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| elisha_r | #startmeeting vitrage | 08:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 29 08:01:17 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is elisha_r. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vitrage' | 08:01 |
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| lhartal | hi :) | 08:06 |
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| elisha_r | Hi Everyone! | 08:06 |
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| elisha_r | Our agenda today: | 08:07 |
| eyalb | hi | 08:07 |
| elisha_r | OPNFV summit updates | 08:07 |
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| elisha_r | sorry... Our agenda today: | 08:08 |
| elisha_r | * OPNFV summit updates | 08:08 |
| elisha_r | * Status and updates | 08:08 |
| elisha_r | * Open Discussion | 08:08 |
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| elisha_r | #topic OPNFV summit updates | 08:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OPNFV summit updates (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:08 | |
| idan_hefetz | Hi all | 08:09 |
| elisha_r | So, we had a great summit. We had a booth there, demonstrating how Vitrage can implement the Inspector component of the OPNFV Doctor project | 08:10 |
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| elisha_r | We had about 100+ people that came to hear about Vitrage | 08:10 |
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| elisha_r | Many people asked questions. Among other things, they were very interested in the UI, how templates are defined, and integration with other components | 08:11 |
| elisha_r | We were also interviewed to TelecomTV. Will post the interview link here once it's published. | 08:12 |
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| elisha_r | Also, we had meetings with a new OPNFV project called VES, which deals with VNF monitoring, and with collectd, a monitoring daemon which is part of DPDK. | 08:13 |
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| elisha_r | Overall, we got very good feedback both from Doctor and the community as a whole. | 08:14 |
| elisha_r | That's it. | 08:14 |
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| emalin | very nice | 08:15 |
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| lhartal | grate news :) | 08:15 |
| nbloom | Well done, good job, keep up the good work!!! | 08:15 |
| eyalb | +1 | 08:15 |
| lhartal | +2 | 08:15 |
| elisha_r | #topic Status and updates | 08:16 |
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| lhartal | I have an update | 08:18 |
| lhartal | Last week I added new ALP – vitrage template list | 08:18 |
| lhartal | ALP = API :) | 08:18 |
| lhartal | It list all templates loaded from /etc/vitrage/templates dir | 08:19 |
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| elisha_r | nice! | 08:20 |
| lhartal | if template failed during loading, it will show an error status and a message with explanation | 08:21 |
| danoffek | Nice. do we have any future plans for additional Templates related APIs ? | 08:22 |
| lhartal | please be aware that from newton - the id field renamed to name | 08:23 |
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| lhartal | @danoffek: yes. hopefully next week I will add new API: vitrage template show | 08:24 |
| danoffek | Thanks | 08:24 |
| lhartal | It will show the content of specific template | 08:24 |
| lhartal | Do you have a future wish for templates APIs? | 08:25 |
| danoffek | Not that I can think of now, thanks. | 08:26 |
| lhartal | great!! that's all | 08:27 |
| danoffek | I have a general idea about template generic editing VIA api, but not yet. | 08:27 |
| elisha_r | cool. Anyone else? | 08:27 |
| elisha_r | ok | 08:27 |
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| elisha_r | #topic Open Discussion | 08:28 |
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| elisha_r | Anyone have a topic to discuss? | 08:28 |
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| lhartal | I have updates for Vitrage UI | 08:29 |
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| lhartal | currently, we want to improve the topology screen | 08:30 |
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| lhartal | we going to add improvments to the sunburst itself | 08:30 |
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| lhartal | lageng for the colors in the sunburst | 08:31 |
| lhartal | lageng = legend | 08:31 |
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| lhartal | and breadcrumb at the top of the screen | 08:32 |
| lhartal | to make it more simple to navigate | 08:32 |
| lhartal | and now we are working on improvements for the Entity Graph.. more updates in the next meeting | 08:34 |
| elisha_r | cool :) | 08:34 |
| elisha_r | I'll just update that we hope to make some changes soon to the names of the panels in the vitrage UI | 08:34 |
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| elisha_r | Specifically, "Entities" will become "Entity Graph", while "Topology" (sunburst) will become "Hierarchies" | 08:35 |
| elisha_r | Any additional proposals are welcome | 08:35 |
| elisha_r | oops - my mistake | 08:36 |
| elisha_r | meant that the enitity graph will now become "Topology" | 08:36 |
| elisha_r | thats it | 08:36 |
| elisha_r | anyone else? | 08:36 |
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| elisha_r | ok, thanks everyone. bye | 08:37 |
| lhartal | read you next week :) | 08:37 |
| elisha_r | :) | 08:37 |
| elisha_r | bye | 08:37 |
| elisha_r | #endmeeting | 08:37 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 29 08:37:50 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-06-29-08.01.html | 08:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-06-29-08.01.txt | 08:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-06-29-08.01.log.html | 08:37 |
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| alex_xu | #startmeeting nova api | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 29 13:00:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alex_xu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_api' | 13:00 |
| alex_xu | who is here today for Nova API? | 13:00 |
| Kevin_Zheng | o/ | 13:00 |
| gmann | o/ | 13:00 |
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| alex_xu | very quiet today, US have holiday recently? | 13:01 |
| gmann | hummm | 13:02 |
| alaski | no, but there's one coming up next monday | 13:02 |
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| alex_xu | alaski: so next week will more quiet than today :) | 13:03 |
| alex_xu | anyway, let's running the meeting | 13:03 |
| alaski | very likely :) | 13:03 |
| alex_xu | we didn't have action from previous meeting | 13:03 |
| alex_xu | #topic API priorities | 13:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "API priorities (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 13:03 | |
| alex_xu | for policy discovery, we have a bunch of patches waiting for review | 13:03 |
| alex_xu | alaski: any important update on that? | 13:04 |
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| alaski | the patches are merging, but there are still a few up | 13:04 |
| alaski | it's looking pretty good for completing | 13:04 |
| alaski | that's all | 13:04 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/policy-in-code | 13:04 |
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| alex_xu | wow, most of them are merged | 13:04 |
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| alex_xu | alaski: i guess the last thing is the cmd for policy discovery, right? | 13:05 |
| gmann | alaski: there will be policy generator tox env right, which merge the existing policy file with default one ? | 13:05 |
| alaski | yeah, we have been pushing last week and this week | 13:05 |
| alaski | alex_xu: that, and what gmann just mentioned | 13:05 |
| alex_xu | alaski: gmann cool | 13:05 |
| gmann | nice | 13:06 |
| alaski | I think claudiub had a patch up for the discovery cmd | 13:06 |
| alex_xu | good progress at here | 13:06 |
| alex_xu | for api ref | 13:06 |
| alaski | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322944/ for reference | 13:06 |
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| woodster_ | o/ | 13:06 |
| alex_xu | alaski: thanks | 13:07 |
| gmann | alaski: thanks, ll check tomorrow morning. | 13:07 |
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| alex_xu | for api-ref, i didn't see any news, except a set of patch waiting for review | 13:07 |
| gmann | alex_xu: yea, little bit slow progress we have on those. | 13:08 |
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| gmann | alex_xu: if you can look this one - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326975/ | 13:08 |
| gmann | alex_xu: I will start giving some time on those next week may be | 13:08 |
| alex_xu | gmann: will try to reach that asap | 13:08 |
| gmann | alex_xu: Thanks :) | 13:09 |
| alex_xu | we have hackathon in China next week, i may spend some time on that also | 13:09 |
| alex_xu | gmann: np | 13:09 |
| alex_xu | for proxy api deprecation, i have a set of patches up at here | 13:09 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/deprecate-api-proxies | 13:10 |
| gmann | alex_xu: cool, can you get more developer on that in hackathon? | 13:10 |
| alex_xu | gmann: i will try that, hope i can attract some developers | 13:10 |
| Kevin_Zheng | i will join | 13:10 |
| gmann | +1 | 13:10 |
| alex_xu | Kevin_Zheng: you are cool :) | 13:11 |
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| alex_xu | All the patches for proxy api deprecation at here | 13:11 |
| alex_xu | but it needs a rebase | 13:11 |
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| gmann | alex_xu: Thanks. ll look into those | 13:12 |
| alex_xu | but I want to leave a space for non-priority features, so rebase after tomorrow, and hope people take a look at those patches are good for merge together or not | 13:12 |
| alex_xu | gmann: thanks | 13:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: gmann: I mean to say, I hope OSIC folks can get back on that api-ref stuff post feature freeze | 13:13 |
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| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: cool :) | 13:13 |
| gmann | johnthetubaguy: very nice. | 13:13 |
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| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: mriedem the patch for proxy deprecation are on the gerrit, hope you guys can take a look at, then we find a time later or next week to merge them all | 13:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, feels like we sneak that in post freeze? | 13:15 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: yea | 13:15 |
| mriedem | +1 on that | 13:16 |
| mriedem | i don't want that to go too long though | 13:16 |
| alex_xu | the last for api prorities is extension deprecation, but sdague isn't here. most of activity patches are merged looks like. | 13:17 |
| alex_xu | mriedem: cool | 13:17 |
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| alex_xu | i think we can check with sdague about extension deprecation when he is back | 13:17 |
| mriedem | extension deprecation or folding? | 13:17 |
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| alex_xu | mriedem: they are on some bp? | 13:18 |
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| alex_xu | s/some/same/ | 13:18 |
| mriedem | i think so yeah | 13:18 |
| alex_xu | for now, it should be folding | 13:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think the spec deferred some bits of it to ocata, which seemed about right | 13:18 |
| mriedem | sort of related, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334053/ needs to be cleaned up | 13:19 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: yea, right | 13:19 |
| mriedem | i could do it, or it could wait for friday | 13:19 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: are we doing a python-novaclient release soon? | 13:19 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: we just did one to get tags support out | 13:20 |
| mriedem | 2 weeks ago | 13:20 |
| mriedem | we'd do a release after ^ though | 13:20 |
| gmann | mriedem: we need proxy API deprecation also on client side right? | 13:20 |
| mriedem | andreykurilin has some things he wants to release for deprecations too | 13:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, I was wondering if we were holding that up | 13:20 |
| mriedem | proxy api deprecation in the client, we were going to discuss at the summit | 13:20 |
| mriedem | s/summit/meetup/ | 13:20 |
| gmann | ok | 13:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | makes sense | 13:20 |
| alex_xu | ok | 13:20 |
| mriedem | there are some notes in the etherpad on that https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-newton-midcycle | 13:21 |
| mriedem | L24 | 13:21 |
| gmann | mriedem: nice, Thanks. | 13:21 |
| gmann | I will try to attend if get budget from company | 13:21 |
| alex_xu | cool | 13:22 |
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| alex_xu | looks good at here, so any more question on api priorities? if not, let's move on | 13:22 |
| alex_xu | i guess the answer is let's move on | 13:24 |
| alex_xu | #topic open | 13:24 |
