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| markwash | glance folks around? | 14:00 |
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| ameade | ya | 14:00 |
| ameade | ish | 14:00 |
| nikhil___ | o/ | 14:00 |
| markwash | #startmeeting glance | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 10 14:00:55 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markwash. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:01 |
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| arnaud | o/ | 14:01 |
| markwash | roll calll! | 14:01 |
| markwash | o/ | 14:01 |
| nikhil___ | o/ | 14:01 |
| ameade | o/ | 14:01 |
| zhiyan | hi | 14:01 |
| zhiyan | o/ | 14:01 |
| markwash | hi zhiyan | 14:02 |
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| zhiyan | hi markwash | 14:02 |
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| markwash | okay lets talk about icehouse rc2 | 14:02 |
| markwash | #topic icehouse rc2 | 14:02 |
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| markwash | #link https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/icehouse-rc2 | 14:03 |
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| esheffie1d | o/ | 14:03 |
| markwash | also | 14:04 |
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| markwash | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/?field.tag=icehouse-rc-potential&search=Search | 14:04 |
| zhiyan | esheffie1d: hi | 14:05 |
| markwash | icehouse-rc2 is supposed to go out today | 14:05 |
| markwash | if you wanna see any of these or other things land, we'll need to jump on it crazy fast in terms of landing it in master and creating another branch against milestone proposed | 14:06 |
| jokke_ | markwash: I don't think I will have test out for that oneliner today ... I'm really not familiar enough with the testing system for that and haven't got too much suggestions either how to do that | 14:06 |
| markwash | hi jokke_! | 14:07 |
| markwash | let me find a link to the test stuart was talking about | 14:08 |
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| jokke_ | markwash: the test Stuart sugggested to remove the config line would not fly ... as per my comment underneath, that test seems to verify that the function works as intended | 14:09 |
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| markwash | yeah I see that | 14:10 |
| jokke_ | so my problem is how to test that the config has actually been done at least some point | 14:10 |
| markwash | I kinda thought he was meaning to say we could remove calls to that function from test setup | 14:10 |
| jokke_ | yeah that was his proposal, but looking the nature of that test, it would not make sense | 14:10 |
| jokke_ | and that seems to be the only place in v2 tests the function is called | 14:11 |
| jokke_ | I was hoping as well that it would have been that easy | 14:11 |
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| markwash | jokke_: maybe removing it from https://github.com/openstack/glance/blob/master/glance/tests/functional/db/test_registry.py#L25 would work? | 14:12 |
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| markwash | I think if we don't explicitly call that function from our functional testing of the registry db driver would be sufficient to prevent regression | 14:12 |
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| jokke_ | markwash: that's true ... if you are happy about where the configure is called now, it would be called on the db.registry.api import | 14:14 |
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| jokke_ | which would make that api.configure_registry_client() obsolete | 14:15 |
| markwash | oh sorry, was there an issue with where the configure is called in your patch? | 14:15 |
| jokke_ | and ensure that the function call stays in the import level | 14:15 |
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| markwash | I know its a little tricky to do that stuff at import time | 14:15 |
| jokke_ | markwash: I did it first in the images ImageController so it would have been consistent with v1 | 14:16 |
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| markwash | jokke_: consistency with v1 doesn't make a ton of sense here, honestly | 14:16 |
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| markwash | v2 doesn't always use the registry | 14:16 |
| markwash | so it shouldn't hardwire registry setup | 14:16 |
| markwash | v1 *does* always use the registry | 14:16 |
| jokke_ | fair enough and that was what we discussed with Stuart as well | 14:17 |
| markwash | right | 14:17 |
| markwash | so doing the configure at import time is a bit weird, however | 14:17 |
| markwash | I think we don't normally import glance.db.registry.api | 14:17 |
| markwash | instead we do a normal import for glance.db and then later call get_api() | 14:17 |
| jokke_ | it is, _but_ it seems to work and does not look horrible ;) | 14:17 |
| markwash | which will do importutils.import_module('glance.db.registry.api') | 14:18 |
| markwash | so the import is actually like a class constructor in the final analysis | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | ok | 14:18 |
| markwash | still gross, I'll grant | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | yeah | 14:18 |
| markwash | but best not to rock the boat :-) | 14:18 |
| markwash | for rc2 at least! :-) | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | I agree ... so if we want to throw that in as it is, fine or I have couple of hours left to try to do some test hacking hoping nothing will break badly :P | 14:19 |
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| markwash | okay cool, thanks for that discussion jokke_ I'm glad we can probably get that item unblocked | 14:19 |
| jokke_ | thanks | 14:19 |
| markwash | this bug is sort of on the bubble https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1285617 | 14:20 |
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| markwash | it has a few options for fixes | 14:21 |
| markwash | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/77379/ | 14:21 |
| markwash | and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/83327/ | 14:21 |
| markwash | zhiyan: that latter one is yours I believe | 14:21 |
| zhiyan | markwash: yes | 14:21 |
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| ameade | I vote for the quick fix atm | 14:22 |
| zhiyan | actually i think maybe we can land https://review.openstack.org/#/c/83327/ first, then ask #77379 use "tox -egenconf" to update template conf file | 14:22 |
| zhiyan | ok, if so, as ameade said, i prefer owner of #77379 just cherry-pick 383327 down to local dev env, and do "tox -egenconf" to update template conf file | 14:23 |
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| markwash | zhiyan: are you thinking of this for milestone-proposed icehouse-rc2 ? or for juno in general? | 14:23 |
| zhiyan | IMHO | 14:23 |
| zhiyan | i think rc2 needs 77379 probably | 14:23 |
| markwash | okay I think I see | 14:24 |
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| markwash | are there other big differences that would surface if we used config sample generation, other than this db section? | 14:25 |
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| zhiyan | i believe there has some | 14:25 |
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| markwash | zhiyan: also, is there a particular reason you want to make sure the config is the same before and after switching to config sample generation? or just general consistency? | 14:25 |
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| zhiyan | the complete config items https://review.openstack.org/#/c/83327/1/etc/glance/glance.conf.sample | 14:26 |
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| ameade | i like 77379 as-is for now i think | 14:27 |
| zhiyan | just for general consistency | 14:27 |
| markwash | one thing I'm a tiny bit worried about is if there are options where our sample description is a lot better than our description in the option definition | 14:27 |
| zhiyan | ameade: me too. but i think it miss some db related options | 14:28 |
| markwash | in juno we should have some time and exposure to have someone audit the sample config for sanity and follow up with description changes in the code | 14:28 |
| arnaud | +1 | 14:28 |
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| zhiyan | markwash: ok, i'm fine to make 77379 go for rc. | 14:29 |
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| markwash | okay let's do another quick pass through that patch and see if there are changes that need to be made before it can land | 14:30 |
| zhiyan | and i think probably it need to add missing options | 14:30 |
| markwash | zhiyan: +1 | 14:30 |
| zhiyan | so i still think my latest comments in 77379 is useful | 14:31 |
| markwash | looking | 14:31 |
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| markwash | I see, similar to what you said here | 14:32 |
