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| yuriy_n17 | dulek: Hi | 09:33 |
| yuriy_n17 | dulek: Returning to our sheep.(yesterday conversation) Now unmanage volume is not implemented for RBD driver. You can check it out yourself or just look at http://paste.openstack.org/show/494944/ | 09:38 |
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| yuriy_n17 | dulek: I didn't have an env to check your thoughts yesterday. I didn't catch your thought to leave all as it is if no implementation for RBD exists at all. | 09:44 |
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| yuriy_n17 | geguileo: Hi! Very sorry for disturbing. Please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307342/ whenever you have free time. | 09:47 |
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| dulek | yuriy_n17: Hm… I wonder if we haven't broken it when doing stuff with ABC's… | 09:51 |
| dulek | yuriy_n17: We've did similar thing for LVM. | 09:52 |
| yuriy_n17 | dulek: if you look at http://paste.openstack.org/show/494944/ you'll get what I mean | 09:53 |
| dulek | yuriy_n17: What I mean is I'm pretty sure unmanage worked for Ceph. | 09:53 |
| dulek | yuriy_n17: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1493544 | 09:53 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1493544 in Cinder "LVM does not implement unmanage" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Eric Harney (eharney) | 09:53 |
| dulek | yuriy_n17: There's similar bugreport for LVM driver. | 09:54 |
| dulek | yuriy_n17: This happened because of our ABCs work in drivers. | 09:54 |
| dulek | yuriy_n17: Looks like there's similar story for Ceph. | 09:54 |
| dulek | yuriy_n17: Anyway implementation of unmanage in Ceph should look like in LVM: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221497/1/cinder/volume/driver.py | 09:54 |
| yuriy_n17 | dulek: looks like ;) | 09:55 |
| dulek | yuriy_n17: No renaming needed. | 09:55 |
| dulek | yuriy_n17: Now I understand why we haven't understood each other yesterday. :) | 09:55 |
| dulek | yuriy_n17: And what you're doing is actually a regression fix and not a blueprint. ;) | 09:56 |
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| smcginnis | mriedem: Question about that mention of passing a bool into initialize_connection on whether to create a new connection. | 14:11 |
| smcginnis | mriedem: I don't see that as necessary. | 14:11 |
| smcginnis | mriedem: First time around, no attachment_id is passed in, so we know it's a new one. | 14:11 |
| smcginnis | mriedem: Subsequent times attachment_id _is_ passed in, then we know it's just asking for info on existing ones. | 14:12 |
| smcginnis | mriedem: Or was there something else from that conversation I missed why that would be needed? | 14:12 |
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| geguileo | ameade: Thanks for the ping | 14:27 |
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| dulek | geguileo: https://github.com/openstack/oslo.versionedobjects/commit/ae045234a16e809a1e0e24a6f6012797aa7436dd | 14:36 |
| dulek | geguileo: I'm despaired - trying to figure out which one is correct - child_versions, obj_relationships or now this. | 14:37 |
| geguileo | dulek: Give me a sec | 14:38 |
| geguileo | dulek: Oh, I can answer that | 14:39 |
| geguileo | dulek: Have you seen my patches about obj_relationships? | 14:39 |
| dulek | geguileo: Sure, one about child_versions and one about obj_relationships. | 14:39 |
| dulek | geguileo: This got me thinking, because I thought that child_versions is a replacement for obj_relationships. | 14:40 |
| geguileo | Well, one about the problem with our List being out of sync and the other about obj_relationships | 14:40 |
| mriedem | smcginnis: sorry, nova meeting was running, reading scrollback | 14:40 |
| geguileo | dulek: It is an alternative for lists | 14:40 |
| smcginnis | mriedem: No worries. | 14:40 |
| geguileo | dulek: I mean, for lists of objects | 14:41 |
| mriedem | smcginnis: there was no mention of passing an attachment_id to os-initialize_connection | 14:41 |
| geguileo | dulek: So backporting first looks into child_versions and then goes to obj_relationships | 14:41 |
| smcginnis | mriedem: At one point there was. | 14:41 |
| mriedem | smcginnis: my understanding of the two proposals was in jgriffith's case, os-initialize_connection creates a new attachment every time it's called | 14:41 |
| smcginnis | mriedem: So I was confused about now talking about passing a boolean. | 14:41 |
| geguileo | dulek: So if we can have automatic obj_relationships there's no need for us to have manual child_versions | 14:41 |
| mriedem | smcginnis: in hemna_'s case, reserve creates the attachment which is then passed to all of the other APIs | 14:42 |
| smcginnis | mriedem: Well, we'd definitely have to change how it's current used then. :/ | 14:42 |
| geguileo | dulek: So we can remove future out of sync issues like the one one of my patches fixes | 14:42 |
| mriedem | smcginnis: the boolean idea was related to why i wanted to ask jgriffith about his proposal this morning | 14:42 |
| geguileo | dulek: As for the obj_tree_get_versions | 14:42 |
| smcginnis | mriedem: I'll have to go back and reread the proposals and patches (again) and see if I can get this straight. | 14:42 |
| smcginnis | mriedem: I do think scottda's suggestion of starting a spec might be a good thing. | 14:42 |
| mriedem | smcginnis: the proposals in the etherpad are out of date with the discussions from the last 2 meetings | 14:43 |
| mriedem | smcginnis: i don't know about starting a spec this week, | 14:43 |
