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rkukurairenab: Normal users can create a neutron port and pass it in, so that's where we need something other than admin access, right?13:16
irenabbaoli: I hope on Wed13:16
baoliIrenab, cool!13:16
baoli#topic binding:profile BP13:17
baolirkukura, can we talk about this BP now?13:17
rkukuraI'd like to see the access policy resolved and specified in the BP. Also maybe something about whether binding:vnic_type is implemented in the PortBindingMixin for the other plugins now vs. later13:17
rkukurahttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ml2-binding-profile13:17
irenabrkukura: as I see it, talking about future (not currently implemented) normal user will ask vnic flavor (something that admin defines) and this will have vnic_type inside13:18
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irenabso I think that normally regular user should not ask for vnic_type, but not sure that this is the only reason for putting vnic_type as stand alone attribute13:19
baoliIrenab, maybe we can discuss user friendly interface after we have hands free?13:20
baolirkukura, one question I have with this BP is is it going to persist the binding:profile as part of its contents?13:21
irenabbaoli: agree, just need to decide now where vnic_type lends, thats all13:21
baoliirenab, sure, I just suggests that we take a close look at the policy.json offline.13:22
irenabrkukura: I have only one question  regarding the other plugin that use profile already. Do you expect any impact there?13:23
rkukurairenab: I think your BP makes sense, and we can go with it, or using binding:profile if we decide we don't need non-admin-user access.13:24
rkukuraAny feedback on the BP for implementing binding:profile for ML2?13:24
rkukurabaoli: The ML2 plugin will persist the contents of binding:profile, probably by serializing the dictionary13:24
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irenabrkukura: so no impact on other plugins that use binding:profile?13:25
baolirkukura, are all the properties predefined, or I guess there will not be individual collums for each property since MD can add their own properties?13:25
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rkukura_lost my freenode connection - missed everything after saying "baoli: The ML2 plugin will persist the contents of binding:profile, probably by serializing the dictionary"13:27
baoliFrom Irenab: so no impact on other plugins that use binding:profile?13:27
baoliFrom baoli: are all the properties predefined, or I guess there will not be individual collums for each property since MD can add their own properties?13:27
rkukura_my thinking is to make the plugin implementation open-ended so any MD can look for any key's it needs13:28
rkukura_s/key's/keys/13:29
rkukura_no change to other plugins' implementations of binding:profile should be needed, right?13:29
irenabrkukura: going forwad I'll need to change Mellanox  plugin to use vnic_type wherever it is defined. Currently it is on binding:profile :-)13:30
baolirkukura, I was just wondering how the persistence is done. By serializing, you mean to say that it will be saved as an object in a single column13:31
baoliirenab, I'm confused. Are you saying vnic_type will be binding:profile:vnic_type?13:32
rkukura_Unless those other plugins are supporting PCI passthru13:32
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irenabbaoli: no, I am saying it is currently so for Mellanox Plugin13:32
rkukurafreenode kicked me off again|-)13:33
irenabnot Mech Driver that is going to be13:33
baoliI see13:33
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rkukuramissed whatever was before "irenab:  baoli: no, I am saying it is currently so for Mellanox Plugin"13:34
irenabThe only Plugin supporting PCI passthrough for now I think is the Mellanox, and going forward we will have Mech Driver13:34
irenabrkukura: my statement  was answer to your question13:35
irenab- Unless those other plugins are supporting PCI passthru13:35
rkukuraok13:35
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irenabrkukura: will it be possible later today to have short talk to clarify where vnic_type is going to be added?13:36
rkukurairenab: sure13:37
irenabrkukura: maybe before neutron weekly?13:37
rkukuraworks for me13:37
baolisure13:37
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rkukuraany issues with the binding:profile BP?13:37
baoliIrenab, what time? Can we exchange emails before that to clarify the issue?13:37
baolirkukura, can you clarify how the persistence is going to be done?13:38
irenabbaoli: hope so, I have to be OOO after this meeting for ~4 hours13:38
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baoliirenab, ok13:39
rkukurabaoli: Was thinking the dictionary would be serialized as JSON and stored in a text field.13:39
baolirkurkua, thanks for the clarification.13:41
irenabrkukura: unce update is needed, it will rewrite the whole profile?13:41
irenab^once13:41
rkukurairenab: yes - That's what I mean by "In updates, the new value will completely replace the previous value, with no attempt to merge new and existing dictionary items."13:42
irenabrkukura:ok13:42
baolirkukura, when do you think that you can have a class defined for it and we can see how the interface is going to be?13:43
rkukurabaoli: Do you mean how the MDs would access it?13:43
baolirkukura, I think that other BPs will have dependencies on both binding:profile and binding:vif_details13:44
rkukuraAn MD would access it using PortContext.current[binding:profile]13:44
rkukuraThe PortContext is passed to the MD in bind_port() as well as the other port-related methods13:45
