVR" [High,In progress] | 15:03 |
| Swami | This is one of the bugs that we have not fully resolved. | 15:04 |
| Swami | The current patch posted by Kevin seems to fix it in the current state, but when any changes are made to the current code, I could see the lockwait timeout pops again. | 15:05 |
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| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/127129 | 15:05 |
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| Swami | This is the patch posted by Kevin and it addresses spliting the db transaction from the rpc call. | 15:06 |
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| Swami | But the main issue that we are having with this lockwait timeout issue is two actions "router-interface-delete" and "router-gateway-clear" both trying to call 'delete_csnat_router_interface" and at some point, they are waiting to delete the same port and it gets into a lockwait scenario. | 15:07 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: hi | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: hi | 15:07 |
| Rajeev | Swami: this is completely plugin side -- right ? | 15:08 |
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| Swami | Rajeev: is this has nothing to do with agent. | 15:08 |
| Swami | this is on the plugin db side. | 15:08 |
| mrmsith | there has been some discussion on using a semaphore right? | 15:08 |
| Rajeev | Swami: that is what I thought | 15:08 |
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| Swami | mrmsith: yes, but I got some review comments that we should find the root cause and not use the semaphore. | 15:09 |
| mrmsith | huh | 15:09 |
| Swami | As I see from the traces and logs it is definitely two actions trying to acquire a single resource and it should be solved by a lock. | 15:09 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: do you have any other ideas of fixing such problems without using a lock | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: generally, the problem is that one resource acquires the lock and yields while holding the lock. Do you know which operation first gets the lock? | 15:10 |
| Swami | It is the delete_port that is being called from the "router_gateway_clear" through delete_csnat_router_interface . This is holding the lock for deleting all the csnat_ports. | 15:11 |
| Swami | While it has the lock the router_interface_delete also comes in and tries to delete the same port. | 15:12 |
| Swami | This is when you issue back to back commands such as router_interface_delete ( we have three commands) and then a gateway-clear. | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | I think what armax is looking for is to look at that first delete_port to avoid holding the lock and yielding. Does the bug have enough detail in it to follow the code path? | 15:13 |
| Swami | Yes, I have uploaded a document with the neutron.log | 15:14 |
| Swami | But I think I also sent out an email with all the log files, db sql log and the neutron.log to you since those files where huge. | 15:15 |
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| Swami | carl_baldwin: please take a look at it and let me know if you need more information. | 15:16 |
| carl_baldwin | I will take a look. I joined late, could you remind me what the bug url is? | 15:17 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1377241 | 15:17 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1377241 in neutron "Lock wait timeout on delete port for DVR" [High,In progress] | 15:17 |
| carl_baldwin | Thanks | 15:17 |
| Swami | Let us move on to the next bug. | 15:18 |
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| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1378468 | 15:18 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1378468 in neutron "DBDuplicateError found sometimes when router_interface_delete issued with DVR" [Medium,In progress] | 15:18 |
| Swami | This bug mentioned above is a result of the timing issues. | 15:18 |
| Swami | As per our previous discussion, when the router_interface_delete and router_gateway_clear are issued back to back, sometimes while the router_interface_delete is stil processing the router_gateway_clear removes the snat_binding for the node. | 15:20 |
| Swami | Then later when a router_interface_delete comes in instead of seeing the gw_port to None, it still sees the gw_port to be there and then tries to rebing the snat to the node and causes the DBDuplicateError. | 15:20 |
| Swami | s/rebing/rebind | 15:21 |
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| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/126793 | 15:22 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: you have already provided your comments on this patch. | 15:23 |
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| carl_baldwin | Swami: are there responses that I haven’t seen? | 15:23 |
| Swami | There are two things in this patch, one is to first prevent the scheduler to call "schedule_snat" when there is a router_interface_action, the other one is to check the binding first again in the "bind_snat_router" and then return if it already has one. | 15:24 |
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| Swami | carl_baldwin: nothing on this patch. | 15:24 |
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| carl_baldwin | I’ll watch for them. | 15:25 |
| Swami | But just wanted to confirm, that handling it through "hints" is it still valid. | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | That was armax’s comment but I would also like to know if there is a better solution. | 15:26 |
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| Swami | carl_baldwin: yes that's what I am trying to figure out. | 15:27 |
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| Swami | But I could not find a right solution so far. | 15:28 |
| Swami | Let me know if you have any thoughts on this. | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: I will | 15:28 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: thanks | 15:29 |
| Swami | Rajeev: hi | 15:29 |
| Swami | are you still here | 15:29 |
| Rajeev | Swami: Hi | 15:29 |
| Swami | haleyb: hi | 15:30 |
| Rajeev | Swami: FYI: Saw the re-occurrence of the race condition in l_3 processing floating ips. | 15:30 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1376325 | 15:30 |
| Rajeev | filed defect 1381238 | 15:30 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1376325 in neutron "Cannot enable DVR and IPv6 simultaneously" [Medium,New] | 15:30 |
| Swami | Rajeev: haleyb : This is regarding the IPv6 and dvr | 15:31 |
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| Swami | haleyb: did you get any chance to investigate further on the IPv6 changes for dvr, based on our last weeks meeting. | 15:31 |
| Rajeev | Swami: ok, will need to take a look at it | 15:31 |
| Rajeev | is this for East west only ? | 15:32 |
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| Swami | take a look at the bug description | 15:32 |
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| Swami | I am not sure, I think it is for North-South and not for east-west | 15:33 |
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| Swami | may be haleyb can update you on this and he is the one who filed this bug. | 15:33 |
| Swami | armax: hi | 15:33 |
| armax | Swami: hi | 15:34 |
| Rajeev | Swami: ok, if there is a doc that lists out IPv6 capabilities of legacy router for North south, it will be real helpful | 15:34 |
| Swami | Rajeev: I don't think there is an official doc, but we can take a look at the IPv6 spec and start from there. | 15:35 |
| Rajeev | IPv6 is a big area, that we need to enable. Knowing what is there and what is not will help | 15:35 |
| Swami | But if we need more information we can check with markmcclain on this IPv6 support. | 15:35 |
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| Rajeev | Swami: sure, thanks. | 15:35 |
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| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1374473 | 15:36 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1374473 in neutron "500 error on router-gateway-set for DVR on second external network" [High,In progress] | 15:36 |
| Swami | This bug stated above is related to having support for multiple external networks. | 15:37 |
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| Swami | Right now when we add a second external network, there is TRACE with DBDuplicateError since it is trying to reschedule and trying to bind to the same node. | 15:37 |
| Swami | I am not sure about the effort required to fix this one for the multiple external networks, but we need to fix it, and until we fix, we need to have the documentation that states, dvr does not support multiple external networks. | 15:39 |
| Swami | armax: do you have anything else on the bugs | 15:40 |
| armax | not from me | 15:41 |
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| Swami | We also have a bug that is related to HA and DVR not working right now. | 15:42 |
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| Swami | So in order to work on this with the HA team sylvain and amuller I have created a wiki to start logging notes in there so that it will be usefull for both teams. | 15:43 |
| Swami | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/DVR/ServiceNode-HA | 15:43 |
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| Swami | #topic Open Discussions | 15:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussions (Meeting topic: distributed-virtual-router)" | 15:44 | |
| Swami | Do you have anything else to discuss | 15:44 |
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| Swami | If there are no other items to discuss we can end the session. | 15:45 |
| Swami | Thanks everyone for joining the meeting. | 15:45 |
| Swami | see you all next week. | 15:46 |
| Swami | #endmeeting | 15:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:46 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 15 15:46:06 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:46 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-10-15-15.01.html | 15:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-10-15-15.01.txt | 15:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-10-15-15.01.log.html | 15:46 |
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| rkukura | hi ML2’ers! | 16:01 |
| shivharis | hi | 16:01 |
| Sukhdev | Hello | 16:01 |
| rcurran | hi | 16:01 |
| yalei | hi | 16:01 |
| rkukura | lets wait a moment for people to join | 16:02 |
| romilg | Hi All | 16:02 |
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| yamahata | hi | 16:02 |
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| absubram__ | hi | 16:03 |
| rkukura | amotoki: are you here for ML2? | 16:03 |
| amotoki | here but in another meeting now | 16:04 |
| rkukura | ok | 16:04 |