| zhiyan | markwash: and btw, in J, I'd like to figure out a way to allow Glance to support automatic generation of separated sample configuration files. | 14:32 |
| markwash | except just paste the relevant sections from tox -e genconfig, rather than the whole config | 14:32 |
| arnaud | zhiyan: that would be nice yes | 14:32 |
| zhiyan | maybe need to leverage https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo/+bug/1300546 | 14:32 |
| markwash | okay I'll reinforce your comment in that patch | 14:33 |
| markwash | but I"m worried that shi han zhang won't have time to get a fix uploaded today | 14:33 |
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| zhiyan | arnaud: yes, manual sync-up is boing and error-prone | 14:33 |
| arnaud | yep... | 14:34 |
| zhiyan | markwash: ok, i do it. | 14:34 |
| markwash | zhiyan fixes all the bugs | 14:35 |
| zhiyan | markwash: (after the handling for bug 1298698) | 14:35 |
| markwash | if you want to share the burden I'm sure someone whose day is closer to beginning could give it a look ;-) | 14:35 |
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| markwash | zhiyan: but okay. . I'll be back online in about 2 hours and I'll look for and blindly approve changes | 14:36 |
| zhiyan | :) | 14:36 |
| markwash | anything else anyone is worried about for icehouse rc2? | 14:37 |
| markwash | yay crickets! | 14:38 |
| markwash | #topic open discussion | 14:38 |
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| markwash | so today is my "oh crap gotta catch the bus" day | 14:38 |
| markwash | so I need to head out in about 10 minutes | 14:38 |
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| jokke_ | looking good ... I think for Juno we need to get the testing bit more clear for v2 sqlalchemy/registry | 14:38 |
| markwash | ameade and I had a good chat yesterday about figuring out some other solutions to the use case of rapidly populating a volume with glance image data | 14:39 |
| markwash | ameade: does it still seem like image locations / fs store / image location metadata may do the trick? | 14:40 |
| jokke_ | I'm also bit concerned about the performance of the v2 api | 14:40 |
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| markwash | jokke_ hmm me too, do you have any measurements of it we could look at? | 14:40 |
| ameade | markwash: i think so, one limitation though is you can only have one backend with glance, cinder however has a scheduler and things that allow spreading the load | 14:41 |
| ameade | not sure how much that matters though | 14:41 |
| jokke_ | markwash: just quick test on our RnD cluster ... Grizzly v1 image-list on about 53k records took less than two minutes ... havana v2 + couple of backports to get reg working same data the image list took 8+ minutes | 14:41 |
| zhiyan | ameade: btw, does the wiki page ready? | 14:41 |
| ameade | for example, glance could only use one nfs share, but cinder can have as many as it wants and decides which to use | 14:42 |
| markwash | jokke_: hmm that's no good, but i wonder if is any better with glance api talking directly to the db rather than to the v2 registry | 14:42 |
| ameade | zhiyan: no | 14:42 |
| jokke_ | markwash: with sqlalchemy in the data_path it was still around 6min+ | 14:43 |
| markwash | ameade: there is some logic in the fs driver about sharing the load among different directories on the fs, which I think may be similar | 14:43 |
| markwash | jokke_: holy smokes! that's no good | 14:43 |
| ameade | markwash: interesting | 14:43 |
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| markwash | jokke_: any theories / patches yet? :-) | 14:43 |
| jokke_ | markwash: I know ... just haven't had opportunity to dig into what is causing that yet | 14:44 |
| zhiyan | markwash: do you like reopen https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/s3-multi-part-upload bp? i believe https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49316/ change is a worth stuff, and Masashi Ozawa really like to do it. (actually he do it in whole I cycle) | 14:44 |
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| markwash | zhiyan: sure, I can't find why I marked it obsolete | 14:45 |
| markwash | jokke_: well I'll be very eager to hear about anything you find out! | 14:45 |
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| zhiyan | markwash: thanks | 14:45 |
| markwash | I would like to put fixes for that into icehouse as a backport if posible | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | markwash: will let you know as soon as I do | 14:46 |
| markwash | okay, gotta run folks, thanks so much for this very tactical meeting! | 14:46 |
| markwash | #endmeeting | 14:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 10 14:46:14 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-04-10-14.00.html | 14:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-04-10-14.00.txt | 14:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-04-10-14.00.log.html | 14:46 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 10 15:01:27 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:01 |
| bswartz | hello folks | 15:01 |
| yportnova__ | hi | 15:01 |
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| rraja | hi | 15:01 |
| xyang1 | hi | 15:01 |
| vponomaryov | hi | 15:01 |
| shamail-web | hello | 15:02 |
| Guest51361 | hi | 15:02 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov has added a few things to the agenda today | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ManilaMeetings | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | let's start with those | 15:02 |
| bswartz | #topic open items | 15:02 |
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| vponomaryov | from agenda: 1) Manila's entities do not require setting of name before creation. Should it be changed to required? | 15:02 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: where else in openstack are names required? | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | instances, network entities | 15:04 |
| bswartz | is that new? | 15:04 |
| bswartz | I always created unnamed instances before | 15:04 |
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| yportnova__ | bswartz: it is not new | 15:05 |
| vponomaryov | nova requires name | 15:05 |
| bswartz | hmm | 15:05 |
| vponomaryov | for booting instance | 15:05 |
| bswartz | maybe I just used a default name and didn't think about it | 15:05 |
| bswartz | so you're proposing requiring names for share-networks and shares? | 15:06 |
| bswartz | what do you think the benefit of that would be | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | we mention it, because if do not set name we have empty string and horizon will show it | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | in table of entities | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | cinder doesn't require a name | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | for example, for share-network | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | we can leave all values empty and will have all empty strings in table | 15:07 |
| bswartz | I could go either way on this | 15:08 |
| bswartz | on the one hand, making the change now will be the least disruptive | 15:08 |
| bswartz | however, it seems like a needless restriction | 15:08 |
| bswartz | anyone else have an opinion | 15:08 |
| bswartz | ? | 15:08 |
| vponomaryov | We should just decide with it, I am ok lealing it as is | 15:10 |
| xyang1 | since cinder doesn't require it, I don't think we should add this requirement | 15:10 |
| vponomaryov | /s/lealing/leaving | 15:10 |
| bswartz | what does cinder show in horizon for volumes w/ no names? | 15:10 |
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| xyang1 | I think name will be empty if you don't specify | 15:10 |
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| yportnova__ | bswartz: ids | 15:11 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: it sets id in name column | 15:11 |
| bswartz | yeah that's what I figured | 15:11 |
| bswartz | okay let's leave it | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | #agreed names not required for shares and share-networks | 15:11 |
| bswartz | next issue | 15:11 |
| vponomaryov | open item 2) Manila's share-network can be created with any value of neutron-net-id and neutron-subnet-id. Should it be so, or only valid id's of neutron entities allowed? | 15:12 |
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| rraja | vponomaryov: what do you mean by 'valid' ids? | 15:13 |
| vponomaryov | that exist | 15:13 |
| rraja | ok | 15:13 |
| bswartz | okay so first let's make sure everyone agrees | 15:13 |
| vponomaryov | with proper relation net-subnet | 15:13 |
| bswartz | the goal is to eventually make the network provider pluggable so we don't have a hard dependency on neutron | 15:13 |
