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| kiall | #startmeeting designate | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 11 17:00:38 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kiall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: designate)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:00 |
| kiall | Heya | 17:00 |
| simonmcc | yo | 17:00 |
| kiall | Who's about? | 17:00 |
| msisk | Howdy! | 17:01 |
| eankutse | eankutse here | 17:01 |
| betsy | here | 17:01 |
| kiall | mugise is AFK today, he had another commitment this evening | 17:01 |
| eankutse | k | 17:01 |
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| kiall | So - There's no written agenda for today, as until today there was very little to discuss | 17:02 |
| jmcbride | reporting for duty! | 17:02 |
| kiall | But - I've just pushed up the first part of the V2 API RecordSet support. | 17:02 |
| kiall | So - Progress :D | 17:02 |
| eankutse | saw that. | 17:03 |
| eankutse | planing to review | 17:03 |
| eankutse | Learn | 17:03 |
| jmcbride | also, I noticed the "Future meeting" section on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DNSaaS#DNSaaS_Meetings has 2 items | 17:03 |
| kiall | I've, so far, just managed to get the storage layer updated to manage RecordSets - I'll likely have the bones of the V2 RecordSets API in there by this time tomorrow, and adapting the V1 API to work again after that.. | 17:04 |
| kiall | jmcbride: ah - I missed those | 17:04 |
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| kiall | So - Anyway, I just wanted to get that out there.. | 17:04 |
| tsimmons | That | 17:04 |
| tsimmons | 's great it'll be good to play with V2 :) | 17:05 |
| kiall | Soon :) | 17:05 |
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| kiall | Before we move to the other two items, I've see two draft reviews from the RAX. Both are looking good :) | 17:05 |
| kiall | Looking forward to the final reviews : | 17:05 |
| kiall | :D* | 17:05 |
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| kiall | #topic Incubation Vote - When we do go for it? | 17:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Incubation Vote - When we do go for it? (Meeting topic: designate)" | 17:06 | |
| kiall | I'm not sure who added this one, are they about? | 17:06 |
| kiall | Guess not :) | 17:07 |
| jmcbride | I don't know, but I have some thoughts to discuss | 17:07 |
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| kiall | So - I think the best time is during the switchover between two dev cycles, i.e as Icehouse starts, or "J" starts | 17:08 |
| jmcbride | Some time ago I had a chance to review the notes from the actual meeting, seems like the biggest item was the need for more contributors, amirite? | 17:08 |
| kiall | jmcbride: absolutly | 17:08 |
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| jmcbride | I know RAX has had some recent contributions — but I'm not convinced it is sufficient, but I don't know what is the magic number. | 17:09 |
| kiall | jmcbride: right, I don't think there is a magic number. | 17:09 |
| kiall | https://github.com/stackforge/designate/graphs/contributors <-- I think this is what they used for the #'s | 17:10 |
| jmcbride | kiall: You are a pretty busy fellow ;) | 17:10 |
| kiall | So - Havana ends/Icehouse starts in about a Month (17th Oct or so) | 17:10 |
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| kiall | I reckon we take another look at Incubation just after the Design Summit | 17:11 |
| tsimmons | That seems reasonable. | 17:11 |
| jmcbride | What will be different at that time? | 17:11 |
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| kiall | jmcbride: we'll, you RAX guys have commits in, more in the pipeline, Graham is now familar enough with Designate to actually start writing code etc .. So Given ~2 months from now, hopefully the numbers will be "enough different" | 17:12 |
| kiall | And - I'm saying we revisit the issue and decide on a yay or nay for applying... | 17:13 |
| jmcbride | Makes sense. Do they ever look at the number of project committers/reviewers? | 17:13 |
| jmcbride | (I mean *official project committers/reviewers) | 17:14 |
| kiall | as in, checking up on the #'s every so often? I'm not sure | 17:14 |
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| kiall | Ah. | 17:14 |
| kiall | So - No, they, to my understanding don't care so much about who's core, just who's knowledgeable enough to take over should a bus hit the core team ;) | 17:15 |
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| jmcbride | that would have to be one helluva bus (would need to fly/float!) | 17:16 |
| * CaptTofu is here (late) | 17:16 | |
| jmcbride | I like the idea of waiting 2 months. | 17:16 |
| kiall | Anyway - I reckon the #'s will have changed enough by then, that at the very least it will be worth considering.. and chatting with the PPB about there thoughts.. | 17:17 |
| kiall | (or whatever they call themselves now.. I think the "PPB" name is out ;)) | 17:17 |
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| kiall | #action kiall to add an future agenda item for post-summit to review incubation | 17:18 |
| kiall | Shall we move on? :) | 17:18 |
| tsimmons | Sure. | 17:19 |
| eankutse1 | yes | 17:19 |
| kiall | It's a pity mugsie is AFK, as this next one has ended up tied into the async work he's doing. I'll do my best to explain :) | 17:19 |
| kiall | #topic New Agent Architecture | 17:19 |
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| kiall | So, Last week we discussed the async architecture.. After that chat, Graham found a bunch of holes in the plan | 17:20 |
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| kiall | Specifically around the handling of multiple contradictory async requests at the same time.. | 17:20 |
| kiall | i.e. create zone, followed immediately by delete zone.. If the ordering ending up incorrect, things are left inconsistent. | 17:21 |
| eankutse1 | This also involves the ticket idea right? | 17:21 |
| kiall | Yea | 17:21 |
| kiall | So, the current plan (forgive me for being brief .. Graham knows all the details on this) goes something like this: | 17:22 |
| kiall | 1) We need a single service instance responsible for a given zone, otherwise we simply can't guarantee FIFO. | 17:22 |
| eankutse1 | k. So Graham is still planning to document the architecture right? | 17:23 |
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| kiall | Yea - Just it had to be re-written totally | 17:23 |
| kiall | So, "agent" will be renamed to a "pool manager" - it's responsible for handling backend changes for all the zones in a given pool, with Active/Standy for HA | 17:24 |
