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| markwash | hello glance folks! | 14:00 |
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| flwang | o/ | 14:00 |
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| iccha | hola | 14:00 |
| flwang | what's the topic today? | 14:00 |
| markwash | #startmeeting | 14:01 |
| openstack | markwash: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 14:01 |
| markwash | #startmeeting glance | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 26 14:01:14 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markwash. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:01 |
| markwash | there we go | 14:01 |
| zhiyan | \o | 14:01 |
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| markwash | First I wanna talk about cutting RC1 and then briefly take a look at proposed summit sessions | 14:02 |
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| markwash | #topic cutting rc1 | 14:02 |
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| flwang | markwash: I'd like to add this bug in rc1 https://code.launchpad.net/bugs/1231255 | 14:03 |
| markwash | let's take a look at that in a bit | 14:04 |
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| markwash | So, the way cutting an RC works, is we basically do so when we are comfortable that the RC1 bug list is empty/low enough in importance | 14:05 |
| markwash | #link https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/havana-rc1 | 14:05 |
| markwash | this process is more flexible than I thought | 14:05 |
| markwash | I had previously thought we were going to be forced to cut rc1 today come hell or high water | 14:05 |
| iccha | is there an rc2 markwash ? | 14:05 |
| markwash | iccha: only if strictly necessary | 14:06 |
| iccha | ok gotcha | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | we had high water in our dev space this morning | 14:06 |
| markwash | meaning, only if we happen to find a release-critical bug after cutting rc1 | 14:06 |
| flwang | markwash: so any due date/deadline for rc1? | 14:06 |
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| markwash | well, I think the best thing for us to do is to cut it this week | 14:06 |
| markwash | and I think that is possible | 14:06 |
| flwang | markwash: got | 14:07 |
| markwash | that gives us about 1-2 days to deal with remaining bugs on the list | 14:07 |
| iccha | yeah the bug list looks pretty good | 14:07 |
| markwash | in my opinion we can quickly handle the several "medium" or higher bugs on the list | 14:07 |
| iccha | wish the bugs had in review status | 14:07 |
| markwash | heh me too | 14:07 |
| markwash | anyone know the status of https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1211315 ? | 14:08 |
| markwash | "optimize queries for image-list" | 14:08 |
| iccha | markwash: its in review | 14:08 |
| iccha | I had taken a look at it and looked good to me | 14:08 |
| flwang | +1 from me for that | 14:08 |
| iccha | wait one second | 14:09 |
| zhiyan | markwash: yes, i kown that 1211315 | 14:09 |
| markwash | it appears to be abandoned? | 14:09 |
| iccha | so the bug shows two reviews | 14:09 |
| iccha | we should look at first one | 14:09 |
| iccha | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41404/ | 14:09 |
| zhiyan | actually i don't think it's a bug, i think it's a improvement...not sure should belong to rc1 as a bug... | 14:09 |
| iccha | its more like a wishlist item. but does imporve speed of queries for glance | 14:10 |
| venkatesh | "optimize queries for image-list": https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41404/ | 14:10 |
| iccha | will be a good performance improvement imo | 14:10 |
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| venkatesh | sorry will update the launchpad with the review link | 14:10 |
| markwash | Okay. . as nice as it is, it looks like a ton of fresh code so I'm a little more worried about regressions and new bugs than otherwise | 14:11 |
| zhiyan | iccha: yes, but it has regress risk | 14:11 |
| markwash | so I think it makes a lot of sense to wait | 14:11 |
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| iccha | i would want all reviwers to play around with patch and feel comfortable before we approve it | 14:12 |
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| iccha | but its been around for a long time, even if we dont have it in rc1, it will be good for reviewers to check it out | 14:13 |
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| zhiyan | iccha: TBH, +1 to markwash, wait to I is more safe.. | 14:13 |
| iccha | yeah I am ok with it not being in rc1. But just want to make sure we dont push it to back burner :) | 14:14 |
| markwash | anyone have issues with the rc1 schedule I proposed? if we don't fix something in our list by COB tomorrow eastern, it doesnt' make it and I cut the release anyway? | 14:14 |
| zhiyan | iccha: actually i think the change can get my +1, but just a little worried on regress.. :) | 14:14 |
| iccha | zhiyan: maybe after meeting u can express any concerns u have and we can talk to venkatesh ? | 14:14 |
| zhiyan | markwash: i'm ok. but one question, do you think flwang's change #48401 should be included? | 14:15 |
