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| Jeffrey4l | #startmeeting kolla | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 28 16:00:18 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Jeffrey4l. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 16:00 |
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| Jeffrey4l | #topic Roll-call | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll-call (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:00 | |
| caoyuan | hi guys | 16:00 |
| egonzalez | o/ | 16:01 |
| bmace | o/ | 16:01 |
| ktibi | o/ | 16:01 |
| caoyuan | o/ | 16:01 |
| pbourke | o/ | 16:01 |
| duongq | o/ | 16:01 |
| gkadam | o/ | 16:01 |
| mgiles | o/ | 16:01 |
| chason | o/ | 16:01 |
| Jeffrey4l | #topic Announcements | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:02 | |
| spsurya__ | 0/ | 16:02 |
| Jeffrey4l | one from me: 6.0.0 and 5.0.2 are release this week. | 16:02 |
| Jeffrey4l | thanks for all the contributor :D | 16:02 |
| egonzalez | Nice | 16:03 |
| Jeffrey4l | any thing else from community? | 16:03 |
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| bmace | the kolla-cli repo exists now, and i think jeffrey set up the cores last night | 16:03 |
| Jeffrey4l | btw, 4.0.x will be released later this week | 16:03 |
| bmace | still a lot of work to get it in shape to remove some of the Oracleisms out of it, but starting work on it | 16:03 |
| Jeffrey4l | yes. the permission is well configured | 16:04 |
| Jeffrey4l | now kolla-cli repo has its own core team, which including bmace, and one of his cowork, and all kolla-core group member. | 16:05 |
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| Jeffrey4l | and thanks bmace and oracle to contribe this project to community. | 16:05 |
| egonzalez | Mibd sharing a repo link? | 16:05 |
| duongq | nice | 16:05 |
| egonzalez | Mind | 16:05 |
| bmace | thanks for taking it! :) | 16:05 |
| Jeffrey4l | #link https://github.com/openstack/kolla-cli | 16:06 |
| duongq | so we will have some interesting work here | 16:06 |
| duongq | thank guys | 16:06 |
| Jeffrey4l | ok let us move on | 16:07 |
| Jeffrey4l | #topic retire kolla-kubernetes | 16:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "retire kolla-kubernetes (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:07 | |
| Jeffrey4l | i sent a mail in ML just now. | 16:07 |
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| Jeffrey4l | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-March/128822.html | 16:08 |
| gkadam | so the kolla-kubernetes will have seperate irc channel? | 16:08 |
| Jeffrey4l | gkadam, no. we are saying sunset this project. | 16:08 |
| gkadam | Jeffrey4l, oh | 16:08 |
| Jeffrey4l | if you are still interested in this area, you should check openstack-helm project. | 16:09 |
| gkadam | Jeffrey4l, sure | 16:09 |
| Jeffrey4l | this is not happen, just a propose | 16:09 |
| Jeffrey4l | so feel free to reply on ML if you have any concern. | 16:09 |
| Jeffrey4l | so feel free to reply on ML if you have any concern. | 16:09 |
| gkadam | Jeffrey4l, ack | 16:10 |
| duongq | so sad | 16:10 |
| Jeffrey4l | i checked these two projects recently. tbh, openstack-helm is more better. it also implemented the micro charts. | 16:10 |
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| ktibi | Jeffrey4l, helm can use kolla image or they have their own images ? | 16:11 |
| Jeffrey4l | duongq, mee too. but there is no reason to keep two same projects in openstack. | 16:11 |
| egonzalez | ktibi, they use kolla and loci images | 16:11 |
| Jeffrey4l | egonzalez, yes. | 16:12 |
| duongq | Jeffrey4l, kk OSH has much better sponsor so the contributors etc. | 16:12 |
| spsurya__ | egonzalez: +1 | 16:12 |
| ktibi | Jeffrey4l, ok indeed we have no reason to keep two same project, so between kolla and loci, what's the next step ? because for me, it's the same project no ? | 16:13 |
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| pbourke | ktibi: first step is to make kolla-ansible support loci images | 16:14 |
| spsurya__ | sup kfox1111 | 16:14 |
| kfox1111 | hi | 16:14 |
