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| dkoryavov | Hello muranoers! | 15:01 |
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| akuznetsova | Hi all | 15:02 |
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| dkoryavov | Muranoers, are you here? | 15:03 |
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| IgorYozhikov | hi | 15:04 |
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| ativelkov | Hi guys! | 15:04 |
| gokrokve | Hi | 15:04 |
| joel_c | hi | 15:04 |
| dkoryavov | OK :) | 15:04 |
| dmyznikov | Hi all! | 15:04 |
| dkoryavov | Let's start our meeting. | 15:04 |
| gokrokve | Hi Joel, good morning! | 15:04 |
| dkoryavov | #startmeeting Murano | 15:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 16 15:04:49 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dkoryavov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 15:04 |
| dkoryavov | Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda | 15:05 |
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| ativelkov | Gosha, before we begin, could you pleasr share a link to your Heat blueprint (The one which allows to configure autoscaling instance type)? | 15:05 |
| ativelkov | I cannot find it | 15:06 |
| gokrokve | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/autoscaling-instancse-typization | 15:06 |
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| dkoryavov | I suggest to change format of our meeting. First, I suggest to review our last week's actions. | 15:06 |
| gokrokve | I already discussed it with Heat team. They want to create a new implementation of Autoscaling groups, so all this should be available in a new implementation. | 15:07 |
| gokrokve | LEgacy AG will not be changed. | 15:07 |
| gokrokve | So, for now if we want to use it we have to patch Heat. | 15:07 |
| gokrokve | We already doing this for other reasons, so it is not a big deal. | 15:08 |
| ativelkov | gokrokve, - that's great news, new implementation is a good chance for us to propose new changes suitable for us | 15:08 |
| sergmelikyan | dkoryavov, there are no AI from previous week | 15:08 |
| gokrokve | Yes. We need to participate in their meetings. | 15:08 |
| gokrokve | I have a question about BP for Murano. | 15:08 |
| gokrokve | We have to approve them if we want to implement them in 0.3 version. | 15:09 |
| dkoryavov | gokrokve They want to create a new implementation of Autoscaling groups, so all this should be available in a new implementation. - is this short-term scope or long term? | 15:09 |
| gokrokve | I propose to do review via e-mail list @ openstack.org | 15:09 |
| gokrokve | dkoryavov: They plan to implement them during Icehouse release. So it is for 6 months | 15:09 |
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| dkoryavov | gokrokve I'm correct that you want to do a review for a blueprint before we'll include it into the our SOW? | 15:11 |
| ativelkov | this means that we will be able to contribute to that implementation (after Havanna release) | 15:11 |
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| sergmelikyan | gokrokve, BP review via email for our own BP's assigned for 0.3? | 15:12 |
| dkoryavov | gokrokve OK. That is a good news! | 15:13 |
| gokrokve | dkoryavov: No. There are BP on launchpad. We nedd to review them, assign to the release and approve. | 15:13 |
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| gokrokve | dkoryavov: And review via e-mail, yes. | 15:13 |
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| dkoryavov | sergmelikyan yes, so everyone can say what he was working last week. | 15:14 |
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| dkoryavov | gokrokve Well, it is sounds good for me. | 15:14 |
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| sergmelikyan | I had working on implementing support for allowed-address-pairs in Heat and using this feature in Conductor | 15:16 |
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| dkoryavov | #agreeed We should approve a blueprint (to do a review via e-mail list @ openstack.org) if we want to implement it in a new version. | 15:17 |
| sergmelikyan | Currently i had submitted few patches to Heat, and already finished workflow for Conductor. Only quick testing for this workflow is still in progress. | 15:17 |
| sergmelikyan | This means, that in next release of Murano we going to support only Havanna release of OpenStack (almost) without patches. | 15:18 |
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| ativelkov | I was working on sеcurity groups (found an issue with Heat, imlemented a workaround), and HighAvailability issues (fixed the major one, but found two cornercases which still break our HA, they need to be addressed in 0.3). Also did some reaserches with Heat and OpenStack Neutron | 15:19 |
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| dkoryavov | #info In next release of Murano we will support only Havanna release of OpenStack. | 15:19 |
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| dkoryavov | katyafervent, stanlagun ? | 15:21 |
| stanlagun | I work on Heat patches and our possible contributions | 15:22 |
| katyafervent | Currently I'm working on some installation problems | 15:22 |
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| stanlagun | I've submitted path for SSL in Heat. Still need to fix several unit tests and do some commit refactoring | 15:23 |
| dkoryavov | gokrokve Do you know something about this project? https://launchpad.net/taskflow | 15:23 |
| gokrokve | Yes. It looks like this ia a python library to simplify the workflow creation. | 15:24 |
| stanlagun | Regarding AutoscalingGroups I'm not yet sure if we can implement such plugin | 15:24 |
| gokrokve | It is not a Murano workflow engine. | 15:24 |
| gokrokve | stanlagun: Why? | 15:24 |
| joel_c | taskflow aims to be included in oslo; it is currently being implemented into cinder and they are attempting to get it reused across other projects; it will be a core part of another higher level project convection as I understand. | 15:25 |