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| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/305369/ | 13:24 |
| alex_xu | alaski: your turn | 13:24 |
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| alaski | I wanted to bring that up to get the reaction to versioning responses | 13:25 |
| alaski | I wasn't sure if that was a level Nova was planning to get to | 13:25 |
| mriedem | wha | 13:26 |
| alex_xu | at least for now, we can implement different repsonse code with write another new method | 13:26 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I think we have done that be adding new methods, actually maybe we haven't done that much yet | 13:27 |
| alaski | sorry, should have been more specific. response codes, not just reponses | 13:27 |
| alex_xu | so we didn't have very strong requirement for that decorator | 13:27 |
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| mriedem | right what alex_xu said | 13:27 |
| alaski | okay | 13:27 |
| alaski | so that's one aspect, the decorator isn't needed | 13:27 |
| mriedem | we also have separate versioned methods for the expected_errors decorator also | 13:27 |
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| alaski | so we do actually microversion response code changes? I wasn't sure on that | 13:28 |
| alaski | I mean I wasn't sure we made those changes | 13:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think the rules say we have to for success codes, or new error codes? | 13:28 |
| alex_xu | yes, we do | 13:28 |
| gmann | yea, we did for keypair but along with other changes | 13:28 |
| alaski | okay, cool | 13:29 |
| mriedem | same for hypervisors https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326940/16/nova/api/openstack/compute/hypervisors.py | 13:29 |
| mriedem | i posted a comment in the change | 13:29 |
| alaski | thanks | 13:29 |
| alaski | that was it | 13:29 |
| mriedem | i'd prefer we are being explicit about the stuff we do within the methods themselves | 13:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/api_microversion_dev.html#when-do-i-need-a-new-microversion | 13:30 |
| mriedem | rather than magically version a response in a decorator | 13:30 |
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| alex_xu | mriedem: +1 | 13:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 on explicit, where practical | 13:30 |
| gmann | +1, much readable/debugable also | 13:30 |
| edleafe | using a decorator for this seems slick, so probably not a good idea | 13:31 |
| alex_xu | yea | 13:31 |
| mriedem | ok, i left a -1 | 13:31 |
| alaski | agreed on explicit. I haven't reviewed much of the API changes though which is why I wanted to ask about that review | 13:31 |
| alex_xu | if no more question, let's go next item | 13:31 |
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| mriedem | alaski: cdent would probably throw this into a nova-ism for wonky confusing magic wsgi | 13:32 |
| edleafe | mriedem: heh | 13:32 |
| mriedem | i don't disagree though | 13:32 |
| alaski | true | 13:32 |
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| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326326/ | 13:33 |
| alex_xu | Kevin_Zheng: your turn | 13:33 |
| Kevin_Zheng | thanks | 13:33 |
| Kevin_Zheng | I was working on add pagination and timestamp filter for os-instance-actions | 13:34 |
| Kevin_Zheng | alex suggested that for timestamp filter we should use updated_at instead of created_at | 13:34 |
| Kevin_Zheng | which is good | 13:35 |
| Kevin_Zheng | but currently this field is mostly empty | 13:35 |
| Kevin_Zheng | except error occors | 13:35 |
| mriedem | sort by updated_at first, created_at second? | 13:36 |
| Kevin_Zheng | should we sync updated_at to created_at when it is created? | 13:36 |
| mriedem | we don't do that for anything else | 13:36 |
| mriedem | so that would be odd | 13:36 |
| alex_xu | that is due to the new event added to instance-action, the new event is separated db record, so the update_at of instance-action won't update | 13:36 |
| Kevin_Zheng | and also, we only called record_action start | 13:36 |
| Kevin_Zheng | record_action_finish has never been called | 13:36 |
| alex_xu | actually we can sort with updated_at first, then created_at | 13:37 |
| mriedem | hrm | 13:37 |
| mriedem | when we create a new instance action event, we could bump the updated_at on the parent instance action | 13:37 |
| mriedem | just a thought | 13:37 |
| alex_xu | mriedem: yea | 13:37 |
| Kevin_Zheng | yes | 13:37 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | so shoud we do it in a separate patch? | 13:38 |
| Kevin_Zheng | as bug? | 13:38 |
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| mriedem | that seems like a decent separate bug fix | 13:39 |
| Kevin_Zheng | OK then | 13:39 |
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| mriedem | alaski: any issues with that? | 13:39 |
| mriedem | you're the action event guy | 13:39 |
| alaski | from a mechanical pov no, that seems fine | 13:40 |
| alaski | but because events are exposed that might be weird from a ux pov | 13:40 |
| alaski | are not* | 13:40 |
| mriedem | they are | 13:40 |
| mriedem | instance action details | 13:40 |
| mriedem | doffm had to deal with it i think | 13:40 |
| alaski | only for admins, at least by default | 13:40 |
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| alex_xu | so do we still need sync create_at and updated_at? or just sort updated_at first then created_at | 13:40 |
| mriedem | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/openstack/compute/instance_actions.py#L88 | 13:41 |
| alaski | mriedem: line 85 | 13:41 |
| Kevin_Zheng | I think if we want to show updated_at in the response, we have to sync | 13:41 |
| mriedem | alaski: yeah | 13:41 |
| Kevin_Zheng | otherwise updated_at will be empty | 13:41 |
| mriedem | i'm just wondering if ordering by updated_at,created_at will look weird | 13:42 |
| alex_xu | Kevin_Zheng: we need expose that, otherwise user didn't know how to fill the marker parameter | 13:42 |
| Kevin_Zheng | alex_xu: then I suggest we sync that, looks like other projects do that, like heat | 13:42 |
| alaski | I'm on the side of setting updated_at when creating the action | 13:43 |
| mriedem | i think that's weird | 13:43 |
| mriedem | it's a hack for our sorting, which we otherwise wouldn't do | 13:44 |
| edleafe | mriedem: what if it was named 'last_touched'? | 13:44 |
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| mriedem | gross | 13:44 |
| alaski | I've always thought we should do it generally | 13:44 |
| alaski | if we're not going to do that then basing it off of action-events is the next best thing I think | 13:44 |
| mriedem | alaski: as in updating updated_at on the instance action when creating an event for that action? | 13:45 |
| alaski | mriedem: yes | 13:45 |
| mriedem | maybe this is a ML item | 13:46 |
| * mriedem wishes sdague were here for sage advice | 13:46 | |
| alaski | it's on the ML | 13:46 |
| mriedem | touche | 13:46 |
| alex_xu | i think sync create_at and update_at are not just for this patch, it is about all the db model. How about sort updated_at,create_at first. Then discuss create_at and update_at later. | 13:46 |
| alaski | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/098299.html | 13:46 |
| * alaski also misses sdague here | 13:47 | |
| mriedem | i'm trying to think of other parent/child resources like this where we'd update updated_at when changing the child | 13:47 |
| alex_xu | emm...I wish another adivce from sdague for next page also :( | 13:47 |
| mriedem | like instance group member and instance group | 13:47 |
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| mriedem | i need to read the ML and digest there really | 13:48 |
| mriedem | just got online | 13:48 |
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| alaski | yeah, I don't think we do this anywhere else | 13:48 |
| alaski | alex_xu: I agree that this is a more general thing than just instance actions, syncing updated/created | 13:50 |
| alaski | I'm not sure I understand sorting by updated_at, created_at though. Is updated_at ever set? | 13:50 |
| alex_xu | alaski: yea | 13:50 |
| alex_xu | in the beginning, it is not. it will better after Kevin_Zheng fix the sync of action-event's updated_at to action's update_at | 13:51 |
| mriedem | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/db/sqlalchemy/api.py#L5968 | 13:51 |
| mriedem | ^ action finish updates the action | 13:52 |
| Kevin_Zheng | yes but this has never been called by any API | 13:52 |
| alaski | yeah, it's not used yet | 13:52 |
| alex_xu | why that isn't used? | 13:53 |
| alaski | because it's not trivial to determine when an action is finished | 13:53 |
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| alaski | so it hasn't happened yet | 13:53 |
| alaski | there's a proposed, but not approved, spec to do it | 13:53 |
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| mriedem | is that the backlog spec on tasks? | 13:54 |
| alaski | my only real concern with basing it off of action-event syncing is that every action needs at least one event then | 13:54 |
| alaski | mriedem: fortunately not, it's specifically about instance-actions | 13:54 |
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| alaski | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256743/ I think | 13:55 |
| mriedem | i'm not sure why every action would require at least one event | 13:55 |
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| mriedem | you create the action, you create the event + update the parent action | 13:55 |
| alaski | otherwise updated_at wouldn't ever get set | 13:55 |
| mriedem | that's fine if we order by updated_at,created_at | 13:55 |
| alaski | yeah, if created_at is included that works | 13:56 |
| * alex_xu reminds 4 mins left | 13:56 | |
| mriedem | we've got 4 minutes left | 13:56 |
| mriedem | yeah :) | 13:56 |
| alaski | maybe it was https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248248/ I was thinking of | 13:56 |
| mriedem | how about we table this for now, and move it to the ML | 13:56 |
| alaski | +1 | 13:56 |
| Kevin_Zheng | sure | 13:56 |
| alex_xu | +1 | 13:56 |
| Kevin_Zheng | Thanks alto | 13:56 |
| Kevin_Zheng | alot | 13:57 |
| alex_xu | ok, if no more question, let's close the meeting | 13:57 |
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| gmann | 1 have one. | 13:57 |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335349/2 | 13:57 |
| gmann | johnthetubaguy: alex_xu i agree we need version bump here | 13:57 |
| gmann | but m thinking it is worth to bump version for this? | 13:58 |
| alex_xu | gmann: yes, i guess not | 13:58 |
| gmann | or we leave that as it is and do if someone really complain | 13:58 |
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| alex_xu | so keep it as for now | 13:58 |
| gmann | because only cinder is user | 13:58 |
| alex_xu | gmann: yea, i prefer that | 13:58 |
| gmann | alex_xu: ok, cool | 13:58 |
| alex_xu | ok, we have to close the meeting now | 13:59 |
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| alex_xu | thanks all! | 13:59 |
| alex_xu | #endmeeting | 13:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 29 13:59:19 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-06-29-13.00.html | 13:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-06-29-13.00.txt | 13:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-06-29-13.00.log.html | 13:59 |
| gmann | Thanks | 13:59 |
| mriedem | i'm not sure i agree with not bumping the version on a response change, regardless of the user | 13:59 |
| alaski | Kevin_Zheng: alex_xu mriedem just for the record I'm fine either way on the instance-actions thing, though I do have my preference. | 14:00 |
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| acabot | #startmeeting watcher | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 29 14:01:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is acabot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
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| acabot | hi | 14:01 |
| sballe_ | o/ | 14:01 |
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| jinquan1 | hi | 14:01 |
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| gzhai2 | hi | 14:01 |
| acabot | agenda for today #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#06.2F29.2F2016 | 14:01 |
| hanrong1 | hi | 14:01 |
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| edleafe | \o | 14:02 |
| vincentfrancoise | o/ | 14:02 |
| hvprash | hi | 14:02 |
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| acabot | #topic Announcements | 14:02 |
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| sballe_ | One more person joined the meetup: Digambar Patil | 14:03 |
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| jed56 | welcome | 14:03 |
| acabot | welcome Digambar | 14:03 |
| jinquan1 | +1 | 14:03 |
| gzhai2 | welcome | 14:03 |
| sballe_ | +1 | 14:03 |
| hvprash | welcome | 14:03 |
| acabot | working for Intel ? | 14:03 |
| sballe_ | no | 14:04 |
| vincentfrancoise | welcome | 14:04 |
| sballe_ | I am assuming it is diga | 14:04 |
| sballe_ | diga: who are you working for? | 14:04 |
| diga | thanks acabot | 14:04 |
| diga | Persistent | 14:04 |
| sballe_ | cool! | 14:04 |
