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| markwash | greetings glance folks | 14:00 |
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| markwash | #startmeeting glance | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 24 14:01:35 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markwash. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:01 | |
| markwash | anybody here? :-) | 14:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:01 |
| arnaud__ | o/ | 14:01 |
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| ativelkov | o/ | 14:01 |
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| zhiyan | o/ | 14:02 |
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| jokke_ | o/ | 14:02 |
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| markwash | hi folks. thanks for coming! | 14:03 |
| markwash | sorry about my surprise absence last week | 14:03 |
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| markwash | agenda link | 14:03 |
| markwash | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:04 |
| markwash | any objections to jumping right into the artifacts stuff? | 14:04 |
| markwash | #topic artifacts design document | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "artifacts design document (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:05 | |
| markwash | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tOTsIytVWtXGUaT2Ia4V5PWq4CiTfZPDn6rpRm5In7U/edit | 14:05 |
| markwash | ativelkov has been so kind as to produce and share ^^ | 14:05 |
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| ativelkov | It is quite a long one, sorry :) | 14:06 |
| ativelkov | But I've tried to cover most of the aspects | 14:06 |
| markwash | ativelkov: care to talk about it some today? or would you prefer if folks just read it and get back to you? | 14:06 |
| ativelkov | Well, I can highlite some of the topics | 14:06 |
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| ativelkov | And will wait for the detailed feedback | 14:06 |
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| markwash | ativelkov: okay cool, please highlight for us | 14:07 |
| ativelkov | The general idea was to cover as many aspects as possible. I don't expect all of them to be implemented at once. | 14:08 |
| ativelkov | The document just gives a definition of "what is the artifact" and defines its basic properties | 14:08 |
| ativelkov | like immutability etc | 14:08 |
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| ativelkov | Then, it says that the metadata fields will be devided into two groups: some fileds are common for all the types of artifacts, while some others are type-specific | 14:09 |
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| ativelkov | Also, it says that the binary data is not a single blob anymore, but a a collection of blobs, and the structure of this collection is also defined by the type of artifact | 14:10 |
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| ativelkov | Then it introduces a concept of "artifact dependency links": being able to reference one artifact from another, and highlights different kinds of these links (static vs dynamic) | 14:11 |
| ativelkov | And then it covers the artifact lifecycle and different actions which can be executed towards artifacts | 14:12 |
| ativelkov | That was a brief contents :) | 14:12 |
| markwash | ativelkov: thanks! | 14:12 |
| flwang_ | ativelkov: sorry for the hijack, is there any link about the artifcats' detailed design? thanks | 14:13 |
| ativelkov | So, any feedback is welcome, and sorry if creating this doc took too long | 14:13 |
| markwash | it will be helpful to keep these notes in mind while reading through your docs | 14:13 |
| markwash | flwang_: yes, the link is https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tOTsIytVWtXGUaT2Ia4V5PWq4CiTfZPDn6rpRm5In7U/edit | 14:13 |
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| flwang_ | markwash: cool, thanks | 14:13 |
| ativelkov | Also, I've started composing some kind of FAQ document | 14:13 |
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| markwash | ativelkov: is there any particular way you prefer feedback? irc? mailing list? etc? | 14:14 |
| arnaud__ | ativelkov: thank you! will read it carefully. are there aspects where you expect debate? | 14:14 |
| jokke_ | ativelkov: Quick question as I haven't read the doc yet, Is the idea to extend the images to cover these, create a totally separate repo/store/api or replace the images with the artifacts in future? | 14:14 |
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| ativelkov | markwash: for small things I'd prefer comments in the document itself. The conceptual topic are better discussable in ML and IRC | 14:15 |
| * markwash nods | 14:15 | |
| ativelkov | arnaud__: I don't have any expectations, I am ready for any feedback ) | 14:15 |
| arnaud__ | ok :) | 14:15 |
| flwang_ | ativelkov: make sense for me | 14:16 |
| ativelkov | jokke_: we wanted to start developing artifacts as independent set of APIs in parallel with the current images. But evebtually - when artifacts are mature enough - I'd like to see images as artifacts as well | 14:16 |
| ativelkov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/artifact-faq small FAQ I've started composing | 14:17 |
| jokke_ | ativelkov: cool, makes sense to me. Thanks! | 14:17 |
| markwash | jokke_: for my take on your question. . . | 14:17 |
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| markwash | one thing that holds us back today is the weak definition of images | 14:17 |
| markwash | for example, an image can be a single block device image, or it can contain multiple, or honestly it can be anything any given nova hypervisor knows how to deal with | 14:18 |
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| jokke_ | markwash: I see | 14:18 |
| markwash | the breadth of the glance image category is too wide to allow common features/use cases to be expressed sensibly | 14:18 |
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| markwash | now, artifacts when they come into play may have more strongly defined types | 14:19 |
| markwash | (as I understand it, still need to square my expectations with ativelkov's doc) | 14:19 |
| flwang_ | markwash: so I assume we can resolve the 1xn mapping problem, right? | 14:19 |
| ativelkov | I understand it the same way | 14:19 |
| jokke_ | yeah, that definitely needs few runs of careful reading | 14:19 |
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| arnaud__ | flwang_: yep | 14:19 |
| markwash | this will allow us to translate certain container/disk format categories of images into certain types of artifacts | 14:20 |
| flwang_ | arnaud__: ok, good | 14:20 |
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| jokke_ | is the ultimate goal that the artifact types will be defined by glance or by consumer/user | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | ? | 14:20 |
| ativelkov | artifact type will be defined by plugins | 14:21 |
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| ativelkov | the plugins are supposed to be designed by the project which consumes the artifact | 14:21 |
| ativelkov | The most important ones - like images - will be part of the core | 14:21 |
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| flwang_ | ativelkov: sounds reasonable | 14:22 |
| ativelkov | I.e. Heat will design their own plugin which will enable Glance store the catalog of Heat templates, etc | 14:22 |
| flwang_ | ativelkov: I can't wait to review it :) | 14:22 |
| flwang_ | ativelkov: so the plugin will define the metadata of the targeted 'object', is it? | 14:23 |
| ativelkov | Yes | 14:23 |
| ativelkov | The type-specific metadata fields | 14:23 |
| jokke_ | ativelkov: will that plugin be a artifact that can be pushed in or does that need maintenance from operator to be enabled? :P | 14:23 |
| ativelkov | And the binary data structure | 14:23 |
| ativelkov | Plugin is written in Python | 14:23 |
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| flwang_ | ativelkov: cool, it can resolve a requirement from heat team | 14:23 |
| ativelkov | So it is not safe to push it at will | 14:23 |
| zhiyan | ativelkov: do we need a length field for binary data of artifact ? (as a common field?) | 14:24 |
| ativelkov | zhiyan: different types of artifact may have different set of binary objects | 14:24 |
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| ativelkov | Say, there may be an artifact composed of the VM image and a .png logo (the latter to be displayed in catalog UI) | 14:25 |
| ativelkov | so, this means that the artifact contain 2 binary blobs | 14:25 |
| ativelkov | and their length is computed and returned independently | 14:25 |
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| ativelkov | The amount and structure of these blobs is once again up to the particular type, i.e. up to plugin | 14:26 |
| zhiyan | ativelkov: and iiuc, glanceclient will need such plugins structure as well? | 14:26 |
| ativelkov | I think it may use some dynamic schema-fetching logic - similar to what it has now for v2 dynamic schemas | 14:27 |
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| flwang_ | zhiyan: maybe not, if it still follows the schema | 14:27 |
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| flwang_ | ativelkov: yep, that what I want to say | 14:28 |
| ativelkov | there will be an API to discover the structure of particular type - and then the client will understand that structure | 14:28 |
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| flwang_ | ativelkov: API? | 14:29 |