| rkukura | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 15 16:05:00 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rkukura. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:05 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:05 |
| rkukura | #topic: Agenda | 16:05 |
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| rkukura | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Agenda | 16:05 |
| rkukura | Does anyone want to add anything to the agenda? | 16:05 |
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| rkukura | Ok, lets proceed | 16:06 |
| rkukura | #topic Announcements | 16:06 |
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| rkukura | Juno release is scheduled for later this week | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev | I think it is happening tomorrow | 16:07 |
| rkukura | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Juno#OpenStack_Network_Service_.28Neutron.29 | 16:07 |
| rkukura | Several new ML2 drivers are mentioned as featured content! | 16:07 |
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| rkukura | Now that Juno is just about out the door, our focus shifts to blueprints, specs, and summit preparation | 16:08 |
| pgpus | good | 16:08 |
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| rkukura | We should try to get blueprints into review, and ideally approved, before the summit, so the summit can focus on the areas where we don’t have consensus before the summit | 16:09 |
| rkukura | Any other announcements? | 16:09 |
| rkukura | #topic Action Items | 16:10 |
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| rkukura | There were no recorded action items from last week | 16:10 |
| rkukura | #topic Bugs/Reviews | 16:10 |
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| rkukura | shivharis: | 16:10 |
| shivharis | hi | 16:10 |
| shivharis | I need to get to manishg's bugs that needed help.. | 16:11 |
| shivharis | the patch sets are: | 16:11 |
| shivharis | https://review.openstack.org/126360 | 16:11 |
| manishg | shivharis: thanks! | 16:12 |
| shivharis | manishg: u are covered on this right, or do u still need help | 16:12 |
| pgpus | Robert, Are there any specific plug-ins proposed for opnfv in Neutron ML2? | 16:12 |
| shivharis | manishg:? | 16:13 |
| manishg | shivharis: the discussion is going elsewhere on that. everyone finally settled … but I need to get some more detail from paul michali | 16:13 |
| rkukura | pgpus: Lets cover that under the Kilo planning topic | 16:13 |
| manishg | shivharis: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124917/ | 16:13 |
| pgpus | ok | 16:13 |
| manishg | this one has a couple of +1 but sitting there for a week. | 16:14 |
| shivharis | so i take it you are good on the first one. | 16:14 |
| shivharis | next:another, https://review.openstack.org/124917 | 16:14 |
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| rkukura | I’ll try to review both these | 16:14 |
| manishg | rkukura: thanks ! | 16:14 |
| shivharis | folks need to get this reviewed, thanks for any help | 16:14 |
| Sukhdev | manishg: it is tagged for K1 - so, we are good there | 16:14 |
| shivharis | rkukura: thx | 16:14 |
| shivharis | one more | 16:14 |
| shivharis | one more reviewer needed here | 16:14 |
| shivharis | anyone? | 16:15 |
| manishg | Sukhdev: yes, not critical. | 16:15 |
| shivharis | Ok, moving on | 16:15 |
| romilg | Also I request to close this https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1224978 asap ...I have to run behind the HEAD https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103546/ | 16:15 |
| manishg | shivharis: one question about a bug. | 16:15 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1224978 in neutron "port binding on multi segment networks could lead to agent misconfiguration" [Medium,In progress] | 16:15 |
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| shivharis | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1377346 | 16:16 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1377346 in neutron "ML2: Invalid unit test case" [Medium,In progress] | 16:16 |
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| shivharis | manishg: we can close this one? | 16:16 |
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| manishg | shivharis: I believe romilg said he fixed it as part of another patch. | 16:16 |
| shivharis | romilg: we'll get to the one u mentioned | 16:16 |
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| manishg | we can close if covered. I'll take a look at the patch today. | 16:17 |
| romilg | yeah it is part of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103546/ | 16:17 |
| shivharis | so can we close that | 16:17 |
| rkukura | romilg: I’ll review the multi-segment patch - want to see how it fits with the HPB changes I’m planning | 16:17 |
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| manishg | shivharis: yes, thanks. | 16:17 |
| romilg | thanks :) | 16:17 |
| manishg | shivharis: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1264608 - sorry to bring l2 agent related bug. | 16:18 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1264608 in neutron "openvswitch agent plugin should execute batched ovs-vsctl CLI statements on __init__()" [Medium,Triaged] | 16:18 |
| manishg | but this is marked for later due to dependency on soft-restart. which is delayed due to modular L2 agent work. | 16:18 |
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| manishg | but is there any ETA on modular L2 agent ? I know we are going to discuss in Paris. | 16:18 |
| manishg | but seems like there is still quite a bit of work left. If the decision is to not touch the agents then it's okay. | 16:19 |
| shivharis | romilg: why can u not close the bug, not sure i understood your point | 16:19 |
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| rkukura | manishg: What happened with the OVS agent work otherwiseguy was doing during Juno? This seems related. | 16:20 |
| shivharis | manishg: can we take things in order, please hold your thoughts for a moment | 16:20 |
| shivharis | romilg: ? | 16:20 |
| manishg | shivharis: apologies. will wait till later. | 16:20 |
| romilg | one sec | 16:20 |
| romilg | My point is the following patch set https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103546/ will close both the bugs 1224978 and 1377346 | 16:22 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1224978 in neutron "port binding on multi segment networks could lead to agent misconfiguration" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1224978 | 16:22 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1377346 in neutron "ML2: Invalid unit test case" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1377346 | 16:22 |
| romilg | so we need core reviewer to give +2 | 16:22 |
| romilg | I has been reviewed by other reviewer so many time and had +1's | 16:22 |
| shivharis | rkukura: can you please look into this | 16:23 |
| shivharis | I will also review this | 16:23 |
| rkukura | shivharis: yes | 16:23 |
| shivharis | Sukhdev: can you also please spend some time on this one | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki: can you look at this as well? | 16:24 |
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| shivharis | Any other, (manishg?) | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: will do | 16:24 |
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| manishg | shivharis: re- bugs related to agents. | 16:25 |
| romilg | Here is another bug that I completed https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1179223 | 16:25 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1179223 in neutron "Retired GRE and VXLAN tunnels persists in neutron db" [High,In progress] | 16:25 |
| manishg | I believe we want to push them out until modular L2 agent is out there right? | 16:25 |
| shivharis | rkukura: ml2 agent in the works? we will discuss in summit topics | 16:26 |
| shivharis | moving on.. | 16:26 |
| manishg | but is there ETA for that? if not, should there be any attempt to fix these? that was the question I wanted to clarify related to the bugs. | 16:26 |
| manishg | shivharis: ok, thanks. will talk at summit. | 16:26 |
| shivharis | We have been collecting a lot of stale bugs, I am going to start pinging owners to this cleared | 16:27 |
| rkukura | manishg: I’m not sure we want to delay fixes to the agents as long as they remain relevant if/when we have a plan for modular agent | 16:27 |
| Sukhdev | manishg: I think we should not hold off fixes waiting for ML2 agent, what do you think rkukura ? | 16:27 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: agree | 16:27 |
| rkukura | shivharis: any more bugs to discuss? | 16:28 |
| shivharis | One more point | 16:28 |
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| manishg | rkukura: ok, will bring it up in open discussion. | 16:28 |
| shivharis | If you are an owner of a bug please add a comment, i actually look at all the comments, please do so | 16:28 |
| shivharis | thats all | 16:28 |
| rkukura | I’ll add that, along with spec and summit planning, now is a great time to be squashing bugs | 16:29 |
| rkukura | #topic Specs | 16:29 |
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| rkukura | Lets keep updating https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Tracking_ML2_Subgroup_Reviews#Under_Review as we move specs to kilo and/or add new ones | 16:30 |
| rkukura | #topic Kilo Design Summit | 16:30 |
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| rkukura | So overall neutron design summit is in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-neutron-summit-topics, but I’m not sure what the process is to assign sessions | 16:31 |
| rkukura | So we’ve been discussing possible Kilo themes for ML2 here, with the intent to see which ones really need time at the summit | 16:31 |
| rkukura | I’ve moved the list of ideas from the meeting agenda to an etherpad | 16:32 |
| rkukura | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ML2_Kilo_Themes | 16:32 |
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| rkukura | Hopefully this will let us more easily collaborate both during and between the weekly ML2 meetings | 16:32 |
| pgpus | ok | 16:33 |
| manishg | rkukura: +1 | 16:33 |
| Sukhdev | We should discuss - for which topics it makes sense to request a session at the summit | 16:33 |
| rkukura | Overall, we need to get some sort of agreement on what we think the major community goals are for ML2 in the Kilo cycle | 16:33 |
| rkukura | Then make sure we are getting BPs and specs into review for them. | 16:33 |
| pgpus | are we starting with DVR support discussions now? | 16:34 |
| rkukura | If we don’t have enough consensus to do that, but think its important, we’ll ask for a session | 16:34 |
| rkukura | I think we had some discussion on DVR and HPB last week, so maybe should start with backend sync / error handling topic | 16:35 |
| rkukura | I also added an item on TaskFlow, which might be related to that, or might be separate | 16:35 |
