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baoli#startmeeting PCI Passthrough13:00
openstackbaoli: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.  Use #endmeeting first.13:00
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baoli#endmeeting13:01
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings"13:01
openstackMeeting ended Tue Sep 30 13:01:48 2014 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)13:01
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-09-29-20.00.html13:01
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-09-29-20.00.txt13:01
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-09-29-20.00.log.html13:01
baoli#startmeeting PCI Passthrough13:02
openstackMeeting started Tue Sep 30 13:02:06 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is baoli. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:02
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baoliHi there13:02
heyonglihi13:02
rpothierhi13:02
irenabhi13:02
baolilet's start with bugs13:03
baolihttps://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/137034813:03
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1370348 in nova "Using macvtap vnic_type is not working with vif_type=hw_veb" [Undecided,Confirmed]13:03
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baoliirenab, is it ok to fix it from the nova side?13:04
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irenabaccording to Daniel comment, it should be OK to configure vlan in scope of nova13:04
irenabbaoli: fine with me. Less work on neutron side :-)13:04
baoliirenab, so do we create a vlan interface or just set the vlan in the vf?13:05
irenabbaoli: set vlan in the vf13:05
baoliirenab, ok. is itzik going to work on this?13:05
irenabbaoli: I do not think so13:06
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baoliirenab, that's fine. In that case, let me post the review soon.13:07
irenabbaoli: great, thanks13:07
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baoliheyongli, how is the resize investigation going?13:08
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heyonglii checking this problem but pull by other thing13:08
heyonglifor now13:08
heyongliresize from 1 pci to more pci devices is work..13:09
baoliheyongli, ok13:09
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heyonglibut not very carefully check , but at least host not die13:09
heyongliand OS response ok, i need to dig more to reproduce the bug13:09
baoliheyongli, that's no what I saw. Did you check the resulting domain xml, and did you try to login into the instance?13:09
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heyonglinot now , i land it to our CI, not that detail yet13:10
baoliIn the xml, the number of PCI devices are not correct, Also, I couldn't login to the instance.13:11
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heyongliok baoli , i'm gong to extern the test case . but this week is our vacation wekk13:12
heyongliweek13:12
heyonglii will not response mail  1 week and miss next meeting13:12
baoliheyongli, ok, no problem. I'll look into it as well whenever time allows13:13
heyongliok, thanks then13:13
baoliany other issues/bugs to discuss?13:14
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irenabWhat about next development, accordign to etherpad?13:14
baoliirenab, that's the next thing we'll discuss after bugs13:15
baolihttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo_sriov_pci_passthrough13:15
heyongliirenab, or anyone do you have any design about the next kilo?13:15
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baoliSo once the kilo BP/specs opens up, we should add ours13:15
sadasuI have an update...13:16
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sadasuthe Cisco UCS manager plugin now has to support non-sr-iov, regular VMs13:16
heyonglibaoli, yeah, before that we need a work partion or how to coopration13:16
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baoliheyongli, yes.13:17
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heyongliany idea?13:17
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heyonglior show many resource you guy got?13:18
irenabI think we need to see what is important to progress13:18
baoliheyongli, how about we pick up one of the first two items, one for each?13:18
heyongliok for me13:18
baoliirenab, yes, we need to agree on the priorities first.13:19
heyongliwhich one you have worked more on?13:19
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baoliheyongli, the first one13:19
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heyongliplugin/migration seems more important to us13:19
irenabwhat about number 4?13:19
heyongliok, baoli, you work more on the live migration13:20
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baoliirenab, yes, that's a good feature to have13:20
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irenabalso we probably need to have option to make nova boot to work without previously port create13:21
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irenabI'll look into number 4 for more details13:21
heyongliirenab, we seems lots of problem to altting the nova api13:22
baoliirenab, that's going to be a tough battle. But with the default added to the network, it's going to be a given13:22
baoliirenab, that's great13:22
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irenabbaoli: I also think that having number 4, will make nova boot work. But still no fullGUI support13:22
sadasulet me add that to the etherpad..I don't think it is specifically mentioned13:23
heyongliirenab, thanks we can push that by all of us13:23
heyonglisadasu, seems not, thanks13:23
heyonglifull GUI?13:23
heyongliwhat that?13:24
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irenabheyongli: work via dashboard, without cli13:24
sadasuheyongli: whats your question?13:24
baoliirenab, forgot to report that one of our engineers will enhance horizon for creating sr-iov ports13:24
irenabwith number 4 supported, still need to create network with default vnic_type associated, and this will be probably via cli13:25
sadasuheyongli: I think some folks from Cisco are starting to look at this from Horizon's pov13:25
heyongliirenab, got, thanks13:25
heyonglithanks clearify sadasu13:25
irenabsadasu: Can you please share more details?13:25
baoliheyongli, what's number 14?13:26
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heyonglibaoli, i remember lot's of people don't like whitelist and call for module solution13:27
heyongliwe can try13:27