| zhiyan | iccha: sorry, i have a meeting later, but i like do it later? if you ok.. | 14:15 |
| iccha | yeah sure zhiyan | 14:16 |
| zhiyan | iccha: cool. | 14:16 |
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| markwash | zhiyan: I'm interested in a fix but wonder how drastic is a workaround? | 14:17 |
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| markwash | yeah I wanna add that to rc1 I guess | 14:17 |
| zhiyan | iccha: actually i'm ok on the code change, but the change have no any test case ... | 14:17 |
| flwang | markwash: it's a fix not a workaround :) | 14:18 |
| markwash | I've got a few questions from quickly scanning the review, so I'll note those down soon | 14:18 |
| markwash | flwang: right, the code change is. . but I'm wondering about workarounds in case the fix is not in place | 14:18 |
| zhiyan | markwash: yes, it's a fix. but flwang actually it also has some minor issue, i will put my comments asap later.. | 14:18 |
| zhiyan | markwash: end user can do necessary policy.json change to make workaround IMO. | 14:19 |
| iccha | zhiyan: ah thats coz there is no change in functionaility. wish we could have performance tests. the current tests passing means it didnt break anything. but then again how much can we rely upon glance tests :) | 14:19 |
| zhiyan | markwash: i mean to enable get_image_location always | 14:20 |
| flwang | zhiyan: why? | 14:20 |
| markwash | since I know its late in china I went ahead and added my notes on that review now | 14:21 |
| markwash | but I am going to add that bug to rc1 also | 14:21 |
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| flwang | zhiyan: did you mean enable get_image_location for all user? | 14:21 |
| zhiyan | flwang: for necessary user | 14:21 |
| zhiyan | according to admin, maybe all user. | 14:22 |
| zhiyan | markwash: cool. thanks. | 14:22 |
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| zhiyan | iccha: yes, i mean unit test :) | 14:22 |
| iccha | i think it should be in rc1 too | 14:22 |
| iccha | flwang: 's patch ^ | 14:22 |
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| zhiyan | iccha: flwang +1 for rc1 bug | 14:22 |
| markwash | I think that about covers the rc1 topic from my perspective. . anyone else have questions or items related to rc1? | 14:23 |
| iccha | markwash: https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1229042 | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | markwash: in writing up the docs for image sharing, i found a few bugs | 14:23 |
| zhiyan | iccha: aha, aready in | 14:23 |
| flwang | markwash: how about this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46986/ ? just a minor typo fix for glance api | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | do you think we can get them in rc2? | 14:23 |
| flwang | harmless | 14:23 |
| markwash | rosmaita: if they're critical enough for rc2, we should delay releasing rc1 to address them | 14:24 |
| markwash | rosmaita: otherwise, they can certainly be ported to stable/havana later | 14:24 |
| zhiyan | markwash: humm TBH we'd better keep control on the list... | 14:24 |
| markwash | rosmaita: at this point, critical is not the word I meant to use. . just trying to say if the importance of the bug would justify a "high" priority | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | i think they can wait | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | there are workarounds | 14:25 |
| zhiyan | markwash: do not include more bug which not really need... to low the regress risk.. | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | although, i do have a patch up for one, it's an incorrect http response code, would be good to fix so people don't code against the response and then we change it | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1229366 | 14:26 |
| markwash | rosmaita: can you post links to the bugs. it would only take a few minutes to double check the priority | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | but i don't insist on it | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | give me a sec to write up the other bugs, just confirmed them | 14:26 |
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| markwash | +2 on that one. . I don't see a big risk and its a wart that's nice to remove | 14:27 |
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| flwang | markwash: how about this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46986/ | 14:28 |
| flwang | but I don't insist on that :) | 14:29 |
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| markwash | flwang: seems low risk | 14:29 |
| flwang | markwash: yep | 14:30 |
| markwash | okay. . anyone okay with moving on to the next topic? | 14:30 |
| iccha | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46767/ | 14:30 |
| markwash | s/okay/not okay/ ? | 14:30 |
| markwash | ah, that's a good point iccha | 14:30 |
| markwash | there was some additional work with property protections | 14:30 |
| markwash | that sort of popped up | 14:31 |
| markwash | iccha: is there more than just that review you'd like to see come in under the FFE header? | 14:31 |
| iccha | markwash: since the additional work is not gonna be in rc1. i think changes to documentation not needed for now | 14:31 |
