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| jokke_ | Courtesy meeting reminder on #openstack-meeting-4: flwang1, jokke_, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k, rosmaita, GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishekk, dshakhray, wxy, kairat, alex_bash, smcginnis, arcolife, Brin, Roamer` | 14:00 |
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| jokke_ | #startmeeting glance | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 10 14:00:55 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jokke_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
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| jokke_ | #topic roll-call | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll-call (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:01 | |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:01 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 14:01 |
| McClymontS | GM/Afternoon all o/ | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 14:01 |
| jokke_ | lets wait for a min if Abhishek is around, he had topic there for the meeting | 14:02 |
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| rosmaita | smcginnis: while you are waiting, please have a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/540089/ | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | :) | 14:03 |
| abhishekk | o/ | 14:03 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: \o | 14:03 |
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| jokke_ | ok lets get started, looks like we have crew together | 14:03 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, o/, I have removed that :D | 14:03 |
| smcginnis | rosmaita: On it. ;) | 14:03 |
| jokke_ | #topic updates | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "updates (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:03 | |
| jokke_ | So summit is closing fast, which means that Milestone 2 and with that spec freeze are closing fast too | 14:04 |
| jokke_ | less than month to go | 14:04 |
| jokke_ | lets get them reviews in and hopefully our gate is now after the latest test fixes stable enough that we can start getting those features worked and merged we have on our plate | 14:05 |
| abhishekk | thanks to brian for that | 14:06 |
| jokke_ | indeed | 14:06 |
| * rosmaita blushes | 14:06 | |
| jokke_ | so please prioritize your time to get the features worked unless something critical pops up | 14:06 |
| jokke_ | I do not want to have majority of the stuff coming in on the FF week, which is not that far away anymore | 14:07 |
| jokke_ | Then another thing that mugsie kindly flagged, there was discussion around the PY3 migration that community would not need to support the eventlet model of deployments with PY3 ... well we're at least in need of that so lets keep eye on the discussion and chip in | 14:08 |
| abhishekk | ok | 14:09 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: do we have any updates around releases? | 14:09 |
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| rosmaita | no, basically said it all last week | 14:10 |
| jokke_ | yeah, thought so | 14:10 |
| jokke_ | #topic Glance functional test changes | 14:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Glance functional test changes (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:10 | |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: stage is yours | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | thanks ... just want to point out some changes in how the tests are run | 14:10 |
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| rosmaita | #link https://github.com/openstack/glance/blob/master/tox.ini#L38-L53 | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | that's the relevant part of our current tox.ini in glance | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | so what we're doing now is first running the "regular" functional tests | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | and then running the ones that must be run sequentially | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | so, the output will look slightly different | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | here's an example | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | #link http://logs.openstack.org/79/566879/2/check/openstack-tox-functional/a6bee54/ | 14:12 |
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| rosmaita | first, if you open that link, click on "testr_results.html.gz" | 14:13 |
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| rosmaita | all the test results, both concurrent and serial, are combined into that report | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | (look for glance.tests.functional.serial aobut halfway down the page) | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | so that's cool | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | if you look at the job-output.txt.gz it's a bit different | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | if you scroll up from the bottom, you'll see the 9 serial tests passing | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | you have to keep scrolling up to get the failure from the concurrent test | 14:15 |
| abhishekk | yes, two sets of results | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | right | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | and that's what you should see running locally | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | so that's the only difference, really | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | just want everyone to be aware | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | i think that's it ... any questions? | 14:16 |
