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| dtantsur | hey all! who is here for the ironic meeting? | 17:00 |
| devananda | o/ | 17:00 |
| mat128 | o/ | 17:00 |
| rpioso | o/ | 17:00 |
| mariojv | o/ | 17:00 |
| dtantsur | #startmeeting ironic | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 12 17:00:34 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtantsur. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| lucasagomes | o/ | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
| dtantsur | #chair devananda | 17:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: devananda dtantsur | 17:00 |
| rama_y | o/ | 17:00 |
| rpioso | o/ | 17:00 |
| dtantsur | welcome all! our pretty light agenda can be found at | 17:01 |
| NobodyCam | o/ | 17:01 |
| dtantsur | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 17:01 |
| jroll | \o | 17:01 |
| rloo | o/ | 17:01 |
| dtantsur | #chair jroll | 17:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: devananda dtantsur jroll | 17:01 |
| * jroll has most of his attention on another meeting right now | 17:01 | |
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| dtantsur | #topic Announcements / Reminders | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements / Reminders (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:01 | |
| gabriel-bezerra | o/ | 17:01 |
| mjturek | o/ | 17:02 |
| sambetts | o/ | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | This week is an OpenStack RC week | 17:02 |
| xhku | o/ | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | while we don't follow the schedule strictly, it's really a good time to wrap up all major work | 17:02 |
| jroll | ++ | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | and prepare to mostly do bug fixing the remaining time | 17:02 |
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| dtantsur | jroll, I think we plan on services releases this week, right? | 17:02 |
| rloo | what is a 'services' release? | 17:03 |
| dtantsur | ironic and ironic-inspector | 17:03 |
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| dtantsur | and ironic-python-agent | 17:03 |
| jroll | dtantsur: was considering it, not sure | 17:03 |
| jroll | maybe just wait til next week and call it final? | 17:03 |
| dtantsur | ok, so it *might* happen :) | 17:03 |
| dtantsur | anyway, it's coming soon, jroll to decide :) | 17:03 |
| jroll | :P | 17:03 |
| rloo | so we're targetting next week as the newton-RC right? | 17:03 |
| dtantsur | https://trello.com/b/ROTxmGIc/ironic-newton-priorities still lists three priorities | 17:03 |
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| dtantsur | two of them are CI-related, the last one is notifications | 17:04 |
| rloo | we punted port groups | 17:04 |
| jroll | rloo: that was a random thought, not a question :) | 17:04 |
| jroll | er, s/question/decision | 17:04 |
| rloo | jroll: well, let's see what is 'left' to do in newton | 17:04 |
| dtantsur | #link https://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html Newton release schedule | 17:05 |
| jroll | indeed | 17:05 |
| dtantsur | Sep 26-30 is stated as a final week for intermediary releases | 17:05 |
| rloo | wrt trello, am moving portgroups to ocata, yes? | 17:05 |
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| jroll | +1 | 17:05 |
| rloo | i moved it :) | 17:05 |
| dtantsur | meaning, we have up to 2 weeks before the final release | 17:05 |
| lucasagomes | virtualbmc should be much more stable now, I will look at some data tomorrow and if so, should we already propose the patch to change the jobs removing pxe_ssh and replacing with ipmitool drivers ? | 17:05 |
| * lucasagomes means *_ssh | 17:06 | |
| dtantsur | lucasagomes, let's maybe leave it for open discussion? | 17:06 |
| rloo | jroll: wrt the three left in trello, are they must-haves for newton? | 17:06 |
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| lucasagomes | dtantsur, sure | 17:06 |
| jroll | so here's my thought on these | 17:06 |
| rloo | keystone policy support, CI:switch to virtualbmc, security groups for provisioning/cleaning network | 17:06 |
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| jroll | keystone could go either way, there's nothing major there but it's failing CI | 17:07 |
| jroll | virtualbmc stuff we should be doing | 17:07 |
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| jroll | security groups, I want to talk as a team about the riskiness | 17:07 |
| jroll | then in nice-to-have: | 17:07 |