| markwash | ah okay | 14:31 |
| iccha | markwash: i was thinking will think patch also go in rc1? | 14:31 |
| iccha | in other words my question is there are some protected porperties patches like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46283/5 | 14:32 |
| iccha | and the documentation one | 14:32 |
| iccha | do they come under rc1? | 14:32 |
| iccha | just prioritizing my reviews | 14:32 |
| iccha | so the question | 14:32 |
| iccha | i would like to see the documentation go in if not the other patches | 14:33 |
| markwash | gotcha | 14:33 |
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| zhiyan | iccha: i think https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46767 doc change should wait, since the '@' role change is not landing yet. | 14:33 |
| markwash | I think the docs could, but it looks like that dependency is real | 14:34 |
| iccha | if we can get hold of thomas i feel that we can remove the dependency and see if we can get the documentation patch ? | 14:34 |
| iccha | so it does not have the info related to the patch it is dependent on | 14:34 |
| zhiyan | iccha: if so that's ok to me. | 14:34 |
| markwash | if we can remove that dependency (removing @ ! from the docs themselves too) thenI'm cool | 14:34 |
| iccha | i ll try and see if i can contact thomas in time | 14:35 |
| iccha | becoz logically speaking it ll be good to have the documentation with the feature when packaage is cut | 14:35 |
| zhiyan | iccha: make sense to me. | 14:35 |
| iccha | anyone know his irc nick? | 14:36 |
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| markwash | not I | 14:36 |
| zhiyan | :-[ seems we can landing a lot of things in rc1 | 14:36 |
| zhiyan | iccha: sorry | 14:36 |
| iccha | ya I understand | 14:36 |
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| iccha | we re being too last minute about it too :( | 14:37 |
| iccha | I should have brought it up earlier | 14:37 |
| markwash | zhiyan: :-( indeed. . it feels to me like these are generally either really important or really low risk | 14:38 |
| markwash | but please do make the case if you disagree about the risk or importance | 14:38 |
| markwash | I don't want us to regress because groupthink miscalculated the risk | 14:38 |
| markwash | indeed, everyone should be looking at these changes with a very skeptical eye | 14:38 |
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| zhiyan | :P my eyes is nice | 14:39 |
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| flwang | markwash: yep, we need heavily review for those in progressing rc1 patches | 14:39 |
| iccha | also we need to think of it as a package . in terms of what can this release do with and without | 14:39 |
| zhiyan | markwash: yes, i totally agree that | 14:39 |
| iccha | flwang: +1 | 14:39 |
| iccha | all reviewers on board for next 2 days | 14:40 |
| * markwash is | 14:40 | |
| iccha | sorry mark took up too much time on rc1 | 14:41 |
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| zhiyan | markwash: iccha next topic? | 14:41 |
| markwash | okay. . bring up any other issues with rc-important bugs after meeting, and be very skeptical during reviews to play things safe | 14:41 |
| zhiyan | ... if we have | 14:41 |
| markwash | no worries! | 14:41 |
| markwash | #topic summit topics | 14:41 |
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| zhiyan | cool | 14:41 |
| markwash | just wanted to check in with those really fast | 14:41 |
| markwash | we have two so far | 14:41 |
| markwash | I think folks can start submitting them now | 14:41 |
| markwash | (some time ago evidently) | 14:41 |
| iccha | link http://summit.openstack.org/ | 14:41 |
| zhiyan | summit.openstack.org | 14:42 |
| zhiyan | yes | 14:42 |
| iccha | also markwash u said few topics in mind | 14:42 |
| markwash | yes, I've just been too lazy to add them to the list | 14:42 |
| iccha | does one of them have to do with testing :p | 14:43 |
| markwash | #1 I wanna talk about the future of v1. . when do we deprecate? can we make it use the domain and delete all its custom stuff | 14:43 |
| markwash | iccha: hmm I hadn't thought to, but we could | 14:43 |
| flwang | markwash: iccha: do you think https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/image-error-state-management can be re-discuss since it's a real problem for end user | 14:43 |
| flwang | there are many bugs attached to it | 14:44 |
| markwash | flwang: I'd really like for us to tackle that issue, but I want to rephrase the blueprint to (being frank) make the outcome I want to see more likely | 14:44 |
| markwash | what I'd really like to see is nova tracking the progress of uploads | 14:45 |
| flwang | markwash: yep, that's what I will do next | 14:45 |
| markwash | we might even want to submit that as a nova talk honestly | 14:45 |
| flwang | markwash: I think we may need a notification from Nova to tell Glance what happened | 14:46 |
| markwash | I think having the conversation with both glance and nova folks will allow us to actually make progress | 14:46 |
| markwash | instead of the neglect/stonewall stalemate we've had for many cycles now | 14:46 |
| iccha | +1 | 14:46 |
| flwang | markwash: sure | 14:46 |