| bswartz | for now a dependency on neutron is okay because that's the only realistic alternative within openstack | 15:14 |
| bswartz | any issue with that goal? | 15:14 |
| vponomaryov | only displaying it in horizon | 15:15 |
| vponomaryov | by default we use mapping name -ids | 15:15 |
| vponomaryov | and what should be shown when there are empty/nonvalid ids | 15:16 |
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| bswartz | do we have a good way to handle mapping shares in a flat network environment? | 15:16 |
| vponomaryov | I meant different mapping | 15:16 |
| vponomaryov | id of entity to appropriate name if exists | 15:17 |
| bswartz | I think the 2 imporant use cases today are: (1) network segmentation w/ neutron and (2) flat network | 15:17 |
| bswartz | in the future we want to add (3) network segmentation with other tools | 15:17 |
| bswartz | since (1) is harder that's where we've spent the effort so far | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | but we want to avoid making (2) harder | 15:18 |
| bswartz | and (3) too, but that's further down the road | 15:19 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: it seems that we can tighten up the error checking on share network creation later | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | if a user submits something invalid it will fail at some point anyways | 15:20 |
| rraja | bswartz: +1 | 15:21 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: I am talking about period, before activation, when it is not validated yet | 15:21 |
| bswartz | I don't want to spend time on error checking until we have a very good idea of what all values we want to accept | 15:21 |
| bswartz | so vponomaryov, what kind of check would you propose? | 15:21 |
| bswartz | just validate that the number maps to something real at creation time, by calling a rest api on neutron? | 15:22 |
| vponomaryov | it is related to horizon | 15:22 |
| vponomaryov | it gathers info and send requests to get names | 15:22 |
| bswartz | so your concern is that an invalid ID will cause horizon to blow up? | 15:23 |
| vponomaryov | in case of empty/invalid ids we need show something | 15:23 |
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| bswartz | can't we just default to "unknown" if horizon can't figure it out? | 15:24 |
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| vponomaryov | yes we can | 15:24 |
| vponomaryov | also we can show its value | 15:24 |
| vponomaryov | but need choose one | 15:25 |
| vponomaryov | one variant of possible | 15:25 |
| bswartz | I like unknown | 15:25 |
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| vponomaryov | ok | 15:25 |
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| bswartz | any other issues to discuss before we go on? | 15:26 |
| vponomaryov | not from me | 15:26 |
| bswartz | #topic dev status | 15:27 |
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| vponomaryov | Dev status: | 15:27 |
| vponomaryov | Horizon | 15:27 |
| vponomaryov | bp: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/horizon-integration | 15:27 |
| vponomaryov | code: #link https://github.com/NetApp/horizon/tree/manila | 15:27 |
| vponomaryov | manual: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/docs/HOWTO_use_manila_with_horizon | 15:27 |
| vponomaryov | status: beta available, work in progress | 15:27 |
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| vponomaryov | thats all | 15:28 |
| bswartz | thanks vponomaryov | 15:28 |
| rraja | We were able to create the service VM image that needs 64M RAM to boot up. The booted VM can work as a NFSv3/NFSv4/SMB server(tested with Manila generic driver framework) but not yet as a Ganesha server. Also the image has the NFS and CIFS client programs if one wants to use it as a guest image as well. | 15:28 |
| rraja | people.redhat.com/chenk/cirros/cirros-generic-svm-934998f.qcow2 | 15:28 |
| bswartz | horizon has been the major focus of development in the last week -- with an eye towards atlanta | 15:29 |
| bswartz | remember that we only really have 4 more weeks until the conference | 15:29 |
| bswartz | rraja: that's great! | 15:29 |
| vponomaryov | rraja: thanks, will try it | 15:29 |
| bswartz | rraja: does that mean you found workarounds for the initrd stuff? | 15:29 |
| rraja | bswartz: thanks! | 15:29 |
| rraja | source tree: https://github.com/csabahenk/cirros/tree/manila-service-generic | 15:30 |
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| rraja | bswartz: yes! csaba did. :) | 15:30 |
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| rraja | s/csaba/chenk | 15:31 |
| bswartz | thanks | 15:31 |
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| bswartz | rraja: what additional work do you have planned then? | 15:32 |
| bswartz | still going to spend time trying to get ganesha to work? | 15:32 |
| bswartz | does ganesha work if you use a larger/standard image? | 15:32 |
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| rraja | bswartz: we have not trying installing ganesha in the image. so i'm not sure. | 15:33 |
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| rraja | and now we plan to concentrate on working on our multi-tenant driver that would integrate with the generic driver framework. | 15:33 |
| bswartz | rraja: oh okay | 15:34 |
| bswartz | would that driver start out using plain nfs-kernel-server? | 15:34 |
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| rraja | no. it'd use nfs-ganesha. so first we need to get our single tenant driver working with NFS Ganesha, and right now it works with only gluster-nfs | 15:35 |
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| bswartz | okay | 15:35 |
| bswartz | well I'm excited about that | 15:35 |
| rraja | bswartz: thanks! | 15:35 |
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| bswartz | however that won't be done soon thought, right? certainly not in time for atlanta? | 15:36 |
| rraja | yeah. my guess is that we can't, but hoping we will. | 15:37 |
| bswartz | well that's what I wanted to talk about next | 15:37 |
| bswartz | #topic atlanta | 15:37 |
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| bswartz | so it's time to start getting the plans for the presentation and demo sorted out | 15:38 |
| bswartz | we've talked to several companies that would like to participate | 15:38 |
| bswartz | but I'm missing contact names for some | 15:38 |
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| bswartz | is anyone from IBM here? | 15:38 |
| bswartz | rraja, the name I have from Redhat is John Walker, does that sound right? | 15:40 |
| rraja | yes | 15:40 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:41 |
| bswartz | I'll have to followup on IBM | 15:41 |
| bswartz | the people coordinating the presentation should be in touch shortly | 15:41 |
| bswartz | xyang1: does EMC have a driver in a demoable state? | 15:41 |
| xyang1 | EMC have two drivers | 15:42 |
| xyang1 | we are still working on horizon piece | 15:42 |
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| bswartz | xyang1: what horizon piece? | 15:42 |
| xyang1 | how long should we prepare the demo | 15:42 |
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| xyang1 | I mean horizon integration | 15:42 |
| xyang1 | we need that right | 15:42 |
| xyang1 | mutitenancy support is another thing we are still working on | 15:43 |
| bswartz | xyang1: the exact format is still TBD -- we obviously want to show off the horizon interface, but that could very well not be live | 15:43 |
| xyang1 | ok | 15:43 |
| vponomaryov | xyang1: horizon talks to api, how development of driver can be related to horizon? | 15:43 |
| xyang1 | vponomaryov: I mean we need to setup with horizon to show that | 15:43 |
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| vponomaryov | xyang1: in that case you just need setup it at all | 15:44 |
| xyang1 | vponomaryov: I mean we need to follow your wiki steps | 15:44 |
| xyang1 | yes | 15:44 |
| vponomaryov | xyang1: do you have problem with setup? | 15:44 |
| xyang1 | vponomaryov: I haven't tried yet. | 15:45 |
| bswartz | xyang1: when do you anticipate your driver can go up on gerrit (in at least a WIP state) | 15:45 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: we are not there yet. still need legal approval | 15:45 |
| bswartz | xyang1: I know legal approval can be a slow thing, but are we talking days, weeks, or months? | 15:46 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: we are working with legal on that | 15:46 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: probably months:( | 15:46 |
| bswartz | okay -- so anything we show in atlanta would be unreleased code | 15:46 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: ya, most likely | 15:47 |
| vponomaryov | planned live demo? | 15:47 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: live demos have their drawbacks ;-) | 15:48 |
