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-openstackstatus- NOTICE: Gate is experiencing epic failures due to issues with mirrors, work is underway to mitigate and return to normal levels of sanity12:41
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EmilienMhello here14:58
sbadiahi14:59
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EmilienM#startmeeting puppet-openstack15:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Apr 28 15:00:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is EmilienM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'puppet_openstack'15:00
EmilienM#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-openstack-weekly-meeting-2015042815:00
EmilienM#topic Review past action items15:00
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EmilienMgchamoul: o/15:00
richmhello15:00
gchamoulo/15:00
EmilienMso you send a patch in https://review.openstack.org/106144 about Neutron/Linuxbridge15:00
gchamoulEmilienM: yes!15:01
crinkleo/15:01
EmilienMthanks for that; I'll let people to have a look :-)15:01
gchamoulnot finished, I got some remarks from Lukas ...15:01
EmilienMgchamoul: ok15:01
EmilienMabout deprecation/backport policy, I created https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-openstack-master-policy15:01
EmilienMand last action so far, we fixed https://bugs.launchpad.net/puppet-ceilometer/+bug/144637515:01
openstackLaunchpad bug 1446375 in puppet-designate "Default MySQL collate parameter is not the one from db_sync" [Critical,New]15:01
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EmilienM#topic CI15:01
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EmilienMsbadia: o/ can we have  Puppet 4.0 status?15:02
EmilienM#link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1i2z5QyvukHCWU_JjkWrTpn-PexPBnt3bWPlQfiDGsj8/edit#gid=015:02
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sbadiaEmilienM: as said in my email, it remain only nova, neutron and swift15:02
sbadiathe big part :)15:02
EmilienMsbadia: w00t, awesome ! Thanks for this work15:02
sbadiabut it's in progress15:03
EmilienMsbadia: do you have blockers, need some help ?15:03
sbadianp :-)15:03
sbadiafor the moment it's ok15:03
EmilienMHunner: can you make sure to have a look at the patches and -1/+1 them ?15:03
mfisch+1 on this spreadsheet15:03
EmilienMmfisch: I thought it would help :)15:03
HunnerSure15:03
EmilienMHunner, sbadia: thx guys15:04
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EmilienMBeaker status:15:04
EmilienMI'm moving forward to support all modules15:04
sbadiaHunner: thx!15:04
EmilienMpreparing centos support: https://review.openstack.org/17543415:04
EmilienM#link https://review.openstack.org/17543415:04
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EmilienMmmagr is proposing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178134 - I'll let crinkle and nibalizer dropping a quick general comment/review on this one, to make sure we agree with that15:04
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EmilienMTripleO/Puppet CI status15:05
EmilienMwe are gating more modules now (ceilometer, glance, keystone, nova, neutron, swift, openstacklib, heat, cinder)15:05
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EmilienMjobs are non-voting, but I would ask reviewers to consider the job important15:06
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EmilienMif it's red, it really means something (except if TripleO CI is broken)15:06
EmilienMsame thing for beaker. crinkle proposed we don't put the jobs as voting for now, but I still ask for people to keep an eye at the job status15:06
EmilienMalso, we are facing too much rubygems downtime issues so I proposed to create a mirror in OpenStack infra15:07
EmilienM#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178026/15:07
EmilienManything else on CI? Someone?15:07
mgagneEmilienM: I'm looking forward for ideas regarding that rubygems mirror15:07
mgagneEmilienM: existing solutions aren't great15:08
vinshDon't the tripleo infra guys already have a ruby mirror?15:08
mgagneEmilienM: they often require to mirror the whole damn site15:08
EmilienMmgagne: my solution you mean?15:08
mgagneEmilienM: any15:08
EmilienMmgagne: well, if our mirror is more stable that public server, isn't it our solution?15:08
EmilienMvinsh: not AFIK15:09
mgagneEmilienM: I guess you didn't read my comment15:09
EmilienMmgagne: not yet, sorry15:09
EmilienMmgagne: which one?15:09
mgagneEmilienM: mirroring often require to mirror ALL gems and all their versions which consumes a LOT of space15:10
mfischclayton: what are we doing for mirrors here?15:10
EmilienMmgagne: what would you suggest?15:10
vinshBTW, what does the tripleo-ci do for puppet anyway?15:10
claytonwe should mirror rubygems, but we don't.  I've looked into it, but the tools suck, and for our use, we'd need to version them also15:10
