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| zns | startmeeting satori | 15:00 |
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| zns | #startmeeting satori | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 3 15:00:14 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zns. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: satori)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'satori' | 15:00 |
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| adrian_otto | good morning | 15:00 |
| zns | Hi. Who's here? | 15:00 |
| caleb_ | o/ | 15:01 |
| zns | Hi adrian_otto | 15:01 |
| adrian_otto | o/ | 15:01 |
| jasonpgignac1 | o/ | 15:01 |
| hhoover | o/ | 15:01 |
| gondoi | o/ | 15:01 |
| samstav | o/ | 15:01 |
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| zns | In a minute, we'll start with review of the action items from last time: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/satori/2014/satori.2014-02-24-15.00.html | 15:02 |
| zns | #topic Review Action Items | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: satori)" | 15:02 | |
| zns | caleb_: would you start with an update of no. 1? | 15:02 |
| caleb_ | "cgroom include a base set of generic opinions to spec" - I updated the blueprint with text that says we will provide a set of base opinions. | 15:03 |
| caleb_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Satori/OpinionsProposal | 15:03 |
| caleb_ | minor stuff really | 15:04 |
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| zns | Cool. Next is comments on that and then implementation. Any idea on when implementation can start? | 15:04 |
| gusmaskowitz | o/ if it's not too late. | 15:04 |
| caleb_ | If we're agreed on the proposal I can start coding it today | 15:04 |
| zns | Hi gusmaskowitz . And hi everyone else (explicitly) :-) | 15:04 |
| zns | caleb_: sounds good. So comments would need to come in ASAP if anyone has any. | 15:04 |
| jasonpgignac1 | Are we providing info level opinions? | 15:05 |
| jasonpgignac1 | Or will that be a future change if we need it? I know we've discussed this offline. | 15:05 |
| caleb_ | jasonpgignac1: No `info` opinions right now. I'm still looking for a decent use case for those. | 15:05 |
| jasonpgignac1 | Agreed, then | 15:05 |
| zns | jasonpgignac1: but we did say we would include a base set of generic ones in satori that can be enabled by the user and the ability to add your own through plugins. | 15:06 |
| zns | Item 4 (2 and 3 included): I add the spec https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Satori/PluginsProposal, but not implemented yet. | 15:06 |
| jasonpgignac1 | zns: Yes, what I am referring to is an additional valid status of 'info' to go with 'ok', 'warning', and 'error' | 15:06 |
| caleb_ | I have an update on that too | 15:06 |
| caleb_ | We merged in some placeholder implementation | 15:07 |
| caleb_ | #link https://github.com/rackerlabs/satori/pull/12 | 15:07 |
| zns | I can also start implementing today. I know this one could take more comments; I have seen different plugin mechanisms in openstack | 15:07 |
| caleb_ | start by cleaning that up :) | 15:07 |
| zns | Will do. | 15:08 |
| caleb_ | oh | 15:08 |
| adrian_otto | it sounds like an opinion is actually a policy | 15:08 |
| caleb_ | and actually I just crossed two blueprints | 15:08 |
| adrian_otto | is there a reason it is referred to differently? | 15:08 |
| zns | I should probably also document that we're doing system-info plugins separately. Separate from discovery or collection plugins. | 15:08 |
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| caleb_ | I did a partial implementation of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/satori/+spec/poc-system-info and zns is talking about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/satori/+spec/satori-plugin-support. Sorry for the confusion. | 15:09 |
| zns | adrian_otto: referring to policy and opinion differently? | 15:09 |
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| adrian_otto | zns: yes, is there a difference? | 15:09 |
| jasonpgignac1 | adrian_otto: I could be wrong, but doesn't a policy imply a course of action? | 15:09 |
| adrian_otto | the action may just be notify | 15:09 |
| jasonpgignac1 | Opinions are descriptive, policies are prescriptive? | 15:09 |
| jasonpgignac1 | Ah, ok. | 15:09 |
| zns | We never had the term "policy" in mind... and we didn't really discuss the name. | 15:10 |