| Jeffrey4l | ktibi, for kolla-k8s and osh, they are both using helm for deploying openstack on k8s. | 16:14 |
| pbourke | ktibi: that effort is for review at https://review.openstack.org/550958 | 16:14 |
| Jeffrey4l | for loci and kolla is different. | 16:14 |
| kfox1111 | yes, but with one very key difference. | 16:14 |
| pbourke | in the long term kolla images could be removed but I dont see that any time soon | 16:15 |
| Jeffrey4l | we are trying to suport loci. by pbourke's spec | 16:15 |
| kfox1111 | openstack-helm believes helm has enough orchestration suport in it to do it only with helm. | 16:15 |
| kfox1111 | kolla-kubernetes has positioned itself to use orchestration other then helm. | 16:15 |
| Jeffrey4l | pbourke, yep. kolla images will exist for a long time as far as I know. | 16:16 |
| Jeffrey4l | kfox1111, but both these project are using helm to handle this, right? | 16:17 |
| Jeffrey4l | and no active contributor is another critial reason. | 16:17 |
| kfox1111 | Jeffrey4l: openstack-helm believes 'helm upgrade <chart>' will be good enough to be able to handle openstack's upgrade workflow. | 16:17 |
| kfox1111 | I have grave doubts that will ever work long term. | 16:17 |
| kfox1111 | I currently believe we need some helm kubernetes operators. | 16:18 |
| kfox1111 | helm driving, kubernetes operators. | 16:18 |
| Jeffrey4l | kfox1111, they can control the charts by some variables. which could implement that "helm upgrade glance" just run db sync | 16:18 |
| kfox1111 | kind of like how rook behaves. | 16:18 |
| kfox1111 | I've upgraded openstack enough times to know that it will never be that simple. | 16:19 |
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| kfox1111 | schema upgrades fail. you have to iterate over it a few times, sometimes applying patches half way, then retrying. | 16:20 |
| kfox1111 | openstack never upgrade tests over multiple versions worth of data in the database. odd things pop up all the time. :( | 16:20 |
| Jeffrey4l | kolla-ansible run db sync only once ;( | 16:21 |
| kfox1111 | so, again, I think openstack-helm's focus is on day 1. | 16:21 |
| kfox1111 | kolla-kubernetes was written by focusing on day 2. | 16:21 |
| kfox1111 | Jeffrey4l: and, no affence intended, but I had relucatnce in deploying kolla-ansible too when I started working on kolla-kubernetes instad. | 16:22 |
| kfox1111 | as an operator, I need day2 stability. day one only happens once. | 16:23 |
| kfox1111 | if day one is hard, but day 2 is reasonable, then its not so bad to live with IMO. | 16:23 |
| Jeffrey4l | for i can see is "variable controlled chart" is also the same with "multi small charts" | 16:23 |
| ktibi | kfox1111, +1 | 16:23 |
| Jeffrey4l | agree with you on this point. | 16:24 |
| kfox1111 | Jeffrey4l: aggregating a few charts into one bigger chart with enables is not the root of the argument. | 16:24 |
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| kfox1111 | its how things are layed out, and intended to be orchestrated is the core issue. | 16:25 |
| kfox1111 | the way things are now, orchestration is a completely seperate piece of the archetecture. | 16:25 |
| kfox1111 | you could install the microservice charts with ansible, with helm itself (service charts), with an operator, or something else. | 16:25 |
| kfox1111 | we have it orchestrated with bash in the gate, with a python script that rwellum wrote, and an ansible playbook others have written. | 16:26 |
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| kfox1111 | kolla-kubernetes needs to focus on a final reference orchestrator to cover day1 and make it super easy to play with. | 16:27 |
| pbourke | kfox1111: not disagreeing with any of this but... fact of the matter is noone is really working on this | 16:27 |
| kfox1111 | if kolla-kubernetes is to be successful. | 16:27 |
| kfox1111 | that is the problem yeah. | 16:27 |
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| pbourke | so its pointless to keep dragging it out imo | 16:27 |
| kfox1111 | yup. most folks are moving on from openstack. :/ | 16:28 |
| Jeffrey4l | so contributor is another importance issue. There is only fewer patches in kk8s in recent 3 month. | 16:29 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. | 16:30 |
