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| EmilienM | hello | 14:57 |
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| dfisher | hi there | 14:58 |
| crinkle | o/ | 14:58 |
| EmilienM | #startmeeting puppet-openstack | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 21 15:00:01 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is EmilienM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: puppet-openstack)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'puppet_openstack' | 15:00 |
| spredzy | morning all | 15:00 |
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| EmilienM | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-openstack-weekly-meeting-20150421 | 15:00 |
| sbadia | o/ | 15:00 |
| sbadia | hi | 15:00 |
| EmilienM | who is here today? | 15:00 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 15:00 |
| clayton | here | 15:00 |
| jistr | o/ | 15:00 |
| dfisher | here | 15:00 |
| crinkle | o/ | 15:00 |
| spredzy | here | 15:00 |
| EmilienM | our agenda is *HUGE* - challenge accepted to make it | 15:00 |
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| EmilienM | #topic Review past action items | 15:00 |
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| mfisch | hi | 15:00 |
| EmilienM | EmilienM to run a thread about Summit diner with Puppet OpenStack folks -> DONE | 15:01 |
| gchamoul | o/ | 15:01 |
| EmilienM | EmilienM to run discussion about Puppet OpenStack naming | 15:01 |
| EmilienM | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/061472.html | 15:01 |
| EmilienM | we have an item later about naming | 15:01 |
| EmilienM | well... I'm not going to show all past actions that are done | 15:02 |
| EmilienM | we just want to know what is not done | 15:02 |
| EmilienM | gchamoul: any follow-up for puppet-neutron to follow https://review.openstack.org/106144 for LB driver ? | 15:02 |
| vinsh_ | o/ | 15:02 |
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| jpena | o/ | 15:02 |
| mgagne | o/ | 15:02 |
| gchamoul | EmilienM: I am on PTOs this week, wanted just to be here for the meeting! and will take care of it next week | 15:03 |
| EmilienM | gchamoul: ack. | 15:03 |
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| EmilienM | #topic policy on when/why we will break the current release on master | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "policy on when/why we will break the current release on master (Meeting topic: puppet-openstack)" | 15:03 | |
| EmilienM | so we had a lot of discussion last week on IRC... | 15:04 |
| mfisch | yes and on the ML | 15:04 |
| EmilienM | yes | 15:04 |
| EmilienM | so, spredzy and I are working on openstack-infra to provide a new feature | 15:04 |
| EmilienM | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175849/ | 15:04 |
| EmilienM | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175850) | 15:05 |
| EmilienM | the idea here is to perform the cherry-picks patches automatically | 15:05 |
| mfisch | how would you keep stuff that breaks juno out? | 15:05 |
| clayton | mfisch: I think the idea is to key it off of a commit tag | 15:05 |
| EmilienM | we also had some inputs from crinkle about a new branch for staging. crinkle, wanna talk about it? | 15:05 |
| crinkle | sure | 15:05 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: if it breaks juno, well... don't backport it. | 15:06 |
| crinkle | my friend pointed out to me that in other projects master should generally "work", and to that end some sort of "future" or "next" development branch could be created for kilo specific breaking changes | 15:06 |
| mfisch | thats the whole point of deprecations | 15:06 |
| mfisch | I mean thats why they deprecated those config options instead of just removing them like we did | 15:07 |
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| EmilienM | crinkle: the negative point of this is, we barely manage stable branches.... | 15:07 |
| crinkle | yes, branch management would be a little harder | 15:07 |
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| EmilienM | A good iteration for us would be to agree on a new policy of managing OS releases | 15:08 |
| EmilienM | and I think that should be a spec | 15:08 |