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| zns | Policy has an enforcement air about it... we've not included that in our scope for the project. | 15:10 |
| jasonpgignac1 | Is policy used elsewhere in openstack? | 15:10 |
| zns | Rule is also a possibility. | 15:10 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so I don't suggest we waste a lot of time discussing how things are named, but we might want to think about whatever is simple so people understand coming in with a more shallow learning curve | 15:10 |
| adrian_otto | rule would be more obvious too | 15:11 |
| caleb_ | should we take an action to ask potential users or contributors about naming? | 15:12 |
| gusmaskowitz | I discussed the satori concept with two techs this morning and the idea of applying an opinion onto some data you collect was a simple concept to grok. | 15:12 |
| adrian_otto | "policy" will probably be used elsewhere in various command and control systems. I'm not aware of current use of that term. | 15:12 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, fair enough. | 15:12 |
| zns | adrian_otto: fine with opinion? We can better document it. | 15:13 |
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| adrian_otto | this can be solved with additional descriptive text as we document. | 15:13 |
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| zns | #action caleb_ to better document the choice of the word opinion | 15:14 |
| jasonpgignac1 | Agreed. A 'Terminology' page is probably a good one to add to the docs todo list, in general | 15:14 |
| samstav | Isn't there really two parts to the mechanism? The (1) data you collect adheres to some standard (we have referred to this sometimes as just "system info"), and (2) the *opinion* would be the output. Some of the terminology we are discussing might be defining both of these together | 15:14 |
| zns | I've called the first part "collection" and the second "analysis". I think collection is a common term in this space. | 15:15 |
| adrian_otto | jasonpgignac1: +1 | 15:15 |
| zns | Any volunteers to add a Terminology page? | 15:15 |
| gusmaskowitz | gusmaskowitz I am | 15:15 |
| gusmaskowitz | I am still queued to add some docs that I got help with last week, so happy to add a terminology page too. | 15:16 |
| zns | And, to add another dimension, we have control plane discovery (APIs) and data plane discovery (logging on to the devices). | 15:16 |
| caleb_ | Is that IRC 3rd person? | 15:16 |
| jasonpgignac1 | I can take terminology. | 15:16 |
| gusmaskowitz | I am a second language english speaker okay :) | 15:16 |
| zns | #action gusmaskowitz Add Terminology page | 15:16 |
| zns | Thanks, gusmaskowitz | 15:16 |
| gusmaskowitz | Afrikaans for the win! :P | 15:16 |
| jasonpgignac1 | Ack, too slow. The foreigner got it. | 15:16 |
| jasonpgignac1 | ;) | 15:16 |
| adrian_otto | gusmaskowitz: just pass it to jasonpgignac1 for a tune up when you have a draft up | 15:17 |
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| zns | Cool. Any more thoughts, questions on the opinions spec? | 15:17 |
| adrian_otto | it's not hard to fix up something once you ahve a draft | 15:17 |
| adrian_otto | question | 15:18 |
| adrian_otto | are groups optional or required? | 15:18 |
| caleb_ | adrian_otto: required. | 15:18 |
| zns | adrian_otto: groups? | 15:19 |
| jasonpgignac1 | Opinion groups, I think he means | 15:19 |
| caleb_ | zns: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Satori/OpinionsProposal | 15:19 |
| adrian_otto | opinions = { | 15:19 |
| adrian_otto | 'opinion_group1': { | 15:19 |
| adrian_otto | 'opinion1': { | 15:19 |
| zns | Ah... | 15:19 |
| adrian_otto | I suppose making them required simplifies the parsing logic | 15:19 |
| samstav | Why numbers and not an array? | 15:20 |
| jasonpgignac1 | Any non-trivial implementation of Satori is likely to have enough opinions that organizing them into subject groups is likely to be helpful. | 15:20 |
| zns | And it will provide a namespacing mechanism if there are multiple opinions plugins loaded. | 15:20 |
| adrian_otto | are they likely to be grouped in the general case? | 15:20 |
| caleb_ | samstav: Names, not numbers so its a dict | 15:20 |
| zns | I suppose they could be an array. Would we then need some kind of scoping field? Like applies-to: [DNS, ...] | 15:21 |
| jasonpgignac1 | I prefer the current structure. | 15:21 |
| caleb_ | zns: Don't like an array. | 15:21 |
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| caleb_ | the `0` and `1 ` references are resource ids | 15:22 |
