Wednesday, 2015-03-25

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krtaylor#startmeeting third-party04:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar 25 04:00:22 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is krtaylor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.04:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'third_party'04:00
asselin_hi04:00
swestono/04:00
krtaylorHi asselin04:00
krtaylorhi sweston04:00
swestonhi krtaylor04:00
asselin_hi sweston...good to see you again04:00
krtayloranyone else here for third party ci working group meeting?04:01
swestonhi asselin .. thanks, I have been buried in switch design goodness :-)04:01
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swestonuh oh, looks like our host left04:06
asselin_yeah...was wondering what's up04:06
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swestonguess we will wait04:07
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krtaylorargh, I dropped connection04:09
krtaylorwhat was the last thing I posted?04:09
krtaylorsweston, asselin ^^^04:09
swestonwe figured .. krtaylor: anyone else here for third party ci working group meeting?04:10
krtaylorOMG04:10
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krtaylorhehheh, ok, well I said a bunch more :)04:11
krtaylorcut/paste time04:11
krtaylorsweston, yes, thanks for joining, I did review the spec04:11
krtaylorthe format for the 0400 meeting is usually a bit more laid back, since there are usually just a few in attendance04:11
krtaylor sweston I know what you want to discuss  :)04:11
krtaylorso maybe lets start with asselin04:11
swestonah ok04:11
krtaylorasselin, do you have anything to bring up?04:11
asselin_#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:downstream-puppet+owner:%22Ramy+Asselin+%253Cramy.asselin%2540hp.com%253E%22,n,z04:11
asselin_got a few patches up for the in tree 3rd party ci.04:12
krtayloryes, 4 have merged04:12
asselin_started with the log server as it's probably the simplest piece / lowest risk & not changing much04:12
asselin_really? 4? I need to take a look and see04:13
asselin_I guess the governance changes04:14
krtayloroh, actuall more: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:downstream-puppet,n,z04:14
krtayloractually too04:14
swestonstill working on the last one?  all i see is a rakefile and metadata.json04:14
asselin_sweston, which one's that?04:15
swestoninitial files for the puppet-openstackci repo04:15
asselin_there's a README & license. anything else needed for that?04:16
swestonI was expecting a manifest and some modules04:16
krtaylornot that I can see04:17
asselin_no...not yet04:17
asselin_that's in the depends on change04:17
swestongotcha04:17
asselin_sorry I mean needed by change04:17
krtaylorinitial populate, I like a smaller patchset04:18
swestonI see now04:18
asselin_yeah...I hope I did it right..not a puppet expert04:18
krtaylorme either, just enough to understand what our system is doing04:18
asselin_I still need to test it actually. But that's the starting point.04:18
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swestonI will take a look ... I have a new puppet server I have been dying to try out04:19
asselin_sweston, great thanks!04:19
swestonasselin, sure :-)04:19
asselin_I find it's easier to submit something and then test b/c i want to run it on a clean vm04:20
* krtaylor need to do some more reviews04:20
asselin_I guess I could scp from my dev box04:20
swestonI will download your module files and do some testing tomorrow04:21
asselin_so that's it...just wanted to say some progress was made04:21
krtayloryes, and it has04:21
asselin_hopefully this will iron out any issues with the plan forward04:21
krtaylorgood stuff, thanks asselin04:21
krtaylorspeaking of plan, I created an etherpad for topics to discuss04:22
krtaylornot much there yet, but we have a week or two04:22
krtaylor#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-third-party-ci-working-group04:22
krtaylorif you put something there, please put your nick next to it04:23
krtaylorwe'll do like last time I am assuming, load the etherpad up, prioritize and then see if we can get a slot04:24
krtaylorsweston, asselin, ack?04:24
asselin_ack04:24
swestonack04:25
krtaylorcool, wondering if I dropped again04:25
asselin_sweston, wil you be in vancouver?04:25
krtaylorI hope so04:25
swestonasselin, I do not know yet if I will make this one ..04:25
swestonkrtaylor, asselin, will you be there?04:25
asselin_yes04:26
krtaylorI got approval, so I can say yes for sure04:26
krtaylorI'll have to talk to infra and see if they have time for us a slot again this summit, with all the discussion on CI, I hope so04:26
krtaylorok, so if you all think of topics to discuss, throw them in the etherpad, I'll push out some thoughts there tomorrow04:28
swestonsure04:28
* asselin_ waiting to not be first :)04:28
swestonhehe04:28
krtaylorasselin_, hehheh, np, I'll jump in04:28
krtaylorsweston, so I did read the spec several times again and have a few suggestions for a simplified approach for the monitoring dashboard spec04:29
swestonexcellent, I'd love to hear them04:29
krtaylor#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135170/04:29
