Tuesday, 2013-06-11

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imsplitbitbam20:31
imsplitbitlets do this20:31
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imsplitbit5 minute rule?20:34
amytronis this on?20:35
jcruEd says that the meeting is at 420:37
imsplitbitoh20:37
jcruyeah I thought it was now because of my outlook calendar20:37
imsplitbitwell I spose I need to fix the calendar event I have that says it's at 33o20:38
grapexjcru: My bad...20:38
imsplitbit33020:38
jcrugrapex: you done goofed up!20:38
grapexlooks ike we have to keep this because of time conflicts with other OS meetings.20:38
grapexjcru: You say that like it's noteworthy!20:38
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imsplitbitgrapex: you send out an updated meeting?20:41
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grapeximsplitbit: Yes20:42
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grapexAlthough Outlook is rebuilding one of it's many internal databases so you'll get it by next Tuesday.20:42
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grapexbrb20:43
imsplitbitgrapex: thx20:44
cp16nethave we moved the meeting yet?20:44
imsplitbitno20:45
datsun180bi'm considering just idling here all day and highlighting on the bot's message about beginning the meeting20:45
imsplitbitapparently the calendar event was for the one 330 meeting we had20:45
imsplitbitbut it's still 420:45
imsplitbitand I don't think hub_cap send out a doodle to pick a new time20:46
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datsun180bi think he's away at a convention today anyway20:47
imsplitbityeah he is20:47
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cp16netyeah20:48
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vipulhey y'all21:01
datsun180bhowdy21:02
djohnstonehiya21:02
vipulanyone want to run it?21:02
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datsun180bno dibs21:02
vipul:P21:02
datsun180baww fine, let me go find the agenda21:03
cp16nethere o/21:03
datsun180bsomeone tell the bot to do the thing, please21:03
grapexo/21:03
vipul#startmeeting Trove / Reddwarf21:03
openstackMeeting started Tue Jun 11 21:03:56 2013 UTC.  The chair is vipul. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:03
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:03
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Trove / Reddwarf)"21:03
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'trove___reddwarf'21:04
datsun180bthanks21:04
djohnstoneo/21:04
vipul#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/reddwarf/2013/reddwarf.2013-06-04-21.04.html21:04
imsplitbito/21:04
SlickNiko/21:04
datsun180bhokay, so let's look at that agenda21:04
datsun180bo/21:04
datsun180bfirst up, action items?21:04
vipul\o/21:04
vipuloh crap i gotta set the topic21:04
vipul#topic Action Items21:04
*** openstack changes topic to "Action Items (Meeting topic: Trove / Reddwarf)"21:05
datsun180besmute work with SlickNik to figure out the archiving of the reddwarf logs for rdjenkins jobs.21:05
datsun180bthat's 1.21:05
SlickNikyeah.21:05
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cp16netany progress?21:05
SlickNikesmute and I got started on this.21:05
esmutei need to talk to clarkb to ask how openstack jenkins talk to the log server.21:06
esmutei have configure a log server .21:06
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SlickNikWe still need to figure out a good way to copy logs from the _guestagent_ to the server as well.21:07
clarkbesmute: happy to talk over in #openstack-infra whenever21:07
esmutebut i havent worked out on the communication (how jenkins gets the logs to the server)21:07
esmutethanks clarkb. Ill just probably walk to you and talk21:07
cp16netthats convenient21:07
cp16net:)21:07
SlickNikSo let's action this one again since there's still more work to be done here.21:08
SlickNik#action esmute/SlickNik to figure out the archiving of the reddwarf logs for rdjenkins jobs.21:08
datsun180bLooks like that was all the actions from last week.21:08
SlickNikthanks for leading the charge on this one esmute!21:08
vipulthere is one from hub_cap21:08
vipulhttp://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/reddwarf/2013/reddwarf.2013-06-04-21.04.html21:08
vipulabout meeting times21:09
cp16nethub_cap is away today and tomorrow21:09