| samstav | I didn't realize those numbers represented device ids | 15:22 |
| caleb_ | in reality those are probably UUIDs from nova | 15:22 |
| caleb_ | or the other services | 15:22 |
| zns | Are there any rules to the group names? For example, can two plugins write opinions and put them in the same group? | 15:22 |
| adrian_otto | caleb_ those will be uuids, so we should tweak the example to show that | 15:23 |
| caleb_ | #action caleb_ add UUIDs to the opinions example | 15:23 |
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| zns | Should they be URIs? I can see discovery span more than one region (or even cloud). | 15:23 |
| caleb_ | thats interesting | 15:24 |
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| caleb_ | +1 to that idea. adrian_otto, what do you think? | 15:24 |
| adrian_otto | caleb_: that's interesting… because... | 15:24 |
| adrian_otto | having a URI there is a prevailing REST style (HATEOS) | 15:25 |
| adrian_otto | but OpenStack does not currently use that style | 15:25 |
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| adrian_otto | the APIs are more loosely coupled tahn that | 15:25 |
| caleb_ | would using it create any problems within the community? | 15:25 |
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| adrian_otto | telying on knowledge of the relations rather than allowing machine parsed relations among members of a resource map | 15:26 |
| zns | If we're discovering application topologies, I can see a common use case where you back up to swift on another provider or cloud. The resources should be globally locatable. It doesn't have to necessarily be in the ID, as long as a link somewhere has the full URI. | 15:26 |
| jasonpgignac1 | How about splitting the difference, and namespacing with an arbitrary id? | 15:26 |
| caleb_ | jasonpgignac1: then you need a lookup table of those IDs and the URI. | 15:26 |
| adrian_otto | technically speaking I think the HATEOS style would make more sense for this use case | 15:26 |
| zns | adrian_otto: so URIs? | 15:27 |
| adrian_otto | where each node in the resource map has a URI | 15:27 |
| jasonpgignac1 | caleb_: Or you just use the information inside the data structure for actual discovery. | 15:27 |
| adrian_otto | I suggest exploringthat first | 15:27 |
| zns | If the resources are an array, then we don't need an id, just the id and URI in the body of each. | 15:27 |
| adrian_otto | becuse it's easier to take that out later if you must… rather than adding it in as a necessity later. | 15:27 |
| zns | Otherwise, we need a unique key for each resource. | 15:27 |
| adrian_otto | zns: yes | 15:27 |
| zns | But searching sucks. You have to loop over all of them to find the one you want. | 15:28 |
| adrian_otto | so if you are persisting them, you can use a uuid as the id you use to persist them | 15:28 |
| adrian_otto | otherwise, you can use a URI, and you will not have a compulsion to persist the ourput | 15:28 |
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| adrian_otto | because creation time is an input to the uuid generation algorithm | 15:29 |
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| zns | So URI might be the best choice for the id. I also think that we might discover a resource more than once (ex. a shared database used in two apps), so the ID should be the same in both instances. So my vote is for a URI. | 15:29 |
| adrian_otto | and with a URI, you can make any scheme that | 15:29 |
| adrian_otto | zns: +1, but expect that you may need to revisit that at some point | 15:30 |
| zns | OK. | 15:30 |
| caleb_ | zns: +1 | 15:30 |
| zns | OK. | 15:30 |
| caleb_ | agreed that things can change | 15:30 |
| zns | #agreed use URI to identify resources | 15:31 |
| caleb_ | it would be trivial to implement either way and we don't have any promised contract to uphold at this point | 15:31 |
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| zns | Back to opinion groups (recognizing we are slightly off agenda, but this is a good discussion. And I'll circle back to the agenda later). | 15:32 |
| caleb_ | #action caleb_ change opinions example to URI keys | 15:32 |
| caleb_ | zns: I think an opinion should be able to write into any namespace | 15:32 |
| zns | So what are opinion groups? Are they fixed, namespaceable? Ex. satori:foo, tax:foo ? | 15:32 |
| zns | rax | 15:32 |
| zns | caleb_: an opinion module/plugin, right? | 15:33 |
| adrian_otto | could groups also be accomplished using tags? | 15:33 |
| caleb_ | yes | 15:33 |
