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| esker | bswartz: here | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | shamail: no everyone from netapp has been heads down on havana-3 stuff | 15:13 |
| bswartz | rob did you want to share the wiki links? | 15:13 |
| shamail | bswartz: thanks | 15:13 |
| esker | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Shares_Service | 15:13 |
| esker | Needs work... good thing it's a wiki so others can help improve it ;-) | 15:14 |
| bswartz | if dowillia is here, feel welcome to file BPs -- let me know if you have problems | 15:14 |
| bswartz | I want to get BPs for the network plumbing stuff entered, and linked to functional specs | 15:14 |
| bswartz | even if we don't have people or dates for that work | 15:15 |
| vbellur | bswartz: dowillia has a conflict today, I will pass on the message to him. | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | the network plumbing will be the most interesting and fun work probably | 15:15 |
| bswartz | however it will probably require much discussion | 15:15 |
| shamail | bswartz: agreed. | 15:15 |
| bswartz | we won't have any formal sessions scheduled at the conference in November, but we should definitely create 1 or 2 unconference sessions to get together and hammer out plans | 15:16 |
| vbellur | bswartz: agree | 15:16 |
| bswartz | and anything we can get written up and shared w/ the group between now and Hong Kong is good -- please share it at these meetings | 15:17 |
| esker | Design summit sessions haven't been established yet to the best of my knowledge | 15:17 |
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| bswartz | esker: I know | 15:17 |
| bswartz | okay so by next week we'll have some names of people we can assign BPs to | 15:18 |
| bswartz | and I'll have the rest of the BPs up | 15:18 |
| shamail | bswartz: Is now the time to start discussing/submitting other potential BPs besides quotas, networking plumbing or getting these entered is good enough until the conference? (new to this process overall) | 15:18 |
| vbellur | bswartz: sounds like that, i'll also try putting together some BPs | 15:18 |
| esker | Also, wrt the Summit: http://www.openstack.org/rate/Presentation/file-share-services-for-openstack | 15:18 |
| bswartz | shamail: yes we can never have too many BPs | 15:18 |
| shamail | bswartz: thanks for the info. | 15:19 |
| bswartz | worse case they won't get targetted or assigned | 15:19 |
| esker | votes would be appreciated | 15:19 |
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| bswartz | however it's good to capture all the ideas in one place | 15:19 |
| bswartz | esker: thanks for posting that | 15:19 |
| bswartz | also if you're not familiar with Launchpad or BPs, BPs tend to be short -- a few paragraphs about an idea | 15:20 |
| bswartz | if possible it's good to link to a full-length functional spec on the openstack wiki | 15:20 |
| shamail | bswartz: thanks | 15:20 |
| bswartz | so if you can describe your ideas in detail then there's an easy place to go find them and we can discuss | 15:20 |
| bswartz | https://launchpad.net/manila/ | 15:20 |
| bswartz | that's our LP page for any that don't have the link | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | also, please join in #openstack-manila if you're haning out on IRC and interested in the project | 15:22 |
| shamail | bswartz: will do | 15:22 |
| vbellur | bswartz: what might be a good time to propose manila for incubation in havana? | 15:22 |
| bswartz | vbellur: I would like to be ready to propose it by the havana release time -- so late October | 15:23 |
| bswartz | that means we need to have the code all cleaned up and working, and hosted on stackforge by that time | 15:23 |
| vbellur | bswartz: right | 15:23 |
| bswartz | then we can run icehouse like a normal release, albeit as an incubated project not an official one | 15:23 |
| SamF | is that realistic, was it all working under cinder? | 15:24 |
| bswartz | SamF: yes absolutely | 15:24 |
| bswartz | all of the APIs are working and the manager/driver code are working | 15:24 |
| bswartz | I expect some things to blow up during the refactoring | 15:24 |
| bswartz | but we can get those fixed in the next 2 months | 15:25 |
| SamF | then that seems like a good goal. | 15:25 |
| bswartz | SamF: the main limitation to the existing code is that it assumes a flat network, or it assume that network plumbing is an exercise for the user | 15:25 |
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| KDurazzo | are there any specific milestones that absolutely need to be completed prior to the havana meeting? | 15:25 |
| vbellur | lpabon: hey there | 15:26 |
| KDurazzo | to ensure success for project approval | 15:26 |
| lpabon | vbellur: hi, sorry for coming in late | 15:26 |
| bswartz | KDurazzo: I'm not sure if there's a technical requirement that we have to be a certain state by a certain date to become an incubated project | 15:26 |
| bswartz | I think projects can get on the incubation track any time | 15:26 |
| vbellur | lpabon: np, we are right now discussing the process involved for incubating manila | 15:27 |
| lpabon | great | 15:27 |
| bswartz | however it's in our best interest to line up with the havana release, so icehouse can be run like a normal release | 15:27 |
| KDurazzo | bswartz: thanks for the clarification | 15:27 |
| bswartz | any other questions or topics? | 15:28 |
| vbellur | bswartz: nothing more on that, looks good to me. | 15:28 |
| shamail | bswartz: just one question since I'm just joining... what are the use cases? | 15:28 |
| bswartz | for those of you who joined late, I apologize the bot didn't record this meeting | 15:28 |
| shamail | bswartz: generic shared folders or are we assuming shared app files as well? | 15:28 |
| bswartz | shamail: take a look at the wiki page https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Shares_Service | 15:29 |
| lpabon | i will like to introduce myself - I will be one of the Red Hat engineers working on Manila project | 15:29 |
| gkleiman | what is the next step on the name? | 15:29 |
| bswartz | lpabon: welcome! | 15:29 |
| shamail | bswartz: thanks, I'll probably see you in the openstack-manila room too. | 15:29 |