| diga | sballe_: My name is Digambar | 14:04 |
| diga | :) | 14:04 |
| acabot | thx for the intro | 14:05 |
| diga | Thank you all | 14:05 |
| sballe_ | diga: Yes i know. I was refering to your IRC nickname | 14:05 |
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| diga | sballe_: yep :) | 14:05 |
| acabot | #info Watcher packages are available for Red Hat & Debian | 14:05 |
| gzhai2 | Good news! | 14:06 |
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| acabot | so danpawlik working on puppet packaging managed to have watcher packages for RDO & Debian (experimental) | 14:06 |
| michaelgugino | where are the packages being hosted? | 14:06 |
| acabot | should we update our user doc to mention these packages ? | 14:06 |
| acabot | michaelgugino : https://packages.debian.org/experimental/python-watcherclient for deban | 14:07 |
| vincentfrancoise | acabot: I would say yes | 14:07 |
| vincentfrancoise | we currently have a "Installing from Source" and a "Installing from packages: PyPI" | 14:07 |
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| jed56 | +1 | 14:08 |
| acabot | ok lets create a a new section for it | 14:08 |
| vincentfrancoise | so that would seem kind of logic to add a "Installing from packages: Debian" and so son | 14:08 |
| sballe_ | +1 | 14:08 |
| vincentfrancoise | s/son/on | 14:08 |
| acabot | #action vincentfrancoise add a section "installing from packages" in user guide | 14:08 |
| gzhai2 | Do we need check debian/redhat doc for watcher? | 14:08 |
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| acabot | gzhai2 : what do you mean ? | 14:09 |
| gzhai2 | debian/redhat should have their own openstack doc. | 14:09 |
| jed56 | gzhai2: yes it a good idea to check the doc with the packages | 14:09 |
| gzhai2 | install from rpm, and how to config it. | 14:09 |
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| acabot | anyone wants to test packages ? | 14:10 |
| sballe_ | what version of RDO and debian is Watcher included in? | 14:10 |
| dtardivel | acabot: I can test Debian ones | 14:10 |
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| acabot | sballe_ : its not included...its available | 14:10 |
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| jed56 | 0.27 | 14:10 |
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| acabot | #action dtardivel test Watcher debian packages and update the install doc if needed | 14:11 |
| jed56 | 0.26 sorry | 14:11 |
| gzhai2 | I can try redhat | 14:11 |
| acabot | actually I since Debian has 0.27 & RDO 0.26 :-) | 14:11 |
| dtardivel | jed56: watcher : python-watcher (0.27.0-2) | 14:11 |
| jed56 | ah yes :p | 14:11 |
| acabot | yes this is because RDO wants final release so 0.26 | 14:12 |
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| acabot | #info 2 weeks away from submission deadline, please register as speakers in , we also need to complete descriptions | 14:12 |
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| acabot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Watcher_abstracts_barcelona2016 | 14:12 |
| sballe_ | acabot: I will work on the abstracts this week. | 14:12 |
| acabot | I would like to have 3 speakers for each presentation | 14:13 |
| sballe_ | +1 | 14:13 |
| hvprash | thx for reminding. will update it | 14:13 |
| acabot | #action sballe_ work on the abstracts for Barcelona summit | 14:13 |
| sballe_ | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Watcher_abstracts_barcelona2016 | 14:13 |
| acabot | sballe_ : thx | 14:13 |
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| acabot | dont forget that if the presentation is accepted, every speaker will get a free pass ;-) | 14:14 |
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| acabot | #info a first draft of mid-cycle agenda is available | 14:14 |
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| acabot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-watcher-midcycle | 14:14 |
| acabot | feel free to add topics you would like to discuss | 14:15 |
| edleafe | acabot: Did Watcher contributors not get ATC passes? | 14:15 |
| acabot | there is still a lot of space in the agenda | 14:15 |
| acabot | edleafe : actually yes | 14:15 |
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| acabot | edleafe : some of them at least | 14:15 |
| jed56 | edleafe: yes | 14:16 |
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| jed56 | we have | 14:16 |
| edleafe | OK, good. That's one of the benefits of being in the big tent :) | 14:16 |
| jed56 | edleafe: +1 | 14:16 |
| sballe_ | +1 | 14:16 |
| acabot | edleafe : yes it is but to my understanting, it was related to the previous cycle... | 14:16 |
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| edleafe | Previous, and current up to the date they send out the ATC codes | 14:17 |
| acabot | edleafe : ok | 14:17 |
| acabot | #info Watcher should respect the Nova policies spec has been discussed with the Nova scheduler team | 14:17 |
| edleafe | Since Watcher was in before then, I figured you should be good | 14:17 |
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| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329873/ | 14:17 |
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| acabot | edleafe : thx Ed for adding it to the agenda | 14:18 |
| acabot | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-06-27-14.00.log.html | 14:18 |
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| michaelgugino | I have already received ATC from other projects, fyi | 14:18 |
| acabot | as next steps, bauzas suggests that we drop a line about watcher in Nova mid-cycle agenda #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-scheduler | 14:18 |
| michaelgugino | for this cycle, I mean. | 14:18 |
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| sballe_ | acabot: +1 | 14:19 |
| edleafe | acabot: yes, this will certainly be discussed at the midcycle | 14:19 |
| acabot | and we submit a backlog spec #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/backlog/ | 14:19 |
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| acabot | to explain our problem | 14:19 |
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| edleafe | No schedule is set yet, but when it is, it would probably be a good time to come join us | 14:20 |
| edleafe | since we'll be in the same building | 14:20 |
| edleafe | :) | 14:20 |
| acabot | edleafe : do you think having a backlog spec on Nova side is a good way to progress ? | 14:20 |
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| edleafe | Sure - it will give people some background | 14:20 |
| acabot | ok | 14:20 |
| jed56 | ok | 14:21 |
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| acabot | #action jed56 acabot submit a backlog spec for Nova regarding policies management in Watcher | 14:21 |
| acabot | any other announcement ? | 14:21 |
| acabot | #topic Review Action Items | 14:21 |
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| acabot | Update the continuously optimization spec needs reviews from core as its already implemented | 14:22 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330021/ | 14:22 |
| acabot | sballe_ : can you look at it and W+1 ? | 14:22 |
| sballe_ | yes | 14:22 |
| acabot | #action sballe_ review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330021/ | 14:22 |
| acabot | Cluster model objects wrapper needs reviews from core | 14:23 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287019/ | 14:23 |
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| sballe_ | ok add me to this one too | 14:23 |
| acabot | #action sballe_ jwcroppe review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287019/ | 14:23 |
| acabot | Graph model describing virtual and physical elements in a data center & Consolidation of multiple Action-plans into a single one need reviews | 14:23 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298891/ | 14:23 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298871/ | 14:24 |
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| acabot | sballe_ : we have to discuss about the implementation of these specs from Intel | 14:24 |
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| sballe_ | I'll review those too since I am preparing a talk about Intel's contribution to Watcher | 14:24 |
| acabot | sballe_ : I will add it to midcycle agenda | 14:24 |
| sballe_ | make sense. the person implementing them will be at the mid-cycle | 14:25 |
| acabot | #action sballe_ review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298891/ & https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298871/ | 14:25 |
| sballe_ | and so will Thijs | 14:25 |
| acabot | sballe_ : great ;-) | 14:25 |
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| jed56 | I'm starting to review 298871 | 14:25 |
| acabot | moving to Watcher | 14:25 |
| acabot | #action jed56 review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298871/ | 14:25 |
| acabot | Enable strategy parameters is in progress, test feedback requested | 14:26 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297556/ | 14:26 |
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| acabot | vincentfrancoise : I think you are still testing it dont you ? | 14:26 |
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| vincentfrancoise | acabot: actually it was more dtardivel who was doing the testing on this | 14:26 |
| dtardivel | acabot: I tested it on devstack as well | 14:27 |
| gzhai2 | dtardivel: any issue? | 14:27 |
| dtardivel | no, except data output format on console. Please see the last review | 14:27 |
| acabot | #action gzhai2 add a new PS to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297556/ | 14:28 |
| acabot | Add continuously optimization needs reviews from core | 14:28 |
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| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/321411/ | 14:28 |
| acabot | I this this has been reviewed and so can be merged asap | 14:28 |
| acabot | s/this/think | 14:28 |
| acabot | along with the spec :-D | 14:29 |
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| acabot | Add scoring engines to database and API layers needs reviews | 14:29 |
| jed56 | acabot: IMHO, we will be able to merged it soon | 14:29 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330382/ | 14:29 |
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| jed56 | you can add me | 14:30 |
| vincentfrancoise | I did some reviews on this one | 14:30 |
| acabot | tkaczynski : you just submited a new PS, still waiting for reviews I suppose | 14:30 |
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| acabot | #action jed56 review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330382/ | 14:30 |
| sballe_ | add me 2 | 14:30 |
| acabot | #action sballe_ review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330382/ | 14:30 |
| tkaczynski | I think I need to add some tests before it can be made +2 | 14:31 |
| acabot | tkaczynski : ok | 14:31 |
| acabot | do you know your current coverage ? | 14:31 |
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| tkaczynski | I will try to do this this week, so we can close that. Vincent sent me the coverage. can I get that locally too? | 14:31 |
| vincentfrancoise | tkaczynski: yes | 14:32 |
| jed56 | tkaczynski: tox -e cover | 14:32 |
| tkaczynski | great, thanks | 14:32 |
| acabot | #action tkaczynski add tests for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330382/ | 14:32 |
| acabot | Add policies for API access control to watcher project needs reviews | 14:32 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334163/ | 14:32 |
| jed56 | we should add a new rule in the gate each new patchset have to improve the code coverage :p | 14:32 |
| sballe_ | +1 | 14:33 |
| acabot | hanrong1 : thx for this 1st contribution to watcher ! | 14:33 |
| acabot | hanrong1 : you also need to add tests ;-) | 14:33 |
| vincentfrancoise | jed56: I tried to find some coverage ratcheting jobs but there was none | 14:34 |
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| acabot | Add rally-jobs folder to get rally support needs new tests | 14:34 |
| jed56 | vincentfrancoise: okay :) | 14:34 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333371/ | 14:34 |
| acabot | a lot of tests missing today ! | 14:34 |
| dtardivel | acabot: yes I asked to hanrong1 to push a new pachset on watcher-dasboard which is able to handle watcher policies | 14:35 |
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| hanrong1 | acabot: Thank you for all help | 14:35 |
| acabot | #action hanrong1 submit a new PS on watcher-dashboard to handle policies | 14:35 |
| tkaczynski | thanks guys for my reviews too! :) | 14:35 |
| hanrong1 | hanrong1: I will submit a new patch set for tests. | 14:36 |
| acabot | #action hanrong1 submit a new patch set for tests on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334163/ | 14:36 |
| acabot | Enable strategy parameter needs a new PS | 14:36 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297557 | 14:36 |
| acabot | #action gzhai2 submit a new PS for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297557 | 14:37 |
| acabot | Add scoring engine commands needs reviews | 14:37 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330385/ | 14:37 |
| acabot | #action jed56 sballe_ review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330385/ | 14:37 |
