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| nikhil_k | o/ | 14:01 |
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| jokke_ | o/ | 14:01 |
| kragniz | \o/ | 14:01 |
| jcook | o/ | 14:01 |
| mclaren | \o | 14:01 |
| lakshmiS | o/ | 14:01 |
| zhiyan | o/ | 14:02 |
| nikhil_k | #startmeeting Glance | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 9 14:02:14 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil_k. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:02 |
| TravT | o/ | 14:02 |
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| rosmaita_ | \o | 14:02 |
| irina_pov | o/ | 14:02 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:02 |
| ativelkov | o/ | 14:02 |
| mfedosin | o/ | 14:02 |
| rosmaita_ | good crowd today | 14:02 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 14:02 |
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| nikhil_k | heh, guess the earlier time works better | 14:02 |
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| ativelkov | And the agenda seems quite long | 14:03 |
| nikhil_k | we've a lot on agenda so, need to rush | 14:03 |
| nikhil_k | yesh | 14:03 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Juno RC | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Juno RC (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:03 | |
| nikhil_k | Please see the links and let know if there is anything missing or something that strikes out.. | 14:03 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/juno-rc2 | 14:04 |
| nikhil_k | that is what we've in the rc2 bucket atm | 14:04 |
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| nikhil_k | unless someone can approve and propose | 14:04 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1378968 | 14:04 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1378968 in glance "Metadef schema column name is a reserved word in MySQL" [Undecided,In progress] | 14:04 |
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| nikhil_k | Another note on that as a 'learning lesson' for all of us | 14:05 |
| nikhil_k | we'd a empty rc1 and too many proposals for rc2 | 14:05 |
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| nikhil_k | that was taken a bit negatively and we got a free run this time | 14:05 |
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| nikhil_k | please try to take care | 14:06 |
| TravT | yeah, a lot of these were all ready for rc1... but I guess we didn't mark them appropriately in launchpad? | 14:06 |
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| kragniz | nikhil_k: so get fixes merged in sooner for rc1? | 14:06 |
| ativelkov | This means we need to plan RC1 in advance next time | 14:06 |
| nikhil_k | yeah, we may need to exercise some rc related activites within our team | 14:06 |
| nikhil_k | ativelkov: right on | 14:06 |
| TravT | +1 | 14:06 |
| nikhil_k | kragniz: yeah, spread out the fixes into rc1 and rc2 etc | 14:07 |
| nikhil_k | so, that important ones go in rc1 | 14:07 |
| jokke_ | Empty RC1 and release directly out of that | 14:07 |
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| nikhil_k | rc2 would have fixes for some minor bugs or regression like situations | 14:07 |
| nikhil_k | finally, wayne's bug | 14:08 |
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| nikhil_k | he mentioned to me last evening | 14:08 |
| nikhil_k | however, it may hard to get it in rc2 unless some review volunteers can help in next few mins | 14:08 |
| mclaren | I +2d https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126974/ | 14:09 |
| mclaren | It's worth putting in, no? | 14:09 |
| nikhil_k | mclaren: awesome! | 14:09 |
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| nikhil_k | think so | 14:09 |
| zhiyan | this time we merged too much patches in rc2 (high rish), next time i will prefer to move those kind of change into next release but rush | 14:09 |
| zhiyan | risk* | 14:09 |
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| nikhil_k | yes, so for these kinds of things.. I feel like we need a bit of planning | 14:10 |
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| nikhil_k | and co-ordination as we may have more newer members this cycle | 14:10 |
| zhiyan | +1, we probably could have a 'official' plan for rc release | 14:10 |
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| nikhil_k | so with that, I'll let the intos begin | 14:10 |
| zhiyan | yes, we need more efforts on review | 14:10 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Introductions | 14:11 |
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| nikhil_k | so, let me do the kick off | 14:11 |
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| nikhil_k | 'm a software developer working with Rackspace primarily on Glance in the compute engineering team | 14:11 |
| nikhil_k | been working on Glance for a bit more than couple of years and have a background in HPC, large scale systems, etc. | 14:12 |
| * nikhil_k done | 14:12 | |
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| mclaren | HPC? snap! | 14:12 |
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| nikhil_k | heh | 14:13 |
| nikhil_k | no takers? | 14:13 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: 2 years + = new member? | 14:13 |
| lakshmiS | soft. engineer working on openstack for the last few years and last 6 months specifically on glance | 14:13 |
| nikhil_k | well, I felt like introducing myself to new members | 14:13 |
| mfedosin | oh, hpc... in good days i wrote mpi library for java | 14:13 |
| TravT | yeah topic says "new members"? are you wanting everybody to intro? | 14:14 |
| nikhil_k | sure | 14:14 |
| nikhil_k | s/of/for/ | 14:14 |
| nikhil_k | typo | 14:14 |
| jokke_ | how about moving that to #openstack-glance and moving on? Otherwise we'll be sitting here still tomorrow with this agenda ;P | 14:15 |
| zhiyan | hehe | 14:15 |
| kragniz | jokke_: heh | 14:15 |
| kragniz | I like cats and robots | 14:15 |
| nikhil_k | sure, then.. kind request for all those were going to log off.. | 14:15 |
| kragniz | I'm a 20 year old student from england, currently working for HP | 14:15 |
| ativelkov | I would suggest to update a wiki page | 14:15 |
| * kragniz is new member | 14:15 | |
| nikhil_k | please be on the other channel after the meeting | 14:15 |
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| ativelkov | do we have a "team" page at wiki? | 14:16 |
| nikhil_k | ativelkov: +1 | 14:16 |
| mfedosin | ativelkov, +1 | 14:16 |
| zhiyan | sounds better | 14:16 |
| nikhil_k | basically, I feel like new members should be able to say I need a review from core-reviewer | 14:16 |
| nikhil_k | whom should I go and ping? | 14:16 |
| nikhil_k | important MPs should not sit in the backlog for a long time | 14:16 |
| jokke_ | +1 | 14:16 |
| ativelkov | great | 14:17 |
| nikhil_k | having some informal energy going is vital | 14:17 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/13,members :D | 14:17 |
| nikhil_k | let's distribute these introductions over a few meetings | 14:17 |
| flaper87 | well, no irc nicks there but | 14:17 |
| ativelkov | so, lets have an AI to create a wiki page listing the active contributors and their areas of responsibility | 14:17 |
| nikhil_k | and we can hav some creative ideas going | 14:17 |
| zhiyan | ativelkov: there have one, top reviewers | 14:17 |
| nikhil_k | may be some rap songs by the team members or something that will get them attention | 14:18 |
| nikhil_k | moving on | 14:18 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Moving to v2 API | 14:18 |
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| nikhil_k | flaper87: want to take that? | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: sure :D | 14:19 |
| nikhil_k | :) | 14:19 |
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| zhiyan | it's indeed a cross-project work/topic, e.g. nova currently doesn't use image-v2. | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | Basically, I want v1 to die, painfully and slowly but not to slow as to still be part of the kilo release | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | I think that sums it up | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | That said, we can't do that yet. | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | We need to update nova, cinder and probably other services | 14:20 |
| zhiyan | but before it, we need enhance test on v2 first | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | I know arnaud has a spec for nova | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: +1 ! | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | zhiyan: we can enhance tests but I don't think that's a blocker to make it the default | 14:20 |
| kragniz | flaper87: where are the pain points with updating the other services? | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | BTW, saying "We now recommend v2" doesn't mean everyone needs to move right away | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | kragniz: saying nova is already painful | 14:21 |
| zhiyan | flaper87: imo, it's a blocker. but anyway spec is ok for push progress. | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | it's lie people saying "Voldemort" in harry potter | 14:21 |
| ativelkov | We should have some formal deprecation perios, I think | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | there will be a deprecation period | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | the plan is to mark it as deprecated in kilo | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | then remove it in igloo | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | again, saying it's deprecate doesn't mean everyone has to migrate right away | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | that's why there's a deprecation period | 14:22 |
| zhiyan | we actually proposed this is in icehouse cycle, but i think most project don't trust v2 is stable enough | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | I expect many deployments to wait for the first 2 stable kilo releases before doing so | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | zhiyan: well, f......k that. | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | +1 | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | if we don't start migrating things they'll never trust v2 | 14:22 |
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| flaper87 | and we'll never test it | 14:22 |
| zhiyan | still remember preformance issue on v2, which raised in ML | 14:23 |
| nikhil_k | so, what are the issues? can we list them ? | 14:23 |
| nikhil_k | in glance and for other projects? | 14:23 |
| hemanthm_ | so, do we backport stuff to v1 during the deprecation period? | 14:23 |
| zhiyan | we need a plan, but put test stuff on top imo | 14:23 |
| mclaren | one problem is v1 is pretty rock solid :-) | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: I'd say lets list them off meeting | 14:23 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: sounds good | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | hemanthm_: sure, if there are bugs we have to | 14:23 |
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| zhiyan | mclaren: another reason is that , most proj didn't use new feature which only v2 provided | 14:24 |
| rosmaita_ | zhiyan: our ui is going to start consuming v2 very soon, we should be able to get some performance numbers | 14:24 |
| hemanthm_ | flaper87: but not after that I'd guess | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | my main concern is updating nova | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | which has a quite outdated and messy code | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | hemanthm_: right | 14:24 |
| zhiyan | rosmaita_: nice | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita_: +2 | 14:24 |
| rosmaita_ | nova is the big one | 14:24 |
| mclaren | jaypipes may be a good contact on the nova side for this | 14:24 |
| zhiyan | rosmaita_: ify, i resolve some key points | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | and AFAIK, the spec hasn't been approved yet | 14:24 |
| jokke_ | Can we have total ff for the v1 already on kilo so no new functionality, only high+ bug fixes? | 14:24 |
| zhiyan | resovled | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | but lets work on that | 14:24 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84887/ | 14:24 |
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| zhiyan | flaper87: yep , jpipe has concers | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | zhiyan: sure, lets work on that | 14:25 |
| nikhil_k | let's get ball rolling on that one | 14:25 |
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| flaper87 | I need to know if arnoud wants to keep working on it or if I should take | 14:25 |
| * flaper87 hopes the former :P | 14:25 | |
| jokke_ | zhiyan: I think he needs to start addressing his concerns or work around them then ;) | 14:25 |
| zhiyan | of course | 14:25 |
| mclaren | nikhil_k: thanks for that link | 14:25 |
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| nikhil_k | ok, should we move on then? | 14:26 |
| zhiyan | actually, i was co-work with arnaud on that idea | 14:26 |
| flaper87 | I'll be sending an email to the m-l soon about this | 14:26 |
| flaper87 | I've a draft ready since the begining of juno | 14:26 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:26 |
| flaper87 | that's how much I hate v1 | 14:26 |
| zhiyan | the initial idea for it is about add zero-copy support in nova | 14:26 |
| kragniz | flaper87: haha | 14:26 |
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| zhiyan | which needs v2 direct iamge location feature | 14:26 |
| mclaren | flaper87: jsut bear in mind that more folks may be 'stuck' on v1 than you think (not mentioning names...) | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | zhiyan: you and me are wroking together on the COW thing so, lets work together on this too | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: yeah :( | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: good point | 14:27 |
| nikhil_k | zhiyan: flaper87 : think we should have a meeting soon on the details of this topic | 14:27 |
| jokke_ | we can keep client support for it? | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: yes | 14:27 |
| nikhil_k | listing them out seems like our priority at this point | 14:27 |
| TravT | Do we need an etherpad open on this topic to help us track this? e.g.: #link: http://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-v2-deprecation | 14:27 |
| zhiyan | flaper87: sure thing. those functional patches still in my local env | 14:27 |
| nikhil_k | TravT: +1 | 14:27 |
| rosmaita_ | speaking of the client, we should make v2 the default instead of v1 | 14:28 |
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| nikhil_k | thought there was a proposal for that | 14:28 |
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| mclaren | interesting, would build confidence in v2... | 14:28 |
| zhiyan | but frankly i still think we need to enhance v2 test first before change v2 as default | 14:28 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita_: but we can't if v1 is still the default in the server | 14:28 |
| zhiyan | i mean before deprecate v1 | 14:29 |
| kragniz | zhiyan: where is the v2 testing limited? | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | zhiyan: that's what Kilo is for | 14:29 |
| zhiyan | not strong as project needed, some key api didn't covered by tempest | 14:29 |
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| flaper87 | we'll do the final call in k-3, I think | 14:29 |
| mclaren | zhiyan: if you have details on needed v2 tests I may be able to volunteer a QA person | 14:29 |
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| nikhil_k | mclaren: done :P | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: I like the way you think | 14:30 |
| flaper87 | muahaha | 14:30 |
| zhiyan | mclaren: key one for me, afaik, direct location stuff | 14:30 |
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| jokke_ | flaper87: per default v2 Image API is enabled on the server | 14:30 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: yeah, I meant to say until we recommend v2 over v1 | 14:30 |
| mclaren | ok let me chat to the person I have in mind and see if there are spare cycles | 14:30 |
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| flaper87 | bad wording | 14:30 |
| zhiyan | sounds good, thanks | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | nothing else from me | 14:31 |
| nikhil_k | let's move on then | 14:31 |
| nikhil_k | thanks to TravT for the link for further discussion | 14:31 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Glance Summit Topics | 14:32 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: ok, well that isn't problem in a sense that as the client release cycle is not tied with OS release cycle we can do that in between already ... no need to wait for Kilo to be able to do that | 14:32 |
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| flaper87 | jokke_: yup | 14:32 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-glance-summit-topics | 14:32 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: I volunteered you to lead my proposal :P | 14:32 |
| nikhil_k | seems pretty self-explanatory | 14:32 |
| * flaper87 still needs to add a design session there | 14:32 | |
| nikhil_k | thanks to all the hard work! | 14:33 |
| zhiyan | flaper87: probably add one for store api stuff | 14:33 |
| flaper87 | Has anyone seen arnoud? There's something I'd like to gently steal from him | 14:33 |
| nikhil_k | am guessing credit goes to TravT again | 14:33 |
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| flaper87 | zhiyan: store api sounds like something we can discuss outside the design session | 14:33 |
| zhiyan | why? outside | 14:34 |
| nikhil_k | so, let's discuss all the topic next meeting if that's okay | 14:34 |
| jokke_ | zhiyan: loose quote form you "it's kind of it's own project now" ;)\ | 14:34 |
| nikhil_k | if people have cross-project topics please leave a special Note so that it would be easier for me to find | 14:34 |
| TravT | Everybody should notice that we have 4 full hours on Friday. | 14:34 |
