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| markwash | o/ | 14:02 |
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| ativelkov | glance time? | 14:02 |
| markwash | indubitably | 14:02 |
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| nikhil__ | o/ | 14:02 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:02 |
| ativelkov | o/ | 14:03 |
| arnaud__ | o/ | 14:03 |
| markwash | #startmeeting glance | 14:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 3 14:03:22 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markwash. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:03 |
| markwash | Hi everybody | 14:03 |
| zhiyan | o/ | 14:03 |
| markwash | onoes | 14:03 |
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| markwash | we appear agendaless | 14:03 |
| markwash | lets cobble together a list of suggestions here in the first 5 minutes. I'll take notes on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:04 |
| jokke_ | Are we really doing that well? ;) | 14:04 |
| ativelkov | I've got a couple of work-in-progress questions on artifacts, tryed to get in touch with zhiyan about them but it seems like we are out of sync of working hours | 14:05 |
| jokke_ | Can we do "Whack a bug Day"? | 14:05 |
| zhiyan | ativelkov: yes (sorry for that) | 14:05 |
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| markwash | I've got a (public) security bug we should talk about | 14:06 |
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| zhiyan | ativelkov: probably we can book a time for it, if you ok | 14:06 |
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| ativelkov | let's start with the security then | 14:06 |
| jokke_ | +1 | 14:06 |
| markwash | https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1315321 | 14:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1315321 in glance "image_size_cap not checked in v2" [Undecided,In progress] | 14:07 |
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| markwash | there is a patch up for review but its been self -1'd on the workflow | 14:08 |
| markwash | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91764/ | 14:08 |
| markwash | I think I noticed that the patch puts the enforcement in the domain model | 14:08 |
| markwash | well, in the *core* domain model | 14:08 |
| markwash | which is sort of a no-no | 14:08 |
| markwash | it should probably be in the authorization or policy layer | 14:08 |
| markwash | anybody want to volunteer to help us regain momentum on this? | 14:09 |
| nikhil__ | yeah, that seems to check too late | 14:09 |
| * nikhil__ can help discuss, review push smaller changes to the MP | 14:10 | |
| markwash | is Thomas here today? | 14:10 |
| markwash | jokke_: and possibly do you work with him? | 14:11 |
| zhiyan | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90726/ is for download, does it make sense to do it in authorization or policy layer as well? | 14:11 |
| jokke_ | markwash: I doubt ... I think he is touring UK with his band | 14:11 |
| markwash | haha awesome | 14:11 |
| ativelkov | As I am trying to learn how these layers work, I am interested in investigating. But, well, I am just getting familiar with codebase, probably I am not the best candidate for this task as it seems pretty urgent | 14:11 |
| markwash | zhiyan: yes I think so | 14:12 |
| markwash | the proxy layer is instantiated many times, so that check would be being many-times duplicated if there were several layers that didn't need to override the get_data method | 14:12 |
| nikhil__ | markwash: api common seems like a good place to keep this, no? and enforcement can happen at right layers? | 14:12 |
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| jokke_ | I have quite a bit on my plate as well ... can't promise to be able to give the time needed to sort this out | 14:13 |
| markwash | let's talk for a quick little bit about those domain model layers I guess | 14:13 |
| markwash | so the idea is that if we put every cross cutting concern in every operation, we quickly arrive at an unmaintainable situation | 14:14 |
| markwash | with functions that are 100+ lines long | 14:14 |
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| jokke_ | agreed | 14:14 |
| markwash | or even if they aren't, they are conceptually responsible for 100+ lines worth of functionality | 14:14 |
| markwash | you can basically see this at play in the v1 api controllers | 14:14 |
| markwash | each controller call is responsible for everything, doing the task, sending notifications, enforcing rules about the task, etc. | 14:15 |
| markwash | so for v2 to manage this we instead have proxy layers that are responsible for each cross-cutting concern, broadly | 14:15 |
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| markwash | and they are built together like the layers of an onion | 14:15 |
| markwash | the deepest layer is core domain model | 14:16 |
| markwash | which is basically just a definition of what kinds of nouns exist and what they can do | 14:16 |
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| arnaud__ | domain/init.py | 14:16 |
| markwash | the layers around that take care of data persistence for us | 14:16 |
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| markwash | and then there are layers above that that do enforcement of policy, notifications, other authorization checks, etc | 14:16 |
| ativelkov | so what is the best layer to enforce filesize checks? Thr outermost? | 14:17 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:17 |
| markwash | ativelkov: we have two layers that are kind of overlapping concerns, maybe that is a problem we should fix or at least acknowledge | 14:17 |
| markwash | but those two candidates are the authorization layer and the policy enforcement layer | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | Is there specific reason why we are not using more decorators to do this layering? Just trying to get my head around the code the layering makes it bit messy tbh. | 14:18 |
| markwash | I think either of those are acceptable answers | 14:18 |
| markwash | jokke_: yes, I'm glad you asked | 14:18 |
| markwash | jokke_: so python decorators carry a fundamental limitation to them, which is that they are statically composed | 14:18 |
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| markwash | so its not really possible, or at least you have to bend way over backwards, to make dynamic decisions about what decorators to apply | 14:19 |
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| markwash | a good example of how ugly this can get is to look at the decorators used for locking in nova/compute/manager.py | 14:19 |
| markwash | there are functions that are literally | 14:19 |
| markwash | def foo(instance_id): | 14:19 |
| markwash | @decorator_that_depends_on_instance_id(instance_id) | 14:20 |
| markwash | def real_foo(instance_id): | 14:20 |
| markwash | # do stuff | 14:20 |
| markwash | return real_foo(instance_id) | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | ouch | 14:20 |
| zhiyan | markwash: btw you as an experienced developer, may i know who design/dev domain stuff? you? i'm just a little interested in it, it's being there when i join team. | 14:20 |
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| markwash | yeah its mine so I take all the blame | 14:21 |
| zhiyan | (maybe i need to check git) | 14:21 |
| zhiyan | cool. thanks | 14:21 |
| markwash | anything that is easy to understand about it, iccha did, haha :-) | 14:21 |
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| zhiyan | :) | 14:21 |
| zhiyan | iccha~ | 14:21 |
| markwash | so that's my justification for the layers approach | 14:22 |
| markwash | take it as you will :-) | 14:22 |
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| nikhil__ | undestanding is easy adapting is tough :P | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | markwash: I think that example you gave cannot be only a result of limitations of the decorators 'though ;) | 14:22 |
| ativelkov | Where is the "onion-like" structure of proxies constructed? | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | markwash: but could you open up a bit why we should be able to do dynamical assignments for those? | 14:22 |
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| nikhil__ | ativelkov: glance.gateway | 14:23 |
