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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 19 15:00:53 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello everyone | 15:01 |
| vbellur | bswartz: hello | 15:01 |
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| vbelokon | hi | 15:01 |
| yportnova_ | hi | 15:01 |
| shamail | Hi | 15:01 |
| vponomaryov | hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | okay so last week we said our goal was to get the code into stackforge by today | 15:02 |
| bswartz | #topic status | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "status (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:02 | |
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| bswartz | We've submitted the code at least | 15:02 |
| bswartz | vbelokon: can you tell us where that sits now? | 15:02 |
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| vbelokon | bswartz: yes, we submitted to code, but we need approval from core-developers of Infra project | 15:03 |
| vbelokon | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46919/ | 15:03 |
| vbelokon | one +2 we have, another +2 we need | 15:03 |
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| vbelokon | Jeremy Stanley (core-developer) promised us to set +2 today during the day. | 15:03 |
| vbelokon | so, I hope Manila project will in StackForge today or tomorrow | 15:03 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:04 |
| vbelokon | also we created blueprints to add changes in DevStack and Tempest to support Manila | 15:04 |
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| vbelokon | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/devstack/+spec/manila-project-support | 15:04 |
| vbelokon | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/manila-project-tempest-tests | 15:04 |
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| vbelokon | these blueprints we need to push our changes (supporting of Manila) to DevStack and Tempest | 15:04 |
| bswartz | vbelokon: ty | 15:04 |
| vbellur | vbelokon: sounds good | 15:05 |
| vbelokon | so, currently we are working on current bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bugs | 15:05 |
| bswartz | okay so we need to wait another day or so on stackforge | 15:05 |
| vbelokon | bswartz: yes | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | once we're accepted there I plan to make another announcement on the ML | 15:05 |
| bswartz | and hopefully we'll see some more participation in these meetings | 15:06 |
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| tkatarki | hello all. in way of quick intro, I am from Red Hat and work with vbellur | 15:06 |
| bswartz | I imagine most people are holding back because they couldn't contribute code if they wanted to right now | 15:06 |
| bswartz | tkatarki: welcome! | 15:06 |
| vbelokon | tkatarki: hi | 15:07 |
| caitlin-nexenta | bswartz: my suggestion is to focus on documentation for NAS vendors first, users later. | 15:07 |
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| vbellur | we have rraja and zaitcev joining from Red Hat too. | 15:07 |
| bill_az | Hi, this is Bill Owen from IBM joining | 15:07 |
| vbellur | bill_az: hello | 15:07 |
| bswartz | caitlin-nexenta: I agree -- I've been thinking about some of the "last mile" issues and how they will be tacked by various backends and it's a complicated problem | 15:08 |
| * caitlin-nexenta is from Nexenta | 15:08 | |
| vbellur | caitlin-nexenta: hello | 15:08 |
| bswartz | I need to capture my thoughts in a document and get it up online | 15:08 |
| bswartz | bill_az: hello and welcome | 15:08 |
| bill_az | Hi, thanks, glad to be here | 15:08 |
| caitlin-nexenta | bswartz feel free to use me as a beta proofreader. | 15:08 |
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| zaitcev | I am just looking if I can be useful in the future, but currently I am up to my neck in Swift until end of September. | 15:09 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:09 |
| bswartz | this is a good time to be joining because we're still designing things and and it's not too late to influence the eventual direction we take | 15:10 |
| bswartz | we're at an odd phase now relative to the rest of openstack, because everytone else is worried about getting their release done and we don't have to worry about that | 15:10 |
| bill_az | bswartz: I have been working on icnder driver for gpfs backend, and am looking forward to contributing to manila as well | 15:11 |
| esker | bswartz: wrt to "holding back" your first announcement never actually made it to the wider list | 15:11 |
| bswartz | I expect a lot of stuff to get solidified during the icehouse timeframe however such that 6 months from now it will feel like a normal openstack project | 15:11 |
| bill_az | (cinder driver) | 15:11 |
| bswartz | bill_az: are you the actual developer? if so I'd like to talk to you and get you opinions on our design for the manila "driver" interface | 15:12 |
| zaitcev | Indeed, as esker says I did not even knew Manila existed until Ayal mentioned it. | 15:12 |
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| bill_az | bswartz: yes, I'm doing most of the work on cinder driver for gpfs, and I'd be happy to discuss driver interface for manila | 15:13 |
| bswartz | esker, zaitcev: Yes I apologize but the initial announcement was evidently eaten by the ML. By the time I discovered what happened I'd changed my mind about making the announcement to wait until we were part of stackforge | 15:13 |
| bswartz | so the announcement which you can expect next week will actually be the "first" announcement that most people will see | 15:14 |
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| esker | bswartz: better this way... when the announcement goes out to the wider community there will be something substantive to look at | 15:14 |
| caitlin-nexenta | You're better off announcing sooner than later. I was thinking of making a proposal myself when googling found the older Netapp Cinder proposal, and I asked about it. | 15:14 |
| vbellur | yeah, the timing is quite right now. | 15:14 |
| caitlin-nexenta | Others might just start the same work in Cinder or Swift, better to be visible. | 15:14 |
| bswartz | caitlin-nexenta: I know -- it's just a few days away now | 15:14 |
| esker | great... the stackforge stuff is almost done so all is aligning | 15:15 |
| bswartz | caitlin-nexenta: regarding doing the work in cinder or swift -- we tried that and got nowhere, so I'm not worried about someone else trying that and succeeding | 15:15 |
| esker | bswartz: it might be time to start blueprinting the various options for solving the last mile problem | 15:15 |
| tkatarki | +1 on that | 15:15 |