sadasuirenab: for a minute I thought the discussion was about GUI support for sr-iov config13:27
irenabsadasu: I believe it was13:27
sadasuirenab: but now, it doesn't seem to be13:27
baoliheyongli, can you add more details into the etherpad?13:27
heyonglibaoli sure13:28
irenabplease let's have one discussion at a time :-)13:28
baolisadasu, irenab, let's talk about gui then13:28
sadasuso for a start we would like to be able to configure the diff vnic-types via Horizon during port-creation step13:28
irenabsadsu: so, it would be possible to set vnic_type per chosen network for VM?13:29
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sadasuas a stretch goal, they are also looking into displaying available PCI devices per compute host13:29
baoliirenab, it's the ability to specify vnic-types for a port in horizon13:30
sadasuirenab: that is correct13:30
baoliirenab, if you added number 4, then that should be added into horizon as well13:30
baolis/added/add13:30
irenabgiven that, do we still want default vnic_type per network?13:31
irenabbaoli: got it13:31
sadasuthere is no API that currently provides available PCI devices per compute host that Horizon can readily leaverage13:31
irenabwhich takes me to number 6 and 7 on etherpad13:32
heyonglisadasu, the api might there, i remember a extention to the host is added, but i need check it with our guy.13:32
sadasucan we also add this API to list of Kilo items on the etherpad?13:33
baoliheyongli, it doesn't seem to be merged.13:33
irenabsadsu: I think we should13:33
sadasuheyongli, can you confirm by next week's meeting?13:33
heyonglibaoli, i need check that,13:33
baoliwell, I think I'm wrong.13:33
heyongliand fill the table after i got detail13:33
baolicheck 'nova help' | grep pci13:34
heyonglisadasu, next meeting i will not attend, cause of national day of China13:34
sadasubut keep in mind that even if API is present / will be available soon, we haven't still looked into Horizon specific issues13:34
irenabDoes anyone have ideas what we desired for admin/tenant APIs?13:35
sadasuheyongli: will you be able to confirm the current status of those changes via email to the ML sometime during the week then?13:35
heyongli#AR baoli, there might some story there , i will check that any way.  about the api ext about show host13:35
heyonglisadasu, after 1 week, i can ,yes13:35
sadasuirenab: can u be more specific?13:36
sadasuheyongli: thanks...that will do13:36
heyonglithat APi not a stand alone one13:36
heyonglimight be show hyper visor thing, i fogot detail.13:36
irenabsadasu: you mentioned  'get available pci devices'. What else should be available for admin/tenant?13:36
baoliheyongli, I think it's not merged.13:37
heyongliitem 8,13:37
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heyonglibaoli, i remember because of API version things, maybe. if not, we will restarting that job i think13:38
irenabsadsu: via API/ flavor13:38
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baoliheyongli, thanks13:38
sadasuirenab: just have that one so far..and should it be admin only API?13:38
heyongliitem 8, i had something enhancement about schedule filter also, might could merge the this worklist13:38
irenabShall we go for more advanced requirements, like BW13:39
baoliheyongli, do you have a patch or spec available?13:39
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heyonglibaoli, i had one, will paste some detail after vacation13:40
baoliheyongli, sounds good13:40
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heyongliitem12, i will check that bug, i think something been addressed and some not. i will figure it out13:41
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baoliheyongli, yes, the sr-iov work that's merged have some of them addressed already13:42
irenabsadasu: regarding GUI support, is there already some patch?13:42
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sadasuirenab: no...not even close...just started looking into it yesterday13:44
irenabsadasu: thanks13:44
sadasumore importantly to see if, any action items have to be added on Nova/Neutron side to support Horizon changes13:45
baoliirenab, sadasu, how about the MD refactoring13:45
irenabsadasu: agree13:45
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sadasubaoli: wanted to discuss that if discussion for nova items are done13:46
irenab sadasu mentined some new requirements for cisco MD13:46
heyonglibaoli, irenab, refracting is good, intresting to me13:46
sadasuso the requirements for Cisco UCS manager MD now include support of non-sr-iov VMs13:47
baoliI think that we need to dedicate some time on it in next meeting13:47
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irenabon Mellanox side, there is also InfiniBand support that I need to take care of13:47
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sadasuand my feeling that this MD is going to keep evolving to support other non-sr-iov features over the next few releases13:48
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irenabbaoli: OK. I suggest we exchange some emails regarding the requirement prior the meeting, to make it more efficient13:48
sadasuso, keeping both of that in mind, how can we proceed with the refactoring?13:48
baoliirenab, let's do that, can you guys start the thread?13:49
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sadasuwe have 10 mins...lets do some now13:49
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sadasuKilo: Mellanox : InfiniBand, Cisco : Non-sr-iov13:50
baolisadasu, let's agree on the priories if we can.13:50
sadasuirenab: are you planning to add Infiniband suppport to the existing  MD?13:50
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sadasubaoli: in cisco's case, kilo support of sr-iov is not optional13:51
irenabsadsu: still not decided. There is Mellanox MD that may evolve to support it13:51
sadasuI am guessing it is the same with mlnx13:51
irenabsadasu: Will try to figure it out till next meeting13:51
irenabsadsu: yes13:52
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sadasuirenab: ok13:52
baolisadasu, irenab, let's think it through offline, and start the thread.13:52
baoliok, back to priorities13:53
irenabbaoli: fine13:53
sadasuI am wondering if we our respective neutron MDs are diverging significantly in kilo13:53
sadasubaoli: sure13:53
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baoliso 1, 2, 13 at the top of list?13:54
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irenabThe question is if we want to have code reuse for both MDs13:54