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| stanlagun | There is a problem with cros dependencies. ServiceUnit will have to do the actual deployment of environment so that AutoscalingGroup could insert new instance IP into LB. But for environment to be deployed it has to wait for the Heat stack (that is currently resizing) to be in Ready state and then tri to update it. Seems like deadlock | 15:26 |
| dkoryavov | gokrokve I thought, maybe it is a good idea to make Murano Workflow engine independent project? | 15:27 |
| stanlagun | dkoryavov: Murano workflows are much more than a task scheduling | 15:27 |
| gokrokve | Agree. We have DSL languag, so our workflows are specific. | 15:28 |
| gokrokve | dkoryavov: Denis, can you please start BP review process. Send a list of BP planned for release 0.3 to openstack-dev [Murano] | 15:29 |
| dkoryavov | gokrokve OK. | 15:30 |
| sergmelikyan | And first of all they are declarative and dynamic. | 15:30 |
| gokrokve | We need to collect oll feedbacks it there are any. | 15:30 |
| stanlagun | Actually Murano Workflows are superset of Tasks proceiing engine to large degree. In theory Taskflows task could be defined in our workflows | 15:30 |
| ativelkov | so, may be we can reusу taskflow project in some way or another? | 15:31 |
| dkoryavov | Well, I do not think that our workflows are very specific. What is block us to create an independent project based on our workflows? | 15:32 |
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| ativelkov | we wanted to rewrite our workflow engine anyway: build a new DSL etc | 15:32 |
| dkoryavov | I suggest to think about this as minimum. | 15:33 |
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| stanlagun | Workflow include not just task preconditions but also Murano-sprcific actions to be performed when those conditions match | 15:33 |
| ativelkov | I don't see any reasons in creating a new general-porpose workflow engine, if some already exists in the community | 15:33 |
| gokrokve | Do not mic them. Taskflow is a library to create tasks and flows as a python objects. | 15:34 |
| ativelkov | stanlagun, but any task-based workflow engine should be extensible | 15:34 |
| ativelkov | ah, you mean - coded in python? | 15:34 |
| gokrokve | It has no any language. All flows are defined inside the code. | 15:35 |
| gokrokve | Yes. | 15:35 |
| dkoryavov | ativelkov as I can see taskflow is very young project, so murano workflows engine is more powerful. | 15:35 |
| ativelkov | if it is python-coded tasks, that it is not an option for us | 15:35 |
| gokrokve | We can reuse taskflow inside our engine, if it will simplify our development. | 15:35 |
| gokrokve | Just read their wiki page. | 15:35 |
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| gokrokve | Do we have anything else to discuss? | 15:40 |
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| dkoryavov | So, if taskflow will be included in oslo, as joel_c said, we will have to use it as far as I understand. | 15:40 |
| dkoryavov | gokrokve I think no. | 15:40 |
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| sergmelikyan | dkoryavov, not 'have to', i suppose | 15:42 |
| dkoryavov | #action dkoryavov will start BP review process for Murano v0.3 on the openstack-dev ML. | 15:42 |
| dkoryavov | sergmelikyan OK, 'should' :) | 15:44 |
| sergmelikyan | what about 'may'? ) | 15:44 |
| sergmelikyan | We not 'have to' or 'should' use anything from oslo | 15:45 |
| ativelkov | dkoryavov, if taskflow just defines workflows as python code, then we have no use of it | 15:45 |
| ativelkov | because we need safe yaml-based (or some other declarative markup) definitions | 15:46 |
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| ativelkov | we may (or may not) convert such definition to pre-build python code | 15:46 |
| dkoryavov | ativelkov taskflow is a young project. So everything can be changed. | 15:46 |
| ativelkov | bu this may (or may not) look ugly ) | 15:46 |
| ativelkov | so, let's look at this lib as soon as we know final requirements and specs to the new workflow engine | 15:47 |
| ativelkov | for now, we know nothing on this topic, so let's postpone this discussion | 15:47 |
| dkoryavov | OK, if we have no other items to discuss, I suggest to end our meeting. Let's speak about this on the next meeting. | 15:48 |
| dkoryavov | #endmeeting Murano | 15:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings (alternate)" | 15:48 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 16 15:48:24 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2013/murano.2013-09-16-15.04.html | 15:48 |
| dkoryavov | Bye! | 15:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2013/murano.2013-09-16-15.04.txt | 15:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2013/murano.2013-09-16-15.04.log.html | 15:48 |
| sergmelikyan | ativelkov, +100500 | 15:48 |
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| kgriffs | o/ | 16:00 |
| kgriffs | \o | 16:00 |
| kgriffs | /o/ | 16:00 |
| katyafervent | Bye! | 16:00 |
| kgriffs | \o\ | 16:01 |
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| flaper87 | YOOOOOOOOOO | 16:01 |
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| * acabrera distributes poptarts | 16:02 | |
| kgriffs | \o/ | 16:02 |
| acabrera | all set | 16:02 |
| * flaper87 eats them all | 16:02 | |
| * acabrera replicates poptarts from slave01 | 16:02 | |
| zyuan | ah wu | 16:02 |
| zyuan | ... | 16:02 |
| acabrera | :) | 16:02 |
| flaper87 | :0 | 16:02 |
| * kgriffs replicates poptarts from acabrera01 | 16:02 | |
| acabrera | woot | 16:02 |
| * flaper87 replicates other nodes poptarts into his node and consumes them all | 16:03 | |
| kgriffs | hehe | 16:03 |
| acabrera | lol | 16:03 |
| flaper87 | :D | 16:03 |
| * flaper87 is hungry | 16:03 | |
| kgriffs | ok, two minutes and we start | 16:03 |
| flaper87 | so so hungry | 16:03 |
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| * flaper87 will eat pancakes | 16:03 | |