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| otherwiseguy | rkukura: still working on OVS stuff. Will try to push an updated patch with some tests today or tomorrow. | 16:35 |
| manishg | otherwiseguy: link please. | 16:36 |
| pgpus | Ok I will look at past meetings to synch up with all before summit...thx | 16:37 |
| otherwiseguy | manishg: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/114050/ | 16:37 |
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| manishg | otherwiseguy: thanks. | 16:37 |
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| rkukura | sorry - had an interruption | 16:38 |
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| rkukura | I think at least me, Sukhdev, and manishg are looking into the backend sync and also TaskFlow. | 16:38 |
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| rkukura | I put some of the items from some emails into the etherpad | 16:39 |
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| rkukura | Do we need disussion of this here? Or do we agree its relatively high priority for kilo? | 16:39 |
| manishg | rkukura: ack. I'm trying to understand the issue, and if taskflow works there, etc. and if not, work with Sukhdev on other solutions. | 16:40 |
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| rkukura | So do we think we can have an agreed approach prior to the summit, or will we likely need to work on this at the summit? | 16:40 |
| manishg | rkukura: I think something like taskflow is perhaps needed in some form for a decent error recovery and something that can be persistent (recover after restart). So looks good to me. | 16:40 |
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| manishg | rkukura: we have two weeks. we can atleast undersand the issues involved and present them in meeting. | 16:41 |
| rkukura | My feeling is that we will make some progress on understanding TaskFlow and maybe some other options for sync/recovery, but will need to discuss and choose approaches at summit. | 16:41 |
| shivharis | rkukura: we have been on this topic several times, we need to make decisions, I suggest do a pod at summit | 16:42 |
| manishg | and hopefully we can have some consensus before summit but will need discussion there too. | 16:42 |
| rkukura | shivharis: Agreed on pod and/or session | 16:42 |
| manishg | shivharis: +1 | 16:42 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura manishg: it will be a good goal to have a good understanding of the solution - perhaps we can present the solution to wider audiance at the summut | 16:42 |
| manishg | Sukhdev: agree. | 16:42 |
| rkukura | Ok, bulk ops is next on the list | 16:43 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: This one may be a good one to ask for a summit session - markmcclain has some input on taskflow as well | 16:43 |
| shivharis | banix is out | 16:43 |
| rkukura | shivharis: right | 16:43 |
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| rkukura | I think this is current tracked as a bug - do we need a BP on it for Kilo? | 16:43 |
| manishg | Sukhdev: agree. markmcclain had also mentioned it in last summit . so good to get his input too. | 16:44 |
| rkukura | One possibility is that TaskFlow lets us make the entire plugin operation safe to call within transactions, which would mean banix’s changes would not be needed | 16:44 |
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| Sukhdev | manishg: Yes, once we have built our understanding, then will be appropriate to ping him - to cross check | 16:45 |
| rkukura | I’m not thinking we’ll need a session specifically on bulk ops | 16:45 |
| rkukura | Next items is imrproving DB transactions/locking | 16:46 |
| shivharis | rkukura: what is the current issue with db transaction/locking? | 16:46 |
| rkukura | The fact that we do with_lockmode(‘update’) but that it doesn’t really do global row locking with clustered DBs is a concern. | 16:46 |
| rkukura | The semaphore locking also limits throughput. | 16:47 |
| rkukura | I’d really prefer we take an optimistic approach rather than doing pessamistic locking | 16:47 |
| pgpus | agreed | 16:47 |
| shivharis | ah ha | 16:47 |
| rkukura | I think some progress has been made in this direction, and we can possibly complete it in Kilo | 16:47 |
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| manishg | rkukura: any pointers? | 16:48 |
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| rkukura | manishg: I haven’t looked into this in detail for a while, so nothing specific right now | 16:48 |
| manishg | rkukura: ok, thanks. | 16:49 |
| rkukura | Just wondering if this is something that needs a BP | 16:49 |
| rkukura | Anyone interested in working on this? | 16:49 |
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| manishg | rkukura: will take a look at the issue and let you know. | 16:50 |
| rkukura | Please add ideas to the etherpad | 16:50 |
| rkukura | manishg: thanks | 16:50 |
| pgpus | Are there any BPs for bypassing DPDK like in OVS by Linoro community for ML2 drivers? | 16:50 |
| HenryG | On the topic of DB operations, Mike Bayer filed a "bug" about optimizing joins or something. | 16:50 |
| * HenryG looks for the bug ... | 16:51 | |
| rkukura | Extension drivers is mentioned on the neutron etherpad as well | 16:51 |
| rkukura | HenryG: Lets put links to bugs, related threads, etc. in the etherpad | 16:51 |
| yamahata | I'm interested in extension drivers | 16:51 |
| rkukura | yamahata: Do you have specific goals? | 16:52 |
| HenryG | rkukura: Understood, but it looked more like a BP than a bug. | 16:52 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: I think we had a spec on the extensions during Juno, which got pushed to Kilo | 16:52 |
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| yamahata | rkukura: actually I started with port security extension. | 16:52 |
| HenryG | rkukura: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1380823 | 16:52 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1380823 in neutron "outerjoins used as a result of plugin architecture are inefficient" [Undecided,New] | 16:52 |
| yamahata | during addressing it, issues were found. So I'd like to clear them first. | 16:53 |
| rkukura | yamahata: right - there are specs and code in review for portsecurity | 16:53 |
| rkukura | yamahata: ok | 16:53 |
| yamahata | rkukura: I'm also willing to address semantic enforcement etc... | 16:53 |
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| rkukura | I’m interested in making ML2 port binding able to enforce the semantics required by the values of extensions, but not sure if this is important during Kilo | 16:54 |
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| yamahata | rkukura: I see. Okay | 16:54 |
| rkukura | yamahata: sounds like we should discuss that, and see what makes sense to propose for kilo | 16:55 |
| rkukura | OK, lets talk about modular L2 agent | 16:55 |
| rkukura | We’ve got about 6 minutes left | 16:55 |
| rkukura | So this has been discussed for several summit, but we’ve never converged on a plan | 16:55 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: Shall we create an action to discuss it next week? | 16:56 |
| pgpus | Besides security extension can there not be a use case for performance improvements like Open Data Plane (ODP) efforts? | 16:56 |
| shivharis | One question on ML2 agent: how many agents do we have that need to come under the ML2 agent umbrella? | 16:56 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: ideally all, but, start with one | 16:57 |
| manishg | shivharis: I believe the idea is to avoid duplication of code between agents. Some of work is perhaps common. So I'd guess all. | 16:57 |
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| shivharis | i know the motivation, but there are not too many | 16:57 |
| rkukura | Lets start with ML2 agent on this part of the agenda next week | 16:58 |
| shivharis | rkukura: oj | 16:58 |
| shivharis | ok | 16:58 |
| pgpus | I understood as we have one plugin and many derivers with ovs as default | 16:58 |
| manishg | when's banix back? | 16:58 |
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| rkukura | I think extensibility of the agents is also important | 16:58 |
| Sukhdev | manishg: he said he is out for several weeks - what ever that means :-) | 16:58 |
| manishg | rkukura: +1 | 16:58 |
| rkukura | #topic Open Discussion | 16:59 |
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| pgpus | when you have only one plugin all extensions mergae and have same API, except common minimum rest vendors can implemnet what they think is needed for their hardware | 16:59 |
| romilg | In the end I also request all to spend some time to review this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121000/ | 16:59 |
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| rkukura | pgpus: Not sure what you are getting at? | 17:00 |
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| rkukura | Ok, please add/update ideas for themes in the etherpad | 17:01 |
| pgpus | I ma trying to see what support we can add for Carrier grade in ML2 if possible in Kilo to support nfv | 17:01 |
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| rkukura | pgpus: Please add something to the etherpad if you think this is a possible kilo theme | 17:02 |
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| pgpus | will do | 17:02 |
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| rkukura | #endmeeting | 17:02 |
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| Sukhdev | pgpus: please clarify | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 15 17:02:15 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-10-15-16.05.html | 17:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-10-15-16.05.txt | 17:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-10-15-16.05.log.html | 17:02 |
| rkukura | Thanks everyone! | 17:02 |
| shivharis | bye | 17:02 |
| manishg | bye | 17:02 |
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| Sukhdev | bye | 17:02 |
| Kiall | #startmeeting Designate | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 15 17:02:31 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Kiall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
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| Kiall | Hey folks - Who's about today? | 17:02 |
| rjrjr_ | \o | 17:02 |
| romilg | bye | 17:02 |
| mugsie | o/ | 17:02 |
| betsy | o/ | 17:02 |
| timsim | o/ | 17:03 |
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| vinod1 | o/ | 17:03 |
| Kiall | #topic Action Items from last week | 17:03 |
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| Kiall | So - 2 actions last week, both around v2 stability and for me - I did a review of the v2 API as it is today, and the only thing that concerned me is the missing validations.. Beyond possible changes for pools, I see no other blockers from calling it stable (stable as in code written today will work against v2 in a year) | 17:04 |