| jroll | active node creation is only adding tests left, I'd like to do that | 17:08 |
| jroll | I think agent/partition should probably bump | 17:08 |
| jroll | notifications I would like, it isn't risky, but not sure if it will make it | 17:08 |
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| jroll | feel free to agree/disagree/etc | 17:09 |
| jroll | :) | 17:09 |
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| lucasagomes | heh | 17:09 |
| lucasagomes | I'm +1 on the notifications | 17:09 |
| lucasagomes | I think it's really nice to have it | 17:09 |
| rloo | i think the notifications will make it. i was going to do it last week but decided i wanted to spend a bit more time looking at nova's first. | 17:10 |
| lucasagomes | there are many patches for it, but if we get at least the base ones I'm already happy with it | 17:10 |
| jroll | yeah, I'd like to add the power notifications too | 17:10 |
| dtantsur | as soon as we agree on the base patch, the remaining should be simple | 17:10 |
| rloo | i haven't looked at security groups yet. i don't see many reviews on it though. | 17:10 |
| jroll | it's small but seems risky to land it this late | 17:11 |
| rloo | security groups patch, is just this one? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/361451/ | 17:11 |
| jroll | but people could persuade me otherwise | 17:11 |
| rloo | jroll: if you think it is risky, i don't think it should go in | 17:11 |
| gabriel-bezerra | not in the trello, but how about ironic consuming neutron notifications for synchronizing the port operations? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/345963/ | 17:11 |
| jroll | yes, that's it - it's SG for provisioning/cleaning networks | 17:11 |
| jroll | gabriel-bezerra: we're talking about the rest of newton, there's no way that will happen | 17:11 |
| devananda | security groups on prov/clean network looks small and relatively low risk to me, however, we don't have CI for it right now AFAIK | 17:12 |
| gabriel-bezerra | ok | 17:12 |
| sambetts | jroll: without the security groups changes we need to ensure that we document that the default security groups for those networks need to be open enough to allow the communication we need | 17:12 |
| jroll | yeah, lack of CI combined with "if this breaks, it breaks the world" makes me think it's risky | 17:13 |
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| jroll | sambetts: yeah good point | 17:13 |
| rloo | here's my question: who (which cores) want to look into the securit groups, test it, etc, this week? | 17:13 |
| * dtantsur wants to look into bugs rather | 17:13 | |
| jroll | I'm not sure I can, my calendar is slammed this week :( | 17:13 |
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| devananda | either way, we're missing documentation on what the security group settings should be for those networks | 17:13 |
| rloo | i think if we don't have two cores willing to commit, then it is too risky | 17:14 |
| jroll | ok, you've all convinced me to move from -0.5 to -1 | 17:14 |
| dtantsur | any other *features* people want to see in newton? | 17:15 |
| rloo | so if it doesn't go in, who will update the doc? volunteer please? :) | 17:15 |
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| jroll | dtantsur: nope! | 17:16 |
| dtantsur | :) | 17:16 |
| dtantsur | rloo, let's start with filing a bug maybe? | 17:16 |
| rloo | dtantsur: ok | 17:16 |
| dtantsur | good think about documentation is that it does not have to fit into newton timeline | 17:16 |
| dtantsur | * the good thing | 17:16 |
| gabriel-bezerra | dtantsur: driver specific included? | 17:16 |
| dtantsur | gabriel-bezerra, at this stage - yes | 17:17 |
| gabriel-bezerra | in the features for newton? | 17:17 |
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| gabriel-bezerra | we want inband inspection in oneview | 17:17 |
| rloo | i bumped security groups to Ocata (in trello) | 17:17 |
| gabriel-bezerra | RFE and patch sent for review | 17:17 |
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| dtantsur | if it hasn't had a few reviews already, chances are not too high it will get in... | 17:17 |
| dtantsur | anyway, link? | 17:17 |
| rloo | i moved 'keystone policy support' to 'nice to have' in trello | 17:17 |
| gabriel-bezerra | just a second | 17:17 |
| gabriel-bezerra | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367065/ | 17:18 |