| * kgriffs wasn't hungry, until everyone started talking about delicious toasted strudels | 16:03 | |
| acabrera | [$] | 16:03 |
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| kgriffs | any last-minute additions to the agenda? | 16:04 |
| kgriffs | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Marconi#Agenda | 16:04 |
| * kgriffs listens to crickets chirp | 16:04 | |
| kgriffs | ◔_◔ | 16:05 |
| acabrera | lol | 16:05 |
| kgriffs | #startmeeting marconi | 16:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 16 16:05:34 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kgriffs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 16:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'marconi' | 16:05 |
| kgriffs | #topic Review actions from teh last time | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review actions from teh last time (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 16:05 | |
| kgriffs | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2013/marconi.2013-09-09-16.06.html | 16:05 |
| flaper87 | yo yo yo | 16:06 |
| kgriffs | 2c. | 16:06 |
| flaper87 | hello team | 16:06 |
| kgriffs | looks like teh megan_w is MIA | 16:06 |
| * flaper87 will have to step out before the meeting ends, sorry guys | 16:06 | |
| flaper87 | I'll stay as much as possible | 16:06 |
| flaper87 | anyyyyyway | 16:06 |
| kgriffs | anybody notice a graduation tracking page go up on the wiki? | 16:07 |
| * kgriffs looks | 16:07 | |
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| acabrera | I haven't seen anything like that. | 16:07 |
| kgriffs | hmm, not seeing one | 16:07 |
| kgriffs | Let me take care of it | 16:07 |
| * flaper87 neither | 16:07 | |
| kgriffs | #action kgriffs to create a graduation tracking page | 16:07 |
| kgriffs | 4b. | 16:08 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: ^^^ | 16:08 |
| kgriffs | flaper87 to register a blueprint for tsung configs | 16:08 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: done | 16:08 |
| kgriffs | excellent | 16:08 |
| kgriffs | malini: 2c | 16:09 |
| flaper87 | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/tsung-configs | 16:09 |
| acabrera | +1 for link | 16:09 |
| malini | kgriffs: sorry, what is 2c ? | 16:10 |
| kgriffs | register bp for tsung XMLs | 16:10 |
| malini | flaper87 did tht | 16:10 |
| kgriffs | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2013/marconi.2013-09-09-16.06.html | 16:10 |
| kgriffs | kk | 16:10 |
| kgriffs | oops, just noticed we had duplicate actions - i remember now | 16:10 |
| kgriffs | :p | 16:10 |
| kgriffs | okie-dokie | 16:11 |
| kgriffs | moving right along | 16:11 |
| kgriffs | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Marconi#Agenda | 16:11 |
| kgriffs | #topic bugs | 16:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 16:11 | |
| acabrera | Bring on the bugs. | 16:11 |
| flaper87 | damn, guys, gotta step out now | 16:11 |
| flaper87 | I'll read the logs later | 16:11 |
| flaper87 | sorry about that | 16:11 |
| acabrera | dang. See ya later, flaper87! | 16:11 |
| kgriffs | kk, no worries | 16:12 |
| kgriffs | #link http://goo.gl/uKe5gp | 16:12 |
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| kgriffs | so, are any of these in progress that aren't so indicated (incorrect status)? | 16:13 |
| kgriffs | looks ok | 16:14 |
| acabrera | not that I'm aware of. | 16:14 |
| kgriffs | ok | 16:14 |
| acabrera | malini may have started looking into testscenarios. | 16:14 |
| kgriffs | malini: ^^^ ? | 16:14 |
| malini | I just had a quick review | 16:14 |
| kgriffs | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/marconi/+bug/1226081 | 16:14 |
| malini | Plan to start working on it next week | 16:14 |
| malini | So its not ready to change status yet | 16:15 |
| kgriffs | ok, when you do, it would be great if you could update the status to "in progress" | 16:15 |
| malini | sure | 16:15 |
| malini | will do | 16:15 |
| kgriffs | so, for the _next_marker one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/marconi/+bug/1218602 | 16:15 |
| kgriffs | The status on that is my first attempt didn't prove fruitful. I have something else in mind that should work a lot better. | 16:15 |
| kgriffs | not started on it, tho | 16:16 |
| kgriffs | the idea is to use a side-counter but increment it AFTER inserting the message, with a little heuristic to detect when a worker crashes before incrementing and sync the counter. This will also allow us to use Mongo's built-in TTL, if I'm not mistaken | 16:17 |
| zyuan | side-counter lgtm | 16:17 |
| kgriffs | anyway, the end result is we won't have to do an expensive find/sort on the messages collection | 16:17 |
| acabrera | +1 | 16:18 |
| kgriffs | kk | 16:18 |
| kgriffs | moving on | 16:18 |
| kgriffs | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/marconi/+bug/1203000 | 16:18 |
| kgriffs | so, Flavio is questioning whether this one is necessary after all | 16:18 |
| kgriffs | see his last comment here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/37869/ | 16:19 |
| kgriffs | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/37869/ | 16:19 |
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| acabrera | I remember that discussion. The current process for creating a marconi venv is pretty straightforward. | 16:20 |
| acabrera | create venv, install deps, do marconi things | 16:20 |
| kgriffs | so, I'd like everyone to noodle on it and we can vote next week wether to this is something we want in marconi | 16:20 |
| kgriffs | acabrera: agreed | 16:20 |
| kgriffs | ok, so anything else on the topic of bugs? | 16:20 |
| kgriffs | malini? | 16:20 |
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| malini | no | 16:20 |
| kgriffs | #topic Proxy | 16:21 |
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| kgriffs | acabrera: status? | 16:21 |
| acabrera | The mighty proxy~ | 16:21 |
| acabrera | There are plenty of patches needing review. | 16:21 |
| * acabrera goes link hunting | 16:21 | |
| acabrera | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43909/ (start here) | 16:21 |