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| Kiall | Did anyone else give it a once over? | 17:05 |
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| vinod1 | Some of the other v2 usabilty that I had were | 17:05 |
| vinod1 | previous link | 17:05 |
| vinod1 | designate client support | 17:05 |
| vinod1 | server support (until pools) needs v1 | 17:05 |
| vinod1 | Extensions/apis missing (but present in v1) - diagnostics, sync, touch, tsigkeys | 17:05 |
| vinod1 | schema validation in v2. | 17:05 |
| vinod1 | update documentation for v2 (counts,reports,tenants,floatingips,limits,nameservers, recordsets) | 17:05 |
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| mugsie | actually, that is a good point | 17:05 |
| mugsie | the pools change will change how the servers end point works | 17:06 |
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| mugsie | (and that should be implemented before we call it stable) | 17:06 |
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| Kiall | mugsie: yep, as I said - pools will likely have a change or two ;) | 17:06 |
| betsy | well, would those changes break the api? | 17:06 |
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| mugsie | yes | 17:06 |
| timsim | The v2 api? | 17:07 |
| mugsie | for the admin /servers endpoint - the code writen against it now wont work in a year | 17:07 |
| mugsie | if we call an API stable it would need to be feature complete | 17:07 |
| Kiall | re previous link, client support, docs - I don't see those as blockers from calling the API stable | 17:07 |
| mugsie | (aka no switching between v1 and v2 to do things | 17:07 |
| Kiall | mugsie: I disagree.. V2 will grow over time... | 17:07 |
| Kiall | Oh | 17:07 |
| Kiall | That.. Sure, that does make sense | 17:07 |
| mugsie | so, until we merge the pools API layer it will not be... that is the main blocker I see right now | 17:08 |
| timsim | That makes sense, until you can manage servers from the v2 API, it's not stable. | 17:08 |
| Kiall | Yep - The two I had were validation and any changes that might come about for the existing resources to make pools work.. | 17:08 |
| Kiall | vinod1: re client/docs - I think those are separate from the API stability, but are certainly needed before anyone would want to put it into production :) | 17:09 |
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| vinod1 | ok | 17:10 |
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| vinod1 | how about the missing apis - would that case switching between v1 and v2? | 17:10 |
| mugsie | yeah | 17:10 |
| mugsie | what APIs are we currently missing | 17:10 |
| mugsie | i know servers | 17:10 |
| Kiall | vinod1: Yea, I hadn't considered that, and agree.. functions that make sense to port should be ported | 17:10 |
| vinod1 | Extensions/apis missing (but present in v1) - diagnostics, sync, touch, tsigkeys | 17:11 |
| mugsie | ping? | 17:11 |
| mugsie | oh, thats in diags i thinks | 17:11 |
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| Kiall | sync - I don't think that makes much sense in a pools/mDNS world.. | 17:11 |
| timsim | tsigs? | 17:12 |
| timsim | Ah, vinod1 had that. | 17:12 |
| mugsie | sync - it might if you want to force a zone to re-sync | 17:12 |
| Kiall | mugsie: the only way to do that with mDNS etc is to increment the serial (i.e. "touch") | 17:13 |
| Kiall | Yep - tsig's is a requirement for getting pools 100%, but it's changing a little so won't be a 1:1 port | 17:13 |
| Kiall | (the notion of tsigkey's being scoped to a set of domains / a pool / a tenant etc) | 17:13 |
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| Kiall | #action kiall to write each of the missing v2 pieces mentioned into a wiki page, with links to bug # / blueprints for each. | 17:14 |
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| Kiall | If we find more, we can add them to it | 17:15 |
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| Kiall | Let's move on, fairly full agenda today | 17:15 |
| Kiall | #topic Release Status (recurring) | 17:15 |
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| Kiall | So - Juno is out tomorrow, if you have any release critical bugs, raise your hand right now! ;) | 17:16 |
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| Kiall | Assuming none, rc2 will be our Juno release and ttx will cut it for us tomorrow | 17:16 |
| betsy | yay! | 17:16 |
| Kiall | :) | 17:17 |
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| Kiall | So, I'm taking silence as no known last minute issues.. Moving on :) | 17:17 |
| Kiall | If you have any, and only if they are truly release critical, ping ttx | 17:17 |
| Kiall | (I'm away from now -> Monday) | 17:18 |
| Kiall | #topic Launchpad Blueprint Cleanup (kiall) | 17:18 |
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| Kiall | So, I started trying to cleanup our BP list a few days ago, and mugsie tried again today.. We have lots of stuff in there.. Some of which no longer make sense etc | 17:18 |
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| mugsie | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+assignments is a good overview | 17:19 |
| Kiall | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate | 17:19 |
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| Kiall | lol - I've never seen that assignments page | 17:19 |
| Kiall | Anyway - Can we spent 2 mins giving them a look over, then make some suggetions for BP's to "Mark as Obsolete" ;) | 17:20 |
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| betsy | sounds good | 17:20 |
| rjrjr_ | yes | 17:20 |
| betsy | What about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/recordsets-records-tables-redesign? I’m not sure that will ever get done now that the other code’s been done | 17:22 |
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| Kiall | betsy: really? I think that one is still going to be valuable to anyone running at scale.. | 17:23 |
| betsy | That’s true | 17:23 |
| betsy | never mind | 17:24 |
| mugsie | I think it should happen - we will need to split that DB table out | 17:24 |
| mugsie | mine are: | 17:24 |
| mugsie | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/ptr-sink-creation | 17:24 |
| mugsie | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/second-tier-slave-deploy | 17:24 |
| mugsie | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/fixed-ip-ptrs | 17:24 |
| mugsie | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/fqdn-name-auto-registration | 17:24 |
| mugsie | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/dynamic-dns-update-backend | 17:24 |
| mugsie | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/bulk-modify-delete-records | 17:24 |
| Kiall | before we get too far down the rabbit hole of discussion though.. Let's just drop the links and what we think should be done here.. then discuss | 17:24 |
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| rjrjr_ | agreed on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/fixed-ip-ptrs | 17:24 |
| Kiall | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/plugable-serial-number-format <-- Drop | 17:25 |
| Kiall | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/dynamic-dns-update-backend <-- Drop - mDNS "kinda" covers this, and DNS UPDATE can't create/delete zones | 17:25 |
| Kiall | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/fqdn-name-auto-registration and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/ptr-sink-creation <-- Combine into "Make sink useful out of the box" | 17:25 |
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| mugsie | i think the 2 sink ones will be better done via the neutron integration | 17:25 |
| timsim | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/mdns-designate-mdns-region-awareness could probably be accomplished outside of minidns | 17:26 |
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| Kiall | Anyone else have more coming before we go through ^? :) | 17:26 |
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| timsim | I'm good | 17:27 |
| Kiall | vinod1? timsim ? richm ? | 17:27 |
| richm | no | 17:27 |
| vinod1 | I'm good. | 17:27 |
| Kiall | Okay.. Let's start at the top so .. | 17:28 |
| Kiall | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/ptr-sink-creation and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/fqdn-name-auto-registration | 17:28 |
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| Kiall | Both are sink related tasks, I think we merge them.. mugsie things we drop them... Anyone have opinions either way? | 17:29 |
| Kiall | thinks* | 17:29 |
| timsim | Are these things manageable with a custom handler? | 17:29 |
| Kiall | timsim: yes, I believe they are.. | 17:29 |
| mugsie | Kiall, the fqdn one is not sink related | 17:29 |
| rjrjr_ | i think users are looking for an example that includes PTRs. | 17:29 |
| mugsie | ah it is | 17:30 |
| mugsie | just at the bottom | 17:30 |
| mugsie | but, I dont like the idea of doing the fqdn one in any case | 17:30 |
| betsy | I say we drop them for now and if they come back up later, we add them | 17:30 |
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| mugsie | especially with sub / super domain stuff that we have now | 17:30 |
| mugsie | betsy, +1 | 17:30 |
| Kiall | mugsie: with neutron integration happening at some point, I think I agree on that one. | 17:30 |
| timsim | I think it'd be good to have an example for people to use so that they didn't have to write it themselves. But I'd think the first person to write this type of thing would contribute it back and it'd be there. I don't think they're valid BPs really. | 17:31 |
| mugsie | i think a bug for "sink examples are bad" would be better | 17:31 |
| timsim | mugsie: +1 | 17:31 |
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| Kiall | Sounds like consensus is drop the BPs, file a bug? | 17:31 |
| timsim | Sounds good to me. | 17:31 |
| betsy | agreed | 17:31 |
| mugsie | +1 | 17:31 |
| Kiall | bug would expand what do today in the samples to include examples for PTR etc | 17:31 |
| rjrjr_ | sure. | 17:31 |
| Kiall | Okay | 17:32 |
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| Kiall | Next one from mugsie was https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/second-tier-slave-deploy .. | 17:32 |
| mugsie | we can't really do this, based on most dns servers not being able to be a master and a slave | 17:33 |
| rjrjr_ | agreed. | 17:33 |
| mugsie | so, with mdns being master, 2nd tier is out | 17:33 |
| Kiall | mugsie: yea, I've never seen one that can do that.. (I could be wrong..) | 17:33 |
| mugsie | turns out MS DNS can | 17:33 |
| Kiall | lol | 17:33 |
| mugsie | but, thats a whole different can of worms | 17:33 |
| betsy | :) | 17:33 |
| Kiall | Okay - consensus is drop? | 17:34 |
| timsim | holdup | 17:34 |
| Kiall | (things can always be filed again) | 17:34 |
| Kiall | timsim: holding ;) | 17:34 |