| flaper87 | because I don't want to wast 40 mins that could be used for a more interesting session explaining what the API will look like. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126550/ | 14:34 |
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| zhiyan | nikhil_k: how many slot for glance this time? | 14:34 |
| TravT | that can be open discussion. | 14:34 |
| TravT | zhiyan: see top of that etherpad | 14:35 |
| mclaren | I think there may be a cross-project session with swift on this spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105228/ | 14:35 |
| TravT | I put them all in there | 14:35 |
| TravT | under "Schedule" | 14:35 |
| flaper87 | I'd like to talk about image conversion | 14:35 |
| flaper87 | there's a blueprint for it and no spec | 14:35 |
| zhiyan | TravT: got it | 14:35 |
| flaper87 | arnaud is assigned to that blueprint and I'd like to see if he's working on it or not | 14:35 |
| flaper87 | Is anyone interested in that topic? | 14:35 |
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| flaper87 | We've gone around it for 2 (or 3) cycles already | 14:36 |
| flaper87 | now that async tasks are there, it may be a good time to explore that topic further | 14:36 |
| nikhil_k | mclaren: mind creating a block in the etherpad. I need to let the decision (or whetever) committee know about cross topics in which GLance needs to be involved | 14:36 |
| rosmaita_ | flaper87: +1 | 14:36 |
| mclaren | yes, t hanks, I wasn't sure what the process was! | 14:36 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: +1M | 14:36 |
| zhiyan | flaper87: +1 | 14:36 |
| flaper87 | w0000000000000000000000000000000000000000t | 14:36 |
| * flaper87 writes that down | 14:37 | |
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| flaper87 | and don't you dare to steal that slot from me >.> | 14:37 |
| nikhil_k | just repeating the same in case someone missed it before:- | 14:37 |
| nikhil_k | I need to let the decision (or whetever) committee know about cross topics in which GLance needs to be involved | 14:37 |
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| nikhil_k | so please add a special note for | 14:37 |
| nikhil_k | the cross project topics | 14:37 |
| nikhil_k | in the *same* etherpad | 14:37 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: +1 | 14:38 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: k | 14:38 |
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| nikhil_k | think tentative schedule is at http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/ | 14:39 |
| nikhil_k | #link http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/ | 14:39 |
| nikhil_k | next on | 14:39 |
| TravT | quick poll, who will be going to the summit? | 14:39 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:39 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Volunteers! | 14:39 |
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| kragniz | o/ | 14:39 |
| rosmaita_ | o/ | 14:39 |
| nikhil_k | ok, let's do the poll on the other channel | 14:40 |
| nikhil_k | so, some feedback from the ptl sync meeting | 14:40 |
| nikhil_k | seems important so, wanted to bring it up today | 14:40 |
| nikhil_k | we need liaisons | 14:40 |
| * flaper87 was and still is oslo's liaison | 14:41 | |
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| zhiyan | i'd like to support flaper87 do oslo liaisons first, then take it over later | 14:41 |
| flaper87 | zhiyan: volunteered to help out | 14:41 |
| nikhil_k | so, depending on interests - please suggest your names | 14:41 |
| mclaren | security? | 14:41 |
| flaper87 | because, well, ptl happened | 14:41 |
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| nikhil_k | liaison for security fixes and such | 14:41 |
| nikhil_k | an advising member | 14:41 |
| ativelkov | o/ | 14:41 |
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| mclaren | o\ | 14:41 |
| nikhil_k | this person does *NOT* need to be a core reviewer | 14:41 |
| mclaren | d'oh | 14:42 |
| mclaren | lol | 14:42 |
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| TravT | so who would the person be liaisoning to? | 14:42 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: if core not needed o/ | 14:42 |
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| nikhil_k | TravT: still in discussion | 14:42 |
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| ativelkov | oops, my "o/" was to prev ious topic, IRC lagged for some reason | 14:43 |
| nikhil_k | however, it's concept that advisory on bugs/fetures and such would be delegated to this person | 14:43 |
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| nikhil_k | in case of conflict or concerns | 14:43 |
| zhiyan | do we really need a liaison for security fixes ? i mean anyone could do it if who familiar that stuff, e.g. particular driver | 14:43 |
| nikhil_k | sure | 14:43 |
| jokke_ | zhiyan: I think there is need to have someone to be added to the private security bugs? | 14:43 |
| nikhil_k | this is still in flux atm | 14:44 |
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| mclaren | I think its partially about taking load off the ptl | 14:44 |
| nikhil_k | however, in general think the idea makes sense | 14:44 |
| mclaren | so if someone pings nikhil about a potential security issue he can delegate | 14:44 |
| TravT | is that like the start of the czar system or something? | 14:44 |
| zhiyan | mclaren: +1 | 14:44 |
| nikhil_k | mclaren: that too and some level of expertise as well | 14:44 |
| kragniz | so this is kind of mini-ptl for security? | 14:44 |
| nikhil_k | like flaper87 is the best POC for oslo like things | 14:44 |
| mclaren | so I can put my hand up | 14:44 |
| nikhil_k | great | 14:45 |
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| nikhil_k | we can have more than one I believe | 14:45 |
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| nikhil_k | we will know | 14:45 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: LOL | 14:45 |
| nikhil_k | if you can please put your name in the *etherpad* | 14:45 |
| zhiyan | nikhil_k: i can take oslo one | 14:45 |
| nikhil_k | awesome | 14:46 |
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| nikhil_k | next off | 14:46 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Virtual Mini Summit | 14:46 |
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| nikhil_k | The idea here is | 14:46 |
| nikhil_k | to have a video conferencing call with the interested parties | 14:46 |
| nikhil_k | to have some prior discussion before the main event | 14:46 |
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| nikhil_k | it would ideall be one day long | 14:46 |
| TravT | +1 I really like that idea | 14:47 |
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| ativelkov | Good idea, but what about the timezone? :) | 14:47 |
| nikhil_k | rackspace has this new vidyo too which can support upto 50 participants | 14:47 |
| nikhil_k | tool* | 14:47 |
| mclaren | good idea -- would we need a full day? | 14:47 |
| nikhil_k | in and out of the company | 14:47 |
| TravT | what about 2 half days to better enable better timezones? | 14:47 |
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| nikhil_k | so, we can decide on the schedule | 14:47 |
| zhiyan | nikhil_k: nice, hope it provides good b/w to me | 14:47 |
| jokke_ | TravT: +1 | 14:48 |
| nikhil_k | a doodle should help to certain extent I sup | 14:48 |
| nikhil_k | zhiyan: we will have to see how it scales ;) | 14:48 |
| zhiyan | nikhil_k: your area, enhance it | 14:48 |
| nikhil_k | if many people like the idea, I can start prepping for a doodle | 14:48 |
| nikhil_k | and think about clsutering the relevant topics according to the timezone convenience | 14:49 |
| nikhil_k | can't gurantee that everyone would be in every topic | 14:49 |
| nikhil_k | however, we can try out best! | 14:49 |
| zhiyan | nods | 14:49 |
| flaper87 | +1 | 14:49 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: does that vid conf tool support recording? | 14:49 |
| nikhil_k | great... if anyone has concerns please send me a pm | 14:50 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: dunnao, will ask | 14:50 |
| kragniz | jokke_: one person could just record it if it doesn't | 14:50 |
| nikhil_k | #action (nikhil) see if vidyo supports recording or may be find an alternative way to record | 14:50 |
| jokke_ | kragniz: tru ... would just trust more if it can be done natively | 14:50 |
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| nikhil_k | 9 mins to go | 14:51 |
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| nikhil_k | so moving one | 14:51 |
| nikhil_k | #topic left over items | 14:51 |
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| nikhil_k | seems like we rushed in our previous meeting too | 14:51 |
| nikhil_k | so, if anyone had any important things to bring up soon-ish | 14:51 |
| nikhil_k | good place to do so.. | 14:51 |
| mclaren | community images? | 14:52 |
| nikhil_k | next one | 14:52 |
| nikhil_k | we will move one then | 14:52 |
| zhiyan | +1 7 | 14:52 |
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| nikhil_k | #topic community images | 14:52 |
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| kragniz | okay, so it seems people are vaguely happy with the current spec | 14:52 |
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| kragniz | the main question is whether or not to have in-band discovery of the community images | 14:53 |
| nikhil_k | rosmaita__: we are discussin community images | 14:53 |
| rosmaita__ | got netsplit or something | 14:53 |
| mclaren | I think using the same mechanism as other shared images makes sense | 14:53 |
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| mclaren | rosmaita__: thanks for your feedback again | 14:53 |
| rosmaita__ | did we discuss visibility yet? | 14:54 |
| nikhil_k | nope | 14:54 |
| kragniz | rosmaita__: not yet | 14:54 |
| kragniz | rosmaita__: any more thoughts on that? | 14:54 |
| rosmaita__ | here's my thought about discoverability | 14:54 |
| rosmaita__ | kragniz's spec allows you to find community images by GET /v2/images?visibility=community | 14:54 |
| rosmaita__ | mclaren is worried that this may actually conflict with some use cases for community images | 14:54 |
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| rosmaita__ | his use case is a provider wants to deprecate a 'public' image, but does not want to delete it because it could break, e.g., rebuilds | 14:54 |
| rosmaita__ | so the provider could make it a community image and if you already know the UUID, you can still use the image | 14:55 |
| rosmaita__ | but you couldn't discover it, so random people who really don't need to use the image, won't find it | 14:55 |
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| rosmaita__ | which is an interesting use case but i like discoverability is good, and i wonder whether community images is the proper thing for this use case the real idea is to enable self-service one-to-all sharing and maybe the deprecation use case should be handled separately? what do other people think? | 14:55 |
| mclaren | rosmaita__: I'm ok with just reusing the existing shared image discoverability | 14:55 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita__: +1 | 14:55 |
| rosmaita__ | ok | 14:55 |
| mclaren | GET /v2/images?visibility=shared | 14:55 |
| mclaren | shows all shared images community or not | 14:56 |
| mclaren | no client changes needed | 14:56 |
| mclaren | (first pass) | 14:56 |
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| mclaren | if you need to distinguish we could do a second pass (which would need a client change) | 14:56 |
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| mclaren | GET /v2/images?visibility=shared&is_community=<True|False> | 14:56 |
| rosmaita__ | how would you handle the member_status -- pending by default? | 14:56 |
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| rosmaita__ | the problem is that you don't need to be a member of a community image | 14:57 |
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| jokke_ | mclaren: Wouldn't that be bit rough for the users having used to have their small group of images visible as shared and now getting spammed vith community they wanted it or not? | 14:57 |
| mclaren | consistent with existing shared images -- yes | 14:57 |
| mclaren | jokke_: no. see my comment on a second pass | 14:57 |
| rosmaita__ | so now we have 2 non-property property filters! | 14:57 |
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| jokke_ | mclaren: saw that just after <enter> | 14:58 |
| nikhil_k | ok, sorry to interrupt | 14:58 |
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| nikhil_k | I need to take a quick poll which may help with this too | 14:58 |
| rosmaita__ | maybe need to move to ML to follow up? | 14:58 |
| rosmaita__ | or to openstack-glance channel | 14:58 |
| nikhil_k | sounds good | 14:58 |
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| nikhil_k | #topic second glance meeting during the week | 14:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "second glance meeting during the week (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:59 | |
| mclaren | I'm good to chat now if you're able | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: we're out of time | 14:59 |
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| kragniz | rosmaita__: #openstack-glance | 14:59 |
| nikhil_k | idea is to have a second no more than 30-35 mins meeting during the week | 14:59 |
| nikhil_k | please send your response to me on the other channel | 14:59 |
| zhiyan | what kind of meeting? | 14:59 |
| rosmaita_ | kragniz: mclaren: yep | 14:59 |
| nikhil_k | lets go there | 14:59 |
| zhiyan | times up | 14:59 |
| nikhil_k | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 9 14:59:58 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-10-09-14.02.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-10-09-14.02.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-10-09-14.02.log.html | 15:00 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 9 15:00:17 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello! | 15:00 |
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| deepakcs | hi all | 15:00 |
| scottda | hey | 15:00 |
| rraja | hi | 15:00 |
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| vponomaryov | hi | 15:00 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:00 |
| jasonsb | hi | 15:00 |
| xyang1 | hi | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | today let's start with the dev status update, then I have just 1 topic | 15:01 |
| bswartz | #topic dev status | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "dev status (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:01 | |
| vponomaryov | dev status: | 15:01 |
| vponomaryov | 1) Horizon with Manila | 15:01 |
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| vponomaryov | 1.1) Now available Horizon with Manila support of Juno version | 15:01 |
| vponomaryov | source: #link https://github.com/NetApp/horizon/tree/manila_juno | 15:01 |
| vponomaryov | manual: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/docs/HOWTO_use_manila_with_horizon | 15:01 |
| vponomaryov | 1.2) Modified Horizon with added share-server page in admin tab | 15:02 |
| vponomaryov | status: work in progress | 15:02 |
| vponomaryov | change: #link https://github.com/NetApp/horizon/pull/4 | 15:02 |
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| vponomaryov | 2) Manila | 15:02 |
| vponomaryov | 2.1) Added more filters for security-service list API | 15:02 |
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| vponomaryov | server BP: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/improve-security-service-list-filtering | 15:02 |
| vponomaryov | server gerrit: #link https://review.openstack.org/125569 | 15:02 |
| vponomaryov | client BP: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-manilaclient/+spec/improve-security-service-list-filtering | 15:02 |
| vponomaryov | client gerrit: #link https://review.openstack.org/126240 | 15:02 |
| vponomaryov | status: ready for review | 15:02 |
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| vponomaryov | 2.2) New BP - #link: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/functional-tests | 15:02 |
| vponomaryov | that's the main | 15:03 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: I'm going to be on vacation today/tomorrow -- anything that I need to look at before I go? | 15:03 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: one thing | 15:03 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: Manilaclient does not have "kilo" dev cycle. | 15:03 |
| bswartz | oh yes | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | fixed! | 15:04 |
| bswartz | okay thanks | 15:05 |
| bswartz | any questions on the above? | 15:05 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: thanks | 15:05 |
| bswartz | #topic design summit | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "design summit (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:05 | |
| xyang1 | was manilaclient released for Juno? | 15:06 |
| bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-manila-summit-topics | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | xyang1: it was just released | 15:06 |
| xyang1 | I don't see a tag or branch | 15:06 |
| xyang1 | ok | 15:06 |
| bswartz | xyang1: I tagged the 1.0.0 release | 15:06 |
| xyang1 | ok | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | xyang1: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/python-manilaclient/ | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | xyang1: https://github.com/openstack/python-manilaclient/releases/tag/1.0.0 | 15:06 |
| xyang1 | thanks | 15:06 |
| bswartz | back to design summit topic | 15:07 |
| bswartz | so we created the etherpad before we knew how much time we'd get in Paris | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | #link http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/ | 15:07 |
| bswartz | now we know we'll have 3 sessions on Tuesday afternoon | 15:07 |
| bswartz | so I'd like to talk about how to use them | 15:08 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: 3 sessions each 40 minutes? | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | If anyone has topics they want to discuss -- new drivers -- new features -- please add them to the etherpad, it's not too late | 15:08 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: we've already got more topic than we can cover in 3 sessions:) | 15:09 |