irenabbaoli: and 4?13:55
baoliirenab, yes13:55
irenabsomehow numbering is wrong now...13:55
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baoliirenab, sadasu, refactoring is important as well. If it's really something desirable, then it should be addressed in kilo.13:56
irenabbaoli: we should define what we want to achive with refactoring13:57
irenabcode reuse/ singe MD with drivers,...13:57
sadasubaoli: I consider that as Neutron priority list item13:57
sadasubaoli: let us figure of Nova priorities first13:57
baoliso nova side, 1, 2, 13, neutron side, 4, 1013:57
baoliirenab, I agree.13:58
irenabgood. Let's discuss it during our next meeting13:59
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baoliwell, time is almost up. So we still have a little time to think about. We should start the BPs/Specs, soon so that we can make it for Kilo13:59
sadasubaoli: +1 for priorities listed above13:59
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irenabit feels like something that we do not need session at the summit, agree?13:59
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baolithanks everyone. Has to end this meeting now14:00
baoli#endmeeting14:00
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baoliirenab, I put the kilo list in the kilo nova session etherpad.14:01
irenabbaoli: can you please post the link?14:01
heyonglithank, and bye14:01
baoliirenab, let me find out14:01
irenabthanks14:01
irenabheyongli: enjoy the holidays14:02
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heyongliirenab, thanks14:02
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baoliirenab: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-summit-topics14:02
irenabbaoli: thanks a lot14:03
baoliirenab, np14:03
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baoliheyongli, where are you goin?14:04
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sc68calhello all15:03
aveigahello15:03
xuhanphello15:03
baoliheloo15:03
baolihello15:03
sc68cal#startmeeting neutron_ipv615:03
openstackMeeting started Tue Sep 30 15:03:42 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:03
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john-davidgehello15:03
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sc68calJust a gentle reminder if there are any high priority bugs that we want to fix during the RC phase, let me or cores know15:06
sc68calI saw a couple get classified yesterday15:06
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john-davidgeI'd like to discuss https://review.openstack.org/#/c/87987 if possible15:07
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sc68calsure15:07
john-davidgeSpecifically using a fixed prefix for the initial IPv6 private subnet vs. a randomly generated one15:07
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baoliI want to point out that devstack is used for development, not for a real deployment15:08
john-davidgeI can see the appeal of using random generation, but I also feel that the results of running stack.sh should be predictable15:08
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sc68calI'll point out that DevStack is deployed by some in real datacenters and real equipment15:09
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sc68calstill for dev purposes, but it's not always existing on a laptop15:09
aveiga#link http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4193#section-3.2 RFC 4193 Global ID15:09
baoliaveiga, are you suggesting to incorporate the algorithm desceibed in 4193 in lib/neutron?15:10
aveigapersonally, I'll be disabling ULA addressing in our deployments15:10
aveigabaoli: if we're going to default to ULA, then yes15:10
aveigaif you're going to use it, follow the RFC15:10
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baoliaveiga, do you know any existing tools to do that?15:10
baoliaveiga, for v4, the default is 10.0.0.0/24.15:11
sc68calI suggested in my review to dd a few bytes from /dev/random and use hexdump to stringify15:11
aveigabaoli: no, I don't.  I don't know if I've said this before, but I'm not much of a programmer.  I'm a network engineer who goes deep in the RFCs and has deployment experience with IPv615:12
sc68calthen concat with the ULA block15:12
aveigaand IPv4 doesn't have a random ID requirement as RFC1918 space is never meant to route15:12
john-davidgeWould we also want to prevent the user from specifying a fixed ULA prefix? And if so should this not be a feature in Neutron?15:12
sc68calout of scope for neutron15:12
aveigajohn-davidge: nop, we should allow it since they may been joining a provider network that is preconfigured15:12
sc68calneutron assumes you understand networking and addressing15:13
aveigaI can see bare metal existing on the same l2-segment15:13
baolikeep in mind that the default can be overwritten15:13
sc68calyeah but a bad default is a bad default15:13
aveigabaoli: agreed. Defaults should be sane and follow RFC though15:13
aveigaif restacking and getting the same addresses is necessary, add the scope to your stack script15:13
sc68caljohn-davidge: a question for you, I see you are using link local addresses for everything else, including the public v6 net15:14
aveigabut sc68cal is correct that there are people deploying multi-node devstack as a real build tied to the rest of a lab network15:14
sc68calby default15:14
john-davidgeI can see what you're saying in terms of RFC complaince15:15
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sc68caljohn-davidge: can you comment on your thought process for using LLAs for the other v6 subnets that devstack creates, including the public ipv6 subnet?15:16
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baolisc68cal, the link local addr is used between the namespace and the host.15:18
john-davidgebaoli: I belive the defult addresses were part of your contributions15:18
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baolisc68cal, aveiga, ipv4 with the default of 10.0.0.0/24 has the same risk.15:24
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sc68calI disagree15:25
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sc68cal*unique* local address15:25
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baoliwhat the script does is to add a private ipv6 subnet into the network 'private'15:26
sc68calthen use LLAs15:26
sc68callike you did for all the other nets15:26
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baoliLLAs are auto generated15:27
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sc68calso then why are you setting IPV6_PUBLIC_RANGE=${IPV6_PUBLIC_RANGE:-fe80:bad:dad::/64} ?15:28