| bswartz | but the point is still valid that we want the community to know we're here | 15:15 |
| shamail | +1 | 15:16 |
| esker | FWIW, we've operated under the presumption that on 1 option will suffice | 15:16 |
| esker | rather... no 1 option will suffice | 15:16 |
| caitlin-nexenta | bswartz : the worry is them trying and failing. | 15:16 |
| bswartz | okay anything more on status? we sort of took a side track here | 15:17 |
| bswartz | vbelokon: anything you wanted to discuss? | 15:17 |
| vbelokon | yes | 15:17 |
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| vbelokon | I'd like to discuss nearest roadmap | 15:17 |
| vbelokon | and ask you to approve existing blueprints | 15:18 |
| vbelokon | or create new most important for current step | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | okay it sounds like we need the next topic | 15:19 |
| bswartz | #topic planning | 15:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "planning (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:19 | |
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| vbelokon | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila | 15:19 |
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| bswartz | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | okay since we've already discussed quotas a great deal, I'd like to get that design finalized so we can finish it | 15:21 |
| bswartz | we can talk a bit more about that in a minute | 15:21 |
| bswartz | these other BPs are also important | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | I think we need more however | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | the issue of connecting shares to guests is a complex one which we need to approach carefully | 15:23 |
| bswartz | by next week I'll get a wiki page up that capture the issues | 15:23 |
| vbelokon | bswartz: good | 15:23 |
| caitlin-nexenta | Especially if we want to embrace as many NAS vendors as possible. | 15:23 |
| bswartz | #action bswartz create wiki page for "last mile problem" | 15:24 |
| bswartz | Hopefully people can read it and maybe next week we can create some BPs to address the isssues that exist | 15:24 |
| yportnova__ | bswartz: will we make changes in current ACL implementation? | 15:24 |
| bswartz | For those who are new, I'll summarize my thinking | 15:24 |
| bswartz | yportnova__: yes we will need to | 15:25 |
| bswartz | yportnova__: that's just one part of what's needed however | 15:25 |
| tkatarki | bswartz: it would definitely help. I am new. I hget the 100K view of what we want to do but could use a 10K view. | 15:25 |
| bswartz | So our current thinking is that theres not a single way to deal with the network plumbing issue that will work for every user | 15:26 |
| vbellur | bswartz: agree with that | 15:26 |
| bswartz | We need to implement a few ways to do it, and give administrators a choice (an option they can set in manila.conf) | 15:26 |
| bswartz | This will probably result in a "frontend" plugin interface of some kind, because there will be parts of the connect-share-to-guest code that can be shared by all backends | 15:27 |
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| caitlin-nexenta | bswartz: having a few options is great, but selling participation to my management requires that it not be an open-ended set of extra options. | 15:27 |
| bswartz | that being said, I think it will be unavoidable that backends will need to explicitly support various connection methods | 15:27 |
| bswartz | The connection methods we're considering are: | 15:28 |
| bswartz | 0) Assume flat network and require the storage controller to enforce security | 15:28 |
| bswartz | 1) Support segmented tenant networks and integrate w/ neutron to connect the storage controller to the tenant network | 15:29 |
| bswartz | 2) Rely on hypervisor to tunnel NAS protocol from backend network to tenant network | 15:30 |
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| esker | additionally, there's the question of how instances (or other consumers) dynamically absorb and mount shares | 15:30 |
| bswartz | 3) Exotic stuff like VirtFS to wrap the filesystem access | 15:30 |
| caitlin-nexenta | Why is 2) different than 1)? Neutron supports different forms of tunneling. | 15:30 |
| bswartz | caitlin-nexenta: it comes down to how smart the backend is required to be in the 2 cases | 15:31 |
| caitlin-nexenta | Or to put it another way, if a new tunelling method is needed - why not do it in the Neutron project? | 15:31 |
| bswartz | caitlin-nexenta: I suspect the differences will be more clear when I write down all the details | 15:32 |
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| bswartz | caitlin-nexenta: if there's a trick we can use to force all the ugliness into neutron I'd be thrilled | 15:33 |
| navneet | caitlin-nexenta: +1 | 15:33 |
| caitlin-nexenta | You mean allow neutron to provide more features. ;-) | 15:33 |
| bill_az | bswartz: can we hide the details of the connection type from the drivers? can those details be encapsulated in connection class? | 15:33 |
| bswartz | At the end of the day, the backends will have to understand the differences between tenants though | 15:33 |
| navneet | how abt having a connection manager to deal with different networks | 15:34 |
| bswartz | bill_az: I want to minimize how much the drivers have to deal w/ because we want to make drivier writing easy | 15:34 |
| caitlin-nexenta | bill_az: I don't see how you hide the difference between 0 and 1. It is the context thaqtyou do authentiation in. | 15:34 |
| navneet | also interface with neutron | 15:34 |
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| bswartz | however I think you'll see that when you consider all the issues there's no way to encapsulate a solution in something simple and clean | 15:35 |
| bswartz | nevertheless we will strive toward something simple and clean! | 15:35 |
| ekarlso | can I ask, what's Manila ? | 15:35 |
| shamail | bswartz: Let's get the wiki out there. I think this topic will have great discussions. | 15:35 |
| vbellur | I think it would be good to await out bswartz's proposal. | 15:35 |
| bswartz | these are longer term issues though, lets get back to the next week or 2 | 15:35 |
| bswartz | ekarlso: a file-share management service for OpenStack | 15:36 |
| bswartz | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Shares_Service | 15:36 |
| ekarlso | wasn't that a part of cinder ? | 15:36 |
| bswartz | ekarlso: yes! | 15:36 |
| bswartz | ekarlso: it was never accepted and we've move the code to this new project called manila | 15:36 |
| bswartz | moved* | 15:36 |
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| bswartz | #topic quotas | 15:37 |
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| bswartz | okay so last week we spent a few minutes discussion the question of how quotas interact w/ snapshots | 15:38 |
