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oanson#startmeeting Dragonflow09:00
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openstackMeeting started Mon Nov 21 09:00:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is oanson. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.09:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.09:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Dragonflow)"09:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'dragonflow'09:00
yuvalhey09:00
nick-ma_hey09:00
dimakhello09:00
oansonHello. Who's here for the Dragonlfow meeting?09:00
lihiHi09:01
xiaohhuihi09:01
yuanweihello09:01
oansonAll right. Let's get started then09:01
oanson#topic Ocata Roadmap09:01
*** openstack changes topic to "Ocata Roadmap (Meeting topic: Dragonflow)"09:02
oansonThe IPv6 spec has been merged09:02
oansonThat's great news :). The hard part is over.09:02
oansonI see that the SFC spec is converging09:03
oansonHowever, I suspect it might be too big for a single-cycle task09:03
oansondimak, would you like to say something?09:03
dimakI'm waiting for more reviews09:03
dimakI've revised it a bit yesterday to take into account metadata passing other than that I think it quite ready09:04
dimakI'd love to see some more input09:04
oansonThat's great. I didn't have time to go over it yet.09:04
oansonMy question is, do you think it's something that can be done in Ocata?09:05
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oansonOr do you think it's a double-cycle project?09:05
dimakAs a standalone feature I think it might be possible09:05
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oansonAll right. So let's time it for Ocata for now.09:05
oansonPlease update me if that changes.09:05
dimakbut it depends heavily on how fast can we push nsh to ovs09:05
dimakat least in a side-branch09:06
oansonI will also see if I can get you some help.09:06
dimakthanks09:06
oansondimak, this we can do ourselves, and maintain the side branch ourselves (for now)09:06
oansonIf we take something based 2.6.1 it *might* be good enough.09:06
oansonAlthough pushing it to upstream would be best09:06
nick-ma_yes, just modify devstack to install ovs from source.09:06
oansonHave you managed to rebase the patches?09:07
dimakI didn't get to it yet09:07
oansonNo worries. This can be done in parallel.09:07
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oansonAnything else for SFC?09:07
dimakI don't think so09:08
oansonAll right, the let's move on to chassis status/liveness/health09:08
oansonxiaohhui, I see you updated the patch not long ago.09:09
xiaohhuiI have uploaded a new version of spec today09:09
xiaohhuiyes09:09
oansonI didn't have a chance to look at it yet.09:09
oansonBut I think it was very close to being ready, so I'm hopeful :)09:10
xiaohhuiI address the comments, I think it is ready, but comments are always welcomed09:10
xiaohhuiThanks :)\09:10
oansonI hope that at this point there are only small things left.09:10
xiaohhuiI hope that too :)09:11
oansonAnything else for chassis health/status/liveness?09:11
xiaohhuiNothing from me09:11
oansonTap-as-a-Service09:11
oansonAfter discussion with yamamoto, we agreed that there'll be a 'position' parameter added that will allow us to decide where to put the tap09:12
oansonyuli_s, I see you updated the spec. I didn't have a chance to go over it. Did you add that part in?09:12
yuli_syes, I added it09:13
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oansonGreat.09:13
yuli_splease have a look09:13
oansonWill do09:13
yuli_sfinally I resolved the problem I had in multi-node environment09:13
oansonWe will have to work with the TaaS team to see when it is added there. We may need to help.09:14
yuli_sso, I will continue working on second part of the spec09:14
oansonyuli_s, That's great.09:14
yuli_shttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/400102/09:14
oansonI think the best plan right now is to support one value of 'position', and support the rest immediately after.09:14
oansonThis separation will allow us to do a cut-off when Ocata ends, if we need to09:15
yuli_syes09:15
yuli_ssuer09:15
yuli_ssure09:15
oansonThanks09:15
oansonAnything else for TAPaaS?09:15
yuli_scurrently no09:15
oansonAll right.09:16
oansonThe Anonymous sNAT person isn't here. I forgot to ask him to join.09:16
oansonI would like to clarify the app-separation issue, since I am not sure I was clear09:16
oansonMy vision states that there are several sNAT apps.09:17
oansonOnly one runs in a node/Dragonflow configuration.09:17
oansonThe operator decides how sNAT behaves, and selects the Dragonflow sNAT app that has this behaviour.09:17
nick-ma_does the spec include all these apps? i doubt.09:18
oansonThis way, the anonymous sNAT does not need additional configuration: If it is running, it is expected to do its "thing". Otherwise, a different app should be configured to run.09:18
xiaohhuiseveral snat app, you mean, distributed/centralized snat app, right?09:18
oansonnick-ma_, I think that's out-of-scope for the spec. The spec is only for one snat implementation09:19
oansonxiaohhui, yes.09:19
oansonIn general, is this vision acceptable?09:19
nick-ma_ok.09:19
nick-ma_of course.09:19
oansonIf so, I can add documentation explaining it.09:19
xiaohhuiis there plan to create centrialized snat and eliminate l3-agent?09:19
xiaohhuicentralized snat app09:20
oansonxiaohhui, not to my knowledge.09:20
oansonI think the quickest simplest way to build a centralised snat app is have it use the l3-agent. That means keeping the l3-agent09:20
xiaohhuiok, so why will explicit centralized snat app needed? It could work with the l3 app now with l3-agent.09:20
oansonMaybe once SFC is in, we can have a SF for sNAT, which will be centralised and work out-of-the-box.09:20
oansonxiaohhui, The l3 agent should run only if the centralised snat app is configured. (This is not how it works now, but I think that should be changed. I'll see if I can get around to it)09:21
xiaohhuiI see..09:22
oansonIf there is no snat app, snat functionality should not work (including not having an l3-agent)09:22