| vbellur | lpabon: I alluded to that before you joined in :) | 15:29 |
| lpabon | vbellur: Great! :-) | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | shamail: the goal of this project is to create the management interface necessary to allow cross-vendor NAS services to be managed and attached to openstack tenants/instances | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | what the end user does with them after they're connected is mostly out of scope for us, but we want to enable as wide a set of use cases as possible | 15:31 |
| esker | regarding name, we ran through several possibilities... all of which ran afoul of trademark sensibilities | 15:32 |
| shamail | bswartz: understood, i'll read through the wiki use cases tonight. | 15:32 |
| esker | manila is a working name, but is increasingly likely to be what we settle on | 15:32 |
| bswartz | gkleiman: regarding the name, we're sticking w/ manila until someone sues us | 15:32 |
| esker | trademark search not yet complete though | 15:32 |
| esker | Any objections? | 15:33 |
| gkleiman | bswartz: love it | 15:33 |
| KDurazzo | esker: none here | 15:33 |
| bswartz | yeah I'll ask if anyone knows of specific problems with the name manila | 15:33 |
| SamF | works for me | 15:33 |
| vbellur | manila++ from me | 15:33 |
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| lpabon | +1 | 15:34 |
| bswartz | I like it because it's the same number of letters as cinder and the global find/replace operation will not change any line lengths | 15:34 |
| bswartz | plus it's a proper noun, and less likely to run into trademark issues because of that | 15:35 |
| bswartz | okay if there are no more topics, I'll end this meeting and see you all in #openstack-manila | 15:35 |
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| shamail | Nice to meet everyone, take care! | 15:35 |
| bswartz | and again, this meeting was not recorded by the openstack bot, but I have the logs if anyone needs them | 15:35 |
| esker | likewise, thanks! | 15:35 |
| vbellur | shamail: good meeting you too! | 15:35 |
| lpabon | take care | 15:35 |
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| vbellur | SamF: bye | 15:36 |
| KDurazzo | bye | 15:36 |
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| gkleiman | bswartz: will the next meeting be on openstack-manila or stay on meeting-alt? | 15:36 |
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| vbellur | gkleiman: the plan is to continue having meetings here afaik. | 15:37 |
| bswartz | gkleiman: these weekly meeting will always be in this room, but only at 1500UTC thursdays | 15:37 |
| bswartz | we're in #openstack-manila all day every day | 15:37 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | savanna team meeting will be here in 5 mins | 17:58 |
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| ogelbukh | SergeyLukjanov: o/ | 18:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ogelbukh, howdy | 18:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | are there anyone from Hortonworks? | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok, it's time to start the meeting | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting savanna | 18:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 22 18:07:36 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: savanna)" | 18:07 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'savanna' | 18:07 |
| aignatov | hi | 18:07 |
| rnirmal | hi | 18:07 |
| ruhe | hello | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Agenda | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info News / updates | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info Roadmap cleanup / update | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info Action items from the last meeting | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info PTL election results | 18:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Agenda (Meeting topic: savanna)" | 18:08 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info REST API refactoring discussion | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info EDP discussions | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info General discussion | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 18:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News / updates (Meeting topic: savanna)" | 18:08 | |
| sacharya | hi | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | folks, let's share news | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | first of all, we merged conductor code | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and migration to the new db layer has been completed | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info conductor code merged, migration to the new db layer completed | 18:09 |
| akuznetsov | On edp part we have a REST API for data source, job and job origin creation | 18:10 |
| aignatov | it's me with Oozie | 18:10 |
| aignatov | again | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info first part of UI code for EDP merged | 18:10 |
| nadya | in edp part we have a prototype that successfully works with pig-workflow creation and running | 18:10 |
| mattf | #info savanna-image-elements (savanna-extra) and python-savannaclient packages have been accepted into Fedora 19. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=998702 and https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9987021 respectively. | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info integration tests for HDP plugin added | 18:10 |
| aignatov | i've updated vanilla plugin to be able to start oozie service with needed heap size | 18:11 |
| akuznetsov | I hope tomorrow we have a first draft for scheduling job on demand cluster | 18:11 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | sounds great | 18:12 |
| mattf | topic for general discussion - for 0.3, should we plan to release to Fedora & EPEL at the same time as OpenStack or should Fedora & EPEL happen after? | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any other news/updates? | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, ok, let's discuss it in the general section | 18:12 |
| nadya | guys from RedHat began to work with binaries | 18:13 |