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baoliIf different MDs require different properties in binding:profile, and the need to coexist, how is that done?13:46
rkukuraSo something like context.current['binding:profile']['pci_slot']13:46
rkukuraSince binding:profile is an input, all MDs can do is read values of keys in the attribute, right?13:47
irenabrkukura: more that one MD can have its fields in profile, on the same time, right?13:47
rkukurairenab: correct13:48
baolirkukura, how are the keys getting defined? Also, when happend with port-update to update the binding:profile?13:48
baolisorry s/when/what/13:48
rkukuraI think keys would be defined as constants within portbindings.py13:49
rkukuraThe BP mentions 3 possibilities for relationship between updating binding:profile and the port binding process13:50
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irenabbaoli, sadasu: I think we need some SRIOVBaseMechDriver as rkukura suggested to deal with PCI slot13:51
rkukuraOne option would be to reject updates when the port is already bound. A 2nd is to unbind/rebind on update13:51
rkukuraThat 2nd option is kind of similar to what happens currently if binding:host_id is updated.13:52
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irenabrkukura: different fields can have different  policy for update?13:52
rkukuraThe 3rd option, if needed, would be to call into the bound MD to see if update should be allowed and/or current binding invalidated13:53
rkukurairenab: Do you mean different top-level attributes, or different keys within binding:profile?13:53
sadasumy preference is 3rd option13:53
baoliprobably we can look at each property and see what makes more sense13:54
irenabrkukura: I mean binding:profile13:54
sadasudifferent keys within binding:profile13:54
rkukuraSo the 3rd option lets the handling of updates be based on the specific changes13:54
rkukurai.e. which keys, or what in the keys is changing13:54
irenabrkukura: I am for 3rd option13:54
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baolirkukura, that sounds better.13:55
rkukura3rd option certainly has flexibility, but it adds some complexity, and I've got a bit of a reservation about its actual usefullness13:55
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sadasurkukura: agreed. But certainly allowing all updates to take place when in bound state is not a possibility esp for pci-passthrough case13:56
irenabrkukura: if we add vnic_type into binding:profile, it should not be changed once bound13:56
baoliWe should consider the work flow and individual properties supported in binding:profile, and make a decision13:56
irenabbaoli: I think PCI slot may change13:57
rkukuraThe reservation actually could apply to the 2nd or 3rd options - the issue is that the ML2 plugin could go ahead and rebind, picking a new MD, but there isn't currently a way to push that to nova and have it redo the GenricVIFDriver based on the changes13:57
baoliOk, time is almost up. what time do we resume for the short discussion?13:57
baoliWe need to talk about dependecies among the BPs, and when they will be available.13:58
irenabCan we have it one hour before neutron meeting?13:58
rkukurabefore we are out of time, want to mention that I had an IRC chat with Nachi Ueno regarding https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/vif-details13:58
sadasuirenab: because of the limitation rkukura just mentioned, we cannot update PCI slot information after bound13:58
sadasuirenab: time is fine for me13:58
baoliutc 2200?13:58
baoliutc 2100?13:59
irenabutc 20:0013:59
baolithat sounds good to me14:00
rkukuraNachi has been doing the VIF security stuff, and I'm proposing he use binding:vif_details. He has some concerns about open-ended vs. fixed set of keys. He said he would followup in the email thread, but hasn't yet.14:00
irenabutc 2100 is neutron meeting14:00
baoli#endmeeting14:00
irenabrkukura: are you ok with utc 20:00 today?14:01
rkukuraI'm available hour before neutron meeting - where will this discuss be?14:01
sadasurkukura: will look at this other BP and send questions to the list14:01
rkukurasadasu: thanks14:01
irenabmeeting-alt?14:01
sadasuwill look at channel availability and update list?14:01
rkukurano idea if the channel is available then14:01
rkukuraok14:02
irenabthanks, see you later14:02
baoliSure, let's try this channel at utc200014:02
rkukurabye14:02
baolibye14:02
sadasuthanks...bye14:02
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sarob#startmeeting training-manuals17:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Feb  3 17:00:09 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'training_manuals'17:00
sarobRoll call17:00
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sarob#operations guide rough draft published17:02
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sarob#topic operations guide rough draft published17:03
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sarob#topic moodle implementation plan due 08feb17:04
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sarob#topic 2014 push to get commercial use up17:06
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sarob#topic rough draft developer guide out march17:06
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sarob#topic any other business17:07
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dguitarbitehello17:07
sarobHey17:07
dguitarbiteam I late?17:07
sarobBit17:07
dguitarbitemy apologies17:08
sarobNp17:08
dguitarbitein a remote location in India a bit difficult to get internet17:08