oansonI think the work on chassis liveness should help here - we discussed moving l3-agent to run using a ProcessManager from the controller.09:22
xiaohhuiWith the df-controller manage the l3-agent in centralized snat app, right?09:22
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oansonxiaohhui, yes. Exactly09:22
xiaohhuiThanks, I get it...09:23
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oansonAnything else for sNAT?09:23
irenaboanson, can you please send the link to the spec?09:23
oansonSure.09:23
oanson#link Distributed SNAT spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/397992/09:24
irenabthanks09:24
oansonLBaaS09:24
oansonI didn't have a chance to go over the comments on this one.09:24
oansonIs there anything there that's a blocker?09:24
oanson(Obviously, I expect the comments to be treated. The question is is the something that we need to discuss here?)09:25
oansonGreat. Then I guess the rest can be done on the spec.09:26
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oansonAnything else for roadmap?09:26
irenaboanson, link to the LBaaS spec?09:27
oansonOf course :)09:27
oanson#link Load Balancer as a Server V2 specification https://review.openstack.org/#/c/397992/u09:27
oansonI'll add the links to the meeting schedule too: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Dragonflow09:27
nick-ma_the spec is not completed about the functionality, health monitor, control plane.09:28
irenaboanson, its the sNAT one09:28
nick-ma_i give my comments inline.09:28
oanson#link Load Balancer as a Server V2 specification https://review.openstack.org/39799709:28
oansonnick-ma_, yes. I saw you added this to the comments.09:29
xiaohhuiI remember I gave some comments too. But I don't remember exactly now, I guess we can carry on discussion in the spec09:29
oansondenghui, will you be able to fill in the missing bits?09:29
denghuisure, will be updated it soon.09:30
oansonGreat. Thanks!09:30
oansonAnything else for roadmap?09:30
oansonGreat!09:31
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oanson#topic Bugs09:31
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oansonThere are a couple of new bugs.09:31
oansonThere are two that I'm marking high:09:31
oansonBug 164289509:31
openstackbug 1642895 in DragonFlow "In large scale, SGApp will slow down the speed of processing a logical port updated event" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164289509:31
oansonyuli_s, as part of your performance work, will you be able to look at it?09:32
yuli_si will take a look09:32
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oansonThanks09:32
oansonBug 164252509:32
openstackbug 1642525 in DragonFlow "redis driver raise exception when node removed" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164252509:32
oansonI will try and contact the guy who wrote the redis driver, see if he's willing to review the bug and send a fix09:33
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oansonThe bug list is growing, but I think that's all right for now. I want to concentrate in the next month on new features09:34
oanson(IPv6, NAT, LBaaS, SFC)09:34
oansonAnd treat bugs in the month after that.09:34
nick-ma_that makes sense.09:35
oansonObviously, if you upload a fix to a bug, it will be reviewed and merged. But I will give a greater stress on bugs later in the cycle.09:35
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oansonAnything else for bugs?09:35
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oanson#topic Open Discussion09:36
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oansonThe floor is for the taking.09:36
yuli_si saw a number of bugs related to selective distribution09:36
yuli_sthat should be addressed asap09:37
oansonyuli_s, in that case, please upgrade them to Critical, so we'll see them09:37
yuli_sok, great09:37
oansonDo they all have owners?09:37
oansonAnything specific you want to raise here?09:38
yuli_ssec. will give numbers09:38
yuli_shttps://bugs.launchpad.net/dragonflow/+bug/164162609:39
openstackLaunchpad bug 1641626 in DragonFlow "Failed to load VM in multi-node setup" [Critical,New]09:39
yuli_sops,09:39
yuli_sit is wrong09:39
yuli_shttps://bugs.launchpad.net/dragonflow/+bug/164190309:39
openstackLaunchpad bug 1641903 in DragonFlow "Exception in removing router in multi-node setup" [High,New]09:39
yuli_swill make it critical now09:40
xiaohhuiI want to bring this review out. It has a +2 from nick-ma_  The refactor will be hard to rebase, so I hope it will not wait too long. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/393974/09:40
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oansonxiaohhui, I will look at it09:41
yuli_sthe CN had unsubscribed from topic before removing logical port09:41
yuli_sand as a result , exception09:41
oansonI don't think we have enough hands to take it right now.09:42
oansonUnless someone volunteers?09:42
yuli_sso, it is only 1 critical bug for now09:42
oansonI'll take it. But it will take me a few days to reach it.09:43
xiaohhuiI can take it09:43
oansonxiaohhui, even better :)09:43
oansonIt's yours. Thanks!09:43
xiaohhui:)09:43
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oansonThe floor is for the taking again.09:44
oansonIn that case, we can go to lunch/dinner early :)09:44
nick-ma_:-)09:45
yuli_s;)09:45
xiaohhuibye~09:45
oansonThanks everyone for coming, and for your efforts!09:45
oanson#endmeeting09:45
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apuimedo#startmeeting kuryr14:02
openstackMeeting started Mon Nov 21 14:02:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is apuimedo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'kuryr'14:02
apuimedoWelcome to Kuryr's weekly meeting!14:02
apuimedoWho's here?14:02
garylougo/14:02
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vikasco/14:02
limao_o/14:02
alraddarla_o/14:02
yedongcano/14:02
irenabhi14:03
ivc_o/14:03
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apuimedo:-)14:03
hongbino/14:03
apuimedoWelcome everybody!14:03
