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| alcabrera | o/ | 15:00 |
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| kgriffs | #startmeeting marconi | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 6 15:01:37 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kgriffs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'marconi' | 15:01 |
| kgriffs | #topic roll call | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 15:01 | |
| kgriffs | o/ | 15:01 |
| vkmc | o/ | 15:01 |
| cpallares | o/ | 15:01 |
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| malini | o/ | 15:02 |
| sriram | o/ | 15:02 |
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| balajiiyer | o/ | 15:02 |
| amitgandhi | o/ | 15:02 |
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| kgriffs | flwang, alcabrera? | 15:03 |
| alcabrera | here. :) | 15:04 |
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| kgriffs | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Marconi#Agenda | 15:04 |
| kgriffs | #topic Review actions from last time | 15:04 |
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| kgriffs | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-04-29-15.01.html | 15:04 |
| kgriffs | 1. malini will document pop in v1.1 api 2x's, once with each param (pop & ids), for realz this time | 15:05 |
| malini | for realz, I did | 15:05 |
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| kgriffs | #note malini is for realz | 15:05 |
| alcabrera | yay, malini! | 15:05 |
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| malini | two weeks, for a wiki update! I am not so sure of the yayy :D | 15:06 |
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| kgriffs | 2. everyone to work on getting the wiki ready for the summit | 15:06 |
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| kgriffs | so, I noticed that https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Marconi has sprouted a few more sections | 15:07 |
| alcabrera | yup! | 15:08 |
| alcabrera | I pitched in the tiniest bit and researched oslo.messaging | 15:08 |
| alcabrera | Obulpathi investigated the SQS/SNS angle, I believe | 15:08 |
| amitgandhi | i wonder about that Out of Scope section and how it contradicts our notifications talk at the summit | 15:08 |
| kgriffs | Cool, thanks! I started work on a new home page here to start organizing the content better. https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Marconi/home | 15:09 |
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| kgriffs | amitgandhi: good point, I can edit that. Ideally we can get everyone refactored under the new home page before then, but just in case... | 15:09 |
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| * amitgandhi liking new home page | 15:10 | |
| kgriffs | I'll talk more about the new site structure in a few minutes... | 15:11 |
| kgriffs | moving on... | 15:11 |
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| kgriffs | 3. Obulpathi to procure Mac & Cheese and organize a party to slap QR codes on them | 15:11 |
| malini | Obulpathi is out of town this week | 15:12 |
| kgriffs | so, I've been exchanging some emails with balajiiyer on this - he will take care of organizing this | 15:12 |
| balajiiyer | *nods head* | 15:12 |
| kgriffs | balajiiyer: right? :) | 15:12 |
| malini | lie | 15:12 |
| malini | I dont see balajiiyer nodding | 15:12 |
| sriram | lol | 15:12 |
| kgriffs | #action balajiiyer to take care of mac and cheese, flyers, and labels for Udoo giveaway | 15:13 |
| balajiiyer | As a health advocate, I really hate buying mac & cheese, but I can take this one for the team :) | 15:13 |
| kgriffs | balajiiyer: feel free to enlist whoever sits nearest to you in the office. ;) | 15:13 |
| kgriffs | balajiiyer: just get the "Certified organic, free-roaming Macaroni & Cheese" | 15:14 |
| balajiiyer | kgriffs: lol | 15:14 |
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| kgriffs | 4. kgriffs to create landing page on the wiki | 15:14 |
| kgriffs | I um...will be working on this today. | 15:14 |
| kgriffs | #action kgriffs to create landing page on the wiki | 15:15 |
| kgriffs | 5. balajiiyer and mpanetta to order udoo boards | 15:15 |
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| balajiiyer | kgriffs: Im just not buying it yet, let the contest begin, lets the patches flow in. I will then order them and ship it to winners. | 15:16 |
| kgriffs | makes sense | 15:16 |
| malini | Just In Time! | 15:16 |
| kgriffs | drop-ship FTW! | 15:16 |
| kgriffs | 6. malini and kgriffs to get an evite out for the team meetup at the summit | 15:16 |
| kgriffs | I am working on this still - should go out today/tomorrow | 15:16 |
| kgriffs | malini: can you get me a list of email addresses for the invitees? | 15:17 |
| malini | kgriffs: what abt emailing the devlist & cc/bcc the invitees? | 15:17 |
| malini | kgriffs: sure..will get tht to you | 15:17 |
| cpallares | re #5: Shouldn't we have at least one to show at the table or something? | 15:17 |
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| kgriffs | malini: mmm, I can send to the dev list as well | 15:17 |
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| malini | kgriffs: In case somebody else in interested in joining us..I saw emails from QA team abt meetups in the ML | 15:18 |
| kgriffs | cpallares: that would certainly wet some appetites. balajiiyer, what do you think? | 15:18 |
| kgriffs | malini: makes sense | 15:18 |
| alcabrera | good idea, cpallares! | 15:18 |
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| alcabrera | malini: leveraging the ML sounds like a good idea, too | 15:18 |
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| kgriffs | we would need to order it, like, right after this meeting. | 15:18 |
| balajiiyer | kgriffs: cpallares ok, good thought, on it. Will get one. | 15:19 |
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| kgriffs | #action balajiiyer to order 1 Udoo board to show off at the summit | 15:20 |
| kgriffs | 7. malini to make check-tempest-dsvm-marconi voting + add a voting gate-tempest-dsvm-marconi | 15:20 |
| amitgandhi | is there going to be enough time to prep that board for marconi? | 15:20 |
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| malini | w.r.t #7 ummm.I did not do tht | 15:21 |
| kgriffs | amitgandhi: do we need to do anything other than display the board? | 15:21 |
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| malini | will submit a patch this week | 15:21 |
| kgriffs | #action malini to make check-tempest-dsvm-marconi voting + add a voting gate-tempest-dsvm-marconi | 15:21 |
| amitgandhi | kgriffs: ok | 15:21 |
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| kgriffs | #topic Introducing two Rackspace Summer Interns | 15:22 |
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| * kgriffs picks up the floor and gives it to balajiiyer | 15:22 | |
| alcabrera | yay! | 15:22 |
| sriram | woot :) | 15:22 |
| cpallares | \o/ | 15:22 |
| cpallares | intern takeover | 15:22 |
| balajiiyer | kgriffs: Team please meet abettadapur_ | 15:23 |
| balajiiyer | Alex Bettadapur! | 15:23 |
| malini | yayyy!!!! | 15:23 |
| abettadapur_ | hello! | 15:23 |
| alcabrera | abettadapur_: hey! :D | 15:23 |
| malini | welcome abettadapur_!!!! | 15:23 |
| cpallares | hello abettadapur_! | 15:23 |
| alcabrera | cpallares: you know it - interns will take over *everything* | 15:23 |
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| sriram | welcome abettadapur_ !! | 15:23 |
| amitgandhi | welcome abettadapur_ =) | 15:23 |
| * cpallares still plans for world domination | 15:24 | |
| vkmc | Hi abettadapur_! :) | 15:24 |
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| balajiiyer | abettadapur_ is just finished his second year BS in Computer Science at GA Tech. He is a summer intern at Rackspace. | 15:24 |
| balajiiyer | I have another intern, but he is not starting until May 27. | 15:25 |
| balajiiyer | so, I just have abettadapur_ to introduce today. | 15:26 |
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| balajiiyer | malini and abettadapur_ had a talk this morning about marconi this morning and he will be working on API v1.1 to start with. | 15:26 |
| kgriffs | welcome abettadapur_. I'm sure we will find plenty of interesting things for you to dig into. :D | 15:27 |
| malini | abettadapur_ already knows quite a bit a bout our APIs :) | 15:27 |
| abettadapur_ | I have started to write some functional tests for v1.1 this morning | 15:27 |
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| abettadapur_ | lots to go through though | 15:27 |
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| kgriffs | rock on. glad to have you! | 15:27 |
| amitgandhi | wow jumping right in, nice! | 15:28 |
| kgriffs | #topic Proposal to change program name | 15:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Proposal to change program name (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 15:28 | |
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| kgriffs | so, I don't know if we are ready to vote on the name yet, but here's the background | 15:28 |
| kgriffs | "queues service" seems to make people think "provision-me-a-rabbitmq-as-a-service" | 15:29 |
| kgriffs | also, we will be moving away from the notion of a "queue" in the future, and thinking more along the lines of ephemeral "topics" | 15:29 |
| kgriffs | plus, we are adding notifications | 15:29 |