| bswartz | discussing* | 15:38 |
| bswartz | if you allocate a 10GB NFS share, that counts as 10GB towards your quota | 15:38 |
| caitlin-nexenta | Where would quotas be enforced? (stepping directly into the first tar-pit) | 15:38 |
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| bswartz | however if you only fill up 1GB of that share and then take a snapshot, it feels like charging another 10GB to your quota is not the right thing to do | 15:39 |
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| bswartz | intuitively, we should charge 1GB to the quota in that case | 15:39 |
| caitlin-nexenta | And if your NAS target does compression and/or dedup, do you get credit? | 15:39 |
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| shamail | bswartz: Array-level snapshots? | 15:39 |
| bswartz | The problem comes in when you're trying to figure out how much space was actually consumed out of the 10GB | 15:40 |
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| bswartz | I believe that drivers are going to need to provide that information because manila will not be able to determine it in a generic way | 15:40 |
| caitlin-nexenta | The big question is: are the quotas for guaranteed resources or actually consumed resources? | 15:40 |
| caitlin-nexenta | Actual consumption is more useful, but only the targets can provide that data. | 15:41 |
| bswartz | caitlin-nexenta: regarding space savings from vendor-specific technologies, I think we have to hide those savings from end-users and make the admin the beneficiary of them | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | the reason for this is because we don't want inconsistent behaviour in multivendor environments | 15:42 |
| caitlin-nexenta | At least for cross-tenant savings, otherwise you are leaking info between tenants. | 15:42 |
| tkatarki | i would think quota is "not to exceed" limit | 15:42 |
| yportnova__ | bswartz: in this case how we can reserve resources? | 15:43 |
| bswartz | tkatarki: yes the idea is that manila will enforce your quota by preventing you from taking a snapshot or creating a new share when you've reached your quota | 15:43 |
| caitlin-nexenta | But are those limits enforced in a client with *no* concept of what actual resources are used, or in the target with deliberately limited single-tenant knowledge? | 15:44 |
| caitlin-nexenta | Particularly with snapshots, the client view will radically overstate the usage of storage with a Netapp or ZFS style snapshot. | 15:44 |
| bswartz | if we can agree that the drivers are required to report the "size" of a snapshot after its created, then the only issue is what kind of guidance do we provide to driver authors | 15:44 |
| tkatarki | quota is not same as usage. So I would think that it is an enforcement at the client | 15:45 |
| shamail | bswartz: wouldn't Manila only be aware of allocation vs consumption of resources? | 15:45 |
| bswartz | shamail: yes | 15:45 |
| shamail | bswartz: I like the idea of the drivers handling this | 15:45 |
| caitlin-nexenta | The client does not want to limit the total "size" of a single snapshot. They want to know how much disk space their snapshots are actually consuming. | 15:45 |
| bswartz | if you allocate a 10GB share, you lose 10GB from your quota immediately, even if you've written no data | 15:45 |
| tkatarki | that seems ok to me | 15:46 |
| bswartz | this is my proposal: | 15:46 |
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| caitlin-nexenta | If you snapshot a 10 GB share 10 times are you using 100 GB of quota? | 15:47 |
| bswartz | the "default" implementation of the snapshot size driver method should return the size of the share it was created from (which is the maximum value we could ever return) | 15:47 |
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| bswartz | we will suggest that driver authors provide a way to report how much space data the user has acutally filled up, not counting any space savings | 15:47 |
| caitlin-nexenta | bswartz: at the minimum a driver module should be able to report aggregate actual usage (with the no-cross-tenant leakage caveat). | 15:48 |
| tkatarki | guys let me ask a more basic question: is quota what u request to reserve when a file share is requested and created? That is, will I as a user be requesting 10GB and that is my "quota" | 15:48 |
| bill_az | if the driver returns both allocated and actually consumed space then the cloud operator has freedom to decide how to bill / account for this | 15:48 |
| vbellur | so would those be two separate methods? | 15:48 |
| bswartz | caitlin-nexenta: yes | 15:49 |
| caitlin-nexenta | Providing both figures allows an operator to intelligently decide how many snapshots to retain. | 15:49 |
| bswartz | the whole point of quotas in manila is to allow the manila admin to give a certain amount of space to a tenant that he can mange himself, either by creating new shares or taking snapshots of existing shares | 15:50 |
| bswartz | the question of how the backend enforces that you don't write 11GB in to a 10GB share is a different issue | 15:50 |
| bswartz | some controllers will use internal quotas to enforce such limits, and that's not what we're talking about | 15:51 |
| shamail | bswartz: There are also differences in how snapshot storage is allocated (reserved vs dynamic) and in either case snapshot capacity will change based on change rate. If we track utilization then thus information may need to be updated periodically | 15:51 |
| bswartz | shamail: I think that's exactly what we want to avoid | 15:51 |
| shamail | this* | 15:51 |
| shamail | bswartz: Agreed | 15:52 |
| bswartz | we don't want the size of a snapshot to change because someone changed something else in the system somewehre | 15:52 |
| bswartz | the size of the snapshot, for quota purposes, should be determined at the time it's taken | 15:52 |
| caitlin-nexenta | But how much disk resources are required for a specific snapshot *does* change over time, even when viewed from a single tentant perspective. | 15:53 |
| bswartz | then if the actual spaec consumed by the snapshot increases or decreases on the controller due to compression or dedupe or other files getting deleted, we don't care | 15:53 |
| caitlin-nexenta | I'm talking about how much overlap there is with the current file system. | 15:53 |
| caitlin-nexenta | With ZFS at the moment a snapshot is taken it is effectively consuming nearly zero disk space. | 15:54 |
| bswartz | caitlin-nexenta: that's why I want to return a number large enough that it represents a number that will never be exceeded under any circumstance (a worst-case space number) | 15:54 |
