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kgriffsPublic service announcement: Marconi meeting starting in ~5 minutes14:54
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flaper87yo yo15:01
flwango/15:01
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kgriffs \o\15:01
kgriffs /o/15:01
kgriffs\o/15:01
* flaper87 wonders where Cindy is15:01
kgriffswho else is here?15:01
kgriffsfor marconi?15:01
flaper87All for marconi, marconi for all15:02
kgriffsanyone from Racklanta?15:02
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flaper87ametts: wwwwwwwwwwwweeelllllcome15:02
ametts:D15:03
kgriffsametts: go tell Amit to wake up and get back in his chair. :D15:03
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flaper87ametts: tell him to get back to his chair and then to wake up15:03
* kgriffs beams Amit some coffee15:04
flaper87I think that'll be more efficient15:04
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ametts:) Will do.  We had an outage with our backup product last night, so he's probably chasing some things down related to that.15:04
kgriffsamitgandhi: w00t!15:04
amitgandhiyup =/15:04
flaper87ametts: things or people ?15:04
kgriffsamitgandhi: sorry to hear that15:04
amitgandhiindexes15:04
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* kgriffs breaths a sign of relieve that it wasn't *his* code that caused the outage15:04
flaper87kgriffs: are you sure about that?15:05
flaper87really really sure?15:05
flaper87:D15:05
* kgriffs at least, not *this* time, heh15:05
kgriffsuh15:05
* kgriffs ducks15:05
flaper87anyway, lets get this party started15:05
kgriffsmy pleasure15:05
kgriffs#startmeeting marconi15:05
openstackMeeting started Mon Dec  2 15:05:51 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is kgriffs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:05
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:05
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'marconi'15:05
kgriffs#topic review actions from last time15:06
*** openstack changes topic to "review actions from last time (Meeting topic: marconi)"15:06
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kgriffs#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2013/marconi.2013-11-18-16.09.html15:06
kgriffsflaper87: you're up first15:07
flaper87damnit15:07
kgriffsI can't remember what you were supposed to talk to him about...15:07
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flaper87kgriffs: you shouldn't be surprised by the fact that I don't remember it either15:07
flaper87:D15:07
* kgriffs vows to write better action items in the future15:07
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flaper87kgriffs: ahhh15:08
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flaper87I think I remember15:08
flaper87it's about the API15:08
flaper87and the specs, extensions and versioning15:08
* flaper87 reads the logs15:08
flaper87anyway, I haven't so, we can move on15:08
flaper87lets re-add the action item15:08
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flaper87no, it was about the sdk15:09
kgriffsmaybe JMS?15:09
flaper87and the client15:09
flaper87:D15:09
kgriffsah15:09
kgriffsthat's right15:09
kgriffssharing ideas about client design15:09
flaper87so, my memory works after all15:09
flaper87I just need to fix my brain's indexes15:09
kgriffs#action flaper87 to get in touch with Everett Toews and share ideas about client design15:09
kgriffsAlej isn't here15:10
flaper87:(15:10
kgriffsamitgandhi: ?15:10
kgriffsdo you know if Alej is going to be available this week?15:10
amitgandhiinformed him15:10
amitgandhihe is signing in15:10
kgriffsah15:10
amitgandhihe didnt know the 10am change (EST)15:10
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kgriffssorry about the calendar invite - I updated an instance, not the recurring, so that is probably why he didn't know15:11
alcabrerao/15:11
kgriffsalcabrera: ni hao!15:11
alcabreraI miscalculated the UTCs while catching up on 300+ emails. :P15:11
alcabreraThought I had one more hour, heh.15:11
kgriffsno worries15:11
kgriffshave you had a chance to talk with the heat team?15:12
alcabrerano15:12
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kgriffsalcabrera: do you have bandwidth to do that this week?15:12
* alcabrera considers this15:13
* kgriffs upgrades alcabrera to 10g15:13
flaper87alcabrera: HELLOOOOO15:13
* alcabrera considers with greater bandwidth15:13
alcabrera:D15:13
alcabreraflaper87: heeeey!15:13
amitgandhikgriffs: probably not15:13
kgriffskk15:13
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amitgandhiwe can maybe look at adding it to the next sprint15:13
kgriffsanyone else interested in taking this action item?15:13
kgriffsamitgandhi: when does that start?15:14
alcabrerayeah, I'm pretty full up on wrapping some things up15:14
flaper87kgriffs: I can re-take it and dig a bit more15:14
flaper87I'm not sure I'll be able to do anything significant on it, though15:14
flaper87(like real coding)15:14
kgriffsflaper87: ok. You have some Heat contacts in Red Hat, right?15:14