| kgriffs | so... I'd like to propose we come up with a new program name while it is still (relatively) easy to change it. | 15:30 |
| kgriffs | suggestions? | 15:30 |
| sriram | messaging? | 15:30 |
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| kgriffs | "OpenStack Messaging Service" | 15:31 |
| balajiiyer | messaging conflicts with Oslo.messaging, right? | 15:31 |
| alcabrera | flaper87 suggested Messaging | 15:31 |
| malini | I see some devstack patches coming :( | 15:31 |
| sriram | since we are going to be focussing on the message themselves from now on, rather than the queues. | 15:31 |
| kgriffs | oslo.messaging should really be oslo.rpc, except there is this deprecated RPC thing. #fail | 15:31 |
| alcabrera | kgriffs: good point re: oslo.messaging | 15:31 |
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| alcabrera | and yeah | 15:31 |
| kgriffs | noted | 15:31 |
| alcabrera | oslo.rpc is what it *really* is | 15:31 |
| vkmc | But all the messages have different topics, right? | 15:32 |
| alcabrera | naming, the hardest problem | 15:32 |
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| vkmc | Maybe we could focus on the topic idea rather than the messages | 15:32 |
| amitgandhi | "Openstack Message Service" | 15:32 |
| kgriffs | vkmc: the idea is that you can post a message to N topics | 15:32 |
| amitgandhi | that way its not messaging (ala oslo.messaging) | 15:33 |
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| kgriffs | and then you can list/claim from one topic at a time. iirc | 15:33 |
| amitgandhi | but then "message service" sounds like "massage service" #fail | 15:33 |
| balajiiyer | Instead of 'service', can we use the term 'bus' ? | 15:33 |
| vkmc | +1 amitgandhi | 15:33 |
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| amitgandhi | like azure? | 15:34 |
| balajiiyer | 'Openstack Message Bus' | 15:34 |
| kgriffs | amitgandhi: no problem, we'll just give away massage gift cards next summit | 15:34 |
| kgriffs | balajiiyer: I kinda like that one | 15:34 |
| balajiiyer | *wonders whether Cloud Queues will have to change name too* | 15:34 |
| sriram | will there be a name conflict? | 15:35 |
| sriram | http://messagebus.com/ | 15:35 |
| * amitgandhi azure calls theirs "Azure Service Bus | 15:35 | |
| megan_w | sriram: looks like it will be an issue | 15:35 |
| sriram | hmm, this is hard. | 15:36 |
| balajiiyer | 'Openstack message Train' :) | 15:36 |
| malini | lets come up with some suggestions & vote on it next meeting | 15:36 |
| amitgandhi | i feel with using "messages" the use case becomes "I want to send a message, what product should i use", and we want be considered by users who want a "queue" | 15:36 |
| amitgandhi | s/want/wont | 15:36 |
| amitgandhi | http://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/services/messaging/ | 15:37 |
| amitgandhi | hmmm azure has "Azure Service Bus" and "Azure Queue Service" | 15:37 |
| alcabrera | malini: +1 | 15:37 |
| alcabrera | naming is hard - let's nap on it | 15:37 |
| kgriffs | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/marconi-scratch | 15:37 |
| kgriffs | put your ideas there | 15:37 |
| alcabrera | we've got: Service Bus, Messaging, Service, ... | 15:38 |
| kgriffs | ...please? :D | 15:38 |
| alcabrera | and etherpad | 15:38 |
| alcabrera | because kgriffs is on top of this! :D | 15:38 |
| alcabrera | *an | 15:38 |
| kgriffs | #topic Support the OSSG | 15:38 |
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| malini | kgriffs: Is this name intended to replace 'queuing'? | 15:38 |
| kgriffs | #topic program name | 15:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "program name (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 15:39 | |
| kgriffs | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Programs | 15:39 |
| kgriffs | currently "Queue service" | 15:39 |
| kgriffs | man, no wonder people are confused. | 15:39 |
| amitgandhi | what about the legal hurdles around "Marconi" - megan_w? | 15:41 |
| malini | kgriffs: Sorry, I made you change topic back to naming | 15:41 |
| kgriffs | lol | 15:42 |
| kgriffs | I'll wait a sec to see if megan_w is online, then move on | 15:42 |
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| balajiiyer | 1 Mississippi | 15:42 |
| megan_w | sorry | 15:43 |
| megan_w | sounds like we're at the mercy of the company who is using "marconi" legal's team | 15:43 |
| megan_w | we're just waiting to hear back | 15:43 |
| kgriffs | ok | 15:43 |
| kgriffs | #topic Support the OSSG | 15:43 |
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| kgriffs | so, the OSSG has some great goals, but are having trouble getting traction. I would like us to lead by example here | 15:44 |
| kgriffs | our first mission, should you choose to accept it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/marconi/+bug/1315115 | 15:44 |
| amitgandhi | OSSG? | 15:45 |
| alcabrera | openstack security group, I believe | 15:45 |
| amitgandhi | ah security group | 15:45 |
| amitgandhi | =) | 15:45 |
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| alcabrera | amitgandhi: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists#Security | 15:45 |
| alcabrera | :) | 15:46 |
| kgriffs | someone from the OSSG was going to be here, but they are MIA | 15:46 |
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| kgriffs | (here in this meeting) | 15:46 |
| kgriffs | in any case, any volunteers for taking this bug for juno-1 ? | 15:46 |
| balajiiyer | Just noticed launchpad describes our program as - 'OpenStack Message Queuing Service (Marconi)' :) | 15:46 |
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| kgriffs | ok, well, I am going to schedule the bug for juno-1 and would like someone to pick it up. I can do it, but want to make sure others have the opportunity. :D | 15:49 |
| kgriffs | # topic Cut a new python-marconiclient release for PyPI | 15:50 |
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| kgriffs | this is a quick one | 15:50 |
| kgriffs | now that we have a library that supports all of v1.0 and has baked a bit, we are going to release a 0.0.1 "beta" version | 15:50 |
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| kgriffs | the process has changed since we did 0.0.1a1 so I have to jump through some hoops to get gerrit to let me push the appropriate tag | 15:51 |
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| kgriffs | I need to document the process, but it is similar to this: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Savanna/How_To_Release | 15:52 |
| kgriffs | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Savanna/How_To_Release | 15:52 |
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| kgriffs | #topic Write the Docs! | 15:53 |
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| kgriffs | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/marconi-wiki-sitemap | 15:53 |
| kgriffs | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Marconi/home | 15:54 |
| kgriffs | so, I need LOTS of help in writing the docs | 15:54 |
| kgriffs | :D | 15:54 |
| kgriffs | :D | 15:54 |
| kgriffs | :D | 15:54 |
| alcabrera | hehe | 15:54 |
| alcabrera | oh yes | 15:54 |
| kgriffs | The etherpad is really for brainstorming | 15:54 |
| alcabrera | there's much documentation to write | 15:54 |
| kgriffs | I created a new home page to start sussing things out | 15:54 |
| alcabrera | I'm going to try to drop some in over the SUmmer on storage driver creation | 15:55 |
| alcabrera | third party support and such | 15:55 |
| kgriffs | alcabrera: +1 | 15:55 |
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| malini | kgriffs: when do you need this done? | 15:55 |
| kgriffs | so, I need several people to help feel out some of the contributor sections and beef up the user guide so we can make it easier for people to win Udoo boards | 15:55 |
| kgriffs | s/feel/fill | 15:56 |
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| kgriffs | malini: I would like some sections done before the summit, such as "your first patch" | 15:56 |
| vkmc | I could help with the contributors part | 15:56 |
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| kgriffs | I need someone to also figure out a way to publish the API reference to the wiki or as RST (user guide) this week. | 15:56 |
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| kgriffs | #action vkmc to start writing "getting started" section of the Contributor's Guide | 15:57 |
| vkmc | :D | 15:57 |
| malini | kgriffs: Can you identify the before summit sections, so we can rally around that? | 15:58 |
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| kgriffs | yes | 15:58 |
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| kgriffs | The "getting started" guide for new contributors | 15:58 |
| kgriffs | that has several sections people can work on | 15:58 |
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| kgriffs | the last one is less important for the summit (write the docs) | 15:59 |
| prashanthr_ | i can also join in. | 15:59 |
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| kgriffs | #action prashanthr_ to help with getting started guide | 15:59 |
| alcabrera | yay! | 15:59 |
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| alcabrera | thanks, prashanthr_, vkmc | 15:59 |
| kgriffs | prashanthr_, vkmc, malini we need a list of "low-hanging fruit" work items | 15:59 |
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| kgriffs | for now, just make a manual list | 16:00 |