| bswartz | however we want to use these 3 sessions to discuss the important issues and perhaps to raise issues that might be interesting outside of just this team (because I expect a lot of people to come just to learn about manila) | 15:09 |
| bswartz | xyang1: I know :) | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | the point is that in the next week or 2 I'd like to decide what will be presented in the sessions so presenters have time to prepare | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | sadly many topics just won't fit | 15:10 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, is there a plan to have a manila support matrix (like how cinder has) ? | 15:10 |
| bswartz | manila will get a "program pod" where we can meet up when we're not in other summits sessions | 15:11 |
| bswartz | and other topics could be discussed face-to-face at the program pod | 15:11 |
| xyang1 | how long will be the program pod? | 15:11 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: sorry, but what is POD? | 15:11 |
| bswartz | Personally, I'll be spending most of my free time at the program pod (basically any time I'm not in a cinder session) | 15:12 |
| bswartz | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit#Program_pods | 15:12 |
| bswartz | honestly I'm not sure about the details -- but it will be a meeting table set aside of us | 15:12 |
| shamail | Nice. | 15:13 |
| bswartz | s/of/for/ | 15:13 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: will that be availabe any time? | 15:13 |
| bswartz | I think so | 15:13 |
| xyang1 | that's nice | 15:13 |
| bswartz | I'm sketchy on the details, and I'm assuming that every program (include us) gets a pot | 15:13 |
| bswartz | pod | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | but I'd like to talk briefly about what people see at the topic priorities for the actual design summit sessions | 15:14 |
| bswartz | and then we'll give people 1 more week to submit additional ideas, and we can vote next week | 15:14 |
| bswartz | Personally, my top priority is the networking topic | 15:15 |
| bswartz | there's a bunch of subtopics there and we can easily fill up a whole session | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | we could also choose to split a session into 2 22 minute sessions though if there are a lot of small ideas we want to run through in the public forum | 15:15 |
| bswartz | (basically we'd just put 2 topics in 1 timeslot) | 15:16 |
| bswartz | is anyone else interested in networking as one of the main topics? | 15:16 |
| shamail | +1 | 15:16 |
| xyang1 | ya, that's a good topic | 15:17 |
| deepakcs | +1 | 15:17 |
| jasonsb | +1 | 15:17 |
| vponomaryov | +1 | 15:17 |
| diemt | +1 | 15:17 |
| vponomaryov | networking and relatio to existing functionality of "share-networks" | 15:17 |
| vponomaryov | s/relatio/relation/ | 15:17 |
| bswartz | yes it would cover share servers, share networks, security services, and our integration with neturon and possibly other things | 15:18 |
| xyang1 | that can easily fill one session | 15:18 |
| bswartz | xyang1: it could fill all 3 if we let it -- but since there's a lot of other topics I want to limit it to no more than 45 minutes | 15:19 |
| xyang1 | yes | 15:19 |
| bswartz | does anyone feel strongly that another topic must be discussed as a design summit session? | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | if not, I'll make a list for next week to vote on -- it will appear in the agenda | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: service image? separate project? | 15:21 |
| bswartz | I don't think of it as a separate project -- but it would need its own git repo I think | 15:21 |
| bswartz | csaba: ping | 15:21 |
| deepakcs | or should it be a git submodule ? | 15:21 |
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| csaba | bswartz: pong | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | oh good you're here | 15:22 |
| csaba | I'm happy to discuss service image :) | 15:22 |
| bswartz | deepakcs: I'm not sure how the tools cope with git submodules | 15:22 |
| deepakcs | ok | 15:22 |
| csaba | bswartz: it has been finalized today that I'm going to the summit so that shell be possible | 15:22 |
| bswartz | Personally I like tarballs if we're going to refer to an external thing like buildroot in the service image | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | csaba: that's great news | 15:23 |
| csaba | bswartz: what's the connection? | 15:23 |
| csaba | bteween using extenrnal code and tarball preference | 15:23 |
| csaba | you mean you don't like submodules? | 15:23 |
| bswartz | csaba: I just wanted to check if we do decide to create a "stackforge/manila-image" git repo, are you happy to contribute your existing work on the manila image to that? | 15:24 |
| bswartz | is there any problems with copyright ownership or licensing that might prevent you from contributing it? | 15:24 |
| csaba | mote than happy! | 15:24 |
| csaba | *more | 15:24 |
| csaba | hm actually at the moment I have two trees, the customized buildroot and cirros that uses that s submode | 15:25 |
| bswartz | I have a repo with a customized buildroot too | 15:26 |
| csaba | it is technically feasible to not include buildroot and maintain a patch series in cirros tree but I felt that cumbersoome | 15:26 |
| csaba | so buildroot is gpl | 15:26 |
| bswartz | that one is all written by me so I could contribute it -- but it's not as functional as the cirros-derived one | 15:26 |
| bswartz | I don't think the buildroot license will be a problem as long as we don't actually distribute it | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | we just need to put a URL and a SHA1 sum in the git repo and make the build scripts pull it down | 15:27 |
| bswartz | obviously builtroot itself downloads dozesn of packages with all kinds of licenses | 15:28 |
| bswartz | we will limit the manila-image project to the actual build scripts that we write | 15:28 |
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| csaba | btw I just checked cirros is gplv2 too | 15:29 |
| bswartz | and let distributors deal with the licensing complexity | 15:29 |
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| bswartz | okay so there's stuff to talk about | 15:29 |
| bswartz | I'm not sure we need a design summit session to talk about manila-image, but maybe half of one? | 15:29 |
| bswartz | it something that interests me but maybe not many others | 15:30 |
| deepakcs | +1 | 15:30 |
| bswartz | anything else on design summit? | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | any other topics for today? | 15:31 |
| bswartz | 3.5 weeks until paris! | 15:31 |
| nileshb_ | do we have manila integrated with horizon ? | 15:31 |
| vponomaryov | nileshb_: custom | 15:31 |
| bswartz | the juno release has been stable so far | 15:31 |
| vponomaryov | nileshb_: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/docs/HOWTO_use_manila_with_horizon | 15:31 |
| bswartz | nileshb_: yes there are icehouse-compatible horizon bits | 15:31 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: juno too | 15:32 |
| xyang1 | vponomaryov: do we sync with horizon periodically | 15:32 |
| bswartz | I think we have 1 bugfix being backported to juno currently | 15:32 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: wonderful! | 15:32 |
| vponomaryov | it is part of todays dev status =) | 15:32 |
| vponomaryov | xyang1: no | 15:32 |
| nileshb_ | vponomaryov: thanks | 15:32 |
| vponomaryov | xyang1: just to make release copatible | 15:32 |
| vponomaryov | s/copatible/compatible/ | 15:33 |
| bswartz | anyways there's 1 week left before the official juno release so if anyone is still testing it's not too late to fix something before the release | 15:33 |
| xyang1 | vponomaryov: does it have everything in Horizon's juno code base? | 15:33 |
| vponomaryov | xyang1: what do you mean by "evrything"? | 15:33 |
| xyang1 | vponomaryov: I mean does it include everything that Horizon supports in Juno | 15:34 |
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| deepakcs | bswartz, vponomaryov i think we should also plan to have a support matrix page ? | 15:34 |
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| bswartz | deepakcs: yes that's a good idea | 15:34 |
| bswartz | although cinder tried the same thing and the main thing its achieved is proving that wiki pages are always out of date | 15:35 |
| vponomaryov | xyang1: there are two branches - icehouse and juno, they are appropriate versions of Horizon with Manila support | 15:35 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, cinder has it.. does it need to be done manually, or there are ways to scrounge thru and auto generate it ? ;) | 15:35 |
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| deepakcs | bswartz, but its a good place for users, devs and exploiters to check who supports what | 15:36 |
| bswartz | v1.0 should be a handmade wiki I think -- to try to get the content and format right | 15:36 |
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| deepakcs | bswartz, in fact projecting that on a screen during the design summit would be a good idea , i feel | 15:36 |
| bswartz | later on we might autogenerate something -- I know cinder is working along those lines and they might create something we can duplicate | 15:36 |
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| bswartz | deepakcs: do you want to take a try at creating the first version? | 15:37 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, sure, I can try to emulate what cinder has done. | 15:37 |
| bswartz | sounds good | 15:37 |
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| bswartz | anything else? | 15:38 |
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| bswartz | if not, my vacation starts 21 minutes early | 15:38 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: =) | 15:38 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, njoy your vacation | 15:38 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: have a nice vacation | 15:38 |
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| * bswartz will be back on Monday | 15:38 | |
| bswartz | thanks all | 15:39 |
| deepakcs | bye all | 15:39 |
| xyang1 | thanks | 15:39 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:39 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 9 15:39:07 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-10-09-15.00.html | 15:39 |
| jasonsb | good day | 15:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-10-09-15.00.txt | 15:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-10-09-15.00.log.html | 15:39 |
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| kozhukalov | hi everyone | 15:59 |
| kozhukalov | #startmeeting Fuel | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 9 16:00:07 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kozhukalov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:00 |
| kozhukalov | #chair kozhukalov | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: kozhukalov | 16:00 |
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| kozhukalov | agenda as usual | 16:00 |
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| kozhukalov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:00 |
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| kozhukalov | who is here? | 16:01 |
| mihgen | hi | 16:01 |
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| kozhukalov | are we ready to start? | 16:01 |
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| mihgen | , out of agenda, reminder on schedule | 16:01 |
| mihgen | #link , out of agenda, reminder | 16:01 |
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| mihgen | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Fuel/6.0_Release_Schedule | 16:01 |
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| mihgen | this link is better, sorry ) | 16:01 |
| bogdando | hi | 16:01 |
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| xarses | hi | 16:01 |
| ikalnitsky | o/ | 16:01 |
| vkramskikh | hi | 16:01 |
| mihgen | so we are in an active development phase of 6.0 | 16:01 |
| kozhukalov | mihgen: thanx for the link | 16:02 |
| dpyzhov | hi | 16:02 |
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| mattymo | hi | 16:02 |
| kozhukalov | ok, let's start first topic | 16:02 |
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| kozhukalov | #topic New DocImpact process for documentation (holser, bogdando) | 16:02 |
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| kozhukalov | holser: bogdando around? | 16:03 |
| bogdando | Yes | 16:03 |
| holser | yes | 16:03 |
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| holser | okey | 16:03 |
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| holser | we aligned our process to OpenStack | 16:03 |
| angdraug | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Fuel/How_to_contribute#Documentation | 16:04 |
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| holser | so every reviewer should control the patchset | 16:04 |
| irina_pov | hi to all | 16:04 |
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| kozhukalov | irina_pov: hi | 16:04 |
| mihgen | holser: that's great, thanks for pushing this forward and leading this effort until it finally succeeded | 16:04 |
| holser | and ask commiter to add DocImpact to Commit Message if the patchset requires the documentation update | 16:04 |
| holser | that’s improtant especially for Core reviewers | 16:05 |
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| holser | Our Documetation team will help to prepare good User or Development documentation | 16:05 |
| mihgen | yeah - let's put -1 if there is no DocImpact while changeset has to go with docs piece | 16:05 |
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| bogdando | and if DocImpact has been added, to ask commiter to provide explicit and clear description for the scope of changes he propose in his patch | 16:05 |
| holser | if you have any questuons, ask me on #fuel-dev I’ll help | 16:05 |
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| holser | irina_pov ^^^ | 16:06 |
| angdraug | most importantly, reviewers should make sure commit message is descriptive | 16:06 |
| bogdando | yes, so now the quolity controll of documentation is up to reviewers ;) | 16:06 |
| mihgen | commit message or bug comments ? | 16:06 |
| angdraug | commit message | 16:06 |
| holser | Commit message | 16:07 |
| mihgen | ok | 16:07 |
| holser | comments won’t be merged | 16:07 |
| bogdando | s/quolity/quality | 16:07 |
| angdraug | bug comments describe the process of fixing a bug, commit message describes the outcome | 16:07 |
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| mihgen | agree, good | 16:07 |
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| mattymo | +1 angdraug | 16:07 |
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| mihgen | thanks. Let's move to the next topic? | 16:08 |
| kozhukalov | ok | 16:08 |
| kozhukalov | #topic Fuel buid system documentation (irina_pov) | 16:08 |
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| kozhukalov | afaiu, there is a PR | 16:09 |
| irina_pov | so, I'd like guys to help me with describing fuel build system. I've used mailing list but it made little success | 16:09 |
| kozhukalov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125928/ | 16:09 |
| kozhukalov | and i had no time last week to take a look at it | 16:09 |
| kozhukalov | irina_pov: i'll take a look till the end of this week | 16:10 |
| kozhukalov | irina_pov: i promise | 16:10 |
| irina_pov | i see, but anyway I need guys to comment on modules for instance | 16:10 |
| irina_pov | kozhukalov okay, thanks! I appreciate receiving any feedback | 16:10 |
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| mihgen | irina_pov: what modules? | 16:11 |
| kozhukalov | yes, everyone who is aware about how our build system works please help to improve this doc | 16:11 |
| tzn | guys, this is extremely important, as we have some customers watinig for this | 16:11 |
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| irina_pov | mihgen like docker for instance | 16:11 |
| kozhukalov | mihgen: modules in terms of build system | 16:11 |
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| kozhukalov | mihgen: mirror, bootstrap, packages etc | 16:11 |
| kozhukalov | ok let's move on then | 16:12 |
| irina_pov | thanks! | 16:12 |
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| mihgen | kozhukalov: so will you help? | 16:12 |
| dpyzhov | irina_pov: looks like we need to talk more about it | 16:12 |
| mihgen | or should we find someone else to help too | 16:12 |
| kozhukalov | mihgen: yes | 16:12 |
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| kozhukalov | #topic authx improvements (prmtl) | 16:13 |
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| irina_pov | dpyzhov yup, any information on modules structure is strongly required | 16:13 |
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| prmtl | good progress, “must have” items from bp are on review | 16:13 |
| prmtl | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open++topic:bp/access-control-master-node-improvments,n,z) | 16:13 |
| prmtl | what is done: removed admin_token usage, ostf and nailgun have dedicated service users, support for token in cookie, asking for password during upgrade, generating new credentials for service users during upgrade | 16:13 |
| prmtl | next step: add services with endpoints to keystone (keystone itself, nailgun, ostf) for service discovery purpose | 16:13 |
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| kozhukalov | prmtl: thanx, any questions? | 16:15 |
| kozhukalov | on this topic | 16:15 |
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| xarses | prmtl: I was poking around with authx the other day, I'd like to talk to you about it later | 16:16 |
| prmtl | xarses: sure | 16:16 |
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| kozhukalov | ok, moving on then | 16:16 |
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| kozhukalov | #topic Pacemaker improvements: pcs service provder for puppet and openstack-services as well (bogdando) | 16:16 |