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| timsim | If it was something someone wanted, this would probably be done in the form of a pool manager and some custom code. | 17:34 |
| timsim | That being said, there probably doesn't need to be a BP done for it :) | 17:34 |
| timsim | Yet, anyway. | 17:35 |
| mugsie | yeah - i dont think it is something that we should worry about for the time being | 17:35 |
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| betsy | I think the said bp is obsolete | 17:35 |
| Kiall | timsim: This was a BP filed by Joe in Feb - I'm think that pre-dates mDNS, and I'm not sure it makes much sense anymore (I could easily be wrong!) | 17:35 |
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| timsim | Fair enough | 17:36 |
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| timsim | kill it with fire | 17:36 |
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| Kiall | ;) | 17:36 |
| Kiall | next .. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/fixed-ip-ptrs | 17:37 |
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| Kiall | (let's try get through these quicker ;)) | 17:37 |
| rjrjr_ | we don't need it anymore. have another solution instead. | 17:37 |
| Kiall | Thoughts? I see neutron integration as likely obsoleting the current purpose build PTR apis | 17:38 |
| Kiall | Also.. ^ v2 API gap. | 17:38 |
| Kiall | Anyone object? Will move on otherwise | 17:38 |
| timsim | No objections here. | 17:38 |
| mugsie | nope | 17:38 |
| Kiall | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/dynamic-dns-update-backend | 17:38 |
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| Kiall | I think mDNS solve the spirit of ^ | 17:39 |
| Kiall | solves* | 17:39 |
| mugsie | yup - I say close alright | 17:39 |
| timsim | close | 17:39 |
| Kiall | And - DNS UPDATE limitations prevent it being useful with mDNS / Pools anyway | 17:39 |
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| Kiall | Going once... Twice... | 17:39 |
| Kiall | Next .. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/bulk-modify-delete-records | 17:40 |
| rjrjr_ | is there a BP to handle using nsupdate? | 17:40 |
| rjrjr_ | with mdns? | 17:40 |
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| timsim | Within one RRset you can do this now right? But not between multiple RRsets? | 17:40 |
| Kiall | I think there's really 2 parts to ^ .. 1) Updating of records in a single RRSet - Solved with V2, and 2) Updating a whole slew of records cross different recordsets in 1 call, not solved by V2 | 17:40 |
| mugsie | rjrjr_, yeah - somewhere | 17:40 |
| betsy | timsim: correct | 17:40 |
| mugsie | timsim, i added this as there is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/bulk-resource-change-transaction | 17:41 |
| timsim | Yeah I'm good with moving the second part of that work over to the bp mugsie linked. | 17:41 |
| mugsie | I think what we implent for all resources should work for records | 17:41 |
| betsy | mugsie: that one makes the first one obsolete then | 17:41 |
| timsim | yep. So close this one | 17:41 |
| Kiall | Okay - So - bulk-modify-delete-records get's the close? going once.... | 17:42 |
| Kiall | Gone.. Next was https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/plugable-serial-number-format | 17:42 |
| Kiall | I have to admit, I've never undersood this one ;) | 17:42 |
| Kiall | understood* | 17:42 |
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| timsim | What other type would you want to use? | 17:42 |
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| timsim | and why | 17:43 |
| Kiall | But - From memory, we're relying on the serial number patterns and in pools, plus handling more than 99 updates a minute make "the other format" (date based) difficult | 17:43 |
| Kiall | we're relying on the serial number patterns in pools* | 17:43 |
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| timsim | mugsie is probably furiously typing. | 17:44 |
| mugsie | nope - I can see the appeal, but we cant do it with pools | 17:44 |
| Kiall | vinod1 / betsy / timsim - I think this one came from rackspace - I'm not sure if it was a "needed" or "would be cool if" BP? | 17:44 |
| Kiall | (Joe filed too many BPs on behalf of others, hard to know which ones are from you guys or not ;)) | 17:45 |
| betsy | I remember the discussion early on, but can’t recall the details | 17:45 |
| timsim | I've never heard of it, or see the reason. I mean it'd be kind of cute, but I don't see a reason for it. Close. | 17:45 |
| Kiall | ort | 17:45 |
| timsim | Silly joe. | 17:45 |
| Kiall | oh* | 17:45 |
| Kiall | mugsie: filed this one | 17:45 |
| Kiall | So - Agreed on kill? | 17:45 |
| timsim | Kiall: That's why I thought he'd defend it, lol | 17:45 |
| betsy | I think it did come from a discussion Rackspace brought up, tho | 17:45 |
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| mugsie | it did | 17:46 |
| mugsie | i say close | 17:46 |
| timsim | jbratton? | 17:46 |
| Kiall | betsy: want to hold off on it so until you guys chat with joe etc? | 17:46 |
| betsy | kiall: ok | 17:46 |
| timsim | Yeah we can go figure it out | 17:46 |
| betsy | We’ll double check | 17:46 |
| Kiall | Okay.. last one was from timsim https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/mdns-designate-mdns-region-awareness | 17:46 |
| jbratton | timsim: we need serial numbers in epoch format to handle updates of more than 100/hour | 17:47 |
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| jbratton | that's our only requirement with respect to serial numbers | 17:47 |
| Kiall | jbratton: yea, that's my big thing with it too :) | 17:47 |
| timsim | I swear, you summon that guy and he'll always appear. So you can close that bp Kiall. | 17:47 |
| betsy | So can we handle more than 100/hour now? | 17:47 |
| Kiall | Okay.. Done | 17:47 |
| jbratton | betsy: yes, using epoch we can | 17:47 |
| jbratton | timsim: it's magic :) | 17:47 |
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| Kiall | re https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/mdns-designate-mdns-region-awareness - timsim any reason you say close? | 17:48 |
| timsim | So for the region awareness, would this not be done by configuring minidns' slaves to just the ones in whatever region you wanted, and making sure minidns only got the messages for that region? | 17:48 |
| Kiall | (I know jbratton will argue against you :P) | 17:48 |
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| timsim | I reckon it's basically a config option that would already work. | 17:49 |
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| Kiall | timsim: ah, so you're arguing it just becomes a piece of pools to work out as against it's own BP? | 17:49 |
| Kiall | That makes more sense than dropping it ;) | 17:50 |
| mugsie | yeah - that sounds right to me | 17:50 |
| timsim | Yep. | 17:50 |
| timsim | I think you basically get that for free. | 17:50 |
| Kiall | Okay - I think we leave it for today, since we have 10 mins left and more topics ;) | 17:50 |
| timsim | cool | 17:51 |
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| Kiall | #topic Paris designate session - preparations AND Things to talk about in Paris (Combined for the sake of time ;)) | 17:51 |
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| Kiall | First up - we have 3x 40 minute design session slots early in the week, and either a half or full day "contributers session" towards the end of the week | 17:51 |
| Kiall | Plus the talk a few of you are giving ;) | 17:51 |
| Kiall | Considering we have like 6 mins left, I suggest we leave the sessions as homework to get suggestions together. | 17:52 |
| Kiall | vinod1: you had something on the talk? | 17:52 |
| vinod1 | No just wanted to get some discussions started on this | 17:53 |
| timsim | Did we want to do a hangout to chat about the talk? Practices, topics, recyle last years, etc? | 17:53 |
| vinod1 | Also for the talk, I assume mugsie was scheduling a hangout | 17:53 |
| Kiall | mugsie loves scheduling hangouts ;) | 17:53 |
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| mugsie | yup, I will email ye in a few mins to get a time together | 17:54 |
| Kiall | Okay - Let's continue ^ in email so.. Moving on very very quickly ;) | 17:54 |
| Kiall | #topic Some clarifications on server pools | 17:54 |
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| Kiall | vinod1: over to you | 17:54 |
| vinod1 | name servers in storage for v2 - would this go as pool attributes - format - list, dict or should each name server be in a separate item? | 17:54 |
| vinod1 | pool_servers in storage in v2 - would each server be | 17:54 |
| vinod1 | if name_servers and pool_servers go into the pool_atrributes, should the api also be modified to specify them as pool_attributes? | 17:54 |
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| vinod1 | 1st item name servers in storage for v2 - would this go as pool attributes - format - list, dict or should each name server be in a separate item? | 17:55 |
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| mugsie | they would be a separate line in the attrib table | 17:55 |
| Kiall | the powerdns "domainmetadata" is effectively ^, and it seems to work pretty well.. | 17:56 |
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| mugsie | I think we should keep the API as is, and translate them - it seems a better UX | 17:56 |
| mugsie | they are required items, and i think they warrant a item in the pools object | 17:57 |
| vinod1 | by a separate line, do you mean each nameserver gets a separate entry - so it they are 3 name servers in a given pool - that would be 3 entries? | 17:57 |
| mugsie | yup | 17:57 |
| Kiall | mugsie: Yea, API they just form a list .. in the DB we have to either store CSV/JSON/or a row for each.. I'd love to avoid CSV/JSON in our DB | 17:57 |
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| timsim | Makes sense to have a row for each imo. | 17:58 |
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| vinod1 | Would it be the same for pool_servers too? | 17:58 |
| mugsie | yup | 17:59 |
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| Kiall | pool servers would I think want it own table? | 17:59 |
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| Kiall | (there's lots of details to store about those.. unless I'm getting mixed up) | 17:59 |
| rjrjr_ | servers are in the config file. | 17:59 |
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| mugsie | rjrjr_, yup | 18:00 |
| mugsie | you are right | 18:00 |
| mugsie | I was thinking of the old design | 18:00 |
| vinod1 | so what is the point of having the pool_servers in the api? | 18:00 |
| Kiall | Times up folks, Let's finish this in #openstack-dns.. and.. yep.. rjrjr_ is right! | 18:00 |
| amrith | excuse me ... trove meeting time. | 18:00 |
| mugsie | we dont store servers in the DB at all | 18:00 |
| Kiall | Thanks all.. | 18:00 |
