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| loquacities | people here might be interested in the personas work that's up for review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326662 | 00:13 |
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| annegentle | AJaeger: around? | 14:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: hey | 14:53 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: hey. was going to ask AJaeger to help with the FTP as I don't have the creds on this computer. | 14:54 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: at least it's not port blocking for now :) | 14:54 |
| Sam-I-Am | ok | 14:55 |
| Sam-I-Am | we should probably delete all old files | 14:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | cat lookabaugh proposed openstack/api-site: Add basic image sharing information https://review.openstack.org/327167 | 14:57 |
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| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: yeah, I typically do a sort by date, double-check it and hit delete. | 15:02 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i'm about to restructure the networking guide, so i suspect we'll see more soon :) | 15:04 |
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| annegentle | doc team meeting in one minute in #openstack-meeting | 16:59 |
| Sam-I-Am | eh | 16:59 |
| annegentle | oh wait | 17:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | you mean, 2 hours from now? | 17:00 |
| annegentle | I'm still reading the clock wrong | 17:00 |
| annegentle | right. Sam-I-Am :) blarg! | 17:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | i was like... waaaaaat | 17:00 |
| annegentle | 2 hours from now. | 17:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | google cal gives me fits sometimes, but i was ok this time | 17:00 |
| annegentle | also what happens when I make my own invite for myself :) | 17:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | i just copy the cal sub's one to my personal cal for every meeting i want to attend. it usually works. | 17:01 |
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| AJaeger | annegentle: now around... | 17:27 |
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| annegentle | AJaeger: hey! do you happen to have the creds handy for docs and could you delete outdated files in the networking-guide? | 17:28 |
| AJaeger | annegentle: sure, | 17:28 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: bug is here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1584186 | 17:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1584186 in openstack-manuals "In the "Configure the Linux bridge agent. Edit the /etc/neutron/plugins/ml2/ml2_conf.ini file" the config file is wrong, shold be "linuxbridge_agent.ini" [Undecided,Invalid] - Assigned to Anne Gentle (annegentle) | 17:29 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: I'll assign ya | 17:29 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: thanks a bunch. I thought it was in my password manager but apparently not synched. I'll do that tonight at home | 17:29 |
| AJaeger | ok | 17:29 |
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| AJaeger | Sam-I-Am, annegentle: done | 17:32 |
| annegentle | thank you AJaeger @ | 17:33 |
| annegentle | at? I dunno. I can't type today. | 17:33 |
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| AJaeger | ;) | 17:35 |
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| emagana | hi all! Late but I am here! | 18:20 |
| emagana | ohh when the meeting will be? | 18:21 |
| AJaeger | emagana: 38 minuts - 19:00 UTC | 18:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Christian Berendt proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [image] add image-bootstrap tool https://review.openstack.org/325556 | 18:23 |
| emagana | ah ok... arrggghhh always forgetting about the F** DST | 18:23 |
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| rosmaita | AJaeger: this is a dumb question, but how does one tell an odd week from an even week? | 18:29 |
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| AJaeger | rosmaita: check the calendar file on eavesdrop.openstack.org | 18:30 |
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| Sam-I-Am | AJaeger: thx | 18:44 |
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| JayF | loquacities: Hey, I'm the new docs liason for Ironic. Sadly I missed my calendar reminder and missed the meeting today to introduce myself. Let me know if there's anything you need! | 21:23 |
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| Sam-I-Am | JayF: hi | 21:30 |
| JayF | Sam-I-Am: o/ | 21:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | JayF: does ironic contribute any docs to the openstack-manuals repo? | 21:31 |
| JayF | I believe currently all of our docs are in-tree | 21:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | ok. developer-centric docs are ok there, but not really non-dev docs such as those for ops/users | 21:32 |
| JayF | I don't have a lot of context around our docs (yet), but I think there was a reason we didn't have them there | 21:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | so it would be nice to move op/user-centric stuff to the openstack-manuals repo | 21:32 |
| JayF | jroll: ^ do you have that context? | 21:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'd be curious as to why | 21:33 |
| JayF | me too :) | 21:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | sometimes small project start out all in-tree, then just never move out when they get big enough | 21:33 |