mchiapperoo/14:03
apuimedo#topic kuryr-libnetwork14:03
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ltomasboo/14:03
apuimedocrap14:03
apuimedo#topic kuryr-lib14:03
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apuimedomy hand autocompletes lib to libnetwork sometimes14:04
apuimedoxD14:04
apuimedoanyway14:04
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apuimedoWe have to cut a release so that we can move kuryr-libnetwork to depend on it14:04
lmdalyo/14:04
mchiapperoit would be great!14:05
apuimedoindeed14:05
apuimedoI would like it if anybody that has something that should make it to this release brings it up :-)14:06
alraddarla_I found a few easy documentation bugs that I'm willing to fix. Added one patch set here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/397790/14:06
apuimedovikasc: irenab: we should merge the simpler ones now, so they don't wait a whole release14:07
apuimedolike https://review.openstack.org/#/c/394819/414:07
apuimedoalraddarla_: good!14:07
irenabapuimedo, will take a look14:07
alraddarla_i plan to fix the other one as soon as this one gets merged14:07
vikascapuimedo, sure14:07
apuimedogood14:07
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janonymouso/14:07
apuimedoalraddarla_: make sure to add more reviewers to your patches :-)14:08
apuimedootherwise sometimes I miss patches14:08
alraddarla_okay, will do! Since I'm newer to the project I wasn't sure how you all like to handle these14:08
alraddarla_Anyone else besides you that I should normall add?14:09
apuimedoalraddarla_: limao vikasc and irenab are doing a lot of reviews14:09
apuimedoyedongcan and janonymous too :-)14:09
apuimedowe have a healthy reviewing population14:09
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apuimedovikasc: ltomasbo: I'd like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/361993/ to be part of the release14:09
alraddarla_Awesome, sounds great! Thanks14:09
apuimedoalraddarla_: welcome to the project :-)14:10
ltomasbowith both modes?14:10
ltomasboor just one subport per container?14:10
alraddarla_Thank you, apuimedo :) I'm excited to jump in14:10
vikascapuimedo, i am working on vlan-per-containe mod14:10
vikascapuimedo, i am trying trunk port support14:11
apuimedoltomasbo: we can start with one and make a further release for the second mode14:11
apuimedono need to to everything at once14:11
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ltomasbogreat, so I will sync with vikasc for the vlan-per-container14:11
vikascable to see trunk bridge etc getting created, not sure where ping packets are getting stuck14:11
apuimedo#info before release we must have CNI driver (apuimedo) and one vlan binding mode (vikasc + ltomasbo)14:11
ivc_apuimedo, do we really need CNI in release?14:12
ltomasbovikasc: do you need some help?14:12
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vikascltomasbo, we might debug together14:12
apuimedoivc_: we don't, but I hope I get it before they do :P14:12
vikascltomasbo, :)14:12
irenabapuimedo, CNI is in kuryr-lib?14:12
ivc_apuimedo, i had a suggestion regarding CNI and the drivers14:12
apuimedoI am hoping I don't need to visit a hospital in at least 10 days14:12
apuimedoxD14:12
apuimedoirenab: the base driver is14:12
ltomasbosure, happy to help! are you working on kuryr-libnetwork too? or just the binding so far?14:13
apuimedoivc_: where did you send it? IRC or ml?14:13
vikascltomasbo,i will ping you just after meeting14:13
ivc_wdyt if we use kuryr-kubernetes as a sandbox/playground for CNI and os-vif - based drivers14:13
* apuimedo just binding14:13
ltomasbovikasc: ok, great!14:13
ivc_apuimedo, i did not :) i'm just sharing it now14:13
apuimedoivc_: you mean that we submit it there and then we have it graduate to kuryr-lib?14:13
ivc_my thinking was that kuryr-k8s is not bound by release-restrictions14:13
ivc_yet14:13
apuimedoI don't know what irenab and vikasc think, but it makes a lot of sense to it14:14
apuimedos/to it/to do it/14:14
irenabI was already convinced by ivc_14:14
apuimedoalright then14:14
ivc_right now i'm planning to implement the [experimental] cni driver by using just os-vif (and some parts of kuryr-lib maybe or just IPDB)14:14
apuimedo#action apuimedo to move CNI patch to kuryr-kubernetes and make it work with the pod handler and have a devstack test14:15
ivc_so we can eventually mature it enough to get rid of the bash scripts and replace it with os-vif :)14:15
apuimedo#info kuryr-lib release drops CNI driver14:15
apuimedoivc_: agreed14:15
ivc_apuimedo, cool14:15
apuimedoaltough that will probably mean to have to send patches to os-vif14:15
ivc_not necessary14:15
apuimedohopefully not14:16
ivc_they use stevedore too :)14:16
apuimedoah, good14:16
apuimedoanything more on kuryr-lib?14:16
ivc_there's one thing i'm mising is the Subnet.id14:16
ivc_^ in os-vif14:16
irenabI guess possible to start just by posting a bug for os_vif14:17
apuimedoirenab: first we try to make it work14:17
apuimedoivc_: I started a patch for subnet.id to os-vif14:17
ivc_irenab, we have a workaround for now, we'll fix it later14:17
apuimedowhen we get to it I'll continue it14:17
ivc_cool14:18
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apuimedo#topic kuryr-libnetwork14:18
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apuimedovikasc: please, look at this patch from yedongcan https://review.openstack.org/#/c/400078/114:19
vikascapuimedo, sure14:19
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apuimedoand the patches he sent for credentials14:19
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apuimedohe took over gal's bp of not using admin credentials IIRC14:20
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vikascapuimedo, i will go through14:20
apuimedothanks14:21
vikascyedongcan, please add me to the review list14:21
apuimedolmdaly: once we make the release, we should be able to merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/394547/ right?14:22
apuimedo*kuryr-lib14:22
mchiapperoyes14:22
mchiapperowell, I'm not sure there is a need for rebasing14:23