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| bswartz | caitlin-nexenta: that's right -- and the driver should not report the 0 number it should report how much data is in the snapshot | 15:54 |
| shamail | There needs to be a defined "cost" for snapshots (each vendor can specify via driver)... The actual capacity would be great but difficult to track. | 15:54 |
| caitlin-nexenta | A quota for *all* snapshots on those terms might be reasonable. | 15:54 |
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| vbellur | shamail: +1 | 15:55 |
| caitlin-nexenta | But stating a quota for *each* snapshot will grossly overallocate. | 15:55 |
| davenoveck | Ok, but the issue of ovelap with current use is different than that of overlap among snapshots. | 15:55 |
| bswartz | okay I'm sensing this issue might be a sensitive one and require refinement over time | 15:55 |
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| bswartz | I'm going to propose that we do something VERY conservative for now, and we plan to propose better solutions in the future | 15:55 |
| caitlin-nexenta | davenoveck: +1 | 15:56 |
| vbellur | bswartz: +1 | 15:56 |
| bswartz | so in the short term, we will massively overcharge users for snapshots w.r.t. quotas on most backends (except very stupid ones) | 15:56 |
| bswartz | if we can agree on a better system then we will implement that later -- but I feel that we need to get some kind of quota support in from the beginning | 15:56 |
| bswartz | we're almost out of time today | 15:57 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:57 |
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| bswartz | anyone have anything else to bring up? | 15:58 |
| vbellur | nothing from me | 15:58 |
| caitlin-nexenta | Have you given any thought to the issue of NFSv4 vs NFSv3? | 15:58 |
| shamail | Is there any intersection between quota management and ceilometer in the future? | 15:58 |
| bswartz | caitlin-nexenta: yes | 15:58 |
| bswartz | shamail: ceilometer is something I haven't spent time on but we will need to | 15:59 |
| vbellur | should we move discussions over to #openstack-manila? | 15:59 |
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| caitlin-nexenta | I'm assuming from a charter point of view that we will have to support both, do you agree? | 15:59 |
| bswartz | yes everyone is welcome to join #openstack-manila and continue talking after we lose this room | 15:59 |
| bswartz | expect an annoncement on the ML from me when we get into stackforge finally! | 16:00 |
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| bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| vbellur | bswartz: look forward to that! | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 19 16:00:41 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2013/manila.2013-09-19-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2013/manila.2013-09-19-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2013/manila.2013-09-19-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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| shamail | I have to run but great discussions!! Take care everyone. | 16:00 |
| vbellur | later everyone. | 16:00 |
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| aignatov_ | hi all, are the Savanna folks around? | 18:02 |
| ruhe | hi | 18:03 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | hi | 18:03 |
| alazarev | hi | 18:03 |
| nadya | o/ | 18:03 |
| rnirmal | hi | 18:03 |
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| jmaron | hi | 18:04 |
| akuznetsov | hi | 18:04 |
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| aignatov_ | what's about RedHat guys and Hortonworks? | 18:04 |
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| aignatov_ | ok, let's start | 18:05 |
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| aignatov_ | #startmeeting savanna | 18:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 19 18:05:32 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is aignatov_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: savanna)" | 18:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'savanna' | 18:05 |
| aignatov_ | #topic Agenda | 18:05 |
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| aignatov_ | #info News / updates | 18:05 |
| aignatov_ | #info Roadmap cleanup / update | 18:06 |
| aignatov_ | #info Action items from the last meeting | 18:06 |
| aignatov_ | #info General discussion | 18:06 |
| aignatov_ | #topic News / updates | 18:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News / updates (Meeting topic: savanna)" | 18:06 | |
| aignatov_ | what about EDP? | 18:06 |
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| nadya | yesterday I successfully run pig job usin UI | 18:07 |
| aignatov_ | smll note, Sergey is away today, I'm proxing him now | 18:07 |
| aignatov_ | that's great, Nadya! | 18:08 |
| aignatov_ | do you know knews from RedHat guys, Trevor and Chad working on edp? | 18:08 |
| aignatov_ | knews-> news | 18:08 |
| nadya | yes | 18:09 |
| aignatov_ | update from me, I've sent all patches related to moving vanilla to 1.2.1 Hadoop version | 18:10 |
| akuznetsov | we find work around with problem getting information about host | 18:10 |
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| akuznetsov | nova return hostId which is hash of tenant id and host name | 18:10 |
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| aignatov_ | so, don't froget to update images in your environments and labs:) | 18:11 |
| nadya | Trevor is working on job_manager refactoring and several bugs. Chad uploaded patch for UI that I've tested | 18:11 |
| akuznetsov | so knowing the rack configuration and using this information we can restore information about machine host | 18:11 |
| akuznetsov | code is available on following patch set | 18:12 |
| akuznetsov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/45434/ | 18:12 |
| aignatov_ | #info we find work around with problem getting information about host | 18:12 |
| aignatov_ | #info work in progress on UI part and refactorin job_manager for EDP | 18:13 |
| jmaron | what image updates do we have to make in association with host issue? | 18:14 |
| aignatov_ | hi, jmaron, what is that issue about? Can you give us more details? | 18:15 |
| rnirmal | akuznetsov: thanks for getting that in with the hostid... might be good to work with the scheduler team to get rack information as well.. but that's down the road | 18:15 |
| aignatov_ | #topic Roadmap cleanup / update | 18:16 |
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| rnirmal | jmaron: if you are referencing the rack/host information.. no changes should be needed for the image. the topology.sh script should be injected on start | 18:16 |
| jmaron | ok. I was worried about "so, don't froget to update images in your environments and labs" | 18:17 |