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| markwash | ativelkov: https://github.com/openstack/glance/blob/master/glance/gateway.py | 14:23 |
| ativelkov | got it, thanks | 14:23 |
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| markwash | jokke_: it tends to come up, I'm not sure i have a generic answer | 14:24 |
| jokke_ | k | 14:24 |
| zhiyan | markwash: iirc, you (and iccha) had a idea to update/change domain before, do you still like that? | 14:24 |
| nikhil__ | wat! | 14:25 |
| markwash | zhiyan: yeah, in my opinion the domain core does not delegate responsibility correctly | 14:25 |
| zhiyan | markwash: ok, so we just need to a little refactoring right? to fix core-doman | 14:25 |
| markwash | so the whole issues of persistence are done a little incorrectly | 14:26 |
| markwash | it is most painful with the glance.store layer | 14:26 |
| zhiyan | indeed! | 14:26 |
| markwash | well, I think there is another question here | 14:26 |
| zhiyan | but we are moving it out :) | 14:26 |
| markwash | which is basically--is this effort even sustainable | 14:26 |
| * nikhil__ agrees | 14:26 | |
| markwash | with the kind of development that our opensource community can offer | 14:26 |
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| markwash | and in python (without strong types) | 14:26 |
| markwash | well, or | 14:27 |
| markwash | which effort is least unsustainable | 14:27 |
| markwash | haha | 14:27 |
| zhiyan | hehe | 14:27 |
| markwash | another option would be to consider the nova objects type approach | 14:27 |
| markwash | jokke_: one area where this layering approach really could deliver wins for us, that it doesn't today, is with constructing db queries | 14:28 |
| markwash | jokke_: for background, right now there is way way way too much business logic in the db driver | 14:28 |
| markwash | basically all of authz visibility restriction decisions happen there | 14:28 |
| jokke_ | markwash: ok, yeah I kind of noticed when I was poking it for some reason | 14:28 |
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| markwash | since we have the image_repo object | 14:29 |
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| markwash | it would actually be possible to say "image_repo.get_image_repo_restricted_by_filter(filter)" | 14:29 |
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| markwash | so we could say "image_repo = image_repo.restrict_to_tenant(t)" | 14:29 |
| markwash | and pass that image repo further up to users | 14:30 |
| ativelkov | so this repo will have "fixed" filters which are applied to all other requests? | 14:30 |
| markwash | so that the business logic for restriction lives only in the authz layer | 14:30 |
| markwash | ativelkov: effectively yes | 14:30 |
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| jokke_ | markwash: I think my biggest fear with this layered model everywhere approach is when we get the artifacts coming in. The v2 code is not the easiest to follow already now (specially if you want to take registry in the game) | 14:30 |
| ativelkov | Thats why I am trying to learn it well now | 14:31 |
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| ativelkov | Don't want to blindly copy anything without deep understanding | 14:31 |
| arnaud__ | after some time you get used to it :) | 14:32 |
| markwash | so there is a definite tradeoff in this approach on understandability vs. maintainability | 14:32 |
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| markwash | I personally found it way too easy to make bugs in the "big transaction script" model that is in nova and in glance v1 | 14:32 |
| markwash | where as in v2 images there is a big learning curve (bigger than necessary as well) | 14:33 |
| markwash | oh! | 14:33 |
| jokke_ | markwash: yes, I agree that it is not maintainable approach either | 14:33 |
| markwash | one other super important thing | 14:33 |
| markwash | unit testing | 14:33 |
| ativelkov | May be we just need some document which will describe all these layers nicely? | 14:33 |
| markwash | I think it also probably needs restructuring | 14:33 |
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| markwash | since I wrote most of it I've learned how confusing my brain is for others :-) | 14:33 |
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| markwash | literally just laying out the files and modules in a more straightforward manner and including doc strings would be a huge help I think | 14:34 |
| jokke_ | +1 | 14:34 |
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| nikhil__ | think that the trick in the domain.proxy module. It's the most confusing and yet most powerful logic. | 14:34 |
| zhiyan | nikhil__: +1 | 14:35 |
| markwash | for others, the idea behind domain.proxy is this | 14:35 |
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| nikhil__ | if you get a good understanding of what that does, rest follows naturally | 14:35 |
| markwash | we create a lot of layers | 14:35 |
| markwash | each layer has something like 4 or more objects in it | 14:35 |
| markwash | with 4-5 methods each | 14:35 |
| markwash | so its a big surface | 14:35 |
| markwash | any individual layer probably doesn't need to modify the whole surface | 14:35 |
| markwash | so there are a lot of "noop" methods | 14:36 |
| zhiyan | yes, he | 14:36 |
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| markwash | so the idea of the proxy is to make helpers so you don't have to bother even writing those noop methods in your layer | 14:36 |
| markwash | if you inherit from the proxy | 14:36 |
| markwash | e.g. https://github.com/openstack/glance/blob/master/glance/domain/proxy.py#L47 | 14:37 |
| markwash | if your layer just needs to modify how tasks are returned | 14:37 |
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| markwash | you can just inherit glance.proxy.TaskRepo | 14:37 |
| markwash | and only reimplement the "get" method | 14:37 |
| ativelkov | self.base is the underlying layer? | 14:37 |
| markwash | silly example I guess | 14:37 |
| markwash | yes | 14:37 |
| ativelkov | got it | 14:37 |
| markwash | oh I guess proxy helpers are kind of hard to understand as well | 14:38 |
| markwash | gosh that's a bad name for that object | 14:38 |
| markwash | haha | 14:38 |
| markwash | the proxy helper can do some simple wrapping and unwrapping of objects for you | 14:38 |
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| markwash | So a wrapped image repo can easily return a wrapped image | 14:38 |
| markwash | okay, so a document somewhere to help out with this stuff | 14:39 |
| markwash | that sounds like a good action item | 14:39 |
| arnaud__ | +1 | 14:39 |
| markwash | is there any chance people can start an etherpad of "domain model WTFs" | 14:39 |
| jokke_ | +1 | 14:39 |
| markwash | :-) | 14:39 |
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| markwash | and I and others can try to use that to motivate the documentation best? | 14:39 |
| nikhil__ | markwash: a couple of glancers had that initialted a bit ago | 14:39 |
| markwash | I think once the hardest-to-understand part is clear-ish, it starts to fall into place | 14:39 |
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| jokke_ | markwash: this short explanation helped already a lot, but wouldn't really mind seeing doc explaining it somewhere | 14:40 |
| nikhil__ | (it's in januare mini-summit etherpad plan, guess) | 14:40 |
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| markwash | nikhil__: thanks! I'll look there | 14:40 |
| markwash | okay, sorry i took so much of the time with my explanations though! | 14:40 |
| markwash | #topic artifacts spec | 14:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "artifacts spec (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:40 | |
| markwash | ativelkov: I'm sorry I have not checked back in since my review last friday | 14:41 |
| ativelkov | I fixed a couple of things since that | 14:41 |
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| ativelkov | I have a question: do we need to completely design the json scheema for all the APIs? | 14:42 |
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| ativelkov | As it turns out to require too much time | 14:42 |
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| markwash | my initial reaction is, if its not essential I'd rather make it priority 2 | 14:43 |