| ativelkov | API endpoint, I mean | 14:29 |
| flwang_ | ativelkov: for now, we just load the schema and cache it | 14:29 |
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| flwang_ | ativelkov: ah, you mean the API on glance server side, is it? | 14:29 |
| ativelkov | yes | 14:30 |
| ativelkov | same as /v2/schemas/images | 14:30 |
| arnaud__ | ativelkov: how do we define that an artifact is ready to be consumed? for an image, it is more or less when the file is uploaded, in the artifact case, how do you know what needs to be there to become ready? | 14:30 |
| ativelkov | arnaud__: good question. There are two ways of doing that | 14:30 |
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| ativelkov | 1) explicitly call "Publish" method | 14:30 |
| flwang_ | ativelkov: got it | 14:31 |
| ativelkov | This runs some checks to validate (including cusom plugin-defined logic) | 14:31 |
| ativelkov | and then changes the state to "Ready" | 14:31 |
| ativelkov | 2) Use import | 14:31 |
| jokke_ | wouldn't that be the plugins job to implement? | 14:31 |
| ativelkov | jokke_: yes | 14:32 |
| ativelkov | Importing is uploading a single binary file which contains everything needed for the artifact to be registered. The plugin knows the format of this file (this is usually a zip, but any container wil work) | 14:32 |
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| ativelkov | Then a plugin takes this file, parses it and does all the job - sets the metadata field values, save the binary data - and then the same set of checks is run, and the state changes to "ready" | 14:33 |
| ativelkov | There is a reverse of this: export | 14:33 |
| arnaud__ | so import cannot be you in your VM/png case? | 14:33 |
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| arnaud__ | s/you/your | 14:34 |
| flwang_ | so the import/export is based on current/coming async workers, right? | 14:34 |
| arnaud__ | flwang_: I hope so :) | 14:34 |
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| ativelkov | arnaud__: why? There is a zip file containing png and VM image. It gets uploaded to some temp location and is unzipped, then the plugin saves png and VM image into underlying storage and fill in the meta values | 14:35 |
| markwash | I'd like to pause this very good discussion for just a moment | 14:35 |
| flwang_ | arnaud__: i see | 14:35 |
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| arnaud__ | oh ok ativelkov that makes sense | 14:35 |
| ativelkov | All the long-runners are supposed to be done on backing workers | 14:35 |
| markwash | so I think this is going very well, and the main take away from the meeting is to review the document | 14:35 |
| markwash | and it will help prime our review to have these various items highlighted here | 14:36 |
| markwash | but are there other items folks want to discuss today that are not on the agenda? | 14:36 |
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| markwash | that's probably a no :-) | 14:37 |
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| flwang_ | markwash: when will the design session be reviewed? | 14:37 |
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| flwang_ | markwash: and have we scheduled a team lunch/dinner in the summit like we did in HK? | 14:37 |
| markwash | sounds like we might want to take some time out to discuss the summit a bit | 14:38 |
| markwash | we can come back to artifacts stuff if we have more time | 14:38 |
| markwash | #topic design summit | 14:38 |
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| ativelkov | sure | 14:38 |
| markwash | the design summit sessions need to be reviewd and approved/rejected by the end of this week | 14:38 |
| flwang_ | markwash: may i know how many slots we got? | 14:39 |
| flwang_ | 4? | 14:39 |
| markwash | I believe the timeslot for glance is 1 or 2 slots Wednesday afternoon, and then the remainder Thursday morning | 14:39 |
| markwash | I believe we have 5 slots total | 14:39 |
| flwang_ | markwash: it's a 'ok' number :D | 14:39 |
| markwash | ativelkov: will you be at the summit to discuss the artifacts work? | 14:40 |
| flwang_ | zhiyan: will you be there? | 14:40 |
| zhiyan | flwang_: i will | 14:40 |
| ativelkov | markwash: yes, I am coming | 14:40 |
| arnaud__ | zhiyan: yeah :) | 14:40 |
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| markwash | zhiyan: yay! | 14:40 |
| zhiyan | arnaud__: ;) | 14:40 |
| flwang_ | arnaud__: you? | 14:40 |
| arnaud__ | sure :) | 14:40 |
| zhiyan | markwash: ;) | 14:40 |
| flwang_ | arnaud__: cool | 14:40 |
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| markwash | flwang_: jokke_: will you be present at the summit? | 14:41 |
| zhiyan | arnaud__: hope we can talk about glance-v2-api, image-handler plan as well | 14:41 |
| jokke_ | I will not | 14:41 |
| flwang_ | markwash: I think so if everything goes well | 14:41 |
| arnaud__ | zhiyan: oh yes...! definitely | 14:41 |
| zhiyan | arnaud__: coolcool | 14:41 |
| markwash | flwang_: your second question was about a team lunch or dinner | 14:42 |
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| flwang_ | markwash: yeah yeah | 14:42 |
| markwash | I think its a good idea, but I don't believe anything has been arranged yet | 14:42 |
| zhiyan | arnaud__: (probably with jay and others who like it) | 14:42 |
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| arnaud__ | agreed | 14:42 |
| flwang_ | markwash: we can just leverage the lunch time if dinner is not ok | 14:42 |
| rosmaita | we should at least plan on grabbing a table for lunch one day | 14:42 |
| markwash | rosmaita: +1 | 14:43 |
| flwang_ | rosmaita: hey | 14:43 |
| flwang_ | just like we did in HK | 14:43 |
| * rosmaita apologizes for being late | 14:43 | |
| zhiyan | rosmaita: hi, and rax pay it :-D | 14:43 |
| markwash | I will check to see if we have a team pod / table in the conference area | 14:43 |
| markwash | if so, this will also be very good for discussion and meeting | 14:44 |
| flwang_ | markwash: awesome awesome awesome | 14:44 |
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| markwash | in some ways its a bit early, but I think it is useful now to consider our options about a mini summit later in the Juno cycle | 14:44 |
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| flwang_ | markwash: +100, it would be a good time to review the status of artifacts | 14:45 |
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| markwash | can we just get a brief show of hands for folks who would be interested in a mini summit sometimes towards the middle of Juno? | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:45 |
| arnaud__ | o/ | 14:45 |
| flwang_ | \o/ | 14:45 |
| ativelkov | o/ | 14:45 |
| zhiyan | o/ | 14:46 |
| markwash | okay. . I'll talk to the project folks to see if they prefer for these mini things to remain unaffilliated with openstack in any official way | 14:46 |
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| markwash | if so, I'll send out an email to ask for possible support / sponsorship for the event | 14:47 |
| zhiyan | markwash: btw, do you think it will cool if we make a "scheduled" BP list for J cycle? and i think folks will have some review focus (and todo priority) | 14:47 |
| zhiyan | after summit | 14:47 |
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| markwash | zhiyan: this sounds like a good idea to me | 14:48 |
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| markwash | anything that can help focus and clarify the job of reviewing probably is a big help | 14:48 |
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| zhiyan | and todo follow-up, IMHO | 14:49 |
| markwash | zhiyan: can you talk about such a list a bit more? just to give an impression | 14:49 |
| zhiyan | like async-task | 14:49 |
| zhiyan | what arnaud__ did currently | 14:50 |
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| flwang_ | async workers +1, I'm working on the export part | 14:50 |
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| markwash | ah okay | 14:50 |
| markwash | any other thoughts about the design summit? again if all goes well there should be a schedule up by this weekend | 14:51 |
| arnaud__ | flwang_: we need to sync up :) | 14:51 |
| rosmaita | markwash: was distracted, me & hemanth are up for mini-summit too | 14:51 |
| flwang_ | arnaud__: sure, beer on the summit :D | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | and probably rest of our teem | 14:52 |
| arnaud__ | flwang_: :) :) :) | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | flwang_: did you see d berrange's note about os_type ? | 14:52 |
| flwang_ | rosmaita: yep | 14:52 |
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| markwash | so let's open up more generally then for the rest of today | 14:53 |
| flwang_ | rosmaita: but that didn't explain why we don't have it now | 14:53 |
| markwash | #topic open discussion | 14:53 |
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| markwash | ativelkov: thanks for putting together the document | 14:53 |
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| rosmaita | flwang_: just think we didnt' need it | 14:53 |
| flwang_ | rosmaita: haha, ok | 14:54 |
| markwash | ativelkov: its very exciting! | 14:54 |
| markwash | heh well if you like programming python server projects I guess :-) | 14:54 |
| ativelkov | :) Sorry it took longer then I expected | 14:54 |
| flwang_ | ativelkov: markwash : yep, it's impacting the scope of Glance | 14:54 |