| eankutse1 | That would help us understand and provide input | 17:24 |
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| kiall | The pool manager will be the "thing" that interacts with the backend classes, and hence will give a single place to control the zone changes | 17:25 |
| kiall | This solves all sorts of issues, and add's a feature we've been taking about since before the project was open source ;) | 17:25 |
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| tsimmons | So central would send messages about what it would like to do to the pool manager, who would actually perform those changes to the various backends? | 17:25 |
| kiall | 2) Interactions between central and pool manager are entirely async, and it's the pool managers responsibility to tell central "this change is complete, and live.." which triggers the PENDING->ACTIVE switch | 17:26 |
| kiall | tsimmons: yes | 17:26 |
| kiall | The backend would be free to choose "how" to distribute the changes to all the DNS servers.. | 17:27 |
| tsimmons | That makes a lot of sense. | 17:27 |
| kiall | It could be a simple DB insert like PowerDNS, NFS for Bind9 zones, remote rndc for Bind9 etc | 17:27 |
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| kiall | That leaves us with only 1 instance of the pool manager responsible for a single domain, using a simple lock, we can (mostly) guarantee FIFO | 17:29 |
| kiall | Should we end up with out of order requests, as determined by the zone serial number passed to the pool manager, we can trigger a resync zone.. Graham was doing some testing today to see how often this is likely to happen in the "real world" | 17:30 |
| kiall | 3) For small installs, or simple dev installs, we'll follow what nova-conductor did.. | 17:31 |
| kiall | The poolmanager will be either standalone as a full service, or "embedded" into central. | 17:31 |
| kiall | (We already essentually do this will all our services during the tests) | 17:31 |
| kiall | And - Other than the flow diagrams etc Graham's shown me, That's about all I can probably explain in IRC :) | 17:32 |
| jmcbride | Thanks for the summary. It will help to see the document/diagrams to complete the full picture | 17:33 |
| eankutse1 | Kiall: thx for updates | 17:34 |
| kiall | A few months back, RAX and HP had a intro call.. One of the big issues I mentioned back there was the correct handling of contradictory changes coming in at the same time, along with the inability to have a salable way to emit "exits" events for metering and billing/ceilometer .. Graham's plan solves both of these, while putting us on the path to supporting multiple pools at the same time :) | 17:34 |
| kiall | The plan is the start with a feature incomplete version of pools, i.e. max 1 pool, similar to today.. Later, that will extend to schedule zones over a group of pools. | 17:35 |
| kiall | So - That ends the agenda items... | 17:36 |
| kiall | #topic Open discussion | 17:36 |
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| kiall | Anything else from anyone else? :) | 17:37 |
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| tsimmons | Kiall: I'd like to have some time to talk to you a little more about my draft, probably offline. | 17:38 |
| kiall | tsimmons: sure, anytime | 17:38 |
| simonmcc | nothing from me | 17:38 |
| kiall | I'll likely be around late tonight, as I'm wanting to get another chunk of the V2 API RecordSet change in | 17:38 |
| tsimmons | Cool, I'll be in the IRC the rest of the day. | 17:39 |
| kiall | Cool - I'll ping you once I've made it home and had some dinner :) | 17:39 |
| tsimmons | Great :) | 17:39 |
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| kiall_ | Got disconnected there. | 17:40 |
| eankutse1 | nothing else from me | 17:40 |
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| betsy | me either | 17:40 |
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| tsimmons | We could follow up on some of the action items from a couple of meetings ago quickly. | 17:41 |
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| kiall | tsimmons: sire | 17:41 |
| kiall | sure* | 17:41 |
| tsimmons | I'll just paste them in. Some aren't as relevant now as they were then. | 17:41 |
| tsimmons | * ACTION: New doc section to be added for backend specific, starting | 17:41 |
| tsimmons | with CaptTofu's mysqlbind docs.. (kiall, 17:27:48) | 17:41 |
| tsimmons | * ACTION: Add doc section on plain bind9 backend, including agent | 17:41 |
| tsimmons | limitations.. (kiall, 17:30:34) | 17:41 |
| tsimmons | * ACTION: Get a blueprint together discussing the future of the agent, | 17:41 |
| tsimmons | and how it will interact with API v2's "server pools" (kiall, | 17:41 |
| tsimmons | 17:31:03) | 17:41 |
| tsimmons | * ACTION: add usage example for python-designate cli (simonmcc, | 17:41 |
| tsimmons | 17:36:45) | 17:41 |
| tsimmons | * ACTION: Document designateclient python bindings.. (kiall, | 17:41 |
| tsimmons | 17:39:57) | 17:41 |
| simonmcc | Thanks tsimmons I had forgotten about that, I was working on the designate cli today, let me put that back on the todo list | 17:42 |
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| kiall | Okay - the agent limitations part of #2 is now defunct by Graham's new plan, and as with simonmcc, totally forgot about the other parts! Apologies. I'll get the bind9 docs in order, tomorrow AM, and we can update them when the latest bind9 review goes in. | 17:43 |
| CaptTofu | gah, reminder I need to do docs | 17:43 |
| kiall | Hah - As you can tell, busy isn't word for life at HP! :) | 17:44 |
| CaptTofu | there is no english word for it. | 17:44 |
| kiall | re the client, I'll get the usage docs copied from our wiki tonight, and and bindings.. sometime this week. | 17:44 |
| kiall | #action kiall - Add new static agenda topic: "Review last weeks action items" | 17:45 |
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| kiall | Hopefully ^ will prevent future forgetfulness :) | 17:45 |
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| tsimmons | Yeah, we know some of this stuff isn't of max importance for you guys, but we really appreciate all of it :) | 17:46 |
| betsy | :) | 17:46 |
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| kiall | tsimmons: absolutely - time is the only thing we can't make more of (yet ;)) | 17:46 |
| kiall | #action kiall review all previous action items, include anything incomplete on the next agenda | 17:47 |
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| kiall | Okay - So, we'll get ^ covered off.. and make sure we review the items each week. | 17:48 |