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| bogdando | good progress, some patches on review, some already merged | 16:17 |
| bogdando | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/pacemaker-improvements | 16:17 |
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| bogdando | monit for compute nodes implemented, and could be enabled once monit package included in ISO | 16:17 |
| bogdando | OCF scripts for heat and ceilometer improved by amqp connection status tracking | 16:18 |
| bogdando | on the road - make the same (OCF control plane) for openstack-api services | 16:18 |
| holser | I am merging them | 16:19 |
| bogdando | of cause we should have to contribute this to puppet-openstack upstream modules | 16:19 |
| bogdando | and that activity requires some additional efforts for puppet upstream contribution for service provider type for pacemaker | 16:19 |
| bogdando | I created an improvement in puppet JIRA | 16:19 |
| bogdando | so we have to port our custom Fuel 'hax' there as well :) | 16:20 |
| bogdando | #link https://tickets.puppetlabs.com/browse/PUP-3427 | 16:20 |
| kozhukalov | is it mandatory to contribute those patches into upstream? | 16:21 |
| bogdando | that would allow us to put all stateless openstack services under this new pacemaker provider, and bring it to Fuel from upstream | 16:21 |
| bogdando | it is really nice to have, otherwise we will just increase diverge significantly | 16:21 |
| tzn | this is something that community was also talking about for some time | 16:21 |
| tzn | We should contribute it back | 16:21 |
| bogdando | and neglate the efforts done with syncing our manifests | 16:21 |
| angdraug | it is mandatory to contribute back to upstream any changes we make to modules we take from upstream | 16:21 |
| bogdando | so, I believe we really should | 16:22 |
| angdraug | +1 bogdando | 16:22 |
| holser | My status: | 16:22 |
| tzn | +1. Also it will make our lifes easier | 16:22 |
| holser | I am in process ofadding Openstack OCF resources | 16:22 |
| holser | by our plan we’ll have all openstack related resources in Pacemaker (on controller) and monit on computes | 16:23 |
| holser | Tomorrow, I’ll play with Corosync 2.0 | 16:23 |
| holser | Thanks to rvyalov for Corosync 2.0 packages | 16:23 |
| mattymo | btw holser I'm seeing some issues with new corosync/pacemaker in an iso I just built | 16:23 |
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| mattymo | dependency issues, actually | 16:24 |
| holser | Blueprint also requires some efforts in services providers ... | 16:24 |
| angdraug | what about monit packages, any problems expected there? | 16:24 |
| holser | mattymo, our crm puppet provider is not compatible with corosync 2.0 | 16:24 |
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| holser | monit is already merged, | 16:24 |
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| holser | requires documenttion for Operation and Uers | 16:24 |
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| bogdando | andreaf_, I have it working at my PoC lab, so there shouldn't be much... | 16:25 |
| holser | Users* | 16:25 |
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| mattymo | so fuel-library is broken. do you have a patch for it ready yet holser ? | 16:25 |
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| bogdando | angdraug, I have it working at my PoC lab, so there shouldn't be much... | 16:25 |
| holser | I do mattymo | 16:25 |
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| holser | We can work together tomorrow | 16:25 |
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| kozhukalov | guys, great. | 16:26 |
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| kozhukalov | looks like there is no any other q here | 16:26 |
| kozhukalov | moving on | 16:26 |
| kozhukalov | #topic Juno deployment status (mattymo) | 16:26 |
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| mattymo | hi! | 16:27 |
| mattymo | A number of unfortuante changes in our build system led to more and more delays of Juno | 16:27 |
| mattymo | unfortunate* | 16:27 |
| mattymo | switching between base mirrors, package updates, etc. We encountered breakage in OSTF, bootstrap, HA, haproxy, and numerous surprise dependency issues in the past week | 16:28 |
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| mihgen | mattymo: do you confirm that now all changes in build system are settled? | 16:28 |
| mattymo | mihgen, all except pacemaker which holser mentioned | 16:28 |
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| mattymo | I can't confirm our fixes to sahara or murano (which were merged 3 days ago) because I still can't get a deployment | 16:29 |
| mattymo | but maybe tomorrow the story will change | 16:29 |
| mattymo | we're very very close to working Juno that passes all tests | 16:30 |
| mattymo | and that's it from me | 16:30 |
| kozhukalov | mattymo: thanx, great | 16:30 |
| kozhukalov | but today i had some problems with broken ruby json in juno mirror | 16:31 |
| mattymo | me too! It's fixed now | 16:31 |
| kozhukalov | great | 16:31 |
| kozhukalov | moving on? | 16:31 |
| kozhukalov | #topic 6.0 Juno builds on https://fuel-jenkins.mirantis.com/view/ISO/ (mihgen) | 16:31 |
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| kozhukalov | mihgen: do you have something on this topic? | 16:33 |
| mihgen | yeah, sorry | 16:33 |
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| mihgen | teran has to give update actually, but I'll pass from his words | 16:33 |
| mihgen | builds are ok for 6.0 there, with Juno packages | 16:34 |
| mihgen | though they are red because as mattymo says not everything fixed yet | 16:34 |
| mihgen | so they should become green once fixes are merged | 16:34 |
| mihgen | that's it. | 16:34 |
| mattymo | we need to hold off on merging features until we can get it green | 16:34 |
| mattymo | if we don't, we'll never actually get there | 16:34 |
| kozhukalov | and I saw a letter from rvyalov, his suggestion is to disable bvt for a while for juno | 16:35 |
| kozhukalov | just to be able to merge new packages if we need | 16:35 |
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| kozhukalov | for example we need mdadm for ubuntu | 16:35 |
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| angdraug | what's the bvt status for 6.0_icehouse? | 16:35 |
| kozhukalov | they work | 16:36 |
| kozhukalov | and green | 16:36 |
| angdraug | how come feature merges break juno but not icehouse? | 16:36 |
| bookwar | kozhukalov: latest one failed | 16:36 |
| kozhukalov | angdraug: rvyalov for details | 16:37 |
| mihgen | bookwar: latest what? | 16:37 |
| xarses | angdraug: ya, how come? | 16:37 |
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| mihgen | icehouse bvt? | 16:37 |
| angdraug | icehouse ubuntu bvt just failed | 16:37 |
| bookwar | staging bvt_2 with Ubuntu ha on 6.0-icehouse | 16:37 |
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| mihgen | angdraug: ok, then let's use standard process - go ahead and find a bug, revert commit which broke it | 16:38 |
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| mihgen | and then propose a proper fix.. | 16:39 |
| mihgen | anything else to discuss on this topic? | 16:39 |
| kozhukalov | ok, looks like we are done on this topic | 16:39 |
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| kozhukalov | moving on? | 16:39 |
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| mihgen | kozhukalov: yep | 16:39 |
| kozhukalov | #topic 100 nodes (salmon_) | 16:39 |
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| kozhukalov | looks like salmon is not here | 16:40 |
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| kozhukalov | ok, switching to the next topic | 16:41 |
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| kozhukalov | #topic reduce upgrade tarball size (ikalnitsky) | 16:41 |
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| ikalnitsky | hi | 16:41 |
| ikalnitsky | This week we had an active discussion about changes in infrastructure, so please welcome to review the spec: | 16:41 |
| ikalnitsky | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121591/ | 16:41 |
| ikalnitsky | angdraug, aglarendil - please take a look | 16:41 |
| ikalnitsky | Also, in last meeting I mentioned about the issue with OBS - so OBS rebuilds all packages (that are depends on some changed one) without version incrementation: | 16:42 |
| ikalnitsky | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1376694 | 16:42 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1376694 in fuel "OBS rebuilds a package, but don't increase its version number" [Critical,Confirmed] | 16:42 |
| ikalnitsky | We have turned off this OBS feature (as experiment), so I hope the tarball will get smaller in size. | 16:42 |
| ikalnitsky | What is done: We have "make mirror_diff" patch on review, and we're going to integrate it with Jenkins tomorrow. | 16:42 |
| ikalnitsky | Also, I almost done with changes to nailgun/fuel_upgrade and I'm going to test it tomorrow. | 16:42 |
| ikalnitsky | Next steps: implement "make openstack_bundle" goal in make system and create a jenkins job for it. When it's done we'll be able to build upgrade tarballs with diff-based repos and test them on CI. | 16:42 |
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| ikalnitsky | that's it. questions ? | 16:42 |
| angdraug | is 1376694 now fixed? | 16:43 |
| kozhukalov | ikalnitsky: but there is still no artifact related stuff in that patch | 16:43 |
| ikalnitsky | angdraug: I'm not sure it's fixed. we're going to test in practice. | 16:43 |
| mihgen | ikalnitsky: sounds like good progress, thanks. when do you expect the whole feature to be done and fully tested? | 16:43 |
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| ikalnitsky | kozhukalov: sorry, what do you mean? | 16:44 |
| mihgen | 1376694 unlikely fixed as far as I know, looks like serious issue | 16:44 |
| kozhukalov | ikalnitsky: it is mentioned in spec that diff mirror should be published as an artifact so as to make it possible to use this artifact for other targets and builds | 16:44 |
| ikalnitsky | mihgen: i think we need 1.5-2 weeks. | 16:44 |
| angdraug | I think fixing that bug should be a requirement for this feature | 16:45 |
| angdraug | right now, the spec mentions it as a fact, should be a work item | 16:45 |
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| mihgen | ikalnitsky: thanks, sounds great | 16:45 |
| ikalnitsky | kozhukalov: oh, got it. the artifact will be provided by jenkins. don't you think so? | 16:45 |
| kozhukalov | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1376694 | 16:45 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1376694 in fuel "OBS rebuilds a package, but don't increase its version number" [Critical,Confirmed] | 16:45 |
| mihgen | angdraug: I hope packaging team will find time any soon for that bug | 16:46 |
| ikalnitsky | angdraug: i'll add it to work item | 16:46 |
| mihgen | they really overloaded now | 16:46 |
| kozhukalov | guys, please post urls instead of just bug id | 16:46 |
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| angdraug | kozhukalov: there's a link above | 16:46 |
| kozhukalov | ikalnitsky: artifact related stuff should be implemeted in make file and then jenkins is supposed to launch those targets if necessary | 16:47 |
| angdraug | kozhukalov: where are we with artifact based build system? | 16:47 |
| kozhukalov | angdraug: yes, sorry, didn't see ) | 16:47 |
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| kozhukalov | angdraug: i don't know, my view on this stuff was slightly different | 16:48 |
| kozhukalov | we all agree that we need to have a good doc on this stuff first | 16:49 |
| angdraug | yup | 16:49 |
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| ikalnitsky | kozhukalov: should we change build system only for these goals? | 16:49 |
| ikalnitsky | kozhukalov: i mean, should we change goals that are not related to this bp? they still don't care about artifacts | 16:49 |
| kozhukalov | i believe dpyzhov is the right person to ask about where we are about artifact based build system | 16:50 |
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| kozhukalov | ikalnitsky: let's discuss this stuff tomorrow | 16:50 |
| angdraug | I'm just confused why are we discussing artifacts in context of ikalnitsky's work if abbs isn't even in progress yet | 16:50 |
| ikalnitsky | kozhukalov: ok | 16:50 |
| kozhukalov | afaiu, we have a meeting scheduled | 16:50 |
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| angdraug | ok, moving on? | 16:51 |
| kozhukalov | ok | 16:51 |
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| kozhukalov | #topic image based provisioning (demo results) (kozhukalov) | 16:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "image based provisioning (demo results) (kozhukalov) (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:51 | |
| kozhukalov | ok, today we had a demo | 16:51 |
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| kozhukalov | it was a little bit broken due to broken ruby json in juno mirror | 16:52 |
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| kozhukalov | we still have one little topic to discuss on that feature | 16:52 |
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| kozhukalov | the topic is where we should put image/not image check mark | 16:53 |
| kozhukalov | should it be a separate release or maybe just a little cluster attribute | 16:54 |
| mihgen | kozhukalov: from UX perspective, I would say checkbox on settings tab is better | 16:54 |
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| mihgen | as getting 4 releases instead of 2 in very first wizard is not that beautiful to me | 16:54 |
| kozhukalov | after short discussion with evgeniyl__ I think having just a check mark on the settings tab is ok | 16:54 |
| mihgen | so when you want your env to be provisioned with image-based, you just go to settings tab and enable checkbox | 16:55 |
| kozhukalov | yes, if nobody has other opinion on that stuff | 16:55 |
| kozhukalov | let's implement this on settings tab | 16:55 |
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| salmon_ | hi | 16:56 |
| mihgen | kozhukalov: the whole feature looks pretty solid | 16:56 |
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| kozhukalov | ok, that is it from me | 16:56 |
| mihgen | I'm wondering how many unmerged code we have on review still for it? | 16:56 |
| kozhukalov | let's go back to the topic 100 nodes (salmon_) | 16:56 |
| salmon_ | can I start? | 16:56 |
| kozhukalov | mihgen: not so much | 16:56 |
| mihgen | salmon_: let's start | 16:57 |
| kozhukalov | #topic 100 nodes (salmon_) | 16:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "100 nodes (salmon_) (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:57 | |
| mihgen | we can finish in parallel with kozhukalov ) | 16:57 |
| kozhukalov | salmon_: 2 minutes | 16:57 |
| salmon_ | ok, so we have some bugs for fuel https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1376686 https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1376426 https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1378000 https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1376680 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1379306 | 16:57 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1376686 in fuel "HA nova cluster in error state with 504 error from keystone" [High,Triaged] | 16:57 |
| salmon_ | and for openstack | 16:57 |
| salmon_ | for nailgun everything looks good. We have stats what's slow and now we are fixing it | 16:58 |
| mihgen | that's nice | 16:58 |
| salmon_ | for astute we didn't start yet because of debugging bugs | 16:58 |
| mihgen | what about that dup-IPs issue? | 16:58 |
| salmon_ | looks like dnsmasq issue | 16:58 |
| mihgen | is there a known fix? | 16:59 |
| salmon_ | see last comment https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1376680 | 16:59 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1376680 in fuel "Deploy cluster with 57 nodes failed" [High,In progress] | 16:59 |
| kozhukalov | mihgen: 5 PR, will try to split them into clear independent pieces | 16:59 |
| mattymo | Alexander Shapshnikov suggested longer leases and switching the hashing algorithm for storing leases | 16:59 |
| mihgen | what our strategy on provisioning, do we do 100 in parallel? Or we plan to do it in batches ? | 16:59 |
| mihgen | kozhukalov: thanks | 16:59 |
| kozhukalov | ok, guys 20 seconds | 16:59 |
| salmon_ | We need to check what will happen when IP is changed for node | 16:59 |
| mattymo | salmon_, got the link. I'll keep quiet) | 16:59 |
| salmon_ | in bootstrap mode | 16:59 |
| kozhukalov | let's close our meeting | 17:00 |
| mihgen | salmon_: ok, thanks | 17:00 |
| kozhukalov | thanx everyone | 17:00 |
| kozhukalov | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| mihgen | so by batches? | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 9 17:00:24 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-10-09-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-10-09-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| mihgen | or all in parallel?) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-10-09-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| hyakuhei | Hey all | 17:02 |
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| sweston | Greetings! | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | #startmeeting openstack security group | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 9 17:02:35 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| tkelsey | hello | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 17:02 |
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| nkinder | hi all | 17:02 |
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| hyakuhei | Lets have a rollcall :) | 17:02 |
| nkinder | o/ | 17:02 |
| chair6 | ello | 17:03 |
| tkelsey | here | 17:03 |
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| bdpayne | o/ | 17:03 |
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| dstanek | o/ | 17:04 |
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| hyakuhei | cool, so lets work out the agenda :) | 17:04 |