| mgagne | master is targeted at the next release, anyone relying on master to provision the latest stable branch shouldn't expect backward compatibility with previous stable branches. The only stability provided in with our interfaces (class parameters) | 15:09 |
| EmilienM | mgagne: I do agree with you. The issue we have *now* is we aren't all agree | 15:09 |
| mfisch | except that violates the whole point of deprecations in the other openstack projects | 15:09 |
| clayton | this isn't just a master issue, it's also an issue moving between stable branches | 15:09 |
| crinkle | I'm not saying provide backwards compatibility in master, I'm just saying someone should be able to check out master and run it without building special packages first | 15:10 |
| mgagne | EmilienM: I think it has always been the case (that master targeted the next release) | 15:10 |
| EmilienM | mgagne: it does. | 15:10 |
| clayton | some of the deprecation issues could also be addressed by enhancements to the config file providers | 15:10 |
| mgagne | clayton: sure but it was never meant to be that way | 15:10 |
| mgagne | clayton: it's not "our process is broken", it's "wouldn't it be great if" | 15:11 |
| EmilienM | mgagne: a blueprint (spec) would help here. | 15:11 |
| mfisch | does any other openstack project intentionally break the current release on master? | 15:11 |
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| EmilienM | mfisch: not AFIK but it could happen | 15:12 |
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| crinkle | no other openstack project depends this much on distro packages that have this kind of release cycle | 15:12 |
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| clayton | mfisch: I'm not sure it's actually an issue for other projects per se. I think the puppet modules are kind of unusual compared to existing projects. I assume chef, ansible, etc would have similar issues | 15:12 |
| mgagne | we have always been behind and always playing catch up. Now we are improving and making it earlier. I don't see why we should refrain ourselves from going forward with the latest release from master because someone expects to be able to install stable releases from master. It never was meant to be it. | 15:12 |
| EmilienM | the thing is, if we don't upgrade master with new configuration updates, operators will have WARNINGs in logs everywhere | 15:12 |
| mfisch | the cost tradeoff for that deprecation fix is not good for us | 15:13 |
| mgagne | if we wish to change it, lets think about it. But I don't see master as "broken" if it can't install Juno. | 15:13 |
| mfisch | it wasn't like that feature was required to make this work for Kilo | 15:13 |
| mfisch | you traded a warning message on service startup for breaking Juno | 15:13 |
| clayton | well, the problem right now is that master could easily be in a state where no one can install it other than vendors | 15:13 |
| mgagne | mfisch: we are moving forward. Removing deprecation is part of the work to make it to kilo | 15:13 |
| clayton | which is fine if you don't want anyone but vendors to do the work | 15:14 |
| mfisch | so delay it 2 months and nobody would have a problem with it | 15:14 |
| EmilienM | clayton: that's not the goal. | 15:14 |
| mgagne | we are trying very hard to release it at the same time as the next release, not 2-3 months later like we did before | 15:14 |
| Hunner | gerrit would have to test patches against multiple branches in this case | 15:15 |
| mgagne | we have to stay ahead of the curve if we wish to stay relevant | 15:15 |
| crinkle | the development branch would be able to keep those changes around and merged back at release time | 15:15 |
| mgagne | master is the development branch. | 15:15 |
| mgagne | if master is the "stable" branch, let's call it by what it is: stable | 15:16 |
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| clayton | for the time being, it might make more sense to see how much improvement we see with emiliens proposed change | 15:16 |
| clayton | re: backports | 15:16 |
| EmilienM | I would find a consensus that is consistent with OpenStack: follow deprecations & using master for current dev branch. | 15:16 |
| EmilienM | clayton: do you like this idea? | 15:16 |