| jroll | so... for install guide, we were told not to put them there | 21:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah, the install guide is a strange one | 21:33 |
| jroll | because docs team didn't have the bandwidth for it | 21:33 |
| jroll | I'm not sure what other guides go in openstack-manuals, though | 21:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | if you hadn't seen, the install guide is being restructured to support referencing in-tree install guides for each project | 21:34 |
| jroll | but I would like those to follow the big tent model the install guide is doing, personally | 21:34 |
| jroll | right | 21:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | but the other stuff... config reference, admin guide, user guide, cli ref, etc. | 21:34 |
| jroll | we're in the config reference, not sure about the rest | 21:35 |
| jroll | if we're not, it's simply because nobody has put in the effort | 21:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | there's good and bad to putting everything in-tree, and just referencing it on docs.openstack.org | 21:35 |
| jroll | sure, but at some point the single tree going to be unmanageable :) | 21:36 |
| jroll | is going to * | 21:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | well, yes and no. | 21:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | its all about the perspective of projects/devs versus operators and those looking to adopt openstack | 21:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | more than technical things :) | 21:37 |
| jroll | not sure what you mean | 21:38 |
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| jroll | what I'm talking about, though, is the 56 project teams already in governance (some with multiple projects that need these docs), and the review scale associated with that | 21:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | jroll: in-tree docs are easier for each project to contribute, but without any sort of agreement on structure, content, and maintenance... openstack appears like a disconnected group of science projects rather than a coherent group of projects that fit together to form a manageable cloud infra | 21:41 |
| jroll | Sam-I-Am: sure, I agree with that | 21:42 |
| jroll | I think the big tent in general has brought us past that | 21:42 |
| jroll | unless someone has a ton of people to donate to the docs team | 21:42 |
| jroll | anyway, I'm not saying we shouldn't contribute to openstack-manuals | 21:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | i think the idea was that projects would contribute operator/user docs to openstack-manuals so a single place exists to find stuff. trying to manage content among a variety of repos is difficult. | 21:43 |
| jroll | but ironic started doing lots of cross-project things (e.g. devstack, grenade, tempest) right before the big tent thing, and moving things back out of those has been far more difficult than if we had used the plugin model from the beginning | 21:44 |
| jroll | and I'm always skeptical it will happen again :) | 21:44 |
| JayF | I'm with jroll | 21:44 |
| JayF | honestly with the api-ref and install guide work, along with the upgrade testing we have a fairly full plate | 21:44 |
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| JayF | It seems like it'd make more sense to do those pieces later if/when they get broken up | 21:45 |
| jroll | docs shouldn't be as hard to shuffle around, but there's already some pieces moving to the project tree | 21:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | it'll be interesting to see how the install guide and api stuff pans out | 21:45 |
| jroll | I guess I'd like to see a cohesive plan for the future for all the docs things, generally (maybe there is one I've missed) | 21:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | i guess the biggest issue with in-tree is how do you get docs people (with docs vs. dev experience) to review your patches | 21:46 |
| jroll | again, not opposed to stuffing some things in openstack-manuals, just not a priority looking at our existing docs tasks | 21:46 |
| jroll | sure, it's a great question | 21:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | as a docs guy (and a dev i guess), i dont really care where docs reside, as long as there's a way for contributors to find help in making them presentable (or for docs to come in and help) | 21:46 |
| annegentle | jroll it's still about audience and we continue to compartmentalize and deputize | 21:46 |
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| JayF | Honest question; do some of the requirements around docs change given Ironic is only operator-exposed? | 21:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | the end goal is making openstack appear coherent and usable by non-dev audiences | 21:47 |
| JayF | The only "users" of Ironic are operators and other services | 21:47 |
| JayF | no "end user" api so to speak | 21:47 |
| jroll | Sam-I-Am: right, so we need consistency in where they are | 21:47 |
| annegentle | JayF what docs requirements do you think already exist and how are they measured? | 21:47 |
| JayF | Usually I ask questions like that in order to determine the answer to that question :) | 21:48 |
| annegentle | JayF curious | 21:48 |
| JayF | annegentle: I seriously don't know, part of why I asked that question is to figure it out :) | 21:48 |
| annegentle | JayF I mean, from one perspective the whole reason for the install split was because there was a ding from the doc tags from the user committe | 21:49 |
| jroll | I feel like this conversation sounds like we're pushing back on contributing to docs repos, which is not at all my intention :/ | 21:49 |