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| hyakuhei | OSSN, Bandit, Elections, Summit | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | What else? | 17:04 |
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| bdpayne | that sounds about right | 17:05 |
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| hyakuhei | cool | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | nkinder: OSSNs ? | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | #topic OSSN | 17:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OSSN (Meeting topic: openstack security group)" | 17:05 | |
| tkelsey | hyakuhei: I have that SecImpact script as well | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | Thanks Tim, we'll talk that after OSSN | 17:05 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: The main update with OSSNs is that Rob found a number of older ones that were never published on the wiki | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126203 | 17:06 |
| nkinder | I reformatted them and posted up a review for them, which Rob has been updating | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | I've done some work to bring them up to current standards | 17:06 |
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| bdpayne | ah, good catch | 17:06 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: your last patch is the first to get blocked by a gate failure too! ;) | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | woot! | 17:06 |
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| tkelsey | hehe , good work | 17:06 |
| nkinder | So our new gate jobs are working | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | Valid test I think :P | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | Completely on purpose. | 17:06 |
| nkinder | of course hyakuhei was just trying to test the gate tests... :) | 17:07 |
| tkelsey | +1 I'll buy that :P | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | lol | 17:07 |
| nkinder | So I think there are a few things that need to be adjusted to get those merged, then I'll publish them on the wiki | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | That's great work nkinder, I'll try to find time to improve them tomorrow | 17:07 |
| nkinder | I think there is no need to re-publish them on the mailing list | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:07 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: If I get a chance this afternoon, I'll update them. | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | cool, don't worry too much though, I'm happy to do it tomorrow | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | Anything else OSSN related? | 17:08 |
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| nkinder | Aside from that, 0025 needs some reviews | 17:08 |
| nkinder | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117928/ | 17:08 |
| tkelsey | looking | 17:08 |
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| nkinder | I'll give this latest version a read-through today | 17:08 |
| * bdpayne plans to do a round of security-doc reviews later today | 17:09 | |
| hyakuhei | good plan, it'd be nice to see 0025 done | 17:09 |
| nkinder | I saw that one of the other outstanding OSSN bugs was picked up this week | 17:09 |
| nkinder | as always, the queue is here... | 17:09 |
| nkinder | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/ | 17:09 |
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| sweston | bdpayne: please let me know if i can help with anything Neutron related | 17:10 |
| bdpayne | ok | 17:10 |
| nkinder | I don't believe LP#1341816 is truly in progress, so I'll switch it back to NEW so it's free for people to pick up | 17:10 |
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| nkinder | I'll probably grab it myself since it's in an area I'm familiar with | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | I think tkelsey was going to pick something up - did that happen ? | 17:11 |
| tkelsey | hyakuhei: not yet sorry, though I will pick up one asap | 17:11 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: yes, I believe so | 17:11 |
| nkinder | oh, someone else picked one up then... | 17:11 |
| tkelsey | yeah wasnt me, sorry | 17:11 |
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| nkinder | h, Doug picked up https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/+bug/1163569 | 17:11 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1163569 in ossn "security groups don't work with vip and ovs plugin" [High,In progress] | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | Ah cool, good stuff | 17:12 |
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| hyakuhei | Ok, lets talk about Bandit | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Bandit | 17:12 |
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| tkelsey | so I added a new test for HTTPSConnection, extracted from OSSN-0033 | 17:13 |
| sweston | awesome, I'll work with him on that (I am pushing the code for that) | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | tkelsey has been added to core, which is cool | 17:13 |
| rlpple | apologies for being late. | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | you're fired rlpple | 17:13 |
| rlpple | YEA!!! | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | :) Anyway - Bandit, what's next guys? | 17:13 |
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| chair6 | wiki page is at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security/Projects/Bandit | 17:13 |
| chair6 | i'm going to send another update to the mailing list | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | There's a "other project" suggestion in for Bandit at the summit too | 17:14 |
| tkelsey | I have started roughing out some ideas here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-crossproject-summit-topics | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | and I think Travis is presenting on it. | 17:14 |
| chair6 | we'll keep working on improving the framework, but really it's a case of adding tests, using the tool, and starting to make it more widely known across openstack | 17:14 |
| nkinder | well, figuring out gate integration is next I think | 17:14 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: Is Travis going to be attending the summit? | 17:15 |
| chair6 | travis's presentation didn't make the cut, iirc | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | Oh maybe he isn't presenting, maybe he just submitted- lots going on in my head atm | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah that's true | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | Ok well I'l push bandit in my talks anyway :P | 17:15 |
| tkelsey | +1 :) Bandit is awesome | 17:15 |
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| hyakuhei | but that makes the design session even more critical so please take a look at the writeup tkelsey did for a session and edit/improve as required | 17:16 |
| chair6 | sounds good .. where is the write-up at, tkelsey? | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-crossproject-summit-topics | 17:17 |
| bdpayne | this would be the etherpad linked above? | 17:17 |
| tkelsey | chair6: some notes here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-crossproject-summit-topics | 17:17 |
| nkinder | I wonder if the OSSG gate one should just be merged with Bandit | 17:17 |
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| hyakuhei | Yeah probably | 17:17 |
| nkinder | discussions about testing SSL in the gate are already under way, so there might not be a lot to hash out there once the summit comes around | 17:18 |
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| bdpayne | that would be a good thing :-) | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:19 |
| rlpple | +1 | 17:19 |
| nkinder | bdpayne: yes, though there is push back to add SSL enabled devstack as an additional job | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | Ok anything else re: Bandit? | 17:19 |
| nkinder | likely due to the increased test time and slowing the gate | 17:19 |
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| hyakuhei | This has already crossed over into Summit talk but I'll tag it anyway | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Summit | 17:19 |
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| nkinder | It might make more sense to switch the current jobs to enable SSL for everything | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | I think so | 17:20 |
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| bdpayne | if we are only going to test one, perhaps ssl is the better choice | 17:20 |
| bdpayne | but that's just me | 17:20 |
| nkinder | So rcrit has been running through tempest with SSL enabled the last few days to see if there are any issues to be fixed up first | 17:20 |
| nkinder | bdpayne: +1 | 17:20 |
| nkinder | that's what rcrit and I were thinking too | 17:20 |
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| nkinder | There were a few glance client bugs with SSL that are now being addressed. One merged yesterday, and the other is out for review. | 17:21 |
| nkinder | I'm not sure if any other failures have popped up in the tempest testing, but once we have a clean baseline we can push for enabling SSL in the gate | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | there's been a couple of "Doesnt use certificates properly" bugs in the last few days | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | mainly cinder | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | VMT has been downgrading them and I've been pushing back | 17:22 |
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| nkinder | rcrit should be coming over here to give an update on his SSL testing | 17:23 |
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| hyakuhei | oh hai rcrit ! | 17:23 |
| rcrit | hiya | 17:23 |
| bdpayne | this raises another potential summit topic... bug scoring for VMT | 17:23 |
| nkinder | rcrit: hey, was just talking about your tempest testing with SSL to prepare for enabling SSL in the gate tests | 17:24 |
| bdpayne | in fact, perhaps we should have a series of OSSG topics and run our own informal track one day | 17:24 |
| bdpayne | just find a corner and run with it | 17:24 |
| nkinder | bdpayne: yeah, we can ask for a "pod" like the other project teams get | 17:24 |
| bdpayne | another thing I'd be interested in exploring is ways to provide frameworks for richer input validation across all the projects | 17:25 |
| nkinder | rcrit: have you found anything horribly broken in tempest with SSL (other than the glance stuff we know about)? | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | good ideass | 17:25 |
| bdpayne | regex is useful, but has it's limitations | 17:25 |
| rcrit | well, tempest filled up my disk last night so I haven't yet figured out what passed and what failed | 17:25 |
| bdpayne | nkinder a pod would be great, if that's an option for us | 17:26 |
| nkinder | bdpayne: I'll ask ttx | 17:26 |
| rcrit | from a devstack-gate perspective it looks to be fairly easy to configure SSL. The TLS proxy stuff is configured in devstack as an additional service, so I think that if that is added the rest should just work (tm) | 17:26 |
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| rcrit | I need to understand better how devstack is used in the gate and whether the same VM/install is used for all tests or if a different one is used for each | 17:27 |
| nkinder | rcrit: so the question will come up about which SSL scenario the gate should test: native SSL or proxy | 17:27 |
| rcrit | if SSL and non-SSL tests are mixed in the same run it could mean using 2 different VMs | 17:28 |
| rcrit | I've been assuming proxy | 17:28 |
| nkinder | I think proxy is more real-world, but won't catch bugs in the service side SSL implementations | 17:28 |
| rcrit | It will. Even in tls proxy mode the services talk to themselves over SSL. There is no clear back channel | 17:28 |
| nkinder | proxy will flush out client-side issues in the server code for sure | 17:29 |
| nkinder | just not code around listening on SSL/processing SSL requests, right? | 17:29 |
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| rcrit | that's true | 17:29 |
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| rcrit | from what I saw, and it's typical in most servers, it's mostly just setup around the socket code. Once the request is received the same code paths are used | 17:30 |
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| nkinder | ok, so maybe there's very little to fail there. | 17:30 |
| rcrit | there is no reason both couldn't be tested | 17:30 |
| rcrit | except time and resources | 17:30 |
| nkinder | except that it bloats the gate jobs | 17:30 |
| nkinder | I think we'll have to choose one | 17:31 |
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| rcrit | well, proxy +1 for me anyway | 17:31 |
| nkinder | anyone else have an opinion on native SSL vs proxy for gate jobs? | 17:31 |
| nkinder | rcrit: yeah, I'm leaning towards proxy too | 17:31 |
| bdpayne | proxy | 17:32 |
| bdpayne | I suspect that more closely mirrors real world deployments | 17:32 |
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| nkinder | ok, well we'll see what rcrit finds in his tests and can hopefully propose enabling SSL in the gate soon | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | Interesting stuff, could probably do with a short summary of what's going on maybe as a blog post or mail to openstack-security some time? | 17:34 |
| rcrit | sure | 17:34 |
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| hyakuhei | awesome! | 17:34 |
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| hyakuhei | Ok so summit wise we are trying to get more time for the OSSG. I like the idea of trying to get a pod / our own space. The midcycle meetup demonstrated how much we can get done in those sorts of setups | 17:35 |
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| hyakuhei | Also we should do something social again, probably inviting the VMT too which seemed to work previously | 17:35 |
| bdpayne | yeah, I like both of those ideas | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | ok Anything else re: summit? | 17:37 |
| bdpayne | I know there's lots going on at the summit | 17:37 |
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| hyakuhei | Yeah busy time. | 17:37 |
| bdpayne | but I like the idea of OSSG spending time hanging out together and getting stuff done | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:37 |
| rlpple | +1 | 17:37 |
| bdpayne | we should perhaps come in with a loose agenda / set of goals | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | Agreed | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | Etherpad? | 17:37 |
| bdpayne | sure | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ossg-juno-summit | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | lol. kilo maybe. | 17:38 |
| bdpayne | heh | 17:38 |
| nkinder | ...they grow up so quick... | 17:38 |
| tkelsey | lol | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ossg-kilo-summit | 17:39 |
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| hyakuhei | ok, that should work, care to throw some things into it? | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Elections | 17:40 |
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| hyakuhei | bdpayne has graciously agreed to officiate once again | 17:40 |
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| hyakuhei | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security/OSSG_Lead_Election_Fall_2014 | 17:40 |
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| bdpayne | yeah | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | Window for candidates closes on the 19th | 17:40 |
| bdpayne | so what we need now are candidates | 17:41 |
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| bdpayne | right now we have none | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | bdpayne: I added some content to the "officials" bit | 17:41 |
| bdpayne | thanks | 17:41 |
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| hyakuhei | bdpayne: I'll stand but I don't want to ruin the drama by doing it too early :P | 17:41 |
| bdpayne | So, if you'd like to be considered for leading OSSG for the next cycle, please put your name forward! | 17:41 |
| bdpayne | Just a quick email to the list expressing your background and why you want to run would be sufficient | 17:42 |
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| bdpayne | I'll confirm that you are eligable | 17:42 |
| bdpayne | And I'll add you to the wiki page references above | 17:42 |
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| bdpayne | In the backgroud, I'll be working with Abu on figuring out who is allowed to vote this time around | 17:42 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah, the criteria are listed | 17:42 |
| bdpayne | So that we can kick off elections later this month | 17:43 |
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| bdpayne | Yeah, the criteria is listed... so it's just a matter of doing the leg work to see who meets those requirements | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | TBH I think it's highly unlikely we'll get ineligable votes, as being aware of the vote probably puts you in the electorate :) | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | but process is important | 17:43 |
| bdpayne | I need to know who to send the ballot to though | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | Yup | 17:43 |
| bdpayne | For that we need a list of email addresses... not a mailing list | 17:43 |
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| bdpayne | that's just how the system works | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah | 17:44 |
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| hyakuhei | #topic Any other business | 17:44 |
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| bdpayne | Anyway... current step is to let us know if you'd like to run | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | tkelsey: want to talk about that code you were working on today? | 17:44 |
| bdpayne | And that is all :-) | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | :) | 17:44 |
| tkelsey | hyakuhei: sure :) | 17:44 |
