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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 6 00:00:03 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is stevebaker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 00:00 |
| stevebaker | #topic rollcall | 00:00 |
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| asalkeld | o/ | 00:00 |
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| mspreitz | o/ | 00:00 |
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| stevebaker | spzala: hey, mind if we add the template conversion tool to the agenda? | 00:01 |
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| spzala | stevebaker: not at all :-) | 00:01 |
| tango | o/ | 00:01 |
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| zaneb | I'm awake | 00:02 |
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| sdake | o/ | 00:02 |
| liang | hi | 00:02 |
| stevebaker | liang: hi! | 00:03 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker, also wouldn't mind gauging peoples enthusiasm for an image building plugin | 00:03 |
| liang | stevebaker, hi ;) I got messed up with the schedule last time after coming back from holiday. | 00:04 |
| stevebaker | SpamapS: about? | 00:04 |
| stevebaker | #topic Review last meeting's actions | 00:04 |
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| stevebaker | asalkeld: I've added that | 00:04 |
| asalkeld | cool | 00:04 |
| stevebaker | no actions | 00:04 |
| stevebaker | #topic Adding items to the agenda | 00:05 |
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| stevebaker | anything else to add to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282014-3-6_0000_UTC.29 ? | 00:05 |
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| stevebaker | #topic Feature Freeze Extensions | 00:06 |
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| stevebaker | icehouse-3 has been branched, this is what we got in. Well done everybody | 00:06 |
| stevebaker | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/icehouse-3 | 00:07 |
| SpamapS | o/ | 00:07 |
| stevebaker | I see this critical didn't make it in https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1287980 | 00:07 |
| stevebaker | ttx: any chance https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1287980 can be added to i-3 once it lands? | 00:07 |
| stevebaker | There are 4 blueprints which didn't land in time. I'd like to go through each one to check we should be going for a FFE for all of them | 00:09 |
| stevebaker | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/icehouse-rc1 | 00:09 |
| stevebaker | first up is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/function-plugins | 00:09 |
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| zaneb | gate is running on those right now | 00:09 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: there seems to be a bit in the merge queue | 00:09 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: there are other un-approved changes in that series. Would you say they are part of that blueprint? | 00:10 |
| zaneb | let's say that they are | 00:10 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: which seems to have morphed into a allthethings-plugins ;) | 00:10 |
| zaneb | indeed | 00:10 |
| zaneb | the function thing is only really interesting in the context of allthethings | 00:11 |
| stevebaker | there doesn't seem much left, I assume there are no objections to us committing to review these in the next hours/days? | 00:11 |
| zaneb | there's only 2 that haven't been approved | 00:11 |
| zaneb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/77754/ | 00:12 |
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| zaneb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/77755/ | 00:12 |
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| stevebaker | #agreed https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/function-plugins reviews will be complete in hours or days | 00:12 |
| stevebaker | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/instance-users | 00:12 |
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| stevebaker | so this is high risk and has already broken things downstream, but it delivers a critical feature so seems worth the pain | 00:13 |
| stevebaker | anyone object to giving these reviews a high priority over the next days? https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/heat+branch:master+topic:bug/1089261,n,z | 00:14 |
| zaneb | +1 | 00:15 |
| stevebaker | I'll take that as a no | 00:15 |
| stevebaker | #agreed https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/instance-users to be reviewed over the next days | 00:16 |
| stevebaker | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/hot-software-config | 00:16 |
| stevebaker | remaining reviews are here https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/heat+branch:master+topic:bp/hot-software-config,n,z | 00:16 |
| stevebaker | this is all shiny, new and self-contained. So I doubt anybody else has tried this stuff yet | 00:17 |
| stevebaker | I expect there will be bug fixes throughout feature freeze | 00:18 |
| zaneb | it's not going to hurt anyone who isn't specifically using it, I assume | 00:18 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: correct, minor chance of regression in OS::Nova::Server | 00:19 |
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| zaneb | pffft | 00:19 |
| liang | that is cool. I took a look at that, but haven't got time to really look into the detail | 00:20 |
| stevebaker | #agreed https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/hot-software-config to be reviewed over the next days | 00:20 |
| stevebaker | and finally https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/oslo-messaging | 00:20 |
| stevebaker | the nature of the beast, its mostly in one uber-commit https://review.openstack.org/#/c/72798/ | 00:21 |
| zaneb | yikes, it would take an hour just to review that commit message | 00:22 |
| sdake | ;-) | 00:22 |
| sdake | I did that as a pointer to how to actually review the change ;) | 00:23 |
| stevebaker | probably a medium risk of regressions | 00:23 |
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| stevebaker | this is the one blueprint that ttx is reluctant to give an FFE on, so all I'm asking for here is to get some committment to giving it some reviews | 00:23 |
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| zaneb | sdake: is this change something that has immediate benefit, or is it just long-term architectural tidy-up? | 00:24 |
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| sdake | I sent a message to stevebaker with the advantages | 00:24 |
| sdake | I'll cut and paste sec | 00:24 |
| stevebaker | sdake: race you | 00:24 |
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| sdake | 1. oslo-incubator/rpc is only maintained on a best effort basis. No new features go into oslo-incubator/rpc | 00:25 |
| sdake | 2. oslo.messaging has far superior test coverage vs oslo-incubator. Over time new test cases will go into oslo.messaging but no new test cases will go into oslo-incubator/rpc. | 00:25 |
| sdake | 3. I believe, but am not certain, that oslo-incubator/rpc->oslo.messaging (the actual oslo part, not our implementation specifically) may break on-wire compatibility over AMQP. If we are going to break the on-wire compatibility, it is better to do it now since heat is not in wide deployment and I expect atleast for RHT customers, Juno Heat will be widely deployed. If we wait to Juno, RHT customers will be negatively impacted. | 00:25 |
| stevebaker | http://paste.openstack.org/show/72731/ | 00:25 |
| sdake | 4. oslo.messaging has a far larger community of developers that support and maintain the code then oslo-incubator/rpc. The oslo-incubator crew seem uninterested in maintaining oslo-incubator/rpc. | 00:25 |
| sdake | 5. oslo-incubator/notifications is incompatible with oslo.messaging/notifications on the wire (I am certain of this) - creating further upgrade problems later on | 00:25 |
| sdake | 6. oslo.messaging allows easy migration to new messaging systems by the addition of new transport drivers to oslo.messaging. This is not possible with oslo-incubator/rpc since new driver development only happens in oslo.messaging. | 00:25 |
| SpamapS | oslo.messaging doesn't spew deprecated amqp messages into the log too. | 00:26 |
| stevebaker | personally I think its worth getting this in early rc1 | 00:26 |
| asalkeld | messaging could support trullius | 00:26 |
| asalkeld | help move to py3 | 00:26 |
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| sdake | i'm almost ready to go | 00:27 |
| stevebaker | sdake: how are those last tests going? | 00:27 |
| sdake | working on the config generator atm (which is broken in master) | 00:27 |
| sdake | after that, I'm going to tackle the test cases | 00:27 |
| sdake | the config generator is causing the gate to fail, so I need to sort thatout first | 00:27 |
| radix | sorry to interrupt, but I've gotta take off, I just want to mention I'm testing the new AS resources a bit harder over the next week (and thanks for all the reviews) | 00:27 |
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| zaneb | stevebaker: I'm remaining sceptical until I have reviewed the megapatch | 00:27 |
| sdake | zaneb feel free to review now | 00:28 |
| sdake | I'd apprecate it | 00:28 |
| zaneb | yeah, on my list for tomorrow | 00:28 |
| sdake | there are about 7 tests commented out which clearly needs addressing | 00:28 |
| sdake | other then that, I think its ready to rock | 00:28 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: Yep, I won't say we'll land it, I'll say we'll review it | 00:28 |
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| stevebaker | #agreed https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/oslo-messaging will be reviewed over the next days | 00:29 |
| stevebaker | radix: hai bai | 00:29 |
| stevebaker | #topic update failure recovery | 00:29 |
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| stevebaker | SpamapS: can you give us an update on your journal change? | 00:30 |
| SpamapS | Yes | 00:31 |
| SpamapS | so I have a set of changes in progress to record which resources have been processed in an update... | 00:31 |
| SpamapS | this is an attempt at a non-invasive resumable update | 00:31 |
| SpamapS | it is at the point where it records the things that have been done properly in a table.. | 00:32 |
| SpamapS | but it still does not use that information yet to fast-forward through the update to the actual failed spot | 00:32 |
| SpamapS | I have been distracted with the tripleo sprint.. where I've spent much of the time dealing with the recent change to heat to require keystone domains. | 00:32 |
| zaneb | SpamapS: how is this journal table different to the events table? | 00:32 |
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| SpamapS | which will hopefully get through the gate in the next 30 minutes | 00:33 |
| SpamapS | zaneb: it is cleared after a successful update, and it is built to have lookups done by resource, which the events table is not built for | 00:33 |
| zaneb | interesting | 00:34 |
| SpamapS | zaneb: it is entirely possible events could be used | 00:34 |
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| SpamapS | zaneb: I made a shallow attempt at that before pushing toward a specific journal table. | 00:34 |
| SpamapS | the intention of this is to allow fixing the "can't resume stacks" bug without major surgery, so that we can reasonably merge this post freeze.. | 00:36 |
| stevebaker | SpamapS: so we're in feature freeze now. Could you justify this change as being a bug fix? | 00:36 |
| SpamapS | long term we should do the right thing and record the actual state as we do an update ,and resume fully. | 00:36 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: IMO it is a bug fix, but I can accept that others will argue it is a feature. | 00:36 |
| SpamapS | I don't actually care, I just want to use Heat for managing large stacks over long periods of time without having to run a fork. | 00:37 |
| stevebaker | yes, I'd like to avoid that too | 00:37 |
| zaneb | SpamapS: so you're saying just the journal stuff is to be merged now? | 00:38 |
| zaneb | and the rest after the Juno thaw? | 00:38 |
| zaneb | or am I misreading? | 00:38 |
| SpamapS | just the journal and the resume using the journal | 00:39 |
| zaneb | ah, ok | 00:39 |
| SpamapS | but then Juno, we rip that out and replace it with a full stateful update and resume. | 00:39 |
| zaneb | understood | 00:39 |
| SpamapS | because this carries problems | 00:39 |
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| SpamapS | such as the fact that it won't really work if your new template doesn't have the same resources _before_ the fail. | 00:40 |
| SpamapS | because we're just going to skip the things we've done.. we're not going to have something to diff with | 00:40 |
| SpamapS | but I can accept that, as that will still be useful for recovering updates. | 00:40 |
| SpamapS | anyway, I haven't finished the code yet.. | 00:41 |
| SpamapS | but I expect it by Friday | 00:42 |
| stevebaker | I'm happy to treat this as a bug fix | 00:42 |
| SpamapS | my other missing feature is graceful updates using a pre-action-notification-thing .. but I can reasonably do that in a plugin until we get a good implementation in Heat | 00:42 |
| stevebaker | SpamapS: can you elaborate on that a bit? | 00:43 |
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| SpamapS | in tripleo, we want to migrate instances off compute nodes before we rebuild them | 00:44 |
| SpamapS | I can just write an OS::Nova::Server subclass plugin that does that | 00:44 |
| SpamapS | until we have something more awesomer | 00:44 |
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| stevebaker | SpamapS: you can have a SoftwareDeployment which runs its config in DELETE (or any other combination of actions) | 00:45 |
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| sdake | so that handles server quiesing stevebaker? | 00:45 |
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| stevebaker | sdake: that was the intent | 00:45 |
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| stevebaker | anyway, 14 minutes left | 00:46 |
| stevebaker | #topic TOSCA HOT conversion tool | 00:46 |
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| SpamapS | stevebaker: DELETE is not the problem, rebuild is. | 00:47 |
| stevebaker | spzala: could you post a couple of links related to the tool | 00:47 |
| spzala | Sure | 00:47 |
| liang | SpamapS, that does also mean we can do some customized work after a instance is deleted from a instance group? | 00:47 |
| spzala | stackforge project is created and approved - https://github.com/stackforge/heat-translator | 00:47 |
| stevebaker | SpamapS: ah, I understand. let me think about that one | 00:48 |
| SpamapS | liang: yes that is part of it too. | 00:48 |
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| spzala | and https://github.com/spzala/heat-translator | 00:48 |
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| sdake | spzala that will only be able to handle a subset of tosca, correct? | 00:48 |
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| stevebaker | spzala: it would be nice if you could use https://github.com/openstack-dev/cookiecutter to build a standard project layout | 00:48 |
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| spzala | per the next step on new stackforge project instructions, I still need to work on setting up initial review requests and I will be doing it soon. Code not yet ready for review. ( first code drop is there on modelling but it's a work in progress) | 00:48 |
| spzala | sdake: for now, yes that's correct | 00:49 |
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| sdake | spzala go ahead and get your work in progress into the queue so people can look at it | 00:49 |
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| spzala | stevebaker: oh.. sorry, didn't know about it. Yup, will do. | 00:49 |
| sdake | otherwise one big code drop = suboptimal :) | 00:49 |
| asalkeld | nice spzala | 00:49 |
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| liang | SpamapS, That's great. thanks! | 00:49 |
| spzala | asalkeld: thanks! :-) | 00:49 |
| spzala | sdake: :-) will do | 00:50 |
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| stevebaker | I'd like this tool to eventually not just do TOSCA<->HOT | 00:50 |
| spzala | stevebaker: agree, that's how trying to design it. | 00:50 |
| stevebaker | a real basic cfn->HOT would be nice | 00:50 |
| spzala | sdake: tosca yaml specs is in progress but getting close to finalize for the first working draft so it's not a blocker now. | 00:50 |
| zaneb | spzala: have you been following the Murano incubation thread on openstack-dev? | 00:50 |
| zaneb | really interesting | 00:50 |
| asalkeld | ooo, yeah and remove cfn from heat | 00:50 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: have you been doing some tosca stuff? | 00:51 |
| asalkeld | is it going to have api endpoints too? | 00:51 |
| spzala | zaneb: yes, I am. I did have some discussion with tspatzier and I did see his few replies on that thread | 00:51 |
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| spzala | asalkeld: :-) | 00:51 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: at this point its just a cli and lib. Maybe eventually we can put it in a heat service | 00:51 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: I joined the TOSCA TC. Mostly just keeping lines of communication open at this stage | 00:51 |