| Kiall | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 15 18:00:36 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-10-15-17.02.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-10-15-17.02.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-10-15-17.02.log.html | 18:00 |
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| amrith | #startmeeting Trove | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 15 18:01:01 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amrith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Trove)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:01 |
| denis_makogon | o/ | 18:01 |
| grapex | o/ | 18:01 |
| georgelorch | o/ | 18:01 |
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| schang | o/ | 18:01 |
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| amrith | I'll give folks a couple of minutes to filter in. | 18:01 |
| tomblank | o/ | 18:01 |
| amrith | expect to start at :02 | 18:01 |
| amrith | . | 18:02 |
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| amrith | ok, let's get started | 18:03 |
| denis_makogon | seems like waiting for Robert to appear | 18:04 |
| amrith | SlickNik isn't here today and I offered to run the meeting | 18:04 |
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| amrith | Meeting agenda at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 18:04 |
| amrith | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 18:04 |
| robertmyers | o/ | 18:04 |
| amrith | and since robert is here now, let's get on with the first item | 18:04 |
| robertmyers | sorry | 18:04 |
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| robertmyers | forgot to join | 18:05 |
| amrith | #topic Discuss the timing of trove-guestagent refactoring. | 18:05 |
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| amrith | robertmyers, the floor is yours | 18:05 |
| mattgriffin | o/ | 18:05 |
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| robertmyers | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119425/ | 18:05 |
| robertmyers | so basically the idea to move the guest to its own module | 18:05 |
| robertmyers | that will cause problems with reviews in flight | 18:06 |
| robertmyers | so I wanted to talk about priorities | 18:06 |
| robertmyers | what should we merge first/second | 18:06 |
| robertmyers | etc | 18:06 |
| denis_makogon | there's a problem | 18:07 |
| amrith | robertmyers, do you have a recommendation? | 18:07 |
| denis_makogon | we still don't know actual road map for this release | 18:07 |
| robertmyers | amrith: merge the move first :) | 18:07 |
| denis_makogon | so we can only predict about priorities taking into account Nikhil's PTL letter | 18:08 |
| amrith | OK, is this part of the change or the whole change (I assume it is part of the change) | 18:08 |
| robertmyers | but that is selfish of me | 18:08 |
| dougshelley66 | o/ | 18:08 |
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| robertmyers | amrith: this is just the first part | 18:08 |
| robertmyers | making a new module | 18:08 |
| amrith | so, this change, at this stage, is not ready to merge. | 18:08 |
| amrith | it (at least) needs a rebase | 18:09 |
| robertmyers | true | 18:09 |
| * nikhil_k finds name tagged. Hoping is not the Nikhil in question. | 18:09 | |
| robertmyers | but the more we merge the harder it will be to mantain it | 18:09 |
| amrith | nikhil_k, sorry, no | 18:09 |
| grapex | I feel like this is one of those changes that will always need a rebase until the day it gets merged. :p | 18:09 |
| amrith | different nikhil | 18:09 |
| nikhil_k | :) | 18:09 |
| schang | I did a rebase this morning, and now the int test fails. Working on the issue now. | 18:09 |
| robertmyers | yes it will have a lot of rebase issues | 18:10 |
| amrith | robertmyers, I think the approach you are advocating is one where you get close enough and want all other merges to hold for a bit while you drop this, yes? | 18:10 |
| robertmyers | So rather than just continually doing that | 18:10 |
| amrith | I think that is workable. | 18:10 |
| robertmyers | amrithyes | 18:10 |
| grapex | I think we all agree we should do this. I think now its just about messaging to everyone when to expect the pain. :) | 18:10 |
| amrith | when do you anticipate being at that point? are all review comments done at this point, is it at the point where you think it is good to go. | 18:10 |
| amrith | modulo fixing whatever ails int tests now | 18:11 |
| robertmyers | amrith: I think after the tests pass it should be good | 18:11 |
| robertmyers | unless someone finds a big issue | 18:11 |
| amrith | Could I get a couple of core reviewers to take a crack at it. it should be straightforward but having you look at it would be good. | 18:11 |
| amrith | grapex, have you reviewed it? | 18:12 |
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| amrith | I'm assuming yes? | 18:12 |
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| johnma | robertmyers: can you provide the link to the review for this? Would like to take a look | 18:12 |
| amrith | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119425/ | 18:12 |
| grapex | amrith: I only looked at its last incarnation | 18:12 |
| grapex | I can review | 18:12 |
| amrith | grapex, that's fine | 18:12 |
| johnma | oh yes you already did. thank you | 18:12 |
| amrith | I assumed you had | 18:12 |
| amrith | and were working with robert and simon on this | 18:13 |
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| amrith | I'll look at it as well, it seems like just a move at this point | 18:13 |
| grapex | I did, months and month ago. But there's no point unless we all agree we're ready to do this | 18:13 |
| robertmyers | Yeah we sort of tabled it waiting for kilo | 18:13 |
| robertmyers | as this is a big change :) | 18:13 |
| grapex | rmyers: and you're pinky-swearing to us that you aren't also added a bunch of tiny refactorings that you've always wanted, right? ;) | 18:13 |
| robertmyers | grapex: maybe | 18:14 |
| grapex | robertmyers: Oh you | 18:14 |
| robertmyers | :) | 18:14 |
| amrith | so, here's a proposal. Let's all take a look at the change and put our comments in. | 18:14 |
| amrith | schang, robertmyers you'll handle the current issues with gte | 18:14 |
| amrith | gate | 18:14 |
| robertmyers | sure | 18:14 |
| SlickNik | o/ Sorry folks, on the road today, so will be on and off IRC. | 18:14 |
| * SlickNik reads scrollback | 18:14 | |
| schang | amrith: yes I will | 18:15 |
| amrith | at the point where this is approaching touchdown, I'm ok with the notion of giving you a clear window to merge this change. | 18:15 |
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| amrith | amcrn, you here? | 18:15 |
| robertmyers | ok, so maybe we should look and see if any other reviews should go in soon | 18:15 |
| grapex | SlickNik: Don't IRC and drive | 18:16 |
| amrith | yes, there is one | 18:16 |
| robertmyers | like log messsages | 18:16 |
| amrith | and that is one of amcrn's that is sitting around | 18:16 |
| amrith | and I have one (log messages for redis) | 18:16 |
| grapex | SlickNik: Just say no to FreeNode on the open road | 18:16 |
| amrith | a quick look at outstanding reviews pointed me to those. | 18:16 |
| robertmyers | maybe we can approve those to clear the way for this change | 18:16 |
| SlickNik | ++ I think this is repaying valuable technical debt, so if we need to quiesce reviews for a little bit to get this in, I'm all for it. | 18:16 |
| amrith | I'll work with amcrn to get the clustering one in; his needs a rebase | 18:16 |
| amrith | my redis change is pending CI | 18:17 |
| amrith | otherwise good to go. | 18:17 |
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| amrith | We will give you a clear running room to merge this change after those. | 18:17 |
| amrith | ok? | 18:17 |
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| amrith | schang, robertmyers, please keep me in the loop on the progress and we'll make this work. | 18:18 |
| robertmyers | amrith: will do | 18:18 |
| schang | amrith: ok | 18:18 |
| amrith | all: please take a minute to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119425/ | 18:18 |
| cp16net | tite | 18:18 |
| amrith | get your comments in soon | 18:18 |
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| amrith | . | 18:19 |
| amrith | . | 18:19 |
| amrith | ok, hearing nothing further | 18:19 |
| amrith | #topic Open Discussion | 18:19 |
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| amrith | anyone ... | 18:20 |
| denis_makogon | if there's nothing more, i'd like to remind, again, about reviewing specs | 18:20 |
| johnma | Amrith: do we we have a list of topics for the summit. | 18:20 |
| johnma | I dont see anything on the etherpad yet | 18:20 |
| amrith | johnma, I will follow-up with SlickNik on the topics for summit | 18:21 |
| johnma | ok, thanks. | 18:21 |
| SlickNik | Folks need to start adding proposals that they have. | 18:21 |
| denis_makogon | johnma, we're free to propose topics and core team will decide what to take | 18:21 |
| SlickNik | I have a couple I plan to add to the etherpad, and will do that by this weekend. | 18:21 |
| amrith | ... see, I told you I'd follow-up with SlickNik ... | 18:22 |
| johnma | :) | 18:22 |
| denis_makogon | i'd like to ask core team to review specs, since they are hanging already too long | 18:22 |
| SlickNik | But let's plan on going through the proposals during next weeks meeting. | 18:22 |
| johnma | so the topic that we propose, can they be topics we are interested in hearing more about or are they more in the line of topics we want to present | 18:22 |
| amrith | johnma, I'd say both | 18:23 |
| johnma | ok, sounds good | 18:23 |
| amrith | please indicate which is which | 18:23 |
| johnma | sure | 18:23 |
| SlickNik | johnma: Yes, if you're planning on driving a session please mention your name / nick as the driver. | 18:23 |
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| johnma | sure, will do. | 18:24 |
| cp16net | or if you want to put someone else on the spot put their name | 18:24 |
| cp16net | :-P | 18:24 |
| amrith | SlickNik, I'm adding this review of proposals to next weeks meeting | 18:24 |
| SlickNik | amrith: ++ Thanks! | 18:24 |
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| johnma | on the side I have couple of blueprints I need to write. When I have them ready, I guess I need to bring it up during the Monday meetings, am I right. I am not sure whether I have been missing those or whether we havent been having them lately | 18:25 |
| amrith | #action ALL update etherpad for summit sessions, indicate which ones you'd like to lead or listen. (nominate cp16net for all other sessions) | 18:25 |
| amrith | does anyone have a link to the etherpad handy | 18:26 |
| cp16net | lol | 18:26 |
| johnma | yes https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-trove-summit-topics | 18:26 |
| cp16net | amrith: <3 | 18:26 |