| bswartz | we will see | 15:48 |
| bswartz | I'd love to show something live, but we have to be realistic | 15:48 |
| vponomaryov | =) | 15:48 |
| bswartz | the main point I wanted to make is that we need to start firming up the presentation now, given the timeline for the conference | 15:49 |
| bswartz | we're not going to plan this out the week before -- it needs to be solid in the next week or 2 | 15:49 |
| bswartz | okay enough on that | 15:49 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:50 |
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| bswartz | any other topics from anyone? | 15:50 |
| yportnova__ | bswartz: yes | 15:50 |
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| yportnova__ | one question | 15:50 |
| yportnova__ | Do we need to have possibility to create two separate share-netwroks with the same pair neutron net/subnet? | 15:50 |
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| yportnova__ | in one tenant | 15:50 |
| bswartz | yportnova__: I believe yes -- if you want each to have different security | 15:51 |
| bswartz | do you disagree? | 15:51 |
| yportnova__ | bswartz: agree | 15:51 |
| yportnova__ | just needed to clarify | 15:51 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:52 |
| bswartz | anything else? | 15:52 |
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| bswartz | okay thanks everyone | 15:52 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 10 15:53:03 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-04-10-15.01.html | 15:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-04-10-15.01.txt | 15:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-04-10-15.01.log.html | 15:53 |
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| nikhil___ | harlowja_away: arnaud something really important personal work came up. Do you guys mind rescheduling our syncup to later? (say, tomorrow same time?) | 16:29 |
| nikhil___ | or please suggest time | 16:29 |
| arnaud | tomorrow same time | 16:30 |
| arnaud | perfect for me | 16:30 |
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| harlowja | nikhil___ thats fine, i just got in a little late anyway ;) | 17:07 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | sahara folks | 18:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ping | 18:04 |
| ylobankov_ | here | 18:04 |
| elmiko | ahoyhoy | 18:04 |
| aignatov | o/ | 18:04 |
| crobertsrh | howdy | 18:04 |
| tmckay | hello | 18:04 |
| tosky | hi | 18:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting sahara | 18:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 10 18:05:19 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #ling https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | hey folks | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | traditionally, the first topic is.... | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 18:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News / updates (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:05 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | folks, please | 18:05 |
| dmitryme | I was mostly finalizing the docs | 18:06 |
| crobertsrh | I've started the merging process for the dashboard into horizon. I hope to have all the CRs up no later than tomorrow. | 18:06 |
| mattf | sahara is going to get air time during #devnation next week (assuming i start & finish the presentation). also, it'll get air time during hadoop summit in san jose. | 18:06 |
| ylobankov_ | I am testing all things related with Sahara | 18:07 |
| aignatov | mattf: cool! | 18:07 |
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| mattf | aignatov, i may snag your todo demo for #devnation. i can't seem to get my sigmask in place to make something. | 18:07 |
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| aignatov | I was working a few on docs and tested all related heat stuff in sahara, also updated sahara's resource in heat | 18:08 |
| mattf | re conference - has anyone submitted to hadoop world in nyc? | 18:08 |
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| aignatov | mattf: you mean demo about "Top todoers"? | 18:08 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, awesome, could you please announce new CRs to #openstack-sahara? | 18:09 |
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| aignatov | feel free to show it for masses :) | 18:09 |
| mattf | aignatov, quite possibly | 18:09 |
| crobertsrh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86648/ | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-icehouse-tbd | 18:09 |
| crobertsrh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86614/ | 18:09 |
| mattf | aignatov, i'm thinking about adding a time component. who's removing their todos vs who is just accumulating them | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info the blocker for RC2 is HDP features / desciption update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84797/ | 18:10 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | when it'll be merged, we're reading to rc2 | 18:10 |
| dmitryme | mattf: sounds like an interesting variation | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'll double check that all needed CRs are backported to m-p | 18:11 |
| mattf | dmitryme, i'll look pretty bad in it | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and ask ttx to push the rc2 tag | 18:11 |
| mattf | dmitryme, could be good for public shaming | 18:11 |
| aignatov | mattf: nice idea, I mean to get sources for one date and sources for another date and then a diff in TODOs, right? | 18:11 |
| dmitryme | SergeyLukjanov: can we put https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86641/ into rc2 as well? | 18:11 |
| mattf | aignatov, for speed i might just pull release tarballs | 18:12 |
| tmckay | all, I'm pursuing the bigpetstore app as a demo, but it's not there yet. 2 parts, data generation, and csv processing. I ran the first part (with hdfs, needs mods to use swift). The 2nd part launches PigServer from inside a java app, so I'm trying to run it as a Java action but it needs a pig lib on the classpath. The other option is to extract the Pig script built in the java app and allow Oozie's pig runner to work on that. | 18:12 |
| aignatov | probably this idea is a good on more demo's candidate for Atalanta summit | 18:12 |
| mattf | ideally we can have a different demo for #devnation, os summit, hadoop summit | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | dmitryme, sure, nice tip | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, aignatov, jspeidel, alazarev, please, review/approve https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86641/ | 18:13 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, i've been super distracted, but at some point i'd like to formalize the criteria for breaching feature freeze or rc | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, it was already defined - hadoop2 updates and docs | 18:14 |
| sreshetnyak | o/ | 18:14 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, my sampling of merges suggests we're not sticking to that. your notion of the criteria must not match my notion. | 18:15 |
| aignatov | yep, seems to be hadoop 2 related changes are already in the icehouse | 18:15 |
| aignatov | only docs left | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, and open issue, that are blocking some important features | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info https://launchpad.net/sahara/+milestone/icehouse-rc2 | 18:15 |
| mattf | important is subjective | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, note that master is Juno already, not everything merged to master backported to m-p | 18:16 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, /me nods | 18:17 |
| mattf | i'd like to discuss at some point, but after next week... | 18:17 |
| aignatov | release will be on the next week :) | 18:18 |
| * mattf nods | 18:18 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, we'll have much more for this process next release | 18:18 |
| * mattf breaks neck nodding | 18:18 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, this time we have last two weeks before FF renaming savanna to sahara instead of doing things that we're doing now | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, that's why I've approved more backports than I wnat to see during the rc perion | 18:19 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, i'm just raising a warning flag that we should find a way to formalize the criteria | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | period* | 18:19 |
| mattf | and clearly it's too late for this release | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, there is no way to formalize it ;) take a look on other projects | 18:20 |
| mattf | well, at least socialize it then | 18:20 |