datsun180boh, i see that21:09
grapexAnyone know if hub_cap did his doodle duty?21:09
cp16netits at a conf21:09
cp16neti dont think so21:09
SlickNikoh yeah, he was mentioning Cassandra conf.21:09
cp16netunless i have been heads down adn missed it21:09
datsun180bdidn't see anything in eavesdrop about an actual link21:09
cp16netwhich is possible21:09
vipul#action hub_cap to create a doodle for meeting times21:10
SlickNikLet's re-action it and move on.21:10
datsun180boh i was about to steal that21:10
SlickNikcool, thanks vipul.21:10
vipulyou want the action datsun180b?21:10
datsun180bsince i'm here, i'll take it21:10
datsun180bi can even do it now and #link it21:10
vipul#action datsun180b to take meeting times instead of ^21:11
cp16netinstead of top hat?21:11
cp16netlol21:11
datsun180bdon't call the meeting until i have a #link for you, i'll add an action for us all to check in21:11
vipulit will look better in the meeting notes21:12
vipultrust me :)21:12
SlickNikYes, it will. :)21:12
cp16netoh i see what you mean21:12
vipuldatsun180b: you want me to change the topic?21:13
datsun180bplease do, i don't think i can anyway21:13
SlickNikI guess, that's all for action items.21:13
datsun180bsince you fired it up21:13
vipul#topic Next Meeting time21:13
*** openstack changes topic to "Next Meeting time (Meeting topic: Trove / Reddwarf)"21:13
vipulAgenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/RedDwarfMeeting#Agenda_for_the_next_meeting21:13
vipuldo we wanna discuss anything more about this?21:14
vipuli think it's carry-ver21:14
vipulover21:14
SlickNikyup.21:14
grapexvipul: I think we'd like the move the time forward a bit but it looks like it conflicts with the other OS meetings21:14
SlickNikI think we need the doodle so we can vote on what times are most convenient for each of us.21:14
SlickNikAnd datsun180b is on that.21:14
vipuldatsun180b: when you create that doodle, look at the other meetings that hub_cap has to be on21:15
SlickNikyes grapex: lots of other OS meetings today (TC / infra)21:15
datsun180bHere I thought it was an opt-in poll21:15
datsun180bSo it's up to each of us to vote and let the tool intersect all of the votes21:16
datsun180bI'll have something for us all soon21:16
vipuldatsun180b: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings for possible conflicts21:16
SlickNikdatsun180b: that's okay take your time. Link doesn't have to be available during this meeting.21:16
vipul#topic API Validation Update21:17
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datsun180bSounds good, I'll have an answer by next week, then21:17
SlickNikdatsun180b: You can send it out at #openstack-trove when it's ready.21:17
vipul#topic API Validation update21:17
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vipulumm21:17
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SlickNikjuice was working on this one…?21:18
vipuljuice21:19
vipulok we'll move on?21:19
juicesorry forgot it was that time21:19
juicestill in progress21:19
vipulk21:20
juicewell just getting to the bulk of it today21:20
juicestuffing it in Resources validation as discussed with hub_cap last week21:20
juicewhere is hub_cap?21:20
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vipulhe be out21:20
SlickNikhe's out for a couple of days (Cassandra conf, I think)21:20
juiceah yes - well put vipul21:20
juiceyou'd make him proud21:21
SlickNikheh21:21
vipul:D21:21
juicewith use of street vernacular21:21
vipul#topic Encrypted Backups21:21
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vipulsorry datsun180b i was supposed to let you run this21:21
datsun180bit's okay, i was shaky on the syntax21:21
datsun180bi've got it for next time21:22
vipulk, next one is all yours21:22
vipulso demorris had some questions about this patch21:22
datsun180boh you're all going to love this next part where i use doodle to spam you21:22
vipulgrapex have you had a chance to convene with him?21:22
grapexvipul: No, not enough to remember his specific points21:23
vipulwell we got a couple of +2's already on it.. but morris was concerned about using a shared key across tenants21:23
vipulI think the thnking is that this is a early (phase1) implementation21:23
vipuland we'd want to do it the right way, probably with assymetric encryption later21:24
SlickNikAnd that we definitely need to iterate and improve on this.21:24
