Tuesday, 2014-08-05

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openstackgerritSteve Martinelli proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Add swift specs to specs.o.o  https://review.openstack.org/11186500:03
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Enable barbican,marconi,mistral in solum gate job  https://review.openstack.org/11106100:16
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Use cirros image for overcloud testing  https://review.openstack.org/10700700:16
clarkbgreghaynes: why is 111588  WIP?00:16
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Update IRC documentation to mention logging  https://review.openstack.org/10907800:25
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greghaynesclarkb: The tripleo specs page isnt created until a specs commit is merged AIUI00:30
greghaynesso its just an error site ATM00:30
clarkboh right, you need to merge something so that the post job runs00:31
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clarkbjeblair: sdague https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111094/4 is +1 verified now. my backward compat changes seem to have worked00:31
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clarkbok trusty images builds are in flight now00:39
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ianwmattoliverau: hi, ping : for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111646/ i'm trying to think of some fool-proof way to know you're on a rackspace host.  any thoughts?00:40
mattoliveraulet me take a look :)00:41
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ianwmattoliverau: hopefully someone will fix the image; i'm guessing i know why it got like that with cloud-init being installed via pip00:43
jeblairianw: OMG! what in the WORLD is rackspace doing??00:43
jeblairmordred, clarkb: ^00:43
clarkbjeblair: they must be drinking alreeady00:43
clarkbjeblair: if we drink will that make it better?00:44
jeblairclarkb: only choice i see00:44
ianwjeblair: i think there maybe couldn't find the official cloud-init packages and pip-installed it00:44
jeblairphschwartz: ^ fyi00:44
clarkbafazekas: my goal tomorrow is to rereview the multinode d-g test stuff. I would like to do it now but just don't have the brain power00:45
phschwartzjeblair: What is going on?00:45
jeblairianw: not to dissuade you from your current course (particularly since this isn't ready), but hopefully soon we'll build our own images from scratch using diskimage builder, and we'll be insulated from that sort of thing00:45
phschwartzJust caught my attention.00:45
jeblairphschwartz: apparently some stuff is installed on rackspace images from pip00:46
ianwjeblair: yeah -- i've added centos7 to d-i-b :)  this is helpful for shaking out initial bugs00:46
jeblairphschwartz: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111646/  and ticket 140804-ord-000013400:46
phschwartzianw: What image are you using? We don't have a lot of cloud-init images, but most are using a default package unless you are using an old debian image where cloud-init wasn't in the repo00:47
ianwphschwartz: this is centos700:47
clarkbafazekas: looks like it passes all of the tests and there is an explanation for why we setup networking prior to stack.sh. Why is that required?00:47
clarkbafazekas: is devstack not capable of creating a bridge for us? it seems like it should do these things00:47
phschwartzianw: What image id? Our default centos7 shouldn't even have pip installed.00:48
clarkbafazekas: my concern is that devstack multinode won't actually work without devstack gate00:48
phschwartzunless something has changed and not all the devs were told.00:48
clarkbafazekas: and that is something we have tried to avoid in all of our testing of devstack00:48
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jeblairianw: you are talking about a _base_ image, and not one of our images from nodepool, right?00:48
ianwphschwartz: CentOS 7 (PVHVM)00:48
ianwjeblair: yep, this happens if you just boot it plain00:48
ianwphschwartz: added to nodepool in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109906/1/modules/openstack_project/templates/nodepool/nodepool.yaml.erb00:48
phschwartzianw: Can you give me a uuid of a running instance with the issue so I can look at the uuid for the image in glance.00:49
ianwphschwartz: i'll have to boot one, hang on00:50
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ianwphschwartz: 99e5aaae-0b98-4424-b66e-d97b2375de22 -- building/booting now00:51
phschwartzwhich region?00:51
ianwphschwartz: Sydney (SYD)00:51
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Silence drupal cron job  https://review.openstack.org/11099200:52
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phschwartzianw: ok, I have the image uuid, you can kill it. ty00:55
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Fix formatting and indentation problems in third_party.rst  https://review.openstack.org/11110200:56
ianwphschwartz: if i had to guess, i think cloud-init is in EPEL and so probably someone pip-installed it.  however i think just recently there are official rhel7 cloud-init packages, but i'm not sure how/when that makes it down to centos00:56
phschwartzThey can be installed on centos the moment they are in epel00:57
ianwphschwartz: yeah, https://git.centos.org/summary/?r=rpms/cloud-init ; it's recent here00:58
phschwartzI will dig into the uuid and see what is going on. Might not be able to get back to you guys till tomorrow, I think the images team that builds them are out for the day.00:58
ianwphschwartz: no worries, i opened up ticket 140804-ord-0000134 if that helps00:59
phschwartzThat is probally the reason it was hand installed. I will see when I talk to the guys if they have a timeframe for a new image with the package from the repo00:59
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Add solum_guestagent pypy and python33 gate tests as non-voting  https://review.openstack.org/10831901:01
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clarkbwoot hpcloud trusty image builds are finishing up. /me walks home01:03
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mordredwow. I step away for a few and I come back to see pip installed cloud-init01:05
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rick__anteaya: HI!01:09
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fungijeblair: so *that's* where the bug was! i had given up staring at the source to the point where i was embarking on a git bisect to try and see if i could at least identify the commit which introduced that behavior change01:12
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phschwartzianw: That was the issue. Image was built before there was a centos7 version of cloud-init in epel01:14
phschwartzmordred: Looks like that was the path used to install on centos7 prior to the rpm being released on epel01:14
mordredphschwartz: spectacular01:15
mordredphschwartz: btw - don't know if you saw or not, but I sent in a bunch of patches to ansible over the weekend to make the plain nova module usable01:16
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phschwartzmordred: indeed I did see :)01:33
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mordredjeblair: fyi - gerrty does not do the right thing with alembic migration scripts if you don't install in develop mode02:14
mordredjeblair: I'll try to get aroudn to making a patch02:15
clarkbmordred: huh, is it not installing the scripts properly?02:15
mordredseems that way02:15
clarkb(I use pip install -e so not affected)02:15
mordredclarkb: yah - I'm guessing probably everyone does02:15
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openstackgerritJeremy Stanley proposed a change to openstack-infra/zuul: Report correctly when dequeuing dependent changes  https://review.openstack.org/11147902:17
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mspreitzhelp, `git review -s` is stuck03:00
clarkbmspreitz: what do you mean by 'stuck' ? not returning on command line?03:00
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clarkbI am going to guess that ssh is hung somewhere due to firewalls/proxies03:00
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mspreitzI mean it said "Creating a git remote called "gerrit" that maps to", then the URL, then nothing more03:01
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mspreitzI have done this many times before with no problem03:01
mspreitzI have no proxy configured03:01
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mspreitzI am doing this on laptop at home, not behind corporate firewall03:02
mspreitza finally...03:02
mspreitztraceback, "We don't know where your gerrit is" ...03:03
clarkbmspreitz: is there a .gitreview file?03:03
clarkbthen it may have been a network connectivity thing03:03
clarkbgit review is going to try and do a read only op against the gerrit server03:04
mspreitz`ssh -p 29418 mspreitz@review.openstack.org` succeeds in opening a connection03:04
mordredclarkb: I was telling pcrews about the crm114 stuff wrt logstash and stuff ... you guys should talk more smartly than me03:04
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clarkbmordred: yup we are chatting now03:04
clarkbpcrews: maybe we should chat here :)03:04
pcrewsmordred: we're chatting now :) jinx!03:05
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pcrewsSo, for posterity's sake, clark was being kind enough to tell me what was up w/ crm114 (that it is running, what data is available and how to make it more accessible).03:05
clarkbpcrews: so ya, on your end of things it may be good to just start looking at the data and hacking on https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/config/tree/modules/log_processor/files/classify-log.crm as necessary03:05
* mordred will draw pcrews into the scary world of #openstack-infra if it kills him03:06
clarkbalso that idea I had about making the uncategorized failures page link to queries that use error_pr03:06
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pcrewsInitial plan is to look at filters + maybe patch the elastic-recheck uncategorized report as well.03:06
clarkband I should do a better job about updating the bug tracking the logstash <-> crm114 derps03:06
mspreitzclarkb: so I blew the whole directory away and started over with a `git clone git://git.openstack.org/openstack/ceilometer.git` --- that worked just fine03:06
* pcrews has been delving into infra - perhaps it should be worrisome that it seems to make so much sense ;)03:06
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mspreitzand retrying `git review -s`, this time it worked!03:07
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mordredmspreitz: I think it's best to just back away slowly and not ask too many questions ...03:07
pcrewsclarkb: so, I'll poke at that and also see about submitting that patch for elastic-recheck.  Gracias for the time and info, wise sir.03:07
* mspreitz nods in agreement03:08
clarkbpcrews: np, let me know if you need more info03:08
pcrewsaye - http://troll.me/images/moar/moar-info-please-thumb.jpg :)03:09
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openstackgerritKanagaraj Manickam proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: namos - openstack infra device and service manager  https://review.openstack.org/10949403:54
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mspreitz`git review` is failing04:57
clarkbmspreitz: need more info04:57
clarkbgit review -v may be helpful04:57
mspreitzthird try is in progress04:57
mspreitz1st two failed the same way...04:57
mspreitz"fetching Gerrit"04:58
mspreitzand then "Write failed: Broken pipe"04:58
clarkbmspreitz: I think your connection to gerrit is bad04:58
mspreitz`ssh -p 29418 mspreitz@review.openstack.org` works just fine04:58
clarkbmspreitz: is it possible you are hitting it over ipv6 with git review?04:58
mspreitzI tried ssh twice, success both times04:58
clarkbor something like that04:58
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mspreitzclarkb: I am on laptop at home, on wireless home network.  Laptop's IPv6 address is a link-local address, only.04:59
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clarkbwhat does `mtr review.openstack.org` look like? is there a hop that is unhappy?05:00
mspreitzI see no "mtr" here.  I tried traceroute.  Got there on the 18th hop.  Hops 2 and 14 show all asterisks, all others show 3 good things05:02
clarkbmspreitz: mtr is like traceroute on steroids and shows you packet loss over time by pinging the intermediate hops05:03