krtaylorjust for completeness04:29
swestonthe dashboard server is back up, btw ... #link http://dashboard.triniplex.com04:30
krtayloryes, excellent04:30
asselin_sweston, any data showing up?04:31
krtaylorimo, the accountability throws it off04:31
swestonjust a list of servers and operators right now04:31
krtaylorsweston, so maybe just start by saying that the design is for a way for third party systems to graphically see how their system is running compared to Jenkins04:32
swestonnice, I like that04:32
asselin_krtaylor, ++04:32
krtaylorthat is the criteria that most everyone is looking for04:32
krtaylorthen that removes all controversial topics from the spec, and judgement is not passed04:32
asselin_yeah, basically a read-only version04:33
krtaylorfor now04:33
krtaylorstart small04:33
krtayloralso simplify the implementation04:33
asselin_sweston, that's probably what you were going to do anyway04:33
krtaylormaybe start with describing a gatherer and a default UI04:33
swestonok, I will modify accordingly04:34
krtaylormaybe expand to discuss mysql backend for historical data04:34
krtaylorbut you can pro drop the API service for now04:34
swestonasselin, yes was going to start with initial data collection and go from there04:34
krtaylorcool, I'll be happy to add all of my comments to the spec, but I wanted to discuss them first04:35
asselin_so the rest of the discussion, which are good ideas, can go in a new spec, v204:35
krtayloragreed04:35
swestonkrtaylor well, I can leave it out of the spec, but that is built into the design .. the api is where all of the other calls go through, it holds the logic for operation04:35
swestonsimilar to the way which storyboard is built, as per jhasketh's suggestion on one of the early drafts of the spec04:36
krtaylorok, that's fine, I don't see that as a show stopper04:36
krtayloryes, exactly04:36
swestonok04:36
swestonI will also remove the data collection from the gerrit stream, it complicates things too much04:37
krtaylorthe vast majority of comments were around the criteria and classifying failures04:37
krtayloryes, good idea04:38
krtayloranything to simplify04:38
krtayloronce approved we can add/change04:38
swestonyes, the accountability is really what is complicating this04:38
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krtaylorbut I would also like to see mention of infra hosting the dashboard04:39
asselin_krtaylor, why?04:39
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swestonadditionally, I would like to remove the section on identification of a system which may be malfunctioning04:39
asselin_sweston, +104:40
krtaylorsweston, yes, thats what I meant04:40
asselin_that deserves it's own spec04:40
swestonkrtaylor, ok, just making sure we are on the same page04:40
krtaylorI'll add comments, it will make it more clear, hopefully04:40
swestonasselin_: +1, yes, it does04:41
krtaylorasselin, yes04:41
krtayloroops asselin_04:41
krtaylorone is your proxy I presume?04:41
* asselin_ is at home04:41
asselin_on a different irc client04:41
krtaylorgood to know04:42
swestonI can save my notes to create a second spec somewhere down the line, but for now should we agree to start with a simpler version of this one? or should a second spec be referenced in the first?04:42
krtayloralso, sweston we should get patrickeast involved here too, he had some good ideas04:43
krtaylorsweston, either abandon this one and start a more simple version, or just strip this one down first04:43
asselin_I don't see a need to reference the second in the first, other than to say, "these topics are out of scope and can be addressed in another spec"04:43
krtaylorsweston, I vote for the second that way it maintains the history04:43
krtaylorasselin_, agreed04:44
swestonagreed04:44
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swestonok, I think that gives me plenty to work with, new spec will be out tomorrow for reviews04:44
krtaylorsweston, if ok with you, I'll defer comments until tomorrow morning, I will make more sense after a nights sleep04:45
swestonkrtaylor, sure thing04:45
krtaylorthats all I had04:45
krtaylordid you all have anything else?04:46
swestonI am done, as well04:46
krtaylorok, well I'll wrap this one up then04:47
krtaylorunless there is anyone else lurking?04:47
swestonthanks for the input, krtaylor, asselin04:47
krtayloryou bet, glad to see you back04:48
asselin_yes04:48
krtaylorthanks you all, good meeting!04:48
asselin_goodnight04:48
swestonNight!04:48
krtaylor#endmeeting04:49
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garykhi, sorry for being late10:04
garykanyone here for the vmware meeting?10:04
rgerganovhi10:04
garykrgerganov: hi. hope that it is not you and i again ;)10:05
rgerganovlet's wait a couple of minutes10:05
garykrgerganov: ok.10:06
garykrgerganov: fyi - #openstack-meeting-410:06
garykoops - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167258/310:06
garyki need to set myself a reminder to post a mail to the list a few hours before10:07
garyki guess that I will do it in two weeks time10:07
garyksorry10:07
garyklast call for the vmware api…. anyone10:10