mchiapperobut tests should pass14:23
apuimedo#info The refactoring of where the devices are created and deleted to better comply with libnetwork and also to make nested flow work is pending kuryr-lib release14:23
apuimedovery well14:23
apuimedoanything else on kuryr-libnetwork?14:24
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mchiapperolmdaly14:24
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apuimedolmdaly: mchiappero: Did you send a patch after this one for using the nested drivers already?14:24
lmdalyWe have the libnetwork driver very nearly ready14:24
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mchiapperothere are a few opens to discuss about but should be there14:25
mchiapperoone open is how to guarantee the driver-to-driver coherency14:25
apuimedomchiappero: we did have some discussion on that in the channel last week14:26
mchiapperoI was wondering whether we can make bindings.drivers.__init__ store a binding driver?14:26
apuimedowhat do you mean with 'store'?14:26
apuimedoyou mean to cache it during runtime?14:27
mchiapperoapuimedo: yes, I like your idea, I'm still not too sure on how to adapt the kuryr-lib side14:27
mchiapperoyes14:27
apuimedocan't we do that on the controller side?14:27
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apuimedoto have a kuryr-libnetwork driver loading method14:27
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apuimedothat returns you the cached one?14:27
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mchiapperoyes, but currently kuryr-lib is reading straight from the config file14:28
mchiapperook ok, I wasn't sure there was a clear agreement yet14:28
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apuimedoI see no issue with kuryr-libnetwork caching binding drivers14:29
mchiapperolet's anyway continue on gerrit once the first patchset is up14:29
apuimedoif anybody sees issues with it, please bring it up14:29
mchiapperoneither I, it was more on how to adapt kuryr-lib14:29
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mchiapperoapuimedo: good, will do!14:30
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apuimedomchiappero: if there is changes we need to kuryr-lib, let's bring it up before we release :P14:30
apuimedo#topic kuryr-kubernetes14:30
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mchiapperoapuimedo: there is a dependency cycle14:31
apuimedo#info we move CNI and os-vif binding to kuryr-kubernetes first. From here it will bubble up to kuryr-lib14:31
apuimedoanother important thing. Or even more14:31
apuimedoWe need to start adding functional tests to kuryr-kubernetes using devstack14:31
mchiapperothe dependency on kuryr-libnetwork won't merge until we release kuryr-lib14:32
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apuimedomchiappero: let's detail the dependency cycle on #openstack-kuryr just after the meeting14:32
apuimedoand see how we go about it14:32
apuimedo#chair ivc_14:33
openstackCurrent chairs: apuimedo ivc_14:33
apuimedoivc_: please, update on the latest of your work14:33
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ivc_well, there's one huge problem about kuryr-k8s is that i probably poorly communicate plans with community :)14:34
vikasc+1 :)14:34
ivc_xD14:34
vikasc:D14:34
irenabivc_, hoppe that https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hExm0TNp_OMWY_XMVRYpSvg5G8kFrL5hcrT9M_NDCwo/edit?usp=sharing will help on this14:34
ivc_but thankfully irenab started working on a devref :)14:34
ivc_^14:34
ivc_so thanks a lot, irenab <314:34
apuimedoyou can't just drop a link irenab!14:35
apuimedoyou have to put14:35
apuimedo#link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hExm0TNp_OMWY_XMVRYpSvg5G8kFrL5hcrT9M_NDCwo/edit?usp=sharing14:35
apuimedo :-)14:35
vikascirenab, superb +10014:35
apuimedothanks a lot on this effort irenab!14:35
irenabivc_, thanks a lot for your time and review of the docs14:35
irenabits still WIP, but supposed to help to see the full picture of the design ivc_ has in mind14:35
apuimedothat's a great initiative14:35
ivc_i hope the confusion about that drivers chain should be fixed once i rebase VIFHandler patch on that chain14:36
apuimedogood14:36
irenabonce convereged on code, we will post it in rst devref in kuryr-k8s14:36
apuimedoagreed14:36
ivc_so the current state is that i need to update VIFHandler and then another patch with experimental cni14:36
apuimedo#action get https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hExm0TNp_OMWY_XMVRYpSvg5G8kFrL5hcrT9M_NDCwo/edit?usp=sharing in sync with the code and post it as devref14:37
ivc_and then the pods should work14:37
apuimedovery well14:37
ivc_actually i've already tested os-vif based binding with current patches, just need to add veth-pairing14:37
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irenabivc_, pods on single network per k8s cluster, correct?14:37
apuimedoivc_: pairing?14:37
apuimedoirenab: yes, that's the current default handler14:38
ivc_apuimedo, s/pairing/plugging/14:38
apuimedoah14:38
ivc_irenab, yes14:38
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ivc_apuimedo, the hybrid bridge and ovs and port activation is working already thanks to os-vif14:38
ivc_so just need to expose it to the container14:38
apuimedocool14:39
ivc_but then we'll have to extend the drivers and there'll be lots of work14:39
apuimedoivc_: extend which drivers? You mean the kuryr-lib binding drivers?14:40
ivc_one part is extending os-vif translators to support linux-bridge and native ovs14:40
irenabivc_, apuimedo any MPV goal for Ocata?14:40
apuimedoirenab: MPV?14:40
ivc_^+1?14:40
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irenabminimal product value14:41
* apuimedo is bad at acronymcs14:41
apuimedoxD14:41
apuimedokuryr-lib should have the vlan binding drivers14:41
apuimedokuryr-libnetwork should work in nested14:41
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irenabk8s?14:41
apuimedokuryr-kubernetes should have default drivers for all the resources and cni binding using os-vif14:41