| jasonpgignac1 | I think the purpose of the opinion groups is semantic namespacing. | 15:33 |
| adrian_otto | so you would tag the node oyu want to relate to a group | 15:33 |
| caleb_ | I'd recommend an opinion author stick to their own namespace unless they have a good reason to extend another. | 15:33 |
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| adrian_otto | or both tagging and grouping in the way that is currently proposed… could both be used in combination? | 15:34 |
| jasonpgignac1 | I think we are to add tagging it should be in combination - grouping is a useful for the purposes of parsing and iteration, both machine and human. | 15:34 |
| samstav | jasonpgignac agreed | 15:34 |
| zns | As a UI developer, I would like to have opinions have a uniquely referencable id. Otherwise, I'll probably have to generate my own on the client. | 15:35 |
| jasonpgignac1 | zns: Do you mean each instance of an opinion, or each class? | 15:36 |
| jasonpgignac1 | To clarify: | 15:36 |
| caleb_ | zns: would "opinion_group1"->"my_opinion" be considered unique? | 15:36 |
| zns | jasonpgignac1: each opinion. | 15:36 |
| zns | That's relevant because we have opinions showing under both opinions and resources in the spec. | 15:36 |
| jasonpgignac1 | Do you mean you want an id to apply to 'Opinion on whether or not there is too much foo', or... | 15:36 |
| jasonpgignac1 | An id to apply to 'On Server Y, there is X% too much foo' | 15:36 |
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| zns | jasonpgignac1: I'm not looking for a global ID always the same for that opion - to be clear. I just want the opions to have IDs within a discovery document. | 15:37 |
| jasonpgignac1 | I'm not partial to that, personally. Many users will simply store this as BSON, or a similar nested document. | 15:38 |
| adrian_otto | zns: might one option to be to make a hash of that section of the JSON? | 15:38 |
| jasonpgignac1 | The individual opinions are part of a nested structure. If you as a developer wish to break up that structure into some normalized network of objects, I'd leave that to the vagueries of your implementation. | 15:39 |
| zns | It makes it easy to reference in UI code and to reference in other systems (ex. an action list system that would generate tasks in response to specific opinions, especially warnings and errors). | 15:39 |
| caleb_ | To build on jasonpgignac1's idea. Should we add an ID to opinions. e.g: {'id': 'MYNAMESPACE00001', 'title': 'Foo Amount', 'status': 'Ok', 'description': '56% of foo'} | 15:39 |
| caleb_ | similar to pep8, pylint rules | 15:39 |
| caleb_ | they have IDs | 15:39 |
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| gondoi | caleb_: +1 i like it... although would we store those rules in the wiki... or actually i guess in the docs dir | 15:40 |
| jasonpgignac1 | caleb_ Yes, I like the RULE having an id, just nto the instance of its execution. | 15:40 |
| zns | adrian_otto: a hash would work. That could then be used to calculate the ID. A hash that includes the message, group, and resource. | 15:40 |
| adrian_otto | zns: but it might change if you include a timestamp in the body | 15:40 |
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| adrian_otto | so perhaps that would be somewhat restrictive | 15:41 |
| jasonpgignac1 | Then we can have a strictly defined namespace for publicly released/developed rules, and then set aside a numeric id block for use for private plugins implementation specific rules | 15:41 |
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| caleb_ | I'm proposing a pylint-like consistent ID determined by opinion writer. zns and adrian_otto are discussing computer generated IDs. Which should we use? | 15:42 |
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| samstav | both | 15:42 |
| zns | adrian_otto: that's OK. It depends on the use case. If the use case is to be able to reference an opinion from inside the discovery or from an external system, a hash would work. If the intent is to provide an identifier to the rule, then not. Those are two valid, but separate use cases. | 15:42 |
| jasonpgignac1 | Caleb_ implementation thumbs up. Autoid thumbs down - too specific to the use case. | 15:43 |
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| zns | I'm talking about the former. I think the pep-like rules conversation is the latter. | 15:43 |
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| adrian_otto | caleb_: yes, I am thinking that satori may find things that the opinion writer did not explicitly request by id | 15:43 |