| jokke_ | just small addition to the artifact discussion. I hope we are really careful about the plugin specs. I'm just afraid that it will become support nightmare if we give even closely free hands what those plugins are allowed to do. After all if they do not work it will be the glance getting the blame on the first hit | 14:55 |
| markwash | ativelkov: in the end I think this is good timing to make our summit discussions of it a bit more tactical | 14:55 |
| rosmaita | ativelkov: is this the artifact url? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tOTsIytVWtXGUaT2Ia4V5PWq4CiTfZPDn6rpRm5In7U/edit | 14:55 |
| ativelkov | rosmaita: yes | 14:55 |
| flwang_ | jokke_: +1 | 14:55 |
| rosmaita | thanks | 14:55 |
| ativelkov | jokke_: right. This needs to be carefully designed. | 14:56 |
| markwash | jokke_: I think that is a fair point. there are definitely some tradeoffs to be managed | 14:56 |
| flwang_ | jokke_: so we need to review it at the mini summit | 14:56 |
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| ativelkov | I was thinking about timeout limits for plugin operations and other stuff to gurantee their stability | 14:56 |
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| zhiyan | spec + review | 14:56 |
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| rosmaita | i'm kind of worried about overspecifying, couldn't some plugin operations be really long running? | 14:57 |
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| ativelkov | import and export are usually long, because this usually involves creating a container (zip) etc | 14:58 |
| markwash | all right folks, that is about all we have time for, thank you for your participation | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | bye! | 14:59 |
| ativelkov | thanks | 14:59 |
| markwash | next week's meeting is at 20:00 UTC | 14:59 |
| arnaud__ | thanks | 14:59 |
| markwash | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 24 14:59:57 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| zhiyan | thanks | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-04-24-14.01.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-04-24-14.01.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-04-24-14.01.log.html | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | thanks | 15:00 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 24 15:00:23 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
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| bswartz | hey guys | 15:00 |
| xyang1 | hi | 15:00 |
| rraja | hi | 15:00 |
| vponomaryov | hi | 15:00 |
| bswartz | today's meeting needs to be really short as I'm actually in a class | 15:00 |
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| bswartz | I have one announcement | 15:01 |
| bswartz | the manila design summit session was rejected | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | it seems that I submitted too late and the slots were all taken | 15:01 |
| shamail | :[ | 15:02 |
| bswartz | so we'll need to arrange something outside the official agenda at atlanta | 15:02 |
| bswartz | in some ways this is better because we can control the scheduling of it | 15:02 |
| bswartz | but I'm sad that it won't be on the official agenda, because many people won't find out about it | 15:02 |
| xyang1 | no unconference any more. what choice do we have | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | perhaps we can advertise for it during the conference session on Manila | 15:03 |
| bswartz | NetApp is coordinating with other vendors that want to present on stage with us at our conference session on Manila | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | any question about that stuff? | 15:03 |
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| rraja | bswartz: has anybody from Red Hat contacted you yet? | 15:04 |
| bswartz | rraja: yes | 15:04 |
| bswartz | we have lots of contact at RedHat -- almost too many | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | let's jump to the dev status because i can't stay long | 15:05 |
| bswartz | #topic dev status | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "dev status (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:05 | |
| vponomaryov | Dev status: | 15:05 |
| vponomaryov | 1) volume types for multibackend support | 15:05 |
| vponomaryov | db changes: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/87975/ | 15:05 |
| vponomaryov | api changes: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88282/ | 15:05 |
| vponomaryov | update for drivers: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89558/ | 15:05 |
| vponomaryov | status: work in progress | 15:05 |
| vponomaryov | 2) list of services | 15:05 |
| vponomaryov | manila: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88300/ | 15:05 |
| vponomaryov | client: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88232/ | 15:05 |
| vponomaryov | status: merged | 15:05 |
| vponomaryov | TODO: | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | 1) finish multibackend functionality (bugfixes + new handling of service VMs creation) | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | 2) add volume-types to horizon | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | that's all | 15:06 |
| bswartz | thank you vponomaryov | 15:06 |
| bswartz | any questions on that? | 15:07 |
| bswartz | I know i have code reviews to do | 15:07 |
| bswartz | if others can help I'd appreciate it | 15:07 |
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| rraja | bswartz: quick questions, is any one of our contacts going to coordinate with NetApp with regards to highlighting our single tenant driver? | 15:07 |
| rraja | or should I bother you later about this? | 15:08 |
| bswartz | rraja: we'll definitely mention it | 15:08 |
| bswartz | the structure of the demo is still TBD | 15:08 |
| rraja | and how about the rest of the presentation? | 15:08 |
| bswartz | that's coming together | 15:08 |
| vponomaryov | rraja: your driver need addition of one method, will ping you later | 15:08 |
| rraja | vponomaryov, ok | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | rraja: I can link you to the email chain on the presentation | 15:08 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | anyone else have something we need to cover this week? | 15:09 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: I have some things I want to add to the monday meeting, and I'll send an email about that | 15:09 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: yes, sure | 15:10 |
| rraja | bswartz, please let me know if I could be of more help. since there's a outside chance that I can make it to the summit. | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | rraja: I hope you can! | 15:10 |
| bswartz | okay I'm glad we wrapped this up quickly | 15:11 |
| bswartz | thanks guys, I'll have more info next week | 15:11 |
| vponomaryov | thanks | 15:12 |
| rraja | thanks | 15:12 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:12 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 24 15:12:06 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:12 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-04-24-15.00.html | 15:12 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-04-24-15.00.txt | 15:12 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-04-24-15.00.log.html | 15:12 |
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| vkozhukalov | hey guys | 15:59 |
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| vk | hi | 15:59 |
| e0ne | hi | 15:59 |
| vkozhukalov | anybody here? | 15:59 |
| alex_didenko | hi | 15:59 |
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| vkozhukalov | today's meeting gonna be shorter, but will see | 16:01 |
| mihgen | vkozhukalov: hi | 16:01 |
| angdraug | hi | 16:01 |
| vkozhukalov | #startmeeting Fuel | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 24 16:01:16 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vkozhukalov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:01 |
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| vkozhukalov | Who is here. Checking in. | 16:01 |
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| christopheraedo | Hello! | 16:01 |
| holser_ | Hi! | 16:01 |
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| vkozhukalov | agenda is here | 16:02 |
| vkozhukalov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:02 |
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| mattymo | Hi! | 16:02 |
| evgeniyl | Hi! | 16:02 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic Announcements | 16:02 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:02 | |
| vkozhukalov | mihgen was going to say some words | 16:02 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic current status (overall), bugs statistics | 16:03 |
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| mihgen | hi all. we are in a phase of acting bug squashes | 16:03 |
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| mihgen | with still a few exceptions on mandatory for 5.0 features | 16:03 |
| mihgen | so let's talk about bugs first. | 16:03 |
| mihgen | after consuming icehouse, I expected even more bugs, frankly, but looks like we are pretty good | 16:04 |
| mihgen | over last week there were 53 income bugs | 16:04 |
| mihgen | and 94 went away | 16:04 |
| vkozhukalov | great | 16:04 |
| mihgen | it means that we are doing good job on squashing them. the bad side of the story is that we still have a lot of bugs unresolved | 16:04 |
| mihgen | closed 266 in 5.0, still open - 174 | 16:05 |
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| vkozhukalov | is there a link where we can see the summary? | 16:05 |