| gabriel-bezerra | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1621530 | 17:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1621530 in Ironic "[RFE] Inband inspection for the OneView drivers" [Undecided,New] | 17:18 |
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| dtantsur | gabriel-bezerra, does not look huge, but the RFE must be approved first. torture jroll after the meeting please :) | 17:19 |
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| devananda | rloo: to be fair, keystone policy support is already in and documented, but one of the CI patches for it isn't passing yet | 17:19 |
| jroll | +1 | 17:19 |
| gabriel-bezerra | lol. OK | 17:19 |
| dtantsur | folks, do you think we can move on? | 17:19 |
| devananda | that being the preventative unit test that would prevent future API changes from landing without a policy check | 17:20 |
| gabriel-bezerra | thanks | 17:20 |
| rloo | devananda: so there is no coding? and/or we are talking about a bug(s) that need to be fixed? | 17:20 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, ++ | 17:20 |
| rloo | devananda: oh. | 17:20 |
| dtantsur | a unit test can land at any stage before stable/newton is branched IMO | 17:20 |
| jroll | dtantsur: +1 for moving on | 17:20 |
| dtantsur | #topic Review subteam status reports (capped at ten minutes) | 17:20 |
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| dtantsur | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 17:21 |
| dtantsur | the status report starts at line 90 | 17:21 |
| jroll | rloo: devananda: there's also a feature on the gerrit topic for keystone stuff | 17:21 |
| dtantsur | please update, if you haven't updated your items yet | 17:21 |
| * dtantsur is worried by the bug count | 17:21 | |
| rloo | dtantsur: the 35 high bugs? :-( | 17:23 |
| dtantsur | and overall number too | 17:23 |
| rloo | dtantsur: are most/all of those bugs triaged? | 17:23 |
| dtantsur | I wonder, however, if we should adapt Nova's procedure of closing too old bug reports | 17:23 |
| dtantsur | rloo, what isn't "New" is usually triaged | 17:23 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, I thought we had something already | 17:24 |
| dtantsur | lucasagomes, not really | 17:24 |
| dtantsur | they close even valid bugs if they are too old | 17:24 |
| dtantsur | it looks strange at first glance, but makes sense to me at a second | 17:24 |
| lucasagomes | oh, what? hmm | 17:24 |
| rloo | i'm not sure I like closing valid bugs if they are too old | 17:24 |
| dtantsur | if nobody fixed a bug in 1-2 years, who will figure out it now? | 17:24 |
| rloo | a bug is a bug | 17:25 |
| mat128 | state: Abandoned | 17:25 |
| lucasagomes | yeah I'm at the "first glance" stage yet, heh it doesn't look like a good solution to me | 17:25 |
| mat128 | or smt | 17:25 |
| rloo | whether it gets fixed or not, is another question | 17:25 |
| dtantsur | maybe? or maybe not a bug any more? or maybe a different bug now? | 17:25 |
| dtantsur | somebody has to spend a lot of time figuring out, and it looks like people are not too keen on figuring out ancient bugs | 17:25 |
| dtantsur | anyway, this is just a thought aloud :) | 17:25 |
| lucasagomes | yeah | 17:25 |
| rloo | maybe we need a different 'class' then; "old bugs that may not be valid". is that the 'abandon' thing? :) | 17:26 |
| mat128 | rloo: yeah, like abandoned ironic-specs ;) | 17:26 |
| persia | I've long been an advocate of preservation of bugs: if they change, but are reproducible, let them be unti lsomeone can fix them. That said, if a bug was a bug once, and is no longer reproducible with the given description, closing in some time period (unless somone documents how to reproduce) is very attractive (unless one wishes to support all historical branches, ever). | 17:26 |
| dtantsur | "if they change, but are reproducible" who knows it? | 17:26 |
| mat128 | persia: that means we should filter old bugs for "are still reproducible" ? | 17:26 |
| persia | dtantsur: Anyone who tries them. | 17:27 |
| dtantsur | who is going to go over the list and reproduce the bugs from time to time? | 17:27 |
| persia | mat128: That would be my recommendation, yes. | 17:27 |
| devananda | persia: that implies all bug reports include sufficient instructions to reproduce them :) | 17:27 |
| persia | devananda: And if they do not, they aren't reproducible on first triage, and the timer starts... | 17:27 |
| devananda | I would support closing any bug > 1yr old that isn't reproducible any longer | 17:27 |