clarkbmspreitz: a local test of `git review` against the sandbox repo has no problems setting up then pushing05:03
mspreitzIs there a version for MacOS 10.8?05:03
clarkbno idea05:03
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clarkbmspreitz: you might try running stream events and see if that connection dies after some period of time? ssh -p29418 review.openstack.org gerrit stream-events iirc05:05
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clarkbyup gerrit stream-events05:06
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rick__anteaya: Do you here?05:11
mspreitzclarkb: sorry for the pause, I found an mtr package and installed it, but could not find the mtr program...05:12
mspreitzI just ran `git review -v`, and it worked without problem05:12
clarkbmspreitz: you might try starting up a longer lived connection like stream events and see if it dies05:13
mspreitzOK, but first, tell me about git review -v, I am not familiar with it... is it just a verbose form of git review?05:13
clarkbmspreitz: yup, it basically gives you a trace of what it is doing05:14
clarkbmspreitz: which is handy when it breaks as you can identify the actual step that broke05:14
mspreitzclarkb: thanks.  I have launched `ssh -p29418 review.openstack.org gerrit stream-events`, and it has printed a few things, and no breakage yet05:15
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mspreitzclarkb: that event stream is continuing with no problem.05:18
mspreitzclarkb: so I am mystified about why `git review` fails three times but `git review -v` and the event stream succeed.05:18
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mspreitzclarkb: the event stream just died with a broken pipe05:27
clarkbcool progress05:27
clarkbthere must be a network issues of some sort between you and there05:28
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mspreitzI guess so05:28
clarkbstream events rules out any git specific issues too05:28
mspreitzodd that it consistently hit every use of `git review`05:28
clarkbI wonder if you just open a telnet/nc connection if it will die05:28
clarkbmspreitz: well a lot of connections are used iirc with git review05:29
clarkbso chances of hitting it probably go up05:29
mspreitzah, that could be it05:29
mspreitzNow my browser is stuck fetching a page from https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki05:29
mspreitzI think this is God's way of telling me to get some sleep05:29
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kashyapHeya, wondering if anyone know if I can I edit gerrit Username (to match my LP Username) in review.o.o settings, and assume everything Just Works?06:04
flaper87Guys, I tried to release a new version of glance.store on pypi but the job failed w/ 403 code. SergeyLukjanov mentioned that the project has to be created manually on pypi, could some of you do that for me? https://pypi.python.org/pypi/glance.store06:05
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mordredflaper87: done06:06
flaper87mordred: awesome, thanks!06:07
mordredflaper87: also, Invalid classifier "Development Status :: 4 - Alpha"06:07
flaper87oh, mmh, I'll fix that06:07
flaper87mordred: could you re-trigger the publish job?06:07
flaper87or is there a way I can do that?06:07
flaper87I'll just release a new version06:07
* mordred waves hands wildly in the ...06:07
flaper87mordred: danke, sir.06:08
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clarkbkashyap: I dont think so06:08
clarkbthat field is immutanle once set iirc06:08
kashyapclarkb, Ah, pity.06:09
kashyapclarkb, I realized late that LP just takes the username from email ID06:09
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kashyapThanks for the response, anyway. On a related note, in sometime, LP will be replaced with StoryBoard?06:10
openstackgerritlokesh s proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Adding windows disk-image builder project  https://review.openstack.org/11056206:11
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clarkbkashyap thats still the plan. but I dont think we have a date nailed down06:11
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rick__anteaya: I got service account. I cannot use this account in the gerrit. Does it right?06:21
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rick__does anyone get error base.pp when execute install_master.sh or install_slave.sh. It seems unable to get openstack_project inthe puppet.06:23
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ttxjeblair, reed: I reverted that accept_these_nonmembers change for -tc06:32
ttxjeblair, reed: that basically would make openstack-tc open and a duplicate of -dev, which it's not06:33
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openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Cleanup specs.o.o  https://review.openstack.org/11179406:34
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openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Cleanup specs.o.o, add infra-specs  https://review.openstack.org/11179406:37
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openstackgerrityolanda.robla proposed a change to openstack-infra/nodepool: Build images using diskimage-builder  https://review.openstack.org/4648207:42
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openstackgerritSteve Martinelli proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Add heat, cinder and glance to specs.o.org  https://review.openstack.org/11194607:45
openstackgerritIhar Hrachyshka proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Added non-voting pep8 job for sqlalchemy-migrate  https://review.openstack.org/11159707:45
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rcarrillocruzSergeyLukjanov: hi there, if you have cycles to re-review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109816/ i'd appreciate, thx07:51
rcarrillocruzhi jedimike07:51
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LuckyVegaHi folks, recently I am working on building CI for our ml2 driver. Since our code has not been merged to the master branch, when running the devstack-vm-gate script, the code in neutron project will be updated so our code is missing. Without the code, devstack will fail since it is configured to use our own ml2 driver. Any suggestions to solve this problem?07:58
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openstackgerrityolanda.robla proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Add logging to manage-projects calls  https://review.openstack.org/11092608:27
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openstackgerrityolanda.robla proposed a change to openstack-infra/nodepool: Build images using diskimage-builder  https://review.openstack.org/4648209:00
openstackgerrityolanda.robla proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Add logging to manage-projects calls  https://review.openstack.org/11092609:01
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openstackgerritTimur Sufiev proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Create merlin repo  https://review.openstack.org/11032509:25
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openstackgerritDina Belova proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Fix node Ceilometer MongoDB Devstack job is running on  https://review.openstack.org/11196910:02
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openstackgerrityolanda.robla proposed a change to openstack-infra/publications: New CI Automation doc  https://review.openstack.org/10957010:14
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openstackgerrityolanda.robla proposed a change to openstack-infra/nodepool: Build images using diskimage-builder  https://review.openstack.org/4648210:42
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evgenyfHi guys, is this the right channel for openstack/requirements project?10:56
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[1]trinathsHi, How to install the latest available Juno release on Ubuntu 14.04? I have found this http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/install-guide/install/apt/content/ch_basics.html#basics-packages but was unable to add the cloud-archive11:12
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Fix node Ceilometer MongoDB Devstack job is running on  https://review.openstack.org/11196911:42
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openstackgerrityolanda.robla proposed a change to openstack-infra/nodepool: Build images using diskimage-builder  https://review.openstack.org/4648211:56
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joaI'm back for new questions about CI o/12:31
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tongliany soul please help out on this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109109/.12:38
tonglitons of +1 already.12:39
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openstackgerritRussell Bryant proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Add experimental ceph job  https://review.openstack.org/11181212:54
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openstackgerritVictor Sergeyev proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Enable oslo.db testing on python 3.3  https://review.openstack.org/11200612:59
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evgenyfHi guys, is this the right channel for openstack/requirements project?13:04
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/git-review: Improve windows support for git-review --setup  https://review.openstack.org/11033113:17
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openstackgerritgaryk proposed a change to openstack/requirements: Update oslo.vmware to version 0.5  https://review.openstack.org/11202213:46
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AJaegerinfra team, could you review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111865 and also https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111794/, please? Both are about specs.o.o14:22
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jedimikewe're having a problem with install_modules.sh14:27
jedimikesome of the modules require concat, and specify >=1.0.014:27
sahidHi all, there is a way to remove an account from gerrit? (this account doesn't  have any comment or review)14:27
jedimikeconcat 1.1.0 installs stdlib 4.x, which is fine, but further on down install_modules.sh, it tries to explicitly installs stdlib 3.2.0, which it can't do so the script errors14:28
jedimikeI have a fix, which is to specifiy concat 1.0.0 and stdlib 3.2.0 at the top of the modules list14:28
jedimikehow does that sound?14:28
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jedimikespecifically, puppetlabs-haproxy requires concat >= 1.0.0, which now installs 1.1.0 and the 4.x version of stdlib, which makes it fail on the line trying to install stdlib 3.2.014:29
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openstackgerritAmit Gandhi proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Adds Poppy CDN Project  https://review.openstack.org/11109514:34
clarkbjedimike there is a different change to use stdlib 4.x proposed14:34
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clarkbsahid: no not really14:35
clarkbsahid: if the account hasnt been used does it need to be deleted or can you just leave it as is?14:35
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jedimikeclarkb, ok great, how far away is that from landing? This is stopping us preparing nodepool nodes correctly14:36
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clarkbjedimike it has +2s but imo needs testing before I will +2 it14:37
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clarkbalso we run install modules as is on our nodepool nodes and it works...14:38
clarkbyou must have other changes to the modules list if that is broken. my understanding is that second run of install modules will fail not first14:39
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sahidactually it creates mistake with the auto-completion14:39
jedimikewhat we're seeing is installing haproxy will install concat 1.1.0. Installing concat 1.1.0 installs stdlib 4. Installing stdlib 4 causes the explicit installation of stdlib 3.2.0 to fail14:40
sahidclarkb, if you try to typing "sahid" you will see two account14:40
jedimikeI have a fix, which is just to install stdlib and concat at the top of the list of modules. Is that worth landing while we wait on the stdlib 4 work?14:40