| acabrera | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/44356/ | 16:21 |
| zyuan | and going to have more... | 16:22 |
| acabrera | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/44364/ | 16:22 |
| acabrera | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46328/ | 16:22 |
| acabrera | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46375/ | 16:22 |
| acabrera | and one more for testing | 16:22 |
| acabrera | As for status, in short... | 16:22 |
| acabrera | The marconi proxy has a working proof of concept. The next steps are: | 16:22 |
| acabrera | 1. Migrate to oslo.cache to remove all the Redis-specific details from the implementation/ | 16:22 |
| acabrera | 2. Finalize a storage driver implementation. MongoDB is close. | 16:23 |
| acabrera | 3. Implement hierarchical caching by taking (1) and (2) | 16:23 |
| acabrera | Those are the key components. | 16:23 |
| acabrera | I've been tackling (1) today. | 16:23 |
| acabrera | It's been slow going as I learn how to navigate oslo.config. | 16:23 |
| acabrera | Esp. from the python-cli. | 16:23 |
| amitgandhi | can zyuan help pick up 2 or 3 | 16:24 |
| acabrera | Yes - I'd recommend 2. He's been addressing marconi-proxy testing needs. | 16:25 |
| kgriffs | ok, assuming you just using the standard oslo.cache interface, we can plug in lru/redis/uwsgi/whatever when they are ready. I have those on my TODO list, fwiw. | 16:25 |
| amitgandhi | or is zyuan still busy on tests | 16:25 |
| kgriffs | #action kgriffs to work on cache backends | 16:25 |
| acabrera | kgriffs: awesome - I'll be using straight oslo.cache. I won't need more than that interface, AFAICT. | 16:25 |
| kgriffs | #action acabrera to migrate proxy to oslo.cache | 16:25 |
| acabrera | +1 | 16:25 |
| zyuan | what's the status of 2? | 16:26 |
| kgriffs | #action acabrera to finalize storage driver implementation/interface | 16:26 |
| acabrera | zyuan: There's an interface, the CFG stuff is mostly done, there are schemas, indices, and implementations for the interface. | 16:26 |
| acabrera | IIRC, the only thing missing was select() | 16:26 |
| zyuan | the non-forwarding part of tests is done | 16:27 |
| kgriffs | #action acabrera to use oslo.cache to cache catalog driver responses | 16:27 |
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| acabrera | Any other thoughts on the proxy? I'm moving forward with the current plan, full-speed ahead, otherwise. :) | 16:29 |
| kgriffs | acabrera: are you going to maintain a blacklist? If so, how? | 16:30 |
| kgriffs | (for backend nodes) | 16:30 |
| kgriffs | (may be haproxy or webheads themselves) | 16:30 |
| acabrera | I haven't designed that portion yet. However, I would like to address that aspect after the current actions are wrapped up. | 16:31 |
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| acabrera | The basic flow would be to remove a node from the nodes list after seeing enough failures from it. | 16:32 |
| kgriffs | acabrera: ok, let's discuss that in #openstack-marconi when are ready to tackle it | 16:33 |
| acabrera | thanks, kgriffs | 16:33 |
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| kgriffs | ok, the next one was an API audit, but I wanted flaper87 to be here for that | 16:33 |
| kgriffs | s/one/topic | 16:33 |
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| kgriffs | which brings us to… | 16:34 |
| kgriffs | #topic Open discussion | 16:34 |
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| acabrera | This is more time for open discussion than we've ever had. :P | 16:35 |
| kgriffs | FYI, we will discuss/plan a notifications service at the HKG summit | 16:35 |
| kgriffs | if you have thoughts on it anytime, pls. ping al-maisan | 16:35 |
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| kgriffs | the idea is to make it part of marconi initially; if/when it gets big we will split it out to it's own project, but it will need to get incubated on it's own if that happens | 16:36 |
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| acabrera | +1 | 16:36 |
| acabrera | it's related enough that I don't have any problems growing it with marconi until it needs to leave the nest. | 16:36 |
| kgriffs | kk | 16:37 |
| kgriffs | in other news, I plan to bump the max falcon version in requirements.txt to 0.1.7 | 16:37 |
| kgriffs | that way we get OPTIONS support (thanks to zyuan!) | 16:37 |
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| acabrera | awesome | 16:37 |
| kgriffs | and everyone is aware that the repo has moved, right? | 16:37 |
| kgriffs | (for Marconi) | 16:38 |
| acabrera | yes | 16:38 |
| zyuan | yes... | 16:38 |
| malini | yes | 16:38 |
| zyuan | git review failed | 16:38 |
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| acabrera | It's caused a little chaos with git review, but nothing too bad. :P | 16:38 |
| kgriffs | #link https://github.com/openstack/marconi | 16:38 |
| kgriffs | yeah, looks like we are blocked on pypi timing out last i checekd | 16:38 |
| kgriffs | ok, anything else guys? | 16:39 |
| acabrera | hmm... | 16:39 |
| kgriffs | btw, the gerrit links also changed if you didn't notice | 16:39 |
| kgriffs | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/marconi,n,z | 16:39 |
| kgriffs | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-marconiclient,n,z | 16:40 |
| acabrera | heh, yeah - lots of minor breaking changes by the migration | 16:40 |
| zyuan | ah! | 16:40 |
| acabrera | still, it means we got *migrated*. :D | 16:40 |
| zyuan | need to reconfigure git review? | 16:40 |
| acabrera | yup, zyuan | 16:40 |
| kgriffs | there is a patch pending to do that | 16:41 |
| acabrera | Do we have a patch in for that yet? | 16:41 |
| acabrera | Ahh, there. | 16:41 |
| kgriffs | blocked on global requirements | 16:41 |
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| kgriffs | which is blocked on pypi heat package | 16:41 |
| acabrera | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46628/ | 16:41 |
| kgriffs | which is blocked by YOUR FACE | 16:41 |