| spzala | asalkeld: no api endpoint thought for now | 00:52 |
| asalkeld | k | 00:52 |
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| stevebaker | zaneb: you've come a long way ;) | 00:52 |
| spzala | zaneb: yup it was great to see you on those calls | 00:52 |
| asalkeld | so are we putting murano in heat-translate? | 00:52 |
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| spzala | zaneb: everyone on the TC liked it too | 00:52 |
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| zaneb | asalkeld: I think we should :) | 00:53 |
| spzala | asalkeld: lol | 00:53 |
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| asalkeld | saying that, we could put a part of solum there | 00:53 |
| asalkeld | kinda | 00:54 |
| stevebaker | anyway, thats all I wanted to say. except that we should eventually consider bringing heat-translator into openstack and heat-core instead of stackforge | 00:54 |
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| spzala | stevebaker: thanks! | 00:54 |
| stevebaker | #topic image building plugin | 00:54 |
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| asalkeld | in generral I think we should make a mega openstack program with murano heat and solum | 00:54 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: go! | 00:55 |
| zaneb | asalkeld++ | 00:55 |
| asalkeld | ok, so in solum we are making a image building service | 00:55 |
| sdake | might as well throw in workflow at the same time | 00:55 |
| mspreitz | what would it do? | 00:55 |
| asalkeld | would people be interested in a heat pluging | 00:55 |
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| asalkeld | so it could expose a tripelo element | 00:55 |
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| asalkeld | and you post a base image glance id | 00:56 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: that has always sounded like a workflow thing, not a Heat thing to me | 00:56 |
| asalkeld | and the link to a git repo | 00:56 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: so it would spin up a compute and run diskimage-builder in it, then post to glance? | 00:56 |
| Slower | massive is a good word for it.. :) | 00:56 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker, something like that | 00:56 |
| asalkeld | so we need to convert app code into images | 00:57 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: how about it goes into contrib at first? | 00:57 |
| asalkeld | the question is does any one else need such a thing | 00:57 |
| sdake | seems like whatis needed is an actual imagebuilding service | 00:57 |
| asalkeld | that is what we are doing | 00:57 |
| sdake | rather then heat dealing with that - we end up in same situation as we have with autoscaling atm | 00:57 |
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| asalkeld | sdake, ^ | 00:57 |
| sdake | asalkeld soyou mean a solum plugin to said image building service | 00:58 |
| asalkeld | yeah | 00:58 |
| stevebaker | sdake: maybe we should be the home of that service though. nobody else wants it | 00:58 |
| sdake | seems fine to me, we put all kinds of shit in contrib | 00:58 |
| sdake | soudns like solum wants it | 00:58 |
| zaneb | we have a workflow library (taskflow), a workflow service (mistral), a workflow orchestration thing (murano)... let's not put workflow resources into Heat. It just fragments things further | 00:58 |
| asalkeld | zaneb, it's a resource to customize an imaeg | 00:59 |
| Slower | sounds like aeolus | 00:59 |
| asalkeld | a better version of software config | 00:59 |
| asalkeld | :) | 00:59 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: customising an image is an action, not a thing | 00:59 |
| asalkeld | so is installing software | 00:59 |
| asalkeld | your point? | 01:00 |
| sdake | agree | 01:00 |
| mspreitz | disagree | 01:00 |
| sdake | we ahve some workflow features in heat already | 01:00 |
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| mspreitz | a software deployment declares deployed software | 01:00 |
| zaneb | we don't have a software installer resource. we have a software config resource | 01:00 |
| zaneb | first would be an action, second is a thing | 01:00 |
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| asalkeld | zaneb, the resource it the element/ url to that | 01:01 |
| asalkeld | no difference | 01:01 |
| Slower | I don't think we got super far with the actual image customization | 01:01 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: my point is that there are logical ways to accomplish this in both Mistral and Murano | 01:01 |
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| asalkeld | er, no | 01:01 |
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| zaneb | shoehorning it into Heat is IMHO a mistake | 01:01 |
| * mspreitz has to go but hopes Zanes talks sense into the rest of you | 01:01 | |
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| zaneb | we're clearly desperately missing a workflow service | 01:02 |
| asalkeld | ok, my suggestion was not to put the service in heat | 01:02 |
| Slower | http://blog.aeolusproject.org/building-openstack-images-with-image-factory/ | 01:02 |
| spzala | stevebaker: seems like this will be a looooong meeting :-) | 01:02 |
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| zaneb | IMO we need to get our story straight around workflows across all of OpenStack | 01:02 |
| asalkeld | only if you want a plugin | 01:02 |
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| stevebaker | alright, lets move to #heat | 01:02 |
| Slower | zaneb: agreed | 01:02 |
| stevebaker | #endmeeting | 01:02 |
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| asalkeld | Slower, I'll have a look | 01:02 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 6 01:02:46 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-03-06-00.00.html | 01:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-03-06-00.00.txt | 01:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-03-06-00.00.log.html | 01:02 |
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| mriedem | oh right | 14:00 |
| russellb | #startmeeting nova | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 6 14:00:57 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is russellb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:01 |
| russellb | o/ | 14:01 |
| mriedem | hi | 14:01 |
| n0ano | o/ | 14:01 |
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| russellb | #topic Icehouse | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Icehouse (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:01 | |
| russellb | feature freeze week! | 14:01 |
| russellb | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/icehouse-3 | 14:02 |
| russellb | icehouse-3 is out | 14:02 |
| russellb | 39 blueprints and 172 bugs | 14:02 |
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| russellb | focus now is on RC1 | 14:02 |
| russellb | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/icehouse-rc1 | 14:02 |
| russellb | there are 5 blueprints there. those are the ones that have been given an exception so far | 14:02 |
| russellb | there are a number of requests for FFEs on openstack-dev. most of them are blocking on nova-core sponsors | 14:03 |
| russellb | no point in approving an exception without reviewers ready to push the review to completion ASAP | 14:03 |
| russellb | in case you missed it, there's a ML post about FFE process: | 14:03 |
| russellb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-March/029021.html | 14:03 |
| russellb | also relevant, ttx wrote a nice blog post about why we do feature freeze | 14:04 |
| russellb | #link http://fnords.wordpress.com/2014/03/06/why-we-do-feature-freeze/ | 14:04 |
| mriedem | russellb: has that bug list been scrubbed? | 14:04 |
| ttx | Tl;Dr: we do FF because we care | 14:04 |
| russellb | ttx: :-) | 14:04 |
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| russellb | mriedem: i beleive it's the carry over from icehouse-3 | 14:04 |
| mriedem | yeah, that's what it looks like | 14:04 |
| mriedem | e.g. https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1240043 doesn't seem high prioirty given the v3 diagnostics bp dropped out | 14:05 |
| russellb | agreed | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: +1 | 14:05 |
| mriedem | i'll update it | 14:05 |
| russellb | we need to make the bug list our "blocking release of RC1" list ASAP | 14:05 |
| mriedem | yeah, that's why i was looking | 14:05 |
| russellb | anything that's "would be nice, but not worth blocking" should just be tagged with icehouse-rc-potential | 14:05 |
| russellb | and from past experience, we have to be diligent about maintaining this list | 14:06 |
| russellb | people will just target the whole world to it | 14:06 |
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| russellb | and it gets frustrating :-) | 14:06 |
| garyk | has the meeting started? | 14:06 |
| russellb | garyk: yes. | 14:06 |
| mriedem | but my very driver specifc thing needs to be in icehouse! | 14:06 |
| russellb | mriedem: critical priority? | 14:07 |
| mriedem | joking | 14:07 |
| russellb | So, that pretty much covers the overview of current status | 14:07 |
| russellb | with that, i'm happy to use the rest of the time to talk about specific FFE requests, or bugs | 14:07 |
| russellb | based on who's here and what you want to talk about | 14:07 |
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| garyk | russellb: thanks for the work on the instance groups | 14:09 |
| garyk | the api comments were addressed | 14:09 |
| garyk | the update method was removed. | 14:09 |
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| russellb | garyk: np ... they were? ok, i will review again asap then | 14:09 |
| russellb | i was pretty concerned | 14:09 |
| garyk | i am not sure if i like this one and was wodnering what you thought? | 14:09 |
| russellb | which one? | 14:09 |
| garyk | the fact that we support only one policy most probably makes sense | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | russellb: might be good to get feedback on the crazy scheme for Juno-1, but thats for the end of the meeting | 14:10 |
| garyk | johnthetubaguy: is that your proposal for the bps? | 14:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 14:10 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: yeah i replied on list | 14:10 |
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| garyk | i dont think that it was crazy. just sensible and trying to unblock the bottleneck | 14:10 |
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| russellb | johnthetubaguy: basically +1, kind of, with caveats that we can't guarantee anything ... but in general i think you're encouraging best practice | 14:11 |
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| garyk | i think that we should adopt it for all milestones | 14:11 |
| garyk | then will not be a crazy rush at the end. | 14:11 |
| russellb | i think there's a crazy rush most of the time, and then just insanity at the end | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | russellb: yep, the extra caveats are importing, I am +1 those | 14:12 |
| PhilD | :-) | 14:12 |
| garyk | that is, we should make sure we focus on certain bps in each milestone. then we can split the load across the release cycle instead of the last 2 days | 14:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | garyk: that is the plan, but often the code just isn't up for review before the last few weeks | 14:12 |
| russellb | there be dragons as you approach feature freeze | 14:13 |
| garyk | johnthetubaguy: i just think that if we indicated that if BP X had to be ready by milestone Y then it may solve the problem | 14:14 |
| russellb | so, we had this cool plan for icehouse that incorporated that idea | 14:14 |
| russellb | reviewers would sponsors BPs to commit to reviewing them, as long as it was ready for the cycle it was sponsored for | 14:14 |
| russellb | if it was late, priority dropped | 14:14 |
| russellb | and then, you know ... that totally fell apart because nobody sponsored anything :-) | 14:14 |
| russellb | hard to figure out the best thing that works | 14:15 |
| PhilD | Still feels to me that too often we are doing design reviews right up to the end of what should be implemenation reviews (i.e. BP gets approved, code goes through multiple review cycles (the first few of which settle the design issues) and then right at the end a new "approach" type issue is raised. Anything we can do to break that pattern would be good | 14:15 |
| russellb | +1 | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 | 14:15 |
| alaski | agreed. o/ btw | 14:16 |
| garyk | +1 | 14:16 |
| russellb | alaski: o/ | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | up front blueprint designs are better now, but we need to evolve that | 14:16 |
| alaski | For api bps, I think having a schema defined is a good start | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | now we use them for sure, I was OK with at least examples before, but thats probably a bit lax | 14:16 |
| garyk | most of the time the bps are very sparse when it comes to implementation details | 14:17 |
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| PhilD | Like more rigor in the BP stage, recognising that design reviewres and code reviewers aren't necessarily the same skill set, some non coders probably have a really useful role at the design review stage | 14:17 |
| garyk | i do not think that there is a bp that indicates a complete design from A - Z | 14:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so, in part they were blueprints that were approved a while ago, I plan to do a build un-approve soon... | 14:17 |
| russellb | i think if we're hurting bad enough in review bandwidth, we absolutely *can* afford to be a lot more strict on the blueprint approval side | 14:17 |
| garyk | if there was the review will be on the BP and not the code. | 14:17 |
| russellb | filter out more of the stuff higher up in the process, to ensure that when stuff makes it to code review it's closer | 14:18 |
| PhilD | Well that's a problem in the BP - there should be a minimum set of detail required, Sometimes seems that the BP just gets rasied as a reason for posting the code | 14:18 |
| alaski | I don't think we can expect all blueprints to have a complete design | 14:18 |
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| russellb | alaski: indeed ... case by case | 14:18 |
| alaski | what I typically look for is a clear scope, so it's clear when the blueprint can be considered done | 14:18 |
| russellb | alaski: but we should at least be able to bless a direction, maybe we need a 2 stage blueprint review | 14:18 |
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| russellb | "yes we like the tasks concept, now come back for stage 2 review with an API design" | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | russellb: two stage? | 14:18 |
| russellb | for example | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah got you | 14:19 |
| alaski | russellb: makes sense | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | direction then detail I guess? | 14:19 |
| russellb | yeah, perhaps | 14:19 |
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| russellb | just thinking out loud | 14:19 |
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| russellb | "out loud" | 14:19 |
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| alaski | heh | 14:19 |
| russellb | not actually talking to myself :) | 14:19 |
| PhilD | @alaski I know some concepts are easier to understand once the basic code is there, but that's not an excuse really for a -2 on a design issue after months of work / refinement | 14:19 |
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| russellb | PhilD: yep, that's a process failure i think | 14:19 |
| russellb | not that we shouldn't -2 if it really is bad ... but ... we broke down if we let it make it that far | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 that shows a bad blueprint review | 14:20 |
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| alaski | PhilD: agreed. but the times I remember things like that happening is when the code creeps a bit beyond what the blueprint was understood to entail | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | one issue we have is tooling, thinking we might start using wiki pages so we can at least track history... | 14:20 |
| sdague | so what if we used gerrit for detailed blueprint review instead of launchpad? | 14:20 |
| sdague | like make a doc directory in Nova | 14:20 |
| sdague | for proposed blueprints | 14:21 |
| russellb | sdague: NEP, Nova Enhancement Proposal? :) | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: hmm, that could work... | 14:21 |
| garyk | maybe we should create a checklist for BP's. that is, we expect that the drafter of the BP fill in a certain template. then maybe we can encounter problematic issues before the review | 14:21 |
| russellb | quite interesting idea ... | 14:21 |
| PhilD | Right - if we really need to -2 code because it will break the system badly then we have to do that of course - but it still means we failed somewhere along the way and wasted a lot of someones effort | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | garyk: we have the review checklists already | 14:21 |
| sdague | then we'd get the benefits of the review process, could link it from the blueprint | 14:21 |