john-davidgebaoli: I think we're talking about IPV6_PUBLIC_RANGE which is set on line 9515:28
baolisc68cal, it's to setting up the router so that the gateway port and br-ex are on the same network.15:29
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baolithe ipv6 private subnet needs to be created with neutron15:30
aveigaI don't have a problem with any of this.  I just think we need to follow the RFC and generate pseudo-random scopes15:32
aveigais this really a big problem?15:32
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aveigaif it's necessary to have the same scope every time you restack, specify it in neutron subnet-create15:33
baoliBesides, the private subnet prefix can be a global IPv6 addresses.15:33
aveigaI just don't want defaults to violate RFCs, regardless of use15:33
baoliSo that the VM can communicate with the ipv6 internet15:33
baoliIn my localrc, I have it assigned with a global ipv6 prefix15:34
aveigaright, which is totally fine15:34
aveigajust change the default to not have a fully blank ULA prefix, as it violates the spec15:34
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baoliaveiga, so randomness is not required?15:35
john-davidgeaveiga: that makes sense to me, I'm sure we can do that15:35
aveigabaoli: it is for the default scope when nothing is specified15:35
baolithat sounds good to me15:35
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aveigayup, asnd that's all I recommeneded in the review15:35
john-davidgeOk great, I'll get started on that15:35
HenryGIt is easy to get a few random hex digits with uuidgen.15:35
aveiga+115:36
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baoliOk, that's fine to me as well since it doesn't sound a big task to achieve.15:36
HenryGuuidgen | sed s/-//g | cut -c 24- | sed "s/\(....\)\(....\)\(..\)/\1:\2:\3/"15:36
HenryG:)15:36
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john-davidgeHenryG: :)15:37
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HenryGThere are two bugs that should really go in Juno, but they are blocked because of string freeze15:39
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aveigaHenryG: are you referring to https://review.openstack.org/116525 ?15:40
HenryGyes, that is one15:40
HenryGThe other is https://review.openstack.org/117799 but I don't see a string there, so it should go in.15:41
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baolihttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/123744/ as well15:42
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haleybjohn-davidge: and there's always the python random library that we already use for MAC address generation15:43
xuhanphttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/101433/ this one has been moved out of RC1 as well15:43
HenryGbaoli: That is a client change, not dependent on release cycle.15:43
baoliHenryG, I see.15:44
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john-davidgehaleyb: Thanks, will take a look15:44
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HenryGxuhanp: Thanks, I lost track of that one :(  I kinda thought it was already merged.15:45
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xuhanpyep. we got a -1 which requires some clarifications. Now it gets removed.15:46
HenryGSo we have three patches that we want to campaign for getting in RC2.15:46
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adrian_otto#startmeeting containers16:00
openstackadrian_otto: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.  Use #endmeeting first.16:00
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adrian_ottooh, neutron needs to finish16:00
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adrian_ottois the neutron meeting still active, or has it gone idle?16:01
coolsvapsc68cal, need to end ipv6 meeting16:01
coolsvapi think its idle16:01
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mspreitzsc68cal is host16:02
adrian_ottomspreitz: thanks16:02
mspreitzsc68cal: are you still there?16:02
sc68cal#endmeeting16:02
sc68calsorry16:02
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adrian_ottothanks sc68cal16:02
adrian_otto#startmeeting containers16:02
openstackMeeting started Tue Sep 30 16:02:53 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:02
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adrian_otto#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers Our Agenda16:03
adrian_otto#topic Roll Call16:03
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adrian_ottoAdrian Otto16:03
Slowero/16:03
SlowerIan Main16:03
dguryanovDmitry Guryanov16:03
mspreitzo/16:03
diga_diga16:03
nshaikho/ Navid16:03
mtesauroo/16:03
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adrian_ottoI am going to add one item to the agenda before we begin16:03
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adrian_otto#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2014-09-30_1600_UTC Our Updated Agenda16:05
nshaikhokay16:06
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adrian_ottook, welcome everyone16:06
adrian_otto#topic Announcements16:06
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adrian_ottoany announcements from attendees?16:07
adrian_otto#topic Review Action Items16:07
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adrian_ottoadrian_otto to coordinate a follow-up about Gantt, to help the containers team understand its readiness plans, and how they may be applied in our work.16:07
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adrian_ottoStatus: In Progress. ISC meeting planned for this week to discuss further. Time TBD16:07
diga_ok16:08
iqbalmohomedis the discussion open?16:08
iqbalmohomedon irc?16:08
mspreitzISC?16:08
adrian_ottoyes, we will discuss in the #openstack-containers channel16:08
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iqbalmohomedok .. great .. I'll keep an eye on the mailing list16:08
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adrian_ottoupdate: Meeting time is set for 1600 UTC tomorrow in #openstack-containers16:09
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nshaikhokay16:10
adrian_ottochannel is logged, so transcripts will be available if you are interested but can not attend, or will be otherwise offline16:10
adrian_ottoon, next topic16:10
adrian_otto#topic Containers Service (Magnum) API16:10
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adrian_ottodiga_ has been working on some initial API code16:11
adrian_ottoand I have started to informally review it16:11