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| tkelsey | so hyakuhei asked about making a quick script to check if a member of the OSSG had reviewed a change marked as SecImpact | 17:45 |
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| tkelsey | I have knocked up somthing quick n dirty | 17:45 |
| nkinder | tkelsey: ah, cool | 17:45 |
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| bdpayne | groovy | 17:45 |
| nkinder | tkelsey: we need to be diligent about adding our -1/+1 then to make sure that it's accurate | 17:45 |
| tkelsey | question is how best to communicate the results, could turn it into an IRC bot or somthing | 17:45 |
| bdpayne | is now when we get embarassing graphs? :-) | 17:46 |
| tkelsey | nkinder: +1 yes for sure | 17:46 |
| nkinder | something like "47 DAYS SINCE LAST ACCIDENT" | 17:46 |
| tkelsey | LOL | 17:46 |
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| bdpayne | tkelsey I'd vote for a monthly summary or something like that | 17:46 |
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| bdpayne | reported here at the meetings | 17:46 |
| nkinder | "47 SECURITY ISSUES WAITING TO HAPPEN" maybe | 17:46 |
| bdpayne | at least as a first step | 17:46 |
| tkelsey | bdpayne: yes that can work :) | 17:46 |
| nkinder | yeah, weekly is probably good | 17:47 |
| bdpayne | it would be nice to be able to track how well we are doing with that | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | ITs a good start, hopefully we'll end up with a nice way of driving more contributions :) | 17:47 |
| bdpayne | and this data will be valuable | 17:47 |
| nkinder | I think the inverse is really useful (knowing how many we are dropping) | 17:47 |
| bdpayne | we could always have a silly award for the highest contributors | 17:47 |
| bdpayne | awarded at each summit | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah why not :) | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | Better check tkelsey's input though | 17:47 |
| tkelsey | +1 | 17:47 |
| tkelsey | how ever we want to use the data is going to be better than nothing :) so it all sounds good to me | 17:48 |
| bdpayne | like hyakuhei buys the top contributor a $100 bottle of scotch | 17:48 |
| tkelsey | I can get us the data in what ever way is seen as being best | 17:48 |
| tkelsey | +1 for scotch! | 17:48 |
| tkelsey | :-P | 17:48 |
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| hyakuhei | bdpayne: It must be Nebula's turn to by the whisky by now? | 17:49 |
| rlpple | +2 | 17:49 |
| bdpayne | heh, perhaps | 17:49 |
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| hyakuhei | Cool. Any other business guys? | 17:49 |
| bdpayne | not from this end | 17:50 |
| nkinder | nothing here | 17:50 |
| tkelsey | so we dont have much marked with SecImpact it seems https://review.openstack.org/query?q=message:SecImpact | 17:50 |
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| hyakuhei | SecurityImpact ? | 17:50 |
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| tkelsey | yeah, I have configured the script to search on a bunch of tags | 17:51 |
| hyakuhei | Good plan | 17:51 |
| hyakuhei | SecurityImpact seems to result in at least some amount of input | 17:51 |
| tkelsey | Yeah SecurityImpact turns up plenty :) | 17:51 |
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| hyakuhei | Awesome | 17:52 |
| hyakuhei | Right, anything more to add guys? | 17:52 |
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| tkelsey | nothing from me | 17:53 |
| hyakuhei | ok that's a wrap! Thank you everyone! | 17:53 |
| nkinder | thanks! | 17:53 |
| sweston | thanks :-) | 17:53 |
| tkelsey | thanks all | 17:53 |
| rlpple | thank you | 17:53 |
| hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 17:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 9 17:53:58 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-10-09-17.02.html | 17:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-10-09-17.02.txt | 17:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-10-09-17.02.log.html | 17:54 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | sahara folks, ping | 18:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting sahara | 18:02 |
| NikitaKonovalov | o/ | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 9 18:02:39 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
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| dmitryme | o/ | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:02 | |
| sreshetnyak | o/ | 18:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:02 |
| aignatov | o/ | 18:02 |
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| ylobankov1 | hello | 18:02 |
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| elmiko | o/ | 18:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ping ErikB, NikitaKonovalov, RobLevas, SergeyLukjanov, aignatov, alazarev, bob_nettleton, crobertsrh, dmitryme, elmiko, jspeidel, mattf, skostiuchenko, sreshetnyak, tellesnobrega, themistymay, tmckay, tosky, ylobankov | 18:03 |
| alazarev | o/ | 18:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 18:03 |
| tosky | o/ | 18:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #no action items from the last meetings | 18:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info no action items from the last meetings | 18:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic sahara@horizon status (croberts, NikitaKonovalov) | 18:04 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | any last moment issues w/ sahara@horizon? | 18:04 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | Ok, there is still one CR not merged yet | 18:04 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | the one that should fix job executions table | 18:04 |
| NikitaKonovalov | but that's minor one I guess | 18:05 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | everything else looks good | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | is it important for J release? | 18:05 |
| alazarev | NikitaKonovalov, what's wrong with job executions table? | 18:05 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | but honestly it's too late to include something not super-critical to J | 18:05 |
| tmckay | if you delete a cluster and leave executions that ran on it, it breaks the display | 18:06 |
| NikitaKonovalov | alazarev: It fails with exception if a cluster was deleted | 18:06 |
| tmckay | I found this yesterday :) | 18:06 |
| alazarev | NikitaKonovalov, oh | 18:06 |
| tmckay | nice fix, it works :) | 18:06 |
| NikitaKonovalov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125927/ | 18:06 |
| NikitaKonovalov | here is the fix | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | okay, it'll be the known issue I presume | 18:07 |
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| tmckay | you should be able to work around by using the CLI to delete old job executions | 18:07 |
| tmckay | then you can use the UI for job executions again | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | NikitaKonovalov, please ensure that it'll be included to stable/juno release (2014.2.1) | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, yeah | 18:07 |
| tmckay | only reason to go in there is relaunch, or check on how you submitted | 18:07 |
| NikitaKonovalov | SergeyLukjanov: ok, I'll ping horizon reviewers | 18:08 |
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| tmckay | I gave a +1 :) | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | great, let's move on | 18:08 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 18:08 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | folks, please | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info Juno RC2 successfully released https://launchpad.net/sahara/juno/juno-rc2 | 18:09 |
| tmckay | I discovered an edge case yesterday, sort of. Not sure if it's important enough to mention in the docs. | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and we've included mostly everything we've been wanted to include to Juno | 18:09 |
| elmiko | i've been doing a bunch of juno packaging for RDO, and some icehouse cleanup for rhel. the namespace/rootwrap review is looking good but i could use a few more eyes on it, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125518/ | 18:09 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, we'll include it into the first stable release for sure | 18:10 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: cool | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, do you want to approve it? :) | 18:10 |
| sreshetnyak | I rebuild all images for Sahara with bug fix for shellshock | 18:10 |
| tmckay | If you are running an isolated Sahara against devstack without an endpoint, it's not enough to fix up get_sahara_url as described here http://docs.openstack.org/developer/sahara/horizon/dev.environment.guide.html | 18:10 |
| tmckay | You have to remove the permissions for data_processing, too | 18:10 |
| sreshetnyak | all images available on http://sahara-files.mirantis.com/ | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, could you make a patch for docs please? | 18:11 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, approve elmiko fix? | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125518/11 | 18:11 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, okay | 18:11 |
| tmckay | (on both :) ) | 18:11 |
| tmckay | approved! | 18:12 |
| alazarev | I've added initial documentation to openstack manuals | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, great work | 18:13 |
| tmckay | I was running Sahara on a cluster where I'm not supposed to have admin privileges to add an endpoint :) | 18:13 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, elmiko, are you planning to make some screencasts or something like that? | 18:14 |
| elmiko | we hadn't talked about it | 18:14 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, for swift stuff? | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, elmiko it'll be really great to have some from you guys | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, elmiko for any stuff - it could be Juno overview or swift stuff | 18:15 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: i've starting writing a blog post about configuring swift proxies and whatnot | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, elmiko or awesome spark jobs demo :) | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, yay! | 18:15 |
| crobertsrh | +1 to some more sahara videos :) | 18:15 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, okay, maybe we can come up with something | 18:15 |
| elmiko | i have one up now about configuring sahara using the python client | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | NikitaKonovalov is now working on "What's new in Juno" blog post with demo screencast | 18:16 |
| tmckay | I know some guys who probably have awesome spark demos :-D | 18:16 |
| elmiko | lol | 18:16 |
| tmckay | It will have to be hdfs though | 18:16 |
| tmckay | swift for spark is still, um, custom at this point | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yeah, I'd like to popularize sahara :) | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | more blog posts, more videos ;) | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | folks, please review https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sahara/ReleaseNotes/Juno | 18:17 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: i need to add it to openstack planet, but elmiko.github.io is where i have been writing stuff about sahara and openstack | 18:17 |
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| tmckay | hmm, tellesnobrega screencast for storm would be good too | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, great! | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, exactly | 18:17 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | okay | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Juno status (SergeyLukjanov) | 18:18 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 18:18 |
| alazarev | what I don't like in current release notes is that "New Key Features" is small, but "Upgrade Notes" is huge | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | release will be next week ;) | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | as I said before rc2 happens | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | does everybody remember "ship happens"? | 18:19 |
| elmiko | alazarev: +1 | 18:19 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, agreed, we need to work on the new features part | 18:19 |
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| elmiko | i've got the rc2 tarballs deployed into the RDO infrastructure, so we are in good shape there | 18:19 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #info We need review for https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sahara/ReleaseNotes/Juno | 18:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, awesome | 18:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and we'll have debian stuff done by zigo | 18:20 |
| elmiko | nice | 18:20 |
| aignatov | hmm, alazarev, I’d like how it looks now | 18:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | let's move on | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Upcoming release schedule (SergeyLukjanov) | 18:21 |
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| aignatov | upgrade notes has the same size in page as new key features | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, please, take a look on the Kilo release schedule | 18:21 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | and the next summit will be in Vancouver | 18:22 |
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| elmiko | aignatov: i think maybe it would be better to format the "new key features" similiar to "upgrade notes", basically paragraphs instead of unordered list | 18:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, +1 | 18:22 |
| aignatov | ops, my html page was broken some how :) now I see what you meant alazarev | 18:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Design Summit @ Paris | 18:22 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | folks, we have only 3 weeks before the summit | 18:23 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | so, time to start working on sessions | 18:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-sahara-summit-topics | 18:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, please, add all of ideas to this etherpad | 18:23 |
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| crobertsrh | 5 sessions + half day meetup, right? | 18:23 |
| aignatov | will we vote for sessions as it happens in etherpad right now? | 18:23 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | and let's allocate the most part of the next meeting to define list of sessions and their contents | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, exactly | 18:24 |
| elmiko | aignatov and i are using the same color on etherpad for increased stealth ;) | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info 5 sessions + half day meetup | 18:24 |
| crobertsrh | What do we expect the "meetup" to consist of? Is it really just extra sessions? | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, let's discuss it next meeting - I'd like to initially discuss the most important topics | 18:25 |
| aignatov | SergeyLukjanov: when will the last day for proposals? | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, November 1 | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | or 2nd | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, it's a schedule-free time | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, we need to have a list of topics to discuss in a free form | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, we could do it by groups' | 18:25 |
| tmckay | or we can just write code | 18:25 |
| aignatov | tmckay: lol | 18:26 |
| elmiko | i nominate crobertsrh to bring the beverages for the meetup | 18:26 |
| crobertsrh | Ok....maybe some of the topics that don't get their own session :) | 18:26 |
| tmckay | Beverly | 18:26 |
| elmiko | lol | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and it's a good time to brainstorm some important stuff | 18:26 |
| crobertsrh | crobertsrh only brings Beverly and Bourbon | 18:26 |
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| elmiko | gaah | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | heh :) | 18:26 |
| crobertsrh | and I'm all out of Beverly | 18:26 |
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| tmckay | I'm flying through Atlanta, I'll put some in a barrel on the way | 18:26 |
| * SergeyLukjanov need to aggregate a list of great places in Paris | 18:27 | |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: +1 | 18:27 |
| crobertsrh | Yes....There is at least one '"official" party I see on the schedule. | 18:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we'll have aignatov, dmitryme, NikitaKonovalov and me from the team this time on summit | 18:27 |
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| elmiko | tmckay, crobertsrh, mattf, and me from rh | 18:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | awesome | 18:28 |
| tosky | and me | 18:28 |
| elmiko | ooh and tosky | 18:28 |
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| crobertsrh | awesome tosky! I didn't know you were going! | 18:28 |
| tmckay | and some paris rh guys I think | 18:28 |
| elmiko | yea, i almost forgot the best part =) | 18:28 |
| tosky | well, colleagues from eNovance will be there I guess | 18:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | heh, it'll be the easiest summit flight for me and Russian folks - just ~3 hours direct flight | 18:29 |
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| elmiko | nice | 18:29 |
| tmckay | well, I can't complain, Atlanta was short for me | 18:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we need to have a jetlag-fighting party the day before summit :) | 18:29 |
| elmiko | lol | 18:29 |
| tmckay | I should be there Sunday around 11am | 18:30 |
| tmckay | just in time for lunch | 18:30 |
| elmiko | i think crobertsrh and i will be there around the same time | 18:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | cool, I don't know when we'll arrive but hope not at midnight | 18:30 |
