Thursday, 2013-09-12

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bswartz#startmeeting manila15:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep 12 15:01:11 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:01
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)"15:01
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'manila'15:01
vikilandhi Manila team15:01
bswartzhello everyone15:01
vbellurhello all15:01
yportnova_Hi15:01
vbelokonhi!15:01
vponomaryovhi15:01
rushiagrhi! new entry here :)15:01
xyanghi15:01
bswartzSorry I'm just coming from another meeting, and I didn't prepare an agenda15:01
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bswartzhello rushiagr!15:01
vbellurtkatarki_: hello15:02
rushiagrhi bswartz!15:02
vbellurrushiagr: hello there15:02
vbelokonbswartz: we can discuss current status, then plans and current blueprints15:02
rushiagrvbellur: o/15:02
bswartzfor those of you who don't know, rushiagr is a former netapp employee who was deeply involved with manila development when it was still being implemented as an extension to cinder15:03
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vbellurbswartz: should we discuss incubation plans or is it early?15:03
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bswartzrushiagr are you going to continue being involved with this project in your new job?15:03
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bswartzvbelekon: yes that's what I'd like to do15:04
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bswartz#topic status15:04
rushiagrbswartz: I am entering into OpenStack world.. not sure if I will dedicate most of my time to Manila, but I would like to contribute atleast a little15:04
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bswartzokay well your participation is welcome rushi15:04
rushiagrbswartz: thanks15:04
vbelokonbswartz: ok, I will make short update15:05
bswartz#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ManilaMeetings15:05
vbelokonDevStack for Manila was implemented [https://github.com/bswartz/devstack]15:06
vbelokon- Reworking of Cinder to Manila was implemented [https://github.com/bswartz/manila] "cinder-to-manila" branch15:06
vbelokon- Tempest tests is in-progress [https://github.com/bswartz/tempest/tree/manila]15:06
vbelokonCurrently Manila has following functionalities:15:06
vbelokon- Supporting of shares15:06
vbelokon- Supporting of snapshots for shares15:06
vbelokon- Quotas for users for shares15:06
vbelokon- Limits supporting (rate, absolute)15:06
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vponomaryovand access list to shares too15:07
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vbelokonSo, out plan for next week is testing and testing15:08
vbelokonPerform integration tests, bug fixing15:08
vbelokonAnalyse and enter blueprints with new features, improvements15:08
* rushiagr is happy to see many new functionalities in Manila15:08
vbelokonand then upload Manila code to StackForge15:08
bswartzvbelokon: maybe it's just github acting up, but I can't see the cinder-to-manila branch15:09
vbelokonlet me check15:10
vponomaryovhttps://github.com/bswartz/manila/tree/cinder-to-manila ?15:10
vbelokonhttps://github.com/bswartz/manila/tree/cinder-to-manila15:10
bswartzoh nevermind15:10
bswartzit was a user error15:10
vbelokonbswartz: do you have access to this link?15:10
bswartzthanks15:10
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bswartzokay15:11
bswartzvbelokon: do you have experience with creating projects in stackforge?15:11
bswartzIt's something I haven't looked into yet15:11
vbelokonbswartz: unfortunately - no15:12
bswartzthat will be a major milestone once we're integrated w/ stackforge becuse then it will be much easier for the rest of the community to contribute15:12
bswartzokay15:12
bswartz#action bswartz look into creating stackforge projects15:12
vbelokonI can investigate uploading process15:12
vbelokonif anyboyd has expirience - please share it :)15:12
bswartzesker/resker: you here?15:12
bswartzoh he's travelling, nm15:13
bswartzby Monday I'll get an answer on that15:13
davenoveck#help15:13
vbelokonbswartz: ok - good15:14
bswartzis there anything we need to discuss regarding the removal of the blocks-specific features?15:14
vbellurthis might help for adding to stackforge: http://ci.openstack.org/stackforge.html15:14
bswartzvbellur: ty15:14