| rloo | not just to reproduce them (and yes, they ought to), but we don't have a bot that will reproduce them. | 17:27 |
| dtantsur | also, before we go too far with this discussion: infra wants us to move our dsvm jobs to Xenial for *newton* | 17:28 |
| rloo | we're lucky that dtantsur even does triaging etc and I thank him for that | 17:28 |
| dtantsur | :) | 17:28 |
| rloo | dtantsur: xenial for newton and beyond? | 17:28 |
| dtantsur | rloo, correct | 17:28 |
| rloo | dtantsur: what does 'wants us to' mean? we're going to try to do it in the next 2 weeks? | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | just FYI, it might start happening at any moment. they're pressing hard. | 17:29 |
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| dtantsur | rloo, it means: soon the jobs will start switching. maybe tomorrow, maybe next week, not sure. | 17:29 |
| rloo | dtantsur: so it isn't our choice? infra will switch it when they want? | 17:30 |
| dtantsur | well, more or less so, at least IIUC | 17:30 |
| devananda | dtantsur: is there a way we can test that on patches, eg. with "check experimental" ? | 17:30 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, but we don't have to do anything do we? Maybe test on xenial and tell infra it works!? | 17:30 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, ++ | 17:30 |
| dtantsur | lucasagomes, that would be awesome | 17:30 |
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| dtantsur | devananda, we need at least one job for that, but first they asked us to clean up the current list of our jobs | 17:30 |
| dtantsur | which is something I've been doing for 2 days already :) | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | we're past 10 minutes cap for the status report. any questions, except for what I raised? | 17:31 |
| rloo | zuul is already running most/all? in xenial, right? | 17:32 |
| sambetts | dtantsur: thanks for doing that, I notice you fixed some mistakes I made when refactoring :D | 17:32 |
| jroll | right, once this is cleaned up, infra is going to start testing our jobs on xenial and going from there | 17:32 |
| dtantsur | rloo, a lot of tox jobs are xenial-only or xenial/precise | 17:32 |
| dtantsur | but not dsvm jobs, these haven't switched | 17:32 |
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| rloo | jroll, dtantsur: thx for clarifying | 17:32 |
| clarkb | the "stock" dsvm jobs are switched but working through all of the random specific ones | 17:33 |
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| dtantsur | aha, thanks clarkb | 17:33 |
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| dtantsur | #topic Stuck specs | 17:34 |
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| rloo | thx JayF and mat128 for migrating the install guide | 17:34 |
| dtantsur | not sure we have stuck specs at this stage :) | 17:34 |
| jroll | ditto | 17:34 |
| mat128 | rloo: =) | 17:34 |
| dtantsur | anyway, anything to bring *except* for driver composition update? ;) | 17:34 |
| rloo | one thing that came up that i don't have an answer for, osc plugin vs openstackclient | 17:34 |
| * jroll usually just skips this if nobody put any on the agenda | 17:34 | |
| dtantsur | #topic RFE review | 17:34 |
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| dtantsur | ditto, anything here? | 17:35 |
| jroll | wait, what's rloo 's question? | 17:35 |
| rloo | our python-ironicclient pulls in openstackclient. some people don't want that. | 17:35 |
| lucasagomes | not that I know of, I think it can be skipped as well | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | #topic Open discussion | 17:35 |
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| dtantsur | rloo, now go ahead please :) | 17:35 |
| jroll | lol | 17:35 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, isnt the idea to replace the ironic CLI with OSC ? | 17:35 |
| rloo | but if we don't pull in openstackclient, it means that anyone currently using our plugin, will have to do something extra to use our plugin | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | so yeah, different projects do it differently | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | for ironic-inspector-client and tripleoclient, OSC is the only CLI, so they definitely pull in OSC dependency | 17:36 |
| rloo | there isn't any consistency (yet) wrt how projects do it. | 17:36 |