| acabot | same reviewers for the CLI ;-) | 14:38 |
| acabot | Add support continuously-optimization needs a new PS | 14:38 |
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| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327095/ | 14:38 |
| acabot | anyone know the IRC nick for Vladimir ? | 14:39 |
| acabot | dtardivel : can you review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327095/ as you will be working on the dashboard ? | 14:39 |
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| dtardivel | acabot: yes of course | 14:40 |
| vincentfrancoise | acabot: he's not connected but that was something like ostroverkhov | 14:40 |
| acabot | #action dtardivel review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327095/ | 14:40 |
| acabot | vincentfrancoise : an easy one ;-) | 14:40 |
| acabot | I forgot to mention WIP around https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/persistent-audit-parameters | 14:41 |
| acabot | hvprash michaelgugino : are you waiting for reviews on your code ? | 14:42 |
| hvprash | acabot, yeah its in progress. hoping for review next week :) | 14:42 |
| hvprash | we are not yet done | 14:42 |
| acabot | hvprash : ok thx | 14:42 |
| michaelgugino | no, I'm not. There are some good reviews already, I am going to work on the patch this week | 14:42 |
| acabot | great | 14:42 |
| acabot | #topic Blueprint/Bug Review and Discussion | 14:42 |
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| acabot | #info our current milestone is Newton-2 (due July 11th) | 14:43 |
| acabot | #link https://launchpad.net/watcher/+milestone/newton-2 | 14:43 |
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| acabot | as we are 2 weeks away from the release, we need to focus on code reviewing and bug fixes | 14:43 |
| acabot | we should probably postpone to Newton-3 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/persistent-audit-parameters | 14:44 |
| acabot | and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/cluster-model-objects-wrapper | 14:44 |
| acabot | tkaczynski : what about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/scoring-module ? | 14:45 |
| acabot | hvprash : what do you think about your BP ? | 14:45 |
| hvprash | I need to add more details on our use case | 14:45 |
| hvprash | then we could discuss | 14:46 |
| vincentfrancoise | acabot: does that mean we shouldn't accept any pending changeset from these BPs? | 14:46 |
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| vincentfrancoise | because the 1st part of my BP could be merged before then I believe | 14:46 |
| acabot | vincentfrancoise : no the idea is to focus our effort on completing BPs | 14:46 |
| hvprash | acabot, assuming you are asking about this https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/workload-prioritization-qos | 14:46 |
| tkaczynski | acabot: I'm working on it and making progress. will have code for review soon, maybe next week? | 14:46 |
| acabot | hvprash : this one will be discussed during the mid-cycle as its a 'large-scope" BP | 14:47 |
| hvprash | yes | 14:47 |
| acabot | tkaczynski : ok as the freeze will be end of next week, I dont think we will be able to have it in this release | 14:48 |
| tkaczynski | acabot: strictly speaking probably not, but soon after. is that okay? | 14:48 |
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| acabot | vincentfrancoise : we will merge Part 1 if there is no dependency with parts 2 & 3 | 14:49 |
| acabot | tkaczynski : in that case it will be Newton-3, I'm fine with that | 14:49 |
| tkaczynski | but we can merge first 2 changesets | 14:49 |
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| vincentfrancoise | acabot: no there's none, that's why I already pushed the doc regarding this part | 14:49 |
| jed56 | acabot: there is no dependency | 14:49 |
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| acabot | good to know, in this case we will merge vincentfrancoise & tkaczynski current code | 14:50 |
| acabot | 10 minutes left for open discussions | 14:50 |
| acabot | #topic Open Discussion | 14:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 14:51 | |
| acabot | Global Requirement: is watcher-dashboard project automatically sync with OS Global Requirements ? | 14:51 |
| diga | acabot: I am setting up watcher. I am going through the doc it seems you have lot of planned things. I would like to contribute to this project as I have some ideas also but I will start with adding bug fixes or whichever you think better place for me to start | 14:51 |
| acabot | #undo | 14:51 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x7f2b3608a490> | 14:51 |
| acabot | I forgot to mention that we have bugs open in triaged state | 14:51 |
| diga | okay | 14:52 |
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| sballe_ | diga: I am also setting up watcher in my own lab s | 14:52 |
| acabot | diga : please have a look at https://launchpad.net/watcher/+milestone/newton-2 | 14:52 |
| hanrong1 | dtardivel: Is adding policies to watcher-dasboard a part of BP watcher-policies | 14:52 |
| acabot | we should have low-hanging-fruit | 14:52 |
| dtardivel | acabot: we should sync watcher-dashboard, as discusses with vincentfrancoise offline. | 14:53 |
| dtardivel | hanrong1: yes | 14:53 |
| diga | acabot: that should be good starting place | 14:53 |
| acabot | diga : https://bugs.launchpad.net/watcher/+bugs?field.tag=low-hanging-fruit | 14:53 |
| diga | sballe_: I am setting it with devstack but it seems watche many configuration params | 14:53 |
| acabot | dtardivel : are you still talking about policies ? | 14:53 |
| sballe_ | diga: yeah same here | 14:54 |
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| diga | acabot: thanks I will pick some | 14:54 |
| dtardivel | acabot: sorry. sync with globla requirements | 14:54 |
| acabot | ok let me move back to open discussions | 14:54 |
| acabot | #topic Open discussion | 14:54 |
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| acabot | Global Requirement: is watcher-dashboard project automatically sync with OS Global Requirements ? | 14:54 |
| dtardivel | acabot: yes it should be :) | 14:55 |
| acabot | dtardivel vincentfrancoise : ok so you agreed that we should do it | 14:55 |
| acabot | any comment on this ? | 14:55 |
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| vincentfrancoise | dtardivel: +1 | 14:55 |
| acabot | #action dtardivel add OS global requirements to watcher-dashboard | 14:56 |
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| acabot | How to deal with packaging (puppet) when updating conf parameters ? | 14:56 |
| acabot | we probably need danpawlik on this | 14:56 |
| acabot | the problem is that we need to maintain puppet recipes now | 14:57 |
| acabot | and Watcher parameters are still evolving | 14:57 |
| jed56 | acabot: IMHO,we have to carefully write the "deployer impact" section in the specs | 14:58 |
| acabot | jed56 : ok | 14:58 |
| jed56 | acabot: how to notify the pupper maintainers ? | 14:59 |
| acabot | we will probably discuss it again in the rc-final version as packaging will be tested | 14:59 |
| jed56 | s/pupper/puppet | 14:59 |
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| jed56 | do we need to create bugs ? | 14:59 |
| dtardivel | jed56: acabot there is no specific tag in commit message related to packaging | 14:59 |
| jed56 | dtardivel: ah :( | 15:00 |
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| acabot | #action acabot ask packaging team how to deal with parameters | 15:00 |
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| acabot | time to end | 15:00 |
| acabot | thx | 15:00 |
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| acabot | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 29 15:00:37 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-06-29-14.01.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-06-29-14.01.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-06-29-14.01.log.html | 15:00 |
| sballe_ | bye | 15:00 |
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| vincentfrancoise | bye | 15:00 |
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| tkaczynski | bye | 15:00 |
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| jed56 | bye | 15:01 |
| serverascode | #startmeeting operators_telco_nfv | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 29 15:01:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is serverascode. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| gzhai2 | bye | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: operators_telco_nfv)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'operators_telco_nfv' | 15:01 |
| serverascode | #topic rollcall | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: operators_telco_nfv)" | 15:01 | |
| serverascode | if anyone is here for the ops telcom/nfv meeting let me know :) | 15:01 |
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| ulik | #info Uli Kleber | 15:01 |
| ulik | Hi, I am from OPNFV | 15:02 |
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| serverascode | hi ulik :) | 15:02 |
| ulik | Thank you for the email reminder ... sometimes hard to find things in openstack | 15:02 |
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| serverascode | yeah for sure :) | 15:03 |
| serverascode | we'll wait a few min to see if anyone else shows up, we are still a new group | 15:03 |
| ulik | sorry I didn't join earlier after the BOF at Austin | 15:03 |
| serverascode | no worries :) it was a busy week | 15:03 |
| PerfectChaos | Ops hat on and ready to go~ | 15:04 |
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| serverascode | ah cool | 15:04 |
| serverascode | maybe one more min then we'll get started | 15:05 |
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| serverascode | #topic last meeting actions | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "last meeting actions (Meeting topic: operators_telco_nfv)" | 15:05 | |
| serverascode | so we had two actions from last week | 15:06 |
| serverascode | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_telco_nfv/2016/operators_telco_nfv.2016-06-15-15.00.html | 15:06 |
| serverascode | ACTION: serverascode to email to operators list when we know when the opnfv ops bof will be (serverascode, 15:16:36) | 15:06 |
| serverascode | I did email the list when we found out when the bof was so that was done | 15:06 |
| serverascode | and then | 15:06 |
| serverascode | ACTION: PerfectChaos to try writing a first version of a group mission statement or purpose (serverascode, 15:33:22) | 15:07 |
| serverascode | was the second | 15:07 |
| serverascode | PerfectChaos how did that go? :) | 15:07 |
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| PerfectChaos | It was... like I said at the time, I'm not used to that sort of writing, so it's very much a first draft as a starting point... | 15:07 |
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| serverascode | yeah for sure, it's just a "strawman/person" as they say | 15:07 |
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| serverascode | it's not easy that is for sure | 15:08 |
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| PerfectChaos | Okay, let's get it showing up in the minutes... | 15:08 |
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| serverascode | sure | 15:09 |
| PerfectChaos | #info Very much a first draft of the mission statement, as a starting point for discussion and consideration: | 15:09 |
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| PerfectChaos | #info The OpenStack Operators Telecom and NFV Working Group aims to effect enhancements to OpenStack which benefit operators specifically running telecommunication services and Network Function Virtualization (NFV) on top of OpenStack. These services have their own particular problems and challenges which are less obvious to those not running them, and therefore are less likely to receive developer attention. The Working Group thus aims to | 15:09 |
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| PerfectChaos | #info To achieve this, with each release the group identifies the issues most commonly faced by telecommunications and NFV operators and for each ensures that action is being taken to address it in an appropriate way, including liaising with developers, raising and highlighting bug reports and chasing up pending work. For each release the Working Group will produce a record of issues identified, what is being done to resolve them and an ex | 15:09 |
| PerfectChaos | ...that's your lot. | 15:10 |
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| serverascode | ok, might have got cut off at the end there, "and an ex..." | 15:10 |
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| serverascode | but that definitely looks like a great start | 15:11 |
| PerfectChaos | #info If that got cut off, it should conclude: For each release the Working Group will produce a record of issues identified, what is being done to resolve them and an expected timescale for improvement. | 15:11 |
| ulik | yes. Great start. | 15:11 |
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| serverascode | ok, so what I think I'll do is take that and put it into an etherpad and send it out to the ops list and get some comments perhaps and we can revisit next meeting :) | 15:11 |