| kiall | Have we got anything else before we close out? :) | 17:48 |
| tsimmons | Not me. | 17:49 |
| kiall | tsimmons: also, i'm not sure if this sent earlier.. But I'll ping you once I'm home, fed and back online in a few hours re your draft... | 17:49 |
| kiall | (sent it right as I disconnected) | 17:49 |
| tsimmons | kiall: yep, got it. | 17:49 |
| kiall | Okay .. Thanks all :) Let's call it a day, a whole 10 minutes early ;) | 17:50 |
| eankutse1 | :-) | 17:50 |
| tsimmons | Alright, thanks guys! | 17:50 |
| kiall | #endmeeting | 17:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 11 17:50:37 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2013/designate.2013-09-11-17.00.html | 17:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2013/designate.2013-09-11-17.00.txt | 17:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2013/designate.2013-09-11-17.00.log.html | 17:50 |
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| hub_cap | #startmeeting trove | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 11 20:00:28 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hub_cap. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: trove)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 20:00 |
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| SlickNik | here | 20:00 |
| dmakogon_ | o/ | 20:00 |
| imsplitbit | o/ | 20:00 |
| robertmyers | o/ | 20:00 |
| juice | o/ | 20:00 |
| cp16net | o^/ | 20:00 |
| vipul | \o | 20:01 |
| kevinconway | 7o7 | 20:01 |
| isviridov_ | o/ | 20:01 |
| hub_cap | can someone ask grapex to join? ;) | 20:01 |
| pdmars | o/ | 20:01 |
| hub_cap | kevinconway: are you walking like an egyptian? | 20:01 |
| hub_cap | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 20:01 |
| dmakogon_ | lol | 20:01 |
| hub_cap | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2013/trove.2013-09-04-20.02.html | 20:01 |
| imsplitbit | I don't thinnk I can get my arms to make that shape | 20:01 |
| hub_cap | im thinking thats his hands | 20:01 |
| hub_cap | anyhooooooo | 20:01 |
| hub_cap | #topic action items | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "action items (Meeting topic: trove)" | 20:02 | |
| imsplitbit | lets go | 20:02 |
| hub_cap | cp16net: did you add the db model to schedule_task? | 20:02 |
| cp16net | sorry i've dropped the ball and i am picking up the pieces now | 20:02 |
| hub_cap | smh | 20:02 |
| amytron | grapex is coming back. sorry - i distracted him with something else | 20:02 |
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| hub_cap | oh amytron! | 20:03 |
| cp16net | i plan to update that by the end of the week. | 20:03 |
| cp16net | for real this time. | 20:03 |
| amytron | my bad hub_cap | 20:03 |
| hub_cap | ok re-add plz cp16net | 20:03 |
| cp16net | its on record. | 20:03 |
| hub_cap | cp16net: it was on record last wk!!!! ;) | 20:03 |
| cp16net | #action cp16net add the db model to schedule_task | 20:03 |
| cp16net | shhhhhh | 20:03 |
| cp16net | :-P | 20:03 |
| SlickNik | cp16net: ping in #openstack-trove when you add it. | 20:03 |
| cp16net | word | 20:03 |
| SlickNik | sweet | 20:03 |
| hub_cap | so, consistent JSON notation across API? | 20:03 |
| hub_cap | im on that, and i assume it has not happened? | 20:03 |
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| grapex | o/ | 20:04 |
| SlickNik | hub_cap: we talked about it. | 20:04 |
| vipul | it's a touchy subject | 20:04 |
| juice | underscores underscores underscores | 20:04 |
| kevinconway | we decided hungarian notation is best | 20:04 |
| hub_cap | ok cool. i know there was some talk of it | 20:04 |
| imsplitbit | I *think* we said underscores not camel case | 20:04 |
| juice | in by best balmer impersonation | 20:04 |
| juice | which isn't that good | 20:04 |
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| juice | kevinconway: nice | 20:04 |
| vipul | motion to agree on underscores? | 20:04 |
| SlickNik | basically majority were of the opinion that we should stick with underscores. | 20:04 |
| hub_cap | sSize kevinconway? | 20:04 |
| hub_cap | err | 20:05 |
| hub_cap | iSize | 20:05 |
| isviridov_ | undescores | 20:05 |
| imsplitbit | underscores | 20:05 |
| robertmyers | underscores | 20:05 |
| SlickNik | Since that was what the python guidelines suggest and what we've been mostly using anyway (least deviation from current API) | 20:05 |
| dmakogon_ | +1 to underscore | 20:05 |
| kevinconway | are the underscores for json only or are we reforming xml to match? | 20:05 |
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| vipul | you know this meetbot does voting well :) | 20:05 |
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| imsplitbit | I think we said new stuff would use underscores | 20:06 |
| hub_cap | kevinconway: id think it would be best ot use _ for both | 20:06 |
| SlickNik | yah this is for new API. | 20:06 |
| imsplitbit | then v2 would be full refactor yes? | 20:06 |
| hub_cap | for sure | 20:06 |
| imsplitbit | good deal | 20:06 |
| hub_cap | ok so moving on? | 20:06 |
| dmakogon_ | yes | 20:07 |
| SlickNik | yeah, it's looking like underscores to me. Move on. | 20:07 |
| hub_cap | #topic reducing pep8 ignores | 20:07 |
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| vipul | i'll update the api next wiki | 20:07 |
| hub_cap | dmakogon_: thats u eh? | 20:07 |
| dmakogon_ | mine | 20:07 |
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| kevinconway | +1 | 20:07 |
| dmakogon_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46063/ | 20:07 |
| dmakogon_ | i' started to do that | 20:07 |
| hub_cap | so off the bat | 20:07 |
| hub_cap | are there any rules we _want_ to ignore? | 20:07 |
| dmakogon_ | so now trove has meaningless ignored rules | 20:07 |
| hub_cap | as in, we have consensus that XXXX is stupid and we will continue to ignore | 20:08 |
| dmakogon_ | my idea to reduce most of them | 20:08 |
| SlickNik | not any that I'm aware of. | 20:08 |
| cp16net | i dont know what all those numbers mean by heart so i cant say | 20:08 |
| dmakogon_ | no, we need to reduce amount of igrored rules | 20:08 |
| kevinconway | i have a gist somewhere of all the codes we ignore and what they mean | 20:08 |
| kevinconway | but i lost it | 20:08 |
| hub_cap | kevinconway: whats your github username? | 20:08 |
| hub_cap | u can just keep pouring thru your old gists | 20:09 |
| dmakogon_ | http://pep8.readthedocs.org/en/latest/intro.html#error-codes | 20:09 |
| hub_cap | itd be nice to have | 20:09 |
| kevinconway | it was an openstack gist | 20:09 |
| SlickNik | Most of the ignored rules are in place cause we have code that would break the tests if they weren't. (And we wanted to gate on the tests) | 20:09 |