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clarkbjedimike probably not as both would need testing. so we should just test the long term fix14:41
jedimikeok, we'll have to have that as a local fix while we wait14:41
clarkbcan you test the stdlib 4 change?14:42
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clarkbI guess what I am getting st is if this is important to you maybe you can help :)14:43
jedimikeyes, it's important :) can you point me to the review?14:43
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Add swift specs to specs.o.o  https://review.openstack.org/11186514:43
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clarkbsahid we can remove the email from the second account to make gerrit completion ignore that account. are both accounts yours?14:47
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sahidclarkb, yes this could be nice14:49
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sahidclarkb, all of those accounts are mine14:49
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/devstack-gate: Disable cinder with ironic  https://review.openstack.org/10559915:02
openstackgerritIhar Hrachyshka proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Added non-voting pep8 job for sqlalchemy-migrate  https://review.openstack.org/11159715:02
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/devstack-gate: graduate oslo middleware  https://review.openstack.org/11178315:06
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jeblairttx: okay.  it's your list.  i don't agree that's what the change does -- the change is not going to make anyone _post_ to openstack-tc.15:07
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jeblairttx: the change just means that when people _do_ post to openstack-tc, who are also on openstack-dev (which they are most likely doing because of a -tc -dev crosspost, you don't have to spend all of your time moderating posts and asking them to stop.15:08
jeblairttx: in fact, assuming that in such a case you would moderate all of the messages through (which I've seen you do in the past), then I would say you're just doing the manual equivalent of the change.15:08
ttxjeblair: just a sec, on a call right now15:08
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openstackgerritVictor Sergeyev proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Enable oslo.db testing on python 3.3  https://review.openstack.org/11200615:26
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Added Designate devstack log files to be indexed by logstash  https://review.openstack.org/10800115:34
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phschwartzMorning infra15:42
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joahey there, How could I check/debug why the proper tasks do not seem to be run into my CI (jenkins)'s slaves ? Is there any good log file to check that ?15:43
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Switch monasca-common and monasca-thresh to bare-trusty  https://review.openstack.org/10815515:45
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jeblairphschwartz: good morning15:46
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ttxjeblair: not sure I follow you. The change basically makes -tc an unmoderated list for all openstack-dev subscribers (which means everyone).15:48
ttxI guess the question is... do we get more off-topic posts that we get on-topic posts from non-TC-members15:48
ttxIf we say we get more on-topic posts, then I guess we would make -tc unmoderated, rather than than add openstack-dev as allowed poster15:49
jeblairttx: as the moderator, you'd know best.  mostly what i've seen from outside is that whenever someone posts a tc motion to both lists, it ends up being a huge deal with a lot of posts about how crossposting is bad.15:49
jeblairttx: unmoderated is bad; you get spam.15:50
jeblairactually, we should say, open subscription, not moderation.15:50
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ttxsure, that's what I meant by unmoderated15:50
ttxcurrently the TC list is a list where only TC members are allowed to post. If we allow anyone from openstack-dev to post, then we should let anyone from openstack-tc to post :)15:52
ttxSo we could change the list policy and make it unmoderated for subscribers, but that's a significant policy change, I would ask the TC about it before pushing it15:53
mordreddstufft: if you're aroudn, can you remind me why it is that we're vehemently against putting setuptools in install_requires ?15:53
mordreddstufft: like, I remember that it's bad, but I've lost the why15:53
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dstufftI don't think we are anymore15:54
jeblairttx: fair enough.  i'm not going to push it anymore.15:54
cody-somervilleWhy does the post pipeline have regex for ref of "^(?!(devnull|refs/.*)).*$"? -- particularly the refs/.* bit15:54
dstufftbefore pip 1.5.something you could possibly get into a state where pip can't install stuff15:54
dstufftif setuptools got uninstalled and things failed before it reinstalled15:55
jeblaircody-somerville: so that it does not run on tags15:55
dstufftbut now pip can install setuptools withouit setuptools bieng present15:55
ttxjeblair: you can crosspost more so that the moderation work is so painful I give up15:55
dstufftso I don't think it matters anymore15:55
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jeblairttx: i don't understand that last sentence15:55
cody-somervillejeblair: What is the value of ref when it's actually a commit landing?15:55
jeblairttx: ah i understand it now :)15:55
cody-somervilles/landing/that has landed/15:56
ttxjeblair: heh15:56
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dmelladobut doesn't usually pip requires setuptools?15:56
jeblaircody-somerville: when a branch is updated, bizarrly, gerrit sets the ref to "master" or "stable/havana".  only when it's a tag does it set it to "refs/tags/foo".15:56
cody-somervillejeblair: Ok. Thanks for clearing that up for me.15:57
jeblaircody-somerville: the devnull thing is cruft and can be removed15:58
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openstackgerritJames E. Blair proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Remove devnull from post regex  https://review.openstack.org/11205716:03
openstackgerritDoug Hellmann proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Add cross-project unit tests for oslo libraries  https://review.openstack.org/8548716:04
mordreddmellado: it actually does not16:04
mordreddmellado: I mean, it requires setuptools to run - but it does not declare a dependency on it16:04
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dmelladoI see, thanks mordred!16:05
mordredthe problem with declaring a dependency specifically on setuptools is that by the time you're running the code to trigger the depend, you're already in setuptools - but you can trigger some VERY weird upgrade behavior by mistake16:05
mordredI just can't remember the actual problem16:06
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/config: add channel #openstack-monasca to eavesdrop log server  https://review.openstack.org/10910916:06
dmelladosounds like a terrible dependency hell... xD16:06
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dhellmannjhesketh: have a minute to chat about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96251/5 ?16:12
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openstackgerritMatt Kovacs proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Adding project saml-generator  https://review.openstack.org/11206116:12
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mordreddstufft: oh - ok, great! good to know16:15
openstackgerritDoug Hellmann proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Use publish-to-pypi consistently  https://review.openstack.org/9679916:16
openstackgerritDoug Hellmann proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Remove unused pypi jobs from projects  https://review.openstack.org/9625116:16
mordreddstufft: although, potentially, if you're on an older system with pip <1.5 and possibly old distribute and you pip install something that requires setuptools, your system could get hosed right?16:16
dstufftmordred: yes16:16
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openstackgerritDoug Hellmann proposed a change to openstack-infra/infra-specs: Add spec for adding cross-project unit test jobs  https://review.openstack.org/9588516:20
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mordreddstufft: thanks!16:21
clarkbsdague did you see latest d-g grenade sideways patch?16:29
clarkbsdague I think I am happy with it now and it will allow us to do both ironic and neutron sideways upgrades16:30
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sdagueclarkb: yeh, I saw it briefly. I'm working through some stuff for my linuxcon presentation today, so will take a look again this afternoon16:32
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clarkbI also have a config change up to move existing jobs to new grenade var stuff. need to push change to add sideways jobs and cleanup backward compat in d-g16:34
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jeblairclarkb: it's the first time we've tried to make grenade go sideways ;)16:34
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/requirements: Adding new global requirement for pyasn1_modules  https://review.openstack.org/11146416:48
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/requirements: Adding new global requirement for pyasn1_modules  https://review.openstack.org/11146416:48
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jeblairjhesketh: can you take a look at 11147916:53
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ruheinfra core could you please help to endmeeting at #openstack-meeting-alt ?17:03
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jeblairruhe: ack17:04
ruhejeblair: thanks!17:04
jeblairruhe: it looks like the meeting just started; what's the problem?17:05
ruhejeblair: adrian_otto is trying to end the meeting which started an hour ago17:06
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jeblairINFO 2014-08-05T16:17:11 supybot Exiting due to Signal #15.17:09
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adrian_ottohey jeblair17:10
jeblair16:06 < openstackgerrit> A change was merged to openstack-infra/config: add channel #openstack-monasca to eavesdrop log server  https://review.openstack.org/10910917:10
adrian_ottoI manually copied the transcript for that meeting17:10
jeblairsomeone merged a meetbot change in the middle of a meeting17:10
mordredit was not me17:10
jeblairthat restarts the bot17:10
adrian_ottoI have to step out for a couple of hours, but I can email the meeting content if we want to manually create a log entry for it17:10
jeblairadrian_otto: it should still be logged, just not in convenient meeting format17:11
adrian_ottooh, good.17:11
adrian_ottook, so anything further needed from me? I'm being tugged away.17:11
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jeblairadrian_otto: nope, sorry about that17:12
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jeblairSergeyLukjanov: fyi -- changes that update the eavesdrop configuration cause it to restart and lose track of ongoing meetings17:12
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adrian_ottojeblair: np, stuff happens.17:12
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jeblairSergeyLukjanov: sometimes we try to approve those when there aren't any meetings happening17:12
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openstackgerritEric Windisch proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Nova experimental check on docker dsvm  https://review.openstack.org/11180817:14
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jesusaurusin zuul's layout.yaml, what is the pipeline ref matching for ref-updated? I'm confused by the "devnull" in the post queue17:25
jesusaurusis that usually just refs/heads/master (or whatever branch the change is for)?17:26
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clarkbjesusaurus see scroll back17:26
clarkbcody asked similar questions17:26
jesusaurusoh, heh, thanks17:30
clarkbtldr is gerrit is weird. devnull is old17:31
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jesusauruswas devnull used in the older version of gerrit and disappeared after the upgrade?17:31