| * kgriffs is kidding | 16:41 | |
| acabrera | sounds like it's perma-blocked, in that last case. ;P | 16:41 |
| zyuan | hmm. i did so | 16:42 |
| zyuan | but jenkins seems to be broken | 16:42 |
| kgriffs | ok guys, anything else? we can wrap up early and give you an extra 15 minutes of your life back. | 16:42 |
| zyuan | ok, i see | 16:42 |
| acabrera | nah. all marconi-related matters have been addressed, AFAICT | 16:43 |
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| kgriffs | #endmeeting | 16:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 16 16:44:26 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2013/marconi.2013-09-16-16.05.html | 16:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2013/marconi.2013-09-16-16.05.txt | 16:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2013/marconi.2013-09-16-16.05.log.html | 16:44 |
| kgriffs | thanks folks | 16:44 |
| kgriffs | keep on rockin' | 16:44 |
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| sarob | hey colinmcnamara1 | 19:55 |
| sarob | howd yesterday go? | 19:55 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting training-manuals | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 16 20:00:07 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_manuals' | 20:00 |
| cmcnamara | colin here | 20:00 |
| sarob | hello | 20:00 |
| sarob | anyone else? | 20:00 |
| cmcnamara | hello | 20:00 |
| sarob | hmm, we need to change something | 20:01 |
| sarob | you and i are the only cores showing up to the meetings | 20:01 |
| cmcnamara | you think it is time? | 20:01 |
| cmcnamara | what time is good for tristan | 20:01 |
| cmcnamara | early or late? | 20:01 |
| sarob | its 6am his time | 20:02 |
| sarob | 1am pranav's time | 20:02 |
| cmcnamara | so, no good for either | 20:02 |
| sarob | mestery not interested anymore? | 20:03 |
| cmcnamara | I know he is traveling this week | 20:03 |
| sarob | well he has never shown up to a meeting | 20:04 |
| cmcnamara | he has been in a crunch with Nuetron + ovsdb | 20:04 |
| cmcnamara | yeah | 20:04 |
| sarob | maybe he didnt know or remember | 20:04 |
| cmcnamara | possible. I know he is super overcommited right now | 20:04 |
| sarob | could really use a few more eyeballs | 20:04 |
| cmcnamara | agreed | 20:04 |
| sarob | on getting more committers | 20:04 |
| cmcnamara | so, the perfect global time is 7:00 PM | 20:05 |
| cmcnamara | syndney is 12 hours off | 20:05 |
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| cmcnamara | err | 20:05 |
| cmcnamara | pune is 12 off | 20:05 |
| cmcnamara | and sydney is +15 | 20:05 |
| sarob | right | 20:05 |
| cmcnamara | not sure what pranav's work hours are | 20:06 |
| sarob | est would kinda stink at +3 | 20:06 |
| cmcnamara | doh | 20:06 |
| cmcnamara | good call | 20:06 |
| sarob | but we have pst, and sydney, and india committers right now | 20:06 |
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| sarob | no europe or est or cst | 20:06 |
| cmcnamara | building a time table right now to check for the witching hour | 20:07 |
| sarob | 7pm pst would be 12pm sydney and 7-9am india | 20:07 |
| sarob | would stink for europe | 20:08 |
| cmcnamara | http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?iso=20130916&p1=224&p2=179&p3=195&p4=240&p5=1038 | 20:08 |
| sarob | but loic is too busy right now | 20:08 |
| sarob | slightly suck for cst and est | 20:08 |
| sarob | but doable | 20:08 |
| sarob | i like 7pm pst | 20:09 |
| cmcnamara | I like too, but that kills our east coast guys | 20:09 |
| cmcnamara | well, theoretical | 20:09 |
| sarob | right | 20:09 |
| cmcnamara | and when we get the beta out, there a bunch of users groups on the east coast | 20:09 |
| sarob | lets worry about our aptira committers | 20:09 |
| cmcnamara | including one in my office in alpharetta | 20:09 |
| sarob | oh | 20:09 |
| sarob | well | 20:09 |
| sarob | err | 20:10 |
| * sarob sigh | 20:10 | |
| rev | The only solution we have found for teaching worldwide is to hold two meetings, typcially 7am and 7pm (Los Angeles) | 20:10 |
| cmcnamara | 7am is better imho | 20:10 |
| rev | 7am cover Americas and most of Europe | 20:10 |
| rev | 7pm is for Asia | 20:10 |
| cmcnamara | http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2013&month=9&day=17&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=224&p2=179&p3=195&p4=240&p5=1038 | 20:10 |
| sarob | hmm, bad for sydney, but... | 20:11 |
| cmcnamara | it is midnight in sidney | 20:11 |
| cmcnamara | and evening in pune | 20:11 |
| cmcnamara | made an assumption that prahpul is in pune | 20:11 |
| sarob | pranav not sure | 20:11 |
| sarob | he told me 12 hours ahead | 20:12 |
| sarob | ill go over the agenda stuff real quick for the records | 20:12 |
| cmcnamara | k | 20:12 |
| sarob | #topic review action items from last meeting | 20:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "review action items from last meeting (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 20:13 | |
| sarob | #info ACTION: sarob setup reoccuring hangout for thurs sfbay hackathons (sarob, 20:11:09) | 20:13 |
| sarob | i havent figured that out yet | 20:13 |
| cmcnamara | two ways | 20:13 |
| cmcnamara | first way, is to create a google event | 20:13 |
| cmcnamara | and then update when you launch | 20:13 |
| cmcnamara | = sub optimal | 20:14 |
| sarob | i can create a scheduled onair hangout event, but cant start it | 20:14 |
| cmcnamara | second way | 20:14 |
| cmcnamara | is set up a page with a redirect | 20:14 |
| cmcnamara | even better | 20:14 |
| cmcnamara | set up a page with a redirect and update it when you start the hangout | 20:14 |
| sarob | right, i was going to do that | 20:15 |
| cmcnamara | I was obviously experimenting with the sprint | 20:15 |
| sarob | #action sarob create html 5sec refresh page with redirect to onair hangout URL | 20:15 |
| sarob | where to put it.... | 20:16 |
| sarob | i can create a page on sarob.com | 20:16 |
| sarob | like openstack-sfbay-hackathon.sarob.com | 20:17 |