* alcabrera gives flaper87 the heatz and a pop tart15:14
amitgandhii think it should be starting on thursday (meeting invites are messed up due to holiday)15:14
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flaper87but at least I can take some time to figure out what we need to do and write an etherpad15:14
kgriffsflaper87: we just need someone to spec out the work15:15
flaper87kgriffs: I do15:15
kgriffskk15:15
flaper87kgriffs: PTL + several devs15:15
kgriffssweet15:15
alcabrerathanks, flaper87!15:15
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flaper87alcabrera: my pleasure :)15:15
kgriffs#action flaper87 to spec out heat integration blueprint15:16
kgriffs#action kgriffs to play with swob15:16
kgriffsI still need to do that15:16
* flaper87 wonders why is it that kgriffs is always playing15:16
* flaper87 hides15:17
alcabreralol15:17
flwangI can do some work about heat as well maybe15:17
flaper87flwang: awesome, thanks a lot!15:17
flwangmy colleague is heat core member15:17
flaper87flwang: if you've some bandwidth then I can hand that action over to you15:18
flaper87:D15:18
flwangI'm waiting for some low-hanging-fruit :)15:18
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flaper87flwang: no time for that, lets attack dinosaurs15:19
kgriffs#action flwang to work with flaper87 to figure out what templates we want to do for marconi15:19
flaper87:D15:19
flwangso it would be nice if there is any good man tell me how big it's15:19
flaper87it's like this big: | |15:19
flwang=-O15:19
kgriffsflwang: I imagine we will want a template to create some queues, also one to deploy Marconi itself15:20
flwangi'm just a little boy :)15:20
flwangkgriffs: i see.15:20
flwangthanks for the clarification15:20
flaper87flwang: jokes apart, it'll require some work because we need to create templates for it and we need to make them sqs compliant as well15:20
kgriffsre deploying marconi, I will put you in touch with Oz who architected Rackspace's deployment for some tips15:20
flaper87Oz++15:20
kgriffsk15:21
kgriffslet's see what else15:21
kgriffsalcabrera to work on sharding feedback and get it approved15:22
alcabrerathat's still in progress15:22
alcabreraI'll give it some proper attention today, now that I'm refreshed with a much needed break.15:23
kgriffsthe main patch got merged, tho, right?15:23
alcabrera:)15:23
flaper87remaining patches are about to be merged15:23
alcabrerayeah, patch #1 in that sequence15:23
kgriffsok15:23
flaper87I just had one last tiny comment in one of Zyuan patches15:23
alcabreraafaik, queue listing and caching still need to get in15:23
flaper87and I just saw he worked on that15:23
kgriffslet's get the queue listing and caching ones merged15:23
flaper87so, I guess we can get them in today15:23
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kgriffsI need to rebase the cache ones15:23
alcabreraI'll take a look at those patches after this meeting15:24
kgriffsamitgandhi: is Zhihao in teh house?15:24
kgriffsalcabrera: thanks!15:24
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alcabrerakgriffs: zyuan is here15:25
kgriffs#action everyone to get remaining sharding patches merged15:25
alcabrerahe's occupied at the moment, though.15:25
kgriffskk15:25
kgriffsmoving on15:26
kgriffs#topic Future of the home doc15:26
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kgriffsSo, json-home RFC is alive and well, according to mnot15:26
kgriffshe is working on a new draft to replace 03, which has expired15:26
flaper87kgriffs: btw, dunno if you went through openstack-dev emails15:26
flaper87I raised this issue upstream: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-November/020289.html15:26
kgriffsflaper87: not yet since I got back15:26
kgriffsah, cool15:27
flaper87and since keystone guys are using a similar approach, I asked them what would be the effort needed to use json-home there as well15:27
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flaper87instead of what they're using15:27
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flaper87they agreed on shipping it along with what they have for now and see how it works15:27
flaper87obviously, I don't think it'll have a priority higher than 'underground'15:28
flaper87but at least we got json-home 'out there'15:28
kgriffsok, can you nudge them towards Mark N. ?15:28
flaper87and some folks agree that it's the right thing to use15:28
kgriffsI think we he would love the feedback15:28
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flaper87kgriffs: I did15:28
kgriffsrock on15:28
flaper87and also the other way around15:28
flaper87Mark -> openstack-dev thread15:28
kgriffscool15:29
flaper87so, json-home FTW15:29
kgriffsThe standard will be more likely to succeed if it is based on real-world needs/usage15:29
kgriffskk15:29
kgriffsrelated: bug15:29
flaper87also, I noticed we're defining query params in our home document15:29
* kgriffs looks that up15:29
flaper87the RFC explicitly says that query params are optional and shouldn't be part of the url15:30
flaper87at least I thik I read that15:30