| lucasagomes | should this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1562258 be critical ? I'm wondering because this may cause Ironic to hammer flaky BMCs because we can't configure a longer interval periodic for tasks like sync_power_states | 17:36 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1562258 in Ironic "Ironic does not honor the intervals passed to the @periodic decorators" [High,Triaged] - Assigned to Lucas Alvares Gomes (lucasagomes) | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | note, however, that OSC folks are discussing having a basic CLI functionality in osc-lib | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | if it happens, the problem will be solved | 17:36 |
| lucasagomes | (btw I've a fix for that locally, just need to right the commit message) | 17:36 |
| rloo | dtantsur: OH. that might work then. | 17:36 |
| sambetts | ++ on the ocs-lib thing | 17:36 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: if it broke during this cycle, maybe yeah | 17:37 |
| gabriel-bezerra | I'd put the RFE I mentioned above in the RFE requests :) | 17:37 |
| rloo | dtantsur: i only brought it up cuz there was a patch wanting to remove osc from the requirements. | 17:37 |
| dtantsur | lucasagomes, I usually put "critical" only when EVERYTHING IS BROKEN OH NOES | 17:37 |
| rloo | dtantsur: and if we wanted to do that, i figured we should do, have a story sooner rather than later | 17:37 |
| gabriel-bezerra | as dtantsur say, I'll check that out with jroll later | 17:37 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, right, yeah idk the answer :-) I have to investigate to see if it was this cycle of the past cycle | 17:37 |
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| jroll | gabriel-bezerra: feel free to link me now | 17:37 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, right, yeah maybe leave as high then | 17:38 |
| gabriel-bezerra | jroll: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1621530 | 17:38 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1621530 in Ironic "[RFE] Inband inspection for the OneView drivers" [Undecided,New] | 17:38 |
| jroll | gabriel-bezerra: thanks, and the question was if we do this in newton? | 17:38 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, I was wondering because there's no workaround for that, except changing the code | 17:38 |
| gabriel-bezerra | jroll: asked who had more features expected for newton. I mentioned that. | 17:38 |
| jroll | gabriel-bezerra: no patches for this? | 17:38 |
| gabriel-bezerra | yes | 17:39 |
| jroll | where? | 17:39 |
| gabriel-bezerra | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367065/ | 17:39 |
| jroll | thanks | 17:39 |
| dtantsur | lucasagomes, I think high is high enough (pun intended). critical to me is really like "everyone drops everything they've been doing" | 17:39 |
| jroll | hm, where's oneview CI on this | 17:39 |
| gabriel-bezerra | I registered the RFE after the patch. xavierr will still add the reference in the commit message. | 17:39 |
| gabriel-bezerra | oneview CI under maintenance | 17:39 |
| gabriel-bezerra | we had a major network change in the lab last week | 17:40 |
| rloo | lucasagomes, dtantsur: I agree, high is good. if it was critical, it would have been noticed in march when it was reported. I think. | 17:40 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, rloo ack, high is it then | 17:40 |
| gabriel-bezerra | things went awry | 17:40 |
| rloo | lucasagomes: but we/you can fix it in newton, right? | 17:40 |
| dtantsur | landing vendor stuff without CI... is something we wanted to avoid. no other objections to this RFE. | 17:40 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, yeah I've found out the problem few minutes before this meeting | 17:40 |
| gabriel-bezerra | We're working on fixing it | 17:40 |
| gabriel-bezerra | I understand the concern | 17:41 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, tho the solution is either a flaky one (reordering some imports) or an ugly one (reloading the module) | 17:41 |
| rloo | lucasagomes: great, thx for fixing it. i'll take a look at your patch when you have it fixed! | 17:41 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, I've an idea for a good solution too but it requires some changes in futurist | 17:41 |
| rloo | lucasagomes: we can't change futurist now, right? too late for newton. | 17:41 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, right. So yeah I will leave a FIXME in our code | 17:42 |
| lucasagomes | until we get the futurist stuff in, which is ok because can be done in parallel no problem | 17:42 |