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| kgriffs | and link it under "your first patch" | 16:00 |
| malini | ok | 16:00 |
| malini | I'll find a few easy stuff | 16:00 |
| kgriffs | #action malini to make list of candidates for "your first patch" | 16:00 |
| vkmc | Cool :) | 16:00 |
| kgriffs | finally, I need someone to play with Maven and get the API reference published somewhere | 16:00 |
| prashanthr_ | :) | 16:01 |
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| kgriffs | everyone, please be cognizant of the URI scheme and name pages accordingly. | 16:01 |
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| kgriffs | make things hierarchical | 16:02 |
| kgriffs | all lower-case (except for the initial "Marconi") | 16:02 |
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| kgriffs | and separate words with "-" not "_" | 16:02 |
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| kgriffs | ok, we are out of time folks | 16:02 |
| kgriffs | 30 seconds | 16:02 |
| kgriffs | #topic open discussion | 16:02 |
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| vkmc | I was wondering if we could add something like this in the wiki http://developer.rackspace.com/blog/openstack-marconi-api.html | 16:03 |
| vkmc | I found it extremely useful | 16:03 |
| vkmc | I know it's the basics, but for people just getting started is great | 16:04 |
| cpallares | vkmc: +1 | 16:04 |
| prashanthr_ | yes that's really useful. | 16:04 |
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| abettadapur_ | I agree, this was helpful yesterday | 16:04 |
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| alcabrera | sounds wonderful | 16:04 |
| kgriffs | That article is linked from the new home page, but I agree it should go somewhere - either user guide or wiki | 16:04 |
| alcabrera | let's at least link it | 16:04 |
| vkmc | I would like to add it if you all agree | 16:04 |
| malini | vkmc: +1 | 16:04 |
| alcabrera | vkmc: +1 | 16:05 |
| kgriffs | vkmc: sure, let's find a logical home | 16:05 |
| kgriffs | #action vkmc to find a home for http://developer.rackspace.com/blog/openstack-marconi-api.html within the docs | 16:05 |
| vkmc | Great! :) | 16:05 |
| kgriffs | thanks everyone! | 16:05 |
| kgriffs | #endmeeting | 16:05 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 6 16:05:32 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:05 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-05-06-15.01.html | 16:05 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-05-06-15.01.txt | 16:05 |
| vkmc | Thanks! o/ | 16:05 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-05-06-15.01.log.html | 16:05 |
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| rajdeep | hi all | 16:09 |
| rajdeep | are we having the solum meeting today? | 16:09 |
| roshanagr | Hi Rajdeep | 16:09 |
| rajdeep | Hi | 16:10 |
| roshanagr | Yes I hope so. | 16:10 |
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| the_instructions | i should think so, i think adrian's just running a little late | 16:10 |
| roshanagr | I am checking with folks | 16:10 |
| rajdeep | at what time? | 16:10 |
| roshanagr | should have started 10 mins back | 16:10 |
| roshanagr | I am jumping into #solum to see if there is an update | 16:11 |
| rajdeep | ok | 16:11 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 16:11 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 6 16:11:38 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:11 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 16:11 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | my apologies for the late start today. I was distracted. | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 16:12 | |
| paulmo | Paul Montgomery | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:12 |
| the_instructions | Ed Cranford | 16:12 |
| noorul | Noorul Islam K M | 16:12 |
| ravips | Ravi Sankar | 16:12 |
| muralia | murali allada | 16:12 |
| roshanagr | Roshan Agrawal | 16:12 |
| aratim | Arati Mahimane | 16:12 |
| devkulkarni | Devdatta | 16:12 |
| tomblank | tom blankenship | 16:12 |
| stannie | Pierre Padrixe | 16:12 |
| julienvey | Julien Vey | 16:12 |
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| rajdeep | rajdeep dua | 16:12 |
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| adrian_otto | Welcome everyone! | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 16:13 | |
| adrian_otto | (none prepared) | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | We do have a Demo | 16:13 |
| paulmo | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/solum_m2_demo | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/Demo is currently pointing to the M2 demo page | 16:14 |
| the_instructions | oh boy do we | 16:14 |
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| adrian_otto | so all team members should be aware of this | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | I ask that we all give it a try and shake out all the kinks | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | there was one known problem as of yesterday evening where the image build process was not completing | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | so new assemblies were not exiting BUILDING state | 16:15 |
| julienvey | just a question, why are we refering to rackers git repo for the ui ? | 16:15 |
| stannie | can we rappatriate the solum-m2 demo ? | 16:15 |
| the_instructions | it better not still be pointing at mine | 16:15 |
| the_instructions | oh right rackerlabs is also a racker | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | stannie: rappatriate? | 16:16 |
| the_instructions | repatriate | 16:16 |
| stannie | sorry :) | 16:16 |
| the_instructions | he's suggesting we move it to somewhere not rax-affiliated | 16:16 |
| rajdeep | is there a plan to have a hosted demo version | 16:16 |
| rajdeep | it is easier for people to try | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | yes, of course we will. | 16:17 |
| stannie | ok | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | rajdeep: we are exploring that. There are some pitfalls with a hosted system we have not solved yet. It may be subject to abuse. | 16:18 |
| rajdeep | great! any projected dates | 16:18 |
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| rajdeep | i think it is super important | 16:18 |
| the_instructions | until delete-assembly works having a hosted demo is going to look like an elevator that can only go up | 16:18 |
| rajdeep | for any paas to get some love from developers | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | the_instructions: I was able to delete an assembly yesterday | 16:19 |
| the_instructions | oh cool | 16:19 |
| ravips | is this the demo for Juno design summit? | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | I will have a video | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | so eanyone can just watch the video of the demo to get a sense of things in a couple of minutes | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | s/eanyone/anyone/ | 16:19 |
| ravips | nice! | 16:20 |
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| adrian_otto | and then longer term we can sort out how best to do a hosted demo | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | I am happy to talk about that more in Open Discussion today. | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | ok, other announcements from other team members? | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 16:21 |
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| adrian_otto | (no action items recorded last week) | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Tasks | 16:21 |
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| adrian_otto | https://launchpad.net/solum/+milestone/2014.1.2 | 16:21 |
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| adrian_otto | sort that list by importance | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1316316 will be fixed ASAP | 16:22 |
| julienvey | we can't manage to have a working version of Solum :( | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | that same issue may also be related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1315459 which is about a similar symptom where the Assembly state enters BUILDING and never exits (when using a Devstack system configured to produce VM's) | 16:23 |
| the_instructions | works on my machine! | 16:23 |
| * the_instructions ducks | 16:23 | |
| julienvey | the_instructions: xD | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | we have 10 High priority bugs | 16:24 |
| julienvey | adrian_otto: we also have the "Never exists BUILDING state" with almost no logs :( | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | I worked on the Documentation Review: #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1313931 | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | so I am assigning that to me | 16:25 |
| julienvey | s/exists/exits | 16:25 |
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| adrian_otto | julienvey: are you referring to this : https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1315459 ? | 16:25 |
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| julienvey | adrian_otto: yes | 16:26 |
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| adrian_otto | I'd like a volunteer to take that one | 16:26 |
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| adrian_otto | the localrc needed to reproduce that is in the bug ticket | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | I also have a system that exhibits the symptom | 16:27 |