| hub_cap | LOL kevinconway ya u have like 3 gists | 20:09 |
| SlickNik | kevinconway: That gist'd be golden if you can find it. | 20:09 |
| dmakogon_ | SlickNik: ok | 20:09 |
| hub_cap | ok so then assuming we dont have any that are just stupid | 20:09 |
| hub_cap | im all for dmakogon_ tackling these | 20:09 |
| hub_cap | plz look @ his review | 20:10 |
| hub_cap | great work dmakogon_ | 20:10 |
| dmakogon_ | thanks) | 20:10 |
| hub_cap | and NO MERGES till tomorrow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 20:10 |
| cp16net | yeah lookin good | 20:10 |
| SlickNik | Go for it dmakogon_ | 20:10 |
| dmakogon_ | SlickNik: thanks | 20:10 |
| hub_cap | SlickNik: vipul grapex NO MERGES!!!! tomorrow rc1 is cut | 20:10 |
| vipul | fine :P | 20:10 |
| hub_cap | just gonna randomly say that all day today | 20:10 |
| dmakogon_ | lol, mad hub_cap))) | 20:10 |
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| hub_cap | ANGRY HUBCAP | 20:10 |
| SlickNik | heh | 20:10 |
| isviridov_ | will it be separate branch? | 20:10 |
| grapex | hub_cap: So, we still just look at stuff and +2 it right? Because there's a ton of pull requests | 20:10 |
| hub_cap | #topic project/branch status | 20:11 |
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| hub_cap | so isviridov_ (and all) | 20:11 |
| hub_cap | when RC1 is cut, icehouse will be "open for development" | 20:11 |
| hub_cap | which means RC1 will be cut to a branch | 20:11 |
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| hub_cap | and trunk will be open for merging icehouse stuff | 20:11 |
| dmakogon_ | so, for now HavanaRC is closed | 20:11 |
| juice | this is new | 20:11 |
| hub_cap | if we find critical havana bugs, ill have to manually backport them to RC1 | 20:11 |
| vipul | so if thre is a critical issue in RC1, does gerit support pushing to that branch? | 20:11 |
| hub_cap | vipul: yes and no | 20:12 |
| hub_cap | ill have to do manual work but it goes thru gerrit yes | 20:12 |
| vipul | so checkout rc1 branch, push to gerrit.. and that's it? | 20:12 |
| hub_cap | its outlined somewhere | 20:12 |
| hub_cap | its not a ton of work | 20:13 |
| dmakogon_ | vipul: in common - yes | 20:13 |
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| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StableBranch | 20:13 |
| hub_cap | but if we have 50 bugs, then its a lot of work lol | 20:13 |
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| hub_cap | thats why they request the stable projects take ~1 wk to do RC1 | 20:13 |
| vipul | kk | 20:13 |
| juice | thanks SlickNik | 20:13 |
| hub_cap | if you look @ other RC1's there are like 50+ bugs on them | 20:13 |
| dmakogon_ | hub_cap: vipul: SlickNik: we should re-target all BPs and Bugs | 20:13 |
| hub_cap | we should retarget realistically | 20:14 |
| vipul | Yea I don't thikn we have an icehouse target | 20:14 |
| hub_cap | if we think itll make i1 then yes | 20:14 |
| hub_cap | we do vipul | 20:14 |
| vipul | so those should be created first | 20:14 |
| hub_cap | icehouse-1 is out | 20:14 |
| vipul | nvm then | 20:14 |
| dmakogon_ | hub_cap: vipul: SlickNik:yes, that is why we have 'future' target | 20:14 |
| hub_cap | https://launchpad.net/trove/+milestone/icehouse-1 | 20:14 |
| dmakogon_ | hub_cap: vipul: SlickNik:not even ice house | 20:14 |
| vipul | thanks hub_cap | 20:14 |
| hub_cap | looks like our friends @ mirantis are being awesome | 20:14 |
| hub_cap | and have already retargetted their bps | 20:14 |
| hub_cap | so if we think its going to be ok for i1, bring it up and we can retarget | 20:15 |
| dmakogon_ | hub_cap: you are welcome) | 20:15 |
| hub_cap | thx dmakogon_! | 20:15 |
| hub_cap | so tomorrow we will be in merge/rebase/hell | 20:15 |
| dmakogon_ | i think we could retarget out stuff manualy | 20:15 |
| hub_cap | the one with the highest bribe will get merged first | 20:15 |
| dmakogon_ | by ourselvs | 20:15 |
| hub_cap | dmakogon_: i think so if you own it | 20:16 |
| hub_cap | but only retarget if its realistic | 20:16 |
| hub_cap | i dont want to have to keep moving stuff out. id rather move more stuff in | 20:16 |
| dmakogon_ | hub_cap: vipul: SlickNik: for the next meeting we could collect a pack of BPs and bugs for retargeting | 20:16 |
| SlickNik | agreed hub_cap | 20:16 |
| hub_cap | ya we should take a pass dmakogon_, and talk to the people they are assigned to, if any | 20:17 |
| hub_cap | and try to move realistic items into i1 | 20:17 |
| hub_cap | i had to do a lot of "move this to h2, move this to h3" this time around :) | 20:17 |
| vipul | Sure, i'll try to look at them between now an then | 20:17 |
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| SlickNik | dmakogon_: We can talk about candidates, but ultimately it's up to the people doing them to target them to the correct milestone... | 20:17 |
| hub_cap | yes | 20:18 |
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| hub_cap | the project is dependent on people getting paid by companies to do the work :) | 20:18 |
| dmakogon_ | hub_cap: vipul: SlickNik: i think we should organise our future job in next way - be already up-to-date with new BPs and Bugs | 20:18 |
| hub_cap | yup | 20:18 |
| vipul | unless you are an independent like me | 20:18 |
| hub_cap | vipul: :) | 20:18 |
| cp16net | and me | 20:18 |
| cp16net | heh | 20:18 |
| hub_cap | put the "nice ot haves" in "trove next", and the "waaaaay future" in "trove future" | 20:19 |
| hub_cap | ok good to move on? | 20:19 |
| dmakogon_ | that will lead us to focused development and planning | 20:19 |
| hub_cap | weve got a packed meeting | 20:19 |
| hub_cap | yes agreed dmakogon_ | 20:19 |
| SlickNik | yup, agreed | 20:19 |
| SlickNik | good to move on | 20:19 |
| hub_cap | #topic secgroup perms/ownership | 20:19 |
| dmakogon_ | yes | 20:19 |
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| hub_cap | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/44380/ | 20:19 |
| dmakogon_ | which one ? | 20:19 |
| hub_cap | amcrn around? | 20:19 |
| amcrn | yes | 20:19 |
| hub_cap | gogogo | 20:19 |
| amcrn | just would like folks to read the review above, review the gist, and get a consensus | 20:20 |
| amcrn | done :) | 20:20 |
| hub_cap | hah | 20:20 |
| hub_cap | not off the hook that easy | 20:20 |
| hub_cap | anything in particular you'd like to bring up | 20:20 |
| hub_cap | that may cause wrenches to be thrown | 20:20 |
| SlickNik | amcrn I'm all for this. But I had a question. | 20:20 |
| vipul | kinda agree with the comment there. the only port that should be available to open is the port the instance is listening on | 20:20 |