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| markwash | or are you talking about for the spec itself? | 14:43 |
| ativelkov | yes, the spec | 14:43 |
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| ativelkov | AS it requires to include the schema for each call | 14:44 |
| ativelkov | But I would prefer to already start implementation - we may update the spec as it goes | 14:44 |
| markwash | arnaud__: any thoughts/concerns on rolling forward and letting the schemas show up in the code submissions? | 14:44 |
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| zhiyan | each call? seems it will needs more overhead on perf | 14:44 |
| arnaud__ | sounds good | 14:44 |
| arnaud__ | ativelkov, I think that's a good plan | 14:45 |
| markwash | ativelkov: I think you get a pass on this one. . schemas now might not even be correct if they're written too far ahead of the implementation | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | or trying to follow them might complicate the code unnecessarily | 14:46 |
| ativelkov | Good, Then I'll publish the API endpoints with description - and will proceed to the code | 14:46 |
| markwash | jokke_: heh good point! | 14:46 |
| markwash | ativelkov: regarding dynamic references | 14:46 |
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| jokke_ | markwash: been there, seen that too many times | 14:47 |
| markwash | ativelkov: I think that early on, the heat use case will need these a lot more than they need fixed references | 14:47 |
| markwash | but we have a real mismatch in terms of priority and resources available in my opinion | 14:47 |
| markwash | so my proposed solution is | 14:47 |
| ativelkov | I was sure we've agreed that we do statics only | 14:48 |
| ativelkov | On the summit, I mean | 14:48 |
| markwash | what if we let dynamic references start out as a plugin-specific behavior | 14:48 |
| markwash | ativelkov: we did, I agree | 14:48 |
| markwash | I just got some feedback from randallburt that made me worry a bit | 14:48 |
| ativelkov | I may think about how to make them plugin-specific | 14:49 |
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| ativelkov | speaking about resources - I may try asking Mirantis to allocate one more engineer for this task. | 14:49 |
| markwash | ativelkov: okay, sure thing. . let me know what you think. . my goal is to figure out a way for it to happen while still acknowledging its out of scope for what you are working on | 14:50 |
| nikhil__ | markwash: for this meeting at some point - I've a quick question about glance tests and integration tests (completely forgot about it until now) | 14:50 |
| markwash | #topic bug day | 14:50 |
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| nikhil__ | (fyi) | 14:50 |
| jokke_ | Yeah ... I just checked, we have 256 open bugs which of 98 are still at state new | 14:51 |
| markwash | my memory is bad, but it seems like we missed our post-summit bug day plan | 14:52 |
| markwash | arnaud__: ^^ am I remembering correctly? | 14:52 |
| arnaud__ | :) | 14:52 |
| jokke_ | markwash: That's why I brought it up as I did not see any discussion about it since ;) | 14:52 |
| arnaud__ | unfortunately | 14:52 |
| markwash | what is the timeframe that looks best for people? | 14:52 |
| arnaud__ | it's good that you bring it up again | 14:52 |
| markwash | next week? right before summit? august? | 14:53 |
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| jokke_ | I'm hoping I'm having bit calmer next couple of weeks | 14:53 |
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| markwash | here here | 14:53 |
| nikhil__ | august for us at rackpsace | 14:53 |
| markwash | haha, though I think its supposed to be "hear hear" | 14:54 |
| nikhil__ | this month would be very busy :/ | 14:54 |
| jokke_ | I'm also hoping to be on holidays quite a bit of Aug :P | 14:54 |
| arnaud__ | let's start an ether pad with people preference | 14:54 |
| markwash | +1 | 14:54 |
| markwash | please post link | 14:54 |
| arnaud__ | yep | 14:54 |
| markwash | #topic performance v2 | 14:54 |
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| arnaud__ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-bug-day | 14:55 |
| jokke_ | can we just make remark that it's really bad ;) | 14:55 |
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| markwash | yeah | 14:55 |
| markwash | so there is supposed to be some stuff to help us profile it | 14:55 |
| zhiyan | i will look it into glanceclient on my tomorrow | 14:55 |
| markwash | coming from rally / osprofiler | 14:55 |
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| markwash | anyone have any ideas what is the problem? its bad enough that any "fix" will be evident, we don't need a special measurement framework | 14:56 |
| markwash | no? | 14:57 |
| markwash | le sigh | 14:57 |
| nikhil__ | haven't heard too many bad things about it yet | 14:57 |
| jokke_ | markwash: not yet ... I was hoping to be able to look into it next week forwards when I get my current urgent task of my hands | 14:57 |
| markwash | jokke_: okay, check back in with us on that | 14:57 |
| nikhil__ | we need to let nova use v2 to truly understand the limitations | 14:57 |
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| markwash | oh but please let's fix the performance limitations before we ask nova to feel the pain | 14:57 |
| jokke_ | nikhil__: I give you one ... I have test system with some 30k images ... image-list on v1 took less than 2min v2 over 8 | 14:58 |
| nikhil__ | :) | 14:58 |
| markwash | at least the multi-second list queries :-) | 14:58 |
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| zhiyan | i listed my investigation result in the mail, i think the issue is in client side | 14:58 |
| nikhil__ | markwash: ohk, we can try to do some profiling for our public images service | 14:58 |
| nikhil__ | jokke_: ^ | 14:58 |
| markwash | zhiyan: ah, okay great, thanks | 14:58 |
| zhiyan | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack/2014-July/008237.html | 14:58 |
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| nikhil__ | yeah, that seems most likely the case as testing here at the rack did not reveal significate hit on perf | 14:59 |
| markwash | so let's take it as an an item for next week to see if we've learned anything convincingly | 14:59 |
| markwash | nikhil__: that is good news | 14:59 |
| nikhil__ | markwash: should we talk about the tempest question in glance channel? | 14:59 |
| nikhil__ | <10secs | 14:59 |
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| zhiyan | and separated sample config file generation, if you ok | 15:00 |
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| markwash | sure, let's move over, but I have to run very soon | 15:00 |
| markwash | cd ../openstack-glance | 15:00 |
| markwash | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 3 15:00:30 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-07-03-14.03.html | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-07-03-14.03.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-07-03-14.03.log.html | 15:00 |
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| bswartz1 | just a reminder, the manila weekly meeting is canceled this week | 15:02 |
| deepakcs | bswartz1, oh ok.. didn't realise that | 15:02 |
| deepakcs | Happy Holidays to US folks l) | 15:02 |
| deepakcs | :) | 15:02 |
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| vkozhukalov | hi guys | 16:00 |
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| rvyalov | hi | 16:00 |
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| ikalnitsky | o/ | 16:00 |
| vkozhukalov | #startmeeting Fuel | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 3 16:00:58 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vkozhukalov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:01 |
| vkozhukalov | #chair vkozhukalov | 16:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: vkozhukalov | 16:01 |
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| evgeniyl | Hi | 16:01 |
| vkramskikh | hi | 16:01 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic Greetings, announcements | 16:01 |
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| vkozhukalov | who is here? | 16:01 |
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| salmon_ | o/ | 16:01 |
| brain461 | hi there | 16:02 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic bug squashing day results | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bug squashing day results (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:02 | |