| julienvey | adrian_otto: actually not exactly the same one | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | that I can supply remote login access to | 16:27 |
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| julienvey | adrian_otto: we are stuck in BUILDING but not with the neutron error in the logs | 16:27 |
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| adrian_otto | julienvey: I know we have at least two root causes for that symptom | 16:28 |
| noorul | julienvey: I think https://review.openstack.org/#/c/92171/ fixes it. | 16:28 |
| the_instructions | i should hope it does | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | It is clear to me that Solum in its current form is too hard to debug | 16:28 |
| the_instructions | i haven't seen problems with neutron or with docker intermittently failing myself | 16:29 |
| julienvey | adrian_otto: agree | 16:29 |
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| adrian_otto | I really want a unified log where I can look to see what's happening chronologically. | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | and I'd like for additional status to be exposed through the assembly rest resource | 16:29 |
| julienvey | adrian_otto: we should work on this https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1302552 | 16:29 |
| julienvey | bash scripts don't have proper logs and are hard to debug | 16:30 |
| the_instructions | ^^ | 16:30 |
| julienvey | and currently, almost everything happen in the scripts | 16:30 |
| stannie | yes I agree converting the bash scripts in python will help to have proper logs | 16:30 |
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| noorul | julienvey: I agree :) | 16:30 |
| julienvey | the_instructions: just saw your comment :) | 16:30 |
| stannie | and we would avoid to have to parse CLI outputs etc | 16:30 |
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| the_instructions | 92171 was just merged | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | julienvey: if we can address Angu's stated concern about making them executable from a script (I think this is doable) | 16:31 |
| stannie | while we could simple call python-glanceclient in a python | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | the_instructions: yay | 16:31 |
| the_instructions | julienvey: yes, sorry i didn't get more done toward that conversion, i've been focused on the demo | 16:31 |
| julienvey | the_instructions: no problem :) | 16:31 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, so I targeted https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1302552 to juno-1 | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | I agree that would be an improvement | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | and I would welcome any patches that add log messages (or at least STDOUT form the scripts) so it's easier to see what's happening | 16:33 |
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| adrian_otto | https://launchpad.net/solum/+milestone/2014.1.2 | 16:34 |
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| adrian_otto | https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1307703 was unassigned, so I assigned that to paulcz (fix committed) | 16:35 |
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| adrian_otto | aratim: can you update us on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1315139 please? | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1315139 | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1315139 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1315139 | 16:37 |
| aratim | adrian_otto: yes, I have a patch for that - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91674/1 | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | my irc client is being tricky with me | 16:37 |
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| adrian_otto | Workaround: Use pecan instead of wsme for TriggerController's post method | 16:37 |
| aratim | I will address devdatta's comment on my patch and resubmit it | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | why is Jenkins unhappy with that patch? | 16:38 |
| aratim | also the devstack gate is failing so need to rebase | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | and devkulkarni | 16:38 |
| devkulkarni | yes | 16:38 |
| devkulkarni | the delete-assembly bug status update | 16:38 |
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| devkulkarni | working on it. realized that functionaltests are failing because I am not deleting assembly anymore immediately | 16:39 |
| devkulkarni | also addressing noorul's comments | 16:39 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, so we are in good shape on each of those | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | does anyone have any worries about where we are currently? | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1316338 is low hanging fruit | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | I should figure out how to mark it as such | 16:41 |
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| julienvey | adrian_otto: you could add a tag, as other integrated projects do | 16:41 |
| julienvey | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=low-hanging-fruit | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | julienvey: good idea. I will do that | 16:41 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 16:43 |
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| devkulkarni | did we get any time slots for next week's summit? | 16:43 |
| julienvey | devkulkarni: was about to ask the same question! | 16:44 |
| the_instructions | i thought we got two | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | yes, let me give you a link | 16:44 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/Summit Solum at OpenStack Summit | 16:44 |
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| adrian_otto | I ask that everyone on the Solum team do everything possible to attend all three of these. | 16:45 |
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| adrian_otto | are any of you not attending in Atlanta? | 16:46 |
| noorul | Apart from that are we meeting as a team ? | 16:46 |
| the_instructions | I'll be there TWTh | 16:46 |
| julienvey | I think the last slot is about team discussion | 16:46 |
| julienvey | http://openstacksummitmay2014atlanta.sched.org/event/6e53527347d56d67120decd49bbac53b#.U2kR1-Z_vZB noorul | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | I propose we cancel next week's IRC meeting and conduct our business on Wednesday at the link above | 16:47 |
| the_instructions | sounds like fun | 16:47 |
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| adrian_otto | this will be a very exciting Summit for us | 16:47 |
| adrian_otto | I will also mention that I have been very focused on keeping our bug/task list up to date, and fully prioritized | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | are all of you finding that resource to be helpful for clarity on where to focus your efforts? | 16:48 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: is there any homework that we need to do this week regarding the program/project mission statement before next week? | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | is there anything we could be doing better? | 16:49 |
| julienvey | adrian_otto: Great work on this | 16:49 |
| devkulkarni | +1 | 16:49 |
| noorul | adrian_otto: +1 | 16:49 |
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| julienvey | should we prepare some discussions point for the meeting on Wednesday ? | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: excellent question. I will take an action item to revise that further | 16:50 |
| noorul | Oops, I meant, I second julienvey | 16:50 |
| julienvey | maybe share an etherpad ? | 16:50 |
| roshanagr | julienvey: I will take that action | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | and open an ML discussion asking for input on the etherpad as we refine that and get it close to what we want to adopt | 16:50 |
| julienvey | roshanagr: great | 16:50 |
| devkulkarni | and add that to our list of etherpads at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum | 16:50 |
| roshanagr | ok | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | #action roshanagr to revise mission statement wiki, and publish to ML requesting input on revised draft. | 16:51 |
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| adrian_otto | goal is to have us feeling "close" as we enter our Wednesday discussion | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: good point | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to add the solum mission etherpad to our wiki page | 16:52 |
| roshanagr | Environments: do we feel we need to meet tomorrow on IRC on the topic | 16:52 |
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| adrian_otto | roshanagr: to be clear, I'd like to transfer the etherpad to a wiki page for the mission | 16:52 |
| julienvey | about the etherpad I was more thinking about future development discussions | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | and invite edits to that | 16:53 |
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| roshanagr | adrian_otto: ok | 16:53 |