| mgagne | people aren't happy with backports latency, we will have to figure out something else | 15:16 |
| mgagne | or improve the situation somehow | 15:16 |
| EmilienM | mgagne: well, the latency will be improved with what we are doing with yanis | 15:17 |
| mfisch | I'd like to see if that helps | 15:17 |
| EmilienM | are you guys ok if I start a blueprint and we continue the design/discussion on gerrit? | 15:17 |
| clayton | EmilienM: makes sense to me | 15:18 |
| mgagne | EmilienM: I was more or less suggesting making master compatible with (at least) one stable branch. If this is what people are expecting from master, we should consider it. But until it's done, we shouldn't revert stuff from master for that purpose. | 15:18 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: me too, but without trying, who knows ? | 15:18 |
| spredzy | good thing is that one can -1 the review until the commit message is happended for the backport thingy | 15:18 |
| clayton | EmilienM: I think the backport stuff that's going on is potentialy a great improvement | 15:18 |
| mfisch | agreed | 15:18 |
| spredzy | this way it will be up to us as a community to enforce that a fix is backported | 15:18 |
| EmilienM | cool, at least one positive thing here | 15:18 |
| spredzy | fix/feature/whatever | 15:18 |
| EmilienM | I have to deal with the timing. are you guys -1/+1 the blueprint idea? | 15:19 |
| clayton | My only concern there is that people may forget to add the tag. I'm not sure it's a good idea, but we may want to consider backport-potential tag mandatory. | 15:19 |
| clayton | +1 | 15:19 |
| EmilienM | I'll bring-up an etherpad before to groom all our proposals | 15:19 |
| mgagne | clayton: there is already a unique ID associated to each commit. When you cherry-pick, the Change id is kept. why not diffing master and stable branches and see what can be backported? | 15:19 |
| Hunner | It may be odd getting a patch that can be applied cleanly to two branches... | 15:19 |
| Hunner | Or will it just open another review if the patch is berged? | 15:20 |
| mfisch | It will probably be better if we keep up with it | 15:20 |
| clayton | mgagne: that'd probably be reasonable also, but we'll want to have some way to mark commits as evaluated for backport | 15:20 |
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| EmilienM | well, let's continue after the meeting with an etherpad + a blueprint. | 15:21 |
| EmilienM | we need to go ahead in the agenda, I'm sorry. | 15:21 |
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| mfisch | ok | 15:21 |
| nibalizer | o/ | 15:21 |
| EmilienM | #action EmilienM starts an etherpad (+ blueprint?) about deprecation/backport policy | 15:21 |
| EmilienM | #topic modules style | 15:22 |
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| EmilienM | spredzy: o/ | 15:22 |
| EmilienM | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet_ensure_style_guide | 15:22 |
| EmilienM | not sure yanis is still around | 15:22 |
| spredzy | Yep, I wanted to expose a possible solutin ^ | 15:22 |
| spredzy | so it involes mgagne comment about making a puppet-lint-plugin per rule | 15:22 |
| EmilienM | spredzy: can you raise the problem first ? :-) | 15:22 |
| mgagne | spredzy: per rule? wth =) | 15:23 |
| mgagne | spredzy: how about a generic plugin which our style like hacking? | 15:23 |
| spredzy | Oops sorry. missing context | 15:23 |
| spredzy | The initial idea was to provide an authoritaative document for style in our modules | 15:23 |
| spredzy | so the same style is consistent across all of them | 15:23 |
| mgagne | sure | 15:24 |
| mfisch | I like the idea if we can phase it in | 15:24 |
| clayton | The two proposals seem complementary. The lint plugin could link to sections in the doc | 15:24 |
| mfisch | +1 | 15:24 |
| mgagne | yep | 15:24 |
| mgagne | +/ | 15:24 |
| mgagne | damn +1 | 15:24 |
| gchamoul | +1 | 15:24 |
| clayton | +1 | 15:24 |
| EmilienM | +1 | 15:24 |
| crinkle | +1 | 15:24 |
| sbadia | +1 | 15:24 |
| spredzy | so q1. Would you agree for rule to be reviewed as code ? | 15:24 |
| jpena | +1 | 15:24 |
| EmilienM | sounds like a good proposal | 15:24 |
| spredzy | so discussions can take place in a review | 15:24 |
| gchamoul | ack | 15:24 |
| EmilienM | spredzy: yes, would make sense to have it in specs I think | 15:25 |