| serverascode | thanks so much PerfectChaos | 15:12 |
| * PerfectChaos nods | 15:12 | |
| PerfectChaos | No problem. | 15:12 |
| ulik | sorry for my not knowing. Should I be on some mailing list to receive that? | 15:12 |
| serverascode | right, being this an an openstack ops working group, it's best to also be on the operators list | 15:13 |
| serverascode | #link http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators | 15:13 |
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| serverascode | it's yet another mailing lits, but we'll be figuring out a good tag for emails so they can be filtered | 15:13 |
| serverascode | the ops list is actually fairly low traffic | 15:13 |
| serverascode | any other thoughts on this topic? | 15:14 |
| serverascode | will wait about a min | 15:14 |
| ulik | I can deal with that. | 15:15 |
| ulik | Actually I didn't subscribe because I thought it was cloud datacenter operators there. | 15:15 |
| serverascode | it's really for anyone who designs, deploys, operators, maintains openstack clouds, could be in test as well such as OPNFV | 15:15 |
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| PerfectChaos | It seems to be a mix of anybody who does anything remotely Ops-y. | 15:16 |
| serverascode | there are lots of little clouds out there too | 15:16 |
| serverascode | yeah for sure | 15:16 |
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| serverascode | #topic opnfv summit bof | 15:16 |
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| serverascode | just to quickly mention the bof, opnfv was kind enough to offer a table for a bof, but there was only a couple of us there | 15:17 |
| serverascode | specifically myself and shinto who couldn't make it today | 15:17 |
| serverascode | we also had an openstack community panel with myself, the tacker ptl, and the neutron ptl | 15:17 |
| serverascode | not too much else to mention, but thanks to opnfv for the support :) | 15:18 |
| serverascode | #topic mailing list tag | 15:18 |
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| ulik | I can communicate that with the OPNFV community. | 15:18 |
| ulik | Are there any good inputs from the BOF? I missed a lot of such sessions in Berlin. | 15:18 |
| serverascode | great thanks ulik :) | 15:19 |
| serverascode | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/opnfv-ops-bof | 15:19 |
| serverascode | not so much, as it was just me and shinto talking about openstack and telecoms and such | 15:19 |
| serverascode | I took a few notes | 15:19 |
| serverascode | in that link above | 15:20 |
| ulik | So OPNFV folks were not on the BOF :( | 15:20 |
| serverascode | technically no :) | 15:20 |
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| ulik | pity. We have to get better there. | 15:20 |
| serverascode | no worries, it's still early for this wg, as well as OPNFV, and openstack in telecoms | 15:21 |
| serverascode | it's going to take some work :) | 15:21 |
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| serverascode | I jumped topics too early :) | 15:21 |
| serverascode | but one thing I want to do is set a good tag for the ops mailing list, ie. you put [something] in your email subject | 15:22 |
| ulik | I'll put this on my personal goals on the OPNFV side. | 15:22 |
| serverascode | that's awesome ulik :) | 15:22 |
| ulik | Yes. [something] is a nice tag :D | 15:22 |
| serverascode | I was thinking [ops-telecom] would be simple, anyone have any ideas? | 15:22 |
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| serverascode | is that seems ok then I think we just run with that for awhile | 15:23 |
| ulik | I still find "ops" misleading. | 15:23 |
| serverascode | ah, right, the telecom operators issue | 15:23 |
| ulik | What about [telco-nfv] | 15:23 |
| serverascode | yeah, [telecom-nfv] would be fine with me, the only thing is that the openstack foundation told me to use telecom instead of telco | 15:24 |
| serverascode | so [telco-nfv] works? | 15:24 |
| serverascode | I mean [telecom-nfv] | 15:24 |
| ulik | I would expect so. But one thought. It might be interesting if we | 15:25 |
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| ulik | can use the same tag also on OPNFV mailing lists. | 15:25 |
| serverascode | for sure, that's a good idea | 15:25 |
| serverascode | and [telecom-nfv] would work there as well? | 15:26 |
| ulik | Since all OPNFV thinks they are [telecom-nfv], that might be not helpful on their side. | 15:26 |
| serverascode | ah, right | 15:26 |
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| ulik | But having [openstack-something] in a openstack mailing list might be weird. | 15:26 |
| ulik | So I don't know how to resolve. | 15:26 |
| serverascode | hmmm | 15:26 |
| PerfectChaos | It may be that the contexts are disparate enough that we should just use separate tags, then? | 15:27 |
| ulik | Probably. | 15:27 |
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| ulik | Then let's try [telecom-nfv] | 15:27 |
| PerfectChaos | In terms of filters, I don't think it makes it any more or less complicated whether they're the same or not. | 15:27 |
| ulik | true | 15:27 |
| serverascode | right | 15:27 |
| serverascode | ok, so perhaps we start with [telecom-nfv] for the openstack ops list and work on what we might be able to use on the opnfv list | 15:28 |
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| ulik | I will recommend to OPNFV people then to join OpenStack-operators list and listen to [telecom-nfv] tag. | 15:28 |
| serverascode | #agreed use [telecom-nfv] for the openstack operators email list | 15:28 |
| ulik | Maybe we can attract some more guys. | 15:29 |
| ulik | Should I tell them something else? | 15:29 |
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| serverascode | no that sounds great | 15:29 |
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| serverascode | ok, great | 15:30 |
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| serverascode | #action serverascode set [telecom-nfv] tag | 15:30 |
| serverascode | #topic open discussion | 15:30 |
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| vhoward | Wanted to ask if anyone would like to help with the ops/arch guides, we have a meeting tomorrow and here is the wiki...always looking for folks to help out/chime in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/OpsGuide | 15:31 |
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| vhoward | thanks | 15:31 |
| ulik | feel free to action me to share this with OPNFV folks. | 15:31 |
| ulik | :D | 15:31 |
| serverascode | #action ulik share operators list and tag with OPNFV folks | 15:31 |
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| serverascode | hi vhoward :) | 15:31 |
| serverascode | yeah the ops/arch guide is interesting, I was thinking one of the things that would come out of this wg would be documentation perhaps | 15:32 |
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| serverascode | #info ops/arch guide team having a meeting Thu June 30 | 15:33 |
| serverascode | anyone else have any other topics to discuss? | 15:34 |
| vhoward | awesome thank you | 15:34 |
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| serverascode | will wait another minute or so | 15:35 |
| serverascode | vhoward I will try to come by the ops/arch meeting :) | 15:35 |
| serverascode | ulik, PerfectChaos thanks so much for coming by today, and for your help | 15:35 |
| ulik | I will try to join as regularly as I can. | 15:36 |
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| serverascode | ok ending meeting :) | 15:36 |
| ulik | Nice meeting you guys. Sorry I didn't meet u f2f in Berlin .... :( | 15:36 |
| serverascode | #endmeeting | 15:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 29 15:36:36 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_telco_nfv/2016/operators_telco_nfv.2016-06-29-15.01.html | 15:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_telco_nfv/2016/operators_telco_nfv.2016-06-29-15.01.txt | 15:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_telco_nfv/2016/operators_telco_nfv.2016-06-29-15.01.log.html | 15:36 |
| serverascode | thanks everyone! | 15:36 |
| PerfectChaos | No problem. | 15:37 |
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| sdake | #startmeeting kolla | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 29 16:00:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| sdake | #topic rollcall | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 16:00 |
| sdake | \o/ ;) | 16:00 |
| inc0_ | o/ | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:00 | |
| mandre | ola | 16:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 16:00 |
| coolsvap | \o/ | 16:00 |
| inc0_ | SergeyLukjanov, nice to see you:) | 16:00 |
| pbourke-mobile | Hi | 16:00 |
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| akwasnie | Hi | 16:01 |
| Jeffrey4l | o/ | 16:01 |
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| vhosakot | o/ | 16:01 |
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| sdake | #topic announcements | 16:01 |
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| sdake | 1. midcycle is July 12, 13th at Ansible HQ | 16:01 |
| sdake | make sure to book travel asap | 16:01 |
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| sdake | under 14 days the fares go up | 16:02 |
| wirehead_ | o/ | 16:02 |
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| sdake | any other announcements? | 16:02 |
| britthouser | o/ | 16:02 |
| coolsvap | most of the images are pushed to kolla repo on docker hub | 16:02 |
| britthouser | Barcelona hotels are available...just FYI. | 16:03 |
| sdake | #topic review backlog / bug backlog / blueprint backlog | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "review backlog / bug backlog / blueprint backlog (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:03 | |
| sdake | we have a tremendous amount of work in our backlog | 16:03 |
| sdake | most of the reviews without -1's seem to be moving quckly | 16:03 |
| sdake | we have approximately 200 bugs outstanding | 16:04 |
| sdake | struggling to handle the workload myself - need help with triage | 16:04 |
| sdake | we have about 80 blueprints outstanding | 16:04 |
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| sdake | anyone have solutions to these problems? :) | 16:04 |
| vhosakot | sdake: I'll triage them today and pick some | 16:05 |
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| coolsvap | we need some more active participation during reviews | 16:05 |
| sdake | i was looking more for solutions to managing the workload | 16:05 |
| coolsvap | if you see the bug change it there itself | 16:06 |
| mandre | other than spending time doing code review and triage bugs, I don't see how to decrease the backlog | 16:06 |
| vhosakot | sdake: we're talking about managing n2 workload right? https://launchpad.net/kolla/+milestone/newton-2 | 16:06 |
| sdake | vhosakot yup but there are a slew of bugs in n1 that i haven;t moed over yet | 16:06 |
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| sdake | because clicking launchpad sucks | 16:07 |
| sdake | and there are hundreds of them | 16:07 |
| coolsvap | we need to move from n1 | 16:07 |
| sdake | i do about 30 a d ay ;) | 16:07 |
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| coolsvap | sdake, i take the action to triage all n1 bus | 16:07 |
| coolsvap | bugs | 16:07 |
| sdake | wht i'm getting at is i'd like all the core reviewers to be active in hepling out on all this activity | 16:07 |
| coolsvap | and move them appropriately | 16:07 |
| vhosakot | ok, let us first move high-priority bugs from n1 to n2 and fix outstanding n1 bugs... we can share this effot | 16:07 |
| sdake | open bugs should not be in n1, n1 is closed | 16:07 |
| sdake | the reality is this project is very large now and too much work for one person to handle lal of launchpad | 16:08 |
| sdake | we have 300+ people contributors in the last year | 16:08 |
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| sdake | if there is anything you cn do to help out on a continual basis, that owudl be great | 16:08 |
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| sdake | one tie mwork is helpful | 16:08 |
| sdake | dont get me wrong | 16:09 |
| sdake | but i'm looking for a permanent solution :) | 16:09 |
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| sdake | i was also thinking it might be time to have the non-nuclear spec option (only require 2 +2s) for new work - we can discuss more at midcycle | 16:09 |
| sdake | but start thinking about it | 16:09 |
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| coolsvap_ | sorry got disconnected | 16:09 |
| coolsvap_ | i think we need people to constantly do this | 16:09 |
| coolsvap_ | rather than doing it once | 16:09 |
| sdake | coolsvap_ ++ | 16:10 |
| wirehead_ | Create a day-by-day rotation where members of core pick a day to triage like your life depended on it? | 16:10 |
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| sdake | i think if we just accept triage as part of our workload it would help me alot ) | 16:10 |
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| sdake | ok enough compaining | 16:11 |