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| adrian_otto | so until it does that, there may be no need for a generated id | 15:43 |
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| zns | caleb_: I think those are both valid use cases. | 15:43 |
| caleb_ | adrian_otto, zns: Can we agree to implement static now and revisit if a use case presents itself? | 15:44 |
| adrian_otto | fine with me | 15:44 |
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| zns | adrian_otto: how would that happen? Anything we find would be written as a rule. And we're saying a rule should have an identifier (like PEP and pylint). | 15:45 |
| adrian_otto | perhaps there is logic in one of the modules to look for additional things | 15:46 |
| zns | caleb_: what is static? Is that the pep-like rule IDs or the opinion identifiers? | 15:46 |
| adrian_otto | I suppose that might be discouraged for this reason | 15:46 |
| samstav | static -> pep-like rule Ids | 15:48 |
| zns | samstav: yes. And that would be hard-coded in the rule code. | 15:48 |
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| zns | So we're saying we don't want to generate IDs unique to each opinion generated? (yet) | 15:49 |
| jasonpgignac1 | zns: Agreed | 15:49 |
| caleb_ | thats my PoV | 15:49 |
| zns | OK. Could we call that rule-id instead of id then? | 15:49 |
| jasonpgignac1 | zns: Agreed with that, too | 15:49 |
| caleb_ | +1 | 15:49 |
| samstav | I don't need feedback on this immediately, but I want to document two thoughts. (1) What if an opinion's logic gets updated? Does it change version, or does its ID change? and (2) What about opinions that will only be measured if certain configurations are found? e.g. opinions that will only be applied to certain topologies | 15:50 |
| zns | Who's up for speccing that? | 15:50 |
| caleb_ | samstav: Create a blueprint | 15:50 |
| caleb_ | zns: I can update the existing spec with rule-id | 15:50 |
| caleb_ | time check: 10 minutes remaining | 15:50 |
| jasonpgignac1 | samstav: If the logic is updated to refine it, but it is still answering the same question, don't change the id. If it changes to answer a different question, change the id | 15:51 |
| zns | #action caleb_ write spec for rule-ids in opinions (like PEP and PYLINT rule numbers) calling it [something-]id to allow for future opinion identifiers | 15:51 |
| zns | Cool. Back to agenda then. | 15:51 |
| zns | gusmaskowitz: item 5 update? | 15:51 |
| gondoi | that applies to me as well... | 15:51 |
| jasonpgignac1 | And me. | 15:52 |
| caleb_ | 5-8 are all the same. | 15:52 |
| zns | I also think 5,6,7 roll into 8 | 15:52 |
| gondoi | I sent in some super basic changes to the docs | 15:52 |
| caleb_ | We gave that task to EVERYBODY | 15:52 |
| zns | Yep. All gusmaskowitz :-) | 15:52 |
| gondoi | they described basic contribution steps and locations of code/docs | 15:52 |
| gondoi | although | 15:52 |
| zns | pinging gusmaskowitz | 15:52 |
| jasonpgignac1 | I compiled a list of the docs that we ought to write. I will submit that today. | 15:52 |
| zns | samstav: while gusmaskowitz wakes up? | 15:52 |
| gusmaskowitz | I'm writing the docs. was doing that now actually sorry I was not here | 15:52 |
| gondoi | now that we are merged into stackforge those need to change since they described github workflow | 15:52 |
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| zns | gondoi: agreed. Which reminds me - status update... | 15:53 |
| zns | #info We're in stack forge! | 15:53 |
| gondoi | WOOHOO | 15:53 |
| zns | git review, everyone :-) | 15:54 |
| caleb_ | In summary, there has been activity from everybody, some has landed in the repo, some have not. Yes? | 15:54 |
| zns | samstav: action 9? | 15:54 |
| jasonpgignac1 | #action jasonpgignac - I will doc how to submit with the new system | 15:54 |
| samstav | I experimented with a catch all, disable via --debug. | 15:54 |
| samstav | err | 15:54 |
| zns | samstav: so being implemented? | 15:54 |
| samstav | correct. This would be the standard mode | 15:55 |
| caleb_ | samstav: I think that should have a blueprint | 15:55 |
| zns | samstav: I agree with caleb_ - would you create a blueprint? | 15:55 |
| samstav | sure | 15:55 |
| caleb_ | samstav: Sorry, we should have pointed that out last week | 15:56 |
| zns | So I'll push doc action items to next week as well... | 15:56 |
| zns | #action gusmaskowitz will update docs for pypi and http://satori.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ | 15:56 |