adrian_ottohttps://github.com/digambar15/magnum16:11
diga_yep16:11
adrian_ottoI hope to get this into a dedicated project repo with Gerrit soon to aid in the review discussions16:11
diga_I'll try to complete db implementation part by end of this we16:11
diga_week16:11
adrian_ottoI will take that as a formal AI16:11
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nshaikhdiga_, how are we tracking the features?16:12
adrian_otto#action adrian_otto to follow up about the Magnum project repo, and revise the config review as needed16:12
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adrian_ottonshaikh: We should probably use an LP project for that, using blueprints16:12
mspreitzHave I missed something, or is there no actual model for containers there yet?16:12
diga_currently I am writting POST, GET, DELTE apis for containers16:13
adrian_ottoSlower:  you expressed an interest in working on the API code16:13
adrian_ottodid you get a chance to connect with diga on that?16:13
nshaikhdiga_, okay16:13
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diga_yes16:13
diga_nshaikh16:13
adrian_ottomspreitz: we are in an active design phase. The first step is to mock up the API using some disposable code, and iterate ont aht a bit16:14
diga_Slower, you can contact me on IRC, let discuss things there16:14
adrian_ottoso once we feel comfortable with it, we can flesh that out16:14
mspreitzno criticism, just wanted to be sure I did not miss something16:14
adrian_ottowe do have the spec proposal16:14
diga_yes, adrian16:15
mspreitzIs there an intention to include something like the pod concept from Google?16:15
adrian_ottomspreitz: have you seen that?16:15
mspreitzI guess not16:15
adrian_ottoI will get a link to that, one moment.16:15
adrian_otto#link https://review.openstack.org/114044 Spec Proposal16:16
adrian_ottomspreitz: the concept of pods is something that could be implemented in a higher order service.16:17
adrian_ottoif it makes sense to build it into Magnum, I think that's something we are willing to discuss.16:17
mspreitzthanks for the pointer.  Will study.16:17
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mspreitzI think the pod concept gives you something critical: a way to wrap up into a self-contained bundle all the host-specific stuff that Docker API exposes.16:18
adrian_ottook, so everyone please look through the code that diga posted at https://github.com/digambar15/magnum and start to get our feedback in a discussion in #openstack-containers16:18
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diga_yes16:19
nshaikhdiga_, adrian_otto : Are we looking at consuming docker-py <https://github.com/docker/docker-py> or docker binary?16:20
iqbalmohomedwill do16:20
adrian_ottomspreitz: agreed. What we have not yet talked about is how much to build into OpenStack, and how much we will rely on consumers of the API to implement aditional features16:20
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adrian_ottoI think we'll want to set some guidelines around that.16:20
mspreitzmy point is that a cloud API should not have users talking about host specific names and numbers16:21
adrian_ottoone approach would be to try and keep Magnum as lean as reasonably possible, and provide an extension mechanism, as we do with our other services, and allow some experimental innovation to happen in community projects16:21
mspreitzIMO, a reasonable cloud API would not expose host ports, host filesystem paths, etc16:22
adrian_ottomspreitz: the API that produces instances does need to allow that, but a higher level API that takes container images, may not need to offer that.16:22
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adrian_ottowe don't yet have a pluggable scheduler to leverage, hence our UTC 1600 meeting for tomorrow16:23
adrian_ottoand until we have that, we need to allow you to specify which host you want a container to start on16:23
mspreitzIf you want wiring between containers on a host, you need to either expose the host's wiring abilities or define a bundle concept16:23
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adrian_ottothat's likely to be unique to the tools/libraries in use16:24
mspreitzwhich "that"?16:24
adrian_ottowe are aiming to make a solution that is agnostic, so that it's not only a Docker solution, but can work for OpenVZ, LXC, or potentially other container types with different tools.16:24
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mspreitzWhat is the intersection of the wiring ability exposed to users?16:25
mspreitzfor the ones listed so far16:25
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adrian_ottothat's largely unspecified at this point. We have a concept of a nested set of containers, where a container has a parent.16:26
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adrian_ottobut in terms of expressing the linkage between them, we have not explored that yet in detail.16:26
mspreitzAnd the Linux kernel allows an unprivileged container to subdivide itself?16:26
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adrian_ottomspreitz: our understanding is that functionality is coming soon.16:26
mspreitzOh, that's interesting.16:27
adrian_ottowe are proceeding under the assumption that it will appear soon as a kernel feature.16:27
mspreitzHow soon?16:27
adrian_ottoI suppose that depends on who wants to submit patches for it16:27
mspreitzIs anyone outside this group working on that?16:27
adrian_ottoand how quickly they work. Eric Windisch indicated to me that he saw patches for it already.16:27
adrian_ottothat's something that Docker wants really bad, and is high on their priority list16:28
adrian_ottobut I'm not part of the kernel community, so I can't speak authoritatively about that.16:28
adrian_ottotechnically speaking, there is no reason we can't have nested unprivileged containers with relatively small changes in the kernel.16:29
adrian_ottoso I'm reluctant to plan around that16:29
mspreitzCould we make do in the interim, using privileged parents?16:29
adrian_ottoyes, of course.16:29
mspreitzI mean, just one level of subdivision16:29
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mspreitzmakes sense.  thanks.16:29
adrian_ottook, so next up on the agenda is a new thing...16:30
adrian_otto#topic Kolla16:30
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adrian_otto#link https://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg36059.html Kolla Announcement16:30