| russellb | garyk: we have that on the wiki ... https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprints | 14:21 |
| russellb | or that's the idea | 14:21 |
| alaski | as long as NEP8 can be something about style/hacking checks | 14:22 |
| russellb | hmmmm, so blueprints just a link to gerrit, and it's approved with the gerrit review is approved ... | 14:22 |
| sdague | :) | 14:22 |
| russellb | easier for people to participate | 14:22 |
| alaski | but I am intrigued by the idea | 14:22 |
| russellb | easier to track revisions | 14:22 |
| dripton | I think Nova having a different BP process than the rest of OpenStack would be an extra hurdle for people working on multiple projects. I don't see a ton of upside. | 14:22 |
| sdague | russellb: yeh, I think all the details would still need to be figured out | 14:22 |
| russellb | FWIW, we basically did this for the TC, we have an openstack/governance repo | 14:22 |
| russellb | and it works *really* well | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | a separate nova-bp repo might be good | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | russellb: cool | 14:23 |
| sdague | dripton: it's not really a different process | 14:23 |
| russellb | dripton: i think all projects have this problem, i think it's good to experiment with solutions. someone has to lead the way | 14:23 |
| russellb | i still think we'd use the blueprints system for status tracking | 14:23 |
| sdague | because there is no commonality on *how* blueprints get reviewed | 14:23 |
| russellb | right ... it's about the review side | 14:23 |
| PhilD | @sdague - that's part of the problem | 14:23 |
| sdague | PhilD: agreed, but the reason we have that problem is no ones found a system that works | 14:24 |
| russellb | and storyboard isn't coming out tomorrow | 14:24 |
| sdague | and gerrit is a really good tool for reviewing things | 14:24 |
| russellb | but even with that, we may still like gerrit on the review side, i dunno | 14:24 |
| russellb | sdague: i think we should take this idea to a wider audience | 14:24 |
| sdague | russellb: agreed | 14:25 |
| PaulMurray | russellb sdague: some problems come from bp in common areas - things change as we go | 14:25 |
| russellb | because if we want to try it for juno, we need to jump on it | 14:25 |
| PaulMurray | review a single bp is one thing | 14:25 |
| sdague | sure, you want to do that this week still, or not distract from FFE | 14:25 |
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| sdague | I can take some first pass on thsi | 14:25 |
| russellb | sdague: that would be excellent | 14:25 |
| PhilD | Maybe - I think the reason we still have the problem is that the code review is seen as the design review. That probably worked in the early days, and still works on the smaller projects. This is just a part of the project maturing | 14:25 |
| sdague | and get it on the list for discussion | 14:25 |
| russellb | sdague: and i think we should start it now, so we have time to imlpement it before juno reviews start | 14:26 |
| russellb | right now i feel like "why the heck haven't we considered this already" | 14:26 |
| sdague | sure, I'll look to get something on -dev tomorrow | 14:26 |
| russellb | ok | 14:26 |
| mriedem | this would have really helped with garyk's v3 diags blueprint since the design was in a wiki and comments were in the ML | 14:26 |
| russellb | i think we'd get a lot wider participation in reviews this way too | 14:26 |
| mriedem | which wasn't fun | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | PhilD: the blueprint is certainly where there is design review, but I don't feel we should stop that at the code review stage, just need to get better at the blueprint stage? | 14:27 |
| garyk | one of the issues with the bp is that the interface is terrible. | 14:28 |
| garyk | comments are hard to follow | 14:28 |
| russellb | heh, yes | 14:28 |
| russellb | gerrit would help that immensely | 14:28 |
| garyk | i have now started to write my name and the date with bp comments | 14:29 |
| garyk | in some blueprints i did not even get updates | 14:29 |
| PhilD | That wouls be good a start - I'd like to see some point in the code review though where we can say "the design is agreed and locked from here in", and it takes more that a single -2 to block it from that point (for example) | 14:29 |
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| PhilD | Maybe this is to do in part with sponsorship of the BPs | 14:29 |
| dripton | Maybe we need to make the BP approval deadline earlier in the cycle to force front-loading the design and design approval work? | 14:30 |
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| garyk | dripton: agreed | 14:30 |
| dripton | Of course, the only guarantee is that whatever the deadline is, there will be people clamoring for extensions the next day. | 14:30 |
| garyk | but there are N bps and M sponsors. problem is that N >> M. as a community we need to cide which BP's get preference | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | PhilD: not sure that feels right, feels too process heavy, and there are always exceptions | 14:30 |
| sdague | yeh, once we have different mechanics, we can figure out different process | 14:30 |
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| sdague | like when BP review would have to be approved by | 14:31 |
| sdague | etc | 14:31 |
| sdague | but I think this would move the ball forward | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: +1 | 14:31 |
| russellb | +2 | 14:31 |
| russellb | like, i want it today | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 14:31 |
| PhilD | Agree there has to be a balance here between process, but any new process always feels heavy compared to anachy ;-) | 14:31 |
| sdague | PhilD: we could all just Quake deathmatch for approvals :) | 14:32 |
| russellb | lol | 14:32 |
| russellb | old school | 14:32 |
| PhilD | We used to just send a gunship - that's what I consider old school | 14:32 |
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| russellb | #topic open discussion | 14:33 |
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| russellb | we're pretty far off of the "icehouse" topic now, heh | 14:33 |
| russellb | any other topics for today | 14:33 |
| russellb | ? | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | o/ | 14:33 |
| BobBall | o/ | 14:33 |
| russellb | woah now | 14:33 |
| russellb | go for it :) | 14:33 |
| PhilD | BTW Monty tells me this will all be a lot easier when we move to StoryBoard | 14:33 |
| BobBall | john got his hand up first :/ | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: that was for your topic :) | 14:34 |
| dripton | russellb: Has anyone volunteered to put your review stats code up on OpenStack hardware? | 14:34 |
| BobBall | oh haha | 14:34 |
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| russellb | dripton: no | 14:34 |
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| BobBall | yes - now that the XS CI has been running for a while, I wanted to know a) if there were any concerns that needed to be addressed for Icehouse | 14:34 |
| russellb | PhilD: yeah, but can't bank on futureware | 14:34 |
| dripton | I think I'll have to volunteer then. I think those stats were giving people a bit of a carrot and we need that. | 14:34 |
| russellb | BobBall: IMO, you're in the clear for Icehouse, just keep up the good work | 14:35 |
| russellb | dripton: should be easy enough to run locally | 14:35 |
| russellb | dripton: but that'd be great | 14:35 |
| russellb | it's a matter of some puppetizing | 14:35 |
| BobBall | In which case I'd ask b) what we need to do / show to suggest a vote to get voting +/-1 votes | 14:35 |
| russellb | BobBall: for that, vote when you're ready to vote | 14:35 |
| russellb | and if the votes suck, you'll get attacked by a mob | 14:36 |
| russellb | so make sure they don't suck | 14:36 |
| BobBall | We think we're ready, but the -infra team say that nova team need to vote and agree that the CI is stable enough! :) | 14:36 |
| russellb | no need to be formal, i think we want the votes when you feel it's ready | 14:36 |
| russellb | heh | 14:36 |
| russellb | ok, point me to a gerrit review or wheverever I need to ACK it | 14:36 |
| BobBall | Understood - will do. | 14:36 |
| russellb | probably a good gate for them to have | 14:36 |
| BobBall | That was easier than I thought! :) | 14:36 |
| sdague | russellb: there has been so much bad on the 3rd party on neutron, infra is conservative now | 14:36 |
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| russellb | sdague: that makes sense | 14:37 |
| russellb | sdague: any concerns here? | 14:37 |
| sdague | nope, it's seemed sane to me | 14:37 |
| russellb | i guess i like being able to ACK it in case bizarro CI wants to vote | 14:37 |
| sdague | yep | 14:37 |
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| BobBall | *nod* well thanks for the ACK - I'll request voting permissions by email and paste your IRC ACK ;) | 14:38 |
| russellb | heh that's fine | 14:38 |
| russellb | or CC me and I can reply | 14:38 |
| russellb | whatever is needed | 14:38 |
| BobBall | Thanks. | 14:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: thats for the work you an matel did on this, really good to see it working now | 14:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | lol, thanks^ | 14:39 |
| russellb | +1 | 14:39 |
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| russellb | any other topics? | 14:39 |
| russellb | alright then ... #openstack-nova always open for chatter if anything comes up | 14:40 |
| garyk | i have an icehouse installation at a local college where we are using openstack as a teaching tool :) | 14:40 |
| russellb | thanks everyone! | 14:40 |
| russellb | garyk: awesome | 14:40 |
| russellb | #endmeeting | 14:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 6 14:40:57 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-03-06-14.00.html | 14:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-03-06-14.00.txt | 14:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-03-06-14.00.log.html | 14:41 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 6 15:01:17 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:01 |
| bswartz | hello everyone | 15:01 |
| bswartz | is anybody here? | 15:01 |
| vponomaryov | hello | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | looks like low attendence today | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | thanks for joining vponomaryov! | 15:02 |
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| vponomaryov | Should we wait some time? | 15:02 |
| bill_az_ | Hi - | 15:03 |
| bswartz | yeah I don't have much of an agenda | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | the main issue for me is the NetApp driver is still stuck in review | 15:03 |
| bswartz | but we can also run through dev status for the benefit of those who read the minutes later on | 15:03 |
| bill_az_ | bswartz: I will take a look at that by end of the week | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | bill_az_: it's not that we need more reviews, we've reviewed the crap out of it | 15:04 |
| bswartz | the problem is that there are some unresolved changes to the code that's common between the netapp cinder driver and the netapp manila driver | 15:04 |
| bswartz | we want to achieve a long term solution to sharing that code and it's going slower than I'd hoped | 15:05 |
| vponomaryov | actually, it has been updated several minutes ago | 15:05 |
| bill_az_ | bswartz: ok- I'd still like to take a pass through it, and also through generic driver | 15:05 |
| bswartz | oh | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/59100/ | 15:05 |
| bswartz | that's the one I'm looking at | 15:06 |
| bill_az_ | I've been tied up with cinder lately, but will be shifting focus back to manila now | 15:06 |
| bswartz | hmm it looks like yportnova did a lot of work here | 15:06 |
| bswartz | yportnova: are you here? | 15:06 |
| yportnova | bswartz: we still need to wait until Navneet upload new patchset to cinder | 15:07 |
| yportnova | bswartz: I am here. hi! | 15:07 |
| bswartz | yportnova: okay thanks -- are your changes complete regarding the syncing of the api.py file? | 15:07 |
| yportnova | Yes, but waiting for fix to cinder | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | I don't think we should wait | 15:08 |
| bswartz | I'll do a review of the latest patches and give my comments | 15:08 |
| bswartz | s/patches/patchset/ | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | I've talked to a few companies that are looking to beta test manila | 15:09 |
| bswartz | there is interest in both the generic driver and the NetApp driver, so I want them both upstream where we can get some real testing | 15:09 |
| bswartz | and there are several other vendors who have expressed plans to have drivers ready before Atlanta | 15:10 |
| bswartz | so I'm happy to get those merged when they're ready | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | yportnova: anything else to discuss regarding the netapp driver? | 15:11 |
| yportnova | bswartz: Nothing | 15:11 |
| bswartz | bill_az_: can you remind us what state the IBM driver is in? | 15:11 |
| bswartz | or anyone else lurking who wants to talk about drivers before we go on? | 15:12 |
| bill_az_ | bswartz: We have had a proof of concept version of gpfs manila driver since late last year - the goal is to get this wrapped up and submitted by end of this month | 15:12 |
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| bill_az_ | single tenant only | 15:12 |
| bill_az_ | nfs only | 15:12 |
| bill_az_ | (ganesha or kernel nfs) | 15:12 |
| bswartz | ah okay | 15:12 |
| bswartz | bill_az_: is there a WIP on gerrit? | 15:12 |
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| bill_az_ | bswartz: I think there is a very early code drop but nothing recent | 15:13 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:13 |
| bswartz | if you make any progress feel free to put it up as a WIP so we can take a look at it before it's done | 15:14 |
| bswartz | #topic dev status | 15:14 |
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| vponomaryov | Dev status: | 15:14 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: do you want to give your normal update? | 15:14 |
| bill_az_ | bswartz: sure, I will do that | 15:14 |
| vponomaryov | 1) NetApp Cmode driver: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/59100/ | 15:14 |
| vponomaryov | Changes due to review issues has been implemented. Ready for review. | 15:14 |
| vponomaryov | 2) Devstack with generic driver: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74647/ | 15:14 |
| vponomaryov | Ready to review. Used processed ubuntu cloud image with nfs and cifs, that can run with 64mb RAM and without discs, its weight ~290 Mb. | 15:15 |
| vponomaryov | 3) Generic driver's modularity: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74154/ | 15:15 |
| vponomaryov | Changes due to review issues has been implemented. Ready for review. | 15:15 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: where can that image be obtained? | 15:15 |
| vponomaryov | link is present ingerrit commit | 15:15 |
| bswartz | okay good | 15:15 |
| bswartz | csaba: you here? | 15:16 |
| vponomaryov | link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/vi5oeh10q1qkckh/ubuntu_1204_nfs_cifs.qcow2 | 15:16 |
| bswartz | looks like he's AFK and not in channel | 15:16 |
| bswartz | alright, thanks vponomaryov | 15:17 |
| vponomaryov | this image works, but can be improved, so can be updated after a while | 15:17 |
| bswartz | yeah having something that works is the most important -- I'm looking forward to csaba's image as our longer-term solution | 15:17 |
| bswartz | so it looks like some reviews are needed | 15:18 |
| bswartz | for those that are wondering, the horizon support for manila is coming along too | 15:18 |
| bswartz | here is a preview | 15:19 |
| bswartz | #link https://github.com/NetApp/horizon/tree/manila | 15:19 |
| vponomaryov | Also, wanted to mention TODO list | 15:19 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:19 |
| vponomaryov | TODO: | 15:19 |
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| vponomaryov | 1) Make drivers (Generic, Cmode) use activation/deactivation API | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | 2) Update tempest to use activation of share-networks | 15:20 |
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| vponomaryov | 3) (generic driver) Change service instance connectivity directly to private subnet | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | 4) Update Horizon extension for Manila due to API changes, bugfixing | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | 5) Implement volume types server side | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | 6) Implement quota for activation of share-networks | 15:20 |
| bswartz | navneet: you here? | 15:20 |
| bswartz | yeah that's a lot of work to do before the conference | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | we will see about getting help from our side to get it all done | 15:21 |
| bswartz | okay I don't have anything else | 15:22 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:22 |
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| vponomaryov | First priority after merging of Cmode driver? | 15:22 |
| bswartz | Assuming there's nothing else I'll give you all back 35 minutes | 15:22 |
| bswartz | the cmode driver is top priority, then horizon | 15:23 |