| kfox1111 | unfortunately I don't have much time to spend on it right now. I may in a couple months, but I don't know for sure. | 16:30 |
| kfox1111 | so, I guess the question is, do we just give up now, or do we wait a bit longer to see if anyone else is interested? | 16:32 |
| Jeffrey4l | anyway, thaks kfox1111 | 16:32 |
| Jeffrey4l | kfox1111, we can wait for a bit longer. | 16:32 |
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| spsurya__ | Jeffrey4l: kfox1111 +1 | 16:33 |
| Jeffrey4l | let us move on. if you have any concern about this, please reply in mail. | 16:34 |
| Jeffrey4l | #topic Open Discussion | 16:34 |
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| Jeffrey4l | any volunteer? | 16:35 |
| duongq | o/ | 16:35 |
| Jeffrey4l | please duongq | 16:35 |
| duongq | just short and simple announcement | 16:35 |
| duongq | the bp | 16:35 |
| duongq | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla-ansible/+spec/ansible-specific-task-become | 16:35 |
| duongq | is done | 16:35 |
| duongq | please help me recheck if I need to do something more | 16:36 |
| duongq | before we closed this | 16:36 |
| duongq | after many cycles (it's my fault) | 16:36 |
| ktibi | I have one question | 16:36 |
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| ktibi | As I had already spoken, I work on security aspects. I realized that the version of Docker was really obsolete on centos. | 16:36 |
| Jeffrey4l | duongq, ok | 16:36 |
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| duongq | thank Jeffrey4l | 16:37 |
| ktibi | I know redhat support just 1.12.6 but that version is very old and as you know, docker have a lot of security breach .... | 16:37 |
| Jeffrey4l | ktibi, which version are you talking? | 16:38 |
| ktibi | and the second pb is docker change the name of package docker-engine => docker-ce, so very hard to upgrade ^^ | 16:38 |
| Jeffrey4l | techinally, kolla support all docker version after 1.12.0, including docker-ce | 16:38 |
| Jeffrey4l | i use docker-ce 17.09, which is more stable. | 16:38 |
| egonzalez | Yep, is working on all docker-ce versions, in gates we use latest iirc | 16:39 |
| ktibi | Jeffrey4l, it's kolla which install docker ? | 16:39 |
| ktibi | because the repo used by kolla is not update since 1 year | 16:39 |
| Jeffrey4l | egonzalez, should be. but iirc, only one of kolla-ansible / kolla is using the latest. | 16:39 |
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| Jeffrey4l | ktibi, if there is any place force to use order docker, we should fix it. kolla works with the latest docker-ce | 16:40 |
| ktibi | Jeffrey4l, ok because for now, kolla use 1.12.0 for centos | 16:41 |
| ktibi | #link https://github.com/openstack/kolla-ansible/blob/master/ansible/roles/baremetal/defaults/main.yml#L34 | 16:41 |
| Jeffrey4l | yeah, we should fix this or make it configurable. | 16:42 |
| ktibi | ok I can make review to be configurable :) | 16:43 |
| Jeffrey4l | cool, thanks | 16:43 |
| Jeffrey4l | any other topics? | 16:44 |
| ktibi | the issue is with upgrade | 16:44 |
| ktibi | docker-engine => docker-ce (need to remove old package) | 16:44 |
| Jeffrey4l | ktibi, no. i tested upgrade from docker-engine 1.12.6 to docker-ce 17.9, which works perfect. | 16:44 |
| ktibi | Jeffrey4l, ok great, when I tested, I had conflict with packages maybe wrong command :/ | 16:46 |
| egonzalez | Changes the docker daemon name in the systemd, but package replacement is fine | 16:46 |
| Jeffrey4l | egonzalez, +1 | 16:47 |
| Jeffrey4l | ok, let us end the meeting earlier. thanks guys for comming | 16:48 |
| egonzalez | Another things which makes all containers restart is a pid default value | 16:48 |
| Jeffrey4l | #endmeeting | 16:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 28 16:48:37 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2018/kolla.2018-03-28-16.00.html | 16:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2018/kolla.2018-03-28-16.00.txt | 16:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2018/kolla.2018-03-28-16.00.log.html | 16:48 |
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