| tomblank | julienvey: +1. i think we need a list of topics for our Wednesday discussion and i thought that's what Roshanagr was agreeing to start. | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | just mark it as DRAFT so there is no confusion about it's status until after we agree | 16:53 |
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| roshanagr | yes :-) | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | oh | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | should I take back the other AI? | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | or will you accept both? | 16:54 |
| tomblank | i think we need both :) | 16:54 |
| roshanagr | but I am happy to take the mission statement as well if there are no other takers | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | roshanagr: <3 | 16:54 |
| roshanagr | I have it. | 16:54 |
| tomblank | roshanagr: thanks! | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | #action roshanagr to make a list of topics for the Summit discussion on Wednesday, and circulate it for input. | 16:55 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, any other discussion, or would you like to wrap up a few minutes early today? | 16:55 |
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| roshanagr | Environments | 16:55 |
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| roshanagr | should we meet tomorrow, or just discuss at the summit? | 16:56 |
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| adrian_otto | meet tomorrow, and put it on our agenda for next week too | 16:56 |
| devkulkarni | discuss at summit | 16:56 |
| roshanagr | cool. lets do both. | 16:56 |
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| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: We don't have anything new to discuss this week? | 16:56 |
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| devkulkarni | yeah, we can meet tomorrow too | 16:57 |
| devkulkarni | just thought looking at the etherpad that there was not much work happened | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | roshanagr: please list he Environments meeting at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/BreakoutMeetings | 16:58 |
| roshanagr | adrian_otto: okay | 16:58 |
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| devkulkarni | so may be allow the team to think about environments till next week and then have informed discussion | 16:58 |
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| adrian_otto | I am happy to regroup on that the week after the summit if you feel there's not enough to discuss tomorrow | 16:58 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, w'eel do that | 16:58 |
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| adrian_otto | #agreed no Environments meeting tomorrow, we will discuss in Atlanta | 16:59 |
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| adrian_otto | #agreed no Weekly Team Meeting on 2014-05-13 | 16:59 |
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| adrian_otto | next meeting is 2014-05-20 at 1600 UTC | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | thanks everyone! | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 6 17:00:17 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-05-06-16.11.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-05-06-16.11.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-05-06-16.11.log.html | 17:00 |
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| ruhe | #startmeeting murano | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 6 17:02:59 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ruhe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:03 |
| ativelkov | o/ | 17:03 |
| ruhe | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda#Agenda | 17:03 |
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| gokrokve | Georgy Okrokvertskhov | 17:03 |
| ativelkov | Alexander Tivelkov | 17:03 |
| sjmc7 | Steve McLellan | 17:03 |
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| ankurrr | Ankur RIshi | 17:03 |
| btully | Brian Tully | 17:03 |
| dteselkin_ | Dmitry Teselkin | 17:04 |
| ruhe | i wonder where's tsufiev, sergemenlikyan, katyafervent ? | 17:04 |
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| ruhe | ok, let's proceed | 17:04 |
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| ruhe | #topic Action Items Review | 17:04 |
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| ruhe | there was an AI for me: ruhe to create release-0.5 branches | 17:05 |
| ruhe | murano-api and murano-dashboard have a branch release-0.5 | 17:05 |
| ruhe | #info murano-api and murano-dashboard have a branch release-0.5 | 17:05 |
| ruhe | tags are not cut yet because all the latest critical bug fixes landed today | 17:06 |
| ruhe | will discuss release in the next topic | 17:06 |
| ruhe | #topic Release status | 17:06 |
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| ruhe | #link https://launchpad.net/murano/+milestone/0.5 | 17:06 |
| ruhe | #info all the blueprints are implemented | 17:07 |
| ruhe | #info critical/high priority bugs are fixed | 17:07 |
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| ruhe | i'd like to allocate one more day for QA procedures and if everything's ok release Murano v0.5 tomorrow | 17:08 |
| sjmc7 | woo! | 17:08 |
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| tsufiev | hi | 17:08 |
| ruhe | what do you folks think about releasing 0.5 tomorrow? any concerns? | 17:08 |
| ruhe | tsufiev: hi! better later than never ;) | 17:09 |
| tsufiev | sorry, problems with provider, had to switch to the mobile one | 17:09 |
| gokrokve | I think it is ok to have a release tomorrow | 17:10 |
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| gokrokve | QA team, please do another round of testing | 17:10 |
| gokrokve | Please check that existing converted apps are deployable | 17:10 |
| ruhe | not only QA, but everyone is encouraged to test the release :) | 17:10 |
| gokrokve | Sure | 17:10 |
| ruhe | #info Murano 0.5 to be released on May 7th, 2014 | 17:11 |
| ruhe | #topic Review roadmap | 17:11 |
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| ruhe | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Murano/Roadmap | 17:11 |
| ruhe | sjmc7: i've added your items to the roadmap | 17:12 |
| sjmc7 | thanks ruhe | 17:12 |
| gokrokve | I have two more items to add | 17:12 |
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| sjmc7 | and ruhe - you said priorities will be set during the openstack summit? | 17:13 |
| gokrokve | Autoscaling support in Murano (HOT template with autoscaling, integration with Ceilometer) | 17:13 |
| gokrokve | Boot from Volume support | 17:13 |
| gokrokve | I think yes, we need to sit down and discuss the priorities | 17:13 |
| gokrokve | We can do this on summit | 17:14 |
| gokrokve | I hope we will have a room for that | 17:14 |
| ruhe | sjmc7: i think that all the features you listed are valid and need in the next release. details of the technical implementation might be altered by our design sessions | 17:14 |
| sjmc7 | great | 17:14 |
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| ruhe | gokrokve: could you please add those to the roadmap? | 17:14 |
| gokrokve | Sure. I think we have blueprint for these features | 17:15 |
| gokrokve | Its about events | 17:15 |
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| ruhe | sjmc7: we don't have an official place for our design sessions, but i hope ttx will help stackforge projects to find such a place | 17:16 |
| sjmc7 | ok. i'll keep an ear to the ground | 17:16 |
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| ruhe | but, before we all get together on the summut, it'll be good to review each item from the roadmap and ask questions to submitter (if needed) to save precious time on summit | 17:17 |
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| gokrokve | Sure. We can start discussion on roadmap items in ML | 17:19 |
| ruhe | just to make sure that everyone is familiar with the procedure. page with the roadmap is open of edit to everyone. the only requirement - is to notify the team about changes you've made (or intent to) on the weekly meeting | 17:19 |
| gokrokve | To have broader audience. | 17:19 |
| ruhe | so, we shifted to the next topic | 17:20 |
| ruhe | #topic Plans for the design summit in Atlanta, GA | 17:20 |
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| ruhe | #link http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/ | 17:20 |
| ruhe | we have to must-attend sessions :) | 17:20 |
| ruhe | #link http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/event/b7f067ff055ff7db9c92867f3febe1d9 | 17:21 |
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| ruhe | #link http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/event/556d10915a1a0a2f1aee3ba286826b60 | 17:21 |
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| ruhe | ah, there's one more | 17:22 |
| ruhe | ativelkov: can you please give a link for your design session? | 17:22 |
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| ativelkov | moment | 17:22 |
| ativelkov | #link http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/event/b0e1f0cbefffa942e276f1add9f85d03#.U2kaa16nDWU | 17:22 |
| ruhe | ativelkov: and the link to your design document, please | 17:23 |
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| ativelkov | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tOTsIytVWtXGUaT2Ia4V5PWq4CiTfZPDn6rpRm5In7U/edit?usp=sharing | 17:24 |