| aignatov | also we've backported some fixes related to hdp plugin | 18:13 |
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| aignatov | to stable/0.2 | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info EDP support partially added to the client | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok, let's move on | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Roadmap cleanup / update | 18:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roadmap cleanup / update (Meeting topic: savanna)" | 18:14 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | are there any thoughts about adding/updating points to the Roadmap? | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok, great :) | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 18:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: savanna)" | 18:14 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info there are no action items from the last meeting | 18:14 |
| mattf | nothing from me for this week. i did notice a blog post about savanna that identified us as planning to incubate for 1.0, source was the roadmap. | 18:15 |
| ruhe | can you give us a link? | 18:16 |
| mattf | i'll try to dig it up later | 18:16 |
| ruhe | thanks | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok, let's move on | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic PTL election results | 18:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTL election results (Meeting topic: savanna)" | 18:17 | |
| mattf | #info Congrats to SergeyLukjanov, who won the PTL election 14-0 - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Savanna/PTL | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, please | 18:17 |
| ruhe | congrats Sergey | 18:17 |
| mattf | i'll post the results to os-dev as well | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, good news ;) | 18:17 |
| rnirmal | congrats.. | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, thank you for preparing and driving election process! | 18:17 |
| mattf | the electorate contained 20 voters, so SergeyLukjanov got over 50%, which is nice given he was uncontested | 18:17 |
| rnirmal | nice "Sergey Lukjanov (14) won against None (0)" | 18:18 |
| tmckay | wow, 14-0 | 18:18 |
| aignatov | great news | 18:18 |
| tmckay | None got None | 18:18 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, you're all welcome, and congrats to you Sergey | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thanks :) | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info REST API refactoring discussion | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | rnirmal, please | 18:19 |
| rnirmal | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/savanna/+spec/refactor-v1api | 18:19 |
| rnirmal | that's the blueprint. I have some notes at #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/savanna_refactor_v1_api | 18:19 |
| mattf | ruhe, http://bighadoop.wordpress.com/2013/08/18/openstack-savanna-fast-hadoop-cluster-provisioning-on-openstack/ | 18:20 |
| rnirmal | It may seem a whole lot to tackle at once...but I'd like to discuss each item before I or someone else can proceed to implement those changes | 18:20 |
| ruhe | mattf, thanks again | 18:20 |
| rnirmal | how do you'll want to proceed.. can I talk about one or 2 items today ? | 18:20 |
| rnirmal | I'm trying to put some high level points here #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Savanna/ApiUpdates | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | rnirmal, maybe it'll be more useful to start a thread in ML about it to involve more folks to it? btw we can discuss several items today | 18:21 |
| rnirmal | SergeyLukjanov: yes I'll do that as well, that may be more helpful for a better conversation | 18:22 |
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| ruhe | rnirmal, so the goal is to separate the concerns for a Deployer and User. Is it a common practise in other OS components? | 18:22 |
| rnirmal | ruhe: yes thru making parts of the extensions or api as admin_only | 18:23 |
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| rnirmal | I don't think any other project other than Trove that has a separate admin api | 18:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | rnirmal, yep, we're thinking about adding admin_only apis | 18:23 |
| sacharya | And also, only mandatory features thats common between all plugins should be in core.. so users can theoretically switch between providers | 18:24 |
| rnirmal | a separate admin api would be nice... but making some admin_only extensions will be a good place to start | 18:24 |
| rnirmal | true that as well... I think so far both the plugins are on par | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | rnirmal, we have some plans on updating REST API code from flask to more OS common solutions | 18:24 |
| rnirmal | SergeyLukjanov: yeah there's been some discussions on using a common solution, but don't think one has emerged | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | currently there is no ability to add extensions easily | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I don't think that it could be done in 0.3 version | 18:25 |
| rnirmal | sorry I'm not too familiar with flask.. | 18:25 |
| tmckay | I think keystone is an example of an api split between admin and user, iirc | 18:26 |
| rnirmal | which maybe fine | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | but it's a good time to discuss how the 2.0 API whould looks like | 18:26 |
| rnirmal | thank tmckay yeah keystone has that | 18:26 |
| * tmckay loves flask | 18:26 | |
| rnirmal | so I guess before we start off... 2.0 is how you'll want it to go rather than updating 1.0 ? | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | currently the are a lot of code done that depends on API - client, dashboard, etc, so we don't want to break it | 18:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | rnirmal, currently we have now plans for the 2.0 REST API, but it looks like that it's a great candidate to be the next REST API polished and more functional than current one | 18:28 |
| rnirmal | SergeyLukjanov: would you consider that as the primary API we could say go to incubation with ? | 18:28 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | rnirmal, I think we have no time to rework the API from scratch before the 0.3 release | 18:29 |