| gusmaskowitz | yes | 15:56 |
| gusmaskowitz | I got help on the docs from a "information developer" last week. | 15:56 |
| zns | #action samstav catch exceptions in CLI so we don't stack trace (consider --debug mode allowing exceptions through to allow for debugging) + blueprint | 15:56 |
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| zns | #action zns implement plugins own establishing the connection to start with, but we provide a built-in ssh module that they can use | 15:57 |
| gusmaskowitz | I did not know how to properly write what this is all about. Merging that info this week. | 15:57 |
| zns | Another update. Guido updated pep-257 last week on our request and I'm going to write gating code for that in stackforge. Please mind your docstrings. | 15:57 |
| zns | The update was no longer requiring the extra blank line in multi-line docstrings. | 15:58 |
| caleb_ | Everybody should go back over the how to contrib to OpenStack docs again to level-up your Gerrit skills | 15:58 |
| caleb_ | All good? | 15:59 |
| zns | Also, the gates may not all be working 100% as I have not tested our stack forge config, so please allow some latitude while we firm that up. | 15:59 |
| zns | caleb_: yes | 15:59 |
| gondoi | #info https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Gerrit_Workflow | 15:59 |
| zns | Allright, we're out of time. Thank you all for joining. Good discussion! | 15:59 |
| jasonpgignac1 | caleb_: Will do. Anyone who notices important gotchas to doc, please let me know | 15:59 |
| zns | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| dguitarbite | #startmeeting training-manuals | 17:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 3 17:05:42 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dguitarbite. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 17:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_manuals' | 17:05 |
| dguitarbite | rollcall | 17:05 |
| dguitarbite | smemon92: | 17:06 |
| dguitarbite | there? | 17:06 |
| smemon92 | yes | 17:06 |
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| dguitarbite | anyone else here | 17:07 |
| dguitarbite | ? | 17:07 |
| matjazp | hi guys | 17:07 |
| dguitarbite | matjazp: hi | 17:07 |
| smemon92 | hi | 17:07 |
| dguitarbite | sean and colin are busy with operators sprint today | 17:07 |
| matjazp | ok | 17:07 |
| dguitarbite | matjazp: anything you want to discuss? | 17:08 |
| matjazp | dguitarbite: hmmm.. not that I remember | 17:08 |
| dguitarbite | #topic moodleapp | 17:09 |
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| smemon92 | dguitarbite: what about moodle authentication module ? | 17:09 |
| dguitarbite | matjazp: I heard from Sean that you have some experience with Moodle | 17:09 |
| matjazp | yes, we use it at our Faculty for all materials | 17:10 |
| matjazp | you have some troubles with it? | 17:10 |
| dguitarbite | smemon92: Moodle 2.6 does not support Launchpad auth, Sean came up with Google/Yahoo (I'm not sure) plugin for moodle auth | 17:10 |
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| dguitarbite | matjazp: just need to know if you use Launuchpad Auth | 17:10 |
| smemon92 | dguitarbite: ohk, cool | 17:10 |
| matjazp | no, LDAP (MS AD) | 17:11 |
| dguitarbite | matjazp: Our test moodle deployment is here http://os-trainingquiz.aptira.com/ | 17:11 |
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| matjazp | you have trouble with Lounchpad integration? | 17:11 |
| dguitarbite | ok, any advice on which should work best for Open online Quiz ? | 17:11 |
| dguitarbite | yes, Launchpad Integration is not possible with moodle2.6 | 17:12 |
| matjazp | dguitarbite: best for what? regarding scalability? | 17:12 |
| dguitarbite | atleast with the plugins I was checking around | 17:12 |
| dguitarbite | nope, for the end-users to authenticate and attempt the quizzes | 17:12 |
| dguitarbite | scalability and other things will be covered by infra modules, mostly will be written in Puppet | 17:13 |
| matjazp | yes, if I remember correctly, some plugins are VERY old... | 17:13 |
| matjazp | I'm afraid that there's no way around some PHP development | 17:14 |
| dguitarbite | matjazp: yep, so we are thinking of Email authentication ... but the problem is there is no feedback system to link it with other existing OpenStack services like ask.openstack.org, etc. | 17:14 |
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| matjazp | I can ask a bit aroud if there is someone that tackeld this problem | 17:14 |
| dguitarbite | thanks, that would help a lot | 17:15 |