| jokke_ | So the DL;DR is that you might not find the failure anymore at the bottom of the job-output due to the fact that the functinal tests are split to 2 different runs | 14:16 |
| abhishekk | just one, instead of having a file can we use regex in the tox? | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | abhishekk i don't think so | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | there's a blacklist-regex option | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | but not for the whitelist | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | not sure why | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | i think the file is the preferred method | 14:18 |
| abhishekk | because in future if we want to add more sequential tests then we need to add another file and it will also increase the result set | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | tbh, I'd prefer not ... regexp is really by no means human readable ... characters are pretty cheap ;) | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | the blacklist-regex is mainly for testing your regex | 14:18 |
| smcginnis | Looks like a good approach for this. We can be explicit by editing the serial-functests.txt file. | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | abhishekk won't need a new file | 14:18 |
| abhishekk | or we can add in the same file | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: no, we just add those to the serial tests file | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | just one regexp per line | 14:18 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, got it, I was reading that file as scrubber-functests.txt :( | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | ah, ok | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | i tried to be proactive in naming :) | 14:19 |
| jokke_ | :) | 14:19 |
| abhishekk | :D | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | btw, i'm not sure all those scrubber tests need to be run sequentially | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | but i didn't want to take the time to figure out which ones | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | that's fine | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | refactoring opportunity for anyone with too much time on their hands | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | the situation is better than it was and we have logical gate atm. | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | agreed | 14:20 |
| abhishekk | +2 | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | ok, anything else about this topic? | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | sort of related, i have one more patch up related to this | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | (sorry couldn't find link) | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/566947/ | 14:22 |
| abhishekk | yeah, that is a good change | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | i have a gut feeling that some of the subunit parser problem was from hammering the same test with a bunch of the same assertions, but i have no data | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | anyway, that change simplifies things a bit | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | but it will also only allow retries for one paraticular proiblem, not any assertion failure | 14:24 |
| jokke_ | I saw that in the list but honestly haven't even looked at it yet | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | ok, just so you're aware of it | 14:24 |
| jokke_ | thnx | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | abhishekk and wxy like it! | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | ok, that's it from me on this topic | 14:25 |
| jokke_ | Any more questions anyone? | 14:25 |
| abhishekk | no | 14:25 |
| jokke_ | going once | 14:25 |
| smcginnis | No, looks good on first quick pass. | 14:25 |
| jokke_ | twice | 14:25 |
| jokke_ | sold | 14:25 |
| McClymontS | Im good | 14:25 |
| jokke_ | #topic Open Discussion | 14:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:26 | |
| jokke_ | so I think abhishekk wanted to highlight the bug meeting | 14:26 |
| jokke_ | or was that rosmaita | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | that was me | 14:26 |
| jokke_ | we have plenty of time | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | just wanted to remind people, since it's every other week | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | so, for anyone reading through the meeting log, bug squad meeting at 1000 utc monday | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Glance_Bug_Squad_Meeting | 14:27 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, we can change time if it's too early for you | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | no, it works for me | 14:28 |
| McClymontS | I am also EDT | 14:28 |
| McClymontS | rosmaita is stronger than I | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | :) | 14:28 |
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| abhishekk | great :D | 14:28 |
| McClymontS | I'll be rooting for you guys from my slumber | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | what i think we should do is let people tell us if the time is no good | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | and then we can re-negotiate | 14:29 |
| abhishekk | sounds good | 14:29 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, I have found TODO on your name, https://github.com/openstack/glance/blob/master/glance/tests/functional/__init__.py#L79 | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | but i think since the weekly glance meeting is not so convenient for APAC people, this is a good compromise | 14:29 |