| cmcnamara | works for me. I can throw up a bunch of sites if you need | 20:17 |
| cmcnamara | including sdnopencloud.net | 20:17 |
| cmcnamara | l;) | 20:17 |
| cmcnamara | sounds like a plan | 20:17 |
| sarob | #url waytooopencloud.net | 20:18 |
| cmcnamara | LOL = win | 20:18 |
| sarob | #info ACTION: colinmcnamara will write up user groups, contacts, and status for reproducing sfbay training focused hackathons (sarob, 20:24:37) | 20:18 |
| cmcnamara | no done yet | 20:19 |
| cmcnamara | I captured some lessons learned from the sprint | 20:19 |
| cmcnamara | e.g. jambox for hangouts | 20:19 |
| cmcnamara | question. do you think I should throw it in the training guide | 20:20 |
| sarob | my quickie list for next takers would be | 20:20 |
| cmcnamara | or should I put it on the wiki? | 20:20 |
| cmcnamara | so, vote for the training-guide? | 20:20 |
| sarob | austin, seattle, LA, DC, new york, boston, sydney, | 20:20 |
| cmcnamara | next takers = user groups? | 20:20 |
| sarob | denver, minn | 20:20 |
| sarob | yeah | 20:20 |
| cmcnamara | when we have the beta ready to delivery, I also have the Alpheretta group ready | 20:21 |
| sarob | NC? | 20:21 |
| cmcnamara | I had one of my SE managers found it | 20:21 |
| cmcnamara | Alpharetta is in GA | 20:21 |
| sarob | oh right | 20:21 |
| cmcnamara | outside of ATL | 20:21 |
| cmcnamara | and then we have philly | 20:21 |
| cmcnamara | my vote, we keep a short list for the alpha | 20:21 |
| sarob | and pittsburg | 20:21 |
| cmcnamara | and then expand for the beta | 20:21 |
| cmcnamara | yes | 20:21 |
| cmcnamara | Pyladies cross over | 20:22 |
| sarob | okay this | 20:22 |
| sarob | austin, LA, sydney for alpha | 20:22 |
| cmcnamara | should we include SFbay? | 20:22 |
| cmcnamara | or is that implicit | 20:22 |
| sarob | ny, dc, boston, seattle, denver, atl, minn, philly, pitts | 20:23 |
| sarob | beta | 20:23 |
| sarob | right sf for alpha | 20:23 |
| cmcnamara | I 2nd that vote | 20:23 |
| cmcnamara | I want to have slides ready as a deliverable for the alpha though | 20:23 |
| cmcnamara | as in, a techable course | 20:24 |
| sarob | #info sf, austin, LA, sydney for alpha training rollout | 20:24 |
| sarob | #info ny, dc, boston, seattle, denver, atl, minn, philly, pitts for beta training rollout | 20:24 |
| sarob | slides right for alpha | 20:24 |
| sarob | #topic docboot camp results | 20:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "docboot camp results (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 20:25 | |
| sarob | seems like a year ago already | 20:25 |
| cmcnamara | last week? | 20:25 |
| sarob | yeah | 20:25 |
| cmcnamara | it's been a long couple weeks | 20:25 |
| sarob | im so glad i didnt go to linuxcon | 20:26 |
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| cmcnamara | me too | 20:26 |
| sarob | id be sleeping right now in the hotel | 20:26 |
| cmcnamara | exactly | 20:26 |
| cmcnamara | so, results | 20:26 |
| cmcnamara | are we combining docsbootcamp and sprint into this discussion? | 20:26 |
| sarob | i was going to separate them but whatever | 20:27 |
| rev | Problem with camp was I felt no structure. Success was I feel I finally got a feel for the OpenStack community. | 20:27 |
| sarob | hey there | 20:27 |
| cmcnamara | yes, I don't think there was much structure. Good or bad | 20:28 |
| cmcnamara | I know this is the first one for Anne | 20:28 |
| sarob | openflow :) | 20:28 |
| rev | Suggest for next time have some state objectives that are measurable. | 20:28 |
| cmcnamara | docs bootcamp | 20:28 |
| cmcnamara | or sprint? | 20:28 |
| rev | ... also good idea for your alpha and beta class | 20:28 |
| rev | sprint problems were technical | 20:28 |
| rev | i.e,, Maven not working OOTB | 20:29 |
| rev | (out of the box) | 20:30 |
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| sarob | yeah, it was a mix of n00b and oldtimers | 20:30 |
| sarob | doesnt work for structure | 20:30 |
| cmcnamara | still on docsbootcame? | 20:30 |
| cmcnamara | camp | 20:30 |
| cmcnamara | I agree btw | 20:30 |
| cmcnamara | but still, I got alot out of it | 20:30 |
| sarob | me too | 20:30 |
| cmcnamara | conversations with jim and david kramer were the top ones | 20:31 |
| rev | agreed | 20:31 |
| rev | good experience | 20:31 |
| cmcnamara | the api doc discusion was valuable | 20:31 |
| sarob | its still too fluid to expect structure i think | 20:31 |
| cmcnamara | yes | 20:31 |
| cmcnamara | want to formally discuss the sprint = areas to improve / lessons learned? | 20:31 |
| sarob | #topic training sprint day 11sep results | 20:32 |
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| rev | suggest, debug process before meeting so participant have better chance at success | 20:32 |
| cmcnamara | agreed | 20:32 |
| rev | ... or it could've been my weird (i.e., Windows) box | 20:32 |
| rev | :-) | 20:32 |
| cmcnamara | well, I think there is a pre-sprint setup | 20:33 |
| cmcnamara | so, attendees that join sprint | 20:33 |
| rev | tell everyone to bring a Mac or Linux or dont bother. ;-D | 20:33 |
| cmcnamara | will ideally have had one or two patches in | 20:33 |
| sarob | this was the first time everyone was actually committing a page | 20:33 |
| cmcnamara | we can coach before | 20:33 |
| sarob | right | 20:33 |
| sarob | mentor run through would have caught the bugs | 20:33 |
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| rev | right! | 20:34 |
| cmcnamara | I think that is an action - create sprint prep document (I have that one) | 20:34 |
| cmcnamara | #action colin to create sprinter prep guide | 20:34 |
| sarob | #action cmcnamara to create sprinter prep guide | 20:34 |
| rev | Are there any test scripts to verify that Docs chain is setup correctly (locally)? | 20:35 |
| cmcnamara | I feel that google hangout worked OK | 20:35 |
| sarob | hangout was fine | 20:35 |
| cmcnamara | setting up a speaker phone, or jambox to one laptop would have stopped the echo | 20:35 |
| sarob | right | 20:35 |
| cmcnamara | I have a jambox now, and google hangout can dial into a conference phone | 20:35 |