| amcrn | SlickNik: sure, what's up? | 20:20 |
| SlickNik | Same as vipuls | 20:20 |
| SlickNik | now that he's mentioned it. | 20:21 |
| dmakogon_ | about review - looks good | 20:21 |
| SlickNik | (beat me to it) | 20:21 |
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| amcrn | There's a lot more involved than just the port, please review the gist. | 20:21 |
| hub_cap | well wait | 20:21 |
| hub_cap | imsplitbit: can tell u that MANY companies have compliance issues | 20:21 |
| hub_cap | and will NOT run mysql on 3306 | 20:21 |
| hub_cap | period | 20:21 |
| hub_cap | PERIOD | 20:21 |
| amcrn | exactly, hence the point in my gist :) | 20:21 |
| imsplitbit | correct | 20:21 |
| SlickNik | Should we allow them to open up ports that the service of service_type is clearly not running on? | 20:21 |
| amcrn | https://gist.github.com/amcrn/14501657c5a5e9ee78dd | 20:21 |
| hub_cap | amcrn: :P | 20:22 |
| amcrn | SlickNik: Make that configurable, see ^^ | 20:22 |
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| dmakogon_ | hub_cap: vipul: SlickNik: before trove will have parameter groups, we should leave this question as it is | 20:22 |
| SlickNik | Well, the guest agent doesn't support running it on a diff port. | 20:22 |
| hub_cap | can u explain dmakogon_ | 20:22 |
| hub_cap | SlickNik: yet | 20:22 |
| dmakogon_ | hub_cap: vipul: SlickNik: we still use default ports for services | 20:23 |
| hub_cap | sure but when configuration edits drops | 20:23 |
| amcrn | with parameter groups you could pass a different port, etc. | 20:23 |
| amcrn | agreed | 20:23 |
| SlickNik | And even if it did, you could update the port in the config to the port it was using. | 20:23 |
| hub_cap | all bets could be off | 20:23 |
| amcrn | the suggestion in the gist will accomodate future changes like that | 20:23 |
| vipul | But the port info would still be tied to that instance | 20:23 |
| dmakogon_ | hub_cap: vipul: SlickNik: when (Amazon) paraters group implementation will be done, user could specify optional ports to be opened | 20:23 |
| hub_cap | so maybe we do this | 20:24 |
| vipul | instead of allowing the user to specify the port in the API, we should figure out a way to pick it from the instance | 20:24 |
| hub_cap | the api says "open the port the guest is listening on" | 20:24 |
| vipul | regardless of what port it is | 20:24 |
| hub_cap | and the guest syas "what port am i on", ok, "open it" | 20:24 |
| SlickNik | hub_cap / vipul ++ | 20:24 |
| dmakogon_ | vipul: but ports are specified by configs | 20:24 |
| hub_cap | sure dmakogon_ and the guest will know that | 20:24 |
| vipul | ask the guest.. or push that info to the guest if need be | 20:25 |
| vipul | (on provision) | 20:25 |
| SlickNik | dmakogon_: it could be different for different service types. | 20:25 |
| dmakogon_ | vipul: configs of each service, and parameters groups allows user to configurate service as they want it | 20:25 |
| SlickNik | So only good way to do that is to check with the guest which will know its service type and have that info | 20:25 |
| vipul | Sure, but I think what we are saying is the Guest knows what that config is | 20:25 |
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| dmakogon_ | vipul: +1 for pushing specific data to GA | 20:26 |
| SlickNik | well not _only_ good way, but _a_ good way. | 20:26 |
| hub_cap | amcrn: does that meet your needs? | 20:26 |
| hub_cap | just have a "open mah port" | 20:26 |
| SlickNik | Suggestion | 20:26 |
| dmakogon_ | SlickNik: you mean to store networking confs of each service type ? | 20:26 |
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| SlickNik | dmakogon_: not networking confs, but probably ports that the service communicates on. | 20:27 |
| SlickNik | It's possible that it could be multiple ports. | 20:27 |
| SlickNik | depending on service type. | 20:27 |
| amcrn | i fail to see how the suggestion doesn't fit the model I described | 20:27 |
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| dmakogon_ | hub_cap: vipul: SlickNik: amcrn: my idea to (for now) keep it as it is, then, when params. group will come, specify ports in it | 20:28 |
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| amcrn | again, dkamogon, your suggestion doesn't preclude what I've described in the gist | 20:28 |
| amcrn | you still need a way of specifying what ports are eligible | 20:29 |
| amcrn | for which service_type | 20:29 |
| dmakogon_ | hub_cap: vipul: SlickNik: and trove should create sec. rules for default port(as SlickNik sad) and custom spicified by user | 20:29 |
| vipul | amcrn: I think the one contention is the user is still the one specifying hte ports | 20:29 |
| dmakogon_ | amcrn: we need mechanism to register services | 20:29 |
| hub_cap | id really prefer to make this easier for the user by having a "create security group" | 20:29 |
| amcrn | vipul: not true, the gist explains how that can be turned off | 20:30 |
| dmakogon_ | in it will be defined default port | 20:30 |
| dmakogon_ | for each service | 20:30 |
| hub_cap | and then letting the app figure out what ports are open | 20:30 |
| hub_cap | the guest knows | 20:30 |
| hub_cap | the guest owns the service | 20:30 |
| hub_cap | and the logic to find out what port its on | 20:30 |
| vipul | amcrn: apologize if it's already in there.. first time lookign at it | 20:30 |
| hub_cap | amcrn: lol do u expect us to do our homework?!?!?!!?!?! | 20:30 |
| hub_cap | ;) | 20:30 |
| amcrn | :| | 20:30 |
| dmakogon_ | hub_cap: vipul: SlickNik: amcrn: GA could store ports as meta-data on instance | 20:31 |
| SlickNik | amcrn: reading the gist, I think the idea is exactly the same | 20:31 |
| hub_cap | ok lets do this | 20:31 |
| hub_cap | table this discussion | 20:31 |
| amcrn | I think we're all in consensus, we just don't know it yet ;) | 20:31 |
| hub_cap | and read the gist | 20:31 |
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| hub_cap | and talk about it tomorrow | 20:31 |
| SlickNik | except that the onus is on the guest to do the port config vs the api / taskmgr (the way it is today) | 20:31 |
| hub_cap | since amcrn knwos this stuff | 20:31 |
| SlickNik | amcrn: I suspect you are correct :) | 20:31 |
| hub_cap | i believe him | 20:31 |
| hub_cap | he says we are in consensus | 20:32 |
| vipul | the main thing is we should keep this a managed service | 20:32 |
| hub_cap | still, table it | 20:32 |
| vipul | and not have to let the user figure all this out | 20:32 |
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| hub_cap | we have too much on agenda | 20:32 |
| vipul | next.. | 20:32 |
| hub_cap | #topic MongoDB support | 20:32 |
| dmakogon_ | moving on | 20:32 |