mgagneEmilienM: I suggest nothing except that I'm curious how we will find a solution to this challenge15:10
EmilienMvinsh: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TripleOPuppetCI15:11
mgagneEmilienM: what clayton said15:11
HunnerYeah, I don't know of an automated way to mirror only some of rubygems :/. We have a tool that can push bundles of gems up to our mirror at PL, but it's manual15:11
EmilienMclayton, mgagne: I'm working on this, feel free to bring your thoughts on Gerrit patch15:11
claytonIt might be easier to build a limited rubygems mirror that only has the gems we'd need15:11
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mgagneclayton: yep15:11
mgagneclayton: why not using squid instead15:11
claytonHunner: you could probably build them locally using bundler then shove them into a local index15:11
jistrmgagne: +115:11
HunnerUsing https://github.com/copiousfreetime/stickler15:12
claytonsquid might work, you'd have to be careful about how to handle refreshing the cache15:12
Hunnerclayton: True, though it would be hard to track specific versions15:12
Hunner(for the bundler ideo)15:12
claytonI don't think rubygems has nearly as big of a problem as pypi does with gems disappearing15:12
mgagneunless we always need the latest and greatest version of gems, I don't see it as a problem15:12
mgagneanyway, lets move on. my point was: I'm curious15:13
EmilienMmgagne: this is a good discussion, let's continue offline with Hunner & clayton (ML or whatever)15:14
claytonone last thing, last time I looked, rubygems mirror size on disk space I believe was a lot smaller than pypi15:14
claytonbut that's just my recollection, not an authoritative statement15:14
mgagneclayton: omg15:14
EmilienMclayton: this is what I've seen last night too.15:14
EmilienMI created a mirror on my laptop15:15
EmilienMok, let's move on and keep the topic on track15:15
mgagnealright, if rubygems < pypi, forget what I said :D15:15
claytonmgagne: istr like 10-20GB vs >100G15:15
EmilienMmgagne, clayton : are we done?15:15
claytonyeap, sorry :)15:15
mgagnego15:15
EmilienMnp :)15:15
EmilienM#topic Master policy15:15
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EmilienM#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-openstack-master-policy15:16
EmilienMmgagne, mfisch, clayton o/15:16
claytonEmilienM: what is the status on the tool for doing backports?15:16
EmilienMspredzy_ knows15:16
EmilienMthe patch is under review and making progress15:16
mfischgood progress then15:17
EmilienM#link https://review.openstack.org/17584915:17
EmilienMmgagne, mfisch, clayton: I would like a consensus (maybe we can discuss it during the summit) about what we do *now* with ongoing work/patches15:17
spredzy_need to ping openstack-infra guy to find out how to test in in close-to-real conditions15:17
mgagnehere is my statement: master is targeted to next release and always has been. blocking development (and reverting stuff) because someone thought it was targeted at previous stable version is wrong.15:17
claytonAs I mentioned before, I don't think we're going to completely solve this before kilo release.  I'd like to avoid making config changes solely to avoid deprecations for the time being, but it seems like it makes sense to make breaking changes for kilo when needd15:17
EmilienMthe question is: are we breaking juno support in master ?15:17
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mgagneEmilienM: I still don't understand how we ended up with this situation15:18
mfischyes what clayton said15:18
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mfisch(sorry /me is also doing prod system recabling this morning)15:18
claytonI'd like to discuss this in person at the summit and explore the options more, and then we can summarize back to the list what options are brought up15:18
EmilienMmgagne: which situation?15:18
mgagneEmilienM: reverting stuff in master to support juno15:18
EmilienMwhat I propose is: we break master for Juno, but we work during Liberty on our provider to offer more flexibility for Kilo/Liberty15:18
EmilienMmgagne: well...15:19
EmilienMmgagne: we will Revert: Revert: XX :(15:19
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EmilienMclayton, mgagne, mfisch: what do you think about that solution?15:19
claytonI believe the only revert was to specifically remove a change that broke juno for a deprecation.  I think that's a grey area15:19
mgagneclayton: it's not. it creates a precedent15:20
mgagnenot sure how to translate that in englih15:20
mgagneenglish*15:20
mgagneit sets a precedent, there15:20
mfischprecedent is right15:20
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mfischI still dont like the change that went in, its not like if you didnt have it you cant run Kilo15:21
claytonI'd prefer to avoid making changes to the master branch that break juno solely to avoid deprecation warnings, at least for this release.  If that sets a precdent, then I'm fine with it.15:21