| mattf | but...we should move on | 18:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | all of the stuff was added to etherpad and milestone that were announced and discussed several times in irc and ml | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | oh, I find useful link | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://github.com/openstack/sahara/compare/2014.1.rc1...milestone-proposed | 18:21 |
| mattf | i really don't want to entirely derail the meeting w/ details | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, for rc2, we're waiting for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86641/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84797/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/83036/ | 18:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any objections? | 18:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and additions? | 18:23 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | oh, hext topic is already here | 18:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Icehouse release status | 18:23 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | next* | 18:23 |
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| aignatov | hehe, probably we already discussed Icehouse release status :) | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info both action items re aggregating list of needed CRs completed | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info done: aignatov to compost list of issues that should be fixed in Icehouse | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info done: elmiko to compose list of docs that should be done in Icehouse | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, elmiko, thanks | 18:25 |
| aignatov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-fixes-after-rc | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, socialization, you've requested :) | 18:25 |
| mattf | will someone explain the functional impact of https://bugs.launchpad.net/sahara/+bug/1304995 ? | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | sreshetnyak, ^^ | 18:26 |
| aignatov | performance, hadoop can work more faster if it has native libraries | 18:26 |
| mattf | what will people be able to see before and after the "fix"? | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, IIRC it's a significant perf. improvement for hadoop 2 users | 18:26 |
| mattf | aignatov, i get that in theory, but has anyone demonstrated it? what kind of performance increase are you looking at...? | 18:26 |
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| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, if you have some data on that please pls pls toss it in the bug so we can work from the same facts | 18:27 |
| aignatov | mattf: yes, try to create cluster w/o those libs and w/ it | 18:27 |
| dmitryme | mattf: mapreduce speed up, I think | 18:27 |
| mattf | generally i'm +1 for anything potentially perf related, but i'm more interested right now in making sure we communicate what the impact of changes is | 18:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | more info - http://hadoop.apache.org/docs/r2.3.0/hadoop-project-dist/hadoop-common/NativeLibraries.html | 18:27 |
| aignatov | in the first case you'll see multiple warnings about absence of those libs and all hadoop related actions will work more slowly in comparison with case w/ libs | 18:28 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | AFAIK hadoop expect that these native libs will be available, it's just weird that they are not included | 18:28 |
| aignatov | hadoop 1.2 contained native libs in del and rpm packages so we didn't worried about that | 18:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | correction: only 32-bit ones included | 18:29 |
| aignatov | del -> deb | 18:29 |
| mattf | imho removing a warning isn't important enough | 18:29 |
| mattf | i get that there's a discrepancy between what may be expected and what's provided, but if that doesn't change the user experience significantly why add it now instead of juno? | 18:30 |
| dmitryme | mattf: we actually have a backup plan in case images with native libs start to fail | 18:31 |
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| mattf | dmitryme, you're way ahead of me. so what happens when those libs don't load on fedora because they were built for ubuntu etc? | 18:31 |
| * mattf grants ^^ is a theoretical issue atm | 18:32 | |
| dmitryme | we will simply rebuild them without native libs and place new images instead of old ones on our download site | 18:32 |
| dmitryme | without changing images' names | 18:32 |
| dmitryme | so we will not have to change the docs | 18:33 |
| * mattf eeks a bit | 18:33 | |
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| * mattf expects tosky just shed a tear | 18:33 | |
| tosky | eh :( | 18:33 |
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| dmitryme | tosky: why? | 18:33 |
| tosky | well, at least the assumption is that "it works as before" | 18:33 |
| tosky | so not the top issue - I have other issues at the moment | 18:34 |
| tosky | should I ask for info on a bug now, or should I wait for the "open discussion" ? | 18:34 |
| tosky | (potentially rc bug if confirmed, I would say) | 18:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, now | 18:34 |
| mattf | tosky, i don't think there's a bug for what to do if native libs fail | 18:34 |
| tosky | so, this authentication bug when launching a job https://bugs.launchpad.net/sahara/+bug/1305210 was reported by me but found almost at the same time by elmiko too | 18:35 |
| elmiko | on 2 different systems no less | 18:35 |
| tosky | he went into details more than me | 18:35 |
| mattf | aignatov, dmitryme, SergeyLukjanov, imho the bar for changes during a stabilization period should have a clear functional justification and a way to test it | 18:35 |
| sreshetnyak | libhdfs.so library provide C API for hdfs | 18:36 |
| mattf | it's probably a bunch of work to do for this native library change, so i'd rather it go in at the beginning of the next cycle so we have 5mo to stumble on the issues | 18:36 |
| aignatov | tosky: elmiko that's looks strange because we have savanna-ci which runs Pig jobs on the near-master devstack with keystone v3 | 18:36 |
| mattf | so i'll probably not +2 it | 18:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info RC2 will be earlier friday after merging and backporting last changes | 18:37 |
| mattf | this is the kind of criteria that we should lay out for stabilization | 18:37 |
| elmiko | aignatov: do we generate the request for the "/v3/tokens" endpoint? | 18:37 |
| * mattf attempts to step down off soapbox | 18:37 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info only fixes for super critical issues will be accepted after RC2 (like sahara couldn't start because....) | 18:37 |
| tosky | aignatov: do you use the internal storage for the jobs, or swift? | 18:37 |
| aignatov | hmm | 18:39 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, it's only related to the vanilla hadoop 2, that's why we're considering i | 18:39 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it* | 18:39 |
| aignatov | for jobs I've used internal storage | 18:39 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, I think swift is used in CI | 18:40 |
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| tosky | uhm, could you please check? Also, if I missed some details in the bug, please tell me and I will add the missing steps | 18:40 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, that "hadoop 2" bucket is very wide. it would definitely help if someone wrote down in a bp what it meant. but i'm off my soapbox now. | 18:40 |
| elmiko | aignatov, SergeyLukjanov, i'm still curious if we are generating the url for the "/v3/tokens" endpoint? | 18:40 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, we're generating it if it's not available | 18:41 |
| dmitryme | tosky: the stack trace indicates that the code fails in 'upload_job_files' | 18:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, but it's used only for trusts-related stuff | 18:41 |
| dmitryme | AFAIU this code is should common for both Hadoop 1 and Hadoop 2 | 18:41 |
| dmitryme | tmckay, aignatov, can you confirm? | 18:41 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: my concern is that it's not the proper endpoint to keystone | 18:42 |
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| aignatov | dmitryme: uploading job files is the same for both versions | 18:42 |
| elmiko | maybe i'm misunderstanding how we use it | 18:42 |
| SergeyLukjanov | https://github.com/openstack/sahara/blob/master/sahara/utils/openstack/base.py#L73 | 18:43 |
| tmckay | aignatov, dmitryme, agree | 18:43 |
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| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: we might have a small issue then, v3 keystone api has "/v3/auth/tokens" but no "/v3/tokens" | 18:44 |