| dguitarbite | smemon92: any ideas on this ? | 17:15 |
| smemon92 | dguitarbite: not now | 17:15 |
| dguitarbite | #action matjazp look into moodle authentication | 17:15 |
| dguitarbite | #action dguitarbite: host moodle on infra by 10th March | 17:16 |
| dguitarbite | #link http://os-trainingquiz.aptira.com/ | 17:16 |
| dguitarbite | #topic developer guide | 17:17 |
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| dguitarbite | we need to burn some trello cards | 17:17 |
| dguitarbite | matjazp: do you want to contribute XML code? Or can spare some students/research assistants for the same? | 17:18 |
| dguitarbite | smemon92: I need you to assign some trello cards to yourselves and implement them, could you get some time for it | 17:18 |
| smemon92 | dguitarbite: I will help you with XML code | 17:18 |
| dguitarbite | ? | 17:18 |
| smemon92 | yeah sure , I will | 17:19 |
| dguitarbite | #action smemon92 burn some trello cards for developer guide | 17:19 |
| matjazp | dguitarbite: I'm a bit swamped at the moment... You guys track actions on Trello board? | 17:19 |
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| dguitarbite | matjazp: yes, ill give the link, one sec | 17:20 |
| dguitarbite | #link https://trello.com/b/XaRTBVGq/openstack-training | 17:20 |
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| matjazp | aha ok. I see. will look at it. I will definitely look into Moodle-Launchpad issue | 17:22 |
| dguitarbite | matjazp: thanks | 17:22 |
| dguitarbite | colinmcnamara: hi | 17:22 |
| colinmcnamara | hey pranav | 17:22 |
| colinmcnamara | prahnav (sorry, spelling sucks) | 17:23 |
| dguitarbite | lol, np | 17:23 |
| colinmcnamara | Sean is running the OpenStack ops summit, I'm at ONS. | 17:23 |
| colinmcnamara | busy busy | 17:24 |
| dguitarbite | colinmcnamara: yep, I had a word with Sean, he was travelling some time back. | 17:24 |
| dguitarbite | ONS? | 17:25 |
| dguitarbite | any more thoughts on developer guide? | 17:25 |
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| dguitarbite | any other things to discuss? | 17:26 |
| smemon92 | dguitarbite: I am done | 17:27 |
| matjazp | nope.. | 17:27 |
| dguitarbite | ok, thanks smemon92 matjazp | 17:27 |
| dguitarbite | #endmeeting | 17:27 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 3 17:27:26 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-03-03-17.05.html | 17:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-03-03-17.05.txt | 17:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-03-03-17.05.log.html | 17:27 |
| matjazp | ONS=Open Networking Summit? | 17:27 |
| dguitarbite | goodmorning/afternoon/night | 17:27 |
| dguitarbite | matjazp: may be | 17:27 |
| smemon92 | bye | 17:27 |
| matjazp | bye | 17:28 |
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| woodster1 | #startmeeting barbican | 20:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 3 20:04:39 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is woodster1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:04 |
| SheenaG_ | Who all is here for the Barbican meeting? | 20:04 |
| redrobot | o/ | 20:05 |
| woodster1 | Hello folks, running the meeting today as Jarret is't available | 20:05 |
| lisaclark1 | o/ | 20:05 |
| atiwari | o/ | 20:05 |
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| hockeynut | o/ | 20:05 |
| woodster1 | Just an FYI that we hope to be approved for incubation tomorrow | 20:05 |
| woodster1 | We are also due for an M3 release this week | 20:06 |
| woodster1 | We'll be stepping through some of the 'new' blueprints in front of that to assign a milestone to them | 20:06 |
| woodster1 | It seems the main new feature for M3 is the containers work | 20:07 |
| SheenaG_ | Are there any blockers on that? Have all the containers related PRs landed? | 20:07 |
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| chadlung | o/ | 20:08 |
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| woodster1 | The main containers CR did land | 20:08 |
| woodster1 | See https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70189/ | 20:08 |
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| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70189/ | 20:09 |
| woodster1 | I believe other blueprints such as the orders re-do will not make M3 | 20:09 |
| atiwari | woodster just for fyi..., I have stared on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/barbican/+spec/api-orders-add-more-types | 20:09 |