mfischwe're all speaking about theory here but that change could have waited, thats the reality of that change, not a good trade-off15:21
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claytonif other people disagree and I lose that argument, then I'll live with that also15:21
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mgagneThere are technical solutions that people can use to still support juno with master branch.15:22
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EmilienMmgagne: like? backports?15:23
claytonmgagne: yeap, and we've done that also.  I'd like to discuss at some point whether or not that's something we should integrate.  My primary concern here isn't about whether or not we stay on master or not, but if there is anything we can to do make upgrades go more smoothly.15:23
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mgagneEmilienM: https://github.com/michaeltchapman/puppet-openstacklib/blob/master/manifests/compat/nova.pp15:23
EmilienMmgagne: +115:23
EmilienMclayton: are you doing the same thing for OpenStack code (nova, etc) ?15:24
mgagneclayton: sure but lets not influence evolution of master because someone is using it to run/install juno15:24
claytonThat's the sort of thing that we'd be very comfortable contributing to, if there was interest15:24
EmilienMclayton: if not, why doing that for Puppet ?15:25
claytonEmilienM: we're actually exploring doing that for core services also, that's why we're looking to move away from packages entirely.15:25
claytonwe'd like to be able to have juno and kilo services installed on the same node, and switch between them easily to make upgrades faster.15:25
mgagneclayton: if we wish to support previous stable and next in master, so be it. But I'm against reverting stuff until a clear solution is found. master was never (officially) meant to be used that way15:25
mgagneclayton: I wish that too and I'm looking forward to it15:26
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claytonmgagne: personaly that's what I'd like in an ideal world, but I'm not seriously suggesting it at this point.  I'd like to talk through what would actually be needed to even do that.15:26
EmilienMmgagne: fair enough, your statement is true but it seems we don't have it written somewhere. That's why I proposed to write a blueprint and find a consensus15:27
EmilienMwe are not really making progress here15:27
claytonEmilienM: I'm fine with sticking with the existing (undocumented?) policy for the master branch.15:28
EmilienMmfisch, clayton: for what I'm seeing now, is that you are the only ones using master for kilo right now15:28
mgagneI can be pedantic in my times and setting a precedent like that one irritates me. Because it looks like we implicitly changed on unwritten policy regarding master15:28
claytonGodaddy is also15:28
claytonin fact, we were following their lead when we did that15:28
mgagneour*15:28
mfischgodaddy is on vacation still I think15:29
bodepdEmilienM: I plan on using master to mean openstack master (or at least kilo) ASAP15:29
bodepdEmilienM: that is actually what I'm working on this week15:29
EmilienMmgagne: I'll write an official blueprint that contains these statements15:29
EmilienMand people will just vote15:29
claytonI don't have any interest in holding up kilo work on master15:29
mfischme either15:30
mfischif its truly needed15:30
claytonI don't think it's practical to make a decision on what we want master or any other branch to be long term before the summit, but I think the summit would be a good time to talk through some of the possibilities15:30
EmilienMmgagne: do you have enough bandwidth to initiate the blueprint?15:30
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EmilienMclayton: "initiate", so we can come up with better thoughts15:31
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claytonbreaking changes to master won't break us, we just won't pull them in until we're working on kilo upgrade15:31
EmilienMwe won't take the decision *before* the summit.15:31
EmilienMit's happening soon, so we can wait a bit.15:31
EmilienMare we ok with that ?15:31
clayton+115:32
EmilienMmgagne: ?15:32
mgagneas long as we don't revert *new* stuff until we have that policy written down15:32
mgagneI'm fine15:32
jpenaEmilienM: does it mean that any update for Kilo that may break Juno will need to be on hold until the summit?15:32
claytonjpena: the opposite I believe15:32
EmilienMmgagne: and to initiate the BP ?15:32
mgagnejpena: I'm more or less concerned about those use cases15:32
mgagneEmilienM: I would be dishonest if I said I had the bandwidth15:33
EmilienMmgagne: I'll do it then.15:33
crinklei don't think we should avoid reverting things in master15:33
crinklei think it's fine to revert something until we've had more discussion on it15:33