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| ruhe | meanwhile, we can follow established procedure and prepare an etherpad with our discussion plans for the summit | 17:25 |
| ruhe | here is an etherpad, please add items for the summit: | 17:25 |
| ruhe | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-juno-design-summit | 17:25 |
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| ruhe | would someone propose some topics right now? | 17:26 |
| ruhe | i'll send a link to ML to invite those, who are not present at the moment | 17:27 |
| igormarnat_ | May I propose number 2, 3, and 4 from out roadmap? | 17:27 |
| igormarnat_ | Align with Heat | 17:27 |
| igormarnat_ | Ceilometer integration | 17:28 |
| igormarnat_ | Use TOSCA (to be discussed) | 17:28 |
| ruhe | igormarnat_: sure, please add those to the etherpad | 17:28 |
| sjmc7 | yes, the heat software deployment stuff is of interest to me as well | 17:28 |
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| ruhe | sjmc7: when do you guys arrive to Atlanta? it'll be nice to gather together on Monday | 17:29 |
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| sjmc7 | it's just me, unfortunately - i arrive monday morning around 9 | 17:30 |
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| ruhe | sjmc7: good. than we can exchange our contacts later to catch at some place. actually, only gokrokve has a US number :) | 17:31 |
| sjmc7 | :) email works too, but yeah, we'll figure something out | 17:31 |
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| ruhe | any other sessions which could be useful for murano team to attend? | 17:32 |
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| ruhe | ah | 17:34 |
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| ruhe | almost forgot it | 17:34 |
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| ruhe | next murano meeting falls on 1PM at Atlanta. it's time when we'll have our cross-project sessions | 17:35 |
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| ruhe | so i propose to cancel meeting on the next week | 17:35 |
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| ruhe | please +1/-1 | 17:35 |
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| ativelkov | +1 | 17:35 |
| sjmc7 | +1 | 17:36 |
| igormarnat_ | +1 | 17:36 |
| sjmc7 | http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/event/3fd9d276d9dd059c54cde3007c178a06#.U2kdQ_ldV4s might be interesting, about heat software orchestration | 17:36 |
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| ruhe | #info weekly meeting on May, 13th is cancelled | 17:37 |
| ruhe | #topic Open discussion | 17:38 |
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| ruhe | it might be a good time to discuss one of blueprints :) | 17:39 |
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| sjmc7 | do you have one in mind, ruhe? | 17:40 |
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| ativelkov | I would like to announce a little change in engine which may simplify the debugability | 17:41 |
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| ativelkov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/92358/ | 17:42 |
| ativelkov | This is a bugfix for some concurrency issue, but it adds two important logging messages | 17:42 |
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| sjmc7 | more logging is definitely good | 17:42 |
| ativelkov | The log will now contain the lines looking like this: %green_thread_id%: Begin execution %method_name% | 17:43 |
| ativelkov | and %green_thread_id%: End execution %method_name% | 17:43 |
| sjmc7 | i've been adding logging here and there as well as we have found issues | 17:44 |
| ativelkov | So, this will allow to understand which MuranoPL methods are being executed | 17:44 |
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| tsufiev_ | ativelkov: have you already told about our today idea? | 17:45 |
| ativelkov | Also, tsufiev_ and me got a very promising idea about buidling a full-fledged debugger for MuranoPL | 17:45 |
| sjmc7 | oo! | 17:45 |
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| tsufiev_ | it is still in draft state :) | 17:46 |
| tsufiev_ | but looks at least doable | 17:46 |
| sjmc7 | in some places i think improving the way exceptions are raised would be a big help, to have more information about what's being executed | 17:46 |
| sjmc7 | currently it's very generic | 17:47 |
| ativelkov | This may require quite a lot of work (mostly related to stopping/pausing the execution, step-in/step-over, breakpoints etc), but some serious improvements can be made even now | 17:47 |
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| ativelkov | For example, when reporting an exception, we may return the line number for the expression being executed | 17:47 |
| ativelkov | line - in MuranoPL code | 17:48 |
| sjmc7 | yeah, that kind of thing would be easy to do now | 17:48 |
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| sjmc7 | well, easy-ish | 17:48 |
| ruhe | ativelkov: tsufiev_ : will there be a plugin for pycharm? ;) | 17:48 |
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| tsufiev_ | ruhe: perhaps after juno ;) | 17:49 |
| ativelkov | ruhe: we think of a web-based debugger, right in browser | 17:49 |
| ativelkov | but it will require tons of work just to build its APIs and UI | 17:49 |
| tsufiev_ | actually, more on API side | 17:50 |
| tsufiev_ | on UI a couple of ajax-functions here and there would be sufficient | 17:50 |
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| tsufiev_ | it will be just a proxy passing commands to API and receiving results back... but if we are to implement stack frames inspection, watching some variables, it will of course much harder... | 17:52 |
| tsufiev_ | anyway, even web-based gdb will be a huge step forward :) | 17:52 |
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| ruhe | the only concern i have about all this - is the amount of work you guys will need to do. and how it compares with other items from the roadmap in terms of priority | 17:54 |
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| tsufiev_ | yeah, i have also a moderate-sized list of cool things to change in dynamic UI | 17:55 |
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| ativelkov | This is definetly not the highest priority | 17:55 |
| ativelkov | What I want to do is to design this thing in details | 17:56 |
| ativelkov | and leave the design as blueprint | 17:56 |
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| ativelkov | Somebody may pick it later | 17:56 |
| ruhe | ativelkov: that's a nice start | 17:56 |
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| ruhe | 3 minutes left, anything else? | 17:57 |
| tsufiev_ | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/muranopl-stacktrace we can start with this blueprint | 17:57 |
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| ruhe | tsufiev_: this one i would definitely support | 17:58 |
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| tsufiev_ | ruhe: i think we can add file:line info to exceptions in the nearest future, and other big debugging features a bit later | 17:59 |
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| ativelkov | +1 | 17:59 |
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| ativelkov | we are out of time folks | 18:00 |
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| ruhe | all, right. we need to wrap up :) | 18:00 |
| ruhe | thanks everyone! | 18:00 |
| ativelkov | thanks | 18:00 |
| tsufiev_ | :) | 18:00 |
| ruhe | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 6 18:00:57 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
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| jistr | o/ | 19:02 |
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| marios | o/ hi | 19:02 |
| lifeless | morning | 19:02 |
| jcoufal | o/ | 19:02 |
| jprovazn | hi | 19:02 |
| lifeless | #startmeeting tripleo | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 6 19:02:22 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lifeless. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
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| jdob | o/ | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 19:02 |
| dshulyak_ | o/ | 19:02 |
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| derekh_ | hi | 19:03 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 19:04 |
| chuckC | hi | 19:04 |
| bnemec | o/ | 19:04 |
| lifeless | #topic agenda | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:04 | |
| lsmola | hola | 19:04 |
| lifeless | bugs | 19:04 |
| lifeless | reviews | 19:04 |
| lifeless | Projects needing releases | 19:04 |
| lifeless | CD Cloud status | 19:04 |
| lifeless | CI | 19:04 |
| lifeless | Insert one-off agenda items here | 19:04 |
| lifeless | open discussion | 19:04 |
| tchaypo | \o | 19:04 |
| lifeless | #topic bugs | 19:04 |
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| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 19:05 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/ | 19:05 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-refresh-config | 19:05 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config | 19:05 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config | 19:05 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar | 19:05 |
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| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tuskarclient | 19:05 |
| SpamapS | o/ | 19:05 |