| markwash | okay cool | 14:46 |
| flwang | markwash: so do you think it a good topic for summit? | 14:47 |
| markwash | so just a few items there, then. . I'm only looking to add the one I mentioned, anyone feel free to add what they want to that list and bug me to take a look at it | 14:47 |
| markwash | flwang: yes | 14:47 |
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| flwang | markwash: cool | 14:48 |
| markwash | all right. . feels like open discussion time to me :-) | 14:48 |
| zhiyan | just thinking maybe bresnah probably need a proxy.. to talk about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/framework-for-contributed-storage-systems | 14:48 |
| zhiyan | and i have one location-property. markwash ^ | 14:49 |
| markwash | yeah, go ahead and submit it or both | 14:49 |
| markwash | its okay if our submissions overlap or have to be adjusted | 14:50 |
| markwash | really its a good sign if we have a few of those problems | 14:50 |
| markwash | #topic open discussion | 14:50 |
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| zhiyan | cool, roger | 14:50 |
| iccha | i pinged thomas leaman for the documentation patch | 14:51 |
| iccha | and he ll have another one today | 14:51 |
| zhiyan | markwash: do we have a release plan on the glanceclient part? | 14:51 |
| flwang | iccha: cool | 14:52 |
| * markwash frantically eats cereal before the bus arrives | 14:52 | |
| iccha | zhiyan: good question | 14:52 |
| * markwash wonders if he netsplit | 14:52 | |
| markwash | #endmeeting | 14:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 26 14:53:00 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2013/glance.2013-09-26-14.01.html | 14:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2013/glance.2013-09-26-14.01.txt | 14:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2013/glance.2013-09-26-14.01.log.html | 14:53 |
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| zhiyan | seems finished ? | 14:54 |
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| flwang | let's back to our channel, zhiyan :) | 14:55 |
| zhiyan | humm..:-/ | 14:55 |
| flwang | seems markwash is gone or his laptop crashed :) | 14:56 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 26 15:00:18 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
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| bswartz | good morning / good evening everyone | 15:00 |
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| yportnova | hi | 15:01 |
| caitlin56 | hi | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | the agenda is here | 15:01 |
| bswartz | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ManilaMeetings | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | do we have vbelokon? | 15:02 |
| yportnova | bswartz: vbelokon is absent today | 15:02 |
| bswartz | yportnova: do you have any updates you'd like to share? | 15:02 |
| yportnova | I can give status update | 15:02 |
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| yportnova | The main update is that Manila finally moved to stackforge | 15:03 |
| bswartz | yes we're now officially in stackforge and I sent out the announcement about the project on the public ML yesterday | 15:03 |
| bswartz | yportnova: there is a bug that remains open I wanted to ask you about | 15:04 |
| yportnova | bswartz: could you provide the link? | 15:04 |
| bswartz | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ci/+bug/1229151 | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | can we close that bug or do we need to do something? | 15:05 |
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| yportnova | This is CI bug now | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | does it affect us though? | 15:06 |
| bswartz | I saw that submissions were working | 15:06 |
| yportnova | it does not affect us any more | 15:06 |
| bswartz | does it need to stay open though? | 15:06 |
| bswartz | If so I'll just unsubscribe | 15:06 |
| bswartz | #topic Networking | 15:07 |
| yportnova | It need to stay open for CI team. They propably need to fix it. You can just unsubscribe | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | okay so the next thing I wanted to talk about is networking | 15:08 |
| bswartz | this is the big design issue that everyone talks about | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila_Networking | 15:08 |
| bswartz | I've taken the documents and email threads that we have on this topic and tried to distill them into a single wiki that captures all of the issues we know about | 15:08 |
| bswartz | I don't expect you to read it right now | 15:09 |
| bswartz | but I'm looking for feedback on this if anyone reads it and sees a problem or omission | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | one of the next activities for me and the dev team is to devise an API design that allows us to address these problems in Manila | 15:10 |
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| rushiagr | hi all! sry, late :/ | 15:10 |
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| caitlin56 | I'd like to suggest a goal. We should treat this as a network proposal at the IETF. We should explicitly state all of the Security Considerations. | 15:10 |