| aignatov_ | I think we should add Heat integration to for the next cycle after the Savanna 0.3 released | 18:17 |
| ruhe | aignatov_, isn't it already in the roadmap? | 18:18 |
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| aignatov_ | I knnow that we palnned to add Heat to Savanna 1.0 release, it was the far future in our minds before TC meetings | 18:19 |
| aignatov_ | ok | 18:19 |
| aignatov_ | #action aignatov Update roadmap with Heat integration | 18:20 |
| rnirmal | I think we need to have a separate heat discussion. someone can correct me... but heat is based on file templates ... which may lead to a hacky solution trying to map the cluster templates to heat templates. i.e I think they don't have a programmable option. Or we covert cluster template to a heat template. | 18:21 |
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| rnirmal | I've been trying to read up on heat.. hopefully will get to it this week | 18:22 |
| ruhe | rnirmal, i agree we don't need to pass hadoop cluster templates to Heat. But we can use Heat to provision and configure VMs with bare operating system | 18:22 |
| aignatov_ | that's good point rnirmal, | 18:22 |
| aignatov_ | ruhe, also +1 | 18:23 |
| ruhe | Heat might also take care of anty-affinity, cinder volumes, etc | 18:23 |
| aignatov_ | I've moving the next topic | 18:23 |
| aignatov_ | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 18:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: savanna)" | 18:23 | |
| aignatov_ | there are no AIs on the last meeting, so next topic :) | 18:24 |
| aignatov_ | #topic General discussion | 18:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "General discussion (Meeting topic: savanna)" | 18:24 | |
| aignatov_ | rnirmal, you can create doc on wiki and etherpad to rite pur proc and cons and defficulty with Heat interation in details | 18:25 |
| rnirmal | aignatov_: yes I'll create a doc for it | 18:26 |
| aignatov_ | I mean not only wiki pages with info why we can or cant use Heat in high level | 18:26 |
| nadya | yes, it's a good point. I think we should start thinking about integration with Heat | 18:26 |
| rnirmal | I'll start an etherpad which we can use to discussions first | 18:27 |
| rnirmal | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/savanna_heat | 18:27 |
| nadya | besides, Heat guys started to discuss autoscaling feature | 18:27 |
| jmaron | specifically interested in some of the ssh and /etc/hosts setup required for savanna | 18:27 |
| jmaron | (can heat allow for such VM post processing) | 18:28 |
| rnirmal | jmaron: yeah I don't think that feature has been completed yet | 18:28 |
| rnirmal | that will def be a blocker | 18:28 |
| jmaron | that's a problem | 18:28 |
| ruhe | jmaron, we'll need to implement it :) | 18:28 |
| ruhe | in Heat | 18:28 |
| jmaron | :) | 18:28 |
| ruhe | to be good citizens in OpenStack community | 18:29 |
| nadya | if we want something special for Savanna from AS-feature we should let them know I guess | 18:29 |
| aignatov_ | yes, we have to contribute to Heat in this case | 18:29 |
| aignatov_ | otherwise it'll be a long way to get Savanna integrated w/o Heat :) | 18:29 |
| rnirmal | yeah it's going to end up that way | 18:29 |
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| jmaron | I guess it would be clearer to TC what the savanna value proposition is post Heat integration | 18:31 |
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| aignatov_ | guys another request from Sergey and me: we have a tons of patches on the review | 18:32 |
| mattf | i'll take another shot at some this evening | 18:33 |
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| aignatov_ | please work with the code reviews more frequently | 18:33 |
| aignatov_ | that;s request for all | 18:34 |
| aignatov_ | thanks mattf | 18:35 |
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| aignatov_ | I'll try to merge patches with high raiting | 18:36 |
| aignatov_ | hihg rating I mean more than two +1/+2 | 18:37 |
| ruhe | Important reminder: Next TC meeting will be on Tuesday at 20:00 UTC at #openstack-meeting ; TC will vote for Savanna incubation | 18:37 |
| mattf | ruhe, thanks for the reminder | 18:37 |
| aignatov_ | thanks ruhe | 18:37 |
| aignatov_ | are there any other items to discuss? | 18:38 |
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| aignatov_ | 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 three | 18:41 |
| aignatov_ | 2 1 | 18:42 |
| aignatov_ | #endmeeting savanna | 18:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 19 18:42:26 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2013/savanna.2013-09-19-18.05.html | 18:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2013/savanna.2013-09-19-18.05.txt | 18:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2013/savanna.2013-09-19-18.05.log.html | 18:42 |
| aignatov_ | thank you all | 18:42 |
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| markwash | glance folks: o/ | 20:00 |
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| zhiyan | \o | 20:00 |
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| jbresnah_ | wave | 20:00 |
| markwash | #startmeeting glance | 20:00 |
| zhiyan | hey jbresnah_! | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 19 20:00:52 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markwash. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 20:00 |
| markwash | I'll go try a little highlighting in #openstack-glance | 20:01 |
| markwash | 3 is a quorum, I'm pretty sure :-) | 20:01 |
| rosmaita | four | 20:02 |
| markwash | rosmaita: hi! | 20:02 |
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| rosmaita | howdy! | 20:02 |
| esheffield | o/ | 20:02 |
| markwash | I've been out for most of the past week, so I'm feeling a bit out of touch | 20:02 |
| zhiyan | markwash: any topic in today's agenda? | 20:03 |
| markwash | but i've been looking through the rc1 bugs and it looks like we made some decent progress | 20:03 |
| markwash | zhiyan: yes, I would like to do the following | 20:03 |
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| markwash | 1) action items for resolving all current RC1 bugs | 20:03 |
| markwash | 2) action items for reviewing tasks | 20:03 |
| markwash | as we slowly approach unfreezing glance | 20:04 |
| markwash | 3) and action items for glanceclient | 20:04 |
| markwash | other topics? | 20:04 |
| jbresnah_ | i have some | 20:04 |
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| zhiyan | markwash: yes, talk about design summit topic? | 20:05 |
| jbresnah | flavio couldnt make it but he emailed me a couple of bugs he wanted to talk about | 20:05 |
| jbresnah | they might be covered in the above | 20:05 |
| jbresnah | and also i want to tell everyone that i am leaving red hat | 20:05 |