flaper87I'd like to have a way to specify custom query params and headers, though.15:30
kgriffsflaper87: hmm. Let me check on that. I probably just read that is was a URI template and assumed any part of URI templates was fair game15:30
kgriffsflaper87: we may want to add extensions to json-home if we can't convince Mark to add them to the spec15:31
kgriffsflaper87: as long as they are extra fields, not changes to fields, should be OK15:31
kgriffsbut, if we need them, other people probably do to, so we should lobby for them to go into the spec15:31
flaper87yeah, exactly15:32
kgriffs#action kgriffs to confirm whether or not query params are ok in json-home URI templates15:32
flaper87I got the feeling that the rFC has a strong opinion about query params15:32
flaper87and the fact that they shouldn't be there15:33
flaper87We could aregue that15:33
flaper87argue15:33
kgriffsok, I will follow up15:33
kgriffsso, related: https://bugs.launchpad.net/marconi/+bug/124565615:33
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kgriffsI added a comment to the bottom of the bug15:34
flaper87kgriffs: cool, thanks15:34
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kgriffsMr. Vollero in teh house?15:34
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flaper87kgriffs: don't think so15:34
kgriffsflaper87: do you think he would cry if we reassign?15:35
* kgriffs doesn't like to make people cry15:35
flaper87kgriffs: don't think so15:35
kgriffsok15:35
kgriffsflwang: interested in picking this one up?15:35
flwangyep, sure15:35
kgriffsw00t15:35
kgriffsthanks, man15:35
kgriffs#link http://paste.openstack.org/show/53559/15:36
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flwangthank you :)15:36
kgriffsflwang: ^^^ That should explain the problem and solution pretty well15:36
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kgriffshmmm. Paste seems to be slow today15:36
flwangkgriffs: got, but seems it's owned by Francesco Vollero already15:37
kgriffsreassigned. :D15:37
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kgriffs#action kgriffs to re-target bps and bugs to Icehouse milestones15:38
flwangI assume i'm not hijacking15:38
kgriffsnope15:38
flwang:P15:38
kgriffsno worries15:38
kgriffs#topic Doc generation15:39
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kgriffsso, just wanted to get everyones thoughts on the priority for getting at least basic marconi docs going15:39
flaper87+115:39
alcabrera+115:39
alcabreraI'd love to get those going.15:40
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flaper87so, I think we should document base classes extensibly and build docs out of that15:40
alcabreraFor whatever tiny amount of bandwidth I have available this week.15:40
flaper87Mark did that with oslo.messaging and docs came out pretty cool15:40
kgriffsok15:40
flaper87also, re auto-generate sample config files15:40
flaper87that's blocked by this bp: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/+spec/improve-config-discovery-for-docs15:40
flaper87because we're not using global configs15:41
kgriffsalcabrera: can you create a blueprint and assign it to a milestone and then I will prioritize it?15:41
alcabreraflaper87: I'd like to take it a step further than that. At least a front page introducing the marconi docs, something I'd feel good about reading on RTD if I knew nothing about marconi. :D15:41
alcabrerakgriffs: will do15:41
kgriffsthere may already be a bp, but it is probably really old and could use some TLC15:41
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kgriffsalcabrera: there is an "open stack way" to generating docs iirc15:41
flaper87alcabrera: oh, cool!15:41
kgriffsI'm not familiar with the details15:41
flaper87kgriffs: correct15:41
flaper87kgriffs: classes + sphix and upload it to docs.openstack.org15:42
alcabrerathere's three doc-related BPs atm: docstring-catchup, docstring-add-types, http-redirects-for-docs15:42
alcabreraI'll add one more15:42
kgriffskk15:42
kgriffsalcabrera: you can ping Anne Gentle - she is docs PTL, isn't she?15:42
flwangany plan to add the api details to api site?15:42
alcabrerakgriffs: that's correct15:42
alcabreraI'll check with her before I run off and start anything. :)15:43
kgriffsalcabrera: kk, she's a Racker so should be easy to lookup her contact info15:43
alcabreracool15:43
flwangkgriffs: like http://api.openstack.org/api-ref.html15:43
kgriffsalcabrera: excellent, thanks!15:43
kgriffsflwang: it would be great to get on that page; we may not be allowed to do that until we graduate, however15:43
kgriffsalcabrera: ^^^ I guess you can ask about that15:43
flwangkgriffs: got15:44
kgriffswe can put some stuff on readthedocs in the meantime15:44
alcabrerakgriffs: adding a note on the BP I'm drafting to address the API page. :)15:44
alcabreraflwang: thanks for bringing that up!15:44
flaper87kgriffs: mmh, I'm not sure about RTD15:44
flaper87tbh15:44
flaper87I'd prefer to wait a bit more before uploading it there15:45
flaper87I don't want people to be confused as to where the docs are and stuff15:45
kgriffsflaper87: good point. I just thought of it because ceilometer did that15:46