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adrian_ottoA few people have been pinging me about this16:31
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adrian_ottotrying to assort where this fits, and if it overlaps with what we do16:31
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adrian_ottomy initial reaction is that our focus is different. It might make sense for us to explore opportunities for acting as an enabling technology for this project16:32
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adrian_ottoany thoughts on this?16:33
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mspreitzI think separate..16:33
mspreitzOOO is trying to bootstrap16:33
mspreitzadding requirements for more context is not a help16:33
mspreitzour container service fits into a bigger context16:33
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mspreitzrequires a context16:34
adrian_ottothanks mspreitz16:34
adrian_ottoany other thoughts on this topic?16:35
diga_Our agenda is different than their, so I think we should keep working on the containers project16:35
adrian_ottoagreed16:36
adrian_ottook, so my main goal here was to make you all aware of this work, and to identify possible synergy.16:36
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adrian_ottowe can revisit it again next week once we have all had some time to process it.16:37
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adrian_ottothat brings us to my favorite part of our team meetings...16:37
adrian_otto#topic Open Discussion16:37
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adrian_ottook, seems like we might be ready to wrap up for today16:39
mspreitzIs there any way to review service spec before it is in Gerrit?16:39
mspreitzI mean, a way to share comments?16:39
mspreitzI mean, the API not the spec16:39
adrian_ottosure, you can discuss it with us in #openstack-containers16:39
mspreitzthanks16:40
adrian_ottoanyone who arrived after Roll Call who would like to be recorded in attendance may chime in now16:40
adrian_ottothanks everyone for attending. Our next meeting will be at UTC 2200 on Tuesday 2014-10-07.16:41
adrian_otto#endmeeting16:41
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ruhe#startmeeting murano17:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Sep 30 17:01:18 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ruhe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'murano'17:01
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sergmelikyano/17:01
ruhe#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda#Agenda17:01
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ruhekate is still on vacation17:02
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stan_laguno/17:02
ruhesjmc7 seems to be offline17:02
ruheok. let's have a brief meeting today17:03
ruhethere were no action items from previous meetings17:03
ruheso, skipping topic "action items review"17:03
ruhe#topic status of juno-117:04
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ruhewe've merged all the bug fixes we wanted to land in rc117:04
ruheI've asked SergeyLukjanov to help me with the release of RC1 since it's a complicated task. He'll release Murano during the day (in US time zone)17:05
SergeyLukjanovruhe, ack17:05
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ruheonce RC1, we'll open master for work in Kilo17:05
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ruhe*once RC1 is released17:05
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ruheremaining patches for Juno (critical bug fixes and documentation changes) will land in master and proposed/juno17:06
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ruheproposed/juno will become stable/juno with release of juno17:07
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dteselkinHi17:07
ruhedteselkin: hi :)17:07
ruheany questions about release procedure?17:07
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ruheok. moving on17:09
ruhe#topic documentation for juno release17:09
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ruhewe have only two weeks to improve our developer documentation17:09
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ruhewhile user docs can be improved later since murano-docs doesn't follow (yet) standard release schedule17:10
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ruhethat's it about docs17:11
ruhe#topic open discussion17:11
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ruhe#info ruhe will be on vacation on Oct1-Oct617:11
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ruhesergmelikyan: i hope you and sjmc7 will be able to arrange a meeting (with other folks included) to discuss future plans for Kilo17:13
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sergmelikyanruhe, sure17:14
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ruhewe need to have base understanding of our unified plan before we meet in Paris17:16
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ruhe#endmeeting17:33
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adrian_otto#startmeeting Solum Team Meeting22:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Sep 30 22:01:13 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.22:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.22:01
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adrian_otto#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum Our Agenda22:01
adrian_otto#topic Roll Call22:01
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datsun180bEd Cranford22:01
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adrian_ottoAdrian Otto22:01
muraliamurali allada22:01
RoshanRoshan Agrawal22:01
james_lijames li22:01
ravipsRavi Sankar Penta22:02
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devkulkarniDevdatta Kulkarni22:02
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adrian_ottohi everyone22:02
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adrian_ottoI'll give us another minute or so for Roll Call before beginning announcements. If you have an announcement for the team be ready, your queue is coming soon.22:03
adrian_otto#topic Announcements22:04
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adrian_otto1) Core Reviewers22:04
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adrian_otto#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/047493.html Motion for Core Reviewer changes22:04
gpilzGilbert Pilz22:04
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adrian_ottocores, please find and vote on that.22:04
PaulCzaro/22:04
dimtruckDimitry Ushakov22:04