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| bswartz | although your (1) and (2) TODO items looks pretty small | 15:23 |
| vponomaryov | but drivers does not use activation | 15:23 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: how much work is (1) and (2) | 15:23 |
| vponomaryov | no much work, if no blockers | 15:24 |
| bswartz | okay let's knock those out next as long as they're quick to do | 15:24 |
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| vponomaryov | Horizon depends on API, so it requires stable API | 15:25 |
| bswartz | okay grab me in #manila or PM me if you need anything, I think we're done | 15:25 |
| vponomaryov | ok | 15:25 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 6 15:25:37 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-03-06-15.01.html | 15:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-03-06-15.01.txt | 15:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-03-06-15.01.log.html | 15:25 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | oops. it was wrong channel ;) | 18:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | hey savanna folks! | 18:02 |
| ErikB | Hi Everyone | 18:02 |
| ylobankov | hello! | 18:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting savanna | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 6 18:02:57 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'savanna' | 18:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SavannaAgenda | 18:03 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News / updates (Meeting topic: savanna)" | 18:03 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | let's start from it to wait for some more folks | 18:03 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #info lawyers response about new name options: "From the trademark search, Sahara and Caravan are the best options." | 18:04 |
| mattf | best or only? | 18:04 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | so, I'd like to discuss it later on the meeting | 18:04 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, I've already asked them to clarify that, but I think that we should choose the option that is best from the PoW of lawyers to avoid renaming in future | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | one more, 3rd renaming, it'll kill me :( | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | folks, please | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | share your news/updates | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | Icehouse 3 released, more info in separated topic | 18:06 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | ylobankov, ping | 18:06 |
| mattf | only 2 reviews on api, so no progress there | 18:06 |
| ylobankov | sorry, I am here | 18:06 |
| crobertsrh | A couple of dashboard bug fixes, a few new bp for the future. | 18:07 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, sorry about that - end of cycle is a difficult time for such huge features - anyway, I'm trying to dedicate some time for reviewing it | 18:07 |
| ylobankov | I was working on test for transient cluster | 18:07 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, ErikB, tmckay ? | 18:08 |
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| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, eh, it's been over a month.. | 18:08 |
| tmckay | I've been tweaking cli tests, currently my environment is messed up with strange errors. I have some examples to add to savanna-extra | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ylobankov, the plan is to have two separated lightweight jobs to test transient clusters creation (== trusts usage) on both direct and heat engines, am I right? | 18:09 |
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| alazarev | Intel finally got environment for openstack development, could probably see contribution to Savanna soon | 18:09 |
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| ylobankov | SergeyLukjanov: yes | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, yup, good start | 18:09 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, that's nice, anyway we already have about 7 commits from them :) | 18:09 |
| tmckay | also, we have a new savanna guy, elmiko. I showed him how to do a gerrit review yesterday :) | 18:10 |
| ErikB1 | Not many updates from our side this week. We are still plugging away at (Ambari) Blueprints. Hope to get back to Savanna proper soon. | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ErikB1, we're in FF, so, that's fine ;) | 18:11 |
| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: yeah, but I'm talking about something bigger than changing assertEquals(None, ) to assertNone | 18:11 |
| mattf | ErikB1, anything on the neutron wrapper. it aged out this morning. | 18:11 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, gerrit is really scary for newcomers :) | 18:11 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | sreshetnyak, any updates about vanilla hadoop 2? | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, is elmiko working with you? | 18:12 |
| sreshetnyak | hi | 18:12 |
| ErikB1 | mattf: let me follow up on that. | 18:12 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, yes | 18:12 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, cool | 18:13 |
| alazarev | also, Mirantis has customer interested in savanna over multi-region environment, planning to add support of multi-regions (already in J) | 18:13 |
| sreshetnyak | basic implementation on vanilla hadoop 2 was merged | 18:13 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, yup, this bp is approved | 18:13 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | sreshetnyak, what's about scaling/testing/edp? | 18:13 |
| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: could you also take care of integration tests for IDH 3.0.2? | 18:14 |
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| sreshetnyak | in the base implementation has supported scaling, validation, swift and provisioning user configs | 18:15 |
| alazarev | sreshetnyak: question for you, not for SergeyLukjanov | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, I don't think that sreshetnyak will be able to finish both plugins till the rc | 18:16 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, I thought that you'll do it | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I mean IDH plugin part | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any other news/updates? | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | let's move on | 18:17 |
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| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: will need to learn from Yaroslav how to write integration tests | 18:17 |
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| sreshetnyak | alazarev, after the completion working on hadoop vanilla 2 plugin :) | 18:18 |
| alazarev | sreshetnyak: do you have estimates? | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, please, contact ylobankov and sreshetnyak to clarify how'll help you to write or just write itests for you, it's quite important | 18:18 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, we'll not include plugin to release notes w/o working itests | 18:18 |
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| sreshetnyak | alazarev, about 2 weeks | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info design summit sessions proposition site will be open soon | 18:19 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | sreshetnyak, it sounds like around the rc | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok, alazarev, sreshetnyak, ylobankov, please discuss it and tell us the plan next time | 18:20 |
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| ylobankov | ok | 18:21 |
| alazarev | ok | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thanks | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Project naming collision | 18:21 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | that's the most painfull topic | 18:21 |
| sreshetnyak | ok | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | (double l in painful to mark it especially painful) | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, we have a response from lawyers | 18:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | "From the trademark search, Sahara and Caravan are the best options." | 18:22 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | due to the http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_5dd4f18fde38ce8e Sahara is #2 option and Caravan is #5 | 18:22 |
| mattf | we should have included fusor | 18:23 |
| alazarev | "Sahara beats Caravan 10–4" | 18:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I think that we should avoid any risk to rename again and use options suggested by lawyers | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any objections? | 18:25 |
| ruhe | agree | 18:25 |
| ErikB1 | agree | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I see mattf has some, if still yes, please, add details | 18:25 |
| mattf | oh, mine is a statement of regret. i wish we'd included it. | 18:26 |
| mattf | i'm not suggesting we re-enter the lawyer process or pick something they've not vetted. | 18:27 |
| mattf | did they provide any details on why options were ruled out? | 18:27 |
| mattf | in my experience there are good reasons and it's easy to provide them so we can all understand the reasoning | 18:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, not yet, I've requested them, but I'm afraid that it could take a long time again... | 18:27 |
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| mattf | the reasoning should be readily available "pick sahara or caravan" is just the executive summary | 18:28 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, probably, http://www.fusor.net or http://www.fxpansion.com/index.php?page=62&tab=185 or something else | 18:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | anyway, I think that if lawyers say that "Sahara and Caravan are the best options" that it's better to use them | 18:29 |
| alazarev | agree | 18:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and we've choose them as a top 5 candidates | 18:30 |
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| mattf | feels like we're lingering. no one is going to be happy w/ the change. time to rip the bandaid off... | 18:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, we need the new name and we had enough time to propose tons of options | 18:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we've selected top 5 | 18:31 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | and the #2 is available | 18:31 |
| mattf | or rather, it's time to rip the adhesive bandage off | 18:31 |
| ruhe | SergeyLukjanov: so, do we need a new vote or do you think we can use the one which already won? | 18:32 |
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| IlyaE | mattf: I have opinion from our lawyers that even keeping Savanna should be fine, as long as product doesn't do the same thing | 18:32 |
| IlyaE | the main problem is that foundation believes we have to remove | 18:33 |
| IlyaE | and do it before the release | 18:33 |
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| IlyaE | and it based on advise of their lwayers | 18:33 |
| IlyaE | our judgement call is to comply | 18:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yup | 18:34 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | the main reason is that we'd like to graduate ;) | 18:34 |
| ErikB1 | good reason | 18:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ruhe, IMO "Sahara beats Caravan 10–4" and google.com -> images -> caravan are enough to skip voting | 18:35 |
| ruhe | SergeyLukjanov: +1 :) | 18:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #vote Choose the new name from the options suggested by lawyers *Sahara and Caravan) as the best from the trademarks pov? Yes, No, Abstain | 18:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #startvote Choose the new name from the options suggested by lawyers *Sahara and Caravan) as the best from the trademarks pov? Yes, No, Abstain | 18:37 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Choose the new name from the options suggested by lawyers *Sahara and Caravan) as the best from the trademarks pov? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain. | 18:37 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 18:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | folks, please | 18:37 |
| ErikB1 | #vote yes | 18:37 |
| ruhe | #vote Sahara | 18:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, ErikB1, mattf, sreshetnyak, IlyaE, ^^ | 18:37 |
| openstack | ruhe: Sahara is not a valid option. Valid options are Yes, No, Abstain. | 18:37 |
| alazarev | #vote yes | 18:37 |
| _nadya_ | #vote yes | 18:37 |
| ruhe | #vote yes | 18:37 |
| sreshetnyak | #voyr yes | 18:37 |
| mattf | #vote ruhe | 18:37 |
| bob_nettleton | #vote yes | 18:37 |
| openstack | mattf: ruhe is not a valid option. Valid options are Yes, No, Abstain. | 18:37 |
| tmckay | #vote yes | 18:37 |
| mattf | #vote yes | 18:37 |
| NikitaKonovalov | #vote yes | 18:37 |
| ylobankov | #vote yes | 18:37 |
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| sreshetnyak | #vote yes | 18:38 |
| crobertsrh | #vote yes | 18:38 |
| SergeyLukjanov | <@openstack> mattf: ruhe is not a valid option. Valid options are Yes, No, Abstain. :( | 18:38 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #vote yes | 18:38 |
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| elmiko | #vote yes | 18:38 |
| tmckay | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/picturegalleries/7198319/The-best-retro-caravans.html?image=11 | 18:39 |
| tmckay | looks just like an openstack guy | 18:39 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, ;) | 18:39 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, OpenStack RetroCaravan, heh | 18:39 |
| mattf | tmckay, oh no, are those jeans cuffed?! | 18:39 |
| tmckay | lol | 18:40 |
| * SergeyLukjanov thinking about RetroCaravan vs. Stackadoop | 18:40 | |
| tmckay | that would be a close one | 18:40 |
| elmiko | lol | 18:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #endvote | 18:40 |
| openstack | Voted on "Choose the new name from the options suggested by lawyers *Sahara and Caravan) as the best from the trademarks pov?" Results are | 18:40 |
| openstack | Yes (13): bob_nettleton, ruhe, ErikB1, elmiko, ylobankov, NikitaKonovalov, crobertsrh, tmckay, mattf, SergeyLukjanov, alazarev, _nadya_, sreshetnyak | 18:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yay! | 18:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | democracy! | 18:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | with total agreement | 18:40 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | and as ruhe proposed to just choose Sahara and start renaming | 18:41 |
| alazarev | here how democracy works: "you MUST change name, here is #2 and #5 available, please vote!" | 18:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, yup, that's it... | 18:41 |
| ruhe | obey the system | 18:42 |
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| mattf | voting is a component of democracy | 18:42 |
| * mattf grins | 18:42 | |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #starvote Choose "Sahara" w/o additional voting? Yes, No, Abstain | 18:43 |
| IlyaE | #vote yes | 18:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | NOTE: "Sahara beats Caravan 10–4" in the first voting round and google.com -> images -> caravan are enough to skip voting | 18:43 |
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| sreshetnyak | #vote yes | 18:43 |
| tmckay | #vote yes | 18:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #vote yes | 18:43 |
| ruhe | #vote yes | 18:43 |
| NikitaKonovalov | #vote yes | 18:43 |
| alazarev | #vote yes | 18:43 |
| _nadya_ | #vote yes | 18:43 |
| ErikB1 | #vote Abstain | 18:43 |
| ylobankov | #vote yes | 18:43 |
| elmiko | #vote yes | 18:43 |
| mattf | #vote ErikB1 | 18:43 |
| mattf | what, no chastising? | 18:44 |
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| mattf | #vote abstain | 18:44 |
| bob_nettleton | #vote abstain | 18:44 |
| * mattf isn't good at this voting thing | 18:44 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | ooops, I don't see voting bot | 18:44 |
| SergeyLukjanov | openstack, ping | 18:44 |
| SergeyLukjanov | oops, it was a typo | 18:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | shame on me | 18:45 |
| mattf | star vote! | 18:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | please, re-vote | 18:45 |
| mattf | *vote! | 18:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #startvote Choose "Sahara" w/o additional voting? Yes, No, Abstain | 18:45 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Choose "Sahara" w/o additional voting? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain. | 18:45 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 18:45 |
| tmckay | #vote yes | 18:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | openstack, thank you! | 18:45 |
| ruhe | #vote yes | 18:45 |
| ErikB1 | #vote Abstain | 18:45 |
| crobertsrh | #vote yes | 18:45 |
| alazarev | #vote yes | 18:45 |
| _nadya_ | #vote yes | 18:45 |
| NikitaKonovalov | #vote yes | 18:45 |
| elmiko | #vote abstain | 18:45 |
| bob_nettleton | #vote Abstain | 18:45 |
| ylobankov | #vote yes | 18:45 |
| mattf | #vote ErikB1 | 18:46 |