| amrith | johnma, re: bp's yes. please put them on the monday meeting agenda | 18:26 |
| cp16net | i like the topic of '<' | 18:27 |
| SlickNik | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-trove-summit-topics | 18:27 |
| amrith | johnma, please note that the BP process is subtly different from last cycle | 18:27 |
| amrith | for an example, please take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123571/ | 18:28 |
| amrith | or ping me after the meeting and I'll give you more details | 18:28 |
| johnma | Amrith: ok, I will take a look at it | 18:28 |
| johnma | sure, sounds good | 18:28 |
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| amrith | . | 18:29 |
| vgnbkr | johnma: Be wary of the template.rst in the root directory if it's still there - you want to start with the one in the specs directory. | 18:29 |
| amrith | vgnbkr, ++ | 18:29 |
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| johnma | ok, sure. Thanks alot. appreciate the feedback | 18:30 |
| amrith | vgnbkr, it appears to have been deleted | 18:30 |
| amrith | . | 18:31 |
| amrith | anyone have other topics for open discussion ... | 18:31 |
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| amrith | . | 18:32 |
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| amrith | . | 18:32 |
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| amrith | ... going once ... | 18:32 |
| amrith | ... going twice ... | 18:33 |
| amrith | #endmeeting | 18:33 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 15 18:33:27 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:33 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-10-15-18.01.html | 18:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-10-15-18.01.txt | 18:33 |
| amrith | thanks everyone | 18:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-10-15-18.01.log.html | 18:33 |
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| blogan | hi | 20:00 |
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| blogan | #startmeeting octavia | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 15 20:00:14 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is blogan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| ptoohill | o/ | 20:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:00 |
| TrevorV | o/ | 20:00 |
| johnsom | o/ | 20:00 |
| blogan | #topic roll cal | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll cal (Meeting topic: octavia)" | 20:00 | |
| blogan | #topic roll call | 20:00 |
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| rohara | o/ | 20:00 |
| jorgem | Alo everybody! | 20:00 |
| ptoohill | hello | 20:00 |
| blogan | sbalukoff is not here this week so im the poor sap who will be running this | 20:00 |
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| jorgem | interim PTL you say? | 20:01 |
| sballe | o? | 20:01 |
| johnsom | Thanks blogan | 20:01 |
| dougwig | despot | 20:01 |
| sballe | o/ | 20:01 |
| blogan | more like a coup de ta | 20:01 |
| davidlenwell | o/ | 20:01 |
| sballe | :) | 20:01 |
| TrevorV | coup d'état | 20:02 |
| blogan | i created an agenda ad hoc so if anyone wants to add something we can talk about it at the end | 20:02 |
| TrevorV | lulz | 20:02 |
| TrevorV | it copied that way | 20:02 |
| blogan | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Octavia/Weekly_Meeting_Agenda | 20:02 |
| ptoohill | FLIP talks, if other concerned parties are here can happen as last topic | 20:03 |
| blogan | #topic Neutron LBaaS FLIP Update | 20:03 |
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| ptoohill | lel | 20:03 |
| johnsom | Just that RackSpace has two reports for the week in the standup etherpad. Here I thought it was our company splitting.... | 20:03 |
| sballe | lol | 20:03 |
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| blogan | lol johnsom, i think i put that first copy in there last week....apparently i was doing something stupid | 20:04 |
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| blogan | anyway FLIP topic | 20:04 |
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| ptoohill | I don't believe the others that were responding to the email threads are here. But they have brought up some additional ideas about how to handle/deal with floating ips that we are still discussing. There has not yet been a solidified agreement as of yet. | 20:04 |
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| blogan | been a long email chain on the ML about it, people might need some time to get caught up on it | 20:05 |
| ptoohill | indeed | 20:05 |
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| johnsom | Yeah, it has been a busy week, so I am not caught up | 20:05 |
| blogan | ptoohill would you agree that the current plan to just have the user associate the FLIP to the vip port works for now and how to implement the autoallocation of the FLIP can wait until later? | 20:05 |
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| ptoohill | Agreed | 20:05 |
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| johnsom | Later like v1.0? | 20:06 |
| ptoohill | This will require additional user interaction, but no additional work on our behalf. | 20:06 |
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| ptoohill | Most likely | 20:06 |
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| blogan | johnsom: well this would be more on the Neutron LBaaS side, so I'd say later as a feature to go into Neutron LBaaS along with the octavia driver | 20:06 |
| johnsom | Yeah, I can agreed that it can hold for v1.0 time frame | 20:06 |
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| johnsom | Yep | 20:07 |
| ptoohill | Well, thats where some of the talks are leading though. | 20:07 |
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| ptoohill | Vijay brought up having the octavia controller handle the creation/updates for flips | 20:07 |
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| blogan | yeah but that has other issues when neutron lbaas is being used as a frontend | 20:08 |
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| ptoohill | Though, this idea is being discussed right now and dont have much more info for the tiem being | 20:08 |
| ptoohill | agreed | 20:08 |
| blogan | so yeah everyone who has an opinion on it or wants more info, read the ML thread | 20:08 |
| ptoohill | ^^ | 20:08 |
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| sballe | ok | 20:08 |
| dougwig | I think we pull too much into Octavia, in general. | 20:08 |
| johnsom | The controller seems like the logical place, we would just have to defer giving the FLIP to the user | 20:08 |
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| sballe | dougwig: +1 | 20:08 |
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| ptoohill | There is definately good reasons for having it there, one is during the HA handling. But again, this is still in 'early' discussion and input on the ML is crucial | 20:09 |
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| johnsom | ptoohill: +1 | 20:09 |
| ptoohill | pinged a user or keyword | 20:09 |
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| rohara | ptoohill: +1 | 20:10 |
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| sballe | ptoohill: So are you thinking that the controller will calle the Networkign Driver which will call Neutron, etc | 20:10 |
| dougwig | Ha fip handling is a good use case. But does not mean that all fip handling should be pulled in | 20:10 |
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| ptoohill | sballe, that is indeed the idea from what i gather. | 20:11 |
| ptoohill | dougwig, what would be 'all'? | 20:11 |
| blogan | sballe: if octavia were to do its own flip allocation then yeah that would happen | 20:11 |
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| sballe | blogan: I am not sure we want that right? | 20:11 |
| rohara | does this mean we'll have standy octavia instances for HA that just need a FLIP associated to go active? | 20:12 |
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| blogan | sballe: do you prefer the scenario where a user creates their own flip and associates it with a port? or you prefer neutron lbaas to do the flip allocation? | 20:12 |
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| ptoohill | rohara, that's a good question. That depends if we are having active-active set up, then associating a flip is all that is needed for it to go active. | 20:13 |
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| rohara | ptoohill: right. i like that approach. | 20:13 |
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| blogan | to me the right steps are 1) only allow user to associate flip to neutron lbaas vip port 2) neutron lbaas auto allocates flip and associates on behalf of user 3) investigate whether we want this in Octavia | 20:15 |
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| blogan | 2 being configurable in neutron lbaas | 20:15 |
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| blogan | anyone disagree? | 20:16 |
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| ptoohill | Going forward that sounds like a good plan. | 20:16 |
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| dougwig | +1 | 20:17 |
| blogan | okay moving on to next topic then | 20:17 |
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| blogan | #topic Reviews Needing Attentions | 20:17 |
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| blogan | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127337/ | 20:17 |
| blogan | sballe's Workflow diagram | 20:17 |
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| rm_work | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127353/ | 20:17 |
| rm_work | ^^ possibly interesting | 20:17 |
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| rm_work | though as blogan points out, probably more relevant to neutron-lbaas | 20:18 |
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| blogan | yeah you've lost your link permissions | 20:19 |
| sballe | blogan: I will work on fixing them this weekend. I have been traveling | 20:19 |
| blogan | sballe: np, i just wantedt o get some attention on it so others take a look | 20:19 |
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| sballe | thanks | 20:19 |
| blogan | also sbalukoff's amphora api spec | 20:19 |
| blogan | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126801/ | 20:19 |
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| blogan | taht needs some eyes as well | 20:19 |
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| blogan | of course he's out this week so he won't be able to respond until he gets back | 20:20 |
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| davidlenwell | I'm in the middle of reviewing that one right now.. he's asked me to actually do the coding for it.. so I'm trying to really think it through and point out anything that is ambigous | 20:20 |