| vkozhukalov | as usual agenda is here | 16:03 |
| vkozhukalov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:03 |
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| vkozhukalov | angdraug around? | 16:03 |
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| angdraug | vkozhukalov: here | 16:04 |
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| angdraug | we didn't have bug squashing day this week | 16:04 |
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| vkozhukalov | can you share any details about squashing day? | 16:04 |
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| angdraug | results of normal day to day bug squashing are at the same place: | 16:04 |
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| angdraug | #link https://docs.google.com/a/mirantis.com/spreadsheets/d/10mUeRwOplnmoe_RFkrUSeVEw-__ZMU2nq23BOY-gzYs/edit#gid=66519680 | 16:05 |
| vkozhukalov | ok | 16:05 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic 5.0.1 release status | 16:05 |
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| dpyzhov | We have several critical bugs with upgrades in 5.0.1. Most of them will be addressed today | 16:06 |
| dpyzhov | this bug will not be fixed today. #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1336350 | 16:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1336350 in fuel/5.1.x "[Update] status bar do not show progress after update/rollback" [High,Confirmed] | 16:07 |
| vkozhukalov | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1336350 | 16:08 |
| vkozhukalov | hash tag must be in the beginning of the line | 16:08 |
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| dpyzhov | also we have several other bugfixes on review, they will be merged tomorrow | 16:09 |
| angdraug | the plan is to announce code freeze for 5.0.1 as soon as upgrades are ready | 16:09 |
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| dpyzhov | and we have ostf issues. plan is to merge fixes tomorrow | 16:09 |
| dpyzhov | not tomorrow, today | 16:09 |
| angdraug | dpyzhov: is #1336350 the only blocker that won't be fixed today? | 16:09 |
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| dpyzhov | angdraug: the only blocker in upgrades | 16:10 |
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| angdraug | #link https://launchpad.net/fuel/+milestone/5.0.1 | 16:10 |
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| angdraug | the only other critical bug that I see there is #1308684 | 16:11 |
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| angdraug | it has fixes on review already | 16:11 |
| dpyzhov | we have broken master right now | 16:11 |
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| dpyzhov | so we can not test and backport fix | 16:12 |
| dpyzhov | it will be backported tomorrow in the first half of the day | 16:12 |
| dpyzhov | and we will create rc1 tomorrow | 16:12 |
| angdraug | ok | 16:12 |
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| vkozhukalov | ok, moving? | 16:12 |
| angdraug | yes | 16:13 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic Feature freeze on 5.1 | 16:13 |
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| vkozhukalov | again i believe dpyzhov has some info | 16:13 |
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| dpyzhov | We have one more week before feature freeze | 16:13 |
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| dpyzhov | In order to finish several features | 16:14 |
| dpyzhov | But this mean that features should be merged no later then Monday | 16:14 |
| vkozhukalov | great, everyone is glad | 16:14 |
| dpyzhov | We don’t want to be in hurry next Thursday | 16:14 |
| dpyzhov | Some of features will not be ready by Monday | 16:15 |
| vkozhukalov | you mean not merged but on review, right? | 16:15 |
| dpyzhov | vkozhukalov: just do not postpone till Thursday | 16:15 |
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| dpyzhov | As soon as possible | 16:15 |
| vkozhukalov | dpyzhov: that is clear | 16:15 |
| vkozhukalov | dpyzhov: one more week is enough | 16:16 |
| dpyzhov | Yes, code on review on Monday is mandatory | 16:16 |
| vkozhukalov | afaik you have detailed status for every feature | 16:16 |
| vkozhukalov | which of them are risky? | 16:17 |
| angdraug | ml2 is still at risk | 16:17 |
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| angdraug | it's on agenda for later | 16:17 |
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| dpyzhov | also lsi in on high risk | 16:18 |
| vkozhukalov | ok, let's move on and ask details about ml2 a bit later | 16:18 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic Feature statuses | 16:18 |
| dpyzhov | and qemu update needs investigations | 16:18 |
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| vkozhukalov | #topic Install OpenStack from upstream | 16:18 |
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| brain461 | hello everyone | 16:18 |
| vkozhukalov | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/openstack-from-master | 16:18 |
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| brain461 | code is merged into master already. as soon as public gerrit is setup and repos are created, feature will be available to all customers | 16:19 |
| vkozhukalov | brain461: hello | 16:19 |
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| vkozhukalov | does it work? ) | 16:19 |
| brain461 | yes | 16:19 |
| vkozhukalov | great, that it is ready | 16:19 |
| vkozhukalov | any other details? concerns? | 16:20 |
| brain461 | haven't tested deployments though | 16:20 |
| brain461 | none | 16:20 |
| vkozhukalov | but you are going to, right? | 16:20 |
| brain461 | QA part is still not implemented | 16:21 |
| brain461 | I expect help from our qa team in that regard | 16:21 |
| angdraug | QA/CI is in scope, right? | 16:21 |
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| brain461 | yes, there will be tests for every component | 16:21 |
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| vkozhukalov | great | 16:22 |
| vkozhukalov | moving | 16:22 |
| angdraug | running Fuel CI on top of that is essential | 16:22 |
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| vkozhukalov | #topic ML2: blueprints status and implementation | 16:22 |
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| angdraug | xarses: please share your status | 16:22 |
| xarses | ML2 from Upstream - Still work in progress, Ubuntu Single mode passes cluster building, Ubuntu HA is about to pass cluster building. Sill need to finish with new create networks (written/not tested) and plug in last few settings from nailgun to configure agents | 16:23 |
| xarses | Packages where missing for CentOS | 16:23 |
| xarses | We need to discuss better version of OVS if possible | 16:23 |
| xarses | #link https://lists.launchpad.net/fuel-dev/msg01272.html | 16:23 |
| aglarendil | I rearranged blueprints | 16:23 |
| aglarendil | now | 16:24 |
| aglarendil | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/neutron-ml2-plugin-in-fuel-51 | 16:24 |
| aglarendil | is targeted for 5-1 | 16:24 |
| aglarendil | and being implemented for 5.1 | 16:24 |
| angdraug | not a very good name for a blueprint | 16:24 |
| aglarendil | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/ml2-neutron | 16:24 |
| aglarendil | is now targeted to 6.0 | 16:24 |
| aglarendil | we achieved this agreement | 16:25 |
| angdraug | what agreement? | 16:25 |
| aglarendil | and this blueprint shows how it is gonna be in 5.1 | 16:25 |
| angdraug | link? | 16:25 |
| xarses | what agreement? | 16:25 |
| aglarendil | that if xarses approach does not work | 16:25 |
| aglarendil | I mean the one with neutron upstream full merge | 16:25 |
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| aglarendil | then we start parallel implementation | 16:25 |
| aglarendil | xenolog started it | 16:25 |
| aglarendil | and this implementation differs a bit | 16:26 |
| xarses | yes, but it still doesn't pass CI | 16:26 |
| aglarendil | it is almost ready | 16:26 |
| aglarendil | it will be merged tomorrow I hope | 16:26 |
| angdraug | that's what xarses is saying above :) | 16:26 |
| aglarendil | yep, but is much more complete than xarses approach | 16:27 |
| angdraug | I don't know, it doesn't even have a spec in the BP | 16:28 |