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jeblairjesusaurus: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/13712/17:35
jeblairjesusaurus: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112057/17:36
jesusauruswow, thats a low-number change17:37
cody-somervilleI'm not even sure if that devnull bit works anymore.17:37
jeblairjesusaurus: yeah, and if i'd waited a few hours i could have made it +100000 from the original ;)17:37
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cody-somervilleor at least it doesn't seem to work for branch deletion (I think).17:38
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jeblaircody-somerville: all it does is ignore branches called 'devnull'.17:39
cody-somervilleohhh, ok.17:39
cody-somervilleI thought maybe it was special keyword.17:39
jeblairnope, we literally had a branch called 'devnull' for a few hours.17:39
jesusaurusthats what i originally thought to, something to ignore the 000000 ref17:40
jeblairjesusaurus: afaik, that's still a wishlist item :)17:40
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cody-somervillejeblair: Hey. How was it realized that you were running into jenkins bottlenecks? What was the smoking gun?17:44
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jeblaircody-somerville: we've run into two kinds: mutexes for global state, and number of slaves attached17:46
jeblaircody-somerville: for the first, we saw jobs sitting around waiting for other jobs to do something before proceeding (which ended up serializing our parallel jobs)17:46
jeblaircody-somerville: we mostly solved that by eliminating plugins that depend on that kind of state mutex (but any new version could add one back at any time)17:47
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jeblaircody-somerville: for the second, it usually manifests as very slow times adding and removing nodes, or sometimes in performing any administrative request17:48
cody-somervillejeblair: Whats the max number of slaves you'd recommend per master?17:48
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jeblaircody-somerville: we try to keep around 100 nodes per master, we start to see problems above that.  i think we've seen around 180/master manage, but that's our safety zone.17:49
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jeblaircody-somerville: and these are on very big masters17:49
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cody-somervillejeblair: As in, instance sizes?17:50
jeblaircody-somerville: http://cacti.openstack.org/cacti/graph_view.php?action=tree&tree_id=1&leaf_id=4017:50
jeblaircody-somerville: yes17:50
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jeblair8vcpu rackspace standard (so perhaps roughly comparable to new hpcloud instances)17:53
clarkbnot quite17:55
clarkbstandard rax =~ 2x hpcloud 1.117:55
jeblaircody-somerville: we don't need all that ram, but we do need the cpu; jenkins has _many thousands_ of threads running; and if you look at the cpu graph, you'll note the biggest time sink is system time because of all the context switches17:55
clarkbat least for direct cpu comparisons17:56
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jeblairclarkb: what's the performance rax / hpcloud ratio?17:57
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clarkbits like 2/1 iirc a 4vcpu rax node was similar to 8vcpu hpcloud17:57
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jeblairclarkb: erm, then can you state the standard rax / hpcloud ratio in the same format, i seem to be getting confused.  :)17:59
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clarkbI have to dig through my old data give me a few18:01
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jeblairclarkb: we still seem to have ETOOMUCHPURPLE, but https://community.hpcloud.com/status/incident/2703 is resolved18:08
jeblairclarkb: any idea what's going on there?  do we need to do cleanup or something?18:08
clarkbjeblair: I don't know and yes the issue was resolved. It is possible we need to do cleanup18:08
openstackgerritEdgar Magana proposed a change to openstack-infra/infra-specs: Multinode spec for Neutron DVR testing  https://review.openstack.org/10649518:08
clarkbjeblair: Ran 10749 (+1) tests in 801.473s (+8.833s) is rax 8GB 4vcpu node running nova unittests. Ran 10744 tests in 2176.083s (-44.435s) is hpcloud 8GB 4vcpu node running nova unittests18:09
clarkbjeblair: that is not performance node18:09
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clarkbI don't appear to have run my check against a performance node, probably because those numbers are available via jenkins18:10
jeblairclarkb, cody-somerville: so you need a 10vcpu hpcloud node to match the 8vcpu standard rax nodes we run jenkins on :)18:10
jeblairoh, no i misread that, you need a 22 vcpu node?18:11
clarkbya something like that18:11
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clarkbhowever the scale isn't linear Ran 10744 tests in 431.773s (-32.514s) is 30GB 8vcpu hpcloud node18:12
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jeblaircody-somerville: so you may want to consider de-rating our observed maximums by some amount.  perhaps half.  so maybe target max 50 nodes18:12
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jeblairclarkb: it looks like we have about 83 nodes stuck in long-term delete state; half rax and half hpcloud18:14
jeblairand one tripleo18:14
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clarkbjeblair: interesting. are they all from a similar time period? and maybe the don't actually exist provider side?18:15
cody-somervilleI'm somewhat glad to hear we're not the only ones seeing nodes get stuck in long-term delete state.18:15
clarkbjeblair: let me know if you want me to poke at it18:15
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jeblairclarkb: yeah, it's a chronic problem18:15
jeblaircody-somerville: ^18:15
jeblairclarkb: 3/4 of the rax ones are from 28.0x hours ago18:16
jeblairmany of the hpcloud ones are from 168 hours ago18:16
clarkb168 hours ago would be the jenkins05 network blip?18:16
jeblairclarkb: if they don't exist provider side, then nodepool should go ahead and delete them18:17
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jeblair| OS-EXT-STS:task_state  | deleting                                                                                                              |18:18
jeblair| OS-EXT-STS:vm_state    | error                                                                                                                 |18:18
jeblairthat's a spot check from rax18:18
jeblair| fault                  | {"message": "Connection to neutron failed: Maximum attempts reached", "code": 500, "created": "2014-08-04T14:12:29Z"} |18:18
jeblairoh neat, never seen that before18:18
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clarkbjeblair: is that message from rax too?18:19
clarkbI guess that menas they are neutroning now? thats cool18:19
jeblairyep, from 'nova show'18:19
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jeblair| fault                  | {"message": "'ConnectionFailed' object has no attribute 'status_code'", "code": 500, "created": "2014-08-04T14:13:40Z"} |18:20
jeblairthat looks downright buggy18:20
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jeblairphschwartz: we have 41 instances in error state, most in dfw from 28 hours ago, but a few in iad,ord from various times (mostly preceding 28 hours ago) with a mixture of those two fault messages18:23
sdaguejeblair: I vaguely remember that bug in the gate18:23
jeblairsdague: that's unpossible!  gate bugs only exist in the gate!18:24
clarkbjeblair: :)18:25
jeblairsdague: perhaps that's even true; perhaps it takes nodepool running the gate to cause the bug to surface ;)18:25
fungijeblair: clarkb: i've been coordinating with phschwartz to get ops to delete those periodically. he also apparently has a script which will automate that until their next openstack update which includes the nova patch addressing this bug18:25
clarkbjeblair: any opposition to me kicking off image builds for the remaining images that we need before I can rebase fungi's change and remove github org from our jobs?18:25
clarkbfungi: ^ we are very close to being able to merge that change. maybe you want to rebase it?18:26
jeblairclarkb: none at all; you're fighting for nodes right now though18:26
clarkbjeblair: ya18:26
fungiclarkb: yes, i want rto rebase it. i'll see if i can squeeze it in before meting time18:26
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jeblairbug 121191518:27
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1211915 in neutron/havana "Connection to neutron failed: Maximum attempts reached" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121191518:27
jeblairfound that via e-r18:27
jeblairnot found the status_code one18:27
sdaguejeblair: yeh, so I think this is basically the neutron deadlock issue18:27
fungithe rax nodes stuck in error+deleting have gotten worse in the past couple weeks... but they've been going in and clearing them for us periodicaly. the hpcloud ones are building up over longer spans of time18:28
sdaguejeblair: yeh, the status_code ones that I can find are just tempest teardown (though in parts using official clients)18:28
sdagueI think it's basically the same issue18:28
jeblairthe only reference i google to that is fungi talking about this issue here: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-infra/%23openstack-infra.2014-06-12.log18:28
clarkbI just want ot point out how cool this ^ is18:28
clarkbe-r just leveled up18:29
sdagueclarkb: :)18:29
jeblairvery cool indeed18:29
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openstackgerritChris Johnson proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: add horizon irc room to eavesdrop bot config  https://review.openstack.org/11210618:30
sdaguelooking at the nova code I think the issue is highly likely to be the same issue. status_code is only used in neutron client code18:30
sdaguefrom nova18:30
sdagueso my guess is the connect fail failed ever so slightly differently, and exposed a half constructed neutron response that doesn't have status_code18:31
openstackgerritElizabeth K. Joseph proposed a change to openstack-infra/devstack-gate: Updates to README.rst  https://review.openstack.org/10742718:31
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/requirements: Update oslo.vmware to version 0.5  https://review.openstack.org/11202218:31
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fungisdague: if you're talking about the nodes stuck in error+deleting, i believe jogo wrote a nova patch which addreses it on master and rax has staged a port of that patch to their environment but not applied it yet18:34
jeblairfungi: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99796/5 this patch?18:34
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jeblairhe referred to it in that irc log; it's not immediately clear to me how it fixes an attributerror, though it still may correct the problem by letting us retry18:35
clarkbgreghaynes: I just approved a change to the specs.o.o index that will probably require you to rebase your tripleo-specs on specs.o.o change. sorry18:35
sdaguefungi: well those errors above are just normal neutron scaling issues that we've seen all the time in the gate18:35
greghaynesclarkb: \O/18:35
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jeblairso on the hpcloud side...18:37
jeblair| OS-EXT-STS:task_state             | deleting                                                                             |18:37
jeblair| OS-EXT-STS:vm_state               | error                                                                                |18:37
jeblair| fault                             | {"message": "Unknown auth strategy", "code": 500, "created": "2014-08-01T22:37:51Z"} |18:37
jeblair|                                   |     \"message\" : \"Internal server error\",             |18:38
jeblair| fault                             | {"message": "Connection to neutron failed: Maximum attempts reached", "code": 500, "created": "2014-08-04T23:15:06Z"} |18:39
jeblairha ^ :)18:39
jeblairtwo clouds :)18:39
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jeblairsdague, clarkb: ^18:39
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sdaguejeblair: is it easy to compute the incidence rate of that per 1000 nodepool ops?18:40
jeblairsdague: no -- i'm manually running 'nova show' on lists of uuids18:40
sdaguejeblair: ok18:40