| zhiyan | jbresnah: :) | 20:05 |
| jbresnah | and what that will be like for me on glance etc | 20:05 |
| markwash | jbresnah: OK, let's make sure to work that in | 20:06 |
| markwash | zhiyan: sounds good, lets talk design summit topics as well | 20:06 |
| markwash | jbresnah: are you still going to be working on openstack stuff? | 20:06 |
| jbresnah | yes, but less so | 20:07 |
| zhiyan | markwash: cool. http://summit.openstack.org | 20:07 |
| jbresnah | :-( | 20:07 |
| jbresnah | i will still be a good glance citizen in terms of reviews | 20:07 |
| jbresnah | but probably less development | 20:07 |
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| markwash | I see. . well we'll be sad to see your coding contributions decrease :-( | 20:08 |
| jbresnah | nod | 20:08 |
| markwash | with all the great fixes and features you've added in havana, for example | 20:08 |
| jbresnah | was a tough call, but i will still be around | 20:08 |
| jbresnah | thanks! | 20:08 |
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| zhiyan | jbresnah: have a good career to you! | 20:09 |
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| jbresnah | zhiyan: this is not goodbye! | 20:09 |
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| zhiyan | jbresnah: :) of cause. (you know we talked this) | 20:10 |
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| markwash | all right. . well. . I guess we should take a quick look at rc 1 bugs | 20:10 |
| markwash | #topic rc1 bugs | 20:10 |
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| jbresnah | do you have a link to the list of them? | 20:10 |
| zhiyan | https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/havana-rc1 | 20:10 |
| markwash | #link https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/havana-rc1 | 20:10 |
| markwash | haha | 20:10 |
| markwash | twice | 20:10 |
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| nikhil | o/ | 20:10 |
| markwash | 7 In progress, 1 new, 5 committed | 20:11 |
| jbresnah | oh, this one is not real: https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1220919 | 20:11 |
| markwash | and I think the highest priority In Progress bugs have at least a single +2 | 20:11 |
| jbresnah | i jsut set it to invalid | 20:12 |
| markwash | ah, okay, thanks. . I was going to ask | 20:12 |
| markwash | I removed the milestone then too | 20:12 |
| jbresnah | 1213241 should be all set | 20:13 |
| jbresnah | just needs review | 20:13 |
| markwash | of note, it appears that the blocking jenkins issue was fixed in https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1213241 | 20:13 |
| jbresnah | flwang and zhiyan helped me through the last issue | 20:13 |
| jbresnah | yeah | 20:13 |
| markwash | #action more core reviews of https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1213241 | 20:13 |
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| markwash | flwang: zhiyan: thanks so much for that! I had been looking but was completely lost | 20:13 |
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| zhiyan | markwash: welcome :) | 20:14 |
| markwash | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1223516 needs another core look as well | 20:14 |
| markwash | #action more core reviews of https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1223516 | 20:14 |
| markwash | we have the same story with https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1218712 | 20:15 |
| markwash | that last one is metadata encryption for multiple locations | 20:15 |
| markwash | zhiyan: I gave my +2 this morning as I was trying to catch up on reviews | 20:15 |
| zhiyan | markwash: saw, thanks. | 20:15 |
| jbresnah | i'll get through some reviews this afternoon | 20:16 |
| zhiyan | markwash: for #1213241, i think jbresnah's patch is good enough to get merge IMO. | 20:16 |
| zhiyan | jbresnah: thank you. | 20:16 |
| markwash | I guess "more reviews" is the main message for those rc1 bugs | 20:16 |
| jbresnah | nod | 20:17 |
| markwash | with one standout: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1224449 | 20:17 |
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| zhiyan | markwash: humm, this one seems ttx has some different sounds, iirc,, | 20:17 |
| markwash | that one depends on a change to requirements | 20:18 |
| markwash | which has been blocked somewhat | 20:18 |
| zhiyan | markwash: nod | 20:18 |
| markwash | okay, it looks like ttx is okay with that requirements change at this point | 20:18 |
| zhiyan | markwash: ok, seems you like copy OrderedDict from package directly ... | 20:19 |
| markwash | I think we really need to fix that bug | 20:19 |
| markwash | I'd much prefer that we get the change in to requirements | 20:19 |
| markwash | but i we cant, I think copying in OrderedDict would work as a Havana fix | 20:19 |
| markwash | s/i we/if we/ | 20:19 |
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| zhiyan | markwash: and it obviously is a obviously solution.. | 20:20 |
| markwash | anyone here have strongish objections to just copying the implementation of OrderedDict into Glance if that's what it takes to fix this bug? | 20:21 |
| markwash | on the assumption that we would remove it asap for the Icehouse and future releases | 20:21 |
| jbresnah | sorry i am not familar with the bug yet | 20:21 |
| jbresnah | copy from oslo? | 20:21 |
| zhiyan | jbresnah: from https://pypi.python.org/pypi/ordereddict/1.1Â | 20:21 |
| markwash | it would involve copying from a project on pypi | 20:21 |
| markwash | I don't think the licensing is an issue at all, we can just preserve the original license | 20:22 |
| markwash | but its kinda nasty | 20:22 |
| jbresnah | | License :: OSI Approved :: MIT License | 20:22 |
| jbresnah | those are ok for a copy? | 20:22 |
| markwash | jbresnah: hmm, I guess maybe I should double check | 20:22 |
| zhiyan | markwash: is there have not any chance to allow us change requirement.txt at this stage?? | 20:23 |
| jbresnah | i am ok with the copy | 20:23 |
| markwash | zhiyan: its looking more and more likely we can still change requirements at this stage, but I just want to make sure people are okay with "holding their noses" while we copy and paste, if that is what is required | 20:24 |
| zhiyan | markwash: i'm ok with the copy too. thanks for explaining markwash. | 20:25 |
| markwash | okay great | 20:25 |
| markwash | I hope we don't have to take that option, but I don't think we can ship with that bug | 20:26 |
| markwash | since it will make property protection ordering non deterministic | 20:26 |
| jbresnah | yeah | 20:26 |
| zhiyan | markwash: nod | 20:26 |
| markwash | which would mean that you might match things in the wrong order. . breaks things the same as if your iptables rules were evaluated in a random order | 20:26 |