apuimedoso far I'm not counting on policy14:42
irenabflat network mode?14:42
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irenabor also net per namespace?14:42
mchiapperosorry, I'm not sure I understand the work needed to extend the drivers14:42
apuimedowell, I was hoping we can use the code ivc_ made to load the mapping of port to subnet14:42
apuimedoand have it for this release14:42
apuimedoso that means you can easily have flat, net per namespace14:43
apuimedoit's quite moddable14:43
ivc_:P14:43
ivc_you can tune anything14:43
ivc_almost :)14:43
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irenabSo plans to have drivers for flat and per namespace + tests?14:44
ivc_also we'll need to extend GenericVIFDriver and subclass it into a Recycling one that will reuse/recycle ports14:44
apuimedosomething like http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx72/Tripmyster/weird-car-3.jpg14:44
apuimedoxD14:44
apuimedoivc_: the recycling part is definitely not MPV though14:45
irenab:-)14:45
ivc_apuimedo, maybe not, but it should allow us to show really cool performance numbers14:45
mchiapperoLOL14:46
apuimedoivc_: it's important work indeed14:46
irenabivc_, apuimedo will be helpful to set miniml goal for ocata14:46
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ivc_as right now the word 'performance' does not have a place in the current codebase14:46
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apuimedominimum goal is to have the base drivers down in a way that they can be replaced with stevedore as ivc_ is doing14:46
ivc_irenab, well are we talking about (public) goals or (internal) ones?14:46
irenabapuimedo, do not give ideas to ivc_ he has a lot already :-)14:46
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apuimedoand to have a sensible default with devstack test coverage14:46
irenabivc_, both I think14:47
apuimedothat's the minimum goal for sure14:47
apuimedoI'd like that we can get there with support and tests for nested (probably lmdaly and mchiappero continuing their nested work onto kuryr-kubernetes)14:47
mchiapperolet us know how we can help there14:48
apuimedothat's my first extension goal if we get any extra time14:48
ivc_apuimedo, there we might have a problem14:48
irenabneed to drop from the meeting, sorry14:48
apuimedoirenab: thanks for joining!14:48
ivc_i'm not certain how much of kuryr-lib drivers i can salvage atm14:48
ivc_thnx, irenab14:48
apuimedoivc_: no worries. Just do the os-vif prototype and we'll work it back in14:49
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apuimedoand add tests for it14:49
ivc_i'm aiming at 100% coverage14:49
apuimedoivc_: you don't need to ;-)14:49
ivc_but i want!14:49
ivc_:P14:49
apuimedoivc_: better to concentrate on the service and other resource drivers14:50
apuimedoand then on the reusing14:50
apuimedothan spend time on 100% binding coverage14:50
apuimedowhich is something we already have on kuryr-lib binding and is a matter of porting14:50
ivc_well its already 100% for most of the modules14:51
ivc_just those pesky opts.py and config.py and some other minor things missing :)14:51
hongbinapuimedo: hey, i wonder if i can take 1 - 2 minutes in this meeting. i would like to give a general status update of the fuxi project14:51
apuimedosure14:51
apuimedothat's great!14:51
apuimedo#topic fuxi14:51
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apuimedo#info hongbin is our new fuxi contact14:52
hongbinhey everyone14:52
apuimedo#chair hongbin14:52
openstackCurrent chairs: apuimedo hongbin ivc_14:52
apuimedoplease, go ahead14:52
hongbinas apuimedo said, i will start to pick up fuxi from now14:52
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hongbinand i would like to work with you to define the future plan14:52
hongbinright now, i am still try to pick up the codebase14:52
hongbinjust want to show up and collect any feedback if there is any14:53
hongbin^^14:53
apuimedohongbin: did you manage to reach out to jgriffith?14:53
hongbinapuimedo: no, i don't have connection to him14:53
apuimedohe had some feedback on things that were apparently not working well with fuxi14:53
apuimedohongbin: he's at #openstack-kuryr14:53
apuimedoit would be good if we can have discusion in the channel about it14:54
apuimedoI'm not sure about his timezone though14:54
ivc_apuimedo, hongbin, do we have plans about fuxi for kuryr-k8s?14:54
hongbinapuimedo: ok, i will ping him later14:54
hongbinivc_: yes, k8s support is what we want to support in fuxi14:54
apuimedoivc_: it depends on the state of kubernetes openstack providers. So first we have to check what's the state, see if we can get the people working on that together14:55
apuimedoand make a plan for ocata14:55
hongbinivc_: we can discuss it further if anyone want to work on this feature14:55
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hongbinsure14:55
hongbinthe last thing i would need you guys to help14:56
hongbinis the review queue: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/fuxi14:56
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hongbinit would be great if we can move the old patches there forward :)14:56
hongbinthat is all from me14:56
ivc_hongbin, apuimedo, i'm just trying to figure out if we'll need to add something to the current watcher/handlers landscape14:56
ivc_for fuxi i mean14:56
apuimedo#action apuimedo, vikasc irenab to review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/fuxi14:57
hongbinapuimedo: thx14:57
apuimedoivc_: I think it would be very good to get vikasc feedback on that14:57
apuimedoIIRC openshift already does something of a storage/volume annotations on k8s14:57
apuimedoso we can see if that is something we can take from14:57
ivc_cool14:58
apuimedoapart from the normal storage providers in k8s14:58
hongbinok14:58
apuimedovery well14:59
apuimedothat's all for today14:59
apuimedothank you all for joining14:59
apuimedo#endmeeting14:59