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| shadower | o/ | 19:06 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: that new trusty race is nasty | 19:07 |
| tchaypo | Progress on #1290486 - mestery was able to reproduce it in a non-tripleo context iff he used vlan flows; it sounds like it's been tracked down to a bit of code that recreates some types of flow but not others | 19:07 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: indeed | 19:07 |
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| derekh_ | Patch up for https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1272803 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91333/ | 19:08 |
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| SpamapS | Some users have been trying to build on Debian unstable.. and failing because RabbitMQ 3.3 rejects the 'guest' user from non local hosts. | 19:09 |
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| SpamapS | that is bug 1315474 | 19:09 |
| lifeless | patch for https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/1314021 failed CI, I haven't looked why yet | 19:09 |
| lifeless | loverly | 19:09 |
| SpamapS | anyway, I feel like the bug situation is "meh" right now.. we have some.. we're not falling too far behind.. we're keeping up with triage.. | 19:09 |
| SpamapS | most of our bugs are actually out in the other projects really | 19:10 |
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| lifeless | derekh_: tiny nit in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91333/ | 19:11 |
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| lifeless | slagle: any news on https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1287453 ? | 19:11 |
| derekh_ | lifeless: thanks will fix | 19:12 |
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| lifeless | derekh_: any news on https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1308407 ? | 19:12 |
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| SpamapS | lifeless: oh, are we tracking bugs in os-cloud-config at tripleo or do we need to add another bug link? | 19:13 |
| derekh_ | lifeless: fungi took a look on thrusday and mentioned prefering a deterministic approach over the random shuffly I've proposed , I'm not sure how possible this will be but have tried it yet | 19:13 |
| SpamapS | I feel like it should have its own. | 19:13 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: I don't think we've made the lp projest for it | 19:13 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: we should | 19:13 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: volunteering? | 19:14 |
| SpamapS | why not | 19:14 |
| lifeless | anyone know dougal matthews IRC? https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar/+bug/1308172 | 19:15 |
| bnemec | lifeless: d0ugal I think | 19:16 |
| shadower | lifeless: d0ugal | 19:16 |
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| lifeless | d0ugal: ^ | 19:16 |
| Ng | .o/ | 19:16 |
| lifeless | Ng: o/ - wondering if you or GheRivero found time to look at the trusty race? | 19:16 |
| SpamapS | https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-cloud-config no bugs, \o/ ;) | 19:18 |
| Ng | lifeless: I got completely sidetracked by calls and planning of things, sorry :( | 19:18 |
| Ng | lifeless: I believe Ghe was going to look at it, but I don't know if he got to it yet | 19:19 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: can you link it in the wiki pages too? meeting + tripleo overview; and I guess we need a patch for incubator to describe that we use it :) | 19:19 |
| lifeless | ok, moving on with the meeting | 19:19 |
| dprince | SpamapS: BTW. just found this w/ heat-api. Would like to do a revert to fix it: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/92439/ | 19:19 |
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| lifeless | dprince: oh wow, classy | 19:20 |
| lifeless | dprince: yeah, we no-proxy everything in devtest because of bad ip ranges vs corp proxies | 19:20 |
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| lifeless | #topic reviews | 19:22 |
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| lifeless | reviewstats still broken for tripleo at least | 19:22 |
| bnemec | lifeless: Should be fixed with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91173/ | 19:23 |
| bnemec | One second, I can paste the current numbers. | 19:23 |
| jdob | bnemec: is that going to take into account the specs repo too? | 19:23 |
| SpamapS | dprince: instead of revert, maybe just change to X-Forwarded-Host ? | 19:23 |
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| bnemec | lifeless: http://paste.openstack.org/show/79231/ | 19:24 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: http://www.stackalytics.com/report/contribution/tripleo-group/30 still is useful. | 19:24 |
| bnemec | jdob: Probably not yet. | 19:24 |
| SpamapS | http://www.stackalytics.com/report/reviews/tripleo-group/open too | 19:24 |
| bnemec | It needs to be added to the project list. | 19:24 |
| dprince | SpamapS: But I feel like this is just wrong. The Blueprint itself is actually all wrong! | 19:25 |
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| lifeless | SpamapS: no, there are other header folk use | 19:25 |
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| dprince | SpamapS: I thought about doing that. Simple enough... but this one just seemed to be off beat all around. | 19:25 |
| SpamapS | mmkay | 19:25 |
| SpamapS | IIRC that patch enabled using stunnel.. but maybe not | 19:26 |
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| SpamapS | since it is like..dead wrong ;) | 19:26 |
| lifeless | huh, no, no impact on stunnel | 19:26 |
| bnemec | openreviews: http://paste.openstack.org/show/79232/ | 19:26 |
| SpamapS | anyway, let's just leave that for #heat | 19:27 |
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| lifeless | Median wait time: 5 days, 1 hours, 42 minutes | 19:28 |
| lifeless | 3rd quartile wait time: 11 days, 2 hours, 26 minutes | 19:29 |
| lifeless | so we're still bad but not getting dramatically worse | 19:29 |
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| tchaypo | I notice that a lot of the really old ones are still the "make X configurable" ones. Have we -2d all the ones that could be switched to the passthrough model? | 19:29 |
| lifeless | looks like a bunch of our core reviewers have dropped down a little in volume | 19:29 |
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| lifeless | I thought we had | 19:30 |
| tchaypo | If so, it sounds like the ones that remain deserve some attention - some are 60 days old | 19:30 |
| SpamapS | yeah I've been just barely > 3 per day | 19:30 |
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| lifeless | tchaypo: clearly :) | 19:31 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: good effective non-core reviews to get things into shape can be a great help here | 19:31 |
| bnemec | Yeah, I think all those glance "Make X configurable" patches need -2's. | 19:32 |
| bnemec | Was on my todo list. :-) | 19:32 |
| * tchaypo smells some kind of hint | 19:32 | |
| lifeless | ok another review topic is | 19:32 |
| lifeless | specs repo | 19:32 |
| SpamapS | I wonder if, as cores, we should focus on those with +1's already. I tend to alternate, picking one with no votes, and then one with +1's | 19:32 |
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| lifeless | I mailed the list | 19:32 |
| slagle | i tend to start with oldest first | 19:32 |
| lifeless | but - to reinforce // provoke thought | 19:33 |
| bnemec | slagle: +1 | 19:33 |
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| lifeless | My proposal is that -specs starts with PTL only +A | 19:33 |
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| Ng | +1 | 19:33 |
| SpamapS | I'm fine w/ that | 19:33 |
| lifeless | so cores review it to +2; final ack from me. | 19:33 |
| greghaynes | +1 | 19:33 |
| lifeless | erm 2x+2 I mean | 19:33 |
| jdob | i'm fine with that too, as long as you're not worried about getting buried by it | 19:34 |
| lifeless | I'm toying with consensus | 19:34 |
| jistr | jdob: +1 | 19:34 |
| bnemec | +1. I think that's the way blueprints work in some projects anyway (only the PTL can approve). | 19:34 |
| lifeless | jdob: I'm buried by blueprints atm, this is much more structured and easy to eyeball | 19:34 |
| lifeless | so I hope it will be much better | 19:34 |
| jdob | excellent | 19:34 |
| Ng | lifeless: I'd say let's see how it goes. If you find you're just rubber stamping what the cores have already consensed, then you can devolve the +A to core folks | 19:34 |
| lifeless | right | 19:35 |
| slagle | sounds good to me if only you can +A, but i'd like to see more input than just 2 other +2's | 19:35 |
| derekh_ | sounds good to me | 19:35 |
| slagle | but i guess that's on folks to make sure they're reviewing | 19:35 |
| lifeless | slagle: ideally I'd like every core to be on-board with every spec | 19:35 |
| lifeless | slagle: but I suspect thats not scalable | 19:35 |
| slagle | yea | 19:35 |
| lifeless | slagle: I think we do need every core to follow every specs commit | 19:36 |
| lifeless | so they know whats happening in the reiview pipeline | 19:36 |
| greghaynes | can that be auto'd somehow? | 19:36 |
| SpamapS | I hope not | 19:36 |
| lifeless | greghaynes: subscribe to the branch in gerrit ? | 19:36 |
| greghaynes | hehe | 19:36 |