vikilandno - we've removed all unnecessary functionality15:15
vbelokonvbellur: good instrucions15:15
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bswartzvikiland: were there any questionable items? any difficult judgement calls?15:15
vikilandno.15:15
bswartzvikiland: in particular I'm wondering if we might need to remove some additional small bits in the future15:15
bswartzokay that's good news15:15
vikilandwe have great experiences team ;)15:15
bswartzanything else before we move on to blueprints?15:16
bswartz#topic blueprints15:16
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yportnova_Bswartz: current unit tests coverage is 70%15:16
yportnova_Do we need to increase it?15:17
bswartzyportnova_: that sounds like an okay number to me -- but I'd like to see statistics on other openstack projects for comparison15:17
vbelluri have added a couple of basic blueprints, nothing very actionable atm.15:17
bswartz#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila15:18
bswartzvbelokon: do I need to make updates to any existing BPs?15:18
vbelokonbswartz: yes15:18
vbelokonhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/remove-blocks - good progress - needs code-review15:19
vbelokonhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/rename-cinder-to-manila - the same15:19
vbelokonand discuss the importance of all other blueprints15:20
bswartzhmm LP is claiming the work was done by me15:20
bswartzoh well if I can't fix it I guess it's not important15:20
vbelokonok15:20
vikilandhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/devstack-testing15:21
bswartzI still have some BPs to add15:21
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vikilandI've updated requirements for apt systems as well as for rpm and rpm-suse15:21
vbelokonvikiland: we need volunteer for this BP :)15:21
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vikilandduring this week we well tested our devstack on ubuntu env15:22
bswartzokay we need to add placeholder BPs for integrating out tempest and devstack code into those projects respectively15:22
bswartzand we need Icehouse-targetted BPs in those projects to do the actual integration15:22
bswartz#action bswartz create placeholder BPs for tempest/devstack upstream work15:23
vbelokonagree15:23
yportnova_Bswartz: one thing about gigabytes quota for  snapshot . We do not have size attribute of snapshots15:23
bswartzyportnova_: that's a good point15:24
bswartzyportnova_: snapshot space accounting is bad enough in cinder, it will be worse for us15:24
yportnova_So we can not implement it until size is added15:24
bswartzyportnova_: can you file a BP expaining the missing feature?15:25
yportnova_Sure15:25
bswartzyportnova_: I suspect we may need a way for the driver to support querying snapshot size15:25
bswartzthe REALLY conservative answer would be to assume that the snapshot consumes the same amount of space as the original share (for quota purposes), but that seems far too conservative15:26
bswartzif there's a driver interface to expose the real space consumption then we can get closer to the truth15:26
rushiagrbswartz: maybe thats a good approximation for the first implementation. We can optimize later.. Thoughts?15:27
bswartzthe danger here is that measuring quota space consumption start to get into issues of metering and billing, which can be sensitive15:27
yportnova_Bswartz: we can set no_gbquota in config15:28
bswartzif the backend supports space efficiency, the administrator should get some choice for how much of that efficiency he exposes to his customers and how much he hides for himself15:28
yportnova_In case snapshot size really differs from share size15:29
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bswartzI'd like to create an interface that's better than assuming the worst case, but that's easy enough that every vendor can implement it15:29
bswartzyportnova_: is the quota issue something you plan to work on in the coming week?15:30
yportnova_Bswarrz: I can work on it15:31
vbelokonactualy, we are planning to perfome testing. And this issue stay to future development15:31
bswartzMy proposal for reporting snapshot space would be to perhaps report the total size of all the data within the share snapshot, assuming no compression or dedupe, but to account for unused space (if you only use 1GB of a 10GB NFS share, for example)15:32