| abhishekk | do we intend to change that?? | 14:29 |
| jokke_ | sounds good. abhishekk do you want to talk about the 'glance-direct' situation to have clarification for that? I know I was not even shortworded on the bug and patch as I saw the topic in he meeting agenda | 14:30 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, I already know that it gonna be rejected :D | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | jokke_ when is emable_image_import being removed? | 14:31 |
| abhishekk | but for the other peoples to know, I had reported a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1770325 | 14:31 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1770325 in Glance "Remove glance-direct from enabled_import_methods config option" [Undecided,Invalid] - Assigned to Abhishek Kekane (abhishek-kekane) | 14:31 |
| abhishekk | What I was thinking is that most of the glance setup will have HA enabled and as glance-direct is allowed it might be problematic to use that without shared storage | 14:32 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: I've been holding off the patch for summit forum sessions, wanna hear from operators before rather than after merging if they are really really against it | 14:32 |
| McClymontS | Good call jokke_ | 14:32 |
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| rosmaita | abhishekk i guess the shared storage isn't a problem for web-download because it's being handled by a single task? | 14:33 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: that's correct | 14:33 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, yes | 14:33 |
| jokke_ | it's rather single request so same node handles it every time | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | ok | 14:33 |
| abhishekk | should document it somewhere? | 14:33 |
| jokke_ | I think it is | 14:34 |
| abhishekk | s/should/should we? | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | we should probably review the doc to see | 14:34 |
| jokke_ | not sure if it was in the config help texts, release notes, admin guide, os some of the other about dozen logical places | 14:34 |
| abhishekk | then no worries, but I haven't found that, may be have a look once again | 14:34 |
| jokke_ | s/os/or/ | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | well, if we have extra time today, http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/glance/tree/doc/source/admin/interoperable-image-import.rst | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | i think maybe it's in release notes, maybe not the admin doc | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | and we know no one reads release notes :P | 14:35 |
| abhishekk | :D | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | actually, see line 63-65 in that doc | 14:36 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: only thing that is our problem about it, is that we need to keep closing those invalid bugs ;P | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | maybe we could make them bold or italic | 14:36 |
| jokke_ | no-one reads the other docs either :D | 14:36 |
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| rosmaita | :) | 14:36 |
| McClymontS | Ever | 14:37 |
| abhishekk | it is documented :D | 14:37 |
| jokke_ | like was proven when this request came up as TripleO had not handled the fact that those methods are enabled by default and the shared FS is needed for HA ;P | 14:37 |
| abhishekk | :D | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | oops | 14:38 |
| jokke_ | so that gives us a bridge for my next result of brainstorming | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | maybe we need new glance t-shirts: Glance -- READ THE RELEASE NOTES | 14:39 |
| jokke_ | should we finally consider making glance cluster aware? | 14:39 |
| McClymontS | rosmaita that was in my email signature for a while | 14:39 |
| McClymontS | minus the Glance -- part | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | :) | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | jokke_ how do you mean? | 14:40 |
| abhishekk | yes we need t-shirts ;P | 14:40 |
| jokke_ | what I mean is, if we changed the import call handling to be message sent to message queue with the request serialized as payload we could get the node picking the import up that has the data, rather than forcing everyone going for shared filesystem and all the quirkyness of that | 14:41 |
| smcginnis | jokke_: Are you thinking something like this: https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/cinder-specs/specs/mitaka/cinder-volume-active-active-support.html | 14:41 |
| smcginnis | jokke_: A little different I guess. | 14:41 |
| jokke_ | I think we have loads of things in glance that could be improved with such | 14:42 |
| rosmaita | on previous topic, also see lines 611-612 in http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/glance/tree/etc/glance-api.conf | 14:42 |
| jokke_ | like image-cache | 14:42 |
| jokke_ | when we could actually provide usable precaching | 14:42 |
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| jokke_ | it would not be difficult to implement and we could move stuff that really benefits of it gradually when those things pops up | 14:44 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, i guess we should have that for S | 14:44 |
| jokke_ | that would also provide us a way to finally provide actual worker nodes for the tasks if we wanted to | 14:44 |
| McClymontS | I think next cycle makes sense probably right? | 14:44 |