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| markwash | jbresnah: did flavio have any other bug notes for us? | 20:27 |
| zhiyan | markwash: it's a critical bug obviously | 20:27 |
| jbresnah | yeah but first a quick question on this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/45942/ | 20:27 |
| jbresnah | i am wondering if we lose context | 20:27 |
| jbresnah | we trap exceptions, create messages and then raise | 20:27 |
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| markwash | hmm, I wonder about that too now | 20:27 |
| jbresnah | with things like ValueError, will we lose the context for that exception? | 20:27 |
| jbresnah | StorageFull etc are probably not a problem | 20:28 |
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| jbresnah | i hate to stall it out on that | 20:28 |
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| markwash | based on a simple on the spot test, I don't think we lose context when we use a "raise" statement with no argument | 20:29 |
| jbresnah | oh, i mean something else | 20:29 |
| markwash | http://paste.openstack.org/show/47282/ | 20:29 |
| jbresnah | like, at this point in the code we know what a ValueError is caused by | 20:29 |
| jbresnah | but do we up the stack? | 20:29 |
| jbresnah | sure, we may have the wholestack trace | 20:30 |
| jbresnah | and can introspect that | 20:30 |
| jbresnah | but can we create sane error messages | 20:30 |
| jbresnah | that go to a user | 20:30 |
| jbresnah | does that make sense? | 20:30 |
| markwash | I think we do still "know" further up the stack | 20:30 |
| jbresnah | even for Exception and ValueError? | 20:30 |
| markwash | b/c we're not really changing the behavior here at all | 20:30 |
| markwash | if it raises before you layer in notifications, it still raises | 20:31 |
| markwash | I think the argument could be made that those exceptions are too general for this interface, but it seems like the semantics (too general though they may be) are intact after layering in notification | 20:31 |
| jbresnah | hmmm | 20:31 |
| jbresnah | look at the msg = for ValueError | 20:32 |
| markwash | how about we take it up in the review though. . I'm okay with a -1 :-) | 20:32 |
| jbresnah | sure sounds good | 20:32 |
| jbresnah | i will just 0 it tho | 20:32 |
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| jbresnah | ok, so flavio was concerned with these 2 | 20:32 |
| markwash | I mean, I'm okay with a -2 as well :-) I'd just be a little sad | 20:32 |
| jbresnah | heh | 20:32 |
| jbresnah | no, this is -1 worthy nitpick at best | 20:33 |
| jbresnah | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1004398 | 20:33 |
| jbresnah | i added comments to that after flavio brought it to my attention but it would be good for others to weigh in too | 20:33 |
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| jbresnah | https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1226078 | 20:33 |
| jbresnah | that one seems like something we should deal with | 20:34 |
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| jbresnah | i do not fully understand the problem yet | 20:34 |
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| jbresnah | but it is a potentially big security problem | 20:35 |
| markwash | okay interesting. . yeah both of those look signficant | 20:35 |
| markwash | for the first one, I'm wondering if its a glanceclient bug only? or is it both glanceclient and glance? | 20:35 |
| jbresnah | i think it is a glance bug | 20:35 |
| jbresnah | glance allows a client to set a bogus size value | 20:36 |
| jbresnah | but really all those values are just advisory | 20:36 |
| jbresnah | nothing is really vetted | 20:36 |
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| zhiyan | jbresnah: for glance server side, you meaning v1 or v2 api ? | 20:36 |
| jbresnah | i dont see it getting fixed for H | 20:36 |
| jbresnah | zhiyan: i think either? | 20:36 |
| jbresnah | zhiyan: but i am not certain | 20:36 |
| esheffield | I agree it seems more like a glance bug than glanceclient | 20:37 |
| zhiyan | jbresnah: iirc, v1 has checking code for that..compare http content-length with store driver returned size .. | 20:37 |
| zhiyan | esheffield: i think so markwash. | 20:37 |
| esheffield | esp with v2 where the client is more ignorant of the options, relying on the schema more | 20:37 |
| markwash | hmm okay | 20:38 |
| markwash | okay, I marked that first bug as triaged/confirmed | 20:39 |
| jbresnah | zhiyan: even when --location is used? | 20:39 |
| jbresnah | we should have a discussion on that bug | 20:39 |
| jbresnah | i posted some of my thoughts | 20:39 |
| zhiyan | jbresnah: yes, seems defect related with that situation, need check code deeply | 20:40 |
| markwash | re the second, security-related bug | 20:40 |
| markwash | I'm confused | 20:40 |
| markwash | it seems like that bug is just documenting the thing we don't like about v1 memberships | 20:40 |
| jbresnah | also with add location | 20:40 |
| jbresnah | how do verify size? | 20:40 |
| jbresnah | checksum? | 20:40 |
| jbresnah | that it is actually a replica | 20:40 |
| jbresnah | the second bug? | 20:40 |
| jbresnah | well i do not really understand the problem yet | 20:41 |
| jbresnah | maybe we should talk it over with flavio when he is around | 20:41 |
| markwash | okay, sounds good | 20:41 |
| markwash | #action jbresnah, flaper87, markwash discuss https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1226078 | 20:41 |
| markwash | okay | 20:41 |
| jbresnah | but i wold like to hear your understanding of too mark | 20:41 |
| jbresnah | at some point anyway | 20:42 |
| markwash | any other bugs of note for rc1? | 20:42 |
| jbresnah | not from me | 20:42 |
| markwash | #topic glanceclient | 20:42 |
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| markwash | esheffield: I saw your recent message to the list and have the review open in my browser | 20:43 |
| esheffield | yes - there were a couple of minor comments that I took care of this morning | 20:44 |
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| markwash | that looks like the main outstanding item for v2 support | 20:44 |
| esheffield | I think so | 20:44 |
| markwash | and it has some options for managing caching of schemas, so it seems | 20:45 |
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| jbresnah | esheffield: i am excited about that one landing btw | 20:45 |
| markwash | okay, well I just wanted to check in there. I expect to do another full pass on python-glanceclient reviews soon | 20:45 |
| esheffield | great, thanks! | 20:46 |
| zhiyan | jbresnah: esheffield: I believe other folks from other team will be also | 20:46 |
| markwash | does anyone have other notes for glanceclient work in the next week or so? | 20:46 |