| aignatov | elmiko, one more thing could be is the ".sahara" suffix | 18:44 |
| aignatov | it is only needed for data sources | 18:44 |
| elmiko | aignatov: on the swift:// uri? | 18:44 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, we're not generating the url, we're using keystone client | 18:45 |
| aignatov | elmiko: for uploaded job binaries you don't need to provide that suffix | 18:45 |
| tmckay | all, actually, I just got this error 10 minutes ago :) | 18:45 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: ok, i just saw the same bug as tosky and somewhere a GET is made on "/v3/tokens" and it returns 404 | 18:45 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, probably, old keystoneclient version? | 18:46 |
| elmiko | aignatov: ok, i had to remove it for my stuff | 18:46 |
| tmckay | using neutron, hadoop 2.3.0, tip of devstack. But, I only used swift for a binary -- which is not accessed from the hadoop cluster | 18:46 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: could be | 18:46 |
| tmckay | it's pulled by sahara and then copied | 18:46 |
| tmckay | so, I wonder if it's a problem related to neutron or the tip of devstack | 18:46 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, the -transient job @ sahara-ci tests all our code that is related to keystone api v3 | 18:46 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, it creates transient cluster, that means it creates trusts and etc. | 18:47 |
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| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: ok, it was just odd that tosky and i saw this on 2 radically different setups | 18:47 |
| aignatov | SergeyLukjanov: but transient cluster job doesn't run edp actions | 18:48 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: he was using devstack and i was using rdo/icehouse | 18:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, yup, that's correct | 18:48 |
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| tmckay | elmiko, I should poke at this some, too. seems to be widespread | 18:48 |
| tosky | SergeyLukjanov: transient cluster, do you mean the cluster is created on-the-fly ("Launch on a new cluster")? | 18:48 |
| elmiko | tmckay: cool, i'm trying to get my stack working again to see if it's still happening. i ended up having to back off v3 auth to get it working | 18:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, yup | 18:48 |
| tosky | SergeyLukjanov: I ran the job on an existing cluster | 18:49 |
| elmiko | tosky: same for me | 18:49 |
| SergeyLukjanov | bah | 18:49 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | which keystone version you have in endpoints? | 18:49 |
| tmckay | elmiko, I've got this issue right now :) I can hit "swift download blah" from the cli, with the same credentials, but not from sahara ... | 18:50 |
| tosky | SergeyLukjanov: which file should I check exactly? | 18:50 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: i'm not sure, i think it was v3 but i had to bring down that stack | 18:51 |
| dmitryme | tmckay: CLI works, but Sahara does not, with the same credentials, right? | 18:51 |
| tmckay | yes | 18:51 |
| dmitryme | tmckay: can you show OS_AUTH_URL you use for CLI? | 18:51 |
| SergeyLukjanov | let's continue discussing it after the meeting | 18:52 |
| tosky | oki | 18:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and consider it as a potential issue for rc3 | 18:52 |
| dmitryme | SergeyLukjanov: right, we can do it in Sahara channel | 18:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | in fact the v2 keystone api version is still the main one | 18:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and there is still no good deprecation plan for it | 18:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Open discussion | 18:53 |
| tosky | didn't they switch it already? Someone was even talking about killing the tests in Juno timeframe | 18:53 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, they was stopped by tc due to the attempt to depricate v2 api while not all other projects support v3 :) | 18:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | 6 mins left to discuss something | 18:54 |
| mattf | has anyone filed a bp for massaging itests to look like tempest tests? | 18:54 |
| elmiko | i have been using sahara-image-elements to create centos+hdp2 images, i continue to see ambari-server setup failuers during boot. | 18:54 |
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| mattf | elmiko, no hwx folks around, doh | 18:55 |
| elmiko | oh well, i tried | 18:55 |
| dmitryme | Hey people, I wanted to remind you that we have https://ask.openstack.org/en/questions/ | 18:55 |
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| aignatov | elmiko: I'm afraid no one except HW knows how HDP 2 plugin works | 18:55 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ylobankov_, please, ensure "[22:54:42] <mattf> has anyone filed a bp for massaging itests to look like tempest tests?" is done | 18:55 |
| dmitryme | where people post questions for Sahara (and Savanna) from time to time | 18:55 |
| elmiko | aignatov: i've made it work, but only if i give the instance access to the internet. i'll ask them next time we talk. | 18:56 |
| mattf | ylobankov_, please subscribe me when it's done | 18:56 |
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| aignatov | ok | 18:56 |
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| dmitryme | elmiko: if installer does not find JRE or HDP packages on the image, it starts downloading them from Hortonworks mirror | 18:57 |
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| ylobankov_ | mattf: ok | 18:57 |
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| elmiko | dmitryme: yea, according to the hwx guys they were installed | 18:57 |
| dmitryme | elmiko: maybe different version of packages? | 18:58 |
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| aignatov | let's move to the #openstack-sahara channel | 18:59 |
| mattf | thanks folks! | 18:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thanks all! | 18:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 10 18:59:59 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-04-10-18.05.html | 19:00 |
| aignatov | thx | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-04-10-18.05.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-04-10-18.05.log.html | 19:00 |
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| mestery | Hello GBP folk! | 19:00 |
| s3wong | Hello | 19:00 |
| mestery | #startmeeting networking_policy | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 10 19:00:39 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 19:00 |
| hemanthravi | hi | 19:00 |
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| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron_Group_Policy#April_10.2C_2014 Agenda | 19:00 |
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| rkukura | hi | 19:01 |
| banix | hi | 19:01 |
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| mestery | SumitNaiksatam mandeep: ping | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hi all | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: hi | 19:01 |
| rms_13 | hellos | 19:01 |
| mestery | So, per the agenda, lets focus on PoC updates. | 19:02 |
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| mestery | #topic PoC Status Updates | 19:02 |
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| mestery | Per SumitNaiksatam, there were some discussions ongoing this past week around this. | 19:02 |
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| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: Do you want to update? | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: yeah sure | 19:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so, we had discussions on two fronts | 19:03 |
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| nbouthors | hi | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | one on the actual implementation for the PoC, and how to split the work | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | second, on issues with the model itself mostly pertaining to things we have outlined in the PoC use case but having problems with representing in the current model | 19:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | on the first one, i personally made some more progress on the implementation of the model we have discussed to datee | 19:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | fixing issues, and UTs | 19:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | with inputs from banix | 19:05 |