jeblairsdague: however, we could probably patch nodepool to log the 'fault' field18:40
jeblairsdague: (for "next time")18:41
sdaguewell as a random thought exercise, that might be really interesting to callibrate gate vs. real cloud on an error like that18:41
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Cleanup specs.o.o, add infra-specs  https://review.openstack.org/11179418:41
clarkbjeblair: sdague: would it be worth writing up a ml thread along the lines of "Gate failures in the real world. Fixing these things is important see"18:41
sdagueyeh, logging faults seems like a good call18:41
sdagueclarkb: if you like, I feel like I yell at people about this too much :)18:42
sdagueok, farm time. biab18:42
jeblairclarkb, sdague, fungi: i think it would be useful to communicate this, yeah.18:43
clarkbok I can whip up a draft after meeting/lunch18:43
clarkbrussellb: commented on new ceph job. one last thing that should make jenkins happy18:43
clarkbrussellb: sorry I missed that the first time through18:43
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russellbclarkb: d'oh!  thanks :)18:44
russellbthat was annoying me18:44
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Add heat, cinder and glance to specs.o.org  https://review.openstack.org/11194618:44
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russellb(not finding the problem)18:44
openstackgerritRussell Bryant proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Add experimental ceph job  https://review.openstack.org/11181218:45
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jeblairclarkb, sdague: https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-neutronclient/+bug/129730918:46
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1297309 in python-neutronclient "Unauthorized: Unknown auth strategy" [Medium,Fix committed]18:46
jeblairit showed up in logstash (as recorded in the bug), but i don't think a query was written18:46
clarkbjeblair: do we just need to update neutronclient on nodepool.o.o then?18:46
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clarkbjeblair: that bug is marked fix released18:46
jeblairclarkb: no, that's coming from nova18:46
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jeblairclarkb: that's the 'fault' field on nova show18:47
clarkboh hrm18:47
clarkbso we need a new client and hp to roll out newer nova?18:47
jeblairi don't think we need a new client18:48
arosenI got a quick question so if i ssh to one of my nodepool nodes running a tempest job i see it's running these commands:  git-remote-http any idea where it's getting the ip configured from?18:48
jeblairclarkb: i think hpcloud's nova needs a new client.  but i think this is a second case of 'bug seen in the gate also seen in wild'.18:48
arosenthat ip is the address of eth0 on my box but it's not the right ip it should be using.18:48
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clarkbjeblair: oh I see. and yes agreed18:49
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clarkbarosen: that is for the gerrit url in zuul?18:49
clarkbarosen: I think that is where it comes from18:49
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clarkber wait, you are talking to our zuul right? then that must be from the zuul merger?18:50
clarkbarosen: in your jenkins job you can look at the parameter list and should see that ip/url18:50
clarkbarosen: probably easiest to work backward from there18:50
arosenclarkb: ah sorry my grep didn't find it i see thanks!18:50
arosenits in zuul.conf18:50
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* fungi is not bothering to correct his typos... too much packet loss18:52
fungii think the patch in question doesn't solve the errors, rather just makes it possible to delete nodes even when they're in an error state (which nova was not previously alowing)18:52
jeblairtteggel_: ^ we have 41 instances stuck in the error state after a delete request (apparently due to bugs that have been recently fixed in nova; yay!).  do you have a process for deleting those?18:52
* fungi grumbles about 3+minute lag18:52
fungimore like 20-minute lag that last time18:53
jeblairfungi: yeah, i think you're right.  still a big win for us.  i just wonder who's going to go find and fix the status code error.  :/18:53
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clarkbrussellb: that should do it +2 but still waiting on jenkins18:55
russellbclarkb: thanks!18:55
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jeblairclarkb, fungi: that seems to be the bulk of deleting issues at the moment.18:57
phschwartzjeblair: fungi: looking. The script is not 100% yet by the way. Issues with cells.18:57
fungijeblair: sdague: clarkb: agreed, the fact that we see this at random under tempest in devstack and also in the real world on our providers is a major impact statement about the efficacy of focusing on tracking down and fixing so-called "gate failures"18:58
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clarkbfungi: right it takes those statements from theory and puts them into the real world18:59
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fungiphschwartz: cool... any guesses as to why it's gotten so much worse in recent weeks?18:59
fungiphschwartz: mostly curious whether that increase in incidence correlates to some other changes which could help devs track down the underlying cause19:00
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fungibecause, as pointed out, just being able to delete them, while helpful, doesn't tell us much about what caused the communication errors which led them to end up in an error state to begin with19:01
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fungioh, meeting time19:01
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phschwartzfungi: not sure yet, they are trying to figure out the issue19:01
fungiphschwartz: yep. if they figure anything out, communicating that to the rest of the dev community (because we also see it under devstack during the normal course of testing openstack changes) would be a huge help19:02
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arosenclarkb:  so if i'm running my own 3rd party CI should I  have have zuul_url set to git.openstack.org or me?19:06
clarkbzuul_url should be you. zuul will construct the refs you need19:07
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openstackgerritJC Delay proposed a change to openstack-infra/git-review: get_remote_url(): honor any "url.<base>.insteadOf" config setting  https://review.openstack.org/10985119:09
arosenclarkb:  right now i'm seeing this error on my jenkins node running the tempest jobs: http://paste.openstack.org/show/90650/19:10
clarkbarosen: currnetly in a meeting but look in /var/run/zuul/git on the zuul merger box iirc19:11
clarkbarosen: and double check that your git repos have the right permissions and look like repos19:11
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/zuul: Merger: support for pruning remotes  https://review.openstack.org/9214119:11
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/zuul: Merger: support for finding branches in remote  https://review.openstack.org/9216119:13
arosenclarkb:  /var/lib/zuul/git is owned by zuul19:13
clarkbarosen: can apache read the repos?19:13
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clarkbor whatever web server is servingthem19:13
fungiarosen: is your zuul and does openstack-dev/devstack exist within the path apache has aliased at /p?19:14
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/zuul: Add accessor for Repo._initialized  https://review.openstack.org/9748719:14
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/zuul: cloner to easily clone dependent repositories  https://review.openstack.org/7037319:14
arosenfungi:  maybe this tis the issue: http://paste.openstack.org/show/90659/19:14
arosen10.0.0.46 -> (is the floatingip)19:15
fungiand as clarkb points out, you need to adjust your apache config to serve git repos... i believe there are examples in the zuul docs, but if not they're definitely in our puppet manifests19:15
fungiarosen: oh, perhaps if your slaves can't connect to that ip address directly, could explain it19:15
arosenfungi:  the salves are trying to connect to the floatingip19:16
fungiarosen: i expect that to work, but maybe you have nat triangulation/symmetry issues in your network19:17
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arosenfungi:  in the access log is see: - - [05/Aug/2014:12:18:00 -0700] "GET /p//openstack-infra/devstack-gate/info/refs?service=git-upload-pack HTTP/1.1" 404 225 "-" "git/"19:18
arosenso i don't have the paths right or something.19:18
clarkboh is /p// <- the double / causing problems maybe?19:18
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arosenclarkb: if i do:  i get a 40419:19
fungiarosen: did you follow the recommendations for configuration at http://ci.openstack.org/zuul/merger.html#serving-zuul-git-repos ?19:19
arosenfungi: yup looks like i have all of that in apache already http://paste.openstack.org/show/90660/19:22
phschwartzjeblair: fungi: They are cleaned19:22
clarkbphschwartz: woot thank you!19:22
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fungiphschwartz: thanks again!19:23
clarkbnodepool should be able to clean up those nodes in its db now19:23
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arosenDo you guys have an example of your apache config for this up anywhere ?19:23
fungiyeah, in the past it's culled them on its next pass, usually within 10 minutes19:23
fungiarosen: we have our actual apache config up somewhere. link on the way19:23
arosenthanks again for all your help here guys : )19:24
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/nodepool: Record provider AZ info in graphite.  https://review.openstack.org/9735619:26
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fungiarosen: https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/config/tree/modules/zuul/templates/zuul.vhost.erb19:27
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fungiarosen: if you used our puppet module for zuul, presumably it got configured for you19:27
arosenfungi:  i'm curious the output of: ls  /var/lib/zuul/www ; i have: http://paste.openstack.org/show/90666/19:28
openstackgerritRussell Bryant proposed a change to openstack-infra/release-tools: Check for tardiff and add site to README.  https://review.openstack.org/10957219:29
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fungiarosen: same... those are files used for the built-in status webui not for git repos19:29
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fungiarosen: those will likely be in /var/lib/zuul/git19:30
arosenfungi:  if you point your browser to: http://<zuul_url>/p do you see anything or 404?19:30
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fungiarosen: http://zm01.openstack.org/p19:32
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arosenfungi:  okay I think my issue is in /var/lib/zuul/git: i only have openstack-dev/sandbox . What populates this directory?19:36
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/zuul: Add in check for successful swift setup  https://review.openstack.org/9372719:36
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clarkbarosen: the zuul merger process should populate it iirc19:36
clarkbarosen: it will clone and update and care for the repos there. and if they don't exist it should reclone them19:36
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/devstack-gate: Allow ceph backend for nova/cinder/glance  https://review.openstack.org/10090519:37
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/zuul: Simplified the scheduler very slightly  https://review.openstack.org/9786919:38
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arosenin my zuul/zuul.log it's saying:  WARNING zuul.Scheduler: Project openstack/cinder not found etc for each project19:43
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clarkbarosen: oooh ok, I think that means it can't talk to gerrit19:44
clarkbarosen: or clone from gerrit?19:44
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arosenclarkb:  in /etc/zuul/zuul.conf should: server=review.openstack.org it seems like it's missing the port number?19:47
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arosenmy /etc/zuul/zuul.conf http://paste.openstack.org/show/90676/19:48
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arosenssh -i /var/lib/zuul/ssh/id_rsa   arosen@review.openstack.org -p 29418 ; works19:50