| openstack | mattf: ErikB1 is not a valid option. Valid options are Yes, No, Abstain. | 18:46 |
| sreshetnyak | #vote yes | 18:46 |
| mattf | #vote abstain | 18:46 |
| ErikB1 | mattf: I see, just testing. | 18:46 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #vote yes | 18:46 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | we're missing some folks... | 18:47 |
| SergeyLukjanov | IlyaE, ping | 18:47 |
| IlyaE | I voted | 18:47 |
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| IlyaE | #vote yes | 18:47 |
| ErikB1 | IlyaE: you need to vote again... | 18:47 |
| SergeyLukjanov | IlyaE, one more time please, It wasn't recorded | 18:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok, looks like we have all votes | 18:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #endvote | 18:48 |
| openstack | Voted on "Choose "Sahara" w/o additional voting?" Results are | 18:48 |
| openstack | Yes (10): NikitaKonovalov, ylobankov, ruhe, crobertsrh, tmckay, SergeyLukjanov, _nadya_, alazarev, sreshetnyak, IlyaE | 18:48 |
| openstack | Abstain (4): bob_nettleton, mattf, ErikB1, elmiko | 18:48 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | noone votes "No" | 18:49 |
| tmckay | now we need to vote on pronunciation | 18:49 |
| tmckay | har -- like "hair", or like a pirate "arrrrr" | 18:49 |
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| tmckay | I hear people do both | 18:50 |
| IlyaE | just curios - mattf, ErikB1, elmiko, bob - do you have any concrete alternative proposals? | 18:50 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, Russian folks accent will kill any agreement on pronunciation :) | 18:50 |
| tmckay | lol | 18:50 |
| SergeyLukjanov | bob_nettleton, mattf, ErikB1, elmiko, which kind of concern do you have? that we need to vote or Sahara name just sucks? | 18:50 |
| ErikB1 | IlyaE: mine were already knocked out in the voting process | 18:51 |
| elmiko | IlyaE, not really, i'm new to the project and i'm still getting up to speed on the reasoning for the name change | 18:51 |
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| tmckay | elmiko, lawyers | 18:51 |
| elmiko | tmckay, kk | 18:51 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, http://www.thetus.com/savanna | 18:51 |
| ruhe | tmckay: we pronounce it suh-har-uh (like a pirate) | 18:51 |
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| mattf | eh, rather not say | 18:52 |
| ErikB1 | I am +1 with the process and the name we ended up with | 18:52 |
| tmckay | ruhe, okay, that works. Just want to be consistent | 18:52 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov, i don't have a good suggestion for an alternate and i'm neutral as to what we change to, although it would be cool to have a name that relates to the project. i'm not sure that's possible. | 18:52 |
| mattf | can we close on this topic? | 18:52 |
| IlyaE | well, I also don't like situation, but we got to do something | 18:52 |
| bob_nettleton | I am also +1 with the naming process. No objections on my part. I do like the sound of " | 18:52 |
| mattf | next up and some sort of team to do the renaming? | 18:52 |
| bob_nettleton | of "Caravan" | 18:52 |
| bob_nettleton | but I'm not opposed to Sahara. | 18:53 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov, ty for the link | 18:53 |
| mattf | do we have a scope for the change from the lawyers? | 18:53 |
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| mattf | e.g. do we have to change readthedocs, or things is stackforge etc? | 18:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, everything | 18:54 |
| mattf | even the sticker on my laptop!? | 18:54 |
| * mattf kids | 18:54 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | I have several stickers too and t-shirts | 18:54 |
| ruhe | mattf: even t-shirt which aignatov gave you | 18:54 |
| * mattf throws his tshirts away | 18:54 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | don't know how to change them :( | 18:54 |
| mattf | tho,m they may be collectors items now | 18:54 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, but we'll keep links from old resources and will append (ex. Savanna) to everything ;) | 18:54 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok, looks like we're in agreement | 18:55 |
| mattf | so, everything on openstack and stackforge | 18:55 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, yup | 18:55 |
| mattf | what about in the code, if a variable has savanna in the name but is not user visible? | 18:55 |
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| alazarev | probably we should keep old resources with redirect for a while | 18:55 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, eventually we should rename them but not now | 18:56 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, sure | 18:56 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, you still can find quantum in neutron I think | 18:56 |
| mattf | what's the scope of things that must change? | 18:56 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #agree rename project to "Sahara" | 18:56 |
| ruhe | mattf: what about RPM packages? will you have a time to rename? | 18:56 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, user visible stuff, like API, docs | 18:56 |
| mattf | ruhe, depends. in the past name of package != brand name. but it all depends... so there's some guidance needed here. | 18:57 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | we'll have new pypi packages too | 18:57 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | so, I think rpms should be renamed too | 18:58 |
| mattf | here's the thing. we should probably spend the next 4 weeks w/ the full team removing all references to savanna across the project's history, but we need to prioritize. so i'm keen to find out what MUST be changed and do it first, save the SHOULD for post graduation. | 18:58 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | oh, two mins left... I'll email all info about FF, release and etc. | 18:58 |
| mattf | sorry, "we COULD probably spend" | 18:58 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, I'll check the expectations | 18:59 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, did the lawyers provide any guidance on what needs to change? | 18:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, and mail details | 18:59 |
| mattf | thanks | 18:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, thanks for catching this, good question | 18:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | folks, let's move to the #savanna channel | 18:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thank you all! | 18:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 6 18:59:56 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2014/savanna.2014-03-06-18.02.html | 18:59 |
| ErikB1 | Thanks! | 19:00 |
| mattf | ciao! | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2014/savanna.2014-03-06-18.02.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2014/savanna.2014-03-06-18.02.log.html | 19:00 |
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| mestery | Hello Neutron Group Policy participants! | 19:00 |
| cgoncalves | \o/ | 19:00 |
| banix | mastery, others hi | 19:00 |
| prasadv | hi mestery | 19:00 |
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| rkukura | hi | 19:01 |
| mandeep | mestery: Hi | 19:01 |
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| mestery | #startmeeting networking_policy | 19:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 6 19:01:09 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 19:01 |
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| * mestery thinks meetbot appears slow today, perhaps an ominous sign. | 19:01 | |
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| banix | :) | 19:02 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron_Group_Policy Agenda | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hi all! | 19:02 |
| mandeep | SumitNaiksatam: Hi sumit | 19:02 |
| banix | SmitNaiksatam: hi | 19:02 |
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| s3wong | hello | 19:02 |
| cgoncalves | hi everyone | 19:02 |
| mestery | #topic Action Item Review | 19:02 |
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| banix | s3wong: Hi | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix s3wong mandeep hi | 19:02 |
| mestery | Greetings everyone! | 19:02 |
| mestery | Lets walk through action items from last week's meeting now. | 19:02 |
| mestery | First up: | 19:02 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam and prasadv to update document to add contracts to Object Model | 19:02 |
| mestery | Any updates on this one? | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yeah | 19:03 |
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| prasadv | sumit do you want to update | 19:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | prasadv: sure | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we haven't updated the main document yet | 19:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | prasadv hemanth mandeep and I got together and brainstormed | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we made progress | 19:04 |
| mestery | Awesome! | 19:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | but still work to be done | 19:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://docs.google.com/a/noironetworks.com/presentation/d/1Nn1HjghAvk2RTPwvltSrnCUJkidWKWY2ckU7OYAVNpo/edit#slide=id.g1c910cf8b_038 | 19:04 |
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| mestery | Cool, thanks SumitNaiksatam for the update! | 19:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hence we did not add to the document | 19:04 |
| mestery | OK | 19:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | happy to discuss here | 19:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | prasadv: you want to add? | 19:05 |
| prasadv | you summed it pretty well | 19:05 |
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| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: shouldn't action be a list? | 19:05 |
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| s3wong | that is, one classifier to n actions? | 19:05 |
| banix | so is "policy" more like "policy rule" we had earlier | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: hmmm…yeah it was a list before | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: but what is an example of multiple actions? | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: yeah | 19:06 |
| s3wong | also - policy should have more than one {classifier: list of actions} | 19:06 |
| banix | with contract essentially being the "policy" in the terminology we have been using? | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: yes thats the idea | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: ^^^ | 19:06 |
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| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: there are several different action types. For example, it can be 'allow', then 'redirect' to a mirror, then set some 'qos' action | 19:07 |
| s3wong | all off of one classifier match | 19:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: can we think of that as a composite action? | 19:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: with a list, you get into priority issues | 19:08 |
| mestery | Agree on the priority issue front here. | 19:08 |
| mandeep | s3wong: Yes, were trying to use a white list model that did not need priority | 19:08 |
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| mandeep | s3wong: But this is still work in progress, and this is good input | 19:09 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: actions are quite orthogonal though - also, some type does not make sense to have multiple, for example 'security' | 19:09 |
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| s3wong | but OTOH, 'qos' action type can have multiple actions | 19:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: yeah, we thought if we can could collapse multiple actions into one | 19:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: yeah | 19:09 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | but yeah, like mandeep said, not set in stone | 19:09 |
| cgoncalves | SumitNaiksatam: the endpoing group mapping to a neutron network is just the default value, right? because it is defined in the BP doc that it can be either a network or port | 19:10 |
| mandeep | cgoncalves: Yes | 19:10 |
| prasadv | we still need to work further on action(s) | 19:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: yes for the former, no for the latter | 19:10 |
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| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: how is actions represented then? | 19:10 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: we will need to have an extensible set of defined actions | 19:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: port is an endpoint | 19:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: peg is a collection of end points | 19:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *epg | 19:11 |
| mandeep | cgoncalves: A neutron network identifies a group of endpoints with "default neutron policy", but a group could exist with a different membership | 19:11 |
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| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: I do agree we shouldn't have priority on the set of actions | 19:12 |
| cgoncalves | SumitNaiksatam, mandeep: ok, thanks for clarifying :) | 19:12 |
| banix | and an peg can contain endpoints and one single network? | 19:12 |
| s3wong | and that was never the intention anyway | 19:12 |
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| * mestery thinks peg may be sticking now ... :) | 19:12 | |
| banix | :) | 19:12 |
| mandeep | ;-) | 19:12 |
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| s3wong | what is peg? :-) | 19:13 |
| banix | policy endpoint group | 19:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | spell correct tries to invent new terms and i like to take credit :-) | 19:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | peg -> epg | 19:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | sorry | 19:13 |
| cgoncalves | IIRC we have been using different terminology in different places (e.g., 'connectivity group' in the BP, 'endpoint group' in BD and/or DB (not sure right now)) | 19:13 |
| mandeep | cgoncalves: Good pint | 19:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: we will normalize | 19:14 |
| mandeep | cgoncalves: We need to fix this in the doc update | 19:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: thanks for catching that | 19:14 |
| s3wong | just use peg :-) | 19:14 |
| mandeep | SumitNaiksatam: agreed | 19:14 |
| banix | SO I think as we proceed a bit but not too far we should take the discussion to the google doc as we did earlier | 19:14 |
| mandeep | banix: +1 | 19:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: make comments on the doc if you see inconsistencies ;-) | 19:14 |
| cgoncalves | and for the neutron CLI I've used as is in the BP, i.e. 'connectivity group' | 19:14 |
| s3wong | banix: I agreed. We should be commenting on the doc a lot | 19:15 |
| prasadv | banix:+1 | 19:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: yes sure | 19:15 |
| s3wong | that was the working model before | 19:15 |
| cgoncalves | SumitNaiksatam: we must first defined which one to use. either connectivity group or endpoint group | 19:15 |
| cgoncalves | s/defined/define | 19:15 |
| s3wong | I think we had been using endpoint group for a long time | 19:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so should i replace the current diagram with the one i posted in the link above? | 19:16 |
| banix | Let us stay with the terms we agreed on earlier unless there is a need to change | 19:16 |
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| s3wong | though we used "connectivity group" in both the API doc and the actual API implementation :-) | 19:16 |
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| mestery | At various points, we've used both terms. | 19:16 |
| mestery | What should we settle on then? | 19:17 |
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| mandeep | let us not get hung up on names ... let us take that discussion to the doc | 19:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | end point group seems more natural to me | 19:17 |
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| mestery | Good call mandeep, didn't mean to resolve here either. :) | 19:17 |
| banix | I think even though our work is independent of ODL effort along the same direction, | 19:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | since its a collection of end points | 19:17 |
| prasadv | +1 for end point group | 19:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: sorry | 19:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: i agree, not get hung up on names :-) | 19:18 |
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| banix | we can use similar terms to avoid confusing everybody later on; just a suggestion | 19:18 |
| mandeep | banix: I agree, we should stay consistent with ODL model where applicable | 19:18 |
| s3wong | banix: agreed - in ODL we settled on the project being call GBP (group-based policy) | 19:18 |
| mestery | +1 to staying consistent with ODL model | 19:18 |
| * cgoncalves thinks we will settle for 'endpoint group', but moves on the subject :-) | 19:18 | |