| bswartz | rushiagr: welcome | 15:10 |
| caitlin56 | In particular, when is the flat model applicable? | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | caitlin56: I'm not sure how much formality we'll be able to achieve | 15:11 |
| bswartz | caitlin56: we're a bunch of hackers after all | 15:11 |
| bswartz | lol | 15:11 |
| bswartz | certianly there are security concerns, but it's hard to evaluate them in the absence of an actual design | 15:12 |
| caitlin56 | But you are making recommendations to customers. Without saying anything you imply that the option is safe to use. | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | caitlin56: no -- we're not even close to being able to recommend things to customers | 15:12 |
| bswartz | we have to design the API that will allow the things I mention in the document to be implemented | 15:12 |
| caitlin56 | But completing the design would have to include that, in my opinion. | 15:12 |
| bswartz | yes once we have a design, we can evaluate it for security concerns before we get too far down the implementation path | 15:13 |
| bswartz | this document is more of a statement of the problem and some possible ways to solve it | 15:13 |
| bswartz | yportnova: you and I should spend some time talking about possible API designs, then I can publish another document for the group to review | 15:14 |
| yportnova | bswartz: ok, sure | 15:15 |
| bswartz | at this point I'm mostly curious to know if I'm missing anything obvious in the problem statement itself, or if I'm missing any really cool solution ideas | 15:15 |
| rushiagr | can someone give me the link to the document, if it exists? | 15:15 |
| bswartz | rushiagr: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila_Networking | 15:15 |
| rushiagr | bswartz: thanks | 15:15 |
| bswartz | since attendence is light today, I'm going to put a link to this wiki on the LP too | 15:16 |
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| caitlin56 | My current evaluation is that we don't have a good enough method for tenants to edit ACLs in the flat model. | 15:16 |
| bswartz | and we can try to keep discussion captured on LP or the wiki | 15:16 |
| yportnova | bswartz: I have looked through this document, network plumbing seems the good option | 15:16 |
| yportnova | possible solution could be adding creating external network with the storage and adding it to neutron tenant's router. | 15:17 |
| yportnova | So tenant VMs can connect to the storage through external net with router's IP (unique for tenant). | 15:17 |
| bswartz | caitlin56: the flat model is only intended for people that are doing things we never anticipated, or things where ACLs don't matter so much | 15:17 |
| yportnova | In such case we can implement IP based security. | 15:17 |
| caitlin56 | yportnova: I agree the neuton model seems solid. | 15:17 |
| bswartz | so I added a section to the document recently that I forgot to include yesterday about plugins | 15:18 |
| caitlin56 | bswartz: agreed, with a proper applicability statement it is still a valuable addition to the toolset. | 15:18 |
| bswartz | in case it's not clear, I want to implement ALL of these methods, and allow the administrator to choose which one they use at runtime | 15:18 |
| bswartz | I realize that implementing all of the methods will likely place a bigger burden on backend authors | 15:19 |
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| caitlin56 | I suspect supporting one tenant on both models would be a nightmare. | 15:19 |
| bswartz | so I want to try to find a way to share code as much as possible between backends w.r.t. the various ways to hooking up the shares on the network | 15:19 |
| bswartz | caitlin56: yeah I envision a global flag in manila.conf | 15:20 |
| yportnova | bswartz: It could be the problem that network in tenants can overlap | 15:20 |
| bswartz | yportnova: I have not considered overlapping tenants | 15:20 |
| bswartz | yportnova: I'm not even sure that's possible in OpenStack | 15:21 |
| caitlin56 | One area where there can be no overlap is the ability of a tenant to use their existing AD/ | 15:21 |
| caitlin56 | LDAP authentication server. | 15:21 |
| yportnova | bswartz: it is possible in Neutron | 15:21 |
| caitlin56 | Users do not want to modify their existing Authentication Servers. | 15:21 |
| bswartz | yportnova: okay that's a possible problem we need to consider then | 15:21 |
| bswartz | I'm not sure if we will manage to solve all of these problem in the IceHouse timeframe either | 15:22 |
| vbellur | bswartz: maybe a configuration to allow/disallow overlapping tenants? | 15:22 |
| bswartz | We need to prioritize the tasks so that by the end of IceHouse we have something reasonably useful even if it doesn't address every single use case | 15:23 |
| bswartz | vbellur: I was thinking that maybe in in the short term just disallow it altogether | 15:23 |
| bswartz | we'll need to think about it however | 15:23 |
| vbellur | bswartz: right | 15:23 |
| bswartz | okay so expect more conversations about this stuff | 15:24 |
| caitlin56 | vebellur: how do overlapping tenants even work? | 15:24 |
| bswartz | the networking problems are the "fun stuff" (i.e. hard problems) for the Manila project and I'm sure there will be discussion ongoing for a long time | 15:24 |