crinklei think tripleo does it all the time15:33
mgagneEmilienM: pre-summit month is always the busiest15:33
EmilienMcrinkle: +115:33
bodepdto clarify, master is not intened to be kilo then?15:34
mgagnebodepd: hehe15:34
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EmilienMfor now, master stays Juno + Kilo15:34
bodepdor its just that you want to avoid backwards breaking changes15:34
bodepdgreat. thanks for the clarification15:34
EmilienM#action EmilienM to initiate a blueprint about Master policy15:35
EmilienMso, until the summit, we keep Juno working on master15:35
bodepdwhat was wrong with the old policy?15:35
EmilienMwe continue to groom on etherpad/gerrit (when i'll write the blueprint)15:35
bodepd(sorry, I know I've been away, but it's hard not to comment on everything :) )15:35
EmilienMlol15:35
EmilienMbodepd: TL;DR, we used to break master for stable releases while people deploying stable with master15:36
EmilienMbodepd: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-openstack-master-policy15:36
bodepdoh, maybe I mean the old-old policy then :)15:36
mgagnebodepd: we didn't change anything yet15:37
-openstackstatus- NOTICE: gerrit has been restarted to clear an issue with its event stream. any change events between 14:43-15:30 utc should be rechecked or have their approval votes reapplied to trigger jobs15:37
mgagnebodepd: this change triggered the discussion: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173495/15:37
EmilienMcan we go ahead in the agenda? mgagne, clayton, mfisch, bodepd, are we done for this one?15:37
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claytonwfm15:37
mfischyes, sorry Im not able to focus very well atm15:37
EmilienM#topic project naming15:38
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bodepdI'd like to make one more comment15:38
EmilienMbodepd: go ahead.15:38
bodepdI rememer a long time ago, we tried not to have any backwards incompat changes in master, and deprecated things across 2 releases15:38
bodepdI guess that policy went away, and the question is it things should go back to it?15:39
mgagnebodepd: this was for OUR public interface (class parameters)15:39
mgagnebodepd: and we are still doing it15:39
crinklebodepd: it's not backwards incompatible changes we're worried about, it's changes that specifically affect how we deploy juno versus kilo, e.g. config parameter names or package names15:39
bodepdmgagne: thanks for the clarification15:39
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EmilienMbodepd: true. But in the meantime (you were away), we had new contributors having new use-cases, so we may re-think our way to backport things15:39
bodepdthanks15:39
EmilienMbodepd: we keep this policy for now, don't worry :)15:39
EmilienMbodepd: do you want to add some thoughts?15:40
EmilienMseems like not :)15:41
EmilienMso about naming...15:41
EmilienMLegal agreement between Puppet and the OpenStack foundation still pending for name "Puppet Modules". There is already consensus agreement, just working out final details. Will update when have more information. (Richard Raseley)15:41
mfischI dont quite parse that15:41
bodepdEmilienM: oh great, so we may just keep the name?15:41
mfischdoes that mean we can use the name?15:41
EmilienMsorry for people who found crazy names :-P15:41
EmilienMfor now, yes, I'm waiting for final decision (it's not in my hand)15:42
EmilienMOpenStack foundation <-> Puppetlabs15:42
bodepdwow! thanks for both orgs then for being completely reasonable ;)15:42
EmilienMmfisch: I think "Puppet Modules" will be our project name15:42
bodepd(or at least trying)15:42
mfischok15:42
mfischas long as its not Puppies I'm happy :015:42
EmilienM#topic keystone v315:43
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EmilienMrichm: o/15:43
EmilienMcan we have a status and an idea of your blockers right now ?15:43
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richmNot much progress - working with gildub on getting the base code for the keystone providers15:43
EmilienMis there anyone in our community willing to help in that work?15:44
richmI've started on puppet-glance to see what changes are needed - I posted a review for puppet-glance15:44
imcsk8i can15:44
EmilienMimcsk8: you're already with richm ;-)15:44
richmimcsk8 has been working on deploying the patches with packstack15:44
bodepdwhy would that require changes to the core providers? I though it woudl just work with openstackclient?15:44
EmilienMrichm: do you have specific patches that need our attention ?15:44
richmgildub and I need to nail down the puppet-keystone provider code15:44
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richmbodepd: 1) need to provide the correct --os-identity-api-version and auth url suffix "/v3" 2) the command line arguments and order has changed going from v2 to v3 e.g. service create $name in v2 vs. service create $type --name $name in v3 3) the output is different with v2 vs v315:46