| spredzy | ok, since everyone seems to be ok with it we can move on | 15:25 |
| EmilienM | spredzy: thanks | 15:25 |
| spredzy | will try to provide a basic example soon | 15:25 |
| EmilienM | #topic https://bugs.launchpad.net/puppet-nova/+bug/1274979 | 15:25 |
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| EmilienM | mgagne: o/ | 15:25 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1274979 in puppet-swift "Introduce public_url, internal_url and admin_url parameters for endpoint configuration" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to David Moreau Simard (dmsimard) | 15:25 |
| mgagne | yep, I would like people to reconsider that proposition | 15:26 |
| mgagne | it's about removing the plethora of parameters in *::keystone::auth for more simple ones | 15:26 |
| EmilienM | big +1 on this one | 15:26 |
| mgagne | just like openstacklib kind of introduced | 15:26 |
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| mgagne | the big part is backport compatibility which I already addressed in my way | 15:26 |
| EmilienM | as usual, we need to support backward compat for one release at lease | 15:27 |
| mgagne | last time, the initiative got shutdown because people used the actual parameters to ease configuration of firewall and such | 15:27 |
| mgagne | as they have to explicitly pass in port numbers and IP adresses which could be easily reused by other stuff | 15:28 |
| clayton | so this is similar to the identity_uri changes that were already made? | 15:28 |
| mgagne | clayton: no but yes | 15:28 |
| mgagne | clayton: this part only concerns Puppet, it's not "forced" by a change in OpenStack itself | 15:29 |
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| clayton | nod | 15:29 |
| clayton | I think it makes sense, my only concern is the work required by deployers to update, but I think it's worthwhile | 15:29 |
| EmilienM | clayton: as usual I would say :) | 15:29 |
| mgagne | it's feasable | 15:29 |
| EmilienM | mgagne: with warnings (?) | 15:30 |
| mgagne | yep | 15:30 |
| EmilienM | ok | 15:30 |
| EmilienM | any other thoughts on this one? | 15:30 |
| mgagne | I already introduced a bunch of warnings in my origin changes | 15:30 |
| clayton | +1 here | 15:30 |
| mgagne | I'm more or less looking for objections | 15:30 |
| EmilienM | mgagne: any patch as reference to put in #link ? | 15:30 |
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| mgagne | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70411/ | 15:31 |
| EmilienM | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70411/ | 15:31 |
| EmilienM | mgagne: perfect. | 15:31 |
| EmilienM | it sounds like work will continue on gerrit if there are no thoughts | 15:31 |
| EmilienM | mgagne: thx | 15:32 |
| mgagne | np | 15:32 |
| EmilienM | #topic project naming | 15:32 |
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| EmilienM | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-openstack-naming | 15:32 |
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| EmilienM | well. I got an email last night from Puppetlabs folks - and they ask me to wait a bit to know if we can use PuppetOpenStack or not | 15:32 |
| EmilienM | in the meantime, we voted for a name | 15:32 |
| EmilienM | results are: http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_783794d78bcd45ad | 15:33 |
| crinkle | "Puppet Modules" is what we're debating about | 15:33 |
| EmilienM | if we can't use Puppet in project name, winner will be "Marioneta" | 15:33 |
| mfisch | +2! | 15:33 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: yes, thx | 15:33 |
| mgagne | looks like we have all we need to move forward | 15:33 |
| EmilienM | no need to spend too much time on it | 15:33 |
| EmilienM | later, there is TC meeting | 15:34 |
| EmilienM | where they decide about Puppet OpenStack integration, I'll follow that and give them this same update | 15:34 |
| EmilienM | #topic puppet-config-parameter-defaults | 15:34 |
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| EmilienM | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-config-parameter-defaults | 15:34 |
| EmilienM | clayton: o/ | 15:34 |
| clayton | Right now I feel like we're not very consistent about how we're handling config file values, and how parameters translate to config file contents | 15:35 |