bswartzthat would make sense if an admin exposed that number to an end-user -- and it's also relatively easy to support in a vendor neutral way15:33
bswartzvbelokon: I'd prefer that I think15:33
bswartzlet's punt on issues and features until we're integrated into stackforge15:33
bswartzanything that's not necessary for stackforge can be pushed15:34
bswartzokay so back to the current topic of blueprints15:34
bswartzvbellur: anything you'd like to discuss right now?15:34
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vbellurbswartz: nothing much on blueprints right now15:35
bswartzokay15:35
bswartzby next week we'll review the blueprints that are posted, and possibly add some more15:36
bswartzbut the priorities are testing/stabilization and stackforge15:36
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vikilandbswartz : problem with snapshot's size  in calculation15:36
vbellurokay15:36
bswartzvikiland: ?15:37
vikilandit's hard to calculate actually used size so implementation of this feature could take more then few hours15:37
bswartzvikiland: perhaps snapshot size is something we can collect as metadata at the time the snapshot is taken15:38
bswartzvikiland: it needs to be a number that we can quickly generate, and it needs to have a defined lower-bound so that drivers are not encouraged to lie15:38
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vikilandok15:39
bswartzvikiland: the "default " implement should probably be the extreme conservative case of reporting the share size15:39
bswartzimplementation*15:39
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bswartz#topic open discussion15:40
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vbellurbswartz: any plans on an incubation proposal?15:40
bswartzvbellur: one step at a time!15:40
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bswartzwe plan do to it, but there is nothing concrete beyond what we've already done and the plan to go into stackforge15:41
bswartzbeing in LP, having these weekly meetings, going into stackforge, these are all critical steps15:41
vbellurbswartz: agree15:41
bswartzI want to be able to submit an official application before Hong Kong15:42
bswartzI believe we're on track to do that15:42
vbellurbswartz: yeah, I think so too.15:42
bswartzHong Kong is 7.5 week away for those who are keeping track15:42
hub_capwhere is the code currently?15:43
bswartzhub_cap: it's all on github under my account15:43
bswartzby next week it should be in stackorge15:43
hub_capfwiw, i went thru incubation just a few mo' ago. feel free to ask Qs15:43
hub_capgood, cuz i just got a 404 goin to stackforge ;)15:43
bswartzhub_cap: thanks for the offer!15:43
hub_capnp!15:44
bswartzokay anything else?15:44
bswartzalright thanks everyone15:45
bswartz#endmeeting15:45
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openstackMeeting ended Thu Sep 12 15:45:12 2013 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)15:45
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2013/manila.2013-09-12-15.01.html15:45
vbellurbswartz: thanks15:45
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2013/manila.2013-09-12-15.01.txt15:45
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2013/manila.2013-09-12-15.01.log.html15:45
vbellurlater everyone15:45
hub_capfwiw, the designate project got dinged for not having multi company support (when they tried to incubate)15:45
vikilandthx. great work team15:45
rushiagrthanks everyone15:45
vbelokonthanks15:45
yportnova_Thanks15:45
vbellurhub_cap: may I ask what the project is about?15:46
rushiagrhub_cap: were they having a one-company, or two-company support?15:46
rushiagrDNSaaS right?15:46
hub_capyes15:46
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hub_capi think mostly 1 company15:46
hub_capgo talk to the designate guys, i cant rmember exactly... or pour thru the TC meeting logs15:46
hub_capit was like 1+ mo ago15:46
rushiagrhub_cap: okay. I think I saw the mail chain on the ML.. will search for it again15:47
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hub_capyup might be best to actually go view what the TC said about it too15:47
rushiagrhub_cap: good suggestion15:47
hub_capon the eavesdrop site15:47
hub_capokey! yall have fun! and welcome to the ecosystem manila!15:48
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vbellurhub_cap: thanks!15:49
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SergeyLukjanovsavanna team meeting will be here in 10 minutes17:57