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| rnirmal | SergeyLukjanov: agree it's going to take some effort.. when is 0.3 slated for ? | 18:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mid of Oct | 18:30 |
| sacharya | and when is the plan to apply for incubation? | 18:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we'll send an incubation application in several weeks | 18:30 |
| rnirmal | hmm we could depending on the extent of the changes... | 18:30 |
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| rnirmal | but I think a 2.0 api will give us a little more freedom to work things out | 18:31 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | rnirmal, yep, it could be discussed and designed much better if we'll have much time to do it | 18:31 |
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| rnirmal | totally agree... do we have a consensus there | 18:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any objections for moving API improvements to the next release? | 18:34 |
| crobertsrh | Makes sense to me | 18:34 |
| nadya | rnirmal, do you think that migration to new API may be done gradually? | 18:34 |
| rnirmal | nadya: as in not make it too drastically different from the current 1.0? | 18:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info move API improvements to the next release (REST API v. 2.0 ?) | 18:35 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | any other thoughts? | 18:36 |
| rnirmal | it's going to change some existing workflows in how the current api is getting used. so from that case there would be a migration | 18:36 |
| rnirmal | but hopefully most of the backend will remain close to what it is now | 18:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #action rnirmal to start thread in ML to discuss REST API improvements | 18:39 |
| SergeyLukjanov | rnirmal, thank you | 18:39 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic EDP discussions | 18:39 |
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| rnirmal | thanks SergeyLukjanov I'll create a new blueprint for 2.0 and work from that | 18:39 |
| rnirmal | and delete the existing one | 18:39 |
| ruhe | rnirmal, i'd suggest to announce such blueprints in the mailing list, since IRC is not a reliable channel | 18:39 |
| aignatov | agreed with ruhe | 18:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | +1 | 18:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | open discussion for EDP questions | 18:40 |
| rnirmal | ruhe: ok will do.. yeah I figured it was so.. I've been trying to talk about it on irc for the past 2 weeks :) | 18:40 |
| rnirmal | I've got an EDP question | 18:40 |
| rnirmal | why 1.1 api for EDP? should be look at keeping the EDP and provisioning api's separate | 18:41 |
| rnirmal | with it's own versioning? | 18:41 |
| rnirmal | I wasn't involved early on so not sure what the thought process was like | 18:42 |
| SergeyLukjanov | rnirmal, we have no plans for doing it now, it should be discussed too | 18:42 |
| rnirmal | ok | 18:42 |
| SergeyLukjanov | can't see any pros and cons now for doing it | 18:42 |
| rnirmal | yeah don't want to change it now, but just wondering | 18:42 |
| SergeyLukjanov | but I think that EDP depends on the main API | 18:42 |
| ruhe | my opinion - let's keep things simple for now. if we'll see that separate versioning is really necessary, then make it's own versioning | 18:43 |
| akuznetsov | rnirmal EDP can add some feature to main API for example transient cluster | 18:43 |
| rnirmal | ok looks like there's some reason to keep it layered than separate | 18:44 |
| rnirmal | cool thanks. | 18:44 |
| tmckay | I have a minor question related to EDP rest API. I've noticed that we don't have a good handler for "duplicate" errors from the db. | 18:45 |
| tmckay | "error_code": 500, | 18:45 |
| tmckay | "error_message": "Internal Server Error", | 18:45 |
| tmckay | "error_name": "INTERNAL_SERVER_ERROR" | 18:45 |
| tmckay | is typical | 18:45 |
| tmckay | This suggests to me a "check_not_exist" validation on the urls. I chatted with nadya about this yesterday. Thoughts? | 18:46 |
| tmckay | (for create calls, that is) | 18:46 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, there are some problems with handling several errors... | 18:46 |
| rnirmal | hmm that should be a 400 bad request, suggesting duplicate information. | 18:47 |
| rnirmal | not sure if 409 would be applicable in this case | 18:47 |
| rnirmal | since the resource does not exist yet | 18:47 |
| SergeyLukjanov | rnirmal, yep, 400 looks better | 18:47 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, could you please create an issue for it? | 18:47 |
| tmckay | yes. Should it be blueprint, or just an issue? | 18:48 |
| aignatov | just an issue | 18:48 |
| rnirmal | just looks like a bug | 18:48 |
| tmckay | will do | 18:48 |
| ruhe | i like everything which would help users to understand the reason of error, and provide more information to us developers in the logs | 18:48 |
| tmckay | absolutely | 18:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any other questions/thoughts? | 18:50 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #action tmckay to create an issue about incorrect handling of "duplicate" errors | 18:50 |
| aignatov | I think we should have an validation logic to check if Oozie service presents on existing cluster running for EDP purposes | 18:51 |
| aignatov | if doen't present | 18:51 |
| aignatov | stop runing jobs | 18:51 |
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| aignatov | starting job) | 18:51 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | sounds reasonable | 18:52 |
| akuznetsov | yes we should add this check | 18:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #action aignatov to create an issue about lack of the validation while starting job (check for Oozie before it) | 18:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok, let's move on | 18:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info General discussion | 18:53 |
| nadya | will we support several swifts: one for input data and one for output? | 18:53 |