| abhishekk | ++ | 14:44 |
| jokke_ | definitely not for Rocky | 14:45 |
| McClymontS | Also a huge +1 on worker nodes | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | this is just idea I wanted to probe your feelings about now when you're all here | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | if you think it's something we could consider, I could roll it vial operators in the summit and start writing the spec for next cycle | 14:46 |
| abhishekk | we need another service i guess which will run on all the nodes? | 14:47 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: nope, we can have the API listening the queue | 14:47 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, ok | 14:47 |
| jokke_ | I rather not have yet another service just when we're getting rid of registry | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | ++ | 14:47 |
| abhishekk | :D | 14:47 |
| jokke_ | message queues are brilliant for this kind of communication | 14:48 |
| abhishekk | agree | 14:48 |
| jokke_ | and for the worker nodes, they can be for example fenced off with firewall just having access to the message queue, database and storage | 14:49 |
| jokke_ | doesn't matter if they ever receive a single api call | 14:49 |
| McClymontS | I like that a lot from the security perspective too jokke_ | 14:49 |
| jokke_ | so we would not need to refactor the whole shebang to make this happen | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | there seem to be a lot of pluses to this idea | 14:50 |
| abhishekk | exactly | 14:50 |
| McClymontS | I'd definitely like to be involved in reviewing/writing any parts of that spec that make sense | 14:51 |
| jokke_ | cool, I'll add it to my list for the summit and start looking into this | 14:51 |
| jokke_ | as I haven't seen yet anyone screaming "NOOOO" unless smcginnis is banging head against the wall instead of typing :P | 14:52 |
| abhishekk | lol | 14:52 |
| smcginnis | jokke_: Hah, no, it sounds like a good plan to me. :) | 14:52 |
| abhishekk | he might be thinking of implementation :D | 14:52 |
| jokke_ | ok, expect hearing more during/after the summit then! :) | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | we can whiteboard it there and do some screaming | 14:53 |
| jokke_ | yup | 14:53 |
| abhishekk | :D | 14:53 |
| McClymontS | Awesome | 14:53 |
| jokke_ | ok, 7min anything else? | 14:53 |
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| abhishekk | nope, others please have a look on multi-store specs (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/562467/) | 14:54 |
| rosmaita | got a dumb patch up for glance_store docs if anyone wants to look: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/565830/ | 14:54 |
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| rosmaita | abhishekk left a comment there for you | 14:54 |
| McClymontS | I am good to go, will take a look | 14:55 |
| jokke_ | ohh | 14:55 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, thank you, added a reply inline | 14:55 |
| jokke_ | McClymontS: the multihash moving at all? | 14:55 |
| rosmaita | cool, i will finish reading through the api this afternoon | 14:55 |
| rosmaita | i think the multihash is moving at the speed of rosmaita | 14:55 |
| McClymontS | I know rosmaita had said he was looking at some stuff | 14:55 |
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| McClymontS | My time has been very limited lately unfortunately | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | now that the functional tests are stable for a while, i will concentrate on multihash | 14:56 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, McClymontS thank you | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | need to get McClymontS some feedback | 14:56 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, sure thing | 14:57 |
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| jokke_ | rosmaita: McClymontS: good to know it's still in minds. Lets try to give it some love finally | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | ok | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | abhishekk to answer your question a while back about the TODO ... | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | it needs to wait until jokke_ gives the ok to remove the enable_image_import option | 14:57 |
| abhishekk | (between I almost have a code ready, except jokke_ wants new way for download) | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | but i guess saying Queens there was a bit premature | 14:58 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, ok | 14:58 |
| smcginnis | How are we on the series goals? I think both are either done or don't affect us? Not sure on all repos though. | 14:58 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: not the first gun we've jumped on :D | 14:58 |
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| abhishekk | rosmaita, exactly, or we should change it to True? | 14:58 |
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| rosmaita | i think it did get changed to True | 14:58 |
| jokke_ | smcginnis: correct, we are good | 14:59 |
| smcginnis | jokke_: Excellent! | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | abhishekk: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/glance/tree/etc/glance-api.conf#n645 | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | ok, time; Thanks all! | 14:59 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, it's still false in the tests | 14:59 |
| smcginnis | Thanks! | 14:59 |
| abhishekk | thank you all | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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