adrian_ottook, any other announcements from team members?22:05
adrian_ottoI skipped one22:05
adrian_otto2) F20 Gate22:05
adrian_ottoOur F20 gate is now non-voting. Thanks PaulCzar for submitting that change.22:06
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adrian_otto(pausing for a minute for team member announcements)22:06
devkulkarnithanks Paul22:06
ravipsI found the issue why barbican failed on F2022:06
adrian_ottoravips: oh?22:06
ravipslong story short we need to fix barbican api config param host_href to point to 10.0.2.15:9311, I will submit a patch22:06
ravipsalso we got heads up from barbican team22:07
ravipshttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/124889/1 will again break some of our test cases22:07
adrian_ottook, how will we resolve that?22:07
ravipsso if there is a test failure involving barbican/private-repo, we know where to look for22:07
ravipsbefore starting solum, we need to fix barbican-api.conf and restart barbican if it is already running22:08
ravipsi couldn't think of any better solution22:08
adrian_ottoshould we proactively create a bug ticket in anticipation of that trouble?22:08
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muraliaI have something related to this barbican issue in the works. It's not a fix for this issue but let me explain.22:09
PaulCzarravips: shouldn't we push barbican to have the correct conf by default rather than us fixing it post-install ?22:09
adrian_ottothat way we can have a place to record our plans to address it so it should lubricate that effort22:09
gpilz+122:09
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muraliaThis might be a good time for me to bring up a patch I'm working on.22:10
ravipsPaulCzar: it's not barbican issue, its the config param, default host_href=http://localhost: 9311 and we need that to be http://10.0.2.15:931122:10
adrian_ottowe are still in announcements22:10
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muraliaWithin Rackspace, we are running an instance of solum which does not use barbican.22:10
adrian_ottomuralia: one moment please22:11
muraliaok22:11
adrian_ottoravips: wiould you be willing to accepta n action item to open a bug ticket for this issue, and help us get it assigned to a Stacker who can drive it to resolution?22:11
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adrian_ottomaybe that's you, me, or someone else22:12
ravipssure, we already have a bug for this one22:12
adrian_ottofor the upcoming patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124889/1?22:12
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ravipsnot for that one, I will create a new one22:12
adrian_ottook, if we make an action for it?22:13
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ravipssure, we can prepare a patch before hand22:13
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adrian_otto#action ravips to file a bug ticket for resolving anticipated compatibility problem with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124889/1 when it merges.22:13
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adrian_ottothanks ravips22:14
adrian_ottomuralia: I will come back to you in just a moment.22:14
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muraliasure22:14
adrian_ottoany other announcements?22:14
adrian_otto#topic Review Action Items22:15
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adrian_ottoadrian_otto to investigate using alternatives to openstack/common in Solum, and report back to the team with options.22:15
adrian_ottoStatus: In progress.22:15
adrian_otto#action adrian_otto to investigate using alternatives to openstack/common in Solum, and report back to the team with options.22:15
adrian_ottoto carry it to next week for the report22:15
adrian_ottowe can also cover this in Open Discussion later22:15
adrian_ottoadrian_otto to email a link to a Paris Summit topics etherpad to the ML22:15
adrian_ottoI did not email it, but I did create it:22:16
adrian_otto#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/solum-paris-summit List of DIscussion Topics for Paris Design Summit22:16
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adrian_ottoplease make note, and add your topics for consideration22:16
adrian_otto#topic Blueprint/Task Review22:16
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adrian_ottostrategy to sync up openstack/common in solum with upstream (devkulkarni)22:17
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adrian_ottoI owe you a list of options here22:17
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devkulkarnithis is the action item that we discussed above..22:17
adrian_ottounless anyone else has been driving this in parallel22:17
devkulkarniI chatted with Noorul about this22:17
devkulkarniit was on the patch that replaced tests with oslotest.22:17
devkulkarniit was recently merged22:18
devkulkarnithe option that we are following currently seems the best option..22:18
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devkulkarnihttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/120255/22:18
adrian_ottook, so should we close this action item?22:18
devkulkarni#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120255/22:18
adrian_ottoit does not require further discussion next week?22:19
devkulkarnitake a look at the discussion therein.. that will inform whether we want to discuss it next week22:19
adrian_ottook, thanks22:19
devkulkarniif that looks okay then we can close it22:19
adrian_ottomuralia: please proceed. You have the floor.22:19
adrian_otto(Re: Barbican)22:19
muraliayes, im working on a patch related to the barbican service.22:19
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muraliathe patch allows operators to choose not to run barbican for storing keys22:20
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muraliaand just store them on the local file system.22:20
adrian_ottoSecure by default, so this would need to be optional, and defaulting to off.22:21
muraliathis option is great for testing and to run internal previews without running an extra openstack service for solum22:21
adrian_ottois that what you were planning?22:21
muraliayes, secure by default22:21
muraliaso, keep an eye out for that patch22:21
adrian_ottook, I'm fine with that. Any thoughts from other team members?22:21
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ravipsyep, good option for testing22:22
PaulCzaradrian_otto: I would almost suggest we use non-barbican by default22:22
PaulCzarfor tests22:22