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jimbaker#startmeeting craton15:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Nov 21 15:00:00 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jimbaker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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jimbaker#topic roll call15:01
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palendaeHere-ish15:04
jimbakerpalendae, o/15:04
sigmaviruso/15:04
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jimbakerhope everyone is having a great monday after the weekend. also just a quick reminder: no vidyo meeting this thanksgiving ;)15:04
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jimbaker(thurs for those not in the US)15:05
jimbakerjust waiting on sulo at this point, but he's online, so he will have the log15:06
jimbaker#topic plans for the week15:06
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jimbakerit's a short week. but hopefully good progress15:06
jimbakeri will start15:07
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jimbakersulo, sigmavirus - i need a review of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/399305/15:07
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jimbakerthis is the predecessor change for adding support for virtualized variables15:07
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jimbaker(which will simply work by registering new objects in the resolution_order)15:08
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jimbakerso more of a plugin scheme than anything else15:09
jimbakeralso on friday i made good progress on rbac modeling, so should have that written up real soon now15:09
jimbakerlastly i will send out the roadmap this week, after working on it with dusty15:09
jimbakerwe can dive into the details of all three after this part of the meeting15:10
jimbakersigmavirus, what about your forthcoming week?15:11
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sigmavirusThis week is looking busy for me,15:12
sigmavirusBut I have some work queued up around the roadmap and client15:12
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jimbakersigmavirus, maybe a good week to be busy, depending on if any travel plans (i have none, so easy for me)15:14
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jimbakerok, this could be a super short meeting today. which is fine15:15
jimbaker#topic rbac15:15
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jimbakersigmavirus, so i spent some time reviewing my notes on rbac from the summer; and going through oslo.policy details15:16
sigmavirusokay15:17
jimbakerright now, i'm planning to implement a mixin for our sqlalchemy objects such that a polymorphic association is created between a given object and a role15:17
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jimbakerif some ancestor object has that role, this implies the object has the role. self of course is implicit15:18
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jimbakeri believe it should just all work. but let's see in a forthcoming blueprint + change(s) to be reviewed15:18
sigmavirushm, so, for policy work I'd think we'd want to have some constraints that can't be enforced with polymorphic associations15:19
sigmavirushaving foreign key constraints would mean it'd be harder for a malicious admin to manipulate role data15:19
jimbakersigmavirus, i would assume said constraints go in a policy.json file15:19
jimbakerahh, different constraints15:19
sigmavirusyeah, what goes into a policy.json file is a rule15:19
sigmavirus(or a collection of rules)15:20
jimbakerso polymorphic association actually does the fk stuff15:20
sigmavirus(at least that's how we talk about them usually)15:20
sigmavirusso I was under the impression you couldn't enforce foreign key constraints with polymorphic associations15:20
jimbakersigmavirus, right, for deriving roles from other roles. hence my confusion re "constraints" (which is somewhat loaded)15:20
jimbakersigmavirus, no that's the beauty of doing polymorphic associations correctly15:21
* sigmavirus isn't a db expert, hence why I'm asking :)15:21
jimbakerin particular, this is how we implement variables15:21
jimbakerone question is: are we just redoing the variable machinery? i don't believe so. also there's something to be said in the relational model of making relationships be explicit, vs implied through code15:22
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jimbakervariables are fantastic. not everything should be a variable15:22
sigmavirusSo, I just worry that if an operator needs to start debugging craton at the db layer, this is going to be as clear as mud to them what's happening15:23
jimbakersigmavirus, old post by mike bayer on this subject - http://techspot.zzzeek.org/2007/05/29/polymorphic-associations-with-sqlalchemy/15:24
sigmavirusAnd I'm worried we're reaching for polymorphic associations a lot, almost as though everything's a nail we can fix with that hammer15:24
jimbakersigmavirus, that's a good point. but that sounds like a doc issue to me15:24
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jimbakeri see it is an inherent when we want to apply a common sort of approach to our code15:25
jimbakerwe have certainly embraced the polymorphic approach in our modeling. i think it has worked well in terms of its modeling elegance15:26
* jimbaker is planning to propose a sqlalchemy topic for pycon, fwiw15:26
jimbakers/topic/talk/15:26
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jimbakersigmavirus, the flip side is that not having duplicated code probably means greater robustness. the only place where a bug has arisen in variables to my knowledge is where we duplicated code15:28
jimbakerhence the refactoring patch i proposed for resolution_order :)15:28
sigmavirusokay, just making sure we're taking a step back and introspecting :)15:28
jimbakersigmavirus, hey, that's the point of the review process15:28
jimbakernothing is going to get just dumped in to the project15:29
jimbakersulo, around?15:31
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jimbakersigmavirus, i think we can just end the meeting early15:32
sigmavirusjimbaker: works for me :)15:33