| s3wong | and the official term for the group is endpoint group | 19:18 |
| s3wong | so if we are going with the ODL terminology, we should go with endpoint group | 19:19 |
| banix | or e.g. (as in egg) | 19:19 |
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| banix | sorry, lets move on | 19:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | +1 for consistency | 19:19 |
| s3wong | so for the model, all of us will make our comments on doc? | 19:20 |
| s3wong | is that the next step? | 19:20 |
| mandeep | s3wong: Yes, that was my understanding | 19:20 |
| mestery | Makes sense to me s3wong. | 19:20 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: which doc? | 19:21 |
| banix | those working on the first draft, need a bit time to add more? | 19:21 |
| banix | to the doc i meant | 19:21 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: the google preso doc you sent above | 19:21 |
| mandeep | s3wong: OK | 19:21 |
| s3wong | "Neutron Group Policy Model" | 19:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: ok | 19:22 |
| mestery | This one: https://docs.google.com/a/noironetworks.com/presentation/d/1Nn1HjghAvk2RTPwvltSrnCUJkidWKWY2ckU7OYAVNpo/edit#slide=id.g1c910cf8b_00 | 19:22 |
| mestery | Right? | 19:22 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: yeah that was the one i pasted earlier | 19:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok got it | 19:22 |
| s3wong | mestery: correct, the one that starts with "Work In Progress!!!" | 19:22 |
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| prasadv | banix: we do need more time to add more, right sumit? | 19:22 |
| mestery | #action Group Policy members to comment on the document here for next week https://docs.google.com/a/noironetworks.com/presentation/d/1Nn1HjghAvk2RTPwvltSrnCUJkidWKWY2ckU7OYAVNpo/edit#slide=id.g1c910cf8b_00 | 19:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | prasadv: yeah | 19:23 |
| mandeep | prasadv: Yes | 19:23 |
| mestery | OK, lets hit the second Action Item for review | 19:23 |
| mestery | From last week: mandeep to setup neutronclient shared repo | 19:23 |
| mandeep | done | 19:23 |
| mestery | Awesome! Thanks mandeep! | 19:23 |
| mandeep | Updates the meeting minutes with the repo | 19:23 |
| cgoncalves | mandeep: thanks! | 19:23 |
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| mestery | Perfect, thanks! | 19:23 |
| mestery | #topic Plugin status update | 19:23 |
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| mestery | SumitNaiksatam? | 19:23 |
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| cgoncalves | I've pushed code to branch cgoncalves/group-policy | 19:24 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: yeah | 19:24 |
| mestery | cgoncalves: Sweet! | 19:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i pushed code as well :-) | 19:24 |
| mestery | Sweet! | 19:25 |
| banix | cgoncalves: thanks; can you say bait about what it does | 19:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | not to get too excited - an initial post on the plugin | 19:25 |
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| banix | SumitNaiksatam: cool! | 19:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: thanks | 19:25 |
| banix | too late, we are already excited :) | 19:25 |
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| mestery | hahahahah | 19:25 |
| * mestery thinks the group policy team is easily excitable. | 19:25 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | "-) | 19:25 |
| banix | :) | 19:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | :-) | 19:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so this was after a bit of experimentation | 19:26 |
| cgoncalves | banix: it's just a first draft of commands and API calls. will have to be refactored to keep up with the latest models changes | 19:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there is some insight gained | 19:26 |
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| banix | i see; will look; thanks. | 19:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we agreed that we would be doing a single plugin | 19:26 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | which would be configured as a "core" plugin | 19:26 |
| mestery | Yes | 19:26 |
| s3wong | OK | 19:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the "core" configuration part of it is a bit tricky | 19:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | since we still want to use the L3, L3, services plugin | 19:27 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so what i am doing in the patch is, you still configure all other plugins as before | 19:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so ML2 still gets configured as "core_plugin" | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | then we introduce an additional piece of configuration for the policy plugin | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | call it an interceptor | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so now, the neutron plugin loading mechanism loads all the plugins as before (including core) | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | then we introduce a hook for this interceptor | 19:29 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: Reminds me of what Broace/Vyatta was proposing in Hong Kong :) | 19:29 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ok | 19:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i hope i don't step on their terminilogy | 19:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | it might mean different things | 19:29 |
| mestery | Nope, not at all. | 19:29 |
| mestery | Yeah, true. | 19:29 |
| s3wong | mestery: yeah, the Geoff Arnold dynamic resource mgmt thingy | 19:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if the interceptor is configured | 19:29 |
| mestery | s3wong: Exactly! | 19:29 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | then, the loaded references to the core and other plugins are replaced with the interceptor/policy-plugin | 19:30 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | and those references will be passed to the policy plugin | 19:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | now the policy plugin is in the path of all the calls (which is what we want) | 19:30 |
| mestery | That sounds pretty nice SumitNaiksatam! | 19:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | what this does is, it allows us to stay consistent with wherever "core_plugin" is used | 19:31 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: would that break the non-policy Neutron calls? | 19:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | say for example devstack | 19:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we just become and additional/optional configuration | 19:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so i hope i have managed to confuse everyone by now! :-) | 19:32 |
| banix | Cool; Looking forward to seeing the code. | 19:32 |
| mestery | :) | 19:32 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i have run into an issue with the way the extensions are loaded | 19:32 |
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| mandeep | SumitNaiksatam: Cool. | 19:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so the current patch is breaking at that | 19:32 |
| banix | we are an excitable easily confused bunch :) | 19:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but working on it | 19:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: hahaha | 19:32 |
| banix | great thanks. | 19:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | open to questions comments on this | 19:33 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: sounds great to me! | 19:33 |
| cgoncalves | SumitNaiksatam: I think that's the way to go, even later on. replacing ML2 with yet another core plugin is troublesome for sysadmins. we would also have to come up with a migration tool if ML2 that's deprecated; or am I understanding the ML2-replacement wrong? | 19:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks | 19:33 |
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| cgoncalves | s/that's/gets | 19:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: so in this scheme, i don't think they will have to change their references to the core_plugin (ML2 that is) | 19:34 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: so this is an infra to get interceptor loaded - my guess is this interceptor is meant to be generic, not only for policy (other projects that need to intercept calls can use it in the future too)? | 19:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: there will be additional config (which might required migration) | 19:34 |
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| mandeep | s3wong: Correct, say for debugging | 19:34 |
| cgoncalves | SumitNaiksatam: exactly, in this scheme such wouldn't be required | 19:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: exactly | 19:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but we have to be careful with setting the expectations on migration :-) | 19:34 |
| cgoncalves | SumitNaiksatam: just wanted with my previous comment that this way of introducing group policy as an interceptor is better in the long run I think | 19:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i mean from a legacy to a group policy based system | 19:35 |
| mandeep | SumitNaiksatam: They have to work ... | 19:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: true true | 19:35 |
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| s3wong | very good | 19:35 |
| * cgoncalves is excited to have a working, even if minimal, group policy + redirect setup flowing | 19:36 | |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: This is very encouraging work! Awesome! | 19:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: sure | 19:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: a fair bit to go before that | 19:36 |
| mestery | Any other questions/discussions on the plugin? | 19:37 |
| prasadv | sumitnaiksatam: very good work!! | 19:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | prasadv: thanks | 19:37 |
| mandeep | prasadv: +1 | 19:37 |
| cgoncalves | SumitNaiksatam: I know, I know :) | 19:37 |
| s3wong | I can only imagine how much testing is needed before this patch can make it upstream :-) | 19:37 |
| mestery | s3wong: :P | 19:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: ha good one | 19:37 |
| banix | Great Sumit. thanks. | 19:37 |
| cgoncalves | s3wong: you're no fun! hehe | 19:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so thats what i mean by setting the expectations | 19:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think there is a huge overhead even for a tiny change | 19:38 |
| mestery | Yeah, good call. | 19:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so we have to sandbox accordingly | 19:38 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i think most of us have experienced that in icehouse :-) | 19:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | not funny actually | 19:38 |
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| * s3wong sighs | 19:39 | |
| mestery | True | 19:39 |
| banix | Do we want to bring this approach to the larger community; not now but may be later on when we make more progress? | 19:39 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | banix: oh absolutely | 19:39 |
| banix | May be part of what we discuss at the sumit | 19:40 |
| s3wong | banix: yeah, that was my question above actually :-) | 19:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: lets get it work to a reasonable extent | 19:40 |
| banix | yes makes sense | 19:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: with some UTs | 19:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: but i agree better to socialize sooner than later | 19:40 |
| banix | Yes, will have much more time to work on this after the ongoing deadlines are passed | 19:41 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: correct, probably want to give a heads up on the ML once this works to a certain extent | 19:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: sure | 19:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: yes sure | 19:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think the best thing will be to post on gerrit at the earliest | 19:41 |
| mestery | +1 to that SumitNaiksatam | 19:42 |
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| banix | sounds good | 19:42 |
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| mestery | OK, lets move on then. | 19:43 |
| mestery | #topic Model | 19:43 |
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| mestery | I guess we talked bout this a lot already. | 19:43 |
| mestery | Anything else to discuss here now? | 19:43 |
| s3wong | 16 more minutes!!! | 19:44 |
| mestery | :) | 19:44 |
| mestery | I mean, object model discussions. | 19:44 |
| mestery | We did this earlier I think. Anything else to ponder further? | 19:44 |
| banix | We had started discussing connection to services framework | 19:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: yeah | 19:45 |
| s3wong | banix: that will happen on a separate meeting, no? | 19:45 |
| mestery | banix: This is true, yes. We had decided to move that out right SumitNaiksatam? | 19:45 |
| mestery | Yes | 19:45 |
| mestery | separate meeting I think | 19:45 |
| s3wong | Wednesdays @1900 UTC | 19:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: yeah, we thought we had enough fires to fight for icehouse 3 | 19:45 |
| mandeep | banix: Yes | 19:45 |
| s3wong | and daylight saving time will come for us US people | 19:45 |
| banix | yes i agree | 19:45 |
| mestery | :) | 19:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so next wednesday works for everyone? | 19:45 |
| banix | wanted to say something else: | 19:45 |
| * mestery will be on vacation, but please proceed without me. :) | 19:46 | |
| prasadv | i am ok | 19:46 |
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| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: sure, works for me | 19:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok | 19:46 |
| banix | ok will talk later. | 19:46 |
| mestery | #topic Open Discussion | 19:46 |
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| mestery | Anything else this week then? | 19:46 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | banix: you were saying something | 19:47 |
| s3wong | yeah, waiting for banix to finish his something else :-) | 19:47 |
| banix | no i just wanted to say we could have a basic framework that does not require services | 19:47 |
| banix | as such and we can have that as a separate complementary but not necessary thing. that's all. | 19:47 |
| s3wong | banix: for PoC, sure, we should keep it simple | 19:47 |
| mandeep | banix: Yes, that could a first phase | 19:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: yes, we can incrementally evolve | 19:47 |
| banix | exactly; that was it from my side. | 19:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | only thing is that we have certain requirements down the line, we need to start planning now | 19:48 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | it takes a really long time to get anything in | 19:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | especially resource/api changes | 19:48 |
| s3wong | yeah, the group-policy meeting can hopefully focus more on actually coding and PoC | 19:49 |
| banix | I agree. | 19:49 |
| s3wong | and the service meeting will focus on doing service with group-policy | 19:49 |
| mestery | +1 | 19:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yeah, we don't have much time left for the PoC | 19:49 |
| mandeep | Looks like we have violent agreement ;-) | 19:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | good thing is we don't rely on neutron reviewers to accept the PoC :-) | 19:50 |
| s3wong | consensus!!! | 19:50 |
| banix | Great job starting the ball rolling | 19:50 |
| mestery | Yes, nice work SumitNaiksatam! | 19:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: thanks, good team work | 19:51 |
| mestery | +1 | 19:51 |
| mestery | OK, if there's nothing else, lets call this meeting 9 minutes early! :) | 19:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | excitable team is a great thing! | 19:51 |
| banix | :) | 19:51 |
| mestery | :) | 19:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: sure thanks! | 19:51 |
| s3wong | All good | 19:51 |
| cgoncalves | let's pat ourselves on the back for early meeting ending and tremendous aggreement overall :) | 19:51 |
| banix | excited about leaving early! | 19:52 |
| mestery | Thanks for everyone's help and excitement! | 19:52 |
| mestery | ;) | 19:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: +1 | 19:52 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 19:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 6 19:52:09 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-03-06-19.01.html | 19:52 |
| mestery | Thanks folks! | 19:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-03-06-19.01.txt | 19:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-03-06-19.01.log.html | 19:52 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | later all, bye! | 19:52 |
| banix | thanks everybody | 19:52 |
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| s3wong | thanks! bye | 19:52 |
| cgoncalves | thanks! cya | 19:52 |
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| markwash | glance folks around? | 20:04 |