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garyksorry does not seem like anyone is showing. in two weeks time wi ill send a mail to the list prior…10:12
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yamahatahello17:01
s3wonghello17:01
yamahata#startmeeting servicevm-device-manager17:02
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s3wongyamahata: Sridhar doesn't seem to be online17:05
yamahatas3wong: okay.17:05
s3wongyamahata: since we have f2f next Monday, perhaps we should end this meeting early :-)17:05
yamahata+117:05
yamahatalet's start17:05
yamahata#topic Announcement17:06
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yamahataour proposal for presentation has been accepted17:06
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s3wongvery good17:06
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s3wongThursday @11:50am17:07
yamahata#link http://sched.co/2qik17:07
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yamahataWhat a surprise.17:07
s3wonglooking at the "telco strategy" track --- nearly all of them had to do with NFV17:08
s3wongseems like the emphasis of NFV as a use case for OpenStack is strong17:08
yamahatadefinitively.17:09
yamahataThere are many session than I expected.17:09
s3wongyamahata: I agreed. Especially compared to the K-Summit in Paris, for example, "networking" has a lot more conference sessions17:10
s3wongfor telco strategy, there are 15 talks17:10
yamahataYeah.17:11
yamahatathe sessions of networking are mostly for neutron networkings.17:11
yamahataIt represents that neutron has becoming mature17:11
yamahataand deployed17:11
s3wongthree days of networking conference sessions17:12
s3wongeven overlapping timeslots --- really a lot17:12
yamahatafor record17:13
yamahataopenmano populate its repo with code17:13
yamahata#link https://github.com/nfvlabs/openmano17:13
yamahataIt's another story that what's really there...17:13
yamahatas3wong: do you have anything else to discuss?17:14
s3wongas tcs said in the email, it doesn't have VNF Manager17:14
yamahataHmm...17:14
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s3wongyamahata: not really --- let's wait for the f2f17:14
yamahatasure.17:14
s3wongyamahata: see you next Monday17:14
yamahatasee you monday.17:15
yamahata#endmeeting17:15
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Rockygo/18:59
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Rockyg#startmeeting log_wg19:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar 25 19:01:22 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Rockyg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'log_wg'19:01
Rockygpinging jokke_ bknudson dhellmann19:01
bknudsonRockyg: my calendar has this meeting starting in 1 hr.19:02
bknudsonalso, I'm not going to be able to make it due to other work commitments.19:03
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Rockygoh.  you'right.  dam dst19:03
masteinhauserah, dang. I forgot about that too.19:03
Rockygk.  busy week for me, too.19:03
Rockygback in an hour, folks!19:03
Rockyg#endmeeting19:03
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Rockygi'm baa-aaaaacccck!19:59
Nikolay_St\o/19:59
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Rockyg#startmeeting log_wg20:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar 25 20:00:41 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Rockyg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:00
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RockygWho's here for logging?20:01
nkrinnero/ hi20:01
dhellmanno/20:02
Rockygjokke_?20:02
Nikolay_St\o/20:03
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RockygGood enough20:04
RockygDidn't get an agenda out for this week.  But, let's follow the typical20:05
Rockyg#topic action items20:05
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Rockygrockyg: error code spec --20:05
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RockygI am within about half an hour of ready for checkin, but I haven't had time to get everything resetup on my laptop.  so, I would like to request some help.20:06
RockygIf I can't "just do it", can I forwad it to someone and have them do the git review and add me as a coauthor?20:07
Rockygany volunteers?20:08
dhellmannnormally I would, but I'm going to be out for about a week starting tonigh20:09
dhellmannt20:09
Nikolay_StRockyg: may be I can help20:10
nkrinnerRockyg: i'm willing to help, but i am not very experienced here and can only start in about 15 hours. but i can definitely take a look. not sure if that helps.20:10
RockygOK.  My problem has been getting the repository clone.  I don't think I can submit without the infrastructure of that.20:10
Nikolay_StRockyg: but I'm not sure20:10
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nkrinnerNikolay_St: was faster20:11
RockygNot a problem.  I will make it happen :-)20:11
RockygI may reach out to you guys, though.20:11
nkrinnerNikolay_St was faster...20:11
RockygNext action item:20:11
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RockygNikolay_St -- etherpad20:11
Nikolay_Stnkrinner: I see :) np, I can pass it to you20:11
RockygNikolay_St: do we have a link for the etherpad?20:12