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| bswartz | for now though let's move on | 15:25 |
| bswartz | #topic summit sessions | 15:25 |
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| bswartz | rushiagr: you put a topic on the agenda, what did you want to say about this? | 15:25 |
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| vbellur | another qn - how many of us are going to be in Hongkong? | 15:26 |
| rushiagr | I just wanted to have a design session for Manila at the Summit | 15:26 |
| rushiagr | so just wanted to check if anyone has already proposed/wanted to propose | 15:26 |
| caitlin56 | I'm planning on it, but the official budget is undecided so far. | 15:26 |
| bswartz | okay so my plan has been to hold at least one "unconference" session for Manila | 15:27 |
| vbellur | caitlin56: ok, I intend being there. | 15:27 |
| bswartz | I'll be in HK, along with a group of other NetApp folks | 15:27 |
| bswartz | I'm sure we won't get any official time given our current status | 15:27 |
| rushiagr | rushiagr: I'll most probably make there too | 15:27 |
| bswartz | however unconference sessions are intended for exactly this kind of thing | 15:27 |
| vbellur | right | 15:28 |
| bswartz | I expect the purpose of the session will be mostly to meet and greet people interested in Manila so we can have some face-to-face interactions before we all go home and code for 6 months | 15:28 |
| rushiagr | bswartz: but lets atleast propose a session? | 15:28 |
| bswartz | if we can get 2 sessions then maybe we can actually get into some real design work though | 15:29 |
| bswartz | rushiagr: proposed sessions need to be associated with a project I believe | 15:29 |
| bswartz | design summit sessions, that is | 15:29 |
| rushiagr | bswartz: oh, yeah | 15:29 |
| bswartz | conference sessions are more open, but those are closed now | 15:29 |
| bswartz | open in terms for format | 15:30 |
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| caitlin56 | Is there still a "birds-of-a-feather" track scheduled? | 15:30 |
| bswartz | after we befome an officially incubated project we will have some standing to request official time on the design summit calendar | 15:30 |
| bswartz | so the official plan is that I'll setup 1 or 2 unconference sessions, scheduled to not overlap with anything storage-related | 15:31 |
| bswartz | and we'll try to meet up there | 15:31 |
| rushiagr | bswartz: +1 | 15:32 |
| vbellur | bswartz: +1 | 15:32 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:32 |
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| bswartz | anyone have anything else? | 15:32 |
| vbellur | i will be on vacation for the next 2 weeks. so I will be missing the next 2 meetings. | 15:32 |
| rushiagr | I've seen people merging sessions for dearth of time, so proposing two sessions wont hurt much | 15:33 |
| vbellur | rushiagr: agree | 15:33 |
| rushiagr | I'd probably test out the brand new manila project, and file all sorts of bugs as a starter | 15:33 |
| bswartz | rushiagr: I know -- as the project gets bigger it's harder and harder to cram everything into 4 days | 15:33 |
| caitlin56 | Don't try for more than 2 sessions though. I suspect a lot of us also have to cover Cinder or Swift. | 15:33 |
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| bswartz | rushiagr: thanks | 15:34 |
| rushiagr | thats my plan for the coming week | 15:34 |
| bswartz | caitlin56: I agree -- personally I'll be in all the cinder sessions so there's no chance of a conflict there | 15:34 |
| bswartz | if anyone has suggestions for things to avoid conflicting with I'll try to respect those | 15:35 |
| bswartz | obviously some of us have intereste in swift and neutron | 15:35 |
| bswartz | and nova often has storage-related talks that are worth attending | 15:35 |
| caitlin56 | And scheduling so neutron folks could attend would be a plus. | 15:35 |
| bswartz | okay so it sounds like that's all for this week | 15:36 |
| bswartz | look for more information on the networking stuff as I have time to add to the wiki | 15:36 |
| bswartz | I'll put some information in BP form on the LP as well | 15:37 |
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| vbellur | sounds good | 15:37 |
| bswartz | please direct feedback to the LP or wiki pages if you want to keep the discussion public | 15:37 |
| rushiagr | bswartz: sure | 15:38 |
| bswartz | you can email me but my time is pretty crunched so I rather keep everything public | 15:38 |
| bswartz | thanks everyone see you next week | 15:38 |
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| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 26 15:38:30 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2013/manila.2013-09-26-15.00.html | 15:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2013/manila.2013-09-26-15.00.txt | 15:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2013/manila.2013-09-26-15.00.log.html | 15:38 |
| * rushiagr waves | 15:38 | |
| vbellur | thanks everyone, see you in a few weeks | 15:38 |