| ameade | o/ | 20:04 |
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| markwash | let's start up | 20:05 |
| markwash | #startmeeting glance | 20:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 6 20:05:28 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markwash. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:05 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 20:05 |
| arnaud__ | o/ | 20:05 |
| nikhil___ | o/ | 20:05 |
| ameade | o/ | 20:06 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 20:06 |
| markwash | o/ | 20:07 |
| iccha_ | o/ | 20:07 |
| markwash | so, we are in feature freeze | 20:07 |
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| markwash | there are some blueprints and bugs targeted to rc1 | 20:07 |
| markwash | #link https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/icehouse-rc1 | 20:07 |
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| markwash | the idea is to get these in before tuesday so that I don't have to beg or explain the case for more time :-) | 20:08 |
| markwash | and so we can cut rc1 sooner | 20:08 |
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| iccha_ | will do mark | 20:09 |
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| markwash | also, landing fixes to important bugs is high priority | 20:09 |
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| markwash | the sooner we can do that, the sooner we can cut rc1, and the sooner we can get it in some more people's hands | 20:09 |
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| ameade | people should feel free to slam me with review requests, i may be able to pick up a bug here and there | 20:10 |
| markwash | I don't have any more immediate items for today's meeting, should we check in on the status of the artifacts work? | 20:10 |
| arnaud__ | that would be nice | 20:11 |
| ameade | markwash: yeah whats the word? | 20:11 |
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| ameade | are there any blueprints? | 20:12 |
| markwash | seems we're still in design phases. . but I don't see alex or jbernard around to discuss with | 20:12 |
| arnaud__ | at the end of the meeting I would like to discuss a behavior that I am seeing: I want to confirm that this is not a bug | 20:12 |
| markwash | ameade: there are blueprints but they're still being defined IIRC | 20:12 |
| rosmaita | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/artifact-repository-api | 20:13 |
| rosmaita | also, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Glance-artifacts-api-faq | 20:13 |
| ameade | rosmaita: ty sir | 20:14 |
| rosmaita | np | 20:14 |
| arnaud__ | Mark do we have randall working on the heat side? | 20:14 |
| markwash | seems there's not much new information however | 20:14 |
| markwash | arnaud__: I haven't heard from him in a bit, but I think he's still interested | 20:15 |
| arnaud__ | okay | 20:15 |
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| markwash | arnaud__: you and I had some good conversation about directions the artifacts structures could go | 20:16 |
| markwash | iirc, we had hoped to share that info with alex, have you had a chance to follow up with him? | 20:16 |
| arnaud__ | Iwas busy on some other stuff this week | 20:16 |
| markwash | its been one of those weeks for me as well | 20:16 |
| arnaud__ | I have our conversation | 20:16 |
| arnaud__ | I will talk to him before next meeting | 20:16 |
| markwash | all right, looks like we don't have much more in terms of status updates | 20:17 |
| ameade | markwash: do you know if anyone is working on the cinder driver? | 20:17 |
| markwash | ameade: not that I'm aware of | 20:17 |
| ameade | it's basically just a stub atm | 20:17 |
| arnaud__ | I know zhiyan was interested in it | 20:17 |
| zhiyan | ameade: cinder store driver? what do you think? | 20:17 |
| ameade | zhiyan: i'd like it to get finished :) | 20:18 |
| zhiyan | ameade: IMO the issue for it is Brick | 20:18 |
| markwash | there are a few other issues as well that have come up | 20:19 |
| ameade | zhiyan: can you summarize brick and why it's a blocker? i know brick is part of cinder | 20:19 |
| markwash | 1 is that we don't have support for multi-format images, so its a bit hard to use cinder drivers for anything other than raw images | 20:19 |
| zhiyan | ameade: without it we/Glance (and other project who outside Cinder) can't access volumes | 20:19 |
| ameade | ah i see | 20:19 |
| markwash | 2) is that its not clear that the deployment pattern for glance and cinder would allow glance to own the cinder volumes, so they could get deleted, leaving the location a dangling reference | 20:20 |
| ameade | that makes sense too | 20:20 |
| ameade | i really dont want dead code sitting there then | 20:20 |
| zhiyan | right, currently it is *part of* cinder, but a standard lib | 20:20 |
| ameade | what i really wanna see is the glance.store code turn into a transfer service | 20:21 |
| nikhil___ | +1 | 20:21 |
| ameade | but it gets weird i think when you mix block and object storage | 20:21 |
| markwash | there was a really interesting idea put forward by lifeless at the triple O summit that could help us kick off the transfer service | 20:21 |
| zhiyan | ameade: is is not a dead code, via image_handler within nova, we can consume that volume acted image as we needed (since nova side has volume accessing code) | 20:21 |
| lifeless | \o/ | 20:22 |
| markwash | I captured it in a blueprint (which links to lifeless ideas in an etherpad) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/multicast-image-transfer | 20:22 |
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| ameade | hmm ok, i'll try to digest this stuff and form some opinions | 20:24 |
| markwash | the whole idea of the transfer service isn't entirely clear in my mind | 20:24 |
| nikhil___ | that seems to overlap a bit with the bittorrent protocol within the xfer service | 20:24 |
| markwash | so a usecase like that was interesting in that it seemed like it *could* help clarify some things | 20:24 |
| markwash | nikhil___: yeah, I think there is a lot of similarity | 20:24 |
| nikhil___ | we have a few use cases markwash | 20:24 |
| zhiyan | imo multicast still is a thing for "copy", my idea is zero-copy | 20:25 |
| markwash | I kind of think they would be side-by-side protocols | 20:25 |
| nikhil___ | would like to provide feedback | 20:25 |
| nikhil___ | markwash: yeah | 20:25 |
| nikhil___ | zhiyan: ? | 20:25 |
| markwash | zhiyan: you're right, but I think there are requirements for good copy support as well | 20:25 |
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| markwash | anyway, I'd like to avoid ratholing too far down at this point :-) | 20:26 |
| ameade | yeah i think both are important though | 20:26 |
| markwash | so, arnaud__ you had a quick bug you wanted some discussion about? | 20:26 |
| zhiyan | markwash: ok, but tbh prevent copy is my finial target. | 20:26 |
| ameade | zhiyan: you mean related to multi-attach volumes? | 20:27 |
| arnaud__ | markwash: yes | 20:27 |
| ameade | zhiyan: are you the one working on that in cinder? | 20:27 |
| zhiyan | ameade: they are different topic, iiuc. | 20:27 |
| arnaud__ | +1 | 20:27 |
| zhiyan | yes, i am | 20:27 |
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| ameade | kk, sorry we can move on now | 20:28 |
| arnaud__ | ok :) so here is the story | 20:28 |
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| arnaud__ | in nova, I create an image - upload content of size 0 (StringIO('')) - then get the location for the image - then replace the bits at this location with something much bigger than 0 - then update the image with the new size of this big thing | 20:30 |
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| arnaud__ | this works | 20:30 |
| arnaud__ | after that I am able to boot the new image from nova | 20:30 |
| arnaud__ | I feel like something is messed up :) (i.e. the checksum) | 20:31 |
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| arnaud__ | is it clear? | 20:31 |
| nikhil___ | hmm | 20:31 |
| ameade | arnaud__: ah yeah, like nova isn't checking the checksum? | 20:32 |
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| zhiyan | arnaud__: did you check the checksum value after you update the image? | 20:32 |
| gokrokve_ | Hi. Sorry I am late. | 20:32 |
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| nikhil___ | may be we need to add verificaion of the etag (checksum returned from store) with the one store in glance? | 20:32 |
| markwash | arnaud__: so you just update the size directly in glance? | 20:33 |
| arnaud__ | yes | 20:33 |
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| arnaud__ | markwash: yes, I just update the size | 20:33 |
| arnaud__ | and modify what is at the location | 20:33 |
| arnaud__ | this is cool for me, but that make works what I want to do | 20:33 |
| arnaud__ | but I want to make this isn't working because of a bug | 20:34 |
| arnaud__ | :) | 20:34 |
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| arnaud__ | zhiyan: the checksum of the image is populated after update | 20:34 |
| zhiyan | ok, if so seems like it's a bug in nova but glance | 20:34 |
| arnaud__ | so this is OK behavior to have Nova replacing a location behind Glance's back? and update the size? | 20:35 |
| markwash | it does seem like there is a bug in glance somewhere if you can update the size or the checksum, or have the download work with an invalid checksum | 20:35 |
| arnaud__ | ok | 20:35 |
| arnaud__ | ok, cool. | 20:36 |
| zhiyan | arnaud__: humm, i think this use case is too hack to glance | 20:36 |
| rosmaita | markwash: are you saying that checksum, size, and location should be linked so you must update all at the same time? | 20:36 |
| markwash | this is sort of hilarious, asking you to file a bug for a functionality you really want to use :-) | 20:36 |
| arnaud__ | zhiyan: I agree with you, but at this point I need to get the Glance location and size the location is provided after content is uploaded | 20:36 |
| zhiyan | arnaud__: why you need replace image bits via location? | 20:37 |
| arnaud__ | markwash: I don't want to file a bug, but I want to be sure that in the future no one else file a bug and change the behavior | 20:37 |
| arnaud__ | to move the bits of the snapshot instead of uploading them | 20:38 |
| nikhil___ | zhiyan: upload behind the scenes | 20:38 |
| arnaud__ | yep nikhil___ | 20:38 |
| nikhil___ | ;) | 20:38 |
| markwash | the core problem here is that clients don't know where to put data if they don't want to send it through glance | 20:39 |
| arnaud__ | yes | 20:39 |
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| markwash | arnaud__: I think its pretty likely that we will file a bug and "fix" the behavior you're seeing :-) | 20:39 |
| arnaud__ | ok... | 20:40 |
| arnaud__ | :) | 20:40 |
| nikhil___ | feel even more need for a xfer service which is kinda glance aware | 20:40 |
| arnaud__ | I would like to see a location provided before having to upload the content | 20:40 |
| arnaud__ | +1 nikhil___ | 20:41 |
| markwash | there was a suggestion at some point for glance to provide the "upload location" that clients could use | 20:41 |
| zhiyan | arnaud__: iiuc, currently we support it | 20:41 |
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| arnaud__ | zhiyan: could you develop? | 20:41 |
| arnaud__ | I am not seeing the direct_url just by doing image_create afaik | 20:41 |
| ameade | isn't this what breaking out glance.store is for? | 20:42 |
| arnaud__ | not exactly | 20:42 |
| zhiyan | arnaud__: create a image, it under "queued" status, and you an prepare the image bits on nova side, then use PATCH api to add that location to glance | 20:42 |
| zhiyan | arnaud__: then the image will turn to "active" | 20:42 |
| markwash | ameade: sort of, but its difficult to imagine all of the clients getting the right credentials for talking directly to the store | 20:42 |
| arnaud__ | zhiyan: the thing is that I need to have this location | 20:42 |
| ameade | heh yeah | 20:42 |
| arnaud__ | before | 20:42 |
| ameade | so this is what a third party transfer service would do | 20:42 |
| arnaud__ | you don't know the format that is used by glance to store the image | 20:43 |
| arnaud__ | the file name, the folder or whatever info contained in the URL of the image | 20:43 |
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| arnaud__ | do you get my point zhiyan? | 20:44 |
| markwash | so, can someone file a bug documenting this behavior? | 20:44 |
| arnaud__ | I will markwash | 20:44 |
| zhiyan | arnaud__: yes, but i'm thinking if this use case on nova side is make sense | 20:44 |
| markwash | okay, cool | 20:44 |
| markwash | if there aren't any other items atm, I have something I need to run off to | 20:44 |
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| arnaud__ | thank you guys | 20:45 |
| ameade | bye everyone | 20:46 |
| markwash | thanks! | 20:46 |
| markwash | #endmeeting | 20:46 |
| nikhil___ | thanks | 20:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 6 20:46:25 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-03-06-20.05.html | 20:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-03-06-20.05.txt | 20:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-03-06-20.05.log.html | 20:46 |
| zhiyan | thanks bye | 20:46 |
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| rockyg | meetingstart Refstack | 22:01 |
| rockyg | startmeeting Refstack | 22:01 |
| malini | greetings! | 22:01 |
| rockyg | Hey! | 22:01 |
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| pleia2 | rockyg: you want a # before startmeeting :) | 22:02 |
| rockyg | doh! | 22:02 |
| rockyg | #startmeeting RefStack | 22:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 6 22:02:20 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rockyg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 22:02 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | o/ | 22:03 |
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| catherine|2 | here | 22:03 |
| waiman | hi | 22:03 |
| rockyg | o/ | 22:03 |
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| rockyg | rollcall for those who haven't typed in since meeting start... | 22:04 |
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| rockyg | agenda: Update from zehicle_at_dell on refstack demo and defcore discussion at board; project status; selection of next sprint stories; schedule?; open discussion | 22:06 |
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| rockyg | hi tedchang_ | 22:07 |
| rockyg | Let's start with report from zehicle_at_dell about board meeting decisions/discussions | 22:08 |
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| tedchang_ | Hi :) | 22:08 |
| zehicle_at_dell | ok | 22:08 |
| zehicle_at_dell | lots to report | 22:08 |
| sarob_ | yo | 22:09 |
| zehicle_at_dell | we reported about the progres of the program overall | 22:09 |
| zehicle_at_dell | and got board OK to keep going with expanding the community involvement in the process | 22:09 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | we did NOT demo TCUP but asked the board members to identify people who would run it as a alpha user group | 22:10 |
| zehicle_at_dell | we said that we would start that program next week | 22:10 |
| zehicle_at_dell | We worked out an agreement with the driver testing team from Mirantis | 22:10 |
| zehicle_at_dell | that they would bring that code into RefStack | 22:10 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | and we also talked to Monty from the Infra team to start the process of getting a FOO.openstack.org domain | 22:11 |
| zehicle_at_dell | running the RefStack code started | 22:11 |
| zehicle_at_dell | FOO = TBD | 22:11 |
| zehicle_at_dell | outside of the board meeting, I also talked to Boris about considering if TCUP could be used as an alternate method of driver testing | 22:12 |
| zehicle_at_dell | that will take some community discussion | 22:12 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I think those are the the highlights | 22:12 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | question? | 22:13 |
| malini | Would like to comment from my attendance at the Operator Summit March 3 at eBay. | 22:13 |
| rockyg | kewl | 22:14 |
| catherine|2 | For the alpha user group, do they stand up their own RefStack? | 22:14 |
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| malini | Their action item was to get involved in filing bugs, joing blueprint discussions and stability stability" | 22:14 |
| malini | soo provide test use cases | 22:14 |
| rockyg | Excellent | 22:14 |
| malini | may be we should get them to help rank defcore tests/weights | 22:15 |
| zehicle_at_dell | we talked about the operator summit at the board meeting too - I was wondering if the operators would find the capabilities chart we are making helpful | 22:15 |
| zehicle_at_dell | malini, yes, that's what we want from refstack | 22:15 |
| zehicle_at_dell | the plan is to get the capabilities up on the website and start collecting results from TCUP | 22:15 |
| malini | I think so, there was also a sense of being excluded, free pass, credit for reviews/bugs | 22:15 |
| rockyg | we are thingking of having a voting method for identifying the most wanted/needed capabilities | 22:16 |
| zehicle_at_dell | then we will allow people to vote +/- on their preference for that capability | 22:16 |
| sarob_ | stefano and tom will work on the pass thing | 22:16 |