jimbakercool. i will sync up with syed, jovon, sulo later15:33
jimbaker#endmeeting15:33
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Sukhdevfolks, time for Iroinic-neutron meeting16:00
Sukhdev#startmeeting ironic_neutron16:01
openstackMeeting started Mon Nov 21 16:01:53 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:01
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Sukhdevwho is here for Ironic_neutron meeting?16:02
Sukhdevsambetts, jroll - meeting time16:03
sambettso/16:03
Sukhdevshall we get started?16:04
sambettssure jroll said he'll be late16:04
Sukhdev#topic: Agenda16:04
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Sukhdev#link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-neutron#Meeting_November_21.2C_201616:04
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Sukhdev#topic: Announcements16:05
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Sukhdevanybody has any announcement?16:05
Sukhdevi noticed nova spec is approved16:06
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Sukhdev#topic: Security Groups16:06
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SukhdevI pushed updated patch yesterday - should be ready to go16:07
sambettsI believe there are more comments today16:08
Sukhdevoh OK - have not had a chance to look at this morning - just woke up :-)16:09
Sukhdevhopefully some minor ones - will look later and address them16:09
Sukhdevonce this is merged, will get the document updated as well16:10
Sukhdevanything else related to this?16:11
Sukhdev#topic: Port Groups16:11
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SukhdevNova spec is approved - yey!!!16:11
Sukhdev#link: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bug/161875416:12
Sukhdevthis one is almost ready as well16:12
Sukhdevsambetts : have you tested this?16:13
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sambettsI've not had a chance to run it on my test evironment yet :(16:15
joannao/16:15
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SukhdevI want to test it for MLAG config - but do not have a setup yet16:16
Sukhdevanything else on port groups?16:16
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joannaI have a question about using node uuid and node id16:17
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Sukhdevsure16:17
joannait seems like it should use node_uuid (at least from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1301046)16:17
openstackLaunchpad bug 1301046 in Ironic "ports API allows node IDs in addition to node UUIDs" [Low,Triaged]16:17
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joannathis applies both to port and portgroups. I thought about fixing that, though as node methods consume both ids I'm not sure if it makes any sense16:19
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Sukhdevsambetts : are you familiar with this?16:20
Sukhdevjoanna : I thought it should be uuid16:22
joannaok, so it still makes sense to fix it?16:22
SukhdevI would think so16:23
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joannaok, awesome! thanks16:24
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Sukhdev#topic: Interface attach API16:24
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Sukhdev#link: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:+bug/158218816:25
Sukhdevsambetts : any update on this?16:25
sambettsI'll be getting a patch with updates up soon16:25
Sukhdevcool -16:26
Sukhdevanything else on this?16:26
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sambettsnothing from me really16:27
SukhdevOK - thanks16:28
Sukhdevmoving on...16:28
Sukhdev#topic: VLAN aware Instances16:28
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Sukhdev#link: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:+bug/154358416:28
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Sukhdevthis one is dependent upon the interface attach API16:29
SukhdevI assume there is no progress on this16:29
SukhdevAnything else?16:29
sambettsSpec still need reviews please :16:30
sambetts:)16:30
* jroll is here now and eating lunch at the same time16:30
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* Sukhdev is having morning coffee while typing :-)16:31
Sukhdevsambetts : I reviewed the earlier version - I will review it later today16:31
Sukhdevjroll : you are late to the party - anything from you?16:32
jrollSukhdev: nothing not already covered :)16:33
Sukhdevcool16:33
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SukhdevI guess we are done with the main agenda16:33
Sukhdev#topic Open Discussion16:33
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SukhdevAnybody has any info on the PTG in Atlanta?16:34
jrolldid you see the signups?16:35
jrollwas on the mailing list in the last couple weeks16:35
jroll#link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/project-teams-gathering-tickets-2754929869416:35
jrollironic team will be there w-f :)16:35
Sukhdevjroll : thanks16:36
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Sukhdevconsidering this is the first event - I wonder how crowded will this be16:37
jrollit's limited to 500 people, I believe16:38
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Sukhdevoh I see - that means sign up early then :-)16:39
jrollsurprised it isn't full yet, suspect everyone's rushing to get budgets done for next year :)16:39
Sukhdev500 seems tight across all projects -16:40
Sukhdevanyways - I do not have anything else16:41
Sukhdevanybody else has anything?16:41
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Sukhdevlooks like we are done16:42
Sukhdevjroll : enjoy your lunch16:42
jrollthanks :)16:42
SukhdevThanks for attending everyboty16:42
Sukhdeveverybody16:42
Sukhdev#endmeeting16:42
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sigmavirustonyb: ?21:00
tonyb#startmeeting stable21:00
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sigmavirusI forgot to add https://review.openstack.org/398363 to the agenda before the meeting21:00
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tonybsigmavirus: only 39seconds late ;P21:01