openstackgerritMichael Krotscheck proposed a change to openstack-infra/storyboard: Adding Search endpoints and sqlalchemy impl  https://review.openstack.org/10147619:50
Shrewsclarkb: if we wanted to revert https://review.openstack.org/105599, what's the procedure for that?19:51
clarkbShrews: just propose a revert commit with a comment on why19:51
Shrewsclarkb: ok19:51
arosenhttps://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/config/tree/modules/zuul/templates/zuul.conf.erb#n9  , where whould i looke to see where: <%= gerrit_server %> is defined?19:52
fungiarosen: if you git grep 29418 in the zuul source you'll see it hardcodes that port number as a default19:52
clarkbarosen: its probably passed in from infra/config/manifests/site.pp19:52
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wilfredoI am installing a Third Part CI system and after submitting a review, I am getting the error "This change was unable to be automatically merged with the current state of the repository. Please rebase your change and upload a new patchset." Can someone help?19:56
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openstackgerritMichael Krotscheck proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Updated storyboard build to use new test modules  https://review.openstack.org/10619319:58
openstackgerritDavid Shrewsbury proposed a change to openstack-infra/devstack-gate: Revert "Disable cinder with ironic"  https://review.openstack.org/11212219:58
Shrewsclarkb: ^^^  i broke our gating, so we need that reverted for now  :(19:58
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nibalizerjeblair: so yea, there is a small (if any) delta between my proposed storyboard module and the storyboard module in infra/config20:01
nibalizerand krotchecks patch is a significant refactor of the same20:02
nibalizerwe could land his and i could split out again20:02
nibalizerits not hard to split out20:02
jeblairnibalizer: yeah, but since it already exists, the preferred method would be to propose a duplicate of his patch to the module20:02
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rcarrillocruzguys, how do you trigger 'throw away' CI builds in infra?20:03
rcarrillocruza jenkins plugin for example20:03
rcarrillocruzas it's not a 'source' thing that when gets changed the CI triggers the build and deployment20:03
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rcarrillocruzhow do you trigger it?20:03
nibalizerjeblair: none of my patches to the external module have landed20:03
rcarrillocruzyou upload the package to tarballs afaict, but not clear to me how the build is triggered (so jenkinsci-upload.sh script is run etc)20:04
fungircarrillocruz: you mean like when we make new releases? our zuul is configured with pre-release and release pipelines which match on tag references20:05
rcarrillocruzso instead of pushing a change, you push a ta20:05
openstackgerritMichael Krotscheck proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Updated storyboard build to use new test modules  https://review.openstack.org/10619320:05
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rcarrillocruzand that triggers all the magic?20:05
fungircarrillocruz: so someone pushes a git tag to gerrit and zuul runs the jobs20:05
rcarrillocruzand if there's no 'release' per se20:06
rcarrillocruzjust an emergency upload or something20:06
arosenI wonder if the repo's missing in /var/lib/zuul/git is at all related to /etc/zuul/layout.yaml as i only have projects: name openstack-dev/sandbox in there?20:06
fungiarosen: yes, entirely20:06
rcarrillocruzfungi: do a 'git show 782501b22806ef0c9510d71ad53dc51c73f8e426' on openstack-infra/config please, i mean point 1 from the commit message20:06
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fungircarrillocruz: those could run out of the post pipeline instead (where our zuul is configured to run jobs on every commit once it merges)20:08
fungircarrillocruz: for example that's how we generate and upload branch tarballs to tarballs.openstack.org20:08
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arosenhttp://paste.openstack.org/show/90689/ this is what my zuul/layout.yaml   I guess i should copy all the names from config/modules/openstack_project/files/zuul/layout.yaml20:10
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fungiarosen: for whichever projects you're going to be testing changes on, yes20:10
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rcarrillocruzcool, thx fungi, i will look into that20:11
arosenfungi: so if i'm going to be running dsvm-tempest-full i need to grab several of them? Does it make sense if I just copy  https://github.com/openstack-infra/config/blob/master/modules/openstack_project/files/zuul/layout.yaml#L756 down ?20:11
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fungiarosen: depending on what you're testing, whatever sets up your test environment should be getting other repositories it needs from somewhere besides your zuul merger though, since it will only serve projects for the changes you're testing20:12
openstackgerritMichael Krotscheck proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Cleanup javascript build  https://review.openstack.org/11140720:13
fungiarosen: so for example, we use something called devstack-gate to set up devstack for integration tests. it pulls from git.openstack.org for projects it needs if refs for them are not found on the zuuuul merger20:13
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fungizuuuuuuuuul merger20:13
fungiyay lag20:13
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arosenfungi:  right that's just what I was going to paste: http://paste.openstack.org/show/90691/20:14
stevemarAJaeger, ping20:14
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arosenfungi:  right now it's trying to pull from zuul-merger instead of git.openstack.org i  guess?20:14
stevemarAJaeger, nevermind, had to clear my cache!20:15
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openstackgerritJC Delay proposed a change to openstack-infra/git-review: get_remote_url(): honor any "url.<base>.insteadOf" config setting  https://review.openstack.org/10985120:15
openstackgerritDavid Shrewsbury proposed a change to openstack-infra/devstack-gate: Revert "Disable cinder with ironic"  https://review.openstack.org/11212220:16
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fungiarosen: so if you're going to test changes on sandbox and neutron, your zuu config should only contain those. if you use devstack-gate, it will try to pull, e.g., nova refs from your zuul merger, decide they aren't there (via a fairly ugly git error message) and then pull from git.openstack.org (the GIT_BASE envvar)20:17
rcarrillocruzfungi: i'm not familiar with that concept. when you push a tag, that itself triggers a release, does that go thru review (the push tag itself) ?20:18
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fungircarrillocruz: we would like for it to, but right now gerrit is lacking features in that area20:19
rcarrillocruzthing is20:19
rcarrillocruzwe have here a local nexus repository20:19
rcarrillocruzand people will need to upload artifacts to Nexus repos from time to time (missing libs, etc)20:19
rcarrillocruzand i'm trying to figure out a way that goes thru review, and leverages openstack infra CI (static privileged slave, etc)20:20
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fungircarrillocruz: instead a release manager (as defined by a gerrit acl setting permission for tag pushing) decides which ref to tag with what (pre)release version number and pushes that20:21
fungii apologize. the minutes of packet loss here aren't conducive to holding an engaged conversation20:21
arosenfungi: ah i see so this 404 error message is probably okay. I think i found why it might be failing: http://paste.openstack.org/show/90692/ line  57 says it's complaining about  "ImportError: No module named yaml"20:21
fungiarosen: you need pyyaml installed. i think we determined that there was a missing dependency in the zuul puppet module and i uploaded a patch to the manifest to fix it--not sure whether that's been approved yet20:22
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fungiarosen: specifically the puppet module tries to pip install zuul from source and when it gets to python-keystoneclient (for the swift artifact support) it fails to find the dev headers it needs to compile bindings in lxml, so the installation never completes and thus some modules are missing20:23
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fungiarosen: ahh, it was https://review.openstack.org/110807 (merged just before the weekend)20:25
arosenfungi:  yup just found it. I cd /root/config ; git pull origin master and pulled it in. Now to figure out how to get it installed on my system to it uses that code20:26
openstackgerritAdam Gandelman proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Consolidate and rename Ironic jobs  https://review.openstack.org/11213420:26
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marunclarkb, jeblair: I'm afraid I've found another potentially problematic sudo issue - removal of the stack user's permissions prevents unstack from working correctly.  Can you see a way around this without changing the devstack wrapper to configurably unstack?20:32
openstackgerritAdam Gandelman proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Consolidate and rename Ironic jobs  https://review.openstack.org/11213420:32
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arosenfungi:  how to you generally install the files out of the config repo? I  pulled in the latest changes but I'm still getting the same error.20:34
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fungiarosen: you need to puppet apply it20:34
arosenfungi:  I'm guessing this puppet change doesn't require me to rebuild a new nodepool image?20:34
fungiarosen: right, we're talking about changes tro zuul, not to nodepool workers20:35
openstackgerritMatt Kovacs proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Adding project saml-generator  https://review.openstack.org/11037820:35
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arosenfungi:   sudo puppet apply --verbose  --modulepath=os-ext-testing/puppet/modules:/root/config/modules:/etc/puppet/modules ; Could not parse configuration file: Certificate names must be lower case; see #1168 :(20:40
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clarkbmarun: can you run your stuff in the gate hook prior to sudo changes?20:42
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openstackgerritChris Johnson proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: add horizon irc room to eavesdrop bot config  https://review.openstack.org/11210620:46
fungiarosen: since i'm not sure what jaypipes intends for updating puppet manifests in his istructions, i'm afraid i won't be much helpwith that error20:47
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jaypipesfungi: for the most part, the os-ext-testing thing just uses the updates modules... but arosen, if you file an issue on the os-ext-testing repo, I will look into that specifically.20:49
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fungijaypipes: specifically, how are you reapplying updated puppet config on an already-deployed system?20:50
clarkbfungi: I think we are ready to merge the github org removal change20:50
clarkbfungi: were you still going to rebase that? I acn do it if it helps20:50
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fungiclarkb: yeah, sidetracked by meetings and helping answer questions. i'll do it now20:51
clarkbfungi: awesome20:51
jaypipesfungi: oh, sorry... I misunderstood.20:51
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jaypipesarosen: if you are trying to pull in any upstream changes, you would do: cd ~/config; git pull; cd ../; install_master.sh20:52
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marunclarkb: maybe?  Do you have an example of how to do that?20:56
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boris-42mordred hi there21:00
boris-42mordred what do you think about making POC of running tempest via Rally in gates?21:00
boris-42mordred does that makes sense?21:01
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fungiclarkb: oh, fudge. the specs publishing jobs reintroduce use of github-org and need to be refactored to figure that out from the git repo21:05
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clarkbfungi: oh no21:05
clarkb:( ok21:05