| mattf | when we do a release we produce tarballs for the openstack community. i'd like opinions on if (a) we should try to synchronize release of packages to fedora+epel or (b) we should have fedora+epel lag the openstack community release | 18:54 |
| nadya | I mean one swift from other clour e.g. | 18:54 |
| nadya | *cloud | 18:54 |
| rnirmal | mattf: b | 18:55 |
| ruhe | mattf, what shall we do when we have ubuntu packages? (b) is the only option imho | 18:55 |
| SergeyLukjanov | absolutely agree with ruhe | 18:55 |
| akuznetsov | also i think there is also valid use case for copy data from one tenant to other | 18:55 |
| mattf | ruhe, what makes you say that? | 18:56 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and additionally it's not a common process for other OS projects | 18:56 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, yup | 18:56 |
| ruhe | well, if we choose (a) we'll sync with fedora+epel. then we'll create ubuntu packages and we'll want to sync with ubuntu part. it looks too complex to me | 18:57 |
| aignatov | rnirmal, do you have plans to finish your bugfix patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/42005/ | 18:57 |
| rnirmal | aignatov: yes added more more check will push that out soon | 18:57 |
| mattf | ruhe, (a) is only about pushing packages to fed+epel, not synchronizing our release with theirs | 18:57 |
| ruhe | oh, i see now | 18:58 |
| mattf | the impact of (a) would be some time window to do release engineering work to prepare the push before official release | 18:58 |
| aignatov | rnirmal, ok, great | 18:58 |
| rnirmal | aignatov: added the fix for your comment.. just went back and looked at where all it was used | 18:59 |
| aignatov | ok | 18:59 |
| ruhe | mattf, since you're the only person who can do that, i think it might be a SPOF for release of Savanna | 18:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, you mean to try to release packages to fed+epel at the same time w/o moving savanna release date? | 19:00 |
| aignatov | it seems we are out of time in this channel | 19:00 |
| mattf | could be, that power can be expanded tho | 19:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, yep | 19:00 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, yeah | 19:00 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | thank you folks, let's move to the #savanna channel | 19:00 |
| mattf | oops, ok | 19:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info JFYI you can always use openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org mailing lists and #savanna irc channel to find us and ask your questions | 19:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 22 19:00:54 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2013/savanna.2013-08-22-18.07.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2013/savanna.2013-08-22-18.07.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2013/savanna.2013-08-22-18.07.log.html | 19:00 |
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| markwash | o/ | 20:01 |
| nikhil | o/ | 20:01 |
| markwash | glance folks? | 20:01 |
| zhiyan | hey | 20:01 |
| iccha | hey | 20:01 |
| markwash | #startmeeting glance | 20:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 22 20:02:04 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markwash. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 20:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 20:02 |
| * markwash is a chair! | 20:02 | |
| iccha | i though markwash is human | 20:02 |
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| markwash | my cats contend that my human-ness is secondary to my chair-ness | 20:02 |
| brianr | howdy | 20:03 |
| markwash | As we all know, the H-3 merge deadline is looming. | 20:03 |
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| markwash | So I'd like to focus for the first half of this meeting (if it takes that long) on scheduling all the appropriate followups to merge our outstanding blueprints | 20:03 |
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| markwash | #link https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/havana-3 | 20:04 |
| markwash | Let's talk scrubber refactoring first | 20:05 |
| markwash | oh, I should highlight folks to for proper summoning | 20:05 |
| zhiyan | markwash: yes, currently IMO the change is ready to you/team review. | 20:05 |
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| markwash | It looks like this is pretty close to ready | 20:06 |
| markwash | zhiyan: I just want to sit down with you and walk through what's going on in some of the core scrubber changes | 20:06 |
| zhiyan | markwash: thanks, actually i'd like this part refactoring can be landed firstly, then to location-status part if i'm not wrong. | 20:06 |
| markwash | so can we schedule that for sometime soon? | 20:06 |
| zhiyan | markwash: sure, of cause | 20:07 |
| markwash | zhiyan: are you available at 14:00 UTC tomorrow? | 20:07 |
| markwash | oh wait, that's terrible for jbresnah | 20:07 |
| markwash | jbresnah_ that is | 20:07 |
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| jbresnah | sorry i am late! | 20:08 |
| zhiyan | markwash: ok, 14:00UTC tomorrow. | 20:08 |
| jbresnah | what is the topic of the meeting? | 20:08 |
| markwash | jbresnah: we are talking broadly about landing h-3 bps, and right now glance-scrubber | 20:08 |
| jbresnah | i mean the meeting tomorrow | 20:08 |
| markwash | zhiyan: sorry, I realized that's a bad time. would later today work? | 20:08 |
| markwash | jbresnah: final review of the glance-scrubber refactoring | 20:08 |
| zhiyan | markwash: that's ok to me also :) | 20:09 |
| jbresnah | even just 1500 is a lot better for me | 20:09 |
| jbresnah | if possible | 20:09 |
| markwash | sorry, I realized I actually can't tmrw (sigh!) | 20:10 |
| markwash | let's just. . | 20:10 |
| markwash | #action zhiyan and markwash to meet for a walkthrough-review of glance scrubber refactoring, others are welcome, time will be announced in #openstack-glance after this meeting | 20:10 |
| jbresnah | cool | 20:10 |
| markwash | now | 20:10 |
| markwash | #topic basic quotas | 20:10 |
| jbresnah | if it has to be at 1400 i can try to make it | 20:10 |