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sarobHow's the moodle plan going17:08
sarobReady by the end of the week?17:08
dguitarbitedid Salman give you any info on it17:08
dguitarbite?17:08
sarobNot that I have seen17:09
dguitarbiteok17:09
sarobDid I miss an email?17:09
smemon92dguitarbite No sorry i am waiting for u17:09
dguitarbitecan you make it by 14th Feb ?17:09
sarobOkay17:09
dguitarbiteas I am busy with training till 11th and will need at least a few days to finalize it17:09
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sarob#action smemon92 dguitarbyte moodle implement plan17:10
dguitarbiteas of now Moodle app needs a seperate database (launchpad auth is not working properly)17:10
sarobsarob #action smemon92 dguitarbyte moodle implement plan 14feb17:10
dguitarbiteit has inbuilt email notification for new registrations etc. etc.17:11
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dguitarbitesarob: do you need me to talk to infra guys about it before 14th?17:11
sarobNp get it right rather than too fast17:11
smemon92with email registration moodle is working fine17:11
sarobProbably a good idea17:11
dguitarbitesarob: kool17:11
dguitarbite#action dguitarbite talk to openstack-infra team about moodle17:12
sarobLaunch pad auth would be way preferred17:12
dguitarbiteok, but launchpad auth module for moodle is way outdated and broken17:12
smemon92sarob: ok17:12
dguitarbiteunless you can get some php dev. to fix it17:12
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sarobThat's one of the things for infra17:13
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sarobBut tell them we want it17:13
sarobJust need help17:13
dguitarbiteyep17:13
sarobOnce you start the conv17:14
sarobWith infra17:14
dguitarbiteyes17:14
sarobI'll discuss with collier17:14
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sarobSo Sina17:14
sarobIsn't returning my email17:14
dguitarbiteok, I will try to contact him once I'm done with Training17:15
sarobI'd like to start commercial support17:15
dguitarbiteI dont know if he is working or on leave as of now17:15
sarobBut I need to know what Commerical needs17:15
sarobOkay17:15
dguitarbiteyes, sure17:16
sarobTiming is good to get mirantis and cisco17:16
sarobInvolved17:16
sarobJust need a bit of a plan17:16
dguitarbitewell, always good time to get more people involved17:16
dguitarbiteok, what about Hastexo?17:16
sarobStacklabs too17:17
dguitarbitekool17:17
sarobWe should start some cards on backlog17:17
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sarobOf commercial uses17:17
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dguitarbiteyep, give me till end of Feb ... lets chart the plan out in early March. I will try to get Sina's feedback. Most prob. he is super busy, even I have'nt talked to him for 2 weeks17:18
dguitarbitenow17:18
dguitarbiteI have another commercial training during 15th or 16th of Feb17:19
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sarob#action sarob dguitarbite commerical customers plan late feb 201417:19
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sarob#info commercial training targets aptira hastexo cisco stacklabs mirantis17:20
sarobAnything else?17:21
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dguitarbiteI'm done17:21
sarobIdeas on developer guide sources?17:21
sarobI'll have to get my devref code running17:22
dguitarbitenot yet, working on it17:22
sarobCan you share your ideas?17:23
dguitarbiteyes17:23
dguitarbiteas of now, to get to OpenStack dev.17:23
dguitarbiteby following existing Wikis17:23
sarobMindmeister map?17:23
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sarobTo brainstorm17:23
sarobFollow wikis17:24
dguitarbitesure17:24
sarobSo mine the wikis for details or training users?17:24
dguitarbiteI mean that to follow wikis and start developing OpenStack, good amount of knowledge is required about various tools, languages etc. etc.17:25
sarobAh okay17:25
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dguitarbiteso need to fill in the gaps by creating appropriate documents and rest is well covered by wikis :)17:25
sarobI'll create a mindmap and share17:25
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dguitarbitealso need to have noobs guide to setup dev env , virtualenv so on and so forth17:26
dguitarbiteyes17:26
sarobI'm going to work on yahoo using guides for training our own17:26
dguitarbiteI think to create good developer training we will have to work lot harder17:26
sarobAgreed17:26
sarobI'll need a rough draft by the end of the month17:26
dguitarbiteend of this month is not possible17:27
dguitarbitei have only 4 days of break between two commercial training's17:27
sarob#info sarob working on yahoos to use training guides for internal Openstack training17:27
dguitarbitethis month17:27
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sarobI'll take on the work if you help a bit with the ideas17:28
sarobDeal?17:28
dguitarbitedeal17:28
sarobCoolo17:28
sarob#action sarob create developer guide mindmap and share with team17:28
smemon92i'll also work on it17:29
sarob#action developer guide rough draft out by end of feb201417:29
sarobThanks17:29
dguitarbiteyep, I will start adding ideas on mindmap17:29
sarobI'm going to run to a meeting17:29
dguitarbitesure17:30
dguitarbitegood day, bye17:30
sarobYou'all have a good evening17:30
smemon92bye17:30
dguitarbitethanks17:30
dguitarbitebye smemon9217:30
sarob#endmeeting17:30
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openstackMeeting ended Mon Feb  3 17:30:36 2014 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)17:30