fungicamunoz: probably in ways similar to how it was done for the docs publishing jobs21:05
clarkbfungi: sdague jeblair https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/gate-bugs-in-real-cloud from earlier21:05
clarkbmarun: let me find one21:05
fungicamunoz: sorry, that was supposed to be clarkb21:05
clarkbfungi: should I whip that up or are you already working on it?21:07
fungiclarkb: i think i'm probably going to have to work on it after dinner, once family visiting winds down. it's going to be more involved than a simple rebase since we're going to need at least one more slave script updated on the nodepool images to stop using it21:07
clarkbfungi: ok no rush21:07
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SergeyLukjanovjeblair, yup, I know (re eavesdrop restart), looks like it was my tz calculation failure :(21:10
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jeblairSergeyLukjanov: hehe, whoops21:11
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Add git-upstream as new project to stackforge  https://review.openstack.org/10929221:11
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SergeyLukjanovjeblair, mordred, re project renaming - I'll be unavailable this saturday, but should be available next weekend (16-17) and I like to try renaming process21:13
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jeblairSergeyLukjanov: cool!21:14
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clarkbsdague: jeblair SergeyLukjanov https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/gate-bugs-in-real-cloud and whoever else wants to edit21:15
SergeyLukjanovjeblair, okay, /me making a note for the 16-17 weekend21:15
sdagueclarkb: works for me21:15
gpilzhello - I'm having trouble with review.openstack.org21:16
sdagueso you know the funny thing21:16
sdaguebug #2, the status_code one21:16
gpilzit won't let me update my contact information21:16
sdagueis actually the teardown path in tempest21:16
gpilzand, without contact information, I can't submit a change for review21:16
SergeyLukjanovclarkb, +121:16
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sdaguewhich we weren't failing on because we didn't want to fail in teardown21:16
clarkbsdague: fun21:16
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clarkbgpilz: you need to make sure that your primary email address in gerrit matches your primary email address in your foundation profile21:17
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clarkbgpilz: you can check your foundation profile at https://www.openstack.org/profile/ and your gerrit email address at https://review.openstack.org/#/settings/21:18
clarkbgpilz: can you double check that the email addresses match?21:18
gpilzI can't login to www.openstack.org21:18
clarkbgpilz: do you have a foundation profile? if not you will need to create one21:18
gpilzI work for Oracle21:18
gpilzthey are a corporate sponsot21:18
gpilzi use "gilbert.pilz@oracle.com" for all email records21:19
clarkbgpilz: sure, but individuals need to sign up with the foundation in order to update contact details. you can see the whole how to contribute process at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/How_To_Contribute#If_you.27re_a_developer21:19
clarkbreed: ^21:19
openstackgerritJim Rollenhagen proposed a change to openstack-infra/devstack-gate: Add Ironic-python-agent support  https://review.openstack.org/11214321:19
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gpilzI've got a Launchpad account21:20
gpilzI've agreed to the ICLA21:20
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fungigpilz: what instructions were you following? i want to make sure we get rid of any which aren't our official instructions (the ones clarkb just linked to)21:22
fungigpilz: since we get quite a few people ending up here who try to do things out of sequence and haven't set up a foundation membership account yet21:23
fungigpilz: so i assume there must be some incorrect/incomplete instructions floating around out there21:23
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gpilzthe instructions read "If you haven't already"21:24
reedgpilz: where are you stuck?21:25
gpilzwhen you go to https://www.openstack.org/join/21:25
gpilzyou are presented with a list of memberships21:25
asselin_I'm not getting e-mail from 3rd party ci comments. Is that expected? I thought i was inthe past. e.g. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111410/21:25
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fungigpilz: you haven't already21:26
asselin_for HP Cinder CI21:26
gpilzI know Oracle has joined as a corporate sponsor - so I have to assume that the expression "if you haven't already" evaluates to "false"21:26
reedgpilz: individual: https://www.openstack.org/join/register/21:26
reedgpilz: i'm fixing that wiki page and make it more explicit21:26
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gpilzOracle would fire me pretty quickly if I did that21:26
fungi"you" != "your employer" (perhaps we need to be more specific there)21:26
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fungigpilz: thanks!21:26
fungier, reed thanks21:27
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gpilz(join as an individual member)21:27
* reed sighs21:27
reedgpilz: thanks and sorry for the trouble21:27
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gpilznot a problem21:28
fungigpilz: oracle would fire you for becoming an individual member of the openstack foundation? or am i misreading?21:28
gpilzthis is the first time i've ever submitted a change for review21:28
gpilzperhaps not - i need to check21:29
reednow the wiki says: "If you're not already an Individual Member of the OpenStack Foundation"21:29
reedand links to individual member registration page21:29
reedgpilz: that's a very good thing to hear21:30
fungigpilz: the foundation individual membership is mainly a formality allowing you to vote in board elections and, as a (hopefully soon to be) code contributor, also participate in technical elections for the project21:30
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gpilzthere are other Oracle people that have contributed - let me see what they've done21:31
openstackgerritMark Vanderwiel proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Allow compatibility with Berkshelf 2.x and 3.x  https://review.openstack.org/11214521:31
fungigpilz: right now it's a prerequisite for submitting changes to our code review system, mainly so we can map up contributors for technical election purposes21:32
gpilzis that why I can't update my contact info on review.openstack.org?21:33
gpilzbecause the error I'm getting says that's the trouble21:33
krtaylorasselin_, you were, it got "fixed"21:33
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asselin_krtaylor, ok cool thanks21:34
fungigpilz: yes21:34
asselin_krtaylor, sorry...what do you mean by 'fixed"? fixed  = no more e-mails?21:34
krtaylorasselin_, yes, it was that way, then some component was upgraded, gerrit I believe, and then email flood, which was then fixed21:36
fungigpilz: our gerrit won't let you contribute patches to our official projects without first updating contact information, which then on the backend tries to check against your foundation membership to confirm it exists. if the foundation member system's api indicates it was unsuccessful in finding a profile with that primary/preferred e-mail address, then gerrit displays a contact info update error21:36
fungi(it's unfortunately not configurable, and so we can't make it more specific in gerrit)21:36
asselin_krtaylor, ok thanks for clarifying21:36
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* fungi needs to disappear again for a while. back in a couple hours21:37
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gpilzthanks for the help!21:37
jeblairsdague: you might find this interesting: http://crsmithdev.com/arrow/21:38
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sdaguejeblair: yeh, I just saw that on hackernews21:39
sdaguesoooooo much nicer than python date stuff21:39
hasharjeblair: thank you for the zuul merges :-]21:39
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mroddenwow can i get arrow included in py27 standard lib thx21:49
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mordredmrodden: it's easy21:51
mordredmrodden: "pip install arrow"21:52
mroddenyeah but... i have to like build venv's or install on system then21:52
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mordredmrodden: there's always docker21:53
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mroddendocker seems like way more work....21:53
mroddeni tend to use venv's for everything python now21:54
jeblairmrodden: i agree; a language's stdlib ought to be able to tell time.  :)21:55
mrodden^ that was more my point yes :)21:55
mroddenjust the utc.to()21:55
jeblairclarkb: i like your draft21:55
jeblairhashar: thanks for the code!  :)  i'm hoping we can really start to use zuul cloner soon21:56
hasharjeblair: i am starting to add some jobs on Wikimedia setup to use it21:56
hasharnote that the version merged does not support one of your fallback scenario21:56
hasharI have a follow patch but it is very bad code :-/21:56
dstufftmrodden: pip install --user arrow21:56
mroddenhmmm --user is a thing?21:57
jeblairhashar: yeah, i figure we can continue to work on it21:57
dstufftmrodden: yes, it'll install it to ~/.local/<stuff>21:57
clarkbjeblair: cool I will send that now21:58
hasharjeblair: there was a need to override the fallback branch on a per project basis21:58
ttxwow, sane time.21:58
mroddendstufft, cool...21:58
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hasharjeblair: some tests cases will surely help :]21:58
sdaguettx: yeh, seriously21:58
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ttxsdague: it's no fun. Why did we have to learn all this datetime wizardry and now newbies will just use arrow and make fun of us when we say "this time thing is hard"21:59
sdaguettx: it's still hard, now at least it's not impossibly confusing and hard at the same time :)22:00
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clarkbsent mail to list about gate bugs in the real world22:03
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mordredarrow.utcnow().format('YYYY-MM-DD HH:mm:ss ZZ')22:05
mordredthat's too much22:05
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mordredthere should be a simple "just show me a readable format" function22:05
mroddenmordred: i think there is22:05
mroddenthe example right after is arrow.utcnow().format() ?22:06
mroddeni closed the page... but i thought i saw that22:06
mordred>>> arrow.utcnow().format()22:06
mordredTraceback (most recent call last):22:06
mordred  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>22:06
mordredTypeError: format() takes at least 2 arguments (1 given)22:06
mordredbut ... it's still REALLY NICE22:06
mroddenoh it was arrow.get()22:07
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mordredI mean - literally EVERYTHING ELSE has sane defaults22:08
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reedmordred: including openstack22:09
mroddenoslo.time - replace datetime module with arrow22:09
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sdaguemrodden: I approve22:10
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sdaguemordred: str(arrow.utcnow())22:12
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openstackgerritAdam Gandelman proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Consolidate and rename Ironic jobs  https://review.openstack.org/11213422:17
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jamielennoxcan i enable github issues on a stackforge project? (prefer that to moving it to launchpad)22:19
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clarkbjamielennox: yes, I believe jeepyb has a flag if you want to do that22:20
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clarkbhas-issues: True?22:21
clarkbmordred: ^22:21
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jamielennoxclarkb: oh, cool - looks like i can enable pull requests as well?22:22
wchrisjHello folks - I'm looking for someone in this room who might be able to answer a question about another IRC channel - #openstack-horizon22:22
clarkbjamielennox: I think I would -2 enabling pull requests. the gerrit <-> github interaction won't be what you expect22:23
wchrisjThe founder of that channel has not been online in ~ 1.5 yrs...22:23
clarkbjamielennox: gerrit force pushes to github so its a single direction sync22:23