| mgagne | "we don't consistently ensure that they're removed when they're no longer managed" yep | 15:36 |
| clayton | this is kind of a strawman document to cover how I understood the situation, and see what other people's thoughts are on it | 15:36 |
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| EmilienM | I've heard in the last meetings about a script that could check the default value in OpenStack ? | 15:36 |
| EmilienM | is it still something we consider? | 15:36 |
| mgagne | it was an idea to help us keep up with latest config changes | 15:36 |
| clayton | I'm not proposing we go and update all existing modulkes with whatever we decide all at once, but if we could agree on an approach it'd go a long way | 15:36 |
| mgagne | I'm not sure when we could make it possible | 15:36 |
| EmilienM | clayton: I think this could be part of our best practices that spredzy is going to push in specs, does not? | 15:37 |
| clayton | EmilienM: perhaps, it'd be hard to translate to a lint plugin, but I think we could document it as a policy | 15:37 |
| mgagne | EmilienM: I think it's a subject more important than naming parameter consistently | 15:37 |
| EmilienM | oh I'm talking about values | 15:38 |
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| EmilienM | clayton: doc would be a good start | 15:38 |
| EmilienM | core-reviewers would take that in consideration until we have a tool | 15:39 |
| EmilienM | clayton: how can we unblock the status quo ? | 15:39 |
| clayton | EmilienM: I think they're related. For example, if someone doesn't explicitly set a value, and the service has a reasonable default, I'd personally rather not have anything written in the config file. That potentially means ensuring the value is absent, or turning on purging the config files | 15:39 |
| clayton | EmilienM: I think we need some consensus on which of the two philosophies we want to adopt. Right now we're kind of all over the place | 15:40 |
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| clayton | Personally I feel unless someone is going to do the tooling required by the more expressive config files, we should go the other route, since it's probably less work | 15:40 |
| mgagne | It's a difficult subject because it could also mean that we could just refuse all changes introducing optional configs. People can already manage them with the config providers, why should we bother for ALL the configs? | 15:40 |
| EmilienM | yes, it's what I'm worried | 15:40 |
| EmilienM | mgagne: +1. Do you suggest any change in our config providers? | 15:41 |
| mgagne | EmilienM: not yet :P | 15:41 |
| clayton | mgagne: I think that's always a hard call to me, but my suggestion would be that even when we accept those, that they default to undef, i.e. not setting a value | 15:41 |
| mgagne | EmilienM: I've been thinking about a new feature though | 15:41 |
| clayton | instead of a default | 15:41 |
| EmilienM | mgagne: shoot | 15:41 |
| mgagne | EmilienM: like purge_if_undef => True | 15:42 |
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| mgagne | EmilienM: instead of having if else all over the place | 15:42 |
| clayton | mgagne: nod, I think something like that might make it a lot easier | 15:42 |
| EmilienM | wow, cool | 15:42 |
| EmilienM | maybe some side-effect? | 15:42 |
| mgagne | or we find a way to centralize all configs in a big manifest in a parsable format | 15:42 |
| mgagne | so we only have one place to update | 15:42 |
| mgagne | a bit like Chef attributes | 15:42 |
| EmilienM | that is going to be a mess | 15:43 |
| clayton | mgagne: my suggestion was to have similar behavior if the value was something magic, like 'absent' | 15:43 |
| clayton | or probalby a better name, 'unmanaged' | 15:43 |
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| mgagne | clayton: magic values are no longer magic when you find out that the value magic is a valid config value | 15:43 |
| EmilienM | I would rather see the "like purge_if_undef => True" thing that you can enable/disable for now | 15:43 |
| clayton | yeap, that's the downside. | 15:44 |
| mgagne | EmilienM: yep and disable it by default | 15:44 |