| sdake | if you can help - please do ;) | 16:11 |
| sdake | if you can't, I understand | 16:11 |
| mandre | I've not been the most active contributor lately... sorry for that. | 16:11 |
| coolsvap_ | sdake, ++ | 16:11 |
| sdake | SergeyLukjanov you want to go next or shoudl we do our midcycle brainstorming next | 16:11 |
| sdake | SergeyLukjanov up to you | 16:11 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | sdake as you wish | 16:11 |
| sdake | #topic universal containers | 16:12 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "universal containers (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:12 | |
| sdake | so the idea of universal containers - I think the core team is all in agreement that we want that model | 16:12 |
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| sdake | that is why we have na abi today | 16:12 |
| inc0_ | SergeyLukjanov, you're up | 16:12 |
| sdake | ithink if I read the review correctly the problelm is around separte repos | 16:12 |
| pbourke-mobile | Can you define that? | 16:12 |
| sdake | of which ther ehasn't been a real good explination of the 5 ws of that | 16:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | based on the current discussion it seems like one of the most arguable topics is repo per component and so I think it should be moved out of current spec | 16:13 |
| sdake | (what/where/when/how/why) | 16:13 |
| sdake | especially the why | 16:13 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | the main points from my side are about containers - deployer separation and bootstrap separation | 16:13 |
| inc0_ | SergeyLukjanov, agree, so as for universal containers, that was one of things we tried to do from day 1 | 16:13 |
| inc0_ | technically current containers should be deployer-agnostic | 16:14 |
| inc0_ | which was partially proven by both tripleo and mesos | 16:14 |
| sdake | define deployer separation SergeyLukjanov | 16:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | inc0_ yeah, I understand, it's as always about different point of views | 16:14 |
| inc0_ | bootstrap separation - I'd leave this out till we figure out what would be architecture of separated one | 16:14 |
| sdake | you mean extracting the ansible code to a separate repo? | 16:14 |
| inc0_ | also we need to keep upgrades working | 16:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | sdake #1 separate repos and #2 no ansible bootstraping | 16:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | if keep it short | 16:15 |
| sdake | separate repo is doable | 16:15 |
| pbourke-mobile | Ansible is not required for bootstrapping | 16:15 |
| sdake | i dont understand the no ansible bootstrapping | 16:15 |
| sdake | we dont rqeuire that at all | 16:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | sdake but it's embedded into containers? | 16:15 |
| inc0_ | yeah, for convenience | 16:16 |
| sdake | ansible is embedded in olla-toolbox true | 16:16 |
| inc0_ | so you start container with BOOTSTRAP env | 16:16 |
| sdake | other then that it is not | 16:16 |
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| inc0_ | and kolla-toolbox for stuff like creation of users | 16:16 |
| kfox1111_ | yeah. there is no ansible in the containers other then the kolla-toolbox container. | 16:16 |
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| inc0_ | but if you want to do this all on your own, totally doable, just don't spawn container with BOOTSTRAP env | 16:16 |
| kfox1111_ | which you shouldn't need if you are doing orchestration with puppet. | 16:16 |
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| sdake | SergeyLukjanov but yuor goal isn't puppet orchestration, right? | 16:17 |
| kfox1111_ | I've manully spawned a ceph with kolla containers and horizon. :) | 16:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | okay, but still containers contains bootstraping | 16:17 |
| sdake | it does contain bootstrapping | 16:17 |
| Jeffrey4l | bootstraping is just run a one-shot container then remove it. it is nothing to do with ansible. | 16:17 |
| pbourke-mobile | You can disable that | 16:17 |
| inc0_ | SergeyLukjanov, optional...why is that wrong? | 16:17 |
| kfox1111_ | yeah. and that boostrap shoudl go I think. | 16:17 |
| sdake | in order to use it, you have to specify BOOtSTRAP env var | 16:17 |
| pbourke-mobile | With one env var | 16:17 |
| sdake | if you do not it does nothing | 16:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | sorry for the bad wording - I mean not *Ansible* bootstraping but bootstraping itself | 16:18 |
| sdake | kfox1111_ have to tihnk about upgrades in that model | 16:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | while different tools used for deployment - different bootstraping approaches used | 16:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | as well as different topologies and configurations | 16:18 |
| sdake | i am not keen on external bootstrapping or database management | 16:18 |
| sdake | too easy for schemas to get out of sync | 16:18 |
| inc0_ | SergeyLukjanov, and it's totally possible even now | 16:18 |
| kfox1111_ | sdake: sure. I'm not sure bootstrapping is the best way to do upgrades anyway though. | 16:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | inc0_ it's possible but mixed with containers itself | 16:19 |
| inc0_ | as I said, dont run containers with BOOTSTRAP env | 16:19 |
| kfox1111_ | I think the bootstrap thing shoudl be a different container. like a k8s job. spawn, let it run, then destroy. | 16:19 |
| wirehead_ | Yeah, to look at some of the bootstrapping I’ve helped make work in kolla-kubernetes, I’m not sure you can treat bootstrapping as a separable issue. | 16:19 |
| inc0_ | SergeyLukjanov, so let's say mariadb | 16:19 |
| inc0_ | you can just run mariadb with predefined volumes | 16:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | but you'll still have bootstrap scripts in containers and they are located in the same folder with Dockerfile and managed together | 16:19 |
| inc0_ | kolla_bootsrap would create root user and such | 16:19 |
| wirehead_ | It’s significantly safer to do it in a consistent fashion from inside of the containers than it is to insist that it meet some magical definition of separable. | 16:19 |
| sdake | SergeyLukjanov are you concerned that someone would trigger that bootstrap code? | 16:20 |
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| rhallisey | hey | 16:20 |
| pbourke-mobile | Hey Ryan | 16:20 |
| wirehead_ | e.g. MariaDB containers probably need the same consistent set of CLI tools to provision themselves. | 16:20 |
| inc0_ | SergeyLukjanov, so all you guys have to do in separate project is to make sure you're aligned with bootstrap method out there | 16:20 |
| kfox1111_ | wirehead_: I'm more worried from the standpoint of, something desides to do something overly clevor and reinints something it shouldnt. | 16:20 |
| inc0_ | also I think you can't really bootstrap mysql outside of container | 16:20 |
| inc0_ | as no root user exists | 16:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | sdake my concern is that it's a deployment tool specific code inside containers, it isn't most critical thing, but IMO it makes containers more deployment tool agnostic | 16:21 |
| kfox1111_ | I had a horible experience with a mythtv client desiding the server database should be upgraded once. :/ | 16:21 |
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| pbourke-mobile | Its not ansible specific though | 16:21 |
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| sdake | it isn't deployment tool sepcific, its part of the universal container model | 16:21 |
| kfox1111_ | SergeyLukjanov: agreed. but, maybe the solution is, if enough deployment tools add bootstrap code to the containers, it get really generic. | 16:21 |
| inc0_ | SergeyLukjanov, since it's possible to use different deploy, let's just revisit separation of bootsrap later ok? | 16:21 |
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| inc0_ | I mean, it works , it's there | 16:21 |
| pbourke-mobile | Sergey why do you say it is | 16:21 |
| inc0_ | and whatever you want to do, is possible | 16:22 |
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| wirehead_ | Well, let’s be clear. OpenStack has historically been hard to ugprade. With the icehouse and Havana releases floating around being good examples of how bad it can be. | 16:22 |
| sdake | inc0 mr positive :) | 16:22 |
| inc0_ | well, in scope of external bootsrap;) | 16:22 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | pbourke-mobile it is b/c it supports only topologies and configs supported by specific deployment tool | 16:22 |
| kfox1111_ | wirehead_: I've upgraded clouds from Essex all the way up to Mitaka. Yes, its really hard. :) | 16:22 |
| inc0_ | unless it isn't (like mariadb) then you have perfectly working bootsrap for you;) | 16:22 |
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| pbourke-mobile | Its bash env vars | 16:22 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | pbourke-mobile it couldn't be supporting all cases (and shouldn't IMO) | 16:22 |
| pbourke-mobile | Could not be more agnostic | 16:23 |
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| kfox1111_ | I'm for external bootstrap as much as possible. there may be cases where internal might make sense. | 16:23 |
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| kfox1111_ | to be clear though, like in the spec, external orchestration. internal binaries. | 16:23 |
| inc0_ | SergeyLukjanov, do you have any use-case in mind that is not achievable with our current arch? | 16:23 |
| Jeffrey4l | SergeyLukjanov, how to init the mariadb /var/lib/mysql file without the container, without the bootstrap script? | 16:23 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | actually the mariadb case is good one - it's a situation when some bootstraping embedded is good | 16:23 |
| kfox1111_ | Jeffrey4l: ceph for example with k8s. | 16:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | like users creation, it's more about container bootstrap | 16:24 |
| kfox1111_ | the bootstrap code currently assumes it will make new id's with every run. if you run it in a k8s job and it fails, | 16:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | not service/component bootstrap | 16:24 |
| kfox1111_ | it will keep creating osd id after id after id. | 16:24 |
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| inc0_ | ok, I'm lost, what's container bootsrap? | 16:24 |
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| sdake | https://github.com/openstack/kolla/blob/master/docker/heat/heat-api/extend_start.sh#L5-L17 | 16:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'm not saying about removing code that creates user for example or code that is needed each time you running container | 16:25 |
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| sdake | you mean the code that parses the json file | 16:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | sdake good sample - I mean such kind of code - https://github.com/openstack/kolla/blob/master/docker/heat/heat-api/extend_start.sh#L5-L17 | 16:26 |
| inc0_ | SergeyLukjanov, so heat-manage db_sync has to be in container right? | 16:26 |
| sdake | yes, but if KOLLA_BOOTSTRAP is not deffined, nothign happens | 16:26 |
| rhallisey | so triggering db sync externally? | 16:27 |
| inc0_ | I dont think it's possible rhallisey | 16:27 |
| sdake | its possible if you make one bootstrap contianer | 16:27 |
| inc0_ | I mean, we could do docker exec -it heat-api heat-manage db_sync | 16:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | inc0_ yup | 16:27 |
| Jeffrey4l | i agree. we should move the heat related use create to ansible. but the heat-manage db_sync should leave there. | 16:27 |
| kfox1111_ | I think what I'd like to see there, is KOLLA_BOOTSTRAP section moved to its own shell script. | 16:27 |
| inc0_ | SergeyLukjanov, so I'm ok with tht | 16:27 |
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| kfox1111_ | then you can docker run CONTINER /bootstrap | 16:27 |
| rhallisey | inc0_, ansible docker could handle that | 16:28 |
| inc0_ | it could | 16:28 |
| rhallisey | we do it already | 16:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | inc0_ or run container that will have that entrypoint will be needed command | 16:28 |
| inc0_ | there are several ways to do it | 16:28 |
| inc0_ | or that | 16:28 |
| sdake | reasonable idea kfox | 16:28 |
| Jeffrey4l | inc0_, we even has no heat-api container, before bootstrap. how to to use docker exec ? | 16:28 |
| kfox1111_ | then puppet or ansible or k8s jobs can run it. | 16:28 |
| inc0_ | Jeffrey4l, we do... | 16:28 |
| sdake | heat_bootstrap is started from heat_api contianer | 16:28 |
| inc0_ | anyway, we can have bootstrap container as sdake said | 16:28 |
| inc0_ | there are ways | 16:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we can run a separated container "heat-bootstrap" with entrypoint command "heat-manage db_sync" | 16:29 |
| sdake | personally i'd prefer bootstrap happen all at once | 16:29 |
| kfox1111_ | or, yeah. split it to a different container. | 16:29 |
| inc0_ | SergeyLukjanov, one thing tho..instead of having separat econtainer | 16:29 |
| rhallisey | sdake, idk if it matters | 16:29 |