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| aglarendil | that's why I created a BP | 16:28 |
| xarses | If the approach was not complete then it should have been raised in the spec review, which still isn't approved | 16:28 |
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| angdraug | lets move on | 16:29 |
| vkozhukalov | but, there is no spec on review, right? | 16:29 |
| aglarendil | it is | 16:29 |
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| angdraug | there is for ml2-neutron | 16:29 |
| aglarendil | i just posted a link | 16:29 |
| angdraug | #link https://review.openstack.org/99807 | 16:29 |
| aglarendil | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/neutron-ml2-plugin-in-fuel-51 | 16:29 |
| angdraug | aglarendil: that's a link to BP, link to spec in the BP is not set | 16:30 |
| aglarendil | it will be ready tomorrow | 16:30 |
| aglarendil | I know guys, it is a bit messy | 16:30 |
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| aglarendil | sorry for that | 16:30 |
| aglarendil | but this was our risk mitigation plan supported by mihgen | 16:31 |
| aglarendil | in case we do not succeed with xarses approach | 16:31 |
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| angdraug | lets move on take it to the ML, IRC meeting is a wrong place for discussions like that | 16:31 |
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| vkozhukalov | ok, but we dont have any other items for this meeting | 16:32 |
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| aglarendil | i wrote about it. you did not respond | 16:32 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic open discussion | 16:32 |
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| vkozhukalov | looks like nobody has questions or topics to discuss | 16:33 |
| vkozhukalov | right? | 16:33 |
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| vkozhukalov | if so, let's close meeting and continue to work | 16:33 |
| vkozhukalov | thanks everyone | 16:34 |
| vkozhukalov | #endmeeting | 16:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 3 16:34:13 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-07-03-16.00.html | 16:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-07-03-16.00.txt | 16:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-07-03-16.00.log.html | 16:34 |
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| nkinder_ | #startmeeting OpenStack Security Group | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 3 17:01:38 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nkinder_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack Security Group)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 17:01 |
| nkinder_ | #topic Roll Call | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: OpenStack Security Group)" | 17:01 | |
| tmcpeak | o/ | 17:02 |
| nkinder_ | Hi all | 17:02 |
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| tmcpeak | :D | 17:02 |
| chair6 | ello | 17:02 |
| shohel | hi | 17:02 |
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| nkinder_ | small crowd today | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | lots of 4 day weekends most likely | 17:03 |
| nkinder_ | I guess US folks are starting the long weekend early ;) | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | I'm here recreationally today | 17:03 |
| nkinder_ | ok, well let's get started | 17:03 |
| nkinder_ | #topic OSSG Meetup | 17:03 |
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| nkinder_ | Has everyone confirmed if they are going on the etherpad? | 17:03 |
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| nkinder_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ossg-juno-meetup | 17:04 |
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| nkinder_ | bknudson: are you able to attend the mid-cycle? | 17:04 |
| nkinder_ | bknudson: I see you on the list, but you're not confirmed | 17:04 |
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| bknudson | nkinder_: I wasn't able to get approval | 17:05 |
| nkinder_ | bknudson: bummer :( | 17:05 |
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| nkinder_ | hotels are filling up according to some traffic on the mailing list, so anyone that hasn't booked should jump on it | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, even SpringHill is up to like $320 a night | 17:06 |
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| nkinder_ | shohel: I see that you filled in a bunch of stuff about threat modeling | 17:07 |
| shohel | yes | 17:07 |
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| shohel | some ideas | 17:07 |
| shohel | planning the stuff beforehand :P | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | nkinder_: I'll try to do the same for Gate Testing sometime next week | 17:07 |
| nkinder_ | yeah, I need to do the same for my topics, though I'll be in the woods with no computer next week... | 17:07 |
| nkinder_ | might make that tough | 17:08 |
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| tmcpeak | nice! | 17:08 |
| shohel | Woods sounds nice | 17:08 |
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| nkinder_ | ok, any other mid-cycle discussion? | 17:08 |
| shohel | i was looking for some keystone core dev during the session | 17:08 |
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| shohel | bknudson seems cannot join now :( | 17:09 |
| nkinder_ | I've been told that chair6 is the man for any Seattle info that people may have | 17:09 |
| nkinder_ | shohel: the keystone mid-cycle is next week, so back to back travel could be tough | 17:09 |
| nkinder_ | shohel: I manage two of the core Keystone developers though, so I can be sure to engage with them after the mid-cycle | 17:09 |
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| shohel | sounds good | 17:10 |
| nkinder_ | shohel: I also contribute to Keystone and have a fairly good understanding of it's internals | 17:10 |
| shohel | excellent | 17:10 |
| nkinder_ | #topic Threat Analysis | 17:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Threat Analysis (Meeting topic: OpenStack Security Group)" | 17:11 | |
| nkinder_ | might as well switch the topic since we're discussing it already | 17:11 |
| shohel | yes... just doing some cleaning of the repo | 17:11 |
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| shohel | planned to add it to the security guide | 17:12 |
| nkinder_ | hyakuhei mentioned that Doug (dg_) is interested in getting more involved with the effort | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | what's the context? | 17:12 |
| shohel | yes.... | 17:12 |
| nkinder_ | shohel: which repo is it in now? | 17:13 |
| nkinder_ | shohel: the "old" doc repo? | 17:13 |
| shohel | still in my own repo | 17:13 |
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| shohel | so moving to security doc repo | 17:13 |
| nkinder_ | shohel: ok, so the cleanup is in preparation for moving it to the new repo | 17:13 |
| nkinder_ | I need to do the same for OSSNs | 17:13 |
| shohel | https://github.com/openstack/security-doc | 17:13 |
| nkinder_ | yep, so I'm going to make a ossn subdir in there | 17:14 |
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| bknudson | we're moving the ossn reviews? | 17:14 |
| nkinder_ | bknudson: yes, we will be (more in a minute about that) | 17:15 |
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| nkinder_ | shohel: do you have an eta for when you will be moving the threat analysis stuff into the new repo? | 17:15 |
| shohel | nkinder: there is no more update from my side | 17:15 |
| shohel | nop.... thinking should we do it before or after the meetup | 17:15 |
| nkinder_ | shohel: +1. We should get that all in shape at the meetup | 17:16 |
| shohel | another thing is about md to docbook format | 17:16 |
| shohel | anyone look at that | 17:16 |
| shohel | ? | 17:16 |
| nkinder_ | shohel: pandoc is supposed to help with that | 17:16 |
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| nkinder_ | shohel: we should discuss/hack at the mid-cycle | 17:16 |
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| shohel | yes , definately | 17:16 |
| nkinder_ | I need to do the same thing for publishing OSSNs | 17:16 |
| nkinder_ | on that note... | 17:16 |
| nkinder_ | #topic OSSNs | 17:16 |