| jbresnah | i dont | 20:46 |
| zhiyan | zhiyan: i have not | 20:46 |
| zhiyan | oh, markwash ^ | 20:46 |
| jbresnah | i do have a general question as a reviewer when there is a minute | 20:46 |
| markwash | #topic asynchronous tasks | 20:47 |
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| markwash | whoops | 20:47 |
| markwash | jbresnah: go ahead with your question | 20:47 |
| jbresnah | what can i approve/not approve? | 20:47 |
| markwash | I don't think there are really any restrictions at this time | 20:48 |
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| jbresnah | ok cool | 20:48 |
| markwash | we should avoid breaking backwards compatibility unless we're planning a major point release | 20:48 |
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| markwash | which we are getting close to | 20:48 |
| jbresnah | i am worried i will approve something in a freeze | 20:48 |
| markwash | no freeze for the client | 20:48 |
| jbresnah | oh i mean in general | 20:48 |
| jbresnah | glance too | 20:48 |
| markwash | oh | 20:48 |
| markwash | yeah, glance is still frozen, so only approve bugs targeted to rc1 | 20:49 |
| markwash | but feel free if you see something important to draw some attention to it so we can approve it if needed | 20:49 |
| markwash | that gives some good context for async tasks | 20:49 |
| markwash | we decided to try to land async tasks very early in Icehouse, which should open in about a week | 20:49 |
| markwash | so there is still good reason to be doing reviews there | 20:50 |
| jbresnah | yeah, ok | 20:50 |
| markwash | as I mentioned, I was out last week, and I'd like to do a deep dive on async tasks as I catch back up | 20:50 |
| jbresnah | so only things referencing these bugs: https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/havana-rc1 | 20:50 |
| markwash | jbresnah: right | 20:50 |
| markwash | nikhil: can you update me on the status of async tasks? | 20:50 |
| nikhil | markwash: here | 20:50 |
| nikhil | :) | 20:51 |
| nikhil | so, we created another wip/temp repo which has all the changes asyn workers need | 20:51 |
| nikhil | to make reviewers' and | 20:51 |
| nikhil | everyone who is working on it - their job easier to maintin the patch | 20:52 |
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| markwash | sounds good. . I think you emailed me the link, can you share it here though too? | 20:52 |
| nikhil | it has impl for a generic class which acts like interface | 20:52 |
| nikhil | sure | 20:52 |
| nikhil | and it has filesys-filesys importer almost complete | 20:53 |
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| nikhil | meaning there is some error on the domain proxy for a functional test which I'm resolving this week! | 20:53 |
| nikhil | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46117/ | 20:53 |
| nikhil | markwash: the plan was to make it robust and acceptable | 20:54 |
| nikhil | and then we can break it down and send it in? | 20:54 |
| markwash | #action markwash (and others!) perform early reviews with an eye towards landing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46117/ early in Icehouse | 20:54 |
| nikhil | I meant to ask if that is okay | 20:54 |
| nikhil | thanks markwash !! | 20:54 |
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| markwash | nikhil: I think that's fine, we can talk about how to break it up best in the review notes as well | 20:54 |
| markwash | but anything that makes it easier to work on for you guys is good | 20:54 |
| zhiyan | nikhil: seems it mixed all related changes in #46177, right? | 20:55 |
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| markwash | we have only 5 minutes left | 20:55 |
| markwash | and wanted to touch on design summit talks as well | 20:55 |
| nikhil | markwash: thanks | 20:55 |
| nikhil | zhiyan: yes | 20:55 |
| nikhil | that patch has all the changes which importer and tasks api would need | 20:56 |
| jbresnah | i have design summit topics, but it will have to be by proxy | 20:56 |
| zhiyan | nikhil: is it just for testing ? i mean do you still maintain other separated patchs? | 20:56 |
| nikhil | zhiyan: the current patches are not up to date | 20:56 |
| nikhil | as they were causing issues | 20:56 |
| nikhil | maintaining the earlier / depency patched by fei | 20:57 |
| nikhil | patches** | 20:57 |
| zhiyan | nikhil: so #46177 is latest code right? | 20:57 |
| nikhil | yes | 20:57 |
| zhiyan | nikhil: ok, got it. | 20:57 |
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| zhiyan | nikhil: thanks | 20:57 |
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| markwash | #topic design summit topics | 20:57 |
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| nikhil | zhiyan: the MP to be reviewed is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46117/ | 20:57 |
| nikhil | oops | 20:58 |
| zhiyan | markwash: jbresnah yes do you think we'd better talk about design seesion topic? | 20:58 |
| markwash | yeah, with the little time we have left | 20:58 |
| zhiyan | markwash: seems we have not one proposal in the list | 20:58 |
| jbresnah | zhiyan: should we throw them out here or is the web site for submission available yet? | 20:58 |
| nikhil | I've one but would not be able to make it to the summit | 20:58 |
| * markwash has forgotten where we are on that front, since we didn't have a project meeting this week | 20:59 | |
| zhiyan | markwash: when you cut them up? i mean from summit.openstack.org? | 20:59 |
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| markwash | I've got one or two ideas I've been kicking around that I'd like to discuss at the summit as well | 20:59 |
| zhiyan | markwash: do you think we can just put something we want, and review together later? | 20:59 |
| markwash | oh yeah, looks like its opened up | 21:00 |
| markwash | you guys can submit whatever you feel like there | 21:00 |
| jbresnah | zhiyan: i like that idea | 21:00 |
| jbresnah | cool | 21:00 |
| zhiyan | oh, seems time up.. | 21:00 |
| markwash | yeah, I think we're out of time | 21:00 |
| zhiyan | markwash: will ping you later | 21:00 |
| zhiyan | off line | 21:00 |
| markwash | thanks everybody | 21:00 |
| jbresnah | thanks! | 21:01 |
| zhiyan | thanks ! | 21:01 |
| markwash | #action submit your summit topics at http://summit.openstack.org ! | 21:01 |
| markwash | #endmeeting | 21:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 19 21:01:21 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2013/glance.2013-09-19-20.00.html | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2013/glance.2013-09-19-20.00.txt | 21:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2013/glance.2013-09-19-20.00.log.html | 21:01 |
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