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| markwash | jbresnah: aiming for today rather than tmrw morning | 20:11 |
| jbresnah | and if i cannot i will jsut submarine everything you agreed upon in email later | 20:11 |
| markwash | haha :-) | 20:11 |
| jbresnah | not really | 20:11 |
| markwash | for basic quotas, review is here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/37993/ | 20:12 |
| markwash | I started to wade in again, but didn't make it through the current patchset | 20:12 |
| markwash | it looks like there's been considerable back and forth. . does it look like we're getting close? | 20:12 |
| jbresnah | i think so | 20:13 |
| jbresnah | 2 big issues that people might not like | 20:13 |
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| jbresnah | 1) my handling of multiple locations | 20:13 |
| jbresnah | 2) the quota is checked before the upload, and again after | 20:13 |
| jbresnah | i can explain both | 20:13 |
| zhiyan | jbresnah: i like them all since i know the root causes ... | 20:14 |
| jbresnah | #1 is basically the usage is all of a users images times their size | 20:14 |
| jbresnah | ...not worded well | 20:14 |
| jbresnah | useage is sum([image.size * len(image.locations) for image in all_users_images]) | 20:15 |
| jbresnah | which has some drawbacks | 20:15 |
| jbresnah | but i think the current feeling is that once a location is added to glance, the associated store 'owns' it | 20:16 |
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| jbresnah | this discussion came up when talking about delete | 20:16 |
| jbresnah | and if that is true, i think it should could | 20:16 |
| jbresnah | #2 has to happen because we do not always know the size upfront | 20:16 |
| jbresnah | we could ONLY check after the upload and be safe | 20:16 |
| jbresnah | the check before is really just an optimization | 20:17 |
| jbresnah | markwash: make sense? | 20:17 |
| markwash | yes, thanks for the extra info | 20:17 |
| markwash | I notice there isn't any enforcement on adding a location, yet, do you agree? | 20:17 |
| jbresnah | other than that it is just a simple matter of code ;-) | 20:17 |
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| zhiyan | zhiyan: yes, those are not perfect, but it's workable and do the right things, it's trade off | 20:17 |
| jbresnah | markwash: that is probably true | 20:18 |
| zhiyan | zhiyan: oh, seems i'm talking to myself. | 20:18 |
| jbresnah | markwash: ...it seems so obvious when you say it | 20:18 |
| jbresnah | sigh | 20:18 |
| zhiyan | markwash: +1 | 20:18 |
| jbresnah | i should be able to run that through the quota proxy | 20:19 |
| jbresnah | i think | 20:19 |
| markwash | jbresnah: yes, it might get a little ugly though, fair warning | 20:19 |
| zhiyan | btw, from the change i fixed a potential image data leak issue: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/42896/ | 20:20 |
| markwash | okay, so it sounds like a little bit more dev is needed there, though more review won't hurt with the current patch | 20:20 |
| markwash | let's move on to the other outstanding bp | 20:20 |
| markwash | #topic protected properties | 20:20 |
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| markwash | iccha: o/ | 20:20 |
| iccha | markwash: /o | 20:21 |
| iccha | hemanth_: and me have been working on it | 20:21 |
| iccha | we uploaded first patch yesterday. will do some more refactoring and uplaod more patches today evening/tomorrow | 20:21 |
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| iccha | early review and feedback will be much appreciated | 20:21 |
| iccha | might need some iteration | 20:21 |
| markwash | iccha okay cool, so the bp should be in "Needs Review" now? | 20:22 |
| iccha | yes probably | 20:22 |
| markwash | done | 20:22 |
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| markwash | all right then | 20:22 |
| zhiyan | iccha: also could you pls attach the review link to bp page? | 20:23 |
| markwash | I think it would also be great to talk a little bit about async processing | 20:23 |
| markwash | #topic async processing | 20:23 |
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| markwash | I'm a little worried because I've seen two conflicting patches show up from venkatesh and from flwang | 20:23 |
| markwash | I'm also pretty eager to avoid landing this feature halfway in havana | 20:24 |
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| markwash | I guess maybe we don't have venkatesh or flwang present | 20:24 |
| nikhil | markwash: yes, was working there with fie and venkat to push on these fronts | 20:24 |
| nikhil | none | 20:24 |
| nikhil | i've talked with both today morning | 20:25 |
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| zhiyan | markwash: could you pls paste those two review link to here? | 20:25 |
| nikhil | however, dont think flwang knows about venkat's patch | 20:25 |
| markwash | nikhil: I see two ways we could move forward on this | 20:25 |
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| markwash | we can have WIP gerrit reviews, that depend on each other | 20:25 |
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| markwash | or if you want more flexibility (but also more overhead) you can set up a branch in one of your own github repos | 20:26 |
| markwash | and manage the commits in there | 20:26 |
| nikhil | markwash: actually, that's what i'd intended | 20:26 |
| nikhil | ad my commits up in persnal repo was a ref point | 20:26 |
| nikhil | for both fei and venkat | 20:26 |
| markwash | nikhil: okay, cool. . so then I guess to follow up on that, fei and venkat should either put those reviews as WIP or Abandoned for now | 20:27 |
| nikhil | however, fei seems to have submitted the patch so venkat did as well | 20:27 |
| markwash | lol | 20:27 |
| nikhil | markwash: gotcha | 20:27 |
| markwash | nikhil: thanks for working with them | 20:27 |
| markwash | zhiyan: I don't have the links on hand one sec | 20:27 |
| nikhil | and thanks for the clarification! | 20:27 |
| brianr | markwash: i have a question about our decision to use json blobs in the task objects | 20:28 |
| markwash | brianr: go for it | 20:28 |
| brianr | https://etherpad.openstack.org/LG39UnQA7z | 20:28 |
| brianr | lines 38-43 | 20:28 |