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| nkinder_ | bknudson: We will be moving the notes to a new combined OSSG doc repo | 17:17 |
| nkinder_ | we want to consolidate all OSSG produced documentation in a single repo to make publishing easier | 17:17 |
| bknudson | ok. that should make it a little easier to follow | 17:17 |
| nkinder_ | This includes the security guide, OSSNs, and threat modeling | 17:17 |
| shohel | +1 | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | nkinder_: oh cool, that's a good idea | 17:18 |
| nkinder_ | bdpayne created the initial repo, so now it's up to me to migrate the OSSNs and shohel to migrate the threat analysys stuff | 17:18 |
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| bknudson | threat analysis was already in the ossn repo? | 17:18 |
| nkinder_ | Yeah, we can then leverage the doc build scripts to publish OSSNs as an appendix in the security guide | 17:18 |
| nkinder_ | bknudson: no | 17:19 |
| nkinder_ | bknudson: it's in shohel's github | 17:19 |
| bknudson | the ossns were reviewed in gerrit, the threat analysis wasn't | 17:19 |
| nkinder_ | bknudson: correct | 17:19 |
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| bknudson | seems like unreviewed things should go through review to get in the repo | 17:19 |
| bknudson | but it's easy enough to change anything anyways | 17:20 |
| nkinder_ | gerrit has been working really well with OSSNs IMHO, and I think it will be very valuable for the threat analysis stuff too | 17:20 |
| shohel | definitely same line thinking | 17:20 |
| bknudson | other than it's been slower! | 17:20 |
| nkinder_ | bknudson: not really though | 17:20 |
| nkinder_ | Our OSSN/month rate has been going up | 17:21 |
| nkinder_ | they take longer to write/review, but out putput is higher | 17:21 |
| nkinder_ | we have 4 OSSNs in June | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | nkinder_: probably due to increased participation in OSSG mostly | 17:21 |
| nkinder_ | We've had new authors as well | 17:21 |
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| nkinder_ | yep! That's been great | 17:22 |
| nkinder_ | What we need is more notes | 17:22 |
| bknudson | we need fewer problems | 17:22 |
| nkinder_ | We need to identity issues that are worthy of OSSNs and log them as bugs to keep the queue full | 17:22 |
| nkinder_ | bknudson: that goes without saying :) | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | nkinder_: what's a good process to feeding security bugs into OSSN requests? | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | *for | 17:23 |
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| nkinder_ | tmcpeak: great question | 17:23 |
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| nkinder_ | first would be monitoring the discussions on the mailing list, security-impact bugs, etc. | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | nkinder_: right now they trickle down mostly from OSSA, right? | 17:23 |
| nkinder_ | it you see something that warrants a note, file an OSSN bug in launchpad | 17:24 |
| nkinder_ | tmcpeak: probably 60-70% come from VMT | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | nkinder_: +1 | 17:24 |
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| nkinder_ | tmcpeak: but https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/+bug/1334926 came from a mailing list discussion | 17:24 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1334926 in neutron "floatingip still working once connected even after it is disociated" [High,In progress] | 17:24 |
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| nkinder_ | there is no harm in filing an LP and then deciding it | 17:25 |
| nkinder_ | it's not note-worthyu | 17:25 |
| nkinder_ | sigh... fingers are starting the weekend early | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | cool, sounds good | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | probably some good ones will come from the dev ML too | 17:25 |
| nkinder_ | Ideally, we would have a list to triage through in this meeting each week | 17:25 |
| nkinder_ | We can discuss this more at the mid-cycle to brainstorm other ideas, but don't hesitate to file LPs in the meantime | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | nkinder_: sounds good | 17:26 |
| nkinder_ | There is the one outstanding OSSN bug that I linked to above | 17:26 |
| nkinder_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/+bug/1334926 | 17:26 |
| shohel | +1 | 17:26 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1334926 in neutron "floatingip still working once connected even after it is disociated" [High,In progress] | 17:26 |
| nkinder_ | tmcpeak: Priti grabbed that one. Is she working on it? | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | nkinder_: maybe an etherpad for possible OSSN bugs | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | nkinder_: she is, but as I know it the problem is that neutron is actually working on afix | 17:27 |
| nkinder_ | tmcpeak: eh, just file them in LP and we can use that instead of maintaining another list | 17:27 |
| nkinder_ | tmcpeak: that is fine though. We can simply advise people of the issue | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | I was wondering if we should even write an OSSN if it will be fixed | 17:27 |
| nkinder_ | tmcpeak: not knowing how it behaves and thinking you're safe is no good | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | nkinder_: I mean I think they're going to fix it so that is does disconnect sessions | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | *it | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | my fingers gone for the weekend as well | 17:28 |
| nkinder_ | tmcpeak: agreed, but we don't need to wait on that for a note | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | nkinder_: ok cool, yeah I touched base with her yesterday and she said she's on it | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | nkinder_: can we remove notes that are no longer valid? | 17:28 |
| nkinder_ | tmcpeak: That gets into some interesting publishing areas | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | nkinder_: yeah, that's what I was wondering about | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | nkinder_: then maybe we have to reclaim OSSN numbers or something | 17:29 |
| nkinder_ | Right now, it's just a big list. People might be running on something old (essex, etc.), so removing them is not a good idea | 17:29 |
| nkinder_ | Having a list of OSSNs that apply to a particular release would be ideal | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | nkinder_: ahh, ok, then just amend the versions | 17:29 |
| nkinder_ | What I'm thinking for that is to publish the pertinent OSSNs into the appendix of the security guide for a particular release | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | nkinder_: oh, that's a cool idea. We could even automatically generate the OSSNs based on tags | 17:30 |
| nkinder_ | This gets into the auto-publishing scripting | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | not generate, but automatically pull them in | 17:30 |
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| bknudson | this info should be available in launchpad | 17:31 |
| nkinder_ | We would have it parse the CSV of affected releases to decide where to publish | 17:31 |
| bknudson | by constructing the right query | 17:31 |
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| bknudson | also, some projects don't have normal icehouse, havana releases (the clients) | 17:31 |
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| bknudson | and I think swift also releases on its own sched | 17:32 |
| nkinder_ | there are all great topics of discussion for the mid-cycle | 17:32 |
| nkinder_ | bknudson: yes, there are outliers | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | yeah we could probably get some cool stuff working with a little mid-cycle hackathon | 17:32 |
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| nkinder_ | ok, any more OSSN discussion? | 17:32 |
| nkinder_ | #topic Gate Tests | 17:33 |
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| nkinder_ | take it away tmcpeak | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | cool | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | not much update here unfortunately | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | viraptor has some good knowledge of the mechanics of getting them set up in non-blocking gate tests | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | so he's helping me | 17:33 |