| JayF | I think in Ironic, we tend to like the split out stuff because many, many times are we blocked on reviews to external respositories | 21:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | jroll: not just consistency in where, but content and quality that meets the needs of audiences | 21:49 |
| * JayF == jroll | 21:49 | |
| annegentle | jroll it's good to hear about overall concern for the docs experience for both contributors and consumers tho | 21:49 |
| JayF | but I do wanna make sure we don't sign up for things we can't do well or maintain today :) | 21:50 |
| jroll | JayF: I don't think anyone is asking us to sign up for things | 21:50 |
| jroll | JayF: more a call for help | 21:50 |
| JayF | Yeah, I'm saying if I come off that way that's why :) | 21:51 |
| * JayF not using language well today | 21:51 | |
| annegentle | JayF for API docs specifically, there's intended to be guidelines and a framework, but for end-user APIs. | 21:51 |
| annegentle | JayF so I guess for Ironic that's which API? | 21:51 |
| JayF | Ironic has no end-user API. | 21:51 |
| jroll | well. | 21:52 |
| jroll | ironic has no API intended for end-users | 21:52 |
| JayF | Ironic API is admin-only, to be used by operators/administrators and other services (mainly bifrost or nova) | 21:52 |
| jroll | we couldn't stop an operator from exposing it to users | 21:52 |
| jroll | annegentle: or rephrased, operators are our end user, and the entire REST API is intended for them | 21:53 |
| jroll | (computers are also an end user) | 21:53 |
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| annegentle | JayF I do believe Admin APIs need external docs | 21:55 |
| annegentle | JayF internal APIs so far have gotten a pass | 21:55 |
| Sam-I-Am | any api needs docs :) | 21:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | in the case of networking, its nice to have a set of deployment scenarios that new users can evaluate and build from | 21:56 |
| JayF | http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-baremetal-v1.html Do we generally document APIs beyond API refs like the one linked? | 21:56 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am well, getting a pass just means no penalty box | 21:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | not sure if that exactly applies to ironic, but there surely are people trying to wrap their heads around whether ironic is useful for their env, and recommended ways to deploy it | 21:57 |
| JayF | that is Ironic's API ref I linked, to be clear | 21:57 |
| annegentle | JayF api reference is usually first, this is a set of guidelines from the API working group http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/guidelines/api-docs.html | 21:57 |
| jroll | JayF: wrong link, http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/baremetal/ is the new hotness :) | 21:57 |
| JayF | jroll: I thought it dind't look like deva's changes were reflected | 21:58 |
| JayF | So maybe I should find and fix that link, because if you go to docs.openstack.org -> api reference -> Bare Metal API v1 it takes you there | 21:58 |
| jroll | ++ | 21:58 |
| JayF | the api ref pages are gorgeous though, ++ to whoever got that designed | 21:59 |
| jroll | Sam-I-Am: yeah, so guides like that would be super useful, we kind of have some things like that, but idk how coherent it is (or how well organized) | 21:59 |
| JayF | jroll: I think the answer is 'not very' | 21:59 |
| annegentle | JayF more coming, check out https://api.os.gra.ham.ie/compute/ | 21:59 |
| JayF | somehow it looks prettier with my api in it :P (joking) | 22:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | jroll: thats where docs folks are helpful. regardless of where the docs reside, working with docs folks to make sure the right content is there for the audience in question | 22:00 |
| annegentle | JayF the link can be fixed in openstack-manuals go for it | 22:00 |
| annegentle | JayF I think it's in www/static | 22:00 |
| jroll | Sam-I-Am: sure, I think the bigger problem is we haven't had anyone focused on it | 22:00 |
| JayF | So it sounds like maybe a good first step for me as Ironic doc's liason: 1) get a better grip on what the expectations are, and 2) see where we fall short | 22:00 |
| annegentle | JayF yeah an audit more or less | 22:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | jroll: which is also a problem. figuring out a) what an openstack project does and b) how to deploy it arguably one of the largest hurdles for people | 22:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | jroll: neutron is a prime example of docs making a significant positive impact | 22:02 |
| jroll | Sam-I-Am: sure, I don't really have a good answer for that other than our team is stretched super thin :) | 22:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | seems like when a project gets to a reasonable size, it would raise the importance of docs | 22:02 |
| JayF | I honestly suspect any new-docs work aside from shuffling around what already exists would likely be started next cycle; we've been focusing heavily on CI and upgrade support | 22:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | tech debt is bad | 22:02 |
| JayF | Sam-I-Am: yep, exactly, and that's why we're focusing on CI and upgrades, and after that docs will be on the list | 22:03 |
| JayF | Sam-I-Am: gotta get mature, people are OK with no docs when you also have no features they wanna use | 22:03 |
| JayF | lol | 22:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | lol | 22:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | the big one i like to see projects surpass is 'works in devstack; | 22:04 |