| crobertsrh | Yeah, I think we get in around 8am on Sunday | 18:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | okay | 18:31 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Specs re-org (SergeyLukjanov) | 18:31 |
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| aignatov | so, there will not be exact schedule for sessions. am I right, SergeyLukjanov ? If you say that Nov 1st is the last day for proposals, so there is no time to compose final schedule to post it in offecial site? | 18:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, there will be official schedule for 5 sessions, but meetup schedule will be maintained by me | 18:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, more than that, I'm sure that we could push updates to sessions schedule till the start of summit | 18:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, but it's better to avoid it to make other folks able to compose own schedule for summit | 18:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, talking about specs re-org | 18:33 |
| aignatov | so this link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-sahara-summit-topics contains topics for meetup? | 18:33 |
| aignatov | or for 5 sessions? | 18:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it contains topics for both sections | 18:33 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | specs | 18:34 |
| aignatov | ok, thx, sorry for interrruption, go ahead | 18:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, I'd like to propose re-org | 18:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | let me share the link | 18:34 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/ | 18:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I really like the idea of implemented / approved specs dirs | 18:34 |
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| elmiko | seems nice | 18:35 |
| alazarev | +1 | 18:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it will make us able to keep track on what stuff has been implemented and what stuff is just approved | 18:35 |
| tmckay | +1 | 18:35 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: is that page auto-generated? | 18:35 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | so, if there will be no objections I'll propose changes to specs repo later today or tomorrow | 18:36 |
| tmckay | elmiko swagger plugin | 18:36 |
| tosky | is this up-to-date or just a draft, then? http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/sahara-specs/ | 18:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, not at all, we'll need to have nested dirs for implemented / approved | 18:36 |
| elmiko | tmckay: i have been doing some research on the side | 18:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, it's an up-to-date page | 18:36 |
| aignatov | we always could see on implemented/approved blueprints because it’s actually has direct ampping for specs :) | 18:36 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: ack, still +1 for me | 18:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | more than that you could subscribe to rss on http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/sahara-specs/rss/ | 18:37 |
| aignatov | but I’m +1 for this re-org :) | 18:37 |
| crobertsrh | +1 | 18:37 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, we'll do it eventually | 18:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | cool, so, sounds like no objections right now | 18:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thanks | 18:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #agreed re-org to have approved / implemented separation for specs | 18:37 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | and I think we're fully ready to say that specs is working very good | 18:38 |
| elmiko | tmckay: i think what i'm going to do is work up an example to show off and then we can debate it's value to the project | 18:38 |
| SergeyLukjanov | to improve quality of our blueprints | 18:38 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | and IMO specs are very useful for us | 18:38 |
| tmckay | elmiko, sounds good | 18:39 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: agreed, i think we could be a little more rigorous about the depth of our specs. | 18:39 |
| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov, agreed, specs work good | 18:39 |
| elmiko | some of the specs are pretty light on details | 18:39 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, yeah, I think KIlo is a time for mandatory detailed specs | 18:39 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: +1 | 18:40 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | we could discuss it on summit and have "approved-on-summit" sign for it | 18:40 |
| elmiko | nice | 18:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | what's is the swagger plugin? | 18:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | oh, I find it | 18:41 |
| elmiko | swagger is a language agnostic spec for describing rest apis | 18:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, I have a bad news for it | 18:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | as being official OpenStack project | 18:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we need to have a WADL definition for our REST API | 18:41 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | and we need to do it early KIlo | 18:42 |
| SergeyLukjanov | probably any volunteers for it? | 18:42 |
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| elmiko | i'd be down for looking at it | 18:42 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, thank tou | 18:42 |
| crobertsrh | It does seem to jive with your swagger | 18:43 |
| tmckay | not familiar with WADL, I'll have to take a look | 18:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it's really an important thing for us | 18:43 |
| elmiko | some of swagger stuff is a super-set of WADL, so it's close | 18:43 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | we need to have it to include Sahara rest api to http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref.html | 18:43 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | that's awesome IMO to have our API exposed at this doc | 18:44 |
| alazarev | can it be partly autogenerated? | 18:44 |
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| elmiko | alazarev: ideally it is all auto-generated | 18:44 |
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| alazarev | because it looks a really huge task to write it manually | 18:44 |
| tmckay | ack, we need tooling for sure | 18:44 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yeah | 18:44 |
| tmckay | because otherwise it will never be right | 18:44 |
| elmiko | we would implement some meta-coding into the rest decorators, and similar, that will allow the creation of the api spec | 18:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'll try to find folks how have been working on it for other projects | 18:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, yup | 18:45 |
| elmiko | ideally, a properly implemented server can look at sahara as a client to autodiscover the rest api | 18:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, elmiko I'm writing you as initial assignee for this stuff, thank you! | 18:45 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: ack | 18:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Open discussion | 18:46 |
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| elmiko | tosky and i have come across some weirdness with regards to the run_tests.sh script. this pertains to ci testing as well. | 18:47 |
| tosky | yes | 18:47 |
| SergeyLukjanov | honestly it's deprecated and CI isn't using it at all | 18:47 |
| tosky | just running ./run_tests.sh -P -V --subunit , both icehouse and master branches, leads to | 18:47 |
| elmiko | ok, that answers the question | 18:47 |
| tosky | oh | 18:47 |
| tosky | so what do you use to run the tests? tox directly? | 18:47 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: is tox preferred? | 18:47 |
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| tosky | or testr directly? | 18:47 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tox and testr | 18:48 |
| tosky | (to easily extract test results) | 18:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I've never used run_tests.sh :) | 18:48 |
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| tosky | is the exact line of the runner on the sahara-ci-config repository? | 18:48 |
| tmckay | tools/with_venv.sh seems to be broken too. Path is wrong for sahara, I think | 18:48 |
| tosky | moreover: can run_tests.sh be removed if it's not used/deprecated? | 18:48 |
| tmckay | nobody seems to notice | 18:48 |
| aignatov | tmckay, alazarev : I’ve lookd at the current approach for preparing hdfs dirs with job binaries when they stored in swift | 18:48 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, it was added by mattf and I don't know anyone else who have been using it | 18:49 |
| aignatov | I think we can refactor it by using distcp job to move them directly form swift to hdfs instead of copying to sahara then to VMs then to hdfs | 18:49 |
| aignatov | I could start work on that | 18:49 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, +1 | 18:49 |
| tmckay | aignatov, yes, I think we talked about this a long time ago. +! | 18:49 |
| alazarev | aignatov, do we need them in hdfs at all? | 18:49 |
| elmiko | aignatov: should work if you have the hadoop-swiftfs stuff in there | 18:49 |
| tmckay | +1 even | 18:50 |
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| alazarev | jobs can read from swift directly | 18:50 |
| alazarev | what is the purpose of distcp? | 18:50 |
| tmckay | alazarev, hmmm, I think oozie wants hdfs | 18:50 |
| aignatov | alazarev: I think yes, that’s how edp works via oozie | 18:50 |
| tmckay | for the launcher, etc | 18:50 |
| tosky | on the other side, many of the other projects have a run_tests.sh, but they are copy and copy | 18:50 |
| alazarev | tmckay, hdfs and swift are the same level schemas, don't see difference | 18:51 |
| aignatov | oozie expects libs dir for workflow.xml, not sure how it will work with swift | 18:51 |
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| tmckay | agree with aignatov, swift paths might break oozie, no idea | 18:52 |
| alazarev | aignatov, yeap, workflow.xml need to be in swift too in this case | 18:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, IMO supporting run_tests.sh is bad because it's not used on CI | 18:52 |
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| tosky | SergeyLukjanov: ack; so, on CI, is it only a simple call for tox? | 18:52 |
| tmckay | it might work. Easy enough to play with from oozie command line | 18:52 |
| aignatov | anyway, current approach seems very rough, it’s time to change that | 18:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, yup | 18:52 |
| tosky | SergeyLukjanov: I'm digging into sahara-ci-config but I'm not sure which is the right call | 18:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, it's running tox -e integration | 18:53 |
| alazarev | aignatov, +1 | 18:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, to run tests itself | 18:53 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, and in openstack ci it runs tox -e py26/py27/pep8 etc | 18:53 |
| tosky | SergeyLukjanov: isn't -e integration for integration tests? I was looking for unit tests | 18:54 |
| alazarev | python HDFS driver could help too, but there is no good one :( | 18:54 |
| tosky | SergeyLukjanov: oh, so simple tox -e py27 I guess then | 18:54 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, oh, unit tests are executed by the openstack ci | 18:54 |
| aignatov | also oozie expects libraries put to classpath, currently they are stored in hdfs by default | 18:54 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, it's config located in openstack-infra/project-config | 18:54 |
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| tosky | SergeyLukjanov: thanks! | 18:54 |
| alazarev | aignatov, yesp, but in htfs:// form, it can be easily changed to swift:// | 18:55 |
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| tmckay | this is the longest meeting we've had in a while :) | 18:55 |
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| aignatov | maybe, need to investigate possibility of storing oozie stuff in swift | 18:56 |
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| aignatov | I’ll start work on this | 18:56 |
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| tmckay | yeah, I think we need to play with it outside of sahara, just use /opt/oozie/bin/oozie directly | 18:56 |
| SergeyLukjanov | time for lunch | 18:56 |
| aignatov | time for sleep :) | 18:57 |
| tmckay | at least 4 time zones. actually, at least 5 | 18:57 |
| tmckay | crazy | 18:57 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yeah :) | 18:58 |
| SergeyLukjanov | that's cool | 18:58 |
| alazarev | tmckay, earth is round :) | 18:58 |
| aignatov | 10:58PM for me | 18:58 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and I'm really glad that our community is growing well | 18:58 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | 11:58am :0 | 18:58 |
| tmckay | 2:58 | 18:58 |
| elmiko | yea, very cool =) | 18:58 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | thank you folks! see you in #openstack-sahara | 18:58 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 18:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 9 18:58:56 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-10-09-18.02.html | 18:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-10-09-18.02.txt | 18:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-10-09-18.02.log.html | 18:59 |
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| amitgandhinz | #startmeeting Weekly Poppy Meeting | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 9 19:00:03 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amitgandhinz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'weekly_poppy_meeting' | 19:00 |
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| amitgandhinz | #topic RollCall | 19:00 |
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| amitgandhinz | o/ | 19:00 |
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| obulpathi | o/ | 19:00 |
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| tonytan4ever | Hello | 19:01 |
| tonytan4ever | 0/ | 19:01 |
| obulpathi | malini is in meeting, will join us shortly | 19:01 |
| amitgandhinz | ok | 19:01 |
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| amitgandhinz | anyone from fastly, maxcdn, akamai, edgecast, or hybernia? | 19:02 |
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| obulpathi | looks like no one here | 19:03 |
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| amitgandhinz | =/ | 19:03 |
| megan_w_ | we need to send out agendas on tuesdays again i think | 19:03 |
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| amitgandhinz | possibly | 19:03 |
| megan_w_ | make sure they know we need them here | 19:03 |
| amitgandhinz | and hi megan_w_! | 19:03 |
| megan_w_ | hi! | 19:03 |
| obulpathi | hi megan_w_! | 19:04 |
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| amitgandhinz | #topic Review Last Weeks Items | 19:04 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2014/poppy_weekly_meeting.2014-10-02-19.00.html | 19:04 |
| amitgandhinz | so only one action item from last | 19:04 |
| amitgandhinz | week | 19:04 |
| amitgandhinz | megan_w_ to get a MaxCDN point of contact for tonytan4ever | 19:04 |
| amitgandhinz | any update on that megan_w_? | 19:05 |
| megan_w_ | amitgandhinz: meeting scheduled for next week | 19:05 |
| amitgandhinz | awesome | 19:05 |
| megan_w_ | that's what i was pinging about in the other channel | 19:05 |
| amitgandhinz | hehe i know, but i like everyone to hear it =P | 19:05 |
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| tonytan4ever | Great. | 19:05 |
| obulpathi | :) | 19:05 |
| amitgandhinz | it gets officially documented this way =P | 19:05 |
| amitgandhinz | ok | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Blueprint Updates | 19:06 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | obulpathi: list services | 19:06 |
| obulpathi | needs review | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | ok | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | miqui: add-docstrings update? | 19:07 |
| amitgandhinz | miqui: you around? | 19:07 |
| obulpathi | looks like miqui is not active on irc | 19:08 |
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| obulpathi | should we just leave this task as it is | 19:08 |
| amitgandhinz | ok lets carry on | 19:09 |
| amitgandhinz | delete-service tonytan4ever | 19:09 |
| tonytan4ever | It's under review. | 19:09 |
| tonytan4ever | So I think it's fair to change its status to Needs Review. | 19:09 |
| amitgandhinz | dns-driver - amitgandhinz - havent started it yet | 19:09 |
| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: just updated it =P | 19:09 |
| tonytan4ever | Cool. | 19:09 |
| amitgandhinz | gate-cassandra hasnt been worked on yet | 19:10 |
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| amitgandhinz | rm-mockdb - i had a patch out there but abandoned it due to gerrit issues | 19:10 |
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| amitgandhinz | i will resubmit it, but it wont be mergable until we get cassandra at the gate | 19:10 |
| obulpathi | oh, so its blocking the mockdb-rm | 19:11 |
| obulpathi | rm-mockdb, rather | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | yeh because removing mockdb requires replacing it with another db | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | we only have cassandra to replace it with | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | but that will fail all tests at the gate | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | so either we introduce sqla or put cassandra in | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | ok anything else started | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | patch? | 19:12 |
| obulpathi | I started the patch-service | 19:12 |