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| dmakogon_ | i thinks we | 20:32 |
| SlickNik | aha | 20:32 |
| SlickNik | so this came up last week | 20:33 |
| dmakogon_ | i think we're done with it | 20:33 |
| hub_cap | i like it! lets do mongo | 20:33 |
| hub_cap | good | 20:33 |
| hub_cap | moving on | 20:33 |
| amcrn | lol | 20:33 |
| isviridov_ | ) | 20:33 |
| dmakogon_ | main goal for Ice House - global refactoring | 20:33 |
| dmakogon_ | for pluggability | 20:33 |
| hub_cap | refactoring everything into globals? | 20:33 |
| SlickNik | lol | 20:33 |
| hub_cap | hehehe i kid i kid!!!! | 20:33 |
| kevinconway | +1 hub_cap | 20:33 |
| robertmyers | haha | 20:33 |
| dmakogon_ | lol | 20:33 |
| pdmars | yes | 20:33 |
| hub_cap | period | 20:33 |
| hub_cap | but yes i agree we need refactoring first | 20:34 |
| hub_cap | PERIOD | 20:34 |
| isviridov_ | global HEATing | 20:34 |
| hub_cap | lol nice | 20:34 |
| hub_cap | #topic virgo | 20:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "virgo (Meeting topic: trove)" | 20:34 | |
| hub_cap | so who came up w/ this doozie? | 20:34 |
| hub_cap | and dont say me | 20:34 |
| hub_cap | cuz i didnt | 20:34 |
| imsplitbit | you did | 20:34 |
| hub_cap | i mightve tried to plant seeds | 20:34 |
| dmakogon_ | so many IRONY(c) | 20:34 |
| cp16net | hub_cap | 20:34 |
| cp16net | :-P | 20:34 |
| SlickNik | isviridov: wanted some clarification | 20:34 |
| hub_cap | but i didnt water them and they died | 20:34 |
| SlickNik | again from last week. | 20:34 |
| hub_cap | ok whats up | 20:34 |
| isviridov_ | hup_cap, came from trove channel, seems from you. Please comment if it is on roadmap or something& | 20:35 |
| dmakogon_ | anything new to discuss ? | 20:35 |
| hub_cap | fwiw, i think we need to fundamentally rule out a python guest beffore we move to virgo | 20:35 |
| hub_cap | isviridov_ shhhhhhhhh | 20:35 |
| SlickNik | lol | 20:35 |
| isviridov_ | hub_cap, i'm all silence | 20:35 |
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| hub_cap | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/53 | 20:35 |
| cp16net | or any other lang | 20:35 |
| kevinconway | do we only need to rule out the standard python imll? | 20:35 |
| kevinconway | or can jython be suggested? | 20:36 |
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| grapex | kevinconway: I like it | 20:36 |
| dmakogon_ | i would like to stay pure python | 20:36 |
| hub_cap | wait you arent running this whole infra in jython kevinconway? | 20:36 |
| vipul | what ahppened to the my little pony one | 20:36 |
| hub_cap | dmakogon_: lets pray hes joking | 20:36 |
| kevinconway | no, i'm running iron python | 20:36 |
| hub_cap | vipul: lady rainicorn still lives | 20:36 |
| SlickNik | my little pony one? | 20:36 |
| dmakogon_ | hub: ok :) | 20:36 |
| hub_cap | :) | 20:36 |
| SlickNik | oh, that was adventure time methinks | 20:36 |
| kevinconway | so i can use my vs2014 | 20:36 |
| hub_cap | i need to put some feelers out between projects that use guests | 20:37 |
| hub_cap | see if there is enough overlap between them | 20:37 |
| hub_cap | or if we should just say screw it and make our own (outside trove) guest | 20:37 |
| imsplitbit | I think the community already has plenty of those | 20:37 |
| grapex | My feeling is a guest by definition should be very small, so the basis of a common implementation is less important than a common interface. | 20:37 |
| dmakogon_ | hub_cap: vipul: SlickNik: do not forget about OpenStack TC acceptance | 20:37 |
| imsplitbit | I'd love to see a semi-unified agent | 20:37 |
| hub_cap | dmakogon_: fair point | 20:37 |
| isviridov_ | dmakogon_, +1 | 20:38 |
| kevinconway | what's the clever name we would use for an openstack guest project? | 20:38 |
| kevinconway | i think that's the most important part | 20:38 |
| imsplitbit | or just a common reference spec at the very least | 20:38 |
| hub_cap | kevinconway: obvi | 20:38 |
| hub_cap | imsplitbit: agreed | 20:38 |
| vipul | imsplitbit: i think a common implementation that works in production for all shoudl be the goal | 20:38 |
| hub_cap | ok so lets move on. ther is not much to do here for us in this meeting | 20:38 |
| hub_cap | we are all singing in concert | 20:39 |
| juice | vipul +1 | 20:39 |
| grapex | If kevinconway or someone wants to use a guest on a Windows OS maybe they'll even use a more VS2014-centric language to code it. :) | 20:39 |
| hub_cap | sans kevinconway and his iron jython | 20:39 |
| imsplitbit | but grapex +100000 I think python isn't necessarily the best way to implement a guest agent, esp for really small vms/containers | 20:39 |
| dmakogon_ | kevinconway: burglar | 20:39 |
| SlickNik | +1 to moving on. | 20:39 |
| imsplitbit | + | 20:39 |
| imsplitbit | ++1 | 20:39 |
| hub_cap | #topic trove refactoring | 20:39 |
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| isviridov_ | move on, thx hub_cap | 20:39 |
| hub_cap | dmakogon_: go go go | 20:39 |
| cp16net | 1++ | 20:39 |
| grapex | imsplitbit: And once you get there, I think enforcing an implementation only seems like a good idea if you've never encountered other people's specific problems. | 20:39 |
| hub_cap | are these all from last wk? | 20:39 |
| dmakogon_ | yes | 20:39 |
| imsplitbit | hub_cap: yep | 20:40 |
| dmakogon_ | we already doing some approved stuff | 20:40 |
| dmakogon_ | so, nothing new | 20:40 |
| dmakogon_ | i think we could move one | 20:40 |
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| SlickNik | sounds good | 20:40 |
| hub_cap | ok good | 20:40 |
| hub_cap | ill clean this up (the meeting stuff) | 20:41 |
| hub_cap | for next wk | 20:41 |
| hub_cap | #topic moving guest into a new repo | 20:41 |
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| dmakogon_ | hub_cap: sounds good | 20:41 |
| hub_cap | so we talked a while ago abotu moving the guest | 20:41 |
| hub_cap | this kinda goes back to topic -1 | 20:41 |
| SlickNik | Yes, we discussed it in the past. | 20:41 |
| hub_cap | i think its still a good idea (tm) | 20:41 |
| dmakogon_ | hub_cap: vipul: SlickNik: i have something to say | 20:41 |
| hub_cap | dmakogon_: plz do | 20:41 |
| SlickNik | go on | 20:41 |
| SlickNik | I also think it's a good idea. | 20:42 |
| dmakogon_ | hub_cap: vipul: SlickNik: we could create sepparate setup for GA package | 20:42 |
| dmakogon_ | hub_cap: vipul: SlickNik: 2 setup.py and 2 setup.cfg in one repo | 20:42 |
| SlickNik | dmakogon_: In order to do that we need to move it out into a separate package | 20:42 |
| dmakogon_ | hub_cap: vipul: SlickNik: but still in one repo | 20:43 |
| SlickNik | dmakogon_: openstack ci doesn't support 2 setup.py's in the same package. | 20:43 |
