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| dims | ack smcginnis : did you already add a note in the review on which one you prefer? it will be popularity contest :) | 02:09 |
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| ttx | dims: writing that TC status update email took longer than I expected, so I haven't drafted the helpwanted prio list thing yet. I'll probably etherpad it after lunch so we can work on it together | 10:13 |
| dims | sounds good ttx | 10:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dims: dtroyer: for the TC vision feedback, I started collecting some common ideas/themes in this etherpad, incase that helps: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tc-vision-2019-feedback | 13:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | not sure if you have something similar on the way already | 13:39 |
| dims | johnthetubaguy : i think cdent dtroyer and you were tagged :) (per dean's email a couple of days ago) | 13:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 13:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | I wanted to get things moving | 13:41 |
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| cdent | johnthetubaguy++ | 13:42 |
| cdent | I probably can't start thinking about that today, but after that, yes | 13:43 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cdent: cool | 13:44 |
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| dims | sdague : "< trust me on this >" :) | 13:50 |
| dims | sdague : flow.rst is awesome! | 13:50 |
| sdague | dims: yeh, well the way I was pulling out content I missed the neutron return event | 13:52 |
| sdague | and by the time dansmith pointed that out, my journal had aged out | 13:52 |
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| lbragstad | mordred: yeah - even if it is super WIP | 14:28 |
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| mordred | lbragstad: ++ | 14:36 |
| mordred | lbragstad: there is a GREAT question lurking there - which is "how do we communicate the access lists" | 14:37 |
| mordred | lbragstad: since just shoving them in the token means balloning the token, but putting an id in the token and having the middleware fetch the values from keystone is API chatter - even if the content should be very cacheable | 14:37 |
| mordred | lbragstad: so we definitely need to discuss that part and make sure there's an answer we're at least provisionally ok with | 14:38 |
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| lbragstad | mordred: yeah - i had a major 'ah ha' moment yesterday thinking about this stuff | 14:43 |
| lbragstad | mordred: i'm still working on parsing all of it and digesting it :-/ | 14:43 |
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| mordred | lbragstad: :) - I'm lucky enough to have had my ah ha moment about it in Boston, so I had at least one more week to digest | 14:47 |
| mordred | lbragstad: (I was firmly in the "just use users, it already exists and I'm sad I can't create them everywhere today" camp before boston) | 14:48 |
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| lbragstad | mordred: right | 14:49 |
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| mordred | lbragstad: that said - I'm actually super excited about where we seem to be ending up - it seems totally doable and like a thing that users will be able to totally understand | 14:49 |
| lbragstad | mordred: yeah - i hope so | 14:50 |
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| sdague | mordred: it can't go in the token, for sure | 15:07 |
| sdague | that path is madness | 15:07 |
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| sdague | it's got to be a second call | 15:08 |
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| sdague | which does mean keystone is doing more work | 15:08 |
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| sdague | but... that's kind of the cost of security being non binary | 15:08 |
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| sdague | although, in the normal path | 15:09 |
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| sdague | ... so, because of the current pipeline ordering, there is a thing that would be nice to do that you can't quite do | 15:11 |
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| sdague | which is ask keystone when it validates the token to also take into account the permission being asked for because the route is known | 15:11 |
| sdague | but, I actually am not sure I see a straight forward remapping of the pipelines to fast optimize for that, because of when most services have access to routes | 15:12 |
| sdague | but... their might be a future optimization there | 15:12 |
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| sdague | APIKey permissions are only ever going to change when someone writes them (they aren't computed) so that add/remove a permissions operation could very easily create "static" document of that key's permissions which means fetching it is litterally a single db or memcache | 15:14 |
| sdague | read | 15:14 |
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| mordred | sdague: yes - I agree with this. it pretty much has to be copy on write, so it should be trivially cacheable for sure | 15:22 |
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| mordred | sdague: but I think making sure we've got everyone on the same page with that is important - so I'll definitely write that up early next week | 15:23 |