| sarob | rev: i think the tools are so flaky that a script would be more work that just installing and debuging the tools | 20:36 |
| cmcnamara | also, making sure to pre-coach sprint attendees | 20:36 |
| cmcnamara | to make sure their workstations are set up | 20:36 |
| cmcnamara | is a must | 20:36 |
| cmcnamara | to make use of time | 20:37 |
| sarob | we as mentors need to have more experience debuging build tools | 20:37 |
| rev | agreed. More time spent on content the better | 20:37 |
| cmcnamara | agree | 20:37 |
| rev | .. i.e., not the process | 20:37 |
| cmcnamara | that being said, we were able to get new commiters | 20:38 |
| sarob | im hoping the updated commit instructions are a vast improvement | 20:38 |
| cmcnamara | maybe there is something to be said to holding special hackathon day, just for setup | 20:38 |
| cmcnamara | the week before a sprint | 20:38 |
| rev | good idea | 20:38 |
| sarob | well, that what i was doing at the hackathon | 20:38 |
| sarob | i think at least | 20:38 |
| rev | true | 20:38 |
| cmcnamara | I was thinking, attendee checkbox | 20:39 |
| cmcnamara | something we can do to help ease the process, and get focus on merging | 20:39 |
| sarob | the hackathons should be all comers | 20:39 |
| cmcnamara | agreed | 20:39 |
| sarob | users of training, new committers without tools installed | 20:39 |
| cmcnamara | I am differentiating between a sprint and a hackaton | 20:39 |
| sarob | oldtimers committing, and mentors | 20:39 |
| sarob | right, okay | 20:40 |
| sarob | sprint should have only oldtimers committing , but we making oldtimer committers right now | 20:40 |
| cmcnamara | I am just setting the expecations for sprint #2. We make sure to mentor new commiters the week before on the preocess | 20:41 |
| sarob | by next sprint rev will be mentoring the n00b | 20:41 |
| cmcnamara | so we can get 1:1 time with them | 20:41 |
| cmcnamara | ;) | 20:41 |
| rev | agreed... hopefully | 20:41 |
| cmcnamara | and then during the sprint, we are focused on coordinating work | 20:41 |
| sarob | agreed | 20:41 |
| cmcnamara | I am being inclusive, just acknowleging that 1:1 time is necessary for an individual before a sprint | 20:42 |
| sarob | #action pre-sprint hackathon at training user group locations focused on sprint readiness | 20:42 |
| sarob | moving on? | 20:43 |
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| cmcnamara | yes | 20:43 |
| sarob | #topic target date for associate guide rough draft publish | 20:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "target date for associate guide rough draft publish (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 20:44 | |
| sarob | we still have alot of work to do | 20:44 |
| cmcnamara | yes, I think that it is a bit pre-mature to put a target date | 20:44 |
| cmcnamara | I do think we need to start managing by a burn down chart | 20:45 |
| cmcnamara | and at least get an estimate of work hours | 20:45 |
| sarob | alpha training user groups will start with rough draft associate guide, right? | 20:45 |
| cmcnamara | current burndown chart = 75 hours of work remaining | 20:46 |
| cmcnamara | with an estimation of 1 hour per card | 20:46 |
| sarob | sounds about right | 20:46 |
| sarob | we should assume that the people we have involved are it for right now | 20:46 |
| cmcnamara | yes, | 20:46 |
| cmcnamara | on a positive note | 20:46 |
| sarob | pranav, colin, sarob, rev, keith, | 20:47 |
| cmcnamara | we are now actually burning down items | 20:47 |
| sarob | five is good | 20:47 |
| cmcnamara | vs increasing faster then we decrease in work | 20:47 |
| cmcnamara | Summary stats | 20:47 |
| cmcnamara | Total Cards: 123 | 20:47 |
| cmcnamara | Remaining Cards: 80 | 20:47 |
| cmcnamara | Done Cards: 43 | 20:47 |
| cmcnamara | Percent of cards done: 34.96% | 20:47 |
| sarob | five is a good number to start with | 20:47 |
| cmcnamara | Hours at start: 73 | 20:47 |
| cmcnamara | Hours est total: 93 | 20:47 |
| cmcnamara | Hours remaining: 61 | 20:47 |
| cmcnamara | Hours done: 32 | 20:47 |
| cmcnamara | Percent of hours done: 34.41% | 20:47 |
| sarob | cool | 20:47 |
| cmcnamara | -------- | 20:47 |
| cmcnamara | Days Elapsed 20 | 20:47 |
| cmcnamara | Daily Burndown 1.6 | 20:47 |
| cmcnamara | Est. Days Left 47 | 20:47 |
| cmcnamara | Est. Completion Date 11/02/13 | 20:47 |
| cmcnamara | well, there you go. estimated completion 11/02 | 20:48 |
| sarob | ill start eating cards | 20:48 |
| cmcnamara | doh, forgot to put hours on some cards | 20:48 |
| cmcnamara | let me rerun | 20:48 |
| sarob | =80/5 | 20:48 |
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| sarob | hey dguitarbite | 20:48 |
| sarob | excellent timing | 20:49 |
| cmcnamara | updated project stats - | 20:49 |
| cmcnamara | Summary stats | 20:49 |
| cmcnamara | Total Cards: 123 | 20:49 |
| cmcnamara | Remaining Cards: 80 | 20:49 |
| cmcnamara | Done Cards: 43 | 20:49 |
| cmcnamara | Percent of cards done: 34.96% | 20:49 |
| cmcnamara | Hours at start: 61 | 20:49 |
| cmcnamara | Hours est total: 123 | 20:49 |
| cmcnamara | Hours remaining: 80 | 20:49 |
| cmcnamara | Hours done: 43 | 20:49 |
| cmcnamara | Percent of hours done: 34.96% | 20:49 |
| cmcnamara | -------- | 20:49 |
| cmcnamara | Days Elapsed 20 | 20:49 |
| cmcnamara | Daily Burndown 2.15 | 20:49 |
| cmcnamara | Est. Days Left 35 | 20:49 |
| cmcnamara | Est. Completion Date 10/21/13 | 20:49 |
| cmcnamara | one important note, we have doubled the estimated effort from the start | 20:49 |
| cmcnamara | url for burndown board - https://BurndownForTrello.com/share/9c3rfd2fu9 | 20:50 |
| sarob | 5 devs, 80 cards, 16 cards apiece | 20:51 |
| sarob | doable | 20:51 |
| cmcnamara | could go fast, could go slow. There is still some debugging time | 20:51 |
| cmcnamara | but absolutely doable | 20:51 |
| cmcnamara | Keith and I will be doing a mobile hackathon on tuesday | 20:52 |
| cmcnamara | err thursday | 20:52 |
| sarob | okay so lets target end of october for alpha release of associate training-guide to the alpha user groups | 20:52 |