| hub_cap | 2 setup.py in same repo is not good i believe from mordred... | 20:43 |
| vipul | we could.. just wouldn't work too well with the tooling CI gives us | 20:43 |
| * hub_cap waits for mordred to magically appear | 20:43 | |
| mordred | correct | 20:43 |
| isviridov_ | With different repos, active development will we have double reviews in gerrit? | 20:43 |
| SlickNik | never fails. | 20:43 |
| * hub_cap waits for mordred to magically vanish | 20:43 | |
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| amcrn | didn't even have to say his name three times | 20:43 |
| dmakogon_ | lol | 20:43 |
| SlickNik | heh | 20:43 |
| hub_cap | HAHAHAHA that was awesome | 20:43 |
| mordred | 2 setup.py and 2 setup.cfg in one repo completely unsupported | 20:43 |
| hub_cap | good timing mordred | 20:43 |
| mordred | one repo == one release artifact | 20:44 |
| hub_cap | == one happy ci team | 20:44 |
| mordred | now - what are you talking about? :) | 20:44 |
| isviridov_ | mordred, double reviews in gerrit? | 20:44 |
| hub_cap | mezcal | 20:44 |
| mordred | isviridov_: why would you do double reviews? | 20:44 |
| hub_cap | lets not rabbit hole this | 20:44 |
| hub_cap | its not supported | 20:44 |
| hub_cap | i trust thre are good reasons | 20:44 |
| dmakogon_ | hub_cap: vipul: SlickNik: mordred: we could use second setup at instance, while tests, CI builds trove with original setup.py | 20:45 |
| hub_cap | mordred: and team are super smart, so lets go w. them on this | 20:45 |
| vipul | I don't know if the arguments for keeping them in the same repo are > keeping them separate | 20:45 |
| isviridov_ | mordred, If we are adding feature and changing core, and changing guest agent... | 20:45 |
| mordred | hub_cap: basically, python tooling is not good enough for this, it's confusing, it's hard to reason about, it breaks everything, and it will cause your children to lose all of their limbs | 20:45 |
| hub_cap | like a client, it can be a separate artifact. i think its a perfectly sane idea | 20:45 |
| hub_cap | oh god mordred but my sons only 10mo old! hes barely understanding his limbs | 20:46 |
| mordred | hub_cap: ++ | 20:46 |
| mordred | hub_cap: yup. they'll fall off | 20:46 |
| hub_cap | shiiiiiiii | 20:46 |
| dmakogon_ | hub_cap +1 for separate artifact | 20:46 |
| vipul | isviridov_: sure, there may be those cases, but you ahve the same issue with troveclient when you chagne the trove API | 20:46 |
| hub_cap | so this was more about the timeline | 20:46 |
| hub_cap | not whether to do it | 20:46 |
| hub_cap | we decided to do it already :) | 20:46 |
| hub_cap | like 6mo ago | 20:46 |
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| hub_cap | thx mordred, say hi to the other rabbits | 20:46 |
| mordred | squirrel! | 20:46 |
| dmakogon_ | and to Alise | 20:47 |
| hub_cap | HA | 20:47 |
| SlickNik | thanks mordred, say hi to clarkb for me :) | 20:47 |
| isviridov_ | vipul, means not so critical. Thx | 20:47 |
| hub_cap | ok so my gift to the group | 20:47 |
| SlickNik | So, this kinda ties in with the trove conductor work that datsun180b's been working on | 20:47 |
| kevinconway | hub_cap: bbq? | 20:47 |
| hub_cap | ill make sure i get a better timeline for this | 20:47 |
| hub_cap | hehe kevinconway nice | 20:47 |
| vipul | we should shoot for icehouse | 20:47 |
| dmakogon_ | btw, what about conductor ? | 20:48 |
| hub_cap | we need to shoot for i1 vipul | 20:48 |
| vipul | even better | 20:48 |
| hub_cap | thats when we get to rip shit out like a mad scientist | 20:48 |
| SlickNik | all the big changes happen in 1 :) | 20:48 |
| hub_cap | i need a scalpel and duct tape STAT | 20:48 |
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| hub_cap | do we need to discuss versions / service_types | 20:48 |
| hub_cap | or | 20:48 |
| hub_cap | guest_agent service registry | 20:48 |
| dmakogon_ | no | 20:48 |
| vipul | no | 20:48 |
| hub_cap | again i dont knwo if these are last wks | 20:48 |
| SlickNik | both were remnants of last week | 20:48 |
| dmakogon_ | last one interesting | 20:49 |
| hub_cap | pdmars: configuration management ya? | 20:49 |
| hub_cap | #topic configuration management | 20:49 |
| pdmars | yes | 20:49 |
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| hub_cap | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Trove/Configurations | 20:49 |
| pdmars | so i picked this bp up | 20:49 |
| SlickNik | go for it pdmars | 20:49 |
| pdmars | mostly makes sense, but i have some questions | 20:49 |
| pdmars | specifically about handling dynamic vs non-dynamic mysql vars | 20:49 |
| pdmars | dynamic don't require a restart, non-dynamic do | 20:50 |
| pdmars | i was thinking that when a configuration group is attached to an instance, it should set the dynamic vars and inform the user they need to restart to set non-dynamic | 20:50 |
| pdmars | do others have thoughts/opinions on that? | 20:50 |
| hub_cap | i think thats a valid point... maybe having a message upon group creation too? | 20:51 |
| vipul | what about returning wehther one is dynamic or not in an API call | 20:51 |
| pdmars | hub_cap: sure | 20:51 |
| vipul | so list of all available options | 20:51 |
| pdmars | yeah, so that info is in /configurations/parameters | 20:51 |
| hub_cap | vipul: thre is some api around "avail options" | 20:51 |
| vipul | ok | 20:51 |
| amcrn | pdmars: are you thinking of a state verification (like seen in a resize), force sending of ack=true, or ? | 20:51 |
| hub_cap | ya what pdmars says | 20:51 |
| pdmars | it lists what you can change, what the bounds are, and if it's dynamic | 20:51 |
| SlickNik | pdmars: that is good | 20:52 |
| vipul | so the question is whether to rquire the user to issue a restart vs. us doing it | 20:52 |
| hub_cap | amcrn: i think that maint windows would be good for restart but thats a ways off | 20:52 |
| amcrn | sorry, i think i worded it poorly | 20:52 |
| pdmars | hub_cap: amcrn: right | 20:52 |
| amcrn | i was asking what vipul is | 20:52 |
| pdmars | vipul: yes | 20:52 |
| hub_cap | hes american | 20:52 |
| hub_cap | sry | 20:52 |
| hub_cap | Merican | 20:52 |
| vipul | lol | 20:52 |
| amcrn | MURICA | 20:52 |
| SlickNik | heh | 20:52 |
| hub_cap | ha | 20:53 |
| pdmars | heh | 20:53 |
| dmakogon_ | let's keep this question for the nex meeting | 20:53 |
| hub_cap | well we have 7 min left, i think its ok to discuss | 20:53 |
| amcrn | you could send in a 'force-apply' in the request stating that if a restart-applicable parameter is included, that the instance be restarted | 20:53 |
| vipul | i think that's fair.. we shouldn't restart it | 20:53 |
| SlickNik | So I prefer informing the user that a restart is needed. | 20:53 |