| rushiagr | bye all! | 15:38 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | savanna team meeting will be here in 15 minutes | 17:50 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | savanna folks, are you here? :) | 18:02 |
| mattf | o/ | 18:02 |
| crobertsrh | I am | 18:02 |
| ruhe | hi | 18:02 |
| aignatov_ | o/ | 18:02 |
| NikitaKonovalov | hi | 18:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | cool, let's start the meeting | 18:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting savanna | 18:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 26 18:03:15 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: savanna)" | 18:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'savanna' | 18:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Agenda | 18:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info News / updates | 18:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info Roadmap cleanup / update | 18:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info Action items from the last meeting | 18:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info General discussion | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Agenda (Meeting topic: savanna)" | 18:03 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News / updates (Meeting topic: savanna)" | 18:03 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | folks, please | 18:03 |
| mattf | congrats all on incubating! | 18:03 |
| aignatov_ | We are incubated!!! | 18:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yeah, we do it | 18:04 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #info Savanna was accepted as an incubated project | 18:04 |
| ogelbukh | now the interesting part begins ) | 18:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | are there any other news? :) | 18:05 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I've started removing code duplication in our dashboard and client repositories | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | btw Savanna will be moved to openstack org around next weekend | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48491/ | 18:05 |
| NikitaKonovalov | hopefully we will have dashboard relying on a client | 18:06 |
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| aignatov_ | update from Kolya, he worked on job-configs for EDP, 2 patches for savanna-core and UI are on the review | 18:06 |
| ruhe | SergeyLukjanov, will our docs be moved to openstack.org ? | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ruhe, yep, I hope | 18:06 |
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| ruhe | SergeyLukjanov, will our code be moved to github.com/openstack ? | 18:07 |
| alazarev | regarding data locality, Alex Ignatov and me continue debugging of Alexander Kuznetsov's patch, probably will nbe done next week | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ruhe, yep, absolutely | 18:07 |
| aignatov_ | also we have integration tests on the review | 18:07 |
| ruhe | excellent | 18:07 |
| aignatov_ | so. please review | 18:07 |
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| aignatov_ | Nadya's patch of merging Jobs and jobsOrigin is merging today | 18:08 |
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| crobertsrh | I've got 3 or 4 bug fix reviews that will hopefully be merging soon. | 18:09 |
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| aignatov_ | crobertsrh, good progress | 18:09 |
| tmckay | I'm working on retrieval of job binaries from swift, I have a simple test case that works. | 18:09 |
| tmckay | but I'm distracted by a machine that may be dying | 18:10 |
| tmckay | I should upload my CR as a draft before I lose it :) | 18:10 |
| aignatov_ | yes, please do it | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Roadmap cleanup / update | 18:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roadmap cleanup / update (Meeting topic: savanna)" | 18:11 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | 1. move next-gen architecture to the next release | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | 2. move Monitoring support to the next release | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ^^ I think that it's time to postpone this blueprints | 18:12 |
| ruhe | agree | 18:12 |
| aignatov_ | +1 | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any objectives? | 18:12 |
| alazarev | +1 | 18:12 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | ok | 18:13 |
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| ruhe | something related to roadmap... | 18:13 |
| ruhe | I think launchpad needs a major cleanup of blueprints | 18:13 |
| ruhe | #link https://launchpad.net/savanna/+milestone/0.3a1 | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #action slukjanov to move next-gen architecture to the next release | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #undo | 18:13 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Action object at 0x310f890> | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #action SergeyLukjanov to move next-gen architecture to the next release | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #action SergeyLukjanov to move Monitoring support to the next release | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ruhe, agreed | 18:14 |