| cmcnamara | we are driving to the desert | 20:52 |
| cmcnamara | I'd put some slack | 20:53 |
| cmcnamara | but that is just me | 20:53 |
| cmcnamara | give it a week | 20:53 |
| sarob | summit is nov | 20:53 |
| cmcnamara | that puts the alpha at the summit | 20:53 |
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| sarob | i think that month of debugging and feedback before the summit is critical | 20:53 |
| cmcnamara | also with lots of the user group leaders there | 20:53 |
| cmcnamara | summit is nov8 | 20:54 |
| cmcnamara | that is just a week after the end of october | 20:54 |
| sarob | otherwise it will just be a bitch session on what is broken | 20:54 |
| cmcnamara | ok, I'm just estimating time here | 20:54 |
| sarob | ahh, of course | 20:54 |
| cmcnamara | not trying to be pesimistic | 20:54 |
| * sarob brain flop | 20:54 | |
| cmcnamara | just trying to be aware that there are travel schedules, and day jobs | 20:55 |
| sarob | really need to be done by the end of september then | 20:55 |
| rev | two week!? | 20:55 |
| cmcnamara | Sean, I don't think that is realistic | 20:55 |
| sarob | me either | 20:55 |
| cmcnamara | let's focus on tracking foward movement | 20:56 |
| cmcnamara | and on keeping the burn down line sloping down | 20:56 |
| sarob | okay, lets target the end of october | 20:56 |
| rev | better | 20:56 |
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| sarob | week of debugging with austin, sf, and LA user groups | 20:57 |
| cmcnamara | note, to hit that we really need to start engaging a larger audience | 20:57 |
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| cmcnamara | sean, you do need to remember that lots of people have day jobs too | 20:57 |
| cmcnamara | for me lots of time it is nights and weekends | 20:57 |
| cmcnamara | I spent most of this weekend working on this | 20:57 |
| cmcnamara | I do need to get a couple releases out at work before Hong Kong or I'm in serious poop | 20:57 |
| sarob | understood, this is my 120% time too | 20:57 |
| cmcnamara | well, considering that this is 120% time. Let's focus on the burn down | 20:58 |
| sarob | guess you could be in a sticky situation | 20:58 |
| cmcnamara | everyone is at one point or another | 20:58 |
| rev | Hint: Training is a lot like theater. Rehearsing is key. Rehearsing can prepare you to workaround bad content. Or at least know when to tap dance., | 20:58 |
| cmcnamara | agreed | 20:58 |
| cmcnamara | that's why | 20:58 |
| cmcnamara | my suggestion is to keep a sane pace | 20:59 |
| cmcnamara | let's focus on a burn down | 20:59 |
| cmcnamara | when the alpha is ready | 20:59 |
| sarob | got it | 20:59 |
| cmcnamara | let's get the users group input | 20:59 |
| cmcnamara | and then plan the alpha | 20:59 |
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| sarob | so target end of oct for alpha release, week of debugging, review at summit | 20:59 |
| cmcnamara | we'll have better luck planning a specific release date when we are at about 20% cards left | 20:59 |
| cmcnamara | gut feel Sean, is that the dates are arbitrary right now | 21:00 |
| cmcnamara | my spidey sense is going off | 21:00 |
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| sarob | yeah, i like having something to drive to | 21:00 |
| cmcnamara | again my focus - increasing the burn down rate | 21:00 |
| cmcnamara | feel free to drive to it | 21:00 |
| sarob | got it | 21:00 |
| cmcnamara | if we focus on increasing our average burn down rate | 21:00 |
| cmcnamara | it will bring in the release date more then anything | 21:00 |
| cmcnamara | average daily burn down is 2.15 cards | 21:01 |
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| sarob | yup, ill see what i can get done this week | 21:01 |
| cmcnamara | if we double that rate, we bring in the release by a month | 21:01 |
| cmcnamara | we can do that by expanding our commiters | 21:01 |
| cmcnamara | or by making the process easier | 21:01 |
| cmcnamara | or by working harder | 21:01 |
| cmcnamara | i'm up for all 3 | 21:01 |
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| sarob | roger that, ill work on all three | 21:02 |
| sarob | review the new instructions guys, and update if needed | 21:02 |
| sarob | i have one of my many bosses bugging me, gotta go | 21:03 |
| cmcnamara | vote for adjurned | 21:03 |
| cmcnamara | adjourned that is | 21:03 |
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| cmcnamara | #end-meeting | 21:03 |
| sarob | #action no target date for alpha training-guide until closer to completion | 21:04 |
| sarob | you cant do that ;) | 21:04 |
| cmcnamara | I tried | 21:04 |
| sarob | #end-meeting | 21:04 |
| cmcnamara | apparently you can't either ;) | 21:04 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings (alternate)" | 21:04 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 16 21:04:36 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2013/training_manuals.2013-09-16-20.00.html | 21:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2013/training_manuals.2013-09-16-20.00.txt | 21:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2013/training_manuals.2013-09-16-20.00.log.html | 21:04 |
| sarob | no dash | 21:04 |
| cmcnamara | there o go | 21:04 |
| sarob | gots to go | 21:04 |
| sarob | thanks for putting in the hours over the weekend colin | 21:05 |
| sarob | ill see if i can remove 5-10 cards this week | 21:05 |
| rev | +1 | 21:05 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: you still lurking? | 21:06 |
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| cmcnamara | sarob: welcome | 21:07 |
| cmcnamara | Keith got going too | 21:07 |
| cmcnamara | which was good | 21:07 |
| sarob | its real good | 21:08 |
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| sarob | 5 solid committers is a good start | 21:08 |
| sarob | rev: are you still stuck? | 21:08 |
| sarob | i got to gooooo | 21:09 |
| cmcnamara | i'm out. later guys | 21:10 |
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