| mihgen | #link http://fuel-launchpad.mirantis.com/project/fuel/bug_table_for_status/Open/5.0 | 16:05 |
| mihgen | I'm using this to see stats, it gathers stats from launchpad | 16:05 |
| vkozhukalov | and a plot | 16:05 |
| vkozhukalov | #link http://fuel-launchpad.mirantis.com/project/fuel/bug_trends/5.0 | 16:05 |
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| mihgen | another thing is that we must still support stable/4.1 branch | 16:06 |
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| aglarendil | hi, everyone | 16:06 |
| mihgen | folks, please propose changes there, which have tag "backports-4.1.1" in LP | 16:06 |
| mihgen | and by proposing them try to no to break it :)_ | 16:06 |
| mihgen | we broke stable/4.1 last night, I hope the fix is on the way | 16:07 |
| mihgen | aglarendil: right?) | 16:07 |
| aglarendil | mihgen: yep. there was some miscommunication | 16:07 |
| mihgen | angdraug: there were no rabbit3, but we merged puppet module manifests relying on it | 16:07 |
| mihgen | looking forward for it being fixed soon. | 16:07 |
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| mihgen | Ok, about exceptions | 16:08 |
| angdraug | yeah, I missed the part about ha-mode in the rabbitmq3 ttl commit | 16:08 |
| vkozhukalov | #chair vkozhukalov | 16:08 |
| openstack | Current chairs: vkozhukalov | 16:08 |
| mihgen | folks will provide exact status, but we have basically fuel upgrades feature still incomplete and few things around it | 16:08 |
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| mihgen | that's it for update. | 16:08 |
| vkozhukalov | forgot to set a chair ) | 16:08 |
| mihgen | anything else I should mention about? | 16:09 |
| mihgen | vkozhukalov: let's proceed otherwise | 16:09 |
| vkozhukalov | moving on | 16:09 |
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| vkozhukalov | #topic Activities updates & questions | 16:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Activities updates & questions (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:09 | |
| mihgen | and thanks everyone for such heroic work on squashing bugs and staying late, but ensuring that ISO works!!! | 16:09 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic fuel master upgrade scripts status | 16:09 |
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| mihgen | evgeniyl: your time) | 16:10 |
| mattymo | evgeniyl, you first then I'll talk | 16:10 |
| evgeniyl | ok | 16:10 |
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| vkozhukalov | mattymo: please wait before I change a topic | 16:10 |
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| vkozhukalov | *till | 16:11 |
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| evgeniyl | So, I had a lot of problems like https://github.com/dotcloud/docker-py/pull/200 with docker-py, it's a binding for docker, today I had working nailgun/nginx/astute, and had a problem with rabbitmq, then I took new iso and images, suddenly there was broken postgresql, I fixed it, not I'm trying to continue to work on rabbit.. | 16:11 |
| evgeniyl | s/not/now/ | 16:12 |
| mihgen | evgeniyl: how far are you from finishing this? | 16:12 |
| dpyzhov | broken psql? | 16:12 |
| evgeniyl | dpyzhov: postgresql container was broken, I had to take oldest one. | 16:13 |
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| evgeniyl | mihgen: I hope today it will work with additional unmerged patches for docker-py | 16:14 |
| mihgen | evgeniyl: ok, looking forward to see it working .... | 16:14 |
| mihgen | anything else you want to add? | 16:14 |
| meow-nofer_ | evgeniyl, still using new postgresql version, right? | 16:14 |
| evgeniyl | meow-nofer_: it's not related with new postgresql | 16:15 |
| evgeniyl | meow-nofer_: there was just broken container | 16:15 |
| vkozhukalov | evgeniyl: thanks for the status | 16:15 |
| vkozhukalov | moving on? | 16:15 |
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| vkozhukalov | #topic master node containerization current issues and caveats | 16:16 |
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| mattymo | caveats :) | 16:16 |
| vkozhukalov | mattymo: your turn | 16:16 |
| mattymo | We had a number of recurring bugs that really needed to get addressed by the QA team which required fast iso building and distribution, so we split up into two halves this week. | 16:16 |
| mattymo | I built containers using early scripts and got containers out to QA and found bugs while adidenko and holser_ worked on makefile improvements and polishing container workflow. | 16:16 |
| mattymo | bugs discovered during this time include intermittent network issues, masquerading of source ips (affects rsyslog), and other intermittent connection issues | 16:17 |
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| mattymo | Accomplished items this week include puppet flow bugs with OSTF, yaml placement and symlink issues, and we found a workaround for issues with docker inter-container communication via iptables. | 16:17 |
| mattymo | and on behalf of adidenko and holser_, we have functional scripts that integrate well into our Fuel ISO preparation which run puppet inside a container for each service, then export and compress in a 280mb tar.lrz file and bundle it in the iso and deploys beautifully (But a bit slowly) | 16:17 |
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| mihgen | mattymo: does it mean that we actually have everything in place for building ISO, but just need to fix bugs? | 16:18 |
| mattymo | I believe our latest work items include testing the workaround for docker ICC breakage and log rotation | 16:18 |
| mattymo | yes I believe we're mergable today | 16:18 |
| aglarendil | ICC = inter-container communication | 16:19 |
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| mihgen | mattymo: ok, that's cool | 16:19 |
| mihgen | let's get folks to review | 16:19 |
| mihgen | mattymo: and when evgeniyl's code is ready, we will simply replace bash scripts with his code? | 16:19 |
| meow-nofer_ | actually I would review some Go code, if you have it :) | 16:20 |
| mattymo | no | 16:20 |
| mattymo | his code relies on mine | 16:20 |
| vkozhukalov | mattymo: any other details? moving on? | 16:21 |
| mattymo | evgeniyl's system currently does orchestration, I believe, to migrate data from 1 container to another, or to simply replace | 16:21 |
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| mattymo | dockerctl still gets used for starting, stopping, and doing all the pre/post hooks necessary to get each service up. It ought to be rewritten in python completely | 16:21 |
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| mihgen | evgeniyl: I thought it's foe bootstrap of master too | 16:21 |
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| vkozhukalov | ok, moving on | 16:23 |
| evgeniyl | mihgen: we can use my code, but it's not stable enough, and I don't think that we will have tim to test it properly | 16:23 |
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| alex_didenko | guts, I have a question on make iso | 16:23 |
| alex_didenko | s/guts/guys/ | 16:23 |
| mihgen | alex_didenko: go ahead | 16:23 |
| alex_didenko | do we need an option to make iso with docker and without? Something like variable USE_DOCKER=true/false | 16:24 |
| mihgen | evgeniyl: I meant you code to be used in bootstrap_admin_node.sh | 16:24 |
| alex_didenko | so if we export USE_DOCKER=false and run "make iso" - it builds the old-style Fuel iso | 16:24 |
| mihgen | I'm not sure | 16:24 |
| mihgen | dpyzhov: do we need it? | 16:25 |
| evgeniyl | mihgen: why not? | 16:25 |
| evgeniyl | mihgen: it looks like a good idea | 16:25 |
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| dpyzhov | alex_didenko: we have such flag | 16:25 |
| angdraug | +1 | 16:25 |
| mihgen | well ideally I'd like to avoid additional axis in matrix of things which should work | 16:25 |
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| mihgen | so to work always on production ISO | 16:25 |
| mattymo | I think we ought to leave a fallback route just in case we find a critical bug we can't overcome | 16:25 |
| mattymo | but default to docker | 16:25 |
| dpyzhov | right now we use PRODUCTION=prod for old-fashion isos and PRODUCTION=docker for docker | 16:25 |
| mihgen | unless there are very good points saying no | 16:26 |
| mattymo | dpyzhov, has the route I wanted to use too | 16:26 |
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| mattymo | just because it's a precedent | 16:26 |
| mihgen | mattymo: that's the only exception I can see so far | 16:26 |
| mihgen | but moving forward, I don't think we need it | 16:26 |
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| mihgen | if we work on non-containers mode, and release in containers, we are always with risk | 16:26 |
| angdraug | I think we should remove it when docker option becomes stable and proven | 16:26 |
| mihgen | of breaking stuff | 16:27 |
| mihgen | angdraug: ok, then I'd agree | 16:27 |
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| aglarendil | but we are having some issues with iso building performance | 16:27 |
| christopheraedo | +1 to "docker only" once it's stable | 16:27 |
| mihgen | alex_didenko: how much resources does it take to support both | 16:27 |
| aglarendil | and bootstraping of master node AFAIK | 16:27 |
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| alex_didenko | mihgen: it should not take much time | 16:27 |
| alex_didenko | few hours maybe | 16:27 |
| mihgen | how much do we pay now for containers? | 16:28 |
| aglarendil | a lot, I guess | 16:28 |