| harlowja | sorry, guys, in my other meeting right now, will look over after i think :) | 20:29 |
| harlowja | just fyi | 20:29 |
| brianr | harlowja: thanks | 20:29 |
| ameade | brianr: i think we knew jays concern going it right? | 20:29 |
| markwash | brianr: it is our intention to disallow search | 20:29 |
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| ameade | in** | 20:29 |
| markwash | brianr: if we need search, we can add it and just change the schema as needed | 20:30 |
| nikhil | markwash: i think the intent is to allow search on random string | 20:30 |
| brianr | ok, if we think it's not a big deal up front, fine | 20:30 |
| brianr | i just had DB migrations | 20:30 |
| brianr | *hate | 20:30 |
| markwash | brianr: fair | 20:31 |
| ameade | this would certainly be a terrible migration | 20:31 |
| markwash | does there seem to be a need to search for tasks based on their input arguments? | 20:31 |
| markwash | ameade: I dunno, there have been several similar keystone migrations, and I'm not sure they were the end of the world | 20:31 |
| nikhil | we thought it would help searching for tasks markwash | 20:32 |
| brianr | well it's got to do with idempotence, i guess | 20:32 |
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| nikhil | in case of multi-tenant | 20:32 |
| nikhil | or rather multi-user in single tenant | 20:32 |
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| markwash | I guess I don't follow | 20:34 |
| brianr | don't know whether we care about 5 imports of the same image or not, really | 20:34 |
| markwash | it seems like the number of tasks wouldn't be very large in general? since we expire them. . . | 20:34 |
| nikhil | s/image/image data/ | 20:34 |
| markwash | well, okay… we might need to sync up again | 20:35 |
| brianr | well, maybe not, the only reason i'm worried is DB migration | 20:35 |
| nikhil | markwash: yes, actually fei also wanted to | 20:35 |
| markwash | several issues here seem to be pushing back against generalizing imports/exports/clones to generic tasks | 20:35 |
| nikhil | we need to sync up on interface between async and tasks api | 20:36 |
| markwash | but OTOH, taskflow generalized much more to tasks | 20:36 |
| brianr | ok, well better to talk than not talk | 20:36 |
| brianr | so josh had to leave, but what do you think about taskflow? | 20:36 |
| brianr | for image import, i mean | 20:36 |
| markwash | I think it looks very relevant, the question is where is the seam for integration? | 20:36 |
| brianr | exactly | 20:37 |
| nikhil | +1 | 20:37 |
| markwash | we should find a time to meet about that where we can include harlowja | 20:37 |
| brianr | my thought is to do import, see what taskflow delivers in havana, and reconsider when we do export and clone | 20:37 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:37 |
| markwash | because I want to make sure we're incorporating the correct spirit of taksflow | 20:37 |
| nikhil | up for it | 20:37 |
| brianr | we should have more domain knowledge at that point | 20:37 |
| harlowja | who scheduled taskflow weekly meeting and glance one at same time, haha | 20:37 |
| * markwash hides | 20:37 | |
| markwash | okay, there's another bp I wanna talk about quickly | 20:38 |
| markwash | can you guys coordinate another meeting? | 20:38 |
| markwash | I wanna be there. . but my mother in law is coming to town too. . so | 20:38 |
| markwash | :-) | 20:38 |
| markwash | my schedule is a bit uncertain right now | 20:38 |
| markwash | brianr: ^^ | 20:39 |
| brianr | so is tomorrow out of the question? | 20:39 |
| markwash | I can't do morning | 20:39 |
| markwash | I could swing this time, but that probably doesn't work for fei | 20:39 |
| nikhil | fei and i wanted to sync up with some of the folks here | 20:40 |
| nikhil | sometime probably early next week | 20:40 |
| markwash | okay let's just coordinate through email then | 20:40 |
| nikhil | who is doing that? | 20:40 |
| nikhil | i meant | 20:40 |
| brianr | ok, maybe monday at 15:00 again? | 20:40 |
| nikhil | anyone doing that or shoud i? | 20:40 |
| nikhil | brianr: that may be tricky for fei | 20:41 |
| markwash | one of you two should :-) | 20:41 |
| nikhil | but sure if you think :) | 20:41 |
| nikhil | markwash: ok sure | 20:41 |
| markwash | #topic openstack common notifier | 20:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "openstack common notifier (Meeting topic: glance)" | 20:41 | |
| brianr | i meant whatever time we met the other day, it worked for fei | 20:41 |
| markwash | so, this has come back up, again for support of ha rabbit setups | 20:41 |
| markwash | review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/37511/ | 20:41 |
| markwash | and a followup https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43319/ | 20:42 |
| markwash | I'd just like to request more eyes on that | 20:42 |
| markwash | it looks like we can land this in H-3 without being disruptive | 20:42 |
| markwash | but in particular I want some review of the config changes--want to make sure it won't cause problems for deployers | 20:43 |
| jbresnah | there is something about patches that port to oslo that make me afraid to review | 20:43 |
| jbresnah | i will take a look at them soon | 20:43 |
| markwash | I walk into those with some concerns as well | 20:43 |
| jbresnah | isnt flavio core on oslo now? | 20:44 |
| markwash | in light of a recent ML discussion, I think it makes sense to be very careful about oslo-incubated libraries until they're released on their own | 20:44 |
| jbresnah | lets make him do it :-P | 20:44 |
| markwash | basically, it looks like the kind of refactorings that make me really happy don't happen until the oslo libs are released :-) | 20:44 |
| jbresnah | oh right, that brings up that one issue of adding an oslo aphpa to requirements | 20:44 |
| jbresnah | it seems to me that it makes sense to only use them after release | 20:45 |
| markwash | so I just want glance-core to keep in mind that its a totally viable strategy to adopt common code once its refactored and re-released. . we don't always have to be early adopters on oslo-incubator | 20:45 |
| jbresnah | an i really dont like the copy-code-in model | 20:45 |