| jdob | my hesitation against saying every core is that it puts a potential bottleneck | 19:36 |
| lifeless | greghaynes: and feed it into your machine-brain interface? | 19:36 |
| SpamapS | auto subscribe, sure, but don't enforce that rule ... | 19:37 |
| jdob | a good majority makes sense | 19:37 |
| SpamapS | one person goes on vacation and we can't approve specs.. bad state | 19:37 |
| jdob | SpamapS: exactly what i was just gonna say, vacation | 19:37 |
| lifeless | right | 19:37 |
| lifeless | I think we'll iterate | 19:37 |
| marios | lifeless: btw, neutron has a rule where if it isn't a bugfix, every review must have an associated blueprint in specs repo. are also doing this? | 19:37 |
| SpamapS | so just make it a reasonably wide swath of cores and perhaps a mininum amount of time before +A to allow wide review | 19:37 |
| jdob | are specs going to be a separate section in this meeting? | 19:38 |
| lifeless | the key points are: a) we expect cores to help review specs. b) for now, only PTL +A specs. | 19:38 |
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| lifeless | jdob: perhaps?! | 19:38 |
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| jdob | i'd say yes, after reviews treat the specs explicitly and make sure we're on top of them | 19:38 |
| lifeless | marios: we haven't so far, and I'm worried about the impact on e.g. refactoring work | 19:38 |
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| lifeless | marios: also there are IMO many cases where bugfixes need specs | 19:39 |
| marios | lifeless: yeah, my question was more rhetorical and along the lines of 'make sure we don't just slow everything down even more with this process and any rules we come up with'... like the all cores discussed above | 19:39 |
| lifeless | marios: its the nature of the change, not whether or not it's unbreaking something we thought works, that drives the need for design review | 19:39 |
| lifeless | marios: +1 | 19:40 |
| * SpamapS is being pulled AFK by meatspace ... bbiab | 19:40 | |
| lifeless | #action lifeless to summarise specs stuff and add section to meeting | 19:40 |
| lifeless | #topic | 19:40 |
| lifeless | Projects needing releases | 19:40 |
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| lifeless | #topic Projects needing releases | 19:40 |
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| lifeless | ok so no volunteers ? | 19:42 |
| lifeless | [see what I did there :P] | 19:42 |
| lifeless | slagle: perhaps you could do a release run | 19:43 |
| lifeless | ? | 19:43 |
| tchaypo | I think I saw a few weeks ago that the release process is at least fairly documented, right? | 19:43 |
| lifeless | slagle: I'm expecting to be totally swamped this week | 19:43 |
| slagle | perhaps i could! | 19:43 |
| slagle | i can do it | 19:43 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: it is indeed | 19:43 |
| lifeless | slagle: thankyou, muchly appreciated | 19:44 |
| lifeless | #topi | 19:44 |
| lifeless | #topic CD Cloud status | 19:44 |
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| tchaypo | I'll see if I can find the notes and have a dummy run through them | 19:44 |
| lifeless | I believe both regions are behaving themselves atm | 19:45 |
| jdob | tchaypo: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TripleO/ReleaseManagement | 19:45 |
| lifeless | derekh_: ^ ? | 19:45 |
| jdob | tchaypo: i wanted to do the same thing, just haven't had a chance to yet | 19:45 |
| derekh_ | lifeless: yup, no major outages at the moment | 19:45 |
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| tchaypo | jdob: You robbed me of the fun of digging for the URL. Thanks :) | 19:46 |
| lifeless | #topic CI | 19:46 |
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| jdob | tchaypo: hehe | 19:46 |
| derekh_ | lifeless: I did try to bring up a baremetal node to test differences on R1 speeds but it failed, have to get back to it | 19:46 |
| lifeless | derekh_: ^ | 19:46 |
| lifeless | bwah, wifi jitter here is terrible | 19:46 |
| derekh_ | so I'm thinking we could do 3 things to help with capacity | 19:46 |
| lifeless | 2s local pings | 19:46 |
| derekh_ | as we get a long backlog pretty much every day | 19:47 |
| tchaypo | Where is here? | 19:47 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: home | 19:47 |
| derekh_ | 1. Get rid of the seed job, until such time as its not a subset of the other 2 jobs | 19:47 |
| tchaypo | Land of the long white ping? | 19:47 |
| derekh_ | 2. Move the ironic-undercloud to tripleo-expermental, then when it works swap it for the iron-seed job (assuming its also a subset) | 19:47 |
| derekh_ | 3. get us back to 8G nodepool instances https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91545/1 | 19:47 |
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| lifeless | derekh_: 3 looks safest to me | 19:48 |
| lifeless | derekh_: we can perhaps increase the HP region size a bit now more hardware is online | 19:49 |
| lifeless | derekh_: note that we need to make the testenvs substantially bigger soon for HA | 19:49 |
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| derekh_ | lifeless: I was kind of hoping we could do all 3 :-) | 19:49 |
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| lifeless | derekh_: I think this needs a little list discussion for 1 and 2 | 19:50 |
| derekh_ | lifeless: ok (on testenv increase, how much bigger ? | 19:50 |
| derekh_ | lifeless: ok, want me to mail list ? | 19:50 |
| lifeless | derekh_: well we need 3 nodes for ctl plane, and we'll need nodes for swift and cinder too very soon | 19:50 |
| lifeless | derekh_: I'm thinking we perhaps need to oversubscribe the testenv hosts a little (at least on CPU) | 19:51 |
| derekh_ | lifeless: while we're on the testenv size, should we bring it down to 2G nodes ? as this is what devtest uses ? | 19:51 |
| lifeless | derekh_: yeah | 19:51 |
| lifeless | derekh_: mailing list - yes please | 19:51 |
| derekh_ | lifeless: ok on oversubscribing, will at patch to downlize testenvs and will mail list on some of the jobs | 19:52 |
| lifeless | I'd like us to find a way to do scale tests as a periodic thing soon | 19:52 |
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| lifeless | I'm talking to mgmt in HP about getting some more resources to enable that | 19:53 |
| derekh_ | lifeless: ok, sounds good | 19:53 |
| lifeless | e.g. we should run a 200 node job nightly | 19:53 |
| lifeless | I'm starting to think we need to prioritise the revamp of testenv stuff to be natively hosted on nova | 19:54 |
| lifeless | to be able to more flexibly use resources | 19:54 |
| lifeless | I think we need a spec for TripleO that calls out the changes needed to nova/neutron/etc, which we can then seek cross-project buyin on. | 19:54 |
| tchaypo | we're getting close to time - is there anything else that anyone wants to raise before we go? | 19:54 |
| lifeless | any volunteers to capture such stuff ? | 19:54 |
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| lifeless | tchaypo: sill in the CI section for a little more :) | 19:55 |
| lifeless | *still* | 19:55 |
| derekh_ | lifeless: if you want to point me the right direction I could have a stab at it | 19:55 |
| bnemec | lifeless: Basically the TripleO on OpenStack work? | 19:55 |
| * derekh_ currently doesn't know what the shortcommings are but could take a educated guees | 19:56 | |
| lifeless | bnemec: yeah, I am sure we will touch on it at the summit, but basically I'm thinking a spec in the specs repo that identifies all the issues that testenvs let us work around | 19:56 |
| lifeless | derekh_: ^ | 19:56 |
| lifeless | iif someone gets a draft up we can brainstorm issues on it | 19:56 |
| tchaypo | lifeless: sorry, didn't mean to hurry you; I was thinking of quick "please read and comment on X" things | 19:56 |
| bnemec | lifeless: Yeah, I've been poking at that this week in prep for the summit discussion. | 19:56 |
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| lifeless | bnemec: cool; when you have a few minutes, capturing the tripleo-on-openstack aspects into a spec would be mega useful I think | 19:57 |
| bnemec | lifeless: Hopefully I can get my environment sorted out and start figuring out what does and doesn't work right now. | 19:57 |
| bnemec | lifeless: Yep, will do. | 19:57 |
| lifeless | #topic open discussion | 19:57 |
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| lifeless | 45 seconds.... | 19:59 |
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| jdob | have fun at summit everyone :) | 19:59 |
| lifeless | wooo summit | 19:59 |
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| lsmola | yaaay | 19:59 |
| lifeless | no meeting next week | 19:59 |
| lifeless | cause its ALL MEETING ALL WEEK | 20:00 |
| lsmola | in person meeting next week | 20:00 |
| lifeless | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 6 20:00:16 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-05-06-19.02.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-05-06-19.02.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-05-06-19.02.log.html | 20:00 |
| lifeless | thanks everyone! | 20:00 |
| jdob | \o | 20:00 |
| lsmola | lol | 20:00 |
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| shadower | night | 20:00 |
| jistr | \o | 20:00 |
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| lsmola | see you next week, good night | 20:01 |
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| jcoufal | o/ | 20:01 |
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