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SergeyLukjanovsavanna folks, are you here? :)18:02
aignatov_hi18:02
crobertsrh1:)18:02
rnirmalhey18:03
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ErikBhello18:04
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SergeyLukjanovlet's start the meeting18:04
SergeyLukjanov#startmeeting savanna18:04
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep 12 18:04:48 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:04
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:04
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'savanna'18:04
SergeyLukjanov#topic Agenda18:05
SergeyLukjanov#info News / updates18:05
SergeyLukjanov#info Roadmap cleanup / update18:05
SergeyLukjanov#info Action items from the last meeting18:05
SergeyLukjanov#info General discussion18:05
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SergeyLukjanov#topic News / updates18:05
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ErikBWe are still working on 0.2.2 release18:05
SergeyLukjanovfolks, feel free to post news18:05
ErikBWe need to put in a few more patches; hopefully today.18:05
SergeyLukjanov#info still working on 0.2.218:05
ErikBWe're wrapping up Swift integration for HDP plugin as well (for trunk/0.3)18:06
SergeyLukjanovErikB, sounds great, I hope that we'll merge them and publish the first rc for 0.2.2 till Monday18:06
aignatov_great Erik, are this final patches for 0.2.2&18:06
crobertsrhsecond batch of UI changes submitted for review.  Still need plenty of control refinement, but Nadya and a couple of others will be helping.18:06
ErikBGood news is that we are now starting larger clusters with Savanna, but in the process have found some short comings in the UI/functionality that I will write-up and send out for comment on the list18:06
ErikBWe are also doing some benchmarking on Savanna (Tera*) and will see if I can post some of our findings to the list in a week or so.18:07
aignatov_what number of nodes are you able to run?18:07
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ErikBWe've spun up 32 and 64 nodes (large 16vcpu/72GRam, 10T disk)18:08
dmitrymeand how much time did it took?18:08
ErikBlarge for us on our test systemn18:08
ErikBabout same as any cluster 15ish minutes using our vanilla image.18:08
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SergeyLukjanovNikitaKonovalov, what's about Neutron support?18:08
dmitrymeErikB: cool, great to hear that18:09
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aignatov_well enough, Erik!18:09
nadya#info Object Model was updated in EDP and successfully merged. Now we are testing Hive and do refactoring18:09
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aignatov_my news, I'm going to replace hadoop 1.1.2 to hadoop 1.2.1 in the vanilla plugin18:10
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NikitaKonovalovThe Floating Ip and Neutron support patch has been updated several times18:10
NikitaKonovalovnow it' very close to get merged18:11
ErikBMore on HDP plugin (plan), once 0.2.2 is out, we will be integrating rest of services (oozie, hive, hbase, sqoop etc.) and we will be refactoring for 2.0 support to coincide with 0.3 release18:11
jmaronHDP 2.0, that is18:11
aignatov_that's really great, Erik, lloking to forward to see the full funnctionality of HDP running with Savanna!18:12
ErikBus too!18:12
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SergeyLukjanovare there any other news/updates?18:13
SergeyLukjanovok18:14
SergeyLukjanov#topic Roadmap cleanup / update18:14
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SergeyLukjanovLooks like we need to add Heat to 1.0 version18:14
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mattf+118:14
SergeyLukjanovany objections?18:14
ruhewe have to18:14
aignatov_agree18:15
SergeyLukjanov"Heat integration"18:15
SergeyLukjanovany other thouhts?18:15
mattfthat's probably as specific as we should be for now18:15
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ErikBmattf - :-)18:16
rnirmalneed to do a write up on heat... would be nice to have it programmable than creating templates and building from that... little more investigation needed18:16
mattfit'll be nice to remove some of the cluster setup orchestration code18:17
SergeyLukjanovk18:17