| blogan | haha davidlenwell, you fell into his trap | 20:20 |
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| davidlenwell | well .. i also work with him and have been asked to make this a priority | 20:21 |
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| davidlenwell | but yes | 20:21 |
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| rm_work | http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/001/384/Atrapitis.gif | 20:21 |
| ptoohill | :P | 20:21 |
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| davidlenwell | lol | 20:22 |
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| blogan | any other reveiws people want attention on? | 20:22 |
| blogan | okay moving on | 20:23 |
| blogan | #topic Usage requirements | 20:23 |
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| jorgem | I'll take this one | 20:23 |
| blogan | some of you may remember jorgem | 20:23 |
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| blogan | he's back from management hell | 20:23 |
| jorgem | What is Octavia again? lol jk | 20:23 |
| jorgem | I will probably add this to the ML but I have some ideas for usage as I am currently building out usage requirements with Tom | 20:24 |
| jorgem | Since we are planning on using TCP, HTTP based protocols I wanted to entertain the idea of capturing logs to accurately record usage | 20:24 |
| blogan | do we ever plan on support UDP load balancing? or is that a running joke? | 20:25 |
| jorgem | I wanted to do this on our internal LBaaS product but we offer UDP which like 2 people use | 20:25 |
| jorgem | so I couldn't do it | 20:25 |
| jorgem | Using connection logs has other advantages too | 20:25 |
| ptoohill | I thought some were quite serious about supporting UDP. | 20:26 |
| jorgem | such as 1) Accurate recording of inbound and outbound traffic 2) Accurate assessment of concurrent connections, etc. 3) Serves as a debugging aid ... | 20:26 |
| blogan | it always feels like a joke, but haproxy doesn't even support it | 20:26 |
| jorgem | 4) Mitigates uncertainty into capacity management since every lb will have connection logging on by default | 20:27 |
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| ptoohill | Agreed, and that's correct, we would have to use other tools to accomplish it. | 20:27 |
| jorgem | Anyways, now that I'm typing furiously I think this is better for the ML | 20:27 |
| blogan | lol | 20:27 |
| blogan | yes probably | 20:27 |
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| TrevorV | We could send UDP over TCP right? right?... guys? | 20:27 |
| jorgem | TrevorV: negative | 20:28 |
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| rohara | UDP healthchecks are a pain | 20:28 |
| jorgem | UDP is non-realiable TCP is | 20:28 |
| blogan | sballe, johnsom: do you know exactly what usage requirements you have? | 20:28 |
| johnsom | Interesting idea, I am just wondering about approaches to handle the log processing load | 20:28 |
| blogan | as in what metrics you need to capture, how often, etc | 20:28 |
| jorgem | This model only works with protocols that allow connection logging so UDP is out of the question. | 20:28 |
| jorgem | We don't have to perform a map-reduce or anything since logs will be isolated per lb | 20:29 |
| dougwig | man, you guys are a bunch of udp haters. | 20:29 |
| dougwig | :) | 20:29 |
| jorgem | hehe | 20:29 |
| jorgem | if we do want UDP this won't work | 20:29 |
| jorgem | at least for UDP lbs | 20:29 |
| blogan | dougwig: maybe you should marry udp if you love it so much | 20:29 |
| dougwig | i embrace the uncertainty. | 20:29 |
| jorgem | I've done several usage gathering iterations and this is by far the simplest and most accurate | 20:29 |
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| davidlenwell | +1 for embracing the uncertainty | 20:30 |
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| blogan | but can the large load this will incur be handled easily? | 20:30 |
| jorgem | anyways, let's debate this on the ML. I just wanted to get it out there and see if there were any immediate objections | 20:30 |
| johnsom | I have not yet put a lot of thought into the usage requirements. There has been some talk about ceilometer being the end destination, but not much about collection. | 20:30 |
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| jorgem | correct, I think the end desitination will be, dare I say it, configurable. | 20:31 |
| blogan | johnsom: wouldn't you need something similar to what libra does? | 20:31 |
| johnsom | Someone here had talked about collecting inbound/outbound from iptables | 20:31 |
| blogan | sbalukoff was i believe | 20:31 |
| jorgem | That's one way but you would have to poll I think | 20:31 |
| jorgem | polling == complex | 20:32 |
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| jorgem | doable but logs is waaaaaay easier | 20:32 |
| johnsom | Being new to the group, I tend to be "legacy" free when it comes to libra | 20:32 |
| * TrevorV thinks the more a's you use the more accurate the statement becomes | 20:32 | |
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| blogan | johnsom: ah fresh mind | 20:33 |
| blogan | jorgem: what if a user disables logs? | 20:33 |
| jorgem | glad you asked blogan. | 20:33 |
| jorgem | I | 20:33 |
| jorgem | I'm thinking that we just don't send them to swift in that case but keep them going on behind the scenes | 20:34 |
| jorgem | for the other reasons I stated | 20:34 |
| jorgem | operations will like to see logs in order to investigate problems | 20:34 |
| rm_work | can't we get inbound/outbound from... neutron? | 20:34 |
| jorgem | I'm talking apache style logs | 20:34 |
| jorgem | or some other format | 20:35 |
| johnsom | I had been thinking about "operator" logs vs. "customer" logs. I.e. security logs, etc. from the Amphora | 20:35 |
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| jorgem | Some people might want to charge separately for headers and some may not | 20:36 |
| jorgem | This would make it easy to capture that and leave it to the operator to decide | 20:36 |
| ptoohill | but on rm_work's point, neutron would have the data of traffic passing through the network. assuming the do actually keep track of all the stats we need. Otherwise we would need to augment it | 20:36 |
| blogan | well I think we can all agree this needs more discussion on the ML | 20:36 |
| jorgem | correct. | 20:36 |
| blogan | so jorgem, make a thread | 20:36 |
| johnsom | Yes, but good topic | 20:36 |
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| jorgem | #action Jorge to start thread on usage requirements | 20:36 |
| blogan | moving on | 20:37 |
| blogan | #topic progress reports | 20:37 |
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| blogan | so I know we have the weekly ehterpad, that I apparently messed upa bit | 20:37 |
| blogan | but I'm just curious if there are any issues with any bps that have assignees | 20:37 |
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| blogan | sot eh operator-api one trevor and I ahve been working on is almost done, but some issues need to be ironed out | 20:38 |
| rm_work | I'm about to start on integrating Barbican with Octavia, assuming that's in 0.5, otherwise I'll wait a bit :P | 20:38 |
| blogan | sbalukoff has the appliance-api BP which he has a spec out for that was linked above | 20:38 |
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| johnsom | Until this week I had been making progress on a first draft for the controller spec. I want to have something to throw out there and catch arrows while I code on the image build scripts. | 20:38 |
| blogan | arrows in the knee? | 20:39 |
| johnsom | Among other places I am sure.... | 20:39 |
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| blogan | johnsom: i didnt include the controller bp because it is blocked by many sub components, so i figured it'd be a while anyway | 20:40 |
| johnsom | Yeah, but I think there were be a lot of discussion so having a starting point is probably good. | 20:40 |
| blogan | definitely | 20:40 |
| blogan | how is the base image coming along? | 20:41 |
| johnsom | I have done some experimental images and have a good line of sight on the code. I just prioritized a first draft of the controller spec. | 20:42 |
| blogan | okay cool, just wanted to get an idea | 20:42 |
| johnsom | If it is a blocker, I can re-order | 20:42 |
| blogan | btw for everyone, don't be afraid to put experimental code in gerrit as a WIP, i think that is a good chance for everyone to look at the code and give good feedback | 20:43 |
| rm_work | I think everyone is essentially going to need to develop their own base images anyway... | 20:43 |
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| blogan | i think a lot of people see WIPs as reviews that don't need eyes, but I think they should be looked at as much as possible | 20:43 |
| johnsom | Al on our team also is almost done with a first draft of his spec. Has been moving this week | 20:43 |
| blogan | rm_work: yes but getting something we can actually run as a test deploy will be a big win, even if we at RAX will be using a different image | 20:44 |
| blogan | johnsom: thanks for the updates | 20:44 |
| rm_work | yeah I guess a "devstack compatible" base image | 20:44 |
| johnsom | rm_work: Agreed, but I hope these scripts will make a nice baseline for customization and testing | 20:44 |
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| blogan | dougwig: any update on the networking bps? | 20:44 |
| blogan | i think he may be afk | 20:46 |
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| blogan | #action dougwig give update on networking driver | 20:47 |
| blogan | #topic open discussion | 20:47 |
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| blogan | anything anyone wants to talk about or just end meeting? | 20:47 |
| blogan | im going to take silence as end meeting | 20:48 |
| TrevorV | too soon | 20:48 |
| TrevorV | wait longer | 20:48 |
| blogan | no | 20:48 |
| rm_work | lol | 20:48 |
| jorgem | wait! | 20:48 |
| TrevorV | people can't all type as fast as we do | 20:48 |
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| jorgem | ok I'm done | 20:48 |
| blogan | 3 | 20:48 |
| blogan | 2 | 20:48 |
| rm_work | 7 | 20:49 |
| blogan | 1 | 20:49 |
| rm_work | 4 | 20:49 |
| blogan | #endmeeting | 20:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 15 20:49:02 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:49 |
| jorgem | :( | 20:49 |
| TrevorV | \o | 20:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2014/octavia.2014-10-15-20.00.html | 20:49 |
| blogan | thanks everyone | 20:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2014/octavia.2014-10-15-20.00.txt | 20:49 |
| ptoohill | \o | 20:49 |
| rm_work | o/ | 20:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2014/octavia.2014-10-15-20.00.log.html | 20:49 |
| jorgem | cya everyone | 20:49 |
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