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| tmcpeak | I have the PoC done for the shell injection test, which actually found something in Glance | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | I spoke with nkinder_ probably not a big deal security-wise, but we could probably get some good bang for our buck with writing a few other tests in the hacking framework at the meetup | 17:34 |
| bknudson | glance just had a fix for shell injection | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | and then running them against current code and submitting LP bugs | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: unless it was this week, this one may be different | 17:35 |
| bknudson | it wasn't this week | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: I saw that one, it's a different one | 17:35 |
| bknudson | :( | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | before we actually run these in gate tests though, we should make sure that the relevant projects don't have these problems from the start | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | otherwise they'll just be very noisy | 17:36 |
| nkinder_ | tmcpeak: let's also assume that there might be a valid usage of shell=True | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | so first thing we should probably do is run them against OpenStack projects and file bugs to get the low hanging fruit problems cleared up | 17:36 |
| bknudson | btw - how does this test work? | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | nkinder_: totally, there are some times when shell=True is fine | 17:37 |
| nkinder_ | tmcpeak: perhaps the input is static for example | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | we just want these gate tests to flag for review | 17:37 |
| nkinder_ | tmcpeak: so we need to think of ways to tell the test to ignore if we ever decide to do voting jobs | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | bkudson: how does the shell=True test work or how does the hacking test work? | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | nkinder_: solid point, viraptor was mentioning that we can have categories or tests | 17:37 |
| bknudson | oh, I thought you had found the new bug by going through the api. | 17:37 |
| nkinder_ | tmcpeak: do you have a link to your hacking test | 17:37 |
| nkinder_ | bknudson: he has a hacking test that was written that looks for patterns | 17:38 |
| bknudson | you can # noqa to disable the hacking check on a line | 17:38 |
| bknudson | so if you know it's a valid use of shell=True, # noqa it | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: +1 | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | that's awesome! | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | I didn't know about that :) | 17:39 |
| nkinder_ | ah, great | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | also if it's valid it should probably contain a comment nearby, just to show that it has a valid reason to be used and it has been looked at and isn't a security risk | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | so that people that come after don't see it and freak out | 17:40 |
| bknudson | y | 17:40 |
| nkinder_ | ok, well we should identify other tests that we want to add at the hackfest. I'd suggest folks brainstorm in the meantime | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, if people want to add some gate test candidates to the etherpad that would be awesome | 17:40 |
| nkinder_ | +1 | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | I'll sit down for a few hours next week and try to come up with some myself | 17:40 |
| nkinder_ | tmcpeak: any more gate testing discussion? | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | cool, that's pretty much all I have for the gate tests | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | nope | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | :) | 17:41 |
| nkinder_ | #topic Open Discussion | 17:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: OpenStack Security Group)" | 17:41 | |
| nkinder_ | anyone have any other topics? | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | what hours are we thinking for the meetup? | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | we should schedule some team building session :) possibly at night | 17:43 |
| nkinder_ | tmcpeak: good question. I'm guessing 9am-5pm? I don't know what hours others are used to | 17:43 |
| bdpayne | 9a - 6p ? | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | sounds good | 17:43 |
| nkinder_ | I'm used to 6:30am onwards... :) | 17:43 |
| nkinder_ | I won't propose that though | 17:43 |
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| tmcpeak | lol | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | do we just show up at HP | 17:44 |
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| nkinder_ | I think 9a and a plentiful supply of coffee would be good | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | tell them we're here for the security and the lolz | 17:44 |
| chair6 | lolz come first | 17:44 |
| chair6 | yeah, show up .. address is in the etherpad | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | :) | 17:45 |
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| chair6 | 9am | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | cool | 17:45 |
| chair6 | we'll have coffee and breakfast, i believe | 17:45 |
| nkinder_ | we can name-drop hyakuhei I suppose | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | nice! | 17:45 |
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| tmcpeak | that's a given | 17:45 |
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| nkinder_ | bdpayne: did you have anything to discuss on the book? | 17:46 |
| nkinder_ | ok, well I guess that's it for today then | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak | cool | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | have a good weekend everyone! | 17:48 |
| bknudson | keep all your fingers | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | ;) | 17:48 |
| nkinder_ | I'll be out next week, but looking forwarding to getting together in WA in a week and a half! | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, it's going to be awesome | 17:48 |
| shohel | sure | 17:48 |
| nkinder_ | Thanks everyone | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | have fun in the woods | 17:48 |
| nkinder_ | #endmeeting | 17:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:48 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 3 17:48:48 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-07-03-17.01.html | 17:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-07-03-17.01.txt | 17:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-07-03-17.01.log.html | 17:48 |
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| dmitryme | its meeting time :-) | 18:06 |
| dmitryme | #startmeeting sahara | 18:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 3 18:06:17 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dmitryme. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:06 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:06 |
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| dmitryme | Sahara people, are you around? | 18:06 |
| crobertsrh | Hooray for meeting time! | 18:06 |
| elmiko | hi | 18:06 |
| sreshetnyak | hi | 18:06 |
| ylobankov | hi | 18:06 |
| konovalovnikita | o/ | 18:07 |
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| aignatov | o/ | 18:07 |
| dmitryme | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 18:07 |
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| dmitryme | #topic News / updates | 18:07 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "News / updates (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:07 | |
| dmitryme | people, please update | 18:07 |
| elmiko | i've been working on the spec for the swift/authentication issue, as well as mock-ups of the rest and python interfaces to the trust delegation methods | 18:08 |
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| alazarev | I’ve reworked volume management (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103691/) and error handling (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104395/) | 18:08 |