nkrinnerNikolay_St: we can look at it together, i am not sure if i can help anyway ;-)20:12
RockygNo fair, you guys in the same office?20:13
Nikolay_StRockyg: you mean that one? https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Logging-Improvements20:13
Nikolay_Stnkrinner: same to me :D20:13
RockygOh, good.  I've gotta get that into the Wiki page20:13
Rockygand the last is a ping to jokke_20:14
Nikolay_StRockyg: I was a little bit surprised because we discussed it on previous meeting20:14
Rockygjokke_: time to start the ML thread on logging priorities20:14
Nikolay_Stabout etherpad20:14
RockygYeah.  I didn't record it in the Wiki, also.  So I have the wiki up now and will put it in the actual wiki minutes20:15
RockygPlus mark the AI done20:15
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Rockyg#topic Open discussion20:15
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Rockygwhat else do we need to do/track/follow up on?20:16
Nikolay_Stuhm...20:17
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RockygOne of the other hot topics is referrer IDs20:17
Nikolay_Stwe have this patch in Sahara: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164755/20:18
Nikolay_Stwe don't want to merge it in Sahara, but we think we can discuss it somewhere because it should be useful to oslo.log20:18
Nikolay_Stis LWG right place?20:19
RockygYes.20:19
RockygAnd, dhellmann is a good source to look at it, too.20:20
dhellmannNikolay_St: you shouldn't need to do that, the oslo logging library already has a keyword adapter to do it20:20
Nikolay_Stdhellmann: nice20:20
Nikolay_Stdhellmann: can you give me a link20:20
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Nikolay_Stdhellmann: I think I miss it :(20:20
RockygLooks like we need to document this feature in the DevRef...20:21
dhellmannNikolay_St: I'm not sure it's a public class. Just call oslo_log.getLogger(name) and then use it like LOG.level(format, foo=bar, blah=bletch)20:21
RockygUnless it's already in oslo.log doc20:21
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dhellmannNikolay_St: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.log/api/log.html#oslo_log.log.KeywordArgumentAdapter20:22
Nikolay_Stdhellmann: ok, thx. will check it later this week20:22
Rockyg#info oslo.log  keyword adapter use example.  It can do what this patch does:  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164755/20:23
RockygNikolay_St, can you write a paragraph and or code example for documenting how you get it working?20:24
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Nikolay_StRockyg: you're talking about Adapter?20:25
Nikolay_Stsure20:25
Rockygdhellmann:  is there a possible rule of thumb we can publicize so that someone from oslo.log gets added to review list for any patch related to logging?20:25
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RockygNikolay_St:  Thanks!20:26
dhellmannRockyg: there isn't a separate review team for oslo.log, so it wouldn't be easy. I'm not sure the team that manages the library is the best group to review the updates in the applications.20:27
dhellmannNikolay_St: if you want to add some examples to http://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.log/usage.html I can help with reviews there20:28
Rockygdhellmann:  give it some thought on how we might be able to get a person or group to publicize for inclusion on stuff like this.  Maybe the log-wg or some tag or something;-)20:28
Nikolay_Stdhellmann: ok, I'll contact you20:29
RockygYeah, I know.  Not that simple.20:29
dhellmannNikolay_St: ok. I'm going to be offline after this meeting until the middle of next week, but I'll catch up with email then20:29
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Rockyg#action Need to devise a way to include member of log_wg on log related project patches -- TBD maybe next meeting20:30
dhellmannRockyg: well, we need the people first. Tracking related changes won't be that hard once we have people to do the reviews20:30
Nikolay_Stdhellmann: ok, I'm not sure I can take a look until the beginning of next week.20:30
Rockygdhellmann, yeah we can discuss next meeting.20:30
dhellmannRockyg: ok20:30
dhellmannNikolay_St: ok, I just didn't want you to think I was ignoring you :-)20:30
Nikolay_Stdhellmann: nevermind :D20:31
RockygMaybe we can use the liaisons if/when we get them20:31
RockygAnyway, anything else to discuss?20:31
dhellmannno news from me20:33
Nikolay_Stnot from me20:33
RockygNext week, we should have both jokke_ s email and the spec out, along with ML thread to advertise the spec, so might have some meat for the meeting.20:33
RockygLet's call this one baked.20:33
RockygThanks everyone!20:33
Rockygoh, yeah, bknudson couldn't make it....20:34
Rockyg#endmeeting20:34
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nkrinnerthanks everybody20:35
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Nikolay_Stbye-bye guys!)20:35
Nikolay_Stmuch quicker this week :D20:35
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Rockygjust a quick shout out ... dhellmann, your team has been *really* busy on the oslo.log documentation.  Love it!!!!!20:36
dhellmannthanks, Rockyg :-)20:37
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