flaper87kgriffs: oh, mmh, interesting15:46
flaper87I didn't know that15:46
kgriffswell, first step is to get them generating15:46
flaper87yeah15:46
kgriffswe can worry about publishing later15:46
flaper87and then we'll figure out what to do15:46
alcabrera#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/basic-docs15:46
flwangmay be it's stupid, is the rst dev doc including?15:46
alcabreradrafted15:46
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flaper87flwang: not sure what you mean :(15:47
kgriffsamitgandhi: can you see if there is time in your next sprint to work this doc stuff in?15:47
kgriffsif not, we can shoot for first thing in january15:48
flaper87kgriffs: I'd leave the remaining topics for next week, we've got 10mins left15:48
flwangthe dev docs associated with source code15:48
flaper87and I don't want to rush those discussions15:48
flaper87:D15:48
amitgandhiits unlikely to get in15:48
kgriffsflaper87: ah, come on. Don't you want to have a 3 hour meeting?15:48
flaper87concurrency and notifications, that sounds like liters of coffee15:48
flaper87kgriffs: ah sure, in that case, lets keep it going15:48
flwangflaper87: just like https://github.com/openstack/glance/tree/master/doc15:48
flaper87:D15:48
amitgandhibut we can discuss at planning...15:49
flaper87flwang: ah yeah, that's what this bp is about15:49
flaper87writing RSTs15:49
flaper87code docs15:49
flaper87and generating those15:49
kgriffsamitgandhi: ok, the docs stuff isn't super high priority, but I would like to have it done sometime by the end of Jan15:49
kgriffsalcabrera: ^^^15:49
flwangflaper87: cool, got it15:49
amitgandhiok sure , we'll make sure its in the backlog15:49
alcabreracool15:50
kgriffsthanks!15:50
alcabreraIt's critical for the sake of wide-spread marconi advocation efforts, but I know other things have higher priority atm15:50
alcabrera(It's -> basic docs)15:50
flwangalcabrera: +115:51
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kgriffsalcabrera: I will make it a high priority for I3, If we get it done in I2, great!15:52
alcabrerasounds good, kgriffs.15:53
kgriffsamitgandhi: notifications discussion, is that something you are OK waiting on until next week?15:53
amitgandhii would like to discuss this week on #marconi if possible15:54
kgriffsok15:54
flaper87amitgandhi: lets set a day and hour15:54
flaper87kgriffs: alcabrera ^15:54
amitgandhiwe need to start nailing down some parts of the api so that some internal stuff mirrors it15:54
kgriffsthis channel isn't scheduled for several hours, so we could do it now if everyone has time15:54
kgriffsotherwise, we will need to reschedule15:54
amitgandhii have time15:55
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flaper87kgriffs: lets reschedule, I've got a call in 515:55
flaper87:(15:55
kgriffsok15:55
flaper87tomorrow15:55
kgriffsflaper87: do you have time today or should we try for tomorrow?15:55
flaper87same time ?15:55
alcabrera+1 for tomorrow15:55
alcabrerasame time works for me15:56
alcabrerathat being.... 1500 UTC?15:56
flaper87alcabrera: correct15:56
alcabrerayup, works for me15:57
alcabrerakgriffs, amitgandhi: ^15:57
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amitgandhisure15:57
flaper87awesome15:57
kgriffsok, let's do that15:58
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kgriffs#action everyone to participate in notifications breakout tomorrow, Dec 3, at 1500 UTC in #openstack-meeting-alt15:58
kgriffs#topic open discussion15:58
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flaper87o/15:58
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* kgriffs calls on flaper8715:59
flaper87I just wanted to share this marconi_ws hack I worked on yday: https://github.com/FlaPer87/marconi-websocket15:59
flaper87It's a POC for websocket and it currently just proxies our public wsgi API15:59
alcabreraI've had it sitting in a browser tab all this morning. Great work, flaper87!15:59
amitgandhinice!16:00
flaper87I'll now clean it up and it'll be ready to be used as another transport for Marconi16:00
flaper87:)16:00
flaper87gtg guys, I'll share more details in a bit!16:01
kgriffsgroovy16:01
flaper87great meeting16:01
kgriffs#endmeeting16:01
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openstackMeeting ended Mon Dec  2 16:01:21 2013 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)16:01
alcabreraflaper87: o/16:01
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2013/marconi.2013-12-02-15.05.html16:01
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2013/marconi.2013-12-02-15.05.txt16:01
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2013/marconi.2013-12-02-15.05.log.html16:01
alcabreraI'll update the minutes/meeting logs16:01
kgriffsthanks!16:01
kgriffsI already updated the agenda16:01
kgriffs(on the wiki)16:01
alcabrerasweet - you're ahead of me. :D16:02
kgriffs#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Marconi#Next_meeting16:02
kgriffsalcabrera: just need the minutes added now16:02
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