| woodster1 | atiwari: That sounds good. I think other blueprints such as this one will need to be implemented in the Juno releases then. | 20:10 |
| jvrbanac | o/ | 20:10 |
| redrobot | atiwari, can you assign the blueprint to yourself in launchapd | 20:10 |
| atiwari | what is time line for M3 | 20:10 |
| redrobot | atiwari, right now it looks like it's still open for someone to grab | 20:10 |
| woodster1 | M3 is March 6th | 20:10 |
| woodster1 | That is a feature freeze milestone | 20:11 |
| lisaclark1 | feature freeze is technically tomorrow, string freeze on the 6th | 20:11 |
| woodster1 | So the order revamp, KDS, etc. will be good to flesh out via the blueprints | 20:11 |
| woodster1 | Does anyone see concerns with this approach though? | 20:12 |
| redrobot | soooo, regarding M3 feature freeze, do we still want to get DogTag into this cycle? https://www.openstack.org/vote-atlanta/Presentation/dogtag-and-barbican-open-source-key-management | 20:12 |
| woodster1 | hgedikli: Please let weigh in if you can as well | 20:12 |
| atiwari | woodster can you please assign #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/barbican/+spec/api-orders-add-more-types to me | 20:13 |
| atiwari | it is not letting me to do so | 20:13 |
| woodster1 | #action: Update blueprint to assing atiwari: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/barbican/+spec/api-orders-add-more-types | 20:13 |
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| woodster1 | redrobot: I think the idea is to freeze new features for the final Icehouse release. If new work continues, it would probably need to be able to be disabled. | 20:15 |
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| redrobot | i suppose we could also argue that a new plugin is not a new barbican feature ... | 20:15 |
| * redrobot shrugs | 20:15 | |
| redrobot | alee was asking about dogtag progress earlier, but it seems he didn't make it to this meeting | 20:15 |
| woodster1 | that is true, as long as it doesn't require a change to the plugin interface | 20:16 |
| redrobot | it will need a change to the plugin interface though | 20:16 |
| redrobot | as we discussed during keystone hackathon | 20:16 |
| atiwari | 3* for link https://www.openstack.org/vote-atlanta/Presentation/dogtag-and-barbican-open-source-key-management | 20:17 |
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| woodster1 | I believe that was to allow for plug ins that can encrypt and store simultaneously…I think that change could be on the barbican side exclusively without need to change the interface, but we should revisit that before M3 this week. | 20:18 |
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| woodster1 | atiwari: Ha, thanks for that plug! | 20:18 |
| woodster1 | Well, that was it for agenda topics this week I believe. Does anyone have any other issues to bring up at this point? | 20:19 |
| atiwari | woodster we also need to hash out #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/barbican/+spec/secret-isolation-at-user-level | 20:19 |
| atiwari | replied to jraim's comments | 20:20 |
| atiwari | in #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/secret-isolation-at-user-level | 20:20 |
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| woodster1 | atiwari: I think implementing that feature for Icehouse would be problematic for the official master branch, but we should continue to flesh out that blueprint for sure | 20:21 |
| atiwari | no I am thinking of Juno | 20:22 |
| woodster1 | Oh I see. Then I do see both time to flesh out the blueprint, as well as possible design summit meetings once barbican is incubated | 20:22 |
| woodster1 | atiwari: it might be helpful to add specific REST-type call examples to that blueprint | 20:23 |
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| atiwari | ok | 20:23 |
| woodster1 | Does anyone have other topics that we should cover now? | 20:23 |
| atiwari | I am good | 20:24 |
| woodster1 | Ok then, I think we can wrap up this meeting. Thanks all for participating! | 20:24 |
| woodster1 | #endmeeting | 20:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:24 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 3 20:24:36 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:24 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-03-03-20.04.html | 20:24 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-03-03-20.04.txt | 20:24 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-03-03-20.04.log.html | 20:24 |
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