| obulpathi | can you please assign it to me and change status to started? | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | done | 19:13 |
| obulpathi | cool ... thanks :) | 19:13 |
| amitgandhinz | purge? | 19:13 |
| tonytan4ever | I started it. | 19:13 |
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| amitgandhinz | assigned | 19:13 |
| tonytan4ever | Sure, and I already have a partial PR for that. | 19:13 |
| amitgandhinz | cool | 19:14 |
| amitgandhinz | also the py34 is now merged =) | 19:14 |
| obulpathi | yay! | 19:14 |
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| obulpathi | so we will have py33 and py34? | 19:14 |
| amitgandhinz | for now yes | 19:14 |
| obulpathi | ok .. cool | 19:15 |
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| amitgandhinz | i will get rid of oy33 and py26 once its officially denounced | 19:15 |
| obulpathi | cool | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | ok anymore bp updates? | 19:15 |
| obulpathi | nothing else from me | 19:15 |
| tonytan4ever | I am good. | 19:16 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Make X-Project-ID Header mandatory | 19:16 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link agenda here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Poppy | 19:16 |
| amitgandhinz | so this first item came from malini who is not here | 19:16 |
| amitgandhinz | but basically, we require to always have an x-project-id in the header | 19:17 |
| amitgandhinz | so it should be mandatory | 19:17 |
| amitgandhinz | is there a reason why it shouldnt be required? | 19:17 |
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| obulpathi | I think its partially for to do with having project_id in url for some of our tests | 19:17 |
| tonytan4ever | What is the expected behavior if this header is not present ? | 19:17 |
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| tonytan4ever | 400 bad request ? | 19:18 |
| amitgandhinz | so if the id is in the url, there is already a pecan hook to take it and put it in the header | 19:18 |
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| obulpathi | right now our code check to see if its in url and then looks for in it headers | 19:18 |
| obulpathi | yes, | 19:18 |
| obulpathi | but its not mandatory to have it in headers ... thats what she is driving us to adopt I think | 19:18 |
| amitgandhinz | the only reason we support it in the url is due to Rackspace's implementation of keystone | 19:18 |
| amitgandhinz | as of keystone v3, it doesnt have to be in the header | 19:19 |
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| obulpathi | ok .. so we just need to make sure we have the the project id header in all our tests | 19:19 |
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| amitgandhinz | yeh | 19:19 |
| tonytan4ever | OK, I believe the pecan hook check X-Project-ID first, if it is not present it will look into url. | 19:19 |
| amitgandhinz | and i think with repose a filter can be used to add it to the header | 19:19 |
| obulpathi | oh ok .. cool | 19:20 |
| amitgandhinz | i think when working on zaqar we also made it mandatory in there | 19:20 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok do we all agree to make it mandatory? | 19:21 |
| obulpathi | yep | 19:21 |
| tonytan4ever | #agreed. | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | #agreed make x-project-id header mandatory | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: you just agreed to a . | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | =P | 19:21 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok moving on | 19:21 |
| tonytan4ever | #agreed make x-project-id header mandatory | 19:21 |
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| amitgandhinz | #topic handling of next/prev links in list results | 19:22 |
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| amitgandhinz | so two options here, one is to return an empty list [] | 19:22 |
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| amitgandhinz | or two, return the marker for the last item/current url in the links | 19:22 |
| amitgandhinz | i think zaqar uses option 2, but they have a constant stream of messages | 19:23 |
| amitgandhinz | what does nova do here? | 19:23 |
| obulpathi | I contacted the DRG, but have not got any response from them yet | 19:23 |
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| obulpathi | it not apparent from documentation, will look into the code and figure out how they do it | 19:24 |
| obulpathi | and get the format finalized | 19:24 |
| obulpathi | #action obulpathi to finalize on the format of the next_url for listing services | 19:25 |
| obulpathi | also for information, | 19:25 |
| obulpathi | nova does listing differently | 19:25 |
| amitgandhinz | yeh | 19:25 |
| obulpathi | its splits out only metadata first | 19:25 |
| amitgandhinz | im looking at heat and nova and they are all different | 19:26 |
| amitgandhinz | im not even seeing the marker semantics | 19:26 |
| obulpathi | like [server1, link , status] | 19:26 |
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| amitgandhinz | so im currently leaning towards option 1 | 19:26 |
| obulpathi | and then client needs to go and fetch the service for more details on server1 | 19:26 |
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| obulpathi | nyw .... option 1 is the current implementaiton | 19:27 |
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| obulpathi | s/nyw/btw ... | 19:27 |
| malini | o/ | 19:27 |
| obulpathi | hello malini :) | 19:27 |
| amitgandhinz | hi malini | 19:27 |
| amitgandhinz | do you support option 1? | 19:27 |
| tonytan4ever | ok. | 19:27 |
| malini | amitgandhinz: no | 19:27 |
| amitgandhinz | why not? | 19:28 |
| tonytan4ever | I think we should support option 1 for now, just for the sake of simplicity. | 19:28 |
| malini | with the empty list, we make it harder for clients | 19:28 |
| obulpathi | actually option 2, it even more easy | 19:29 |
| obulpathi | the edge case of next_url when there are no more items to fetch will go away | 19:29 |
| malini | now we just need to find a client developer to support me :-P | 19:29 |
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| tonytan4ever | OK, you mean it will be implemented easy | 19:29 |
| obulpathi | tonytan4ever: yes | 19:30 |
| tonytan4ever | but I would think that's confusing for client though, when you the 'next' is really the current one. | 19:30 |
| obulpathi | there won't be any peek ahead into the database to check to see if there are any more items | 19:30 |
| malini | tht is a philosophical question - what is next when there is no next? | 19:31 |
| amitgandhinz | so when there are no services, what is the marker value? | 19:31 |
| amitgandhinz | ie there is no current marker? | 19:31 |
| obulpathi | none | 19:31 |
| amitgandhinz | none or "none" lol | 19:31 |
| malini | as in '?marker=' ?? | 19:31 |
| obulpathi | yes | 19:32 |
| malini | tht doesnt look good either | 19:32 |
| amitgandhinz | how do i know im on the last page? | 19:32 |
| amitgandhinz | ie how does a client know when to stop asking for next | 19:32 |
| malini | when services is [] | 19:32 |
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| obulpathi | yes | 19:33 |
| amitgandhinz | and when services is [] then ?marker=_ | 19:33 |
| amitgandhinz | or ?marker=last_item | 19:33 |
| obulpathi | in case 1: the next_url filed is absent | 19:33 |
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| malini | I like the ?marker=last_item | 19:34 |
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| malini | but what happens when the DB has no services to return | 19:34 |
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| amitgandhinz | then there is no marker | 19:34 |
| tonytan4ever | So even if the last page of service is less than the number of limit, you are still not in the last page ? | 19:34 |
| malini | i.e do not return marker param in the url ? | 19:34 |
| malini | tht was for amitgandhinz | 19:35 |
| amitgandhinz | malini: correct | 19:35 |
| tonytan4ever | You always have to get to an empty services [] to get to last page ? | 19:35 |
| amitgandhinz | if no services, marker is not returned. | 19:35 |
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| amitgandhinz | if less than a page of items, marker is the last item | 19:36 |
| malini | I like that | 19:36 |
| amitgandhinz | if more than a page of items, marker is the last item on the page | 19:36 |
| obulpathi | amitgandhinz: yes | 19:36 |
| amitgandhinz | if on last page, marker is last item on that page | 19:36 |
| amitgandhinz | client calls that link until they get serivces = [] | 19:36 |
| amitgandhinz | during which marker is still that last itme | 19:36 |
| amitgandhinz | ok, i like that | 19:37 |
| obulpathi | thats is almost how it works now | 19:37 |
| amitgandhinz | i want feedback from devs though (eg the DRG) | 19:37 |
| malini | amitgandhinz: +1 | 19:37 |
| amitgandhinz | then move forward | 19:37 |
| amitgandhinz | ok lets revisit this topic in the channel | 19:37 |
| obulpathi | +1 | 19:37 |
| tonytan4ever | +1 | 19:37 |
| obulpathi | I already contacted them, waiting for their reply | 19:37 |
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| amitgandhinz | #topic Openstack Summit Paris Agenda | 19:37 |
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| amitgandhinz | w000000000000t!!!! | 19:37 |
| amitgandhinz | they want us | 19:38 |
| amitgandhinz | they love us | 19:38 |
| malini | WOOOOOOOTTTT!!! | 19:38 |
| obulpathi | WOOOOOOOOOOTTT!!!!!!!!!! | 19:38 |
| malini | tht is awesome <:o) | 19:38 |
| amitgandhinz | so......I will be presenting at the design summit track | 19:38 |
| obulpathi | malini: I my woot have more oo than yours :) | 19:38 |
| amitgandhinz | #link http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org | 19:38 |
| tonytan4ever | I actually like to hear 'they need us'. | 19:38 |
| malini | but I have a party cap | 19:38 |
| amitgandhinz | it will be one of the "Other project" sessions | 19:38 |
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| obulpathi | aaah | 19:38 |
| malini | amitgandhinz: you should pack some poppy for the summit ;) | 19:39 |
| amitgandhinz | the design summit differs from the main conference in that these are geared more towards design | 19:39 |
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| obulpathi | yes, it is more sort of like an unconference | 19:39 |
| obulpathi | jsut discuss your ideas | 19:39 |
| malini | it'll be really cool if we can get the CDN folks there..I mean the real ones :) | 19:40 |
| amitgandhinz | yeh | 19:40 |
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| amitgandhinz | so my plan is the following (open to ideas) | 19:40 |
| amitgandhinz | ... | 19:40 |
| amitgandhinz | do a 10 minute overview of the Poppy project | 19:40 |
| amitgandhinz | talk about the challenges | 19:40 |
| amitgandhinz | talk about what we have done so far | 19:40 |
| amitgandhinz | talk about vendor involvement | 19:40 |
| amitgandhinz | hopefully have some of the vendors interacting with Poppy present | 19:41 |
| amitgandhinz | ugh we lost megan_w | 19:41 |
| obulpathi | oops | 19:41 |
| malini | challenges —> we should also look at why similar efforts have failed in the past | 19:41 |
| amitgandhinz | #action megan_w to gauge vendor participation in Paris | 19:41 |
| amitgandhinz | malini: yes! | 19:42 |
| amitgandhinz | and then i want to spend some time discussing what is next for Poppy | 19:42 |
| amitgandhinz | ie what does the Kilo release look like | 19:42 |
| obulpathi | +1 | 19:42 |
| amitgandhinz | what will we be focused on (or should be focusing on) | 19:42 |
| amitgandhinz | what challenges are next for us | 19:42 |
| amitgandhinz | both from an architecture perspective, and a feature perspective | 19:43 |
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| amitgandhinz | the session will be 45 minutes long | 19:43 |
| tonytan4ever | SGTM. | 19:43 |
| obulpathi | +1 | 19:43 |
| amitgandhinz | any other ideas people have? | 19:43 |
| obulpathi | looks like a solid plan | 19:43 |
| malini | we also need to gauge if/how we should go the incubation route | 19:43 |
| obulpathi | +1 | 19:44 |
| malini | maybe its too early, but we need to get a feel | 19:44 |
| amitgandhinz | yeh | 19:44 |
| amitgandhinz | try to see what the interest is for this type of project in openstack | 19:44 |
| amitgandhinz | #idea try to see what the interest is for this type of project in openstack | 19:44 |
| amitgandhinz | #idea challenges —> we should also look at why similar efforts have failed in the past | 19:44 |
| amitgandhinz | #idea talk about the challenges | 19:44 |
| amitgandhinz | #idea talk about what we have done so far | 19:45 |
| malini | With the openstack tent discussions going on, there might be room ..sorry tent for us | 19:45 |
| amitgandhinz | #idea talk about vendor involvement | 19:45 |
| amitgandhinz | #idea do a 10 minute overview of the Poppy project | 19:45 |
| amitgandhinz | #idea what does the Kilo release look like | 19:45 |
| amitgandhinz | i also need/want to directly invite certain members to the session | 19:46 |
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| amitgandhinz | community members who can have a direct impact on what this team is doing | 19:46 |
| obulpathi | will it be a good point to discuss any integration with other openstack-projects? | 19:46 |
| amitgandhinz | i plan to invite designate to it | 19:46 |
| obulpathi | +1 | 19:46 |
| tonytan4ever | good idea. | 19:46 |
| amitgandhinz | potentially zaqar if we go down a message route | 19:46 |
| obulpathi | yep | 19:47 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok any other ideas? | 19:48 |
| obulpathi | so any other ideas? | 19:48 |
| amitgandhinz | jnx! | 19:49 |
| obulpathi | hhahha | 19:49 |
| malini | none from me | 19:49 |
| obulpathi | also, it would be a good idea to attend designate and other interesting projects | 19:49 |
| amitgandhinz | ok, so we can discuss the session more in the channel | 19:49 |
| amitgandhinz | obulpathi: +1 | 19:49 |
| tonytan4ever | Aside from the challenges, you also want to talk about prospects ? | 19:49 |
| obulpathi | and tell them what we are doing | 19:49 |
| malini | tonytan4ever: good point :) | 19:50 |
| tonytan4ever | To attract more interest to us. | 19:50 |
| amitgandhinz | prospects = future features? | 19:50 |
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| tonytan4ever | OK, they can be mixed up. | 19:50 |
| malini | 'prospects' should be a justification of why we should exist | 19:51 |
| malini | as in how poppy can benefit openstack | 19:51 |
| amitgandhinz | #idea how poppy can benefit openstack | 19:51 |
| obulpathi | and idea can change your life! | 19:52 |
| obulpathi | s/and/an | 19:52 |
| malini | sounds like we are in cellphone business :D | 19:52 |
| amitgandhinz | ok so i will start a first draft of the prezi and we can work on it together | 19:52 |
| obulpathi | hahhaha ... | 19:52 |
| amitgandhinz | 7 min left | 19:52 |
| malini | amitgandhinz: +1 | 19:52 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic open discussion | 19:52 |
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| obulpathi | #topic Global limit for paging | 19:53 |
| obulpathi | how about having a global limit for paging | 19:53 |
| obulpathi | tonytan4ever: do you want to discuss your idea? | 19:53 |
| amitgandhinz | is that like the default? | 19:53 |
| tonytan4ever | I am all for a global limit number | 19:53 |
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| amitgandhinz | can ya'll define global limit? | 19:54 |
| obulpathi | can you please tell us what the global limit is | 19:54 |
| obulpathi | tonytan4ever: ^ | 19:54 |
| amitgandhinz | obulpathi: stop reading my mind! | 19:54 |
| tonytan4ever | It is kind like a default, but that global default should be a configurable value. | 19:54 |
| obulpathi | amitgandhinz: sorry ..I read it little bit off this time | 19:54 |
| obulpathi | next time I will get it right :D | 19:54 |
| tonytan4ever | So any entity that needs pagination will use this default value as limit. | 19:55 |
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| amitgandhinz | so that should be defined in the conf file (and the api should define a default if its missing from the conf) | 19:55 |
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| tonytan4ever | That is good to me. | 19:56 |
| obulpathi | tony is worried that we will have too many limit options in config file | 19:56 |
| amitgandhinz | ok cool | 19:56 |
| amitgandhinz | we just need one for services and one for flavors right? | 19:56 |
| obulpathi | and he is saying that we should have a default limit for all paging stuff | 19:56 |
| amitgandhinz | any more limits? | 19:56 |
| malini | in case we end up needing separate limit for certain fields, we can always add them | 19:57 |
| obulpathi | tonytan4ever: thats what I understood. please correct me if this is not what you have in mind | 19:57 |
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| tonytan4ever | We should avoid too many paging-limit config values in our conf file/option. | 19:57 |
| malini | tonytan4ever: +1 | 19:58 |
| amitgandhinz | agreed, but i dont think 2-5 limits is a lot? | 19:58 |
| amitgandhinz | if its more than that then i agree we need a global limit | 19:58 |
| obulpathi | yeah, if we have too many then we can add | 19:58 |
| amitgandhinz | yeh | 19:58 |
| amitgandhinz | ok 1 minute remaining | 19:58 |
| malini | amitgandhinz: is that NO global limits for now? | 19:58 |
| amitgandhinz | correct | 19:59 |
| tonytan4ever | Also having a limit on each entity make our applicaiton's conf file depend on business logic | 19:59 |
| amitgandhinz | ok times up | 19:59 |
| amitgandhinz | continue in the channel plz | 19:59 |
| malini | bye | 19:59 |
| amitgandhinz | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 9 19:59:50 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/weekly_poppy_meeting/2014/weekly_poppy_meeting.2014-10-09-19.00.html | 19:59 |
| obulpathi | see you all next week | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/weekly_poppy_meeting/2014/weekly_poppy_meeting.2014-10-09-19.00.txt | 19:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/weekly_poppy_meeting/2014/weekly_poppy_meeting.2014-10-09-19.00.log.html | 19:59 |
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