| mihgen | how much time does it take to build ISO, and install master node | 16:28 |
| mihgen | in comparison with what we had before | 16:28 |
| holser_ | it’s a huge difference | 16:28 |
| mattymo | to build all containers is an extra 30 minutes.. maybe more or less | 16:28 |
| alex_didenko | building ISO with docker containers on 1 CPU VM with 2G ram: Took 54 min | 16:29 |
| mattymo | if we had a build system with AUFS support it would be much faster | 16:29 |
| mattymo | but we build and deploy with devicemapper which is far slower | 16:29 |
| mihgen | mattymo: what if I update just nailgun | 16:29 |
| mattymo | install of master node is bottlenecked in docker load. it replays each layer in an lxc env, dumps it, adds new layer, etc... | 16:30 |
| mihgen | mattymo: would not I have to rebuild all containers? | 16:30 |
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| mattymo | mihgen, it's hard to tell what code is "just nailgun" with a basic utility | 16:30 |
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| mihgen | what do you mean under basic utility? | 16:30 |
| mattymo | but yes if you make changes to nailgun code you need a new nailgun container | 16:30 |
| mihgen | mattymo: then I would need to rebuild only nailgun container, right? | 16:31 |
| dpyzhov | mattymo: is it possible to update pre-built container? | 16:31 |
| mihgen | and can download all other existing | 16:31 |
| mattymo | or if you change nailgun::venv puppet class, that only affects nailgun container. but if you change nailgun::packages or nailgun::supervisor class, you have to rebuild all | 16:31 |
| alex_didenko | please also not that you can build ISO with prebuilt containers - it will take much less time since it just outs archive with containers on ISO | 16:31 |
| mihgen | dpyzhov: that's the question which I had too | 16:31 |
| alex_didenko | s/not/note | 16:31 |
| mattymo | alex_didenko, but it won't update the package | 16:31 |
| mihgen | ok, we need to talk about it separately | 16:32 |
| mihgen | we would need to come up with improvements | 16:32 |
| mihgen | anyway, otherwise we slow up development | 16:32 |
| mattymo | dpyzhov, yes if we script it to, for sure | 16:32 |
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| mihgen | mattymo: anything else to add? | 16:32 |
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| mattymo | mihgen, nope. Let's move on | 16:33 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic icehouse support | 16:33 |
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| mihgen | aglarendil: your topic ;) | 16:33 |
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| aglarendil | I am here | 16:34 |
| aglarendil | we have almost everything done, except several bugs | 16:34 |
| aglarendil | fortunately almost all of them are related to packages | 16:34 |
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| mattymo | nice! | 16:34 |
| mihgen | unfortunately for rvyalov ) | 16:35 |
| aglarendil | 1) neutron gre datapath is not working in centos 6.5 - IPGRE demux is compiled in and blocks OVS | 16:35 |
| aglarendil | 2) mysql reconnect patches from oslo are still not in the main code for some projects so we are waiting for hardening team to do this | 16:35 |
| aglarendil | there have been also several bugs with neutron that we have successfully fixed | 16:36 |
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| aglarendil | I hope we can fix everything by the end of the week | 16:36 |
| mihgen | aglarendil: cool | 16:37 |
| aglarendil | that's all, I think | 16:37 |
| vkozhukalov | aglarendil: optimist -) | 16:37 |
| mihgen | nurla: do you have anything to add? | 16:37 |
| mihgen | regarding icehouse? | 16:37 |
| nurla | mihgen: i'll hope "no" | 16:37 |
| mihgen | ) | 16:37 |
| vkozhukalov | moving on | 16:38 |
| mihgen | thanks. vkozhukalov - let's move on | 16:38 |
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| vkozhukalov | #topic status of versioning for master upgrade | 16:38 |
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| akasatkin | Upgrade part for Nailgun (propagation of versions and orchestrator parameters) as about to be merged. Some additional validation and cosmetic fixes are to be made – can be added as separate PR or included into this one. Doc: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/upgrades-orchestrator-data. It will be merged when library part (dilyin) is ready. | 16:38 |
| mihgen | akasatkin: can you share links to patchsets involved? | 16:39 |
| mihgen | akasatkin: we really should move asap with this | 16:39 |
| mihgen | mattymo: evgeniyl: can we survive without these fixes ? | 16:39 |
| akasatkin | Nailgun: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/87722/ | 16:39 |
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| akasatkin | dilyin started library part today | 16:40 |
| mihgen | he is not here unfortunately | 16:40 |
| mihgen | how hard is his part? | 16:40 |
| mihgen | did he provide any estimates? | 16:40 |
| mihgen | aglarendil: are you aware about dilyin's part there? ^^ | 16:40 |
| akasatkin | I suppose it shouldn't be hard. See etherpad | 16:41 |
| aglarendil | mihgen: yep | 16:41 |
| akasatkin | for details | 16:41 |
| akasatkin | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/upgrades-orchestrator-data. | 16:41 |
| mihgen | ok. vkozhukalov - let's move on | 16:41 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic vcenter status | 16:42 |
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| mihgen | nurla: will you provide status or someone else on ^^ | 16:42 |
| eshumakher | i can provide some updates | 16:43 |
| mihgen | ykotko: are you around? what about testing of vcenter integration? | 16:43 |
| mihgen | eshumakher: please go ahead | 16:43 |
| nurla | mihgen: we have problems with our env IT problems, but Egor already create some issues | 16:43 |
| eshumakher | what about Ubuntu? Are you gonna test it? | 16:44 |
| nurla | as I catch we also should check ubuntu | 16:44 |
| eshumakher | and VNC? | 16:44 |
| mihgen | I see an issue that VMs do not get IPs | 16:45 |
| eshumakher | the problem is in environment setup | 16:45 |
| nurla | yes, this problems with vlans | 16:45 |
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| mihgen | does it mean, that we can only test that deploy phase passes? | 16:46 |
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| mihgen | we still able to create VMs, right? we should be able to get VNC access still | 16:46 |
| mihgen | even if network is down for VM | 16:46 |
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| nurla | yes, we able to create instance | 16:47 |
| mihgen | by listening traffic, we can still try to see if there are DHCP requests trying to get out of vmware host | 16:47 |
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| mihgen | ok, any more updates on this? are there any items we still have to add? | 16:47 |
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| mihgen | (except docs) | 16:47 |
| eshumakher | what abot HA? | 16:48 |
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| eshumakher | are we gonna leave it the way it is done now? | 16:48 |
| nurla | eshumakher: we don't get Roman point | 16:48 |
| nurla | about HA | 16:48 |
| mihgen | I sent an email with a question how we gonna handle | 16:48 |
| mihgen | there were no response, let's create bug for disabling it then | 16:49 |
| mihgen | we can revert it any time otherwise | 16:49 |
| mihgen | it's not gonna be HA, so I'm strongly against enabling it | 16:49 |
| mihgen | this "HA" version was about having nova-network only on one controller, which is SPoF obviously | 16:49 |
| eshumakher | +1 | 16:49 |
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| mihgen | eshumakher: will you create a bug? or please ask someone to do so.. | 16:50 |
| eshumakher | ok, i will | 16:50 |
| mihgen | eshumakher: thanks | 16:50 |
| eshumakher | will Egor test Ubuntu and VNC? | 16:50 |
| mihgen | ykotko: will you?) | 16:50 |
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| mihgen | eshumakher: anything else to discuss? | 16:51 |
| eshumakher | nope | 16:51 |
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| mihgen | nurla: I hope ykotko will find time to test ubuntu & vnc .. | 16:51 |
| mihgen | vkozhukalov: let's move on | 16:51 |
| vkozhukalov | Do we need to open 'open discussion' topic? | 16:51 |
| mihgen | I have a few bugs which I'd like to raise here | 16:51 |
| mihgen | and clarify status / get folks involved | 16:51 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic Open discussion | 16:52 |
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| mihgen | but I would first listen if someone else has any other topic | 16:52 |
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| mihgen | so please put "?" and let us know if you do | 16:52 |
| mihgen | no one so far? Ok. #1277844 Corosync doesn't stop during the primary controller deployment #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1277844 | 16:53 |
| mihgen | aglarendil: ^^ | 16:53 |
| mihgen | please take a look what's our plan over it | 16:53 |
| mihgen | angdraug: xenolog you too | 16:53 |
| aglarendil | I am not quite aware if we can fix this bug in this release | 16:53 |
| aglarendil | it requires rewriting of start sequence and usage of pacemaker master control plugin | 16:53 |
| aglarendil | also it is not quite frequently reproducible | 16:53 |
| aglarendil | i suggest to move it to 5.1 as soon as Centos 7.0 is available | 16:54 |
| mihgen | ok, understood. we will likely slip it then | 16:54 |
| aglarendil | then we can easily | 16:54 |