sigmavirustonyb: my computer pinged me so I pinged you ;)21:01
sigmaviruspings as a service ;)21:01
tonyb:)21:01
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tonybStrange that mine didn't do that thing ....21:01
* sigmavirus has calendars configured annoyingly21:01
tonybsigmavirus: :)21:02
tonyb#topic status21:02
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tonybI wont drop the 3 links here21:03
tonyb#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StableTeam#Agenda21:03
tonybYou can get them from there if you want21:03
tonybnetworking-midonet is a little flakey but I'm preety sure ihar is working on that21:03
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tonybheat and zaqar seem to have developed a failure in the last week which I'll check out if noon else opts-in ...21:04
tonybanthing else for status?21:05
apevecheat docs jobs have been failing after new troveclient release21:05
apevecb/c they're not using u-c afaict21:05
tonybapevec: Ah okay21:06
sigmavirusas for the glance test_reload failure, no one's been able to reproduce it locally21:06
apeveczaqar  last failed Nov 1921:06
apevecso looks like they fixed it (it was mitaka)21:06
tonybapevec: Do you want to do that ? add constraints support in heat?21:06
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sigmavirusIt's admittedly a rather poor test, but it seems to work most of the time21:06
apevecI asked heat folks in a backport trying to fix that21:06
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apevecI can take action to chase that down or just do it21:07
tonybapevec: Cool21:07
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apevechere is the backport I and Ihar -1ed https://review.openstack.org/40006321:08
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tonybmoving on?Oh yeah that's the wrong solution :(21:09
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tonybI'l skip action itesm as there aren't any due to no meetings ;P21:10
apevecyes, let's move no - BTW are we updating https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stable-tracker ?21:10
tonyb#topic release status21:10
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tonybSo last week I was supposed to announce the EOL plan and "nominations" then I had a bunch of unplanned time off21:11
sigmavirus:/21:11
tonybI know a few teams have proposed final realeases but I don't know exactly where we're at21:11
apevecMatt has pre-announced it21:11
apevecI've seen Nova and Cinder(merged)21:11
tonybso my plan is to send a list of "theese are the repos we want to EOL" to os-dev21:11
tonyband then email all the PTLs and CPLs that dont' already have a final realeas up or out to see if they're going to do that thing21:12
apevec+121:12
sigmavirus+121:12
tonybI'll give until Monday next week, then I'll work with infra to EOL the appropriate branches21:12
tonybthis shoudl be the last time we need to do this as when we EOL mitaka it'll be included in the openstack/releases process21:13
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tonyband I'll just propose reviews there and PTLs/CPLs can +/-1 them21:13
tonybAs to common topic I don't think there is one but I could make one and change the topic on the open reviews21:14
tonybperhaps eol-liberty-work ?21:15
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sigmavirussgtm21:15
tonybsigmavirus: cool.21:15
apevecanything, just to be used consistently :)21:15
tonybIf y'all see any reviews that shoudl be on the topic please feel free to chnage it21:16
tonybapevec: Yeah :)21:16
tonybSo the agenda needs a clean out ... but21:16
tonyb#topic meeting time21:16
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tonybSo sigmavirus called out that we've let these slide and I proposed that we switch the times up so I can be in both the meetings21:17
tonyb#link https://review.openstack.org/398363 is that thing21:18
sigmavirusI removed the workflow just now in the event we come to a conclusion here21:18
tonybplease vote on it or the m/l I'll juggle 2 hats and get that merged or an alternate proposed21:18
tonybI haven't actually checked the review but assuming it matches my email proposal I'm +1 :)21:19
apevecis today odd or even week?21:19
tonybodd21:19
apevecah then cal -w has a bug :)21:19
tonybapevec: Oh I could be wrong21:20
tonybapevec: date +%V ?21:20
apevecno you're right, google says its week 4721:20
apevecok, date is right too21:20
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apevecsorry for sidetracking21:21
apevecI've +1 new meeting time proposal21:21
tonybso I see one minor complication ... we'd need to move into -3 (for both) but Meh it's all about the timing not the room21:22
tonybokay21:22
tonybI'd like to get a +1 from Matt and Ihar I'll nag them21:22
tonybMatt seemed fine with it on the list so maybe we should just ping Ihar21:22
* tonyb has to work late tonight so I'll do that when we overlap21:23
tonyb#action tonby to ping ihar re: meeting time21:23
tonybokay21:23
tonyb#topic open discussion21:23
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tonybanything?21:23
apevecI had one question in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/361116/2//COMMIT_MSG@1221:24
apevecbut I think answer is meh, we're EOLing it :)21:24
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tonybapevec: Yeah I think that EOLing it is the easy option21:24
apevectl;dr liberty u-c  is a mess, not worth fixing it at EOL21:25
tonybwe messed up constratins on liberty but we wont make *that* mistake again .... we'll try for new and fresh ones :)21:25
tonybAnything else or are we done?21:27
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apevecI'm good21:27
sigmavirusI've nothing21:28
tonybThanks sigmavirus, apevec21:28
tonyb#endmeeting21:28
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openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2016/stable.2016-11-21-21.00.txt21:28
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apevecthanks tonyb21:28
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