| mordred | even if it's for Rocky | 15:23 |
| sdague | mordred: sure | 15:23 |
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| notmyname | ttx: I've seen a couple of mailing list posts about planning rooms for the next PTG. did I miss an email about that? | 16:32 |
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| diablo_rojo | notmyname, I have Swift down as wanting a room. The emails that have gone out are more about trying to organize better than the first PTG and give people more visibility into whats going on in each room. | 16:36 |
| notmyname | diablo_rojo: ok :-) | 16:36 |
| diablo_rojo | notmyname, thank you for answering the survey promptly and not being one of the PTL's I am currently chasing after :) | 16:37 |
| notmyname | diablo_rojo: including friday, too, please | 16:37 |
| notmyname | diablo_rojo: oh did I? whew ;-) | 16:37 |
| diablo_rojo | notmyname, yeah I would guess swift will likely run W-F | 16:37 |
| diablo_rojo | Assuming we continue to hear feedback that people like our suggested approach. | 16:38 |
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| fungi | diablo_rojo: you should no longer be chasing after me (as of a few hours ago). sorry for the delay, just wanted to make sure i got as accurate a count as i possibly could | 18:16 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, I saw :) Much appreciated! | 18:18 |
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| kevinbenton | sdague: can you take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/465405/ when you get a sec? It's a relatively small change for qemu.conf blocking a Linux bridge change | 19:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dean Troyer proposed openstack/governance master: Add OpenStackClient Pike goal information https://review.openstack.org/466392 | 19:46 |
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| lbragstad | mordred: helluva write-up on the api key stuff | 20:11 |
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| efried | Anyone know who's active in glanceclient? | 20:24 |
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| dtroyer | It shares the glance core team, not sure who actually is caring for and feeding it… | 20:25 |
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| mordred | lbragstad: yay! | 20:35 |
| mordred | efried: is it giving you grief? | 20:35 |
| efried | mordred Well, sort of. | 20:36 |
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| efried | mordred Mainly a matter of not knowing the tribal protocol for letting folks know what's going on, asking for reviews, etc. | 20:36 |
| mordred | efried: ah. that. ) | 20:36 |
| mordred | :) | 20:36 |
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| efried | mordred Trying to drive the nova bp on service tokens, but it's blocked by a change set fixing a bug in glanceclient; which itself got blocked by another bug that was causing tox failures, but that nobody seemed to be dealing with; so I opened that bug and proposed a fix... and now I need glance core participation to pop that stack. | 20:37 |
| mordred | efried: I love those days | 20:38 |
| mordred | flaper87: ^^ | 20:38 |
| mordred | rosmaita: ^^ if you're around too - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/466385 | 20:38 |
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| efried | mordred Thanks | 20:39 |
| mordred | efried: oh wow. we havne't updated glanceclient to just use keystoneauth yet? | 20:39 |
| efried | mordred In nova, or within glanceclient? | 20:40 |
| mordred | oh - I guess that's tests inside of glanceclient that are the problem there | 20:40 |
| mordred | efried: just within glanceclient - but I think that's testing the old non-ksa HTTPClient - but that has to be maintained because it's in the public API | 20:40 |
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| mordred | efried: (I ask that because really glanceclient shouldn't have any ssl cert handling logic other than passing a cacert argument to keystoneauth ... but hysterical raisins) | 20:41 |
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| dtroyer | mordred: don't forget, glacneclient uses openssl too, unlike everything else | 20:42 |
| efried | mordred Seems reasonable to me. From what I can tell, it actually does just pass that stuff through - the problem here arose from the fact that the way the requests lib was dealing with it had changed underneath us. | 20:42 |
| mordred | dtroyer: well, I mean, it shouldn't use that anymore ecause it should be using keystoneauth | 20:44 |
| dtroyer | it was still in requriements.txt last I looked… but that's been a while | 20:44 |
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| mordred | nope! -that's finally gone. yay | 20:44 |
| dtroyer | apparently longer than I thought...nevermind | 20:45 |
| mordred | just checked) | 20:45 |
| dtroyer | me too, _after_ I typed | 20:45 |
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| mordred | :) | 20:45 |
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| mordred | honestly, glanceclient.common.http.get_http_client should just make a session if session is None, rather than returning HTTPClient | 20:46 |
| mordred | s/session/ksa.session/ | 20:46 |
| mordred | but - that's likely more work than I'm likely to do today | 20:46 |
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