datsun180bmore options is nice22:22
PaulCzarand for devstack22:22
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adrian_ottoPaulCzar: please explain your rationale22:23
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PaulCzaradrian_otto: barbican has already made breaking changes on us once, and have plans for another22:23
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PaulCzarso if we switch off while instability continues then we don't break our gating22:23
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PaulCzardevstack is not designed to be secure22:24
PaulCzarso I think this is a reasonable path22:24
adrian_ottook, that's a sensible argument22:24
PaulCzaralso I don't think barbican is secure unless using a HSM22:24
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adrian_ottoit's more secure than saving unencrypted secrets in plaintext on a host's filesystem22:24
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adrian_ottoand it gives you a central point to audit if you have multiple Solum API nodes22:25
adrian_ottoit would simplify the changing of secrets in that case22:25
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PaulCzaradrian_otto: that's true.  if we want we could extend from storing in FS to a database table...  but for basic functionality/devstack I think the FS is sufficient22:26
PaulCzaradrian_otto: we should add 'test with barbican' to release process22:26
PaulCzarto make sure that when we cut a release we know that the barbican stuff is working22:26
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adrian_ottoa nonvoting gate would also work for that22:27
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PaulCzaradrian_otto: yeah something along those lines22:27
PaulCzaranyways,  lets wait until muralia's patch has landed and then have this conversation again22:27
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muraliacool. I'll keep barbican as default22:28
adrian_ottook, sounds good. I'm willing to detect that we are running in devstack and use non-barbican in that case.22:28
adrian_ottodefaulting to using barbican otherwise, maybe?22:28
PaulCzarbarbican should be default in solum.conf.    we can change that in the contrib/devstack to suit how we want to test22:28
PaulCzarexactly :)22:28
adrian_ottoPaulCzar: yeah, that would strike a balance22:29
adrian_ottocool. Any more thoughts on this topic?22:29
ravips+122:29
PaulCzarwill also help with devstack size ..  we're having to run 6gb VMs now for solum's devstack22:29
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PaulCzar(memory)22:29
datsun180bfyi that's line 231 of our Vagrantfile, "modify_vm --memory 6144" is about 6 gigs22:30
ravipsare we going to test barbican on non-voting gate?22:31
PaulCzarravips: once the alternative code is merged we'll figure out the specifics22:32
adrian_ottoI'd like to plan that, as I see this as an important long term capability that deserves ongoing test coverage, not just at release events.22:32
ravipsnon-voting gate will help to fix the issues sooner instead of waiting till the end of the release22:33
adrian_ottobut I agree that as sands shift below us, we should be positioned to proceed by disabling those features.22:33
PaulCzar+122:33
adrian_ottook, so I'm happy to pick this back up later as suggested.22:33
adrian_otto#topic Open DIscussion22:33
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PaulCzarI have to leave unless anybody has something specific they want to talk to me about22:34
ravipsjust to avoid any duplicate effort, I wanna let the team know that22:35
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ravipsI took the initial stab at porting some of our shell code to python, mostly code around app clone/build/develop22:35
devkulkarni+10 ravips22:35
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datsun180blast i check julien held the conch on that22:35
PaulCzarravips: awesome!22:35
ravipsthis is my plan: http://paste.openstack.org/show/117285/ , feedback helps22:35
adrian_ottoI would like to wrap up early as well22:35
gpilzone thing on the OpenStack Summit22:36
datsun180bthere's a bug about it, i'm digging22:36
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gpilzis there any discount for contributors?22:36
gpilzI thought I remembered hearing something about that once22:36
gpilzbut I think I remember a lot of stuff22:36
PaulCzargpilz: yeah,  ATCs are free ( on early bird price )22:36
adrian_ottogpilz: yes, ATC's get free admission22:36
devkulkarniravips: Patch 3 may not be possible22:36
adrian_ottobut you need to land a patch in openstack in the release22:36
roshanagrOpenStack Paris: who among us will be there?22:36
gpilzI will be there22:37
adrian_ottoso chances are that you don't have one of those yet.22:37
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roshanagrgpilz: great. I will be there as well22:37
adrian_ottoI expect julienvey and stannie.22:37
adrian_ottoas they are locals.22:37
PaulCzarravips: looks pretty good to me.    with docker we can use the api over http rather than the socket ... that removes requirement to run as root.22:38
roshanagrnice, yes of course22:38
ravipsdevkulkarni: docker-py is not stable or can't run sudo command? or any other particular reason?22:38
devkulkarnithere was an issue with it getting adding to global requirements22:38
devkulkarnidatsun180b did you find the bug22:38
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datsun180blooking22:38
devkulkarniI think that has the details22:38
devkulkarnibut otherwise this is great ravips22:39
datsun180b#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/130255222:39
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1302552 in solum "Tech Debt: Convert bash scripts in contrib into python code and add tests" [Medium,Triaged]22:39
PaulCzarheat gives us precedence to add in via contrib - https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/contrib/heat_docker/requirements.txt22:39
ravipsdatsun180b: thanks, I will take a look22:39
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devkulkarniPaulCzar: good. we can follow that lead then.22:39
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adrian_ottook, you all happy to wrap up now?22:41
PaulCzar+222:41
devkulkarnisure22:41
ravipsyes22:41
muraliayes22:41
gpilz+122:41
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adrian_ottoThanks everyone for attending today. Our next meeting is UTC 2200 on Tuesday 2014-10-1422:42
adrian_otto#endmeeting22:42
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