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| Sam-I-Am | or 'how to deploy in devstack' | 22:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | potential operators dont use devstack, and generally arent developers | 22:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | so sifting through code isnt a good option | 22:04 |
| jroll | oh, of course | 22:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | i see way too many people in #openstack trying to make stuff work, and dont expect to have to read code for basic config | 22:05 |
| jroll | you're talking to two people that operate ironic in production (we're also devs, but still) :) | 22:05 |
| JayF | Yep, the reason I volunteered for this wasn't some love of docs, but more because I've been the op who barely knows how to code trying to reverse engineer what config option X or API call Y does | 22:06 |
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| JayF | So as far as that broken link; afaict http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref.html is not generated by openstack-manuals | 22:06 |
| JayF | now that I've said that in a public channel, I'm going to go look again and find it /s | 22:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | true, but i think as openstack matures, new users expect it to function more like a coherent product (like vmware) rather than a group of loosely-related projects that only cater to devs. | 22:07 |
| jroll | indeed | 22:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | so whatever it takes to get there before your project gains the stigma of being difficult to grok/deploy/use | 22:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | which is what happened to neutron, and its been a deep hole to dig out of | 22:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | i like using neutron as an example of what not to do | 22:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | but also because its reversed the problems | 22:08 |
| openstackgerrit | KATO Tomoyuki proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [config-ref] create CloudByte volume driver section https://review.openstack.org/326415 | 22:08 |
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| Sam-I-Am | problem... docs folks are spread among all projects, thus cannot author original content for all projects. project devs are also spread a bit thin, and cannot commit to writing lots of docs. | 22:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | solution - can a combination of devs and docs people come up with something useful | 22:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | with neutron the expectation from the ptl is that contributors write technically accurate docs, then someone from docs works with them to make the docs useful | 22:11 |
| JayF | Heh. Additional problem: there are exactly zero Ironic folks dedicated to docs writing :) | 22:11 |
| JayF | Most docs written have been bourne out of it being required in code review or feeling the pain of not having it enough to write it | 22:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Anne Gentle proposed openstack/api-site: Updates to README for current state https://review.openstack.org/327395 | 22:11 |
| JayF | Honestly once I can assess and find those gaps; I'll file low-hanging-fruit bugs about it to try and get some of the new folks to help | 22:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | well, dont have to be dedicated. just need to contribute some level of docs for each new thing. i think the problem is that tech debt for docs mounts quietly in the background... and then it becomes a significant undertaking | 22:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | so now updating your deployment guide with feature X is more like writing the entire deployment guide | 22:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | people really like deployment guides | 22:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | so if thats at all possible... | 22:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | minimum basic hardware, services, and config to make thing X work enough for a POC | 22:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | because POCs have pretty lights and bells that sell C-level people on a technology | 22:13 |
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| loquacities | jroll: welcome! | 22:14 |
| JayF | So question about how things are tied together. looking at http://docs.openstack.org/ "API Complete References" links to http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref.html which looks to be fully generated and is where I found the old link for the Ironic API's | 22:14 |
| loquacities | sorry i missed your ping earlier, just reading scrollback now :) | 22:14 |
| JayF | loquacities: I think you mean me o/ | 22:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | loquacities: you have lots of scrollback now, yw | 22:14 |
| jroll | loquacities: welcome JayF, I've been here a while :) | 22:14 |
| JayF | So is the api-ref.html the "wrong link", are we just mid transition so it's strange or what? | 22:14 |
| JayF | yeah, api-ref.html seems to be generated out of openstack/api-site, but I can't figure how how that's supposed to connect into the in-tree API ref for Ironic | 22:15 |
| loquacities | haha, yep, oops sorry! | 22:17 |
| loquacities | so much scrollback ... | 22:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | JayF: your install guide is pretty comprehensive | 22:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | its just not necessarily organized well | 22:18 |
| JayF | What docs we have are pretty good, if badly organized | 22:18 |