| aglarendil | move to dependency-based initialisation | 16:54 |
| mihgen | thanks. next - we have bunch of disk -related issues | 16:54 |
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| mihgen | vkozhukalov: | 16:54 |
| mihgen | #1296985 ceph-deploy osd prepare failed. GenericError: Failed to create 1 OSDs #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1296985 | 16:55 |
| mihgen | this for example | 16:55 |
| mihgen | vkozhukalov: will you do it or we should pass it to someone else? | 16:55 |
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| mihgen | 1306491 no disk information leading to error during node allocation #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1306491 | 16:55 |
| mihgen | there are more I believe | 16:55 |
| angdraug | is #1296985 reproducible? | 16:55 |
| meow-nofer_ | mihgen, I believe ikalnitsky is now working on disk issue | 16:56 |
| mihgen | angdraug: should we close #1267937 No warning for HA with OSD and MON roles on same nodes #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1267937, as there is bp about it https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/fuel-ceph-roles ? | 16:56 |
| mihgen | meow-nofer_: I'm not sure about that | 16:56 |
| ikalnitsky | yes, the fix on review already: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89813/ (it's about disks) | 16:57 |
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| vkozhukalov | mihgen: will take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1296985 | 16:57 |
| mihgen | ikalnitsky: meow-nofer_ that's completely from another story, but it's good to see this being fixed too | 16:57 |
| mihgen | vkozhukalov: please de-assign all issues you don't work on them | 16:57 |
| angdraug | mihgen: the fuel-ceph-roles BP doesn't fix the docs part of #1267937 | 16:58 |
| mihgen | vkozhukalov: we will try to find folks to fix.. . | 16:58 |
| mihgen | angdraug: ok then should we keep a bug as is in 5.0? | 16:58 |
| mihgen | or we need to close it, create separate for docs? or simply move to 5.1? | 16:58 |
| vkozhukalov | mihgen: ok | 16:58 |
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| mihgen | angdraug: we should do something with bug in 5.0 :) | 16:58 |
| vkozhukalov | 2 minutes | 16:59 |
| angdraug | I think we should fix it in the docs for 5.0 | 16:59 |
| meow-nofer_ | mihgen, this is exactly workaround for this issue) | 16:59 |
| angdraug | that's why I keep it around and assigned to me | 16:59 |
| mihgen | aglarendil: 1274756 Expired Keystone tokens should be cleaned up regularly #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1274756 | 16:59 |
| vkozhukalov | let's move to #fuel-dev | 16:59 |
| mihgen | aglarendil: what are we up to with this? | 16:59 |
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| vkozhukalov | thanks everyone | 16:59 |
| aglarendil | we are going to implement memcache as a backend for keystone tokens | 16:59 |
| evgeniyl | thanks | 17:00 |
| vkozhukalov | #endmeeting Fuel | 17:00 |
| aglarendil | bye | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 24 17:00:11 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| mihgen | gate closes ) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-04-24-16.01.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-04-24-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-04-24-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting sahara | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 24 18:00:13 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | hey sahara folks | 18:00 |
| aignatov | howdy | 18:00 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | o/ | 18:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | let's wait for a few mins for quorum | 18:00 |
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| crobertsrh | hello | 18:01 |
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| elmiko | hi | 18:01 |
| bob_nettleton | Hi All! | 18:01 |
| elmiko | sounds like a good day for bob ;) | 18:02 |
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| aignatov | elmiko: why? :) | 18:02 |
| bob_nettleton | :) | 18:02 |
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| elmiko | i dunno, he was very emphatic with his greeting | 18:02 |
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| aignatov | I see :) | 18:03 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 18:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | traditionally, let's start with ... | 18:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 18:04 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | folks, please | 18:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info Draft schedule for Sahara design summit published - http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/sahara+%28ex-savanna%29 | 18:04 |
| bob_nettleton | working on HDP image fixes, considering adding resizing support for HDP CentOS images. | 18:05 |
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| crobertsrh | Dashboard merge is back to having some traction. Hoping to see some reviews of these soon before I do the remainder of the panels. #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/horizon+branch:master+topic:bp/merge-sahara-dashboard,n,z | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info sahara-dashboard -> horizon reviews https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/horizon+branch:master+topic:bp/merge-sahara-dashboard,n,z | 18:06 |
| alazarev | I’m preparing to “performance of hadoop on openstack” talk on summit | 18:06 |
| aignatov | let’s all us go and vote +1 for Chad!!! | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, I've answered in ML | 18:06 |
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| crobertsrh | Yes. Pretty much everyone said what I thought they would say (and what I agree with). I'm not sure what else really made sense to cause such a stir. | 18:07 |
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| aignatov | I fixed one bug with broken novanetwork working when aoutassignment is turned off | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, ping if you'll need support on political questions ;) | 18:08 |
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| crobertsrh | Will do. I think we should be ok for now. Although, my patches are currently blocked on a bug that I discovered this morning (horizon bug, not sahara bug)...only blocked for tests passing though, code runs fine. | 18:09 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, nice, have you prepared some doc re testing your changes? | 18:09 |
| aignatov | and started implementing some pig job for as a second option for demo at summit, also made several draft slides for this talk | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, you publish it on wiki for ex. | 18:09 |
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| crobertsrh | I added a few quick notes to the bp. I can do something more grand if necessary. | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, ok, cool, thx | 18:10 |
| aignatov | tmckay: I thrown away an idea to do sloccount on openstack sources and decided to make some log analyser :) | 18:10 |
| aignatov | for openstack logs in tempest | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any other news/updates? | 18:11 |
| tmckay | aignatov, okay, great. We should talk about Summit soon | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 18:11 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #info [DONE] alazarev file blueprint re hadoop version upgrades, aggregate thoughts and details, link to the design summit session | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sahara/+spec/hadoop-upgrade | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info [DONE] dmitryme to align roadmap/Icehouse with release | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sahara/Roadmap | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thx guys | 18:12 |
| aignatov | hey folks , did you see my mail about retrospective questions? | 18:12 |
| alazarev | aignatov: yes | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #action aignatov prepare data for retrospective on summit | 18:13 |
| aignatov | I’m waiting for your answers :) | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Design summit | 18:13 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #link http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/sahara+%28ex-savanna%29 | 18:13 |
| aignatov | don’t hestiate, all results will be anonymous like it was done for 0.3https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Savanna/Release_0.3_Retrospective | 18:13 |
| aignatov | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Savanna/Release_0.3_Retrospective | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I've pushed the draft schedule for our design summit | 18:13 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | not all session have good description, I'm still working on it | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | but topics / order is ready | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | folks, please, take a look on it till the tomorrow noon | 18:14 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | and share comments / suggestions | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'll cleanup it tomorrow and publish final schedule | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I expect tmckay and croberts to lead http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/event/be842178a085fe95b7665a653f8ab541 | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov - http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/event/dfa603324c0bbf29c2f09a77efb82d1d | 18:15 |