| clayton | but if we went that route then the parameter default could be the magic value, something like '<unmanaged>' might be better | 15:44 |
| mgagne | EmilienM: or find a way to make it not destroy everything | 15:44 |
| mgagne | clayton: lets not introduce more magic =) | 15:44 |
| EmilienM | clayton, mgagne: sounds like we start having something here. Can you use the etherpad to update the thoughts? | 15:44 |
| EmilienM | I need to move on the agenda | 15:44 |
| mgagne | sure | 15:44 |
| clayton | do we want purge_if_undef or do we want unmanged_if_undef? | 15:44 |
| EmilienM | mgagne, clayton: it will probably lead to a blueprint/specs later. sounds okay? | 15:45 |
| clayton | we probably don't want to remove vendor provided options from stock config files | 15:45 |
| mfisch | yes we dont ^ | 15:45 |
| mgagne | clayton: oh god =) | 15:45 |
| mfisch | or no we dont, however you want to parse it | 15:45 |
| clayton | mgagne: so you'd be ok with something more like unmanaged_if_undef? | 15:46 |
| mgagne | clayton: I would like to explore the idea | 15:46 |
| mgagne | clayton: see the feasability | 15:46 |
| clayton | nod, sounds like we need to investigate a bit | 15:46 |
| mgagne | sure | 15:46 |
| EmilienM | cool | 15:46 |
| EmilienM | mgagne, clayton: are we done for this one? | 15:47 |
| mgagne | I think so | 15:47 |
| clayton | I'm good | 15:47 |
| EmilienM | I have some announcements | 15:47 |
| EmilienM | #topic announcements | 15:47 |
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| EmilienM | #info Summit: collaborative day will be Tuesday - we will have a 50-100 people room for us - feel free to contribute to the agenda | 15:48 |
| EmilienM | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-summit-design-puppet | 15:48 |
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| EmilienM | #info Summit: Puppet/OPS will be on Wednesday morning | 15:48 |
| EmilienM | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-summit-ops-puppet | 15:48 |
| mfisch | we have the whole day on Tuesday? | 15:48 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: from 11am to 6pm Sir! | 15:48 |
| mfisch | Okay | 15:49 |
| mfisch | cool | 15:49 |
| EmilienM | #info Puppet 4.0: jobs are created as non-voting - waiting for https://github.com/rodjek/rspec-puppet/pull/265 | 15:49 |
| EmilienM | Hunner: thx for the work BTW on rspec | 15:49 |
| Hunner | It's green in travisci, but doing some last checking before merge | 15:49 |
| EmilienM | #topic keystone v3 | 15:50 |
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| EmilienM | richm: o/ | 15:50 |
| EmilienM | can you give us a *very quick* status & blockers ? | 15:50 |
| richm | let me get the list of reviews for openstacklib | 15:50 |
| EmilienM | richm: I dropped a comment, if we could have one single topic for all this work, that would help *a lot* | 15:51 |
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| richm | EmilienM: ok - gildub needs to fix his topics | 15:51 |
| EmilienM | ok | 15:51 |
| EmilienM | richm: without URLs, can you tell us what's up? | 15:51 |
| clayton | I'd like to officially thank richm for answering all my stupid keystone v3 questions the other day :) | 15:51 |
| richm | We would like to get https://review.openstack.org/173788 reviewed | 15:51 |
| EmilienM | clayton: +1 | 15:51 |
| richm | We're waiting on this ^^^ openstacklib review | 15:52 |
| EmilienM | #action please review https://review.openstack.org/173788 | 15:52 |
| richm | I've completed the core work to allow us to create multiple domains for multi-domain authentication | 15:52 |
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| richm | These are out for review | 15:53 |
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| richm | Based on this work, and on crinkle's conversion of glance to use the openstack provider, I'm using glance as a poc of using v3 with other modules | 15:53 |
| EmilienM | richm: I would help you to test it in our gate with beaker, so we can make sure we don't break something. Please make sure we have right dependencies in all the patches | 15:53 |
| richm | EmilienM: Is there anything I need to do other than make sure it is rebased to the latest master HEAD commit? | 15:54 |
| EmilienM | richm: doings patches dependencies in gerrit | 15:54 |