| zehicle_at_dell | how we score that will be interesting - will need a dedicated meeting to discuss | 22:16 |
| malini | nice -- voting :-) | 22:16 |
| sarob_ | i joined the storyboard meet this morning | 22:16 |
| sarob_ | providing more blueprint information and operator feedback is part of their plans | 22:17 |
| rockyg | It would also be great to get some alphas from the ops community. | 22:17 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I'm excited to see malini and sarob_ on! anyone else missed in the roll call? | 22:17 |
| malini | :-) thank you zehicle_at_dell ! | 22:18 |
| * sarob_ yip yip | 22:18 | |
| rockyg | I think a lot of the user community finds it difficult to follow blueprints beyond the blueprint and included links. Going off to reviews gets very confusing. We need a better feedback/discussion mechanism on bps | 22:18 |
| zehicle_at_dell | as a use-case, it would be great to link capabilities (which are from tests) back to blueprints | 22:19 |
| * zehicle_at_dell lasso we're a bit off topic | 22:19 | |
| * zehicle_at_dell sets_expectations that's likely for the next cycle after the summit | 22:20 | |
| rockyg | ok. let's get back on topic. last call for board meeting discussion | 22:20 |
| rockyg | Oops..I forgot to set topic. Dang. | 22:21 |
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| catherine|2 | About tests by alpha group, will they set up their own refstack? | 22:21 |
| rockyg | #topic project status | 22:21 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | alpha? | 22:22 |
| catherine|2 | we talk about have some group to test and collect results .. | 22:22 |
| rockyg | we need to provide either source or some sort of distro (zipped tar?) that will give them tcup and gui. | 22:23 |
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| catherine|2 | They can download refstack from github .. | 22:24 |
| rockyg | So let's see where we are on having a tcup we can hand out and the simple gui you guys put together. I know there was code check in but I haven't reviewed it yet. | 22:24 |
| catherine|2 | to their environment and test .. | 22:24 |
| rockyg | download will work as long as we can provide build instructions. Seems to me we want dev-ops, rather than just ops folks for alpha. | 22:25 |
| zehicle_at_dell | Josh worked out a a way to inject the dockerfile | 22:26 |
| zehicle_at_dell | and we have a kick.py to start it off | 22:26 |
| zehicle_at_dell | we made a specific design decision on Monday: | 22:26 |
| rockyg | Let's hear where we are then discuss what needs to get done to get a usable download. | 22:26 |
| zehicle_at_dell | 1) you clone the git repo | 22:26 |
| zehicle_at_dell | 0) install docker (I always forget 0) | 22:26 |
| zehicle_at_dell | 2) run the kick.py script | 22:27 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | 1.5) source openrc.sh | 22:27 |
| zehicle_at_dell | need coffee, I'm getting out of order | 22:27 |
| rockyg | zehicle_at_dell: also test results are in csv format | 22:27 |
| rockyg | I'll clean up the order numbers when I put on in the wiki ;-) | 22:28 |
| zehicle_at_dell | thanks | 22:28 |
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| davidlenwell | sorry im late guys | 22:28 |
| davidlenwell | reading scroll back now | 22:28 |
| rockyg | Where do the test come from? tempest repo? | 22:28 |
| sarob_ | let me know where to start, i can be an alpha tester | 22:29 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I think that we have some control over that | 22:29 |
| zehicle_at_dell | but I think the thought is to prefer a repo | 22:29 |
| rockyg | And we have to remember they are havana tests | 22:29 |
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| davidlenwell | caught up | 22:31 |
| davidlenwell | so it sounds like we are done with this topic | 22:32 |
| rockyg | The other question that will come up a lot is whether more packages will need to be loaded to the test vm to run refstack | 22:32 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | expect when we are going to have it | 22:32 |
| zehicle_at_dell | so, a little more time | 22:32 |
| rockyg | do you have any status to add? API or db schema? | 22:32 |
| zehicle_at_dell | we're still missing the config step | 22:32 |
| zehicle_at_dell | so the docker file gets the env variables | 22:33 |
| rockyg | Ah, yes. | 22:33 |
| zehicle_at_dell | and can run tempest, but we do not build the tempest config yet | 22:33 |
| zehicle_at_dell | the good news is that we don't have to do that in the container, we can just test it | 22:33 |
| zehicle_at_dell | and the container will read it out of the local diretory because of file mappings | 22:33 |
| rockyg | how? | 22:33 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: have you looked at the code that has merged today? | 22:33 |
| zehicle_at_dell | actually, it would create it from the code | 22:33 |
| zehicle_at_dell | no! joy? | 22:33 |
| davidlenwell | much joy | 22:34 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I'm behind then - can you give an update? | 22:34 |
| rockyg | Nope. Kewler. | 22:34 |
| * zehicle_at_dell catching up with day job | 22:34 | |
| davidlenwell | we've merged most of the changes from catherines team | 22:34 |
| davidlenwell | two are hung up and need rebase before they can pass tests.. but they have been fantastic about our nit picky changes | 22:34 |
| rockyg | +1 | 22:35 |
| davidlenwell | I'm hoping we can handle those today | 22:35 |
| catherine|2 | not all nit picky .. many are great suggestion .. | 22:35 |
| davidlenwell | yeah .. we had 3 piston folks code reviewing | 22:35 |
| davidlenwell | anyways if you guys will talk to me after in #refstack we'll get the rest in | 22:36 |
| davidlenwell | then josh has a patch that uses env variables and runs as root and is more secure | 22:36 |
| catherine|2 | we will talk to you after this ... David | 22:36 |
| davidlenwell | excelent | 22:36 |
| zehicle_at_dell | davidlenwell, so did we get those two parts glued together too? what's the delta once the patches land? | 22:37 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: not just yet .. will have to look at it after josh submits its for review | 22:37 |
| zehicle_at_dell | kk | 22:37 |
| davidlenwell | he was just telling me he had it working this morning | 22:37 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | I've been trying to get to it - maybe tomorrow | 22:38 |
| davidlenwell | So I have three open tasks.. | 22:38 |
| zehicle_at_dell | but that would let me start testing it | 22:38 |
| davidlenwell | one. update db schema to what was discussed a few weeks ago in our f2f | 22:38 |
| davidlenwell | two. write code for parsing results into score cards and indexable data | 22:39 |
| davidlenwell | three. redeploy the new version of refstack on refstack.org and set up ci for it .. so that it updates when stuff merges without me having to ssh in and do it manually | 22:39 |
| davidlenwell | I'm moving to the bay area next week and am packing like a mad man this week .. | 22:40 |
| rockyg | 1.5 get me the diagrams/schemas for archtecture and db | 22:40 |
| rockyg | Welcome! | 22:40 |
| davidlenwell | added to my list rockyg | 22:40 |
| davidlenwell | I am running a bit behind on a lot of things as a result .. but I am still putting in at least 6 hours a day and should get through at least the first one on my list before the weekend | 22:41 |
| rockyg | If we can get one and 2, can we run and get test results in csv form? | 22:41 |
| malini | davidlenwell welcome! other than the real estate prices, i like it here, moved 20 months back | 22:41 |
| davidlenwell | rockyg: im sure thats possible .. it might actually be easier than I am thinking as I think I might have already written that code and forgotten to commit it | 22:42 |
| rockyg | Great! we have critical mass for not just dev f2f but ops/training/docs f2f! | 22:42 |
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| rockyg | +2! | 22:42 |
| * zehicle_at_dell agenda_parking_lot driver testing UI work in RefStack | 22:42 | |
| davidlenwell | I just need to get my hands dirty on it tonight and I think its handled | 22:43 |
| rockyg | OK. Can we motve to next sprint work discussion? | 22:43 |
| zehicle_at_dell | so, tomorrow we should be able to do an integrated TCUP test | 22:43 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I'll block time for it tomorrow and hang out on #refstack | 22:43 |
| davidlenwell | oh another thing on my plate refstack related is that for some reason stackalitics stopped tracking our project .. need to fix that | 22:43 |
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| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: I think thats possible yes | 22:44 |
| zehicle_at_dell | coolio | 22:44 |
| davidlenwell | I'll make sure im around at least the first half of the day .. | 22:44 |
| rockyg | I'll be there if I remember. | 22:44 |
| zehicle_at_dell | stackalitics should be fixable considering Mirantis team coming over to play | 22:44 |
| davidlenwell | also .. worth mentioning | 22:44 |
| zehicle_at_dell | anyone from the Driver Test group? | 22:44 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: indeed | 22:44 |
| zehicle_at_dell | we should make sure to topic that | 22:45 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | it related to how we need to collect/track the capabilities -> tests map (was a brief topic from Monday) | 22:45 |
| rockyg | #topic work for sprint2 | 22:45 |
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| rockyg | Let's move davdlenwell's 3 to sprint 2 | 22:46 |
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| davidlenwell | so I just laid out 4 tasks on my plate | 22:46 |
| davidlenwell | if we count stackalitics | 22:46 |
| rockyg | If we get the the integrated tcup test running tomorrow, what are the next steps? | 22:47 |
| davidlenwell | rockyg: I'll make 1.5 part of 1 .. since I have a thing that will generate a diagram from sql | 22:47 |
| zehicle_at_dell | is anyone from Mirantis on the call? can someone take Stackalitics off davidlenwell plate? | 22:47 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: that would be ideal | 22:47 |
| rockyg | I can possibly get some help from Jerry here at Huawei. He did some stackalytics fixes for Compass | 22:47 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | hold off on that then and see if we can expand it - not urgent | 22:47 |
| zehicle_at_dell | rockyg, thanks. | 22:48 |
| davidlenwell | altho it will retroactively track stuff .. so its not like we need it in now | 22:48 |
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| rockyg | I've also reviewed some of the code. Pretty straightforward. | 22:48 |
| rockyg | Or I can jsut file a bug;-) | 22:49 |
| davidlenwell | yeah .. I am about to commit to it anyways to put some more piston people in the right files for tracking our stuff .. | 22:49 |
| zehicle_at_dell | what other work is in the queue to drop? | 22:49 |
| davidlenwell | so its not the end of the world if I just deal with it | 22:49 |
| rockyg | So. We have working integrated tcup. Next development needs? | 22:49 |
| davidlenwell | we need a remote execution thing | 22:49 |
| davidlenwell | right now tcup gets launched on the server thats running refstack | 22:50 |
| davidlenwell | which is fine for dev .. but won't scale | 22:50 |
| zehicle_at_dell | can we get the upload post working first? | 22:50 |
| rockyg | Ah. | 22:50 |
| davidlenwell | of course | 22:50 |
| davidlenwell | thats one of my list of three | 22:50 |
| davidlenwell | this is for after that | 22:50 |
| rockyg | 1. get post working | 22:50 |
| zehicle_at_dell | also, who's working w/ infra team on hosting the site? | 22:50 |
| davidlenwell | i fix database | 22:50 |
| zehicle_at_dell | (oh, we need to take poll for naming | 22:51 |
| davidlenwell | 2 get post working | 22:51 |
| zehicle_at_dell | ) | 22:51 |
| davidlenwell | naming what ? | 22:51 |
| rockyg | hosting refstack.org? | 22:51 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: right now im hosting it | 22:51 |
| zehicle_at_dell | refstack.openstack.org | 22:51 |
| davidlenwell | until there is governance | 22:51 |
| zehicle_at_dell | ok, that's enough for now -> let's move on | 22:51 |
| davidlenwell | so back to remote execution | 22:51 |
| rockyg | I can make some inquiries. what about Catherine and her team? What are they gonna do for sprint2? | 22:52 |
| zehicle_at_dell | FWIW, with the addition of the driver test, they want to accelerate getting it hosted by infra and a base name | 22:52 |
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| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: I'm all for that .. however until we're a little further along they aren't going to be happy about hosting us | 22:52 |
| davidlenwell | which brings me to something I should share | 22:52 |
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| rockyg | Lemme look into the infra hosting, too. | 22:53 |
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| davidlenwell | we sort of got bashed last night in the infra room | 22:53 |
| davidlenwell | rockyg: I'm in close contact with them and have good relationships with the team | 22:53 |
| rockyg | OK. | 22:53 |
| davidlenwell | rockyg: I've already broached the subject of them hosting it .. | 22:53 |
| davidlenwell | I don't think it will be a problem | 22:53 |
| zehicle_at_dell | sounds like a topic | 22:53 |
| davidlenwell | but right now we aren't built right | 22:53 |
| davidlenwell | so they were bashing us for our use of docker.. one of them tolt me we arne't very openstacky | 22:54 |
| davidlenwell | #topic infra hosting us | 22:54 |
| davidlenwell | we need a scaleable testing model | 22:54 |
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| davidlenwell | I plan to use gearman for that .. run a pool of workers to run tests | 22:55 |
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| davidlenwell | its pretty much how they are used to doing things | 22:55 |
| rockyg | It's one of the selling points of refstack-- you don't have to build a new stack to run it against your openstack.... | 22:55 |
| davidlenwell | we'd also have to write a bunch of puppet stuff in order for them to be able to host it | 22:56 |
| davidlenwell | everything they deploy is puppet | 22:56 |
| davidlenwell | piston is close to hiring someone mostly to work for the infra team .. | 22:56 |
| davidlenwell | once we do I can make that his first assignment | 22:56 |
| davidlenwell | I think we can get there in the next two sprints .. but we shouldn't spend a lot of time bothering them about it until we are ready | 22:57 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | +1 | 22:57 |
| rockyg | +1 | 22:57 |
| davidlenwell | in the mean time.. I can talk to catherine|2 after this about what tasks her team has time for .. | 22:58 |
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| catherine|2 | davidlenwell: yes we are here ... | 22:58 |
| zehicle_at_dell | last call for topics.... | 22:58 |
| davidlenwell | they aren't assigned to this project full time so we might loose 1 or all of them anytime now .. so I'd like to figure out how to use them as best we can | 22:58 |
| catherine|2 | really want to get the last 2 commits in .. | 22:58 |
| rockyg | I'd like to take some of this discussion over to #refstack (with malini if possible) to get more detailed planning. | 22:58 |
| zehicle_at_dell | we'll have to carry integrating Driver Test & DefCore Reports to next meeting | 22:59 |
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| davidlenwell | sounds good | 22:59 |
| zehicle_at_dell | oh, for the record. I think we decided to create a config file (type to be decided) that has the test -> capabliitiy mapping | 22:59 |
| rockyg | yup. | 22:59 |
| zehicle_at_dell | that would allow us to manage/version it in the repo very easily | 22:59 |
| davidlenwell | exactly | 23:00 |
| zehicle_at_dell | we may need to have different ones per OSrelease | 23:00 |
| zehicle_at_dell | since they are going to drift per release | 23:00 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: I think we will | 23:00 |
| zehicle_at_dell | ok, +1 | 23:00 |
| davidlenwell | or a json structure in the file that allows lots of versions | 23:00 |
| rockyg | I'd like to publicize the bps, the launchpad site and the wiki for the ops folks interested | 23:00 |
| zehicle_at_dell | since there are >1000 tests already | 23:00 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I'd rather not create an endlessly growing file | 23:01 |
| zehicle_at_dell | would be harder to maintain | 23:01 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: thats fine | 23:01 |
| davidlenwell | we | 23:01 |
| davidlenwell | 'we'll come up with a clean way of naming them | 23:01 |
| rockyg | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/RefStack | 23:01 |
| davidlenwell | okay .. lets end and move ofer to #refstack | 23:01 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | I've got to sign off - I'll join there tomorrow | 23:01 |
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| rockyg | #link https://launchpad.net/refstack | 23:02 |
| zehicle_at_dell | great meeting everyone! progress is great | 23:02 |
| rockyg | #endmeeting | 23:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 6 23:02:27 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-03-06-22.02.html | 23:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-03-06-22.02.txt | 23:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-03-06-22.02.log.html | 23:02 |
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