| mestery | Nice work SumitNaiksatam! | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | also, rkukura and s3wong have been trying to hash out the policy enforcement | 19:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | they can update more on that | 19:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | on the second part (that is the policy model), we had expected to have a crystallized model by now | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | however, we are fixing it as we go along based on the validation with the use case | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so the service redirection part is not completely baked yet | 19:06 |
| mestery | That makes sense SumitNaiksatam. | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | happy to answer more questions on this, but thats the high level | 19:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | will hand over to rkukura s3wong and banix | 19:07 |
| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam: working on cli based on current model, should have an initial version fri | 19:07 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: yeah, let's implement PoC based on the current model | 19:07 |
| mestery | Thanks hemanthravi! | 19:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: oh sweet | 19:08 |
| rkukura | I don’t have much to report - just synching with SumitNaiksatam’s latest branch, making sure UTs run, etc. | 19:08 |
| rkukura | s3wong and I started talking about how to divvy up work | 19:08 |
| banix | hemanthravi: great; may need some changes as they come up needless to say :) | 19:08 |
| hemanthravi | can i push my branch onto github | 19:08 |
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| hemanthravi | banix: ok | 19:08 |
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| s3wong | Yes, rkukura and I had preliminary division of work (high level) on the policy enforcement bit | 19:09 |
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| mestery | Thanks s3wong and rkukura. | 19:09 |
| mestery | So, it looks like things are progressing for the PoC at this point. | 19:09 |
| mandeep | mestery: Yes, SumitNaiksatam has done a great job getting the plugin started | 19:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: yes, you should be able to | 19:10 |
| mestery | mandeep: +1 to that1 | 19:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: https://github.com/noironetworks/python-neutronclient/tree/group-policy | 19:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: did you face any issues? | 19:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep mestery: thanks | 19:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | long way to go | 19:11 |
| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam: haven't tried it..working off of https://github.com/noironetworks/python-neutronclient/ | 19:12 |
| mestery | OK, any other PoC updates from anyone? | 19:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: ok | 19:12 |
| hemanthravi | and neutron from https://github.com/noironetworks/neutron-group-policy/tree/sumit/pm | 19:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: in parallel we were also having discussions on the services’ part | 19:13 |
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| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: Yes, I had that as an item as well with regards to getting an update. | 19:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | that is not an easy problem to solve | 19:13 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam :) | 19:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: ok sure we can deal it as part of the agenda | 19:13 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: No, please, lets discuss now, I just meant I had it there as part of our smaller agenda today :) | 19:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: ok sure | 19:14 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: It is however a goal of the PoC to 'redirect' to a firewall service, so at least we should iron out that soon | 19:14 |
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| banix | SumitNaiksatam: yes, that would be a piece we really need but have to somehow make our progress independent of that as we are trying to do | 19:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: yeah i agree | 19:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong banix: the current thinking, from a policy perspective is to treat the service or chain as a black box | 19:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | it has some inputs and some outputs | 19:15 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: yeah makes sense | 19:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | which could be neutron ports | 19:15 |
| mestery | +1 SumitNaiksatam | 19:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we can then incorporate this black box into the policy model | 19:16 |
| mandeep | banix: s3wong: Also, as service lifecycle and discovery are not defined well at this point, there are a lot of assumptions that we will need to make about it | 19:16 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: are we still redirecting to a contract scope? | 19:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: yeah just about to say that | 19:16 |
| s3wong | mandeep: no doubt :-) | 19:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | one way of doing that would be treating those neutron ports and endpoints, putting them EPGs and putting a contract around it | 19:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we also have to pay attention to the separation of roles here | 19:17 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so the “network admin” guy is the one who probably creates the network service/chains | 19:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and he does not necessarliy need to know about the contract | 19:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | he can create the service | 19:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and we can orchestrate the tie in to the policy model (including the creation of the EPG, contract, etc) | 19:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the consumer in the policy world sees the contract of the service now | 19:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so s3wong yeah, the current proposal is that redirection can happen to that contract, via the contract_scope | 19:19 |
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| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: there is a possibility that we won't have 'label' for PoC though | 19:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | what happens in the black box is in the realm of the services’ discussion in neutron | 19:20 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: why the network admin guy? thinking policies across tenants? | 19:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: yes sure | 19:20 |
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| mandeep | s3wong: That is the machinery to allow us to reason about it, but in the common case of redirect to a service it will be "transparent" to the user | 19:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: just giving an example that the network services management language is different from the policy | 19:20 |
| rms_13 | does a service plugin needs to be involved? | 19:21 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: ok | 19:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: policy plugin will leverage service plugin as a library | 19:21 |
| rms_13 | ok and the service plugin is going to play interface into that "black box" | 19:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | or rather thats the proposal for the PoC | 19:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: if its a single service, yes | 19:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: if its a chain, then the service plugin for a chain does not exist | 19:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: actually chain does not exist in neutron :-) | 19:22 |
| rms_13 | ok, how do we handle that than? Onus is on controller? | 19:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: there is no controller assumption here | 19:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | for the PoC i mean | 19:24 |
| rms_13 | got it | 19:24 |
| mandeep | rms_13: The policy identifies what is valid, the implementation decides how to make that happen. For us to use chains, the implementation will have to do chaining first. | 19:24 |
| mandeep | rms_13: And the current neutron does not have an implementation for it | 19:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: sorry missed your earlier point on the label | 19:25 |
| rms_13 | I understand that. I was not sure where we are putting intellegence to do it. | 19:25 |
| rms_13 | plugin or its driver or controller | 19:25 |
| s3wong | SunitNaiksatam: it is OK, mandeep commented on it above :-) | 19:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: cool | 19:26 |