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| lucasagomes | rloo, I mean I will fix the problem with the ugly-ish/flaky solution (probably the ugly-ish) and leave a FIXME | 17:43 |
| rloo | lucasagomes: :) | 17:43 |
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| dtantsur | anything else for today? wanna talk about releases? | 17:46 |
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| rloo | dtantsur: do we want to meet to review eg high bugs for newton? | 17:46 |
| sambetts | I think it would be cool to organise a bug smash | 17:47 |
| lucasagomes | sambetts, ++ | 17:47 |
| lucasagomes | we recently had one downstream (for bugzilla) and it was quite helpful | 17:47 |
| dtantsur | ++ for a bug smash. we're already having ones downstream, just discussing having upstream ones as well today | 17:47 |
| dtantsur | yes, this :) | 17:47 |
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| rloo | my focus (now) is to see if there are any bugs that we MUST/should fix for newton. | 17:47 |
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| rloo | although HIGH bugs aren't usually quick fixes :-( | 17:48 |
| dtantsur | somebody wants to come up with a doodle for such event? | 17:48 |
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| dtantsur | I guess this silence means "please do it yourself", right? ;) | 17:49 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, just a card on the "to do" column ? | 17:49 |
| sambetts | rloo: there are certainly some bugs looking at the list that are more like RFEs | 17:50 |
| dtantsur | lucasagomes, sorry? | 17:50 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, oh I was looking at the newton priorities board | 17:50 |
| dtantsur | roll call: who wants to participate in a bug smash this one next week? | 17:50 |
| dtantsur | s/one/or/ | 17:50 |
| lucasagomes | ++ | 17:51 |
| sambetts | o/ | 17:51 |
| lucasagomes | next week if possible | 17:51 |
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| rloo | am thinking. next week is too late | 17:51 |
| rloo | i mean, if we want to identify any bugs that need to be fixed for newton | 17:51 |
| * sambetts is on PTO from mid next week | 17:51 | |
| lucasagomes | rloo, oh right, yeah agreed | 17:51 |
| dtantsur | we can do both, if enough people attend | 17:51 |
| rloo | anyone avail wed? | 17:51 |
| sambetts | I should be | 17:52 |
| rloo | or i can take a look wed am my time and ping anyone who is around | 17:52 |
| dtantsur | Wed 3:30 pm UTC - roughly 5:00 pm UTC is fine by me | 17:52 |
| lucasagomes | I might be around too, but I won't stay until late | 17:52 |
| krtaylor | maybe use the ironic-qa meeting timeslot? | 17:52 |
| dtantsur | Europe morning is also fine | 17:52 |
| rloo | that works for me, or even earlier. | 17:52 |
| devananda | I'll be here wed. | 17:52 |
| rloo | krtaylor: the ironic-qa meeting time is a bit late for the europeans i think. | 17:53 |
| dtantsur | we can declare the whole wed the "ironic bug smash day", and coordinate on irc. wdyt? | 17:53 |
| krtaylor | yeah, 1700UTC | 17:53 |
| devananda | dtantsur: ++ | 17:53 |
| rloo | dtantsur: ++ | 17:53 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, ++ | 17:53 |
| lucasagomes | krtaylor, too late, I'll probably start earlier than that | 17:54 |
| jroll | wednesday is good for me | 17:54 |
| dtantsur | okay, I'll send an announcement to the ML | 17:54 |
| rloo | thx dtantsur | 17:54 |
| dtantsur | anything else folks want to bring up? | 17:55 |
| sambetts | oh dear... /me just found a giant chain of duplicate bugs, some medium some high that I would say are an RFE not a bug to do with mapping neutron ports to ironic ports | 17:55 |
| dtantsur | yes, this RFE-bug border is understood very differently by different contributors | 17:56 |
| jroll | well, those are from before RFEs :) | 17:56 |
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| rloo | meeting over? | 17:58 |
| sambetts | yeah... I think we might need to do quite a bit of cleanup for this sort of thing. /me opened a bug just now and it began I have a cluster of nodes in an Icehouse OpenStack | 17:58 |
| lucasagomes | yeah seems so | 17:58 |
| dtantsur | yes, I think we can wrap up | 17:58 |
| dtantsur | thanks all! | 17:58 |
| NobodyCam | thank you all | 17:58 |
| dtantsur | #endmeeting ironic | 17:58 |