| inc0_ | we have container with or without env | 16:29 |
| inc0_ | doesn't make us build one additiona container | 16:29 |
| inc0_ | that will be run once | 16:29 |
| inc0_ | since all the tools are there | 16:29 |
| Jeffrey4l | yes it doesn't matter. the bootstrap container will be removed after it exit. | 16:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yup | 16:30 |
| sdake | i'd prfer to keep things simple nad not require docker exec to bootstrap containers tho | 16:30 |
| kfox1111_ | inc0_: take the heat example again, heat-manage db_sync is a thing that happens during upgrades as well as bootstrap. | 16:30 |
| kfox1111_ | the rest of it shouldn't ever be called outside of a bootstrap though. | 16:30 |
| inc0_ | yeah, that too | 16:30 |
| Jeffrey4l | kfox1111_, yup. | 16:30 |
| kfox1111_ | so thats where mixing orchestration with bootstrapping kind of worries me. | 16:30 |
| rhallisey | sdake, yes but the counter to that is removing it from the extend start makes things simpler | 16:30 |
| inc0_ | SergeyLukjanov, how critical this issue is for you | 16:30 |
| inc0_ | ? | 16:30 |
| inc0_ | can we revise it on summit or sth? | 16:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it's not the highest for sure :) | 16:30 |
| sdake | i guess i dont understand what the pain is about haing a BOOTSTRAP environment variable conditionallly execute code | 16:31 |
| inc0_ | cool, I'm cool with any improvement proposals | 16:31 |
| pbourke-mobile | sdake ++ | 16:31 |
| rhallisey | less automagic i suppose | 16:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | the general issue of having ansible and containers in a same repo is more important for me | 16:31 |
| rhallisey | SergeyLukjanov, it's a topic for the midcycle | 16:31 |
| sdake | the reason it is like that fwiw, is to facilitate backporting | 16:31 |
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| inc0_ | SergeyLukjanov, reason we didnt separate yet is simply because it's irreversable | 16:32 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | just a random thing - what's about making option no not "COPY bootstrap.sh" in Dockerfile? | 16:32 |
| inc0_ | but moment we arrive to prod-readiness of kolla-k8s | 16:32 |
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| sdake | if the repos are split backporitng becomes extremely dificult | 16:32 |
| inc0_ | we are revising this issue | 16:32 |
| inc0_ | SergeyLukjanov, negative | 16:32 |
| kfox1111_ | sdake: there is also a general op thing where I want to make sure what I deploy isn't going to do something unexpected. | 16:32 |
| inc0_ | you would create 2 different docker images | 16:33 |
| kfox1111_ | just looking at the code, shows up the bootstrap stuff which looks very dangerious. (which it is) | 16:33 |
| kfox1111_ | so I have to audit the scripts much more carefully. | 16:33 |
| inc0_ | remember build is separate from deploy | 16:33 |
| kfox1111_ | if they were seperate, then its easier to ignore. | 16:33 |
| rhallisey | kfox1111_, technially you would have to always audit something | 16:33 |
| kfox1111_ | yes, but the amount is differnet. for example, I deploy horizon containers directly on one of my clouds today. | 16:33 |
| inc0_ | SergeyLukjanov, so differet question, why you don't want ansible in tree specifically? | 16:33 |
| inc0_ | what use case it prevents you from achieving? | 16:34 |
| kfox1111_ | if the bootstrap scripts were seperate from the containers I'm running, I wouldn't have to review them at all. | 16:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | kfox1111_ +1 | 16:34 |
| sdake | kfox1111_ they could still be broken if separate | 16:34 |
| sdake | and would require review | 16:34 |
| rhallisey | kfox1111_, what about review the ansible code | 16:34 |
| kfox1111_ | so, I do really like the idea of making, say, a heat-bootstrap container that all it is is heat-api with the bootstrap code added. | 16:34 |
| kfox1111_ | rhallisey: yeah. that scares me a bit too. thats why I'm working on kolla-k8s. :) | 16:35 |
| rhallisey | ha | 16:35 |
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| kfox1111_ | there's a lot of code in the ansible stuff, and I have a hard time knowing if its safe or not. | 16:35 |
| kfox1111_ | while k8s provides a layer of isolation. | 16:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | inc0_ it's about need to dig into the ansible code in addition to containers itself and too coupled reference implementation | 16:35 |
| inc0_ | kfox1111_, I have bad news for you then man... we're looking at ansible in k8s;) | 16:35 |
| Jeffrey4l | kfox1111_, are u meaning the heat-bootstrap container? or heat-bootstrap images? | 16:35 |
| kfox1111_ | hense the, "I want to run kolla-ansible genconfig as non root" for example. | 16:35 |
| inc0_ | SergeyLukjanov, so code is logically separate alread | 16:36 |
| inc0_ | y | 16:36 |
| sdake | the only thing that is not separate is the json file | 16:36 |
| kfox1111_ | kfox1111_: sry. ment images I think. | 16:36 |
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| inc0_ | one of reason we keep it there is, as you've said, reference implementation | 16:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | sdake rhallisey folks, I'll not be able to be on the midcycle, will be there anny posibility to join remotely? | 16:36 |
| kfox1111_ | inc0_: yeah, but I expect that to be a lot simpler as k8s does alot of lifting itself. | 16:36 |
| inc0_ | so far ansible is only way to deploy kolla in prod ready way | 16:36 |
| sdake | ya we will have remote participation | 16:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | sdake cool | 16:37 |
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| rhallisey | kfox1111_, idk if you've seen my new spec | 16:37 |
| rhallisey | base on the poc | 16:37 |
| kfox1111_ | I'm ok with ansible orchestrating things. It just needs to be simple enough I can get my head around it. | 16:37 |
| sdake | ok so in conclusion | 16:37 |
| kfox1111_ | rhallisey: yeah. I have. I commented I think. | 16:37 |
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| inc0_ | once we'll have alternative on that front, we agreed to keep things as they are | 16:37 |
| rhallisey | kfox1111_, ok cool | 16:37 |
| sdake | there are two issues - bootstrap is integrated into the containers - ansible is in repo | 16:37 |
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| inc0_ | to limit deployers confusion | 16:37 |
| sdake | ansible in or out of repo has been hotly debated in the pasat | 16:38 |
| sdake | i dont care at this point | 16:38 |
| sdake | in the past i did | 16:38 |
| sdake | i do have concerns about backports and maintenance in general | 16:38 |
| inc0_ | SergeyLukjanov, long story short, still open depate and I think it's rather matter of when than if | 16:38 |
| sdake | as for bootstrapping - if someone invents a beetter bootstrap mechnaism and makes it work throughout the current code base wfm :) | 16:38 |
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| rhallisey | I think the contianers themselves should be at a point where what you expect is what you get. Having flags in the scripts it doesn't 100% guarantee that | 16:38 |
| SergeyLukjanov | sdake agree about backports, such changes can make it unmaintainable | 16:38 |
| * rhallisey can write a spec | 16:38 | |
| kfox1111_ | I think if it prevents another kolla competetor from spawning, moving ansible code to kolla-ansible is a reasonable thing, since we've been debating it for a while now anyway. | 16:38 |
| inc0_ | but since it's only way that works today, we keep it for now | 16:39 |
| sdake | kfox1111_ it doesn't stop any competitor | 16:39 |
| inc0_ | SergeyLukjanov, if you guys would like to help with kolla-k8s and accelerate it's way to success | 16:39 |
| rhallisey | kfox1111_, I think the technically reasons be enough tbh | 16:39 |
| sdake | stackanetes took kolla containers and merged them into their project | 16:39 |
| inc0_ | providing valid alternative to ansible | 16:39 |
| inc0_ | this discussion can be accelerated | 16:40 |
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| sdake | ok well we need to get to brainstomring - since midcycle is only 2 weeks out | 16:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | inc0_ we're going with own k8s based impl and I want mainly to use kolla images in future as I believe it's very good to have universal containers and not duplicate work on them. we can review further what will be achieved, let's say on summit | 16:40 |
| sdake | ya duplicating the containers is a huge waste of time | 16:41 |
| kfox1111_ | SergeyLukjanov: why not contribute to kolla-k8s? | 16:41 |
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| kfox1111_ | there's still a lot of room to participate there. | 16:42 |
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| kfox1111_ | I think some of the tripleo folks are too. | 16:42 |
| rhallisey | could build the same logic into kolla-kube | 16:42 |
| rhallisey | so it could be consumed by any project | 16:42 |
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| sdake | kfox1111_ from my understanding mirantis has already made up its mind on this topic | 16:43 |
| kfox1111_ | yeah. | 16:43 |
| rhallisey | but kolla-kube is the central hub prof development | 16:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | sdake kfox1111_ that's correct, it was done significantly before the last summit | 16:43 |
| rhallisey | it's just olive branch. The community is open for collaboration :) | 16:43 |
| kfox1111_ | sdake: sure, but I want to have the discussion out in the open to ensure other folks picking something to contribute to, know the difference. | 16:43 |
| sdake | i think people willl natureally be drawn to kollla in this case, as this is our core mission | 16:44 |
| sdake | not afraid of competition | 16:44 |
| kfox1111_ | yup. kolla-k8s just wants to produce the best, open solution to openstack on containers using k8s. everyone's welcome. | 16:45 |
| sdake | ya dont see need for competition either fwiw :) | 16:45 |
| kfox1111_ | +1. I can't stop them. Just incuraging otherwise. | 16:45 |
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| sdake | ok brainstomring - running out o time :) | 16:45 |
| sdake | #topic midcycle planning | 16:46 |
| sdake | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-newton-midcycle | 16:46 |
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| rhallisey | does kolla-kube have a slot? Or did I miss it? | 16:46 |
| sdake | everyone - please add items, i will schedule as best as possible | 16:46 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | thx folks for the discussion, very appreciate | 16:46 |
| rhallisey | SergeyLukjanov, thanks! | 16:47 |
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| sdake | btw, I want to spend a moment to inform folks of what is happening related to governance of the project | 16:49 |
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| sdake | i have been a ptl for 5 years of my life, and think kolla is in pretty fantastic shape, so I am not running for ptl again (unless nobody else does) | 16:49 |
| sdake | Ive been training 3 people who may or may not intend to run - who nkows :) | 16:50 |
| sdake | plan to stay on core for 1-2 years | 16:50 |
| britthouser | ! | 16:51 |
| inc0_ | wow sdake | 16:51 |
| sdake | any questions | 16:51 |
| inc0_ | I'll just say...thanks for all the work and getting us here! | 16:51 |
| britthouser | yeah...huge thanks! | 16:51 |
| sdake | you guys did all the work | 16:51 |
| sdake | i did a bit myself | 16:51 |
| akwasnie | Thanks sdake! | 16:51 |
| sdake | but definately team thing | 16:51 |
| vhosakot | ! | 16:52 |
| sdake | anyway - im not gone yet - 3 month left in the cycle | 16:52 |
| rhallisey | sdake, ya thanks for the leadership | 16:52 |
| sdake | but I dont want people thinking I'm flaking out when I'm training people | 16:52 |
| sdake | i intend to finish strong this cycle ;) | 16:52 |
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| rhallisey | sdake, I remember when the project was just us 2 :) | 16:52 |
| sdake | well there was daneyon :) | 16:52 |
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| sdake | 3 :) | 16:52 |
| sdake | sort of | 16:52 |
| rhallisey | 3 | 16:52 |
| rhallisey | meetings were lonely | 16:53 |
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| mandre | sdake, wow! thanks for all the hard work | 16:53 |
| rhallisey | sdake, did kolla-kube already happen as a topic? | 16:53 |
| sdake | rhallisey no | 16:53 |
| sdake | #topic kolla-kube | 16:53 |
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| sdake | i thought you meant midcycle not meeting :) | 16:53 |
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| wirehead_ | So, we’ve got a patch up that we’ve been playing with that installs enough bits of kolla-k8s to run Horizon and Keystone and do it multi-host. | 16:54 |
| wirehead_ | And I spent some time yesterday deleting nodes and watching as everything magically came back up. | 16:54 |
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| kfox1111_ | sdake: thanks for all the hard work. | 16:55 |
| inc0_ | wirehead_, mariadb and rabbitmq behave? | 16:55 |
| nihilifer | thank you sdake | 16:55 |
| sdake | kfox1111_ again, styaing on the core team for 1-2 years :) | 16:55 |