vipulso wanted to nudge it along if Morris is cool wit it21:24
imsplitbityeah he doesn't like phases, phase1 = production done21:24
grapexvipul: Could we use the type field to iterate?21:24
vipultype field?21:25
robertmyerswhy can't this just be done with xtrabackup?21:25
SlickNikgrapex: do you mean in the blueprint? not sure I understand21:25
grapeximsplitbit: Lol. I think part of it is things end up getting deployed and then it becomes an operations issue if migrations are needed21:25
vipulrobertmyers: not supported yet in xtrabackup21:25
robertmyersit supports encryption?21:25
vipulit does in 2.121:25
imsplitbityeah I get it21:25
vipulwhich is beta21:25
imsplitbitI raised questions too about the common key21:25
SlickNikrobertmyers: it does but it's beta and it's busted with streaming.21:25
imsplitbitbut theres alot behind doing that21:25
grapexSlickNik: I guess what I'm saying is, if we use the type field if a shared key is used across tenants and we want to fix it later we should be able to iterate while offering backwards compatability, right?21:26
imsplitbitthe downside here is letting this is as is means if anyone is using this in production and we change it to user specified we need to be able to provide a way to get things back out using the old way21:26
imsplitbitbackwards compat is gonna be tricky21:26
vipulyea that could potentially be mitigated by adding key-type (or whatever) when per-tenant key is implemented21:27
datsun180bquick question: are we married to Wednesday meetings, or is that also up for grabs?21:28
grapeximsplitbit: In a perfect world, we'd have a CI test for each iteration if we broke backwards compatability. This is assuming we care enough about an iteration of an implementation to add CI tests for it alone and BC21:28
imsplitbitgrapex: agreed21:28
SlickNikgrapex: yeah, I see what you mean.21:28
vipuldatsun180b: you mean tuesday meetings21:29
datsun180byes, yes i do21:29
SlickNikgrapex: right now the only thing indicating this is the manifest for the backup.21:29
vipuldatsun180b: i think it's up for grabs21:29
imsplitbitdatsun180b lives in the future21:29
grapexSo vipul SlickNik: when you say encrypted backups are iteration 1, can I ask if you're planning on deploying them w/ the shared key? In my mind the moment they're deployed somewhere is when it would be fairly nice if we could test that iteration in CI21:29
datsun180bjust means more checkmarks to add to this form!21:29
SlickNikmakes sense to extend the type field to mark it as encrypted.21:29
vipulgrapex: yes we plan to deploy them...21:30
vipulgrapex: i beleive the current backup/restore tests test this today21:30
grapexvipul: Ok- really wish Morris was here. ;)21:30
vipulgrapex: So it would be a matter of making sure that the next iteration there was a test to check backward compatibility21:31
SlickNikgrapex: do you mean have tests in CI to test with and without encryption? vipul: right now CI tests only 1 backup and restore….21:31
grapexvipul: Yeah, then even if we later decide to change it we can at least still get the old backups out21:31
grapexSlickNik: Yeah, I said "perfect world"... I don't know if it would be worth that.21:31
grapexBut if the type field exists you could at least run tests like that internally if you wanted.21:32
grapexBtw, I have a related thing I want to bring up about deleting backups where the type field may come in handy as well21:32
vipulgrapex, SlickNik are we talking about extending the backup_type to indicate a new type called 'shared-key-encrypted-xtrabackup' or something?21:33
SlickNikvipul: I think that's the suggestion. Then the decryption method for the restore can be chosen based on the type as well.21:34
robertmyerswe should at least set the type to xtrabackup_v121:34
vipulso there are a couple of other things you could use.. swift metadata, file extension21:35
robertmyerscause we know there will be more21:35
vipulrobertmyers: is the v1 necessary? assuming next rev of xtrabackup can restore older version backup?21:37
SlickNikvipul / grapex: we currently set the file manifest for the encrypted backups to be different (i.e. xbstream.gz.enc instead of xbstream.gz)21:37
grapexSlickNik: That's probably fine then - you wouldn't be able to show that when listing backups but it's a fairly tiny difference to a user.21:38