| jroll | JayF: oh my, wadl | 22:18 |
| JayF | we review docs fairly meticulously in the tree | 22:18 |
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| Sam-I-Am | do you have any plans to try the new in-tree install guide structure? | 22:18 |
| jroll | very much so | 22:18 |
| jroll | I've been a bit out of touch with that, but if it's usable I'd like to do something with it sooner than later | 22:19 |
| loquacities | jroll: oh good, i'll be sending some info out about that real soon now | 22:19 |
| annegentle | JayF jroll the WADL is out, the in-trees are in, but the links are not yet changed. | 22:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | one thing the install guide doesn't cover is how to install the source | 22:20 |
| jroll | annegentle: gotcha | 22:20 |
| annegentle | JayF jroll also am going to send an openstack-dev ML post asking for help with connecting navigation | 22:20 |
| JayF | annegentle: aha, so it's not really a quick fix thing I can take care of then | 22:20 |
| jroll | cool | 22:20 |
| annegentle | since our current design has the listing for all the APIs in the side, how can we get that again? | 22:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | installing the source is a rather big stumbling block for people | 22:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | because it usually leads to devstack, which is scary | 22:20 |
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| annegentle | JayF you can definitely do the quick fix and redirect | 22:21 |
| annegentle | JayF that's the bandaid and fixes the problem noted above | 22:21 |
| JayF | so add a line to the htaccess? | 22:21 |
| annegentle | JayF and make sure the link is correct on the "landing" page | 22:21 |
| annegentle | JayF yah | 22:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jay Faulkner proposed openstack/api-site: Use in-tree baremetal api-ref rather than WADL https://review.openstack.org/327399 | 22:25 |
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| Sam-I-Am | JayF: part of the thing we (docs) does is help make your docs appeal to the target audience(s), so if you want help, we (docs team, not just me) can be useful | 22:27 |
| JayF | annegentle: ^ that should be right, and all the links in the destination looked proper | 22:27 |
| JayF | Sam-I-Am: yeah, I think inventory and triage is the right first step though. | 22:27 |
| JayF | If you all have specific requests or needs or the trash needs taken out, whatever, let me know :) | 22:28 |
| JayF | the big pieces will take a bit longer though | 22:28 |
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| Sam-I-Am | JayF: a lot of what i learn is from spending too much time in #openstack | 22:29 |
| JayF | If I read any more IRC channels I'll never get real work done :P | 22:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | lol, sigh | 22:29 |
| JayF | (this is #58 currently, I usually purge once I get to 99) | 22:30 |
| jroll | 58, weaksauce | 22:30 |
| JayF | whatever, mister leading IRC-er in all of openstack, lol. | 22:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | i find an increasingly large part of my openstack contributions are not code, but trying to keep the wheels on | 22:30 |
| openstackgerrit | KATO Tomoyuki proposed openstack/openstack-doc-tools: Allow for config option flags https://review.openstack.org/315608 | 22:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | which lately focuses on growing openstack adoption via good docs | 22:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | or convincing projects that docs are important. sometimes its difficult to see how your project might be hard to use when you're a developer for it. "what? thats easy" ... not for everyone. | 22:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | ironic is arguably one of the more complex services | 22:32 |
| JayF | I'm a strong believer that operating software that you write leads to making it very much better | 22:32 |
| JayF | heh, more than you know | 22:32 |
| jroll | ironic isn't complex, hardware and networking is complex :P | 22:32 |
| * jroll stops making jokes ang goes away now | 22:33 | |
| JayF | I like that | 22:33 |
| JayF | yeah, I need to stop chatting and start writing a spec I owe someone | 22:33 |
| JayF | or else all the code will be waiting on my spec | 22:33 |
| JayF | o/ | 22:33 |
| jroll | thanks for the chat Sam-I-Am, annegentle :) | 22:34 |
| annegentle | jroll :) have a good one | 22:34 |
| loquacities | o/ | 22:34 |
| JayF | ty as well o | 22:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | JayF: what is this 'getting things done' concept? | 22:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | anyway, we're here when you need us | 22:38 |
| JayF | it's what you have to do at 3:30 | 22:39 |
| JayF | when you haven't been able to manage it for the last 6 hours | 22:39 |
| JayF | lol | 22:39 |
| JayF | keeping the wheels on is nice but gotta keep gas in the car too | 22:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Jay Faulkner proposed openstack/api-site: Use in-tree baremetal api-ref rather than WADL https://review.openstack.org/327399 | 22:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | i just use an electric car | 22:40 |
| JayF | First commit as docs liason, +2 -2859 | 22:44 |
| JayF | Achievement unlocked: Delete ALL the code! | 22:45 |
| annegentle | SWEET | 22:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Darren Chan proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [config-ref] Add POSIX/GlusterFS backup drivers https://review.openstack.org/325833 | 23:29 |
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