| alazarev | please review | 18:08 |
| dmitryme | not much from my side, I am afraid. Again, was busy with the internal stuff | 18:08 |
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| sreshetnyak | i'm working on spec for CDH plugin and hadoop 2.4.0 in vanilla plugin | 18:09 |
| dmitryme | alazarev: thank you. The first one is actually user-found and it is great to hear that we do fix such things | 18:09 |
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| aignatov | the same for me as for dmitryme but I swear I will done my AIs assigned to me :) | 18:10 |
| dmitryme | anybody else to post your update? | 18:11 |
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| dmitryme | ok, lets move on the next item | 18:12 |
| dmitryme | #topic sahara-dashboard @ horizon status (croberts) | 18:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "sahara-dashboard @ horizon status (croberts) (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:12 | |
| crobertsrh | We've had some more movement on the merge front. The first (Plugins) panel has been merged. Reviews by cores have increased over the past week. Hopefully, I'll be focusing my attention on new functionality (and improved UX) over the coming weeks. | 18:12 |
| dmitryme | croberts: right in time :-) | 18:12 |
| crobertsrh | Also, I've grabbed the fixes from sahara-dashboard that came after the merge started. They are also up for review. The process ought to be very quick since the patches are small. I'll keep an eye out for additional fixes, but please ping me to be sure I take care of it. | 18:12 |
| crobertsrh | I try....gotta make our new meeting leader look good! :) | 18:13 |
| dmitryme | crobertsrh: thank you :-) and it is great to hear that we have movement in the Dashboard actually | 18:14 |
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| crobertsrh | I pester them each Tuesday in their #horizon meeting, I think it helps :) | 18:14 |
| aignatov | and new leader is happy I think ;) | 18:14 |
| aignatov | meeting leader :) | 18:14 |
| dmitryme | crobertsrh: SergeyLukjanov also pings Horizon PTL on each project meeting | 18:15 |
| crobertsrh | Yes. That is also helping! | 18:15 |
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| aignatov | crobertsrh: I always add additional +1 from me to make your patches overvoted, hehe :) | 18:16 |
| crobertsrh | Extra +1s never hurt! | 18:16 |
| dmitryme | crobertsrh: thank you for update lets move on | 18:16 |
| dmitryme | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 18:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:16 | |
| dmitryme | #action aignatov create bp re moving/updating rest samples docs and do it | 18:17 |
| dmitryme | #action SergeyLukjanov to create bp with steps to enable heat be default | 18:17 |
| dmitryme | #action SergeyLukjanov to create bp about removing/hiding username@image for heat based provisioning | 18:17 |
| aignatov | nothing was done :( | 18:17 |
| dmitryme | IMHO it is a bad habit to leave all the action items undone, so… | 18:17 |
| dmitryme | #action dmitryme to remind aignatov and SergeyLukjanov to make their action items | 18:18 |
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| aignatov | I think it will help | 18:18 |
| dmitryme | aignatov: I hope so :-) | 18:18 |
| dmitryme | #topic Juno 2 (July 24) | 18:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Juno 2 (July 24) (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:19 | |
| dmitryme | so people, we have Juno 2 release in three weeks from now | 18:19 |
| dmitryme | plan accordingly | 18:19 |
| dmitryme | unfortunately not everything depends on us and I mean Dashboard merge | 18:20 |
| dmitryme | but I see that crobertsrh does his best to make it as fast as possible. Thank you, crobertsrh! | 18:21 |
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| crobertsrh | Yeah, I have tried. I *think* it will make j2 and I will continue to push as hard as I can. | 18:21 |
| crobertsrh | I am very concerned for the future though. | 18:21 |
| crobertsrh | I like the idea of being merged into horizon, but the reality of the "black hole" that is their review backlog is scary. | 18:22 |
| elmiko | alazarev and i have been reviewing a bunch of their stuff too | 18:23 |
| crobertsrh | Yeah, I've been doing that as much as possible. | 18:24 |
| dmitryme | elmiko: yep, sounds like a good idea | 18:24 |
| elmiko | well, yea but you'll be core horizon soon ;) | 18:24 |
| crobertsrh | It really seems to be limited by their cores bandwidth. | 18:24 |
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| elmiko | agreed | 18:24 |
| dmitryme | ok people, anything else related to Juno 2? | 18:25 |
| dmitryme | #topic Pilot sahara-specs | 18:25 |
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| elmiko | i've got the swift/auth spec ready for debate, i'm curious if i should push it to the git repo? | 18:26 |
| elmiko | also, do i need to make a blueprint as well | 18:26 |
| aignatov | elemik: definetely | 18:26 |
| elmiko | to both? | 18:26 |
| dmitryme | elmiko: ahem, frankly I am not sure. I’d love to hear what SergeyLukjanov thinks on disclosing this thing | 18:27 |
| elmiko | dmitryme: agreed, that's why i'm asking | 18:27 |
| crobertsrh | I think we need bp still | 18:27 |
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| crobertsrh | Or does the spec system somehow allow to link to work items and patches and such? | 18:28 |
| elmiko | so, do i make the bp light on details and save them for the spec? | 18:28 |
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| crobertsrh | IMO, yes | 18:29 |
| crobertsrh | link to the spec in the bp | 18:29 |
| elmiko | in the end that makes sense, but for now we need a place to debate the spec | 18:29 |
| crobertsrh | Is the spec linked into gerrit? | 18:29 |
| dmitryme | I don’t have a strong opinion on that matter. On the one hand, we kept the issue private. On the other - it is rather an obvios vulnerability and we still need to move on somehow | 18:30 |
| elmiko | last meeting, it sounded to me like SergeyLukjanov was ok with the spec going public since the vulnerability is not that secret | 18:30 |
| dmitryme | does anybody have anything against publishing the spec and blueprint? | 18:30 |
| aignatov | I’d prefer to make it public :) | 18:30 |
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| dmitryme | seems like we have a consensus here | 18:31 |
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| dmitryme | elmiko: please go ahead | 18:31 |
| elmiko | ok, i will create a light bp and start the process of putting the spec into the repo | 18:31 |
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| elmiko | i need to use git-review to push into the -spec repo? | 18:32 |
| dmitryme | elmiko: great, thank you | 18:32 |
| elmiko | np | 18:32 |
| aignatov | elmiko: yes | 18:32 |
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| elmiko | k, i'll start this afternoon | 18:32 |
| aignatov | just see how it was done in the first spec from tmckay | 18:33 |
| dmitryme | #topic Roadmap update / cleanup | 18:33 |
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| elmiko | aignatov: ack | 18:33 |
| dmitryme | I think nothing to update or cleanup | 18:33 |
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| dmitryme | #topic Open discussion | 18:34 |
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| alazarev | one more update, Dmitry M and me performed an investigation and figured out that there is no chance for data locality with ceph | 18:37 |
| aignatov | ;( | 18:37 |
| alazarev | ceph splits all data by 64Kb and spreads around the cluster | 18:37 |
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| dmitryme | ok folks, lets finish the meeting then | 18:40 |
| dmitryme | #endmeeting | 18:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 3 18:41:34 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-07-03-18.06.html | 18:41 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-07-03-18.06.txt | 18:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-07-03-18.06.log.html | 18:41 |
| aignatov | bye bye | 18:41 |
| dmitryme | thank you for coming, bye! | 18:41 |
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| elmiko | thanks | 18:42 |
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