robertmyersvipul: I guess, I'm mainly referring to it as the first iteration of backups21:38
robertmyersbut we could use metadata21:38
robertmyerswe also need to use metadata when deleting the file21:38
robertmyerswe should use the manifest prefix to construct the segment files21:39
vipulrobertmyers: yea seems like features need to be versioned as much as the api :)21:39
robertmyersand then delete them21:39
vipulok.. grapex I leave it to you to get Morris' opinion on this21:40
SlickNik robertmyers: isn't that what we're doing?21:40
SlickNikfor the delete case.21:41
robertmyersno the code is manually doing it21:41
grapexvipul: Will do.21:41
robertmyerswhich is breaking us becuase we are using the same containers21:41
robertmyersaren't21:41
robertmyersSlickNik: https://github.com/stackforge/reddwarf/blob/master/reddwarf/taskmanager/models.py#L53621:42
SlickNikah robertmyers: I just looked at the code and see what you are saying. Sorry, kagan wrote that delete piece and I wasn't aware.21:43
robertmyersI'll submit a patch to fix it21:43
vipulis that bugged? robertmyers21:43
vipulk21:43
grapexvipul: it's not bugged but it isn't what we expected.21:44
robertmyers#action robertmyers add bug for backup deletion21:44
robertmyersthen fix21:44
vipulyea the manifest should've been used21:44
SlickNikthanks robertmyers!21:44
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vipul#topic Open Discussion21:45
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datsun180b#link http://doodle.com/fvpxvyxhmc69w6s921:45
vipulwoah that was fast21:45
datsun180b#action EVERYONE fill that in.21:45
grapexdatsun180b: Great work!21:45
datsun180bAll I did was click buttons21:46
grapexSo, I'd like to start off the open discussion with a bit of hypocrisy21:46
vipul:)21:46
SlickNikalways good.21:46
grapexMonths back vipul you suggested moving the guest into it's own repo21:46
grapexAnd I was totally against it21:46
vipulyea remember talking about that21:46
SlickNikyes!21:46
grapexHowever, it's becoming hard to see what's a Reddwarf server change vs a guest change21:46
robertmyers+121:47
grapexI also feel like there's a lot of code for config values and stuff that's only guest related which is a burden to the normal Trove code21:47
SlickNik+++21:47
grapexSo21:47
grapexmaybe we could put it in it's own repo21:47
SlickNikIt will take a bit to untangle.21:47
grapexor, we could put it into it's own directory in the reddwarf one21:47
vipulSo the only thing is.. there is shared code21:47
datsun180b(inc x)21:47
SlickNikBut I think it's totally worth it.21:47
vipulall of the reddwarf/common stuff21:47
grapexso it at least has the structure of an independent project21:48
vipulif we can make it just openstack/common then makes that easier21:48
vipulthe other thing is.. what happens when patches to separate projects dpened on one anoter21:48
vipulwe've seen this across reddwarf-cli and reddwarf21:48
grapexI personally would prefer the later so when work gets done it's easier to merge it in at once21:48
* datsun180b pleads the fifth21:48
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robertmyersI also makes sense if we start supporting other clients21:49
grapexKeep it in the repo, but just in an independent location, like ./guest/setup.py, /guest/trove-guest/*.*21:49
grapex(I guess that would be /guest/troveguest/*.*)21:49
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grapex(or whatever we want to name it / put it)21:50
vipulyea that could work21:50
vipulhopefully we can get to a point where guest could be tested independently of the server-side components21:50
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vipulalso packaged independently :)21:51
SlickNik+++ to packaged independently.21:51
grapexvipul: Yes. As for packaging, you may want to talk to the CI group in case packaging it if it lives in another repo is impossible21:51
vipulOk will do i think it might be easier if it lived in a separate repo21:52
SlickNikWe can't really get all the goodness of endpoints/stevedore/plugins unless we can package it separately.21:53
vipuli wonder how nova packages the different components (if they do)21:54
SlickNikNot sure; will look into that.21:54
datsun180bWe shouldn't just do it their because it's the way they do it, though21:55