| sreshetnyak | o/ | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf - http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/event/a64f771cf28ed3ad637730db828668ff | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any premature objections? :) | 18:16 |
| aignatov | Future of EDP should lead tmckay first then me :) he did huge efforts during icehouse | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, oops, I missed tmckay here, I'm absolutely agree with ot | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info tmckay and croberts to lead "UX improvements" session | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info tmckay and aignatov to lead "Future of EDP: plugins, SPI, Oozie" session | 18:18 |
| tmckay | thanks :) Now I need ideas | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info mattf to lead "Next major REST API - v2" session | 18:19 |
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| aignatov | tmckay: we should conduct the ideas in the etherpads | 18:19 |
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| crobertsrh | I'm happy to talk about UX stuff | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, tmckay, I'll add etherpads to sessions tomorrow | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, o/ | 18:19 |
| tmckay | k | 18:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | for mattf: | 18:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | [22:19:06] <SergeyLukjanov> #info mattf to lead "Next major REST API - v2" session | 18:20 |
| aignatov | SergeyLukjanov: great, I’ll start documenting my ideas | 18:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, don't lost the notebook | 18:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | lose* | 18:21 |
| aignatov | SergeyLukjanov: wh00t do you mean? :\ | 18:21 |
| mattf | no immediate objection from me | 18:21 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | fyi we'll have a pad for sahara for all 5 days of summit | 18:22 |
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| mattf | i still have to look over the summit sessions | 18:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | with ~10 chairs and whiteboard | 18:22 |
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| aignatov | with beer? | 18:22 |
| crobertsrh | No cots for napping? | 18:23 |
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| mattf | alazarev, did your perf talk get in? | 18:23 |
| aignatov | crobertsrh: lol | 18:23 |
| crobertsrh | If we had cots, we wouldn't need hotel rooms | 18:23 |
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| alazarev | mattf: yes | 18:23 |
| mattf | brave brave crobertsrh | 18:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, unfortunately no cots ;( | 18:24 |
| mattf | alazarev, ahh, under "savanna" i was searching for "sahara" | 18:24 |
| mattf | congrats | 18:24 |
| aignatov | SergeyLukjanov: and what’s about beer? | 18:24 |
| alazarev | mattf: :) | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, crobertsrh, tmckay, in which hotel will you live? | 18:24 |
| mattf | apparently crobertsrh will be on a cot | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, only water and snacks afaik | 18:24 |
| mattf | it's warm in atl in the summer | 18:25 |
| tmckay | didn't actually make my reservatoin yet :) | 18:25 |
| tmckay | so maybe I'll be camping | 18:25 |
| mattf | "warm" being an understatement | 18:25 |
| crobertsrh | I think I went with the Omni | 18:25 |
| elmiko | tmckay: bring a cot ;) | 18:25 |
| tmckay | camping wouldn't be so bad | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | heh, it's too cheap to bring my cot with me through the Atlantic ;) | 18:25 |
| tmckay | if all the rooms are gone close by, I'll rent a car and drive ;-) | 18:25 |
| elmiko | better beer at the hotel anyway | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | in Hong Kong there was a party each day after the summit | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | with free beer/wine | 18:26 |
| elmiko | nice | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and even snacks sometimes | 18:26 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, mattf, aignatov, jspeidel, have you all received invination to the core reviewers party? | 18:27 |
| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: in Portland there were several parties each day, actually | 18:27 |
| mattf | not sure, who's it from? i still have an email backlog atm. | 18:27 |
| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: one official and some unofficial | 18:27 |
| * mattf may have "accidentally" junked it if it looked generic | 18:27 | |
| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: no invitation | 18:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | topic: "You're invited to Core Reviewer Party at OpenStack Juno Summit (May 14, 2014)" | 18:28 |
| aignatov | I only recieved the … “OpenStack VIP Party: Atlanta Metro meets Block-Party Retro” | 18:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I've received "You're invited to Core Reviewer Party at OpenStack Juno Summit (May 14, 2014)" at March 15 | 18:28 |
| aignatov | did anyone recieve the same? | 18:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yup | 18:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'll contact organizers of core rev. party | 18:29 |
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| elmiko | i haven't received any party invites :( | 18:29 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, i don't see that one in my inbox | 18:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, are you sure that you registered for summit? :) | 18:29 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: i did | 18:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, mostly all of the parties were open | 18:29 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I hope that we'll have an ATC lounge this time too | 18:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | with unlimited red bull | 18:30 |
| mattf | hong kong hangover -> develop a taste for red bull -> feel shame | 18:31 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 18:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any other questions re design summit? | 18:31 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | or summit at all? | 18:31 |
| mattf | you're taking feedback until tomorrow? | 18:32 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #info our slots: thu afternoon + fri morning | 18:32 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, yup, I'd like to start conversations in etherpads asap | 18:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | anyway, we could change something on the go | 18:33 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | like "Oh, crap, we forgot to include **** to our design summit" | 18:33 |
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| * mattf nods | 18:34 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | comparing to the last summit sessions and hot topics current schedule looks actual | 18:34 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | additionally we'll be able to plan several small "chats" in other time | 18:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | using our pod | 18:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I hope that it'll work good | 18:35 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | next topics in meeting agenda are: | 18:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | When to start backward compat? | 18:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | Backward compat for Hadoop version | 18:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any preferences what to discuss next? | 18:36 |
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| mattf | i'm skeptical about supporting multiple 2.x streams | 18:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Backward compat for Hadoop version | 18:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Backward compat for Hadoop version (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:36 | |
| mattf | and i'm curious what folks have in mind for "upgrading" clusters | 18:37 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | folks, please, share your thoughts | 18:37 |
| mattf | i didn't get a chance to read last weeks notes, so if it is there tell me to go rtfn first | 18:37 |
| alazarev | I think we should keep all reseased versions | 18:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, you've prepared the bp, so, you should share your thoughts ;) | 18:37 |
| aignatov | mattf: but typical use case is when user has 2.3.0 cluster for examle | 18:37 |
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| alazarev | and remove them after deprication period | 18:37 |
| aignatov | long-living cluster | 18:37 |
| aignatov | and then he needs to scale it | 18:37 |
| alazarev | no upgrade of existing cluster | 18:38 |
| mattf | scaling and edp are the two places where we touch the inside of a cluster and may break compatibility? | 18:38 |
| alazarev | only data migration | 18:38 |
| aignatov | but suddenly he has sahara with new hadoop version | 18:38 |
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| alazarev | and for now, add 2.4 without removing 2.3 | 18:39 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | agree to alazarev, the only problem is to move data to a cluster with a newer version | 18:39 |