| markwash | jbresnah: as a default, I agree, but I do think it makes sense to participate early sometimes | 20:45 |
| markwash | and it can save some effort | 20:45 |
| jbresnah | yeah i see that | 20:45 |
| ameade | that code has to get used somewhere before it's a library | 20:45 |
| jbresnah | i am just giving all of my excuses as to why i am bad about oslo reviews | 20:46 |
| markwash | jbresnah: I checked on the oslo alpha dependency in the project meeting this past week | 20:46 |
| ameade | but i agree | 20:46 |
| markwash | and its apparently all good | 20:46 |
| markwash | jbresnah: I was doubly reassured by markmc that its not a problem at all | 20:46 |
| markwash | lets' talk client! | 20:46 |
| markwash | #topic glance-client | 20:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "glance-client (Meeting topic: glance)" | 20:46 | |
| ameade | i bugged one of our deployment guys and he said it shouldn't be an issue, esp since it's already in nova | 20:46 |
| markwash | ameade: cool good to know! | 20:47 |
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| markwash | that fact probably translates to just about everybody else too, if its already in nova | 20:47 |
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| markwash | I'd like to release a new client | 20:48 |
| markwash | 0.11.0 | 20:48 |
| markwash | this will pick up the PBR changes, which might mean packaging changes for some folks working on a fork | 20:48 |
| jbresnah | is create in the CLI for v2 yet? | 20:48 |
| markwash | jbresnah: there is a review for that | 20:49 |
| esheffield | I have a patch for that | 20:49 |
| jbresnah | cool | 20:49 |
| esheffield | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/42741 | 20:49 |
| jbresnah | once that is in i would love to see a release | 20:49 |
| markwash | jbresnah: I agree. . but it might be 0.12.0 | 20:49 |
| markwash | and then shortly after that, I'd love to release 1.0.0 | 20:49 |
| jbresnah | ok | 20:49 |
| ameade | markwash: but 1.0.0 means bugs actually count! | 20:50 |
| markwash | this is something folks need to be thinking about, because its a rare opportunity to delete old stuff we don't want to support | 20:50 |
| jbresnah | if they can be done quick and easy then no sense waiting | 20:50 |
| markwash | ameade: lol | 20:50 |
| nikhil | markwash: the packaging chanegs might not affect us (not 100% on this though) | 20:50 |
| jbresnah | heh ameade | 20:50 |
| markwash | so, things I know to be on the chopping block for 1.0.0 compatibility breaking | 20:50 |
| jbresnah | markwash: can we get ride of everything deprecated then? | 20:50 |
| markwash | jbresnah: +1 | 20:50 |
| jbresnah | nice | 20:50 |
| markwash | also, the legacy shell | 20:50 |
| ameade | lets get rid of v1 | 20:50 |
| ameade | lol | 20:50 |
| jbresnah | heh | 20:50 |
| iccha | it ll be good to get eyes on esheffield 's patch | 20:51 |
| iccha | esp with the way its dealing with schemas | 20:51 |
| markwash | iccha: I think this is the right opportunity to change the default # of results per list | 20:51 |
| jbresnah | iccha: I will do that for sure | 20:51 |
| jbresnah | iccha: i need to make the client reviews part of my day also | 20:51 |
| esheffield | the whole time I've been working on it I kept seeing stuff I wanted to delete ;-) | 20:51 |
| nikhil | markwash: not sure what you mean | 20:51 |
| markwash | nikhil: hmm. about what exactly? | 20:52 |
| nikhil | default # results for list? | 20:52 |
| nikhil | hope that does not have to do with page size | 20:52 |
| jbresnah | i have to run a bit early | 20:52 |
| ameade | that patch taht was reverted right? | 20:52 |
| markwash | nikhil: earlier, there was a change in glanceclient to go from 20 to 100 on the page size | 20:52 |
| nikhil | yes | 20:52 |
| markwash | and I thought that change would break backwards compatibliity, so I pulled it from the 0.10.0 release | 20:52 |
| nikhil | and we've a new patch up in nova | 20:52 |
| markwash | okay cool | 20:53 |
| nikhil | which will send it as a param to glance client | 20:53 |
| markwash | so maybe you're not worried about this anymore. . fine by me :-) | 20:53 |
| iccha | but still i think it ll be good to up the limit anyways | 20:53 |
| nikhil | markwash: yes, saw your ping on the channel and we noted it. thanks! | 20:53 |
| nikhil | i thought it broke stuff for people | 20:53 |
| nikhil | if the release help then it's okay | 20:54 |
| markwash | again, so the takeaway is just "Think about the things you want to see removed from glanceclient, because we get the chance to break (some) backwards compatibiity soon!" | 20:54 |
| markwash | to be clear, we need to keep the basic interfaces of the v1 and v2 client in place | 20:54 |
| ameade | darn | 20:55 |
| markwash | :-) | 20:55 |
| markwash | #topic open discussion | 20:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: glance)" | 20:55 | |
| markwash | important bugs | 20:55 |
| markwash | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40619/ | 20:55 |
| markwash | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/42896/ | 20:56 |
| markwash | there might be others, but those are the high importance ones I see target to H-3 | 20:56 |
| ameade | 3.5 pages on glance + glanceclient reviews....and this is esp my bad for not reviewing much lately | 20:56 |
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| markwash | its my bad as well | 20:57 |
| markwash | but we have to consider stability important at this later stage | 20:57 |
| nikhil | we might get help from some ghosts | 20:57 |
| nikhil | think ameade knows what i mean | 20:57 |
| markwash | so if a review comes in with a feature change, at this point it might make sense to -2 defer to Icehouse | 20:58 |
| markwash | okay thanks everybody | 20:58 |
| markwash | #endmeeting | 20:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings (alternate)" | 20:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 22 20:58:57 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2013/glance.2013-08-22-20.02.html | 20:59 |
| zhiyan | Poor fellow | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2013/glance.2013-08-22-20.02.txt | 20:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2013/glance.2013-08-22-20.02.log.html | 20:59 |
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