bodepdrichm: thanks, that makes sense15:46
richmEmilienM: no patches need attention yet - I need to work with gildub to produce final "reviewable" patches15:46
EmilienMrichm: did you amend the blueprint? do you need some reviews ?15:46
richmgildub imcsk8 and I have been meeting every night - we will have a meeting tonight to finalize plans, one way or another15:47
richmEmilienM: The blueprint is far from complete15:47
richmThe blueprint still needs to have all of the changes required to all of the puppet modules15:47
richm1) Convert each module to use openstackclient + v3 in the providers 2) convert each module to be able to do server to server keystone auth using the keystone_authconfig configuration for keystonemiddleware15:48
richmThen there's modules like heat which already use some v3 features15:48
richmso we are still quite a way from having a reviewable blueprint15:49
EmilienMright, but in the wrong way (without provider)15:49
richmEmilienM: right, so heat will need to be converted to use openstackclient15:49
EmilienMok15:49
EmilienMrichm: thanks !15:49
EmilienMrichm: anything else?15:49
richmnot to mention other v3 features such as groups and trusts which so far have been ignored15:49
EmilienMrichm: it's a big work. I'll see what can I do to help15:50
richmok - I should know more after our meeting tonight15:50
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EmilienMrichm: I'll participate too, thx15:51
EmilienMrichm: can we go ahead ?15:51
richmyes, please proceed15:51
EmilienM#topic moving from stackforge to openstack15:51
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EmilienM#link https://review.openstack.org/17632615:51
EmilienMI'm wondering about the 'when'15:51
EmilienMany thoughts?15:52
crinkleafter the summit15:52
mgagneEmilienM: is there anything an operator should know/do about this move?15:52
EmilienMI think so15:52
EmilienMstackforge will be synced I think15:52
EmilienMfor some time?15:52
mgagnestackforge?15:53
EmilienMstackforge repo will remain a while maybe15:53
mgagnethe repository is moved, not copied AFAIK15:53
EmilienMmgagne: not forked?15:53
mgagneEmilienM: no15:53
EmilienMwell, os-infra told me all is possible15:53
mgagneEmilienM: github redirects on rename15:53
EmilienMso I agree with crinkle and we should discuss about tha during our summit day15:53
mgagneEmilienM: unless people are cloning from git.o.o, there shouldn't be any problem. github will redirect for you15:54
EmilienMmgagne: yes, but we don't know who pull from git.o.o15:54
mgagneEmilienM: or we ask infra to create a symlink from stackforge to openstack on the server15:54
mgagneEmilienM: git.o.o that is15:54
EmilienMhttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Upcoming_Project_Renames15:55
EmilienMmistral is moving right now15:55
EmilienMbut we will wait Vancouver, anyone against this idea?15:55
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EmilienMseems like not15:56
mgagneno opinion, we can wait15:56
mfischokay with waiting15:56
EmilienM#topic Open Discussion, Bug and Review triage15:56
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EmilienM#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177037/15:56
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mfischI think we're out of time for triage15:56
EmilienMfrom vinsh15:56
crinkleI have something quick for open discussion15:56
EmilienMcrinkle: shoot15:57
vinshYeah, Id just like eyes on that puppet-swift change.. its a big one. But adds a lot of value IMO15:57
crinkletoday is my last day at puppet labs, i just want to make sure you guys know that Hunner and _morgan are modules people who are around to help out, and RichardRaseley is another point of contact for puppet labs if needed15:57
crinklethat is all15:57
EmilienMcrinkle: it's good to know, thanks15:57
mfischthanks crinkle15:58
crinkleoh, also i've passed on the puppet forge password to EmilienM and Hunner15:58
EmilienManyone else? anything else? 1 minute left :-)15:58
mgagnecrinkle: thank you very much for the work you have done. It was greatly appreciated!15:58
crinklemgagne: :)15:58
EmilienMmgagne: well, she's staying on Puppet OpenStack (I hope) :-P15:59
EmilienMthanks everyone!15:59
crinklei will still be around, i just can't merge things on puppetlabs-rabbitmq anymore :)15:59
EmilienMlol15:59
EmilienMspredzy_|afk: sorry ^15:59
xarseslol, we need those fixes though15:59
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EmilienMif nothing else, I close the meeting. Thanks for your reviews & participations !16:00
EmilienM#endmeeting16:00
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sbadiathanks!16:00
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sbadiacrinkle: thanks \o/ (sorry I've missed some minutes of the meeting)16:02
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