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| alazarev | NikitaKonovalov: EDP supports external HDFS | 18:40 |
| mattf | would you agree that supporting compat w/ a running cluster is different than building images for previous versions of hadoop? | 18:40 |
| alazarev | NikitaKonovalov: don’t see problems in data migration | 18:40 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | alazarev: it does, but the HDFS itself may change it's own api | 18:41 |
| aignatov | mattf: agree, actually users can build images with any hadoop versions atm and work with it like with 2.3.0 | 18:41 |
| mattf | data migration is an upgrade issue when someone wants to go from a 2.3 cluster to a 2.4 cluster, which is different from sahara going from 2014.1 to 2014.2, imho | 18:41 |
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| mattf | data migration seems like it is outside our scope atm | 18:41 |
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| alazarev | NikitaKonovalov: HDFS is API, it will be backward compatibility | 18:42 |
| SergeyLukjanov | my position: don't remove prev. plugin's version while adding new ones (we released 2.3 in I, so, it should be J, but could be removed in K), add docs about data migration | 18:42 |
| mattf | solved by standard migration procedures.... distcp from old to new.... | 18:42 |
| NikitaKonovalov | alazarev: I hope so | 18:42 |
| alazarev | mattf: agree | 18:42 |
| SergeyLukjanov | IMO we shouldn't implement migration, only add docs about possible data migration approaches | 18:42 |
| mattf | for long running clusters the migration plan should be whatever the plugin vendor recommends. imho. | 18:42 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, agree re scope | 18:43 |
| alazarev | mattf: we can document this process, to make things clea | 18:43 |
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| mattf | hopefully they're all pretty much the same | 18:43 |
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| aignatov | data can be migrated to swift and back, anyway, agree to only document possible migrations procedurs | 18:43 |
| * SergeyLukjanov booking 10 mins for Open Discussion | 18:44 | |
| mattf | as for the scaling & edp compatibility, our exposure should be limited to the tools we chose for scaling and edp (standard shell scripts & oozie). hopefully that's a low risk, or we chose poorly | 18:44 |
| mattf | we should have a test procedure to detect if we're breaking compat between sahara releases, not necessarily w/i | 18:45 |
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| mattf | so sahara 2014.1 has 2.3 and 2014.2 has 2.4, if 2014.2 can't operate on 2.3 we add compat code to 2014.2 | 18:45 |
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| mattf | that's generally where my head is | 18:45 |
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| mattf | i'm rather against the idea of supporting image building for old versions. you either have those registered somewhere or you use the new version. | 18:46 |
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| aignatov | mattf: in general I agree with you | 18:47 |
| mattf | also, if hadoop breaks mgmt interfaces between 2.3 and 2.4 we yell at them | 18:47 |
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| mattf | (and we probably won't be the only group yelling) | 18:48 |
| mattf | bob_nettleton, do you have any comments about the stability of hadoop w/i the 2.x series or the stability of the oozie interface we're using? | 18:49 |
| aignatov | also I think we will not need in compat code with hadoop vesions because diffrences between minor versions like 2.3, 2.4 is changes in configurations files | 18:49 |
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| aignatov | only these files coud affect sahara’s hadoop confgiuring | 18:49 |
| bob_nettleton | mattf, not sure if I have a specific comment regarding the 2.x interfaces. I'm trying to understand why we'd drop support for older versions in the images though. Is this to simplify the requirements on the plugin? | 18:50 |
| aignatov | but scaling and edp will work I believe | 18:50 |
| mattf | agree, it should be low risk. it's good to have an ide aof what we'll do if hadoop folks mess up. | 18:50 |
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| alazarev | aignatov: I agree that code can be compacted, but this is technical questions, not political | 18:50 |
| mattf | bob_nettleton, we should be validating all the images we produce w/ diskimage-create | 18:50 |
| SergeyLukjanov | sounds like we have a direction | 18:50 |
| mattf | bob_nettleton, imho we should need a really good reason to double the liability there | 18:51 |
| SergeyLukjanov | 8 mins left | 18:51 |
| mattf | bob_nettleton, would you like to support the plugin w/ hdp 2.0 and 2.1 as separate? | 18:51 |
| SergeyLukjanov | switching topic | 18:51 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Open discussion | 18:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:51 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | the next meeting day in May 1, it's a non-working day in Russia | 18:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and I'm starting traveling May 2 | 18:52 |
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| mattf | that's a looooong flight | 18:52 |
| tmckay | heh | 18:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, I'm proposing to move it to cancel it | 18:52 |
| bob_nettleton | mattf, I guess it depends. I understand your concern regarding a growing testing gap, with respect to how many images we generate. I do worry about users not being able to adopt Sahara due to a requirement to use a specific Hadoop version though. | 18:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'll be in CA for a week before ATL | 18:52 |
| mattf | could take it to os-dev -- if there are topics of interest | 18:53 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov too | 18:53 |
| mattf | so you guys won't need the red bull | 18:53 |
| aignatov | me too, actually I’ll start travelling on Monday | 18:53 |
| bob_nettleton | mattf, I certainly agree that we can't support all versions of Hadoop as time goes on, just not sure where the line should be drawn. | 18:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'll write about canceling the meeting to ML, good idea mattf | 18:53 |
| tmckay | aignatov, this Monday? | 18:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we could move it to anouther day too | 18:53 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | bob_nettleton ++ | 18:54 |
| aignatov | before summit I’ll bring Sahara to masses at Moscow confernce about BigData OpenStack | 18:54 |
| mattf | bob_nettleton, there's probably a line we should draw, but it should be between upstream and downstream providers. if downstream has longer maint requirements that's more a downstream issue than an upstream. | 18:54 |
| aignatov | tmckay: yes | 18:54 |
| tmckay | ah, I see. another conference | 18:54 |
| SergeyLukjanov | oh, one more note - I'll be on vacation for a week after the summit | 18:54 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, well earned | 18:54 |
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| aignatov | guys, plese dont forget about retrospective :) | 18:55 |
| SergeyLukjanov | anyone living in CA would like to have a beer before summit? | 18:56 |
| SergeyLukjanov | or milk | 18:56 |
| mattf | milk stouts are good | 18:56 |
| * mattf is boston (right coast) | 18:56 | |
| bob_nettleton | mattf, just seems to me that even dot releases in Hadoop these days include such large amounts of change that it might be difficult to settle on just one 2.x version, for example. | 18:56 |
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| aignatov | it’ll be helpful to discuss what should be improved in our community relating to your feadbacks | 18:56 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yup, folks, please, don't forget about retrospective, it could be very usefull | 18:57 |
| mattf | bob_nettleton, imho sahara should adopt tip of 2.x and we probably support previous-tip from our last release | 18:57 |
| mattf | aignatov, did we do much w/ the last one? | 18:57 |
| mattf | (6 mo is too long ago to remember) | 18:58 |
| SergeyLukjanov | 1 min left | 18:58 |
| aignatov | mattf: I think yes | 18:58 |
| * mattf smiles | 18:58 | |
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| mattf | continue on #openstack-sahara? | 18:59 |
| bob_nettleton | mattf, I think I'd need to understand the additional burdens on the plugin providers to support multiple 2.x versions, before I have a stronger opinion on this one. | 18:59 |
| aignatov | anyway, I’m waiting for your responses | 18:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, we do, there was comments re review, ci, etc. | 18:59 |
| mattf | bob_nettleton, i'm hoping for fewer versions to support, fyi | 18:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yup, let's move to our home channel | 18:59 |
| mattf | bob_nettleton, at least upstream... | 18:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 24 18:59:46 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-04-24-18.00.html | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-04-24-18.00.txt | 18:59 |
| mattf | thanks folks | 18:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thank you folks! | 18:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-04-24-18.00.log.html | 18:59 |
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| aignatov | thanks | 18:59 |
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