SlickNikagreed datsun180b: it's good to see different ways of doing it and enumerate our options, though :)21:55
robertmyersI would imagine for heat integration a separate package would be very helpful too21:55
grapexvipul: Very good question21:56
datsun180bright21:56
grapexCanonically is there just one big package for all the nova daemons?21:56
vipulit might be.. not sure21:56
grapexI think it's not the debian packages so much as the Python ones.21:56
grapexI think the CI team doesn't want to deal with setup.py's being anywhere but in the root of a repo21:56
vipulOk we should take a look at other projects and bring this topic up again.. i think it is still something we should look into doing21:58
imsplitbitoh theres some craziness with packages21:58
grapexvipul: The closest comparison might be the old guest agent in Heat21:58
grapexWhich I think is going away21:58
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SlickNikdef. we need to do some research here and talk about it again next meeting.21:59
grapexI forget the name of it but they have one. It's the closest analog to what we're doing so maybe they already figured it out.21:59
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datsun180bsounds worthy of an action21:59
imsplitbitclient packages are fairly straight forward but daemon packages are broken out pretty heavily.21:59
vipulimsplitbit: in pypi?22:00
imsplitbitvipul: no I was speaking of debian/ubuntu packaging sorry22:00
vipulah ok22:00
vipul#action look into Heat Agent for packaging / repository organization22:01
vipulanyone have anything else they'd like to bring up?22:02
datsun180bI think leaving the doodle poll open for a week sounds right22:02
datsun180bI'll close it before next week's meeting22:02
imsplitbitvipul: replication22:02
SlickNikdatsun180b: sounds good22:02
imsplitbitthe docs are up for the latest ideas we've had22:02
imsplitbitinput would be greatly appreciated22:02
imsplitbit#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Reddwarf-MySQL-Replication-and-Clustering-Concepts#Ideas_for_API22:03
SlickNikimsplitbit: thanks for the link.22:03
vipulimsplitbit: Yep, have looked quickly over it.  Sorry haven't had enough time to digest it yet22:03
vipulI will try to get some feedback this week22:03
imsplitbitit's a little more than "noodling" at this point :)22:03
vipulDo you have decisions on which technologies the implementation will be using?22:04
vipulor are we trying to get agreement on API first22:04
imsplitbitno this is just api22:04
SlickNiksame here imsplitbit. Haven't had a chance to look at it in any detail whatsoever.22:04
imsplitbitif we can get the api ideas solid I can put them in the blueprint and we can start writing some code22:05
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vipul#action Vipul and SlickNik (and others) to provide feedback on Replication API22:05
vipulexpect something from us before the next meeting22:06
SlickNikWas just skimming. This is good stuff. Thanks imsplitbit!22:06
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vipulanother topic.. not sure anyone else is noticing this, but our API gives back TMI in failure responses22:07
vipuli'm looking into it now, but if someone knows what the issue is.. please ping me :)22:07
imsplitbitis there such a thing as TMI in failures?22:07
imsplitbit:)22:07
grapeximsplitbit: There is when it's on accident. :p22:07
imsplitbitI getcha22:07
robertmyers500 server error22:08
imsplitbitlol22:08
vipulYes :) like returning the IP of the mysql server22:08
imsplitbitoh so not by design22:08
imsplitbitgotcha22:08
grapexhttp://globalnerdy.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/bug_vs_feature.gif22:08
grapexvipul: But Vipul, think of how helpful this is to users!22:08
imsplitbitomg thats awesome grapex22:09
grapexWhy they may even be able to tell Operators which flags were misconfigured.22:09
vipultotally!22:09
imsplitbitlmao22:09
SlickNiklol@grapex22:09
imsplitbitwe're over 9 minutes22:09
vipulok i'm done22:09
vipulanyone have anything else?22:09
SlickNikNo, I'm good as well22:09
grapexGreat meeting guys22:10
* imsplitbit waves22:10
vipulyup thanks for the discussions22:10
vipultil next time22:10
imsplitbitgood stuff, like where you're head is at22:10
imsplitbitbai22:10
vipul#endmeeting22:10
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