clarkbwchrisj: I think freenode ops can change ownership22:24
openstackgerritMichael Krotscheck proposed a change to openstack-infra/storyboard: Adding Search endpoints and sqlalchemy impl  https://review.openstack.org/10147622:24
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clarkbjamielennox: and zuul won't work with github. So if you want a github development system its best to not use stackforge22:24
mordredclarkb, jamielennox: we don't have any comprehension of github issues22:25
clarkbmordred: what is the has-issues thing in jeepyb then?22:25
clarkbmordred: is that a place holder?22:26
mordredclarkb: it might enable issues - but there will be no owner or anything, so I have no idea what having an issues for a _stackforge_ project would mean22:26
krotscheckclarkb: Is this the worst idea ever? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111814/22:26
jeblairjamielennox: fyi, if the project in question wants to join openstack, you should use neither issues nor pull requests22:26
jamielennoxok, not so worried about pull requests, does this mean though i've got no choice but to use launchpad for issue tracking?22:26
clarkbmordred: oh gotcha22:27
clarkbmordred: so who would close them and so on22:27
jamielennoxjeblair: it's a library and it's fairly standalone - so it doesn't really 'want to join openstack', it is a dependency though and i'd like to test library changes against the clients that use it22:27
jamielennoxi was looking for a middleground i guess - it might not exist22:28
mordredclarkb: right22:28
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mordredsdague: that's still ugly - this is what I want: https://github.com/crsmithdev/arrow/pull/12722:28
clarkbannegentle: in 111085 how is copyright different than attribution?22:31
clarkbor rather how is maintaining explicit copyright headers not a way to attribute the licensed thing22:31
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clarkbjeblair: fungi ^22:32
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jeblairblueprints != specs22:35
clarkbright specs are text and by default copyrighted in this country22:36
clarkband since we require attribution via the license we should be explicit about it22:37
clarkbat least that is my understanding of how this works22:37
clarkbotherwise attribute is hard22:37
jeblairclarkb: also, a "copyright license" is nothing without copyright :)22:37
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mordredso - companies tried to do this a while back and got yelled at22:46
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mordredmost notably my particularly overlord22:47
mordredand the decision from $people was that we were not interested in people putting copyright headers in such things22:47
mordredI am neither agreeing or disagreeing with this - simply repeating my understanding of the past22:47
clarkbmordred: yes well those people were wrong imo22:50
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clarkbmordred: but more importantly the apache license says put those things in a specific file if you want to22:50
clarkbmordred: I don't think CC does22:50
jeblairmordred: "such things" == launchpad blueprints22:50
jeblairmordred: they were trying to copyright ideas22:50
clarkbjeblair: lifeless I have put comments on 9562522:50
jeblairmordred: now we have specs.  those are bodies of text that are undoubtedly covered by copyright22:51
clarkbjeblair: no they want you to stop putting them in apache license headers to22:51
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jeblairclarkb: that is a different issue22:51
jeblairconfusing them does not help22:51
jeblairclarkb: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/LegalIssuesFAQ#Copyright_Notices_in_Blueprints22:51
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mordredyou both missed where I said I was not agreeing or disagreeing with the stance - what I'm getting at is that there is most likely a project-wide understanding that may be incorrect22:51
mordredand I'd like to suggest that I have no idea what the _right_ way to correct that is22:52
jeblairmordred: i do not think the project wide understanding of blueprints is incorrect22:52
mordredthat that applies to specs22:52
lifelessclarkb: thanks22:52
jeblairmordred: if that is a project wide understanding, then yes, it is incorrect.  however, i don't think anyone has actually thought about it.22:52
lifelessclarkb: huawei were talking 50 hypervisors, how many slaves we'd get from that I'm not sure.22:52
lifelessclarkb: I have another 100 hypervisors coming online soon22:53
mordredjeblair: I would classify "not having thought about it" as an issue - and in general, it seems like one that should be solved systemically22:53
jeblairmordred: we did decide, as a group to use cc-by, which i believe rather settles the question.22:53
clarkbjeblair: right I agree about not copyrighting blueprints22:54
jeblairmordred: i'd be happy for it to be solved systemically.  in the mean time, i'm not going to let the infra-specs situation get any worse.22:54
clarkbjeblair: and I confused the apache license copyright headers into this somehow22:54
clarkbjeblair: in that case I am going to approve 11108522:54
clarkbas I think we are mostly in agreement here?22:54
jeblairclarkb: i think even mordred has said he doesn't disagree :)22:55
mordred_we_ are ... I think it's worthwhile to raise this with the TC or the mailing list so that this same discussion doesn't happen in 100 different specs repos22:55
clarkblifeless: you need jumphosts too?22:55
jeblairmordred: ++ +legal-discuss22:55
clarkblifeless: you know hp has two /8s right?22:55
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lifelessclarkb: you know the cloud ip range is deliberately disjoint?22:56
clarkbit makes me sad that I get publicly routable IPs at my desk but the things that actually need public IPs are screwed22:56
lifelessclarkb: its not ever clear to me whether I'll end up with a 15/16 thing, or not.22:56
lifelessclarkb: so I don't plan for it22:56
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clarkblifeless: that makes me more sad.22:57
clarkblifeless: maybe I can donate my IP22:57
lifelessclarkb: host bastion.hp1.tripleo.org22:57
lifelessclarkb: for instance22:57
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lifelessclarkb: anyhow, IPv6 will happen, another 5-10 years I think22:58
mordredlifeless: https://tunnelbroker.net/22:58
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lifelessmordred: indeed, that is an option which I believe I already refer to in the spec22:59
* mordred needs to do spec reading22:59
jeblairlifeless: the only things in all of the openstack project that are not ipv6 enabled are www.openstack.org and hpcloud.22:59
lifelessmordred: we obviously need neutron ipv6 to be ready too22:59
mroddendid we have a bug where 12.04 LTS had a bad dnsmasq version...?22:59
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jeblairipv6 is here, and things that don't support it are behind the times22:59
lifelessjeblair: and the redhat tripleo region where we tried and couldn't get it23:00
lifelessjeblair: and neutron, though I don't have the exact details on the shortfall atm23:00
lifelessjeblair: and the huawei region they want to bring up where they can't get it - and I don't know if they will be able to punch through to a tunnel broker from behind ye great firewall23:01
lifelessjeblair: ip6 deployment is still under 4% - https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html23:02
lifelessjeblair: and https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=per-country-ipv6-adoption is interesting too23:02
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lifelessjeblair: but I'm just feeling frustrated right now since I don't think our focus should be on pushing a big industry wide adoption issue rather than figuring out how to deliver the functional requirements you have23:03
clarkblifeless: well I don't think that should be the focus either23:04
clarkblifeless: a more important question is "Is all this work worth it"23:04
clarkbit sounds like it may be, but we were taking that for granted apparently23:04
jeblairlifeless: i'm not pushing it for its own sake.  i'm pushing it because it's _actually_ the solution for this _actual_ problem.  but i also see that this conversation is likely to be fruitless and am happy to drop the ipv6 stuff.23:05
jeblairlifeless: your proposal fundamentally reverses the design direction that infra has been taking for 2 years.23:05
jeblairlifeless: that is very hard to overcome.23:05
lifelessjeblair: I'm happy if you want to say something like 'hey, ip6 via a tunnel broker would keep the layers and concerns separated'23:05
lifelessjeblair: and tell me and huawei to go cross-check whether thats viable23:05
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lifelessjeblair: for clarity, the design direction is to leverage the end-to-end model of ye internets23:06
jeblairlifeless: probably worth looking into.  i expect, based on my personal experience, for the broker to become the least reliable network component; but then, i don't have a lot of connections to cn, so it may not be.23:06
jeblairlifeless: yes, it's to remove all bottlenecks to horizontal scaling of workers up to zuul+gearman.23:07
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lifelessI am confused then; I thought we'd carefully ensured there wouldn't be a scaling bottleneck in the current version of the spec - yes there is overhead, but not a bottleneck.23:08
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lifelessbut - let me talk to jerry23:09
lifelessand sdague23:10
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jeblairclarkb: did you read my answer?  i do have plans to remove the ssh health check.23:14
openstackgerritJamie Lennox proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Add jobs to requests-mock  https://review.openstack.org/11216823:14
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clarkbjeblair: oh I see it now. this threading method has me very confused23:14
jeblairi don't understand why you and lifeless are commenting on the review by leaving line comments in the commit message :)23:15
clarkbjeblair: I don't either23:15
clarkbjeblair: lifeless said it had to do with gertty crashing23:15
clarkband I did it to keep my responses to lifeless as near the original as possible23:16
lifelessjeblair: gertty lost my reply like 5 times in a row and I got burnt23:18
lifelessjeblair: because it doesn't (AFAICT) stash the comments outside of the diff context for editing and revising23:18
openstackgerritK Jonathan Harker proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Send m-p cron output to system logs  https://review.openstack.org/11216923:18
lifelessI haven't had time to shave the yak for that yet23:19
jeblairlifeless: it does not; it may not be ready for use then.23:19
lifelessjeblair: its a work in progress, which is known :)23:19
jeblairlifeless: do you have tracebacks from the crashes?23:19
lifelessjeblair: not anymore sorry23:23
lifelessjeblair: (but equally, accidentally hitting esc also loses review message bodies)23:24
lifelessjeblair: so I'm not thinking of this as a crash-issue, but general UI23:24
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jeblairlifeless: yeah, definitely agree that escape should save23:25
lifelessat least two of those 5 times i reference were me muscle-memory hitting escape (since I live in vim...)23:25
jeblairlifeless: i think an external composer option for the message would be a reasonable enhancement23:27
lifelessjeblair: that could be nice too; I was pondering just putting the dialog for reviews inline on the review, with R a final-check-and-submit thing23:28
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/infra-specs: Add copyright placeholder to template  https://review.openstack.org/11108523:28
jeblairlifeless: i like that.  that would work well with the new reviewkeys feature: type in your message then hit meta-2 to vote.23:29
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clarkbis it really almost 000023:48
clarkbwow where did the day go23:49
clarkbI am going to aim for the 20th to do tox upgrade and trusty by default23:49
* clarkb writes email23:49
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/requirements: Upgrade django-pyscss to version 1.0.2  https://review.openstack.org/11174423:56
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