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sarobCheers guys17:30
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jraim#startmeeting barbican20:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Feb  3 20:00:49 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jraim. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'barbican'20:00
jraim#topic DDOSing Freenet is for losers20:01
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jraimAlright, anyone here for the Barbican meeting?20:01
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hgedikliyes20:01
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arunkantyes20:01
warlord_yo20:01
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hockeynut:-o20:01
reaperhulkI am here20:02
hockeynutje suis ici20:02
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jraimCool, looks like we have a quorum20:02
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jraimSo the only agenda item that i have on my list is our readiness for incubation20:02
jraimThe status is here20:02
jraim#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Barbican/Incubation20:02
jraimAnd I believe that we have everything landed sans the devstack stuff which in in progress20:03
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chadlung   Barbican's entry to DevStack PR: https://review.openstack.org/7051220:03
jraimSo just to dispense with this quickly, does anyone know of anything still outstanding for our incubation request tomorrow?20:03
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jraim#agreed Barbican will come up for our incubation vote tomorrow20:04
jraimyay20:04
redrobot#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Barbican/Incubation20:04
reaperhulk:D20:04
redrobotderp, just saw jraim had already put that up there20:04
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jraimOkay, I saw that hgedikli is here and some other folks20:04
jraimso I'll open the fllow20:04
jraim*floor20:04
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jraimdoes anyone have any issues they'd like to discuss?20:04
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jraim#info ::crickets::20:05
kris_hhi all20:05
kris_hKris here from IBM20:05
jraimhi kris_h20:05
kris_hI am still waiting for the final step of our contributor process20:05
hockeynutHi Kris (from an ex-IBMer)20:05
kris_h/ hey :)20:06
kris_hto be able to initiate the enc-at-rest for Swift20:06
hgediklijraim : are we expecting rsa stuff to be in icehouse release?20:06
jraimhgedikli: I think it would be lovely, but we don't have a lot of time to land it20:06
kris_hand there one of the module is to for coupling with Barbican -- so I will bug you to help me polish that part once out20:06
jraimthat work woudl have to land by March 6th to be a candidate for icehouse release20:06
jraimkris_h: that's great news, we're happy to help whenever you guys are ready20:07
jraim#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Icehouse_Release_Schedule20:07
jraimhgedikli: so in short, if we are happy with the state of things by the 6th, we can land it and it'll be part of the icehouse release20:08
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woodsterhgedikli: Do you mean related to this CR?: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70189/20:08
jraimreaperhulk: have you looked at this?20:08
jraim#link http://sourceforge.net/projects/lunamech/20:08
hgedikliwoodster: yes and rsa key generation20:09
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reaperhulkYeah, I was pointed that way this morning. I haven't had a chance to look at the configuration options it exposes, but it may be useful for automated configuration for our own deployments.20:09
reaperhulkOf course, we don't configure new HSMs all that often so we'll see what it gains us20:09
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woodsterit would be good for folks to weigh in on that CR to at least get RSA key storage squared away20:10
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jraim#action reaperhulk will look at lunamech to see if it would be useful to add to barbican20:10
jraimwoodster: agreed20:10
woodsterI think the rsa key *generation* part might be the more difficult one to land by March 6th20:10
redrobotI liked the idea of having a separate repo for the API, has there been any updates on that front?20:10
hgedikliwoodster: after the CR is complete,next step will be working on order api for key generation20:11
redrobotit would be useful to document the Containers api related to hgedikli's PR20:11
hgedikliagreed20:11
jraimredrobot: I thought I saw that ayoung put in a request for that20:11
hgedikliredrobot: i'll update the blueprint w same request/response20:11
jraimnot sure where it is though20:11
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hgediklisample20:11
dstufftlunamech is apparently not on PyPI20:11
jraimdstufft: boo20:12
jraimI guess we could package it if it is useful20:12
codekobethe link shows lunamech as "first working version"20:12
jraimcodekobe: yuck20:12
jraimokay, it might be lame20:13
jraimwe'll see20:13
codekobewith a single commit on 7/20/201320:13
dstufftjraim: ew20:13
dstufftGPLv3+20:13
dstufftlunamech is20:13
jraimgarg20:13
jraimokay20:13
jraim#agreed folks will comment on hgedikli 's patch20:14
* dstufft is mostly here to ruin people's day with packaging woes20:14
jraimany other issues we should discuss while everyone is here?20:14
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jraimalright then. Everyone back to #openstack-barbican :)20:14
jraim#endmeeting20:14
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