| aignatov_ | good point, ruhe | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | + smth like bugday | 18:14 |
| aignatov_ | you mean to run bugdays regulary? | 18:14 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I mean "bug triage day" | 18:15 |
| aignatov_ | anyway, it's good idea | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov_, no need to run them regulary | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'll take a look at blueprints tomorrow and schedule bug triage day in case of need | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and bugs | 18:16 |
| aignatov_ | ok, thx | 18:16 |
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| aignatov_ | I can help you if needed | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thx | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 18:17 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #info ACTION: aignatov Update roadmap with Heat integration [DONE] | 18:17 |
| aignatov_ | done | 18:17 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic General discussion | 18:17 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | any thoughts? | 18:19 |
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| ruhe | just in case if someone missed this blog-post http://www.zerobanana.com/archive/2013/09/25#savanna-incubation | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | btw we have 4 slots at design summit | 18:20 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | feel free to suggest topics at http://summit.openstack.org | 18:20 |
| aignatov_ | I think we missed one more update - savanna 0.2.2 is released! | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I think that we need the following sessions: heat integration, edp future, scalable next-get architecture and overall savanna roadmap | 18:22 |
| ruhe | with official HDP plugin! | 18:22 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | yeah, it's great, thanks for Hortonworks guys! | 18:22 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | looks like that's time to end meeting | 18:24 |
| jspeidel | yes, big milestone. Thanks all | 18:24 |
| dmitryme | by the way guys, the summit is pretty close | 18:24 |
| dmitryme | that means we need to prepare topics and discuss them prior the summit | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info JFYI you can always use openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org mailing lists and #savanna irc channel to find us and ask your questions | 18:25 |
| dmitryme | in case you don't know - the summit design sessions are mostly for confirming and finalizing design and arch questions | 18:26 |
| dmitryme | most of the work is done prior to the summit | 18:26 |
| dmitryme | via email and irc | 18:26 |
| ruhe | one more topic I'd like to to discuss: will HDP plugin be able to support EDP jobs in Savanna v0.3 ? | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit#Before_the_Design_Summit | 18:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | anything else? | 18:28 |
| jspeidel | we (HDP) don't have any EDP related tasks in our upcoming sprints for 0.3. | 18:29 |
| jspeidel | how much work is needed to be implemented by a plugin? | 18:29 |
| ruhe | not much actually... | 18:30 |
| ruhe | plugin has to provision Oozie and Hive services | 18:30 |
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| jspeidel | Just finishing up work on Hive support | 18:30 |
| jspeidel | Oozie shouldn't be difficult | 18:30 |
| jspeidel | we should have this for 0.3 | 18:31 |
| ruhe | would oozie support Pig jobs? | 18:31 |
| jspeidel | yes, I don't see any reason why it wouldn't | 18:31 |
| ruhe | great | 18:31 |
| aignatov_ | HDP has Oozie 3.3.2, pig job is included | 18:31 |
| aignatov_ | as dar as i know | 18:31 |
| aignatov_ | *far | 18:31 |
| jspeidel | yes, will be sure to functionally test through savanna | 18:32 |
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| jspeidel | aignatov: yes to clarify. Yes we 0.3 will include HDP support for 1.3.2 which includes Oozie 3.3.2 which does support pig jobs | 18:36 |
| aignatov_ | that's great | 18:36 |
| aignatov_ | should work with edp | 18:37 |
| jspeidel | looking forward to testing this | 18:37 |
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| jspeidel | is edp functionality ready to test in master now? | 18:37 |
| aignatov_ | actuallly edp is an active developement, but it's laready have all needed functional | 18:38 |
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| jspeidel | ok, we should have support for the necessary service by end of next week | 18:39 |
| jspeidel | services | 18:39 |
| aignatov_ | ok | 18:39 |
| aignatov_ | btw, I'm going to write integration tests on edp, hope to have preliminaty functional by theend of the nex week too | 18:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 18:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 26 18:43:01 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2013/savanna.2013-09-26-18.03.html | 18:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2013/savanna.2013-09-26-18.03.txt | 18:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2013/savanna.2013-09-26-18.03.log.html | 18:43 |
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