| sambetts | thanks everyone! | 17:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 12 17:58:34 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2016/ironic.2016-09-12-17.00.html | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2016/ironic.2016-09-12-17.00.txt | 17:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2016/ironic.2016-09-12-17.00.log.html | 17:58 |
| jroll | thanks for helping dtantsur | 17:58 |
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| dtantsur | jroll, always welcome :) | 17:58 |
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| flwang1 | #startmeeting zaqar | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 12 18:02:42 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is flwang1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zaqar)" | 18:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zaqar' | 18:02 |
| flwang1 | anybody around? | 18:02 |
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| vkmc | flwang1, o/ | 18:11 |
| flwang1 | vkmc: haha | 18:11 |
| flwang1 | i even think nobody will come to zaqar's meeting anymore | 18:11 |
| flwang1 | vkmc: how are you | 18:11 |
| vkmc | yeah | 18:11 |
| vkmc | we don't have enough quorum anymore | 18:11 |
| vkmc | :( | 18:11 |
| vkmc | I'm doing good, you? | 18:12 |
| flwang1 | i'm good and busy for my baby | 18:12 |
| flwang1 | vkmc: what do you mean 'quorum'? | 18:13 |
| vkmc | aww, I saw something, you are daddy for second time? | 18:13 |
| vkmc | flwang1, I mean, Zaqar contributors | 18:13 |
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| flwang1 | vkmc: yep, i just got a baby girl :) | 18:14 |
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| vkmc | flwang1, awww, congratulations! | 18:14 |
| flwang1 | vkmc: thanks | 18:14 |
| vkmc | flwang1, taking an action on the amount of contributors we have in Zaqar | 18:14 |
| vkmc | I'm thinking | 18:14 |
| vkmc | wouldn't it be wise to do a call for contributors? | 18:14 |
| vkmc | in the maling list | 18:14 |
| flwang1 | vkmc: yep, that's bad | 18:15 |
| vkmc | there are several projects using Zaqar | 18:15 |
| flwang1 | we lose eva-i and without any notification, do you know what happened? | 18:15 |
| vkmc | not really :( | 18:15 |
| flwang1 | hmm... | 18:15 |
| vkmc | probably she got a full time position working somewhere else | 18:15 |
| vkmc | and she doesn't have time | 18:15 |
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| vkmc | to contribute to OpenStack | 18:16 |
| flwang1 | vkmc: could be, but at least she should send us a mail | 18:16 |
| vkmc | maybe yes... | 18:16 |
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| flwang1 | she just leave and without any notification, that's pitty | 18:16 |
| flwang1 | anyway | 18:17 |
| flwang1 | so you will be in barcelona right? | 18:17 |
| vkmc | I will be in BCN yes | 18:17 |
| flwang1 | i think we won't plan too much things given our current team size | 18:17 |
| flwang1 | and one of our topic in the contributor meetup will be 'how to encourage more contributors' | 18:18 |
| flwang1 | we proposed 1 fishbowl and 2 workgroup sessions | 18:18 |
| flwang1 | and a half day meetup | 18:18 |
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| flwang1 | but i haven't got confirmation | 18:19 |
| vkmc | ok :) | 18:19 |
| vkmc | it sounds good | 18:19 |
| flwang1 | so i just want to plan 2-3 tasks in ocata and will focus on improve some basic stuff | 18:19 |
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| vkmc | I already spoke about this with flaper87 | 18:20 |
| flwang1 | vkmc: what did he say? | 18:20 |
| vkmc | with this I mean... trying to get people to contribute to Zaqar | 18:20 |
| vkmc | but people working full time in open source | 18:20 |
| vkmc | that can dedicate to it | 18:20 |
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| vkmc | flwang1, he was going to check out with some people, I didn't get a response | 18:21 |
| flwang1 | vkmc: oh, i see | 18:21 |
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| vkmc | flwang1, I'm personally asking for people I know to help in Zaqar | 18:22 |
| vkmc | that's the only thing I can do right now | 18:23 |
| flwang1 | vkmc: that's good, thank you | 18:23 |
| vkmc | and regarding the summit... yeah, I think that having a meeting with hopefully new contributors | 18:23 |
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| vkmc | and working on debugging and features enhancement duties | 18:23 |
| vkmc | would be good enough | 18:23 |
| flwang1 | vkmc: and i'm thinking to resolve it from another side | 18:23 |
| vkmc | flwang1, is Catalyst using Zaqar on some front? | 18:23 |