| mandeep | rms_13: For now we are working on balckbox service (for the PoC), so have punted on that for next couple of weeks ;-) | 19:26 |
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| rms_13 | :), perfect | 19:27 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: for what I need to do in PoC, I just want to know that user will definitely 'redirect' to a contract scope; thus I need to render it to something | 19:27 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: so I just want to make sure the current model still holds, even in the case where there isn't yet a concept of 'label' during PoC | 19:27 |
| mandeep | s3wong: Yes, that looks right | 19:28 |
| s3wong | mandeep: cool | 19:28 |
| mestery | OK, lots of good discussions here. | 19:30 |
| mestery | Anything else PoC related to discuss? Otherwise, that's all I had on the agenda at the moment. | 19:30 |
| mestery | :) | 19:30 |
| banix | If you consider the policy along with all the required pieces on the services side, it seems to me if (when :)) we pull this off it will be a monumental task that can make a significant shift in how we do networks. Am I being carried away here or you feel the same way? | 19:30 |
| * s3wong thinks mestery wants to once again end the meeting early | 19:30 | |
| mestery | s3wong: :P | 19:30 |
| mestery | s3wong: Just noticed 2 minutes of silence there :) | 19:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: :-) | 19:31 |
| * mestery thinks banix is waxing philosophical. :) | 19:31 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: that sounded like a drum roll :-) | 19:31 |
| s3wong | banix: we are changing the world (starting by changing Neutron, which is already tough) | 19:31 |
| banix | :) | 19:31 |
| mandeep | banix: If we can move the networking to a more declarative devops model, yes I think that will be a welcome change | 19:31 |
| mestery | +1 to change! | 19:31 |
| rms_13 | +1 to change! | 19:32 |
| banix | mandeep: now that is a more measured declaration | 19:32 |
| mandeep | ;-) | 19:32 |
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| rms_13 | Would like to play devil's advocate here; Since we are abstracting the hack out of network constructs :), will community argue that neutron is not a place for you!? | 19:32 |
| s3wong | mandeep: so in declarative term, we are trying to change networking (defining goal and behavior). How to do it is up to us :-) | 19:32 |
| banix | rms_13: yes they will; parts of the community that is | 19:33 |
| banix | that was mentioned during the sumit in Hong Kong | 19:33 |
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| mandeep | rms_13: That looks good in abstract, but when you get to specifics there are things that belong with how networking is implemented (hence Neutron) and things that should be at a higher governance model | 19:34 |
| mestery | rms_13: I think it's fair to say that starting with networking is a good idea. | 19:34 |
| s3wong | banix: absolutely. There was definitely a lot of resistance during the I-Summit. But I do feel the mindset has changed a lot since then | 19:34 |
| banix | and I think the other side of the coin is if this proves valuable shouln't we get away from the current model | 19:34 |
| mestery | banix: Current model being networks/subnets/ports etc.? | 19:35 |
| banix | mestery: yes | 19:35 |
| mestery | banix: If so, yes, I think there is much interest in moving past those constructs in the community. | 19:35 |
| mandeep | By using an interception model for current interface, we can make that transition incremental. Otherwise, we will not be able to convince anyone | 19:35 |
| mestery | I've spoken with many who are on board with something like that. | 19:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think we are mixing two things here | 19:35 |
| mestery | mandeep: +1 | 19:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there are users in different roles | 19:36 |
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| rms_13 | banix: I think its better to cover the whole spactrum (eventually fixing the other end which is broken) | 19:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the group policy model is for the consumption of the “app” user | 19:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there is a place for the elemental neutron network constructs too | 19:36 |
| rms_13 | +1 | 19:36 |
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| rms_13 | Just that it requires repairs | 19:37 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: Agreed, I was trying to convey that there are deployers who have expressed interest in using the GBP model in Neutron. :) | 19:37 |
| banix | Yes we are not advocating abondoning the current model | 19:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: exactly | 19:37 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: and this is to address that | 19:37 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: +1 | 19:37 |
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| s3wong | mestery: speaking of networking first - I remember a month or so ago you were going to have someone from Nova joining us and talk about compute scheduling policy | 19:38 |
| banix | but as we prepare for the summit we need to have answers for that type of question | 19:38 |
| rms_13 | s3wong: thanks for bringing that up | 19:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: agreed | 19:38 |
| mestery | s3wong: Yes, that person disappeared after announcing some interest, let me reach out again and see if there is still interest there. | 19:38 |
| s3wong | is there still interest with Nova side to exchange knowledge on our respective policy models? | 19:39 |
| s3wong | mestery: cool | 19:39 |
| banix | mestery: s3wong yeah there have been some work on that side on policies and groups | 19:39 |
| banix | it would be good to know more; also work and proposals on the Heat side that we need to be aware of | 19:39 |
| s3wong | banix: absolutely. That would be great | 19:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | probably the discussion with the nova folks will be easier once we have the PoC | 19:40 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | that makes is a little more concrete for people to understand | 19:40 |
| rms_13 | I am not sure about our strategy on communication with Nova here with gbp. | 19:40 |
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| rms_13 | They require network info in specific form and our abstraction might be forced to provide it | 19:40 |
| rms_13 | But will that be a good design? | 19:41 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: it would be easier to communicate with the rest of the Neutron community too with a PoC :-) | 19:41 |
| banix | another fron that we were hoping to get more input from experts wa QoS | 19:41 |
| rms_13 | If I am off the topic; punt it for later please | 19:41 |
| mestery | rms_13: Nova/Neutron interfaces have a history, but agreed, this will necessitate bringing nova folks on board. | 19:41 |
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| banix | now we are not focused on QoS right now but we have to keep that "action" in mind | 19:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: yes sure :-) i think we got the work cut out on that front | 19:41 |
| s3wong | banix: yes, good point. We should reach out to Sean to meet with him during the J-Summit | 19:41 |
| mestery | rms_13: As SumitNaiksatam said, once we have the PoC, that will be easier to explain | 19:41 |
| rms_13 | mestery: ok | 19:42 |
| rms_13 | 2 min of silence :) | 19:43 |
| banix | s3wong: sounds good | 19:43 |
| s3wong | mestery: definitely going radio silence now... | 19:43 |
| mestery | s3wong: :P | 19:43 |
| mestery | OK, should we wrap things up for this week? | 19:44 |
| rms_13 | +! | 19:44 |
| s3wong | +1 | 19:44 |
| banix | yes! | 19:44 |
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| mestery | OK, thanks folks! We'll talk to you all next week and in the ML/IRC! | 19:44 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 19:44 |
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| s3wong | Thanks! | 19:44 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 10 19:44:49 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:44 |
| banix | thanks evrybody | 19:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-04-10-19.00.html | 19:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-04-10-19.00.txt | 19:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-04-10-19.00.log.html | 19:44 |
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| banix | thanks SumitNaiksatam for the hard work! | 19:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: thanks for the acknowledgment, nice team work | 19:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye all! | 19:45 |
| s3wong | bye! | 19:46 |
| rkukura | bye | 19:46 |
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