| EmilienM | we can take it offline | 15:54 |
| EmilienM | after the meeting | 15:54 |
| richm | ok | 15:54 |
| EmilienM | richm: thx *a lot* for this work (with imcsk8 btw) | 15:54 |
| EmilienM | I move on | 15:55 |
| richm | gildub is working on converting the keystone_service and keystone_endpoint resources to use keystone v3 | 15:55 |
| richm | imcsk8 is converting packstack to use keystone v3 | 15:55 |
| EmilienM | so we have testing in packstack (which is a good use case), great | 15:55 |
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| richm | as soon as I complete my preliminary puppet-glance work, I will update the bp with what I've found | 15:56 |
| EmilienM | richm: excepts 'need review' - do you need something else from us? | 15:56 |
| richm | EmilienM: no | 15:56 |
| richm | gildub will be working on v3 trusts | 15:56 |
| EmilienM | richm: ok - i'll catch up with you after the meeting (for testing & dependencies) | 15:56 |
| EmilienM | we have 4 min | 15:57 |
| EmilienM | #topic Default database collation (ie. current utf8_unicode_ci) | 15:57 |
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| EmilienM | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/puppet-ceilometer/+bug/1446375 | 15:57 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1446375 in puppet-tuskar "Default MySQL collate parameter is not the one from db_sync" [Critical,New] - Assigned to Emilien Macchi (emilienm) | 15:57 |
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| EmilienM | I expected from this meeting to agree at how we solve it | 15:57 |
| EmilienM | should we change the default? | 15:57 |
| mgagne | I know there is a problem but I didn't dig into it yet | 15:57 |
| EmilienM | is it going to break some data ? (I don't think so) | 15:57 |
| mgagne | we should make it consistent | 15:57 |
| crinkle | +1 to changingthe default, but we should also figure out the underlying cause of the issue so that if someone did want to change the charset, they could | 15:58 |
| clayton | EmilienM: I read up on this a little bit, it only effects sorting order for columns | 15:58 |
| mgagne | clayton: that's what I thought | 15:58 |
| clayton | the difference between the two is that the unicode collation does sorting properly | 15:58 |
| mgagne | I can do some tests but someone will need to help me understand where the "wrong" collate comes from | 15:58 |
| clayton | general takes shortcuts for performance reasons, but works on most languages | 15:58 |
| EmilienM | ok so we change the default? | 15:58 |
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| clayton | From what I read, general was discourged, since the performance differences for most people now days are pretty minor | 15:59 |
| mgagne | EmilienM: the current setting doesn't make sense and causes problem for me | 15:59 |
| EmilienM | mgagne: yeah, we need to find out where it's changed (db_sync) ? | 15:59 |
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| EmilienM | ok, I'll change the defaults and send patches. | 15:59 |
| mfisch | does it impact running dbs at all? | 16:00 |
| EmilienM | I'm sorry to tell you we are approaching the end. For open discussion and bugs/patches, please move on #puppet-openstack, we are all here I think | 16:00 |
| mfisch | sorry if I missed it before I got called away | 16:00 |
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| EmilienM | #action EmilienM changes defaults for https://bugs.launchpad.net/puppet-ceilometer/+bug/1446375 | 16:00 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1446375 in puppet-tuskar "Default MySQL collate parameter is not the one from db_sync" [Critical,New] - Assigned to Emilien Macchi (emilienm) | 16:00 |
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| EmilienM | I have to close guys, I'm sorry | 16:00 |
| EmilienM | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 21 16:00:38 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-04-21-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-04-21-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-04-21-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
| mfisch | thanks EmilienM | 16:00 |
| sbadia | thanks! | 16:00 |
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