| wirehead_ | MariaDB behaves. I haven’t done RabbitMQ yet. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335215/ | 16:55 |
| rhallisey | wirehead_, so for action items, we need a doc to show how to accomplish this | 16:55 |
| wirehead_ | Basically, first thing I did was kill MariaDB a few times. | 16:55 |
| rhallisey | idk if there is one yet | 16:55 |
| rhallisey | since this requires ceph/shared storage + skydns | 16:56 |
| kfox1111_ | maybe we need to start a doc for what's expected of a k8s cluster. | 16:56 |
| kfox1111_ | k8s installed, skydns setup, ceph deployed (possibly with kolla-ansible) | 16:57 |
| wirehead_ | Yeah, sbezverk and I have been chatting about SkyDNS in particular. | 16:57 |
| kfox1111_ | (and maybe pv's precreated) | 16:57 |
| rhallisey | whatever it is, we need to have everything laid out with explanations | 16:57 |
| kfox1111_ | As to me, the pv precreation is a k8s provided thing. | 16:57 |
| kfox1111_ | yeah. | 16:57 |
| rhallisey | another thing, a spec I wanted to bring upo | 16:58 |
| wirehead_ | I agree. dcwangmit01 posted that mostly as a “Hey, is this the right direction” | 16:58 |
| rhallisey | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335279/1 | 16:58 |
| sdake | t-1 minute | 16:58 |
| rhallisey | sdake, roger | 16:58 |
| rhallisey | that spec is to orchestrate k8s using anisble | 16:58 |
| rhallisey | it's something the comunity needs to debate | 16:58 |
| rhallisey | read through and drop some comments pls :) | 16:58 |
| rhallisey | done! | 16:59 |
| kfox1111_ | rhallisey: The comment I made about the cli stuff still existing is inline with what I said above in this channel about wanting to be able to manually orchestrate as needed. | 16:59 |
| rhallisey | kfox1111_, I'll get to it later | 16:59 |
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| kfox1111_ | k. | 16:59 |
| rhallisey | kfox1111_, actually I think I did respond to your comment | 16:59 |
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| rhallisey | I take that back I missed it | 16:59 |
| kfox1111_ | draft? :) | 17:00 |
| kfox1111_ | I draft things more then I'd like to admit. :/ | 17:00 |
| rhallisey | ya let me revisti :) | 17:00 |
| sdake | meeting time over :) | 17:00 |
| sdake | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| kfox1111_ | kk | 17:00 |
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| sdake | thanks for coming | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 29 17:00:34 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-06-29-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-06-29-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-06-29-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
| rhallisey | thanks :) | 17:00 |
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| dougwig | o/ | 17:27 |
| boden | o/ | 17:28 |
| derekjhyang | o/ | 17:28 |
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| HenryG | o/ | 17:29 |
| saju_m | o/ | 17:30 |
| HenryG | I wonder if armax is around too? | 17:30 |
| dougwig | #startmeeting networking_lib | 17:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 29 17:30:14 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dougwig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:30 |
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| dougwig | hi all. | 17:30 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_lib' | 17:30 |
| dougwig | #topic Announcements | 17:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: networking_lib)" | 17:30 | |
| dougwig | new core reviewers -- starting last night, anyone neutron stadium core can +2, and any driver can +A. please be aware of the public interface rules, especially when merging. | 17:30 |
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| HenryG | Most of the rules are in the devref. | 17:31 |
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| dougwig | for anyone doing releases, which is usually me or HenryG, we need to come up with a script or something to audit the new interfaces. more cooks means more merging, and once it hits pypi, we're stuck with it for literally years. | 17:31 |
| boden | are there existing scripts that do this elsewhere that you know of? | 17:32 |
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| dougwig | no, or i'd have used them to add a unit test to prevent destructive interface changes. :) | 17:32 |
| boden | I can take a stab at such a script if you like | 17:33 |
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| dougwig | pleaes. | 17:33 |
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| dougwig | please | 17:33 |
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| dougwig | another announcement, ireland is approaching. | 17:34 |
| dougwig | #topic hacking check policy | 17:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "hacking check policy (Meeting topic: networking_lib)" | 17:34 | |
| dougwig | boden, you have the floor | 17:34 |
| boden | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333500/ | 17:34 |
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| boden | there’s some discussion about how we proceed with new hacking checks that might break consumers who use our checks.factory() | 17:35 |
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| boden | the obvious: consumers break and ignore (via flake8) until they can comply | 17:35 |
| boden | any other ideas? | 17:36 |
| HenryG | IMO it is kind of OK to break such things since it does not break anything user-facing | 17:36 |
| dougwig | that's not very library friendly, though. | 17:36 |
| HenryG | But the goal is to get our library into a friendlier form | 17:37 |
| dougwig | we could make an internal private factory and an external one. | 17:37 |
| boden | is this a call for a mini-interface around our checks :) | 17:37 |
| dougwig | as a dev, if "pip install -U" breaks me, i get annoyed. maybe that's just me. | 17:37 |
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| boden | agreed, but on the other hand the check goes un-noticed | 17:38 |
| dougwig | those checks serve two purposes... checking the lib code itself, and providing reuse for subprojects (especially the 'no neutron' check.) | 17:38 |
| dougwig | right, and this is a neutron library, so i guess we're allowed to be a bit opinionated. | 17:38 |
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| dougwig | and they can always opt to not use the neutron-lib checks at all. | 17:38 |
| dougwig | or use their own factory. | 17:39 |
| boden | yep, today we have a large amount of folks using it | 17:39 |
| boden | fyi | 17:39 |
| dougwig | we could run a few key pep8's, like neutron, on every change. it'll make it hard to merge hacking checks, since it'll be a two-step shuffle. | 17:39 |
| boden | dougwig I was thinking that too | 17:40 |
| boden | I’d at least like to know if neutron pep8 breaks | 17:40 |
| dougwig | i was already looking into running neutron's unit tests last night, so this would be similar. | 17:40 |
| boden | does it make sense to perhaps build a small API aound our checks to make it easier for consumers to use them, or just assume they can use the public check functions as they see fit? | 17:41 |
| dougwig | i personally think the latter is fine. | 17:41 |
| boden | works for me | 17:41 |
| boden | so we should probably doc this approach (devref) to get some further input during the patch review | 17:42 |
| boden | this approach == for hacking checks | 17:42 |
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| boden | I’ll make sure 333500 has such details | 17:43 |
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| dougwig | ok, that works. | 17:43 |
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| boden | next topic, I think | 17:43 |
| dougwig | #topic new target project to deliver as part of our newton work since lbaas now has a spin-off | 17:43 |
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| dougwig | this came up this past week; with lbaas moving into octavia, it likely isn't a good target for the initial pass of the lib. | 17:44 |
| HenryG | Which are the candidates? | 17:44 |
| dougwig | we can pick another *aas, though they will likely fare similarly; perhaps an ml2 driver? | 17:44 |
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| HenryG | How about a networking-foo that's in the stadium? | 17:45 |
| dougwig | this is the list that i work against when making a lib change: | 17:45 |
| dougwig | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/QsoIDs4N/ | 17:45 |
| boden | I was thinking we should use a stadium proj? | 17:45 |
| boden | https://github.com/openstack/neutron-specs/blob/master/specs/newton/neutron-stadium.rst | 17:45 |
| dougwig | i would say ovn, but they're a core plugin, not ml2 | 17:45 |
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| HenryG | ovn is now ml2 | 17:46 |
| HenryG | they converted | 17:46 |
| dougwig | how about ovn and l2gw as the new targets? | 17:46 |
| boden | networking-l2gw? | 17:46 |
| dougwig | jinx | 17:46 |
| HenryG | sounds good to me | 17:47 |
| HenryG | We can keep an eye on dynamic-routing too | 17:47 |
| boden | works for me | 17:47 |
| dougwig | ok, sounds like a decision | 17:47 |
| HenryG | +1 | 17:47 |
| boden | +1 | 17:48 |
| dougwig | #topic Do we really want to run with the forbid eventlet patch | 17:48 |
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| HenryG | armax approved it | 17:48 |
| boden | I’m more curious about this than anything else :) | 17:48 |
| dougwig | in the lib, i think the answer is yes. | 17:48 |
| dougwig | though eventlet now supports py3, so maybe it's not as evil as others thought it was. | 17:48 |
| dougwig | moving on | 17:48 |
| dougwig | #topic neutron-lib callbacks and OVO | 17:49 |
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| dougwig | who's was this? | 17:49 |
| boden | dougwig: me | 17:49 |
| dougwig | the floor is yours | 17:49 |
| boden | I think the bullet in the wiki sums it up | 17:49 |
| boden | paste—> I'm going to try and kick the tires a bit more on neutron-lib callbacks. In particular I'm thinking of proposing a backwards compatible change in neutron that can use OVO. The thought is to get neutron on-board with a new callback API that can support OVO, then get that support into neutron-lib, etc. For example 279734 that Paul did, but no longer has bandwidth to drive. | 17:49 |
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| boden | thoughts? | 17:50 |
| dougwig | i would suggest pinging armax and getting his thoughts on this one. | 17:50 |
| boden | ack | 17:50 |
| HenryG | boden: sounds good to me, but keep in close sync with armax | 17:50 |
| dougwig | definitely an area that needs tackling. | 17:50 |
| boden | sounds good; thx | 17:50 |
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| dougwig | #topic Open discussion | 17:52 |
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| dougwig | HenryG: is the base db stuff in yet? | 17:52 |
| HenryG | No, I am preparing a patch for neutron core first, because some things need to be shuffled there | 17:52 |
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| dougwig | ok. let us know when it's there. | 17:53 |
| HenryG | Shuffling after moving to lib is fraught with perils | 17:53 |
| dougwig | anything else today? | 17:53 |
| HenryG | Just a quick note on api-ref | 17:54 |
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| HenryG | We should add it as a weekly topic | 17:54 |
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| HenryG | Akihiro is driving it | 17:54 |
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| boden | admittedly I need to read up on that topic :) | 17:55 |
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| boden | nothing else from me | 17:55 |
| boden | oh, I’ll be out next Monday | 17:56 |
| HenryG | The work is going to be a lot of low-hanging-fruit to get all the APIs correctly documented. | 17:56 |
| boden | and perhap Tuesday; but not sure on Tue | 17:56 |
| dougwig | HenryG: ok, i don't see amotoki online. any update on api ref? | 17:56 |
| HenryG | Last I heard he is preparing an example on how to update/correct an API. | 17:56 |
| boden | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330890/ | 17:57 |
| HenryG | From that template folks can go wild I assume | 17:57 |
| * njohnston has an item, if now is a good time | 17:57 | |
| dougwig | we might need to adjust this meeting time if he needs to attend. | 17:57 |
| dougwig | given that it's 3am where he is. | 17:58 |
| HenryG | ack, I will check with him | 17:58 |
| dougwig | alright, let's get out of here. | 17:59 |
| dougwig | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 29 17:59:12 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_lib/2016/networking_lib.2016-06-29-17.30.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_lib/2016/networking_lib.2016-06-29-17.30.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_lib/2016/networking_lib.2016-06-29-17.30.log.html | 17:59 |
| njohnston | d'oh, I guess I won't bring that up then | 17:59 |
| dougwig | njohnston: oops, did i miss something? | 17:59 |
| njohnston | dougwig: I'll ping you directly | 17:59 |
| dougwig | njohnston: egad, sorry. let's talk in #openstack-neutron | 18:00 |
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