| pdmars | i'd like some initial feedback today | 20:53 |
| pdmars | if possible | 20:53 |
| dmakogon_ | and. i think, we need some specs for it | 20:53 |
| hub_cap | amcrn: i think that will naturally happy | 20:53 |
| hub_cap | *happen | 20:53 |
| hub_cap | dmakogon_: see the link | 20:53 |
| cp16net | amcrn: i was thinking something similar | 20:54 |
| SlickNik | amcrn: I like that approach (force-apply) | 20:54 |
| kevinconway | maybe we should patch mysql to never need restart | 20:54 |
| hub_cap | when i change subject | 20:54 |
| hub_cap | guys | 20:54 |
| dmakogon_ | hub_cap: sorry missed that | 20:54 |
| hub_cap | if the config is edited | 20:54 |
| hub_cap | and a restart happens | 20:54 |
| hub_cap | you get a force apply | 20:54 |
| hub_cap | period | 20:54 |
| hub_cap | resizes restart an instance | 20:54 |
| vipul | kevinconway: maybe _you_ should :P | 20:54 |
| hub_cap | this will naturally happen | 20:54 |
| pdmars | hub_cap: right | 20:54 |
| dmakogon_ | hub_cap: i mean specs for force applying | 20:54 |
| cp16net | like an api to /apply gets a response do what it needs to do | 20:54 |
| hub_cap | we dont need a flag for this | 20:54 |
| pdmars | hub_cap: agreed | 20:54 |
| cp16net | either restart or say you're good | 20:54 |
| hub_cap | on no i dont think we need a response | 20:55 |
| hub_cap | thatll be complicated | 20:55 |
| hub_cap | just warn "these wont go into affect till you /instanc/id/actions {restart} | 20:55 |
| SlickNik | so if a user doesn't want a restart, he doesn't change the config? | 20:55 |
| hub_cap | " | 20:55 |
| hub_cap | w/o the newline | 20:55 |
| pdmars | hub_cap: yes | 20:55 |
| dmakogon_ | hub_cap: algorithm for this operation is not so clear is it should be, is some one got perfect vision of this task ? | 20:55 |
| hub_cap | SlickNik: the dynamics get changed | 20:55 |
| cp16net | maybe i was misstaken... so you can push >1 config at a time? | 20:55 |
| hub_cap | mysql in to the instance, change what you can | 20:55 |
| cp16net | or not? | 20:55 |
| hub_cap | the non dynamics, which require restart, will just sit ther ein the cofnig file | 20:56 |
| kevinconway | 1 config or 1 config option? | 20:56 |
| hub_cap | *config | 20:56 |
| hub_cap | dmakogon_: thats why pdmars is asking these questions :) | 20:56 |
| amcrn | I see what you're saying hub_cap, that works | 20:56 |
| hub_cap | if you submit things that are dynamic and non dynamic (is there a better word for that) | 20:56 |
| hub_cap | the dynamic ones get applied | 20:56 |
| amcrn | as long as on a instance-get, it has some sort of flag saying outstanding changes haven't been applied | 20:56 |
| hub_cap | and both get written | 20:56 |
| amcrn | otherwise you might forget | 20:57 |
| hub_cap | amcrn: thats a fair point | 20:57 |
| pdmars | amcrn: hmm | 20:57 |
| hub_cap | restart_pending | 20:57 |
| vipul | are we storing these configs? | 20:57 |
| hub_cap | vipul: yes | 20:57 |
| vipul | besides just on the my.cnf right? | 20:57 |
| cp16net | maybe yeah a different state change | 20:57 |
| pdmars | vipul: we write them to an overrides.cnf file for mysql | 20:57 |
| hub_cap | thatll be useful for maint windows (restart_pending or whatever) | 20:57 |
| cp16net | yeah i like that | 20:57 |
| hub_cap | maint window can see if a user needs to restart | 20:57 |
| vipul | i see use cases where you may want to spin up a new instance with an existing config | 20:57 |
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| hub_cap | that is valid too vipul | 20:57 |
| kevinconway | would this be a use case for: 205 Reset Content | 20:57 |
| pdmars | vipul: also can do | 20:57 |
| hub_cap | its in the spec i believe | 20:57 |
| vipul | cool | 20:58 |
| pdmars | hub_cap: yes | 20:58 |
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| pdmars | so the other major question is the unassign ... same basic idea | 20:58 |
| SlickNik | I'm fine with the warn as long as we have the restart_pending | 20:58 |
| pdmars | SlickNik: ok, i think that's reasonable | 20:58 |
| hub_cap | +1 SlickNik amcrn et al | 20:58 |
| SlickNik | else the user has no way to know that only half his config is applied upon inspection of the instance | 20:58 |
| amcrn | pdmars: after we fully read your wiki, where would you like comments/questions posted? Is there a bug/bp, or in-line on the wiki? | 20:58 |
| robertmyers | why not just allways warn they need to restart? | 20:59 |
| hub_cap | i wish bp had a better way to do this amcrn :( | 20:59 |
| amcrn | word | 20:59 |
| pdmars | in line, or in irc to me/the group, whatever works for you | 20:59 |
| hub_cap | ok meeting is over. we didnt get to finish | 20:59 |
| amcrn | pdmars: ok, cool. | 20:59 |
| hub_cap | lets move this discussion back to #openstack-trove | 20:59 |
| hub_cap | to get consensus on last item for pdmars | 20:59 |
| hub_cap | and to have open discussion | 20:59 |
| pdmars | ok | 20:59 |
| SlickNik | sounds good | 20:59 |
| dmakogon_ | ok | 20:59 |
| hub_cap | any final words of wisdom? | 20:59 |
| SlickNik | I want to make a suggestion | 21:00 |
| dmakogon_ | Love for everyone ! | 21:00 |
| SlickNik | the wiki page for the meeting. | 21:00 |
| cp16net | <3 | 21:00 |
| SlickNik | Can we have a _previous_ meeting section | 21:00 |
| dmakogon_ | <3 | 21:00 |
| grapex | <3 | 21:00 |
| hub_cap | not a bad idea SlickNik | 21:00 |
| dmakogon_ | SlickNik +1 | 21:00 |
| hub_cap | HUGS | 21:00 |
| hub_cap | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings (alternate)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 11 21:00:45 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| SlickNik | and when the meeting is over move the meeting agenda from this week to the previous section | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2013/trove.2013-09-11-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2013/trove.2013-09-11-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2013/trove.2013-09-11-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
| SlickNik | I'll do it for this week | 21:00 |
| grapex | dmakogon_: Instead of "o/" we need to come up with some emoticon that can represent everyone holding hands. | 21:00 |
| hub_cap | SlickNik: make it so | 21:00 |
| SlickNik | tight | 21:01 |
| hub_cap | \o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/ | 21:01 |
| cp16net | lol | 21:01 |
| dmakogon_ | \o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/ | 21:01 |
| hub_cap | :P | 21:01 |
| grapex | >-|o | 21:01 |
| grapex | >-|o | 21:01 |
| hub_cap | heh ok lets leave this room in caes there is another meeting | 21:01 |
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