jmaronheat for provisioning.  design API moving forward around pluggability of major funncitons to accommodate folks enamored with their projects….18:17
SergeyLukjanov#topic Action items from the last meeting18:18
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mattfand get some use cases on heat's radar, such as the ability to have a master*3 - worker*1000 deployment where it's ok for < 1000 workers to exist and the deployment still be considered up and running18:18
SergeyLukjanov#info ACTION: SergeyLukjanov to update roadmap: move H support to 0.3 and set 0.3 release date to Oct, 17 [DONE]18:18
SergeyLukjanov#info ACTION: tmckay to create an issue about FK @ sqlite [DONE]18:18
SergeyLukjanovtmckay, could you please write an update on the FK problem?18:19
SergeyLukjanovmattf, yep, we don't know who Heat will work with deployments...18:19
SergeyLukjanovsuch deployments*18:19
jmaronLet's make sure not to jam Heat in if it's not the right mechanism18:20
tmckay#info I discovered that Savanna is already enabling FK for sqlite, I was mistaken in my test using secondary association tables.  However, we should probably still add some tests for FKs18:20
SergeyLukjanovtmckay, ok, thank you18:21
SergeyLukjanovthere are no other action items from the last meeting18:22
SergeyLukjanov#topic General discussion18:22
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SergeyLukjanovfolks, please18:22
mattfanyone seen http://fpaste.org/39161/ before?18:22
crobertsrhYep18:22
ruhethere is a new interesting BP18:22
ruhe#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/savanna/+spec/cluster-provisioning-ha18:22
ruhei wonder if anyone related is present here?18:22
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crobertsrhmattf:  Not sure of the cause, but locally, I just comment out the validation.18:23
crobertsrhI never had it until I updated my devstack.18:23
mattfcrobertsrh, what do i edit?18:24
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mattfSergeyLukjanov, seems like a short meeting. thanks for all your hard work w/ the incubation request to date.18:25
aignatov_regarding my single news about replacement of vanilla hadoop from 1.1.2 to 1.2.1, guys do you have any objections?18:25
mattfaignatov_, what's that?18:25
crobertsrhmattf:  service/base.py....check_keypair_exists18:25
aignatov_link to th enew blueprint18:26
crobertsrhsorry...service/validations/base.py18:26
aignatov_#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/savanna/+spec/vanilla-plugin-hadoop-1-2-118:26
SergeyLukjanovmattf, am I right that we need https://review.openstack.org/#/c/44123/ for Fedora packages?18:27
mattfaignatov_, no objection here. i spoke with stevel and it looks like he'll port the swift patch to hadoop 1.x -> we won't have to maintain our own out-of-tree copy18:27
mattfSergeyLukjanov, that is needed for RDO packages, which is actually what i'm working on as we type. that patch is not needed for Fedora packages.18:28
ruhemattf, that's great. any info about planned date of Hadoop release with this patch included?18:28
rnirmalI think there was a 1.x patch from earlier as well18:28
aignatov_it's needed because of new functionality in 1.2.1 release whih supports 4-level toppology and hadoop in that version knows how to replicate blocks acrooss physical machines in virtual environment18:28
mattfruhe, i didn't press stevel that hard, looks like the last review of the patch took into account that it'll go into 1.x though.18:28
SergeyLukjanovmattf, ok, so, we still need it for 0.2.2 release18:29
mattfhmmm18:29
mattfi'm actually building from master right now for RDO - hitting http://fpaste.org/39161/18:29
mattfi'd say don't block 0.2.2 on that patch18:30
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SergeyLukjanovok, it's already merged in master and I'll abandon this patch in stable/0.2.218:30
mattfSergeyLukjanov, it require backporting for 0.2.2?18:30
SergeyLukjanovmattf, looks like that it's not important patch, so, we can skip it for 0.218:31
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mattfsure18:32
SergeyLukjanovany other topics to discuss?18:32
SergeyLukjanovok, let's end the meeting18:33
SergeyLukjanovthank you all!18:33
SergeyLukjanov#info JFYI you can always use openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org mailing lists and #savanna irc channel to find us and ask your questions18:33
SergeyLukjanov#endmeeting18:34
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