| flwang1 | push the deployment again and again | 18:24 |
| flwang1 | vkmc: it's on the roadmap | 18:24 |
| flwang1 | we're replacing radosgw with swift, it's a big job | 18:24 |
| vkmc | ouch | 18:24 |
| vkmc | yeah I can imagine this | 18:24 |
| flwang1 | after that one, we will deploy octavia and then, if trove resolved his security issue, trove, otherwise zaqar i think | 18:25 |
| flwang1 | i tried my best to impact the roadmap | 18:26 |
| flwang1 | but the good news, there are some other companies are trying to deploy zaqar | 18:26 |
| flwang1 | and that what i said above | 18:26 |
| flwang1 | we need to push more deployments to get more usage and attention, then i think we will get more contributors | 18:26 |
| flwang1 | vkmc: i really really really need your review on this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348700/ | 18:27 |
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| vkmc | flwang1, we need more contributors in order to achieve plans we have of integration with other projects | 18:28 |
| vkmc | otherwise this doesn't scale | 18:28 |
| amrith | flwang1, not to interrupt your zaqar meeting but it has long been explained that there's no 'security issue' with trove. so I'd request that you please not perpetrate that incorrect notion. | 18:28 |
| flwang1 | amrith: aha, thanks for the reminder | 18:29 |
| vkmc | flwang1, you have done a great job :) | 18:29 |
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| flwang1 | vkmc: thanks, and i agree, we need to more contributor to make sure we can support the current integrations | 18:30 |
| vkmc | flwang1, let's focus on that then | 18:30 |
| vkmc | and of course, on the code reviews that are there | 18:30 |
| flwang1 | vkmc: i see, but the problem is even thought that's a clear goal, there is no clear target :( | 18:31 |
| vkmc | flwang1, wrt mission statement for the project? | 18:31 |
| flwang1 | vkmc: no, i mean | 18:31 |
| flwang1 | though we know we need more contributors, but it's hard to target, you know what i mean? | 18:32 |
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| vkmc | flwang1, yeah | 18:32 |
| flwang1 | that's a problem since 2 years ago, even longer before | 18:33 |
| vkmc | yeah | 18:33 |
| vkmc | ever since RAX left, we have had the same issue | 18:33 |
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| flwang1 | vkmc: yep | 18:37 |
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| vkmc | some action items them | 18:41 |
| vkmc | s/them/then | 18:41 |
| flwang1 | vkmc: hard to say now | 18:42 |
| vkmc | #action vkmc, flwang, flaper87 to do a call for more contributors for Ocata | 18:42 |
| flwang1 | vkmc: cool | 18:42 |
| vkmc | #action vkmc, flwang, flaper87 to organize meetings on that regard for the design session in OpenStack | 18:42 |
| vkmc | not sure if apart from the deprecation review, there is another high prio review | 18:42 |
| flwang1 | vkmc: we have | 18:43 |
| flwang1 | https://review.openstack.org/333536 | 18:43 |
| flwang1 | the install guide patch | 18:43 |
| flwang1 | if you want to see a nice install guide published on docs.openstack.org | 18:43 |
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| flwang1 | and https://review.openstack.org/352685 if you want to see zaqarclient can support HTTPS | 18:44 |
| flwang1 | and a zaqar bench fix https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348107/ | 18:46 |
| flwang1 | sorry for so many review requests | 18:46 |
| vkmc | it's ok :) thanks for working on this changes | 18:47 |
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| vkmc | let's call a meeting then, unless there is something else to bring up | 18:48 |
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| flwang1 | vkmc: ok | 18:49 |
| flwang1 | anything else? i'm going to end this meeting, since we have discussed the most important topic today :) | 18:50 |
| vkmc | coolio :) | 18:50 |
| vkmc | nothing else from me | 18:50 |
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| flwang1 | vkmc: cool, thanks for joining | 18:51 |
| flwang1 | #endmeeting | 18:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 12 18:52:00 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2016/zaqar.2016-09-12-18.02.html | 18:52 |
| vkmc | thanks flwang1! | 18:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2016/zaqar.2016-09-12-18.02.txt | 18:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2016/zaqar.2016-09-12-18.02.log.html | 18:52 |
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