| smcginnis | mriedem: It does seem we figure out some things, only to come back the next week and forget what was decided. ;) | 14:43 |
| mriedem | as much as maybe starting a new etherpad for the latest suggestions/proposals | 14:43 |
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| dulek | geguileo: I've brought dansmith to the discussion. | 14:43 |
| smcginnis | mriedem: Maybe not this week, but I think we need to start solidifying some decisions before they are lost again. | 14:43 |
| geguileo | dulek: Like I mention in this post: http://gorka.eguileor.com/learning-something-new-about-oslo-versioned-objects/ | 14:43 |
| mriedem | right, but i don't think the etherpad is getting updated with the details from the meeting | 14:43 |
| smcginnis | mriedem: Yeah, or etherpad. | 14:43 |
| geguileo | dulek: obj_tree_get_versions returns a manifest | 14:43 |
| mriedem | smcginnis: at some point a spec is needed yes, | 14:44 |
| geguileo | dulek: In Nova case they use it to ask the conductor to do the backport | 14:44 |
| scottda | But with a spec, people can use gerrit to provide comments, and there is a record... | 14:44 |
| smcginnis | mriedem: Maybe that's the bigger issue. | 14:44 |
| mriedem | smcginnis: we definitely need the proposals in a clear form for the design summit session | 14:44 |
| smcginnis | mriedem: We need to designate someone to take notes there. Or at least go back through the meeting logs and capture them. | 14:44 |
| mriedem | because the other nova cores won't have any clue as to what we're talking about | 14:44 |
| mriedem | smcginnis: not it | 14:44 |
| geguileo | dulek: But in our case we do the backport on serialization, not like nova on deserialization (because we don't have a conductor) | 14:44 |
| scottda | not it | 14:44 |
| dansmith | geguileo: dulek: right, so without a conductor, the manifests don't get you anything I think.. they are generated from one node and sent to another so that the other knows what versions are supported | 14:44 |
| smcginnis | mriedem: I hardly do, and I've been in the meetings. ;) | 14:44 |
| dansmith | geguileo: dulek which means you need the static relationship mapping | 14:45 |
| geguileo | dansmith: Correct, in our case we do the backport in the serialization | 14:45 |
| mriedem | it'd be sad if i'm the only one that is following what the proposals are | 14:45 |
| dulek | geguileo, dansmith: Okay, I get it! Every time I look into o.vo lib there's more magic. ;) | 14:45 |
| geguileo | dansmith: And we can build the obj_relationships data from our Versioned Objects history | 14:45 |
| smcginnis | mriedem: Nah, partly joking. | 14:45 |
| dansmith | geguileo: dulek child_versions was an early attempt for lists, until we realized we needed the general approach for all objects, which is obj_relationships | 14:45 |
| dansmith | geguileo: yep | 14:45 |
| scottda | mriedem: Not just sad, but it exemplifies the main issue. We need a better way to communicate these things than just discussing in meetings. | 14:45 |
| smcginnis | mriedem: But the phrase "I'm confused" is definitely being said way too often for how far along we've gone. | 14:45 |
| dulek | Thank you guys! | 14:46 |
| * dulek gets back to geguileo's patches. | 14:46 | |
| scottda | And etherpads always get into a confused state. | 14:46 |
| geguileo | dansmith: Thanks for confirmation :-) | 14:46 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Maybe start a spec in an etherpad so it's more freeform. | 14:46 |
| mriedem | scottda: smcginnis: probably should have done a hangout rather than irc meeting | 14:46 |
| dansmith | dulek: geguileo: no problem, glad to see you guys making progress! | 14:46 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Then easy to move it over to an actual spec when we're ready? | 14:46 |
| scottda | a spec in gerrit can be commented on, and there is a record of the comments | 14:47 |
| smcginnis | mriedem, scottda: So I think we need at least something spelled out a little better to make next weeks discussion useful. | 14:47 |
| scottda | a hangout is not logged and archived | 14:47 |
| smcginnis | But then after that we should start capturing and finalizing at least some of the points. | 14:47 |
| smcginnis | scottda: All good points. | 14:47 |
| scottda | All of this is very complex. We need to tame that complexity somehow. | 14:48 |
| smcginnis | We have recorded and posted hangouts though. | 14:48 |
| mriedem | scottda: hangouts are logged, but it's high bw | 14:48 |
| smcginnis | I'll soon be publishing Dummies Guide to Cinder Multiattach. ;) | 14:48 |
| mriedem | *can be recorded | 14:48 |
| smcginnis | Seriously, it seems like we could write a book on this by now. | 14:48 |
| scottda | One issue is that we're all busy. So adding new tasks to our workload often means that they don't get done. That's why the etherpad doesn't get updated, etc. | 14:49 |
| scottda | smcginnis: Maybe we need to write a book... | 14:49 |
| scottda | or a wiki...and add hemna_ 's diagrams, | 14:49 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Making those easily accessible would be awesome. | 14:49 |
| scottda | There will be many others who need to understand all this. | 14:50 |
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| scottda | And the people who understand it best, still make the statement "I'm confused" | 14:50 |
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| yuriy_n17 | geguileo: Hi | 14:52 |
| geguileo | yuriy_n17: Hi | 14:52 |
| smcginnis | scottda: That's what scares me. | 14:53 |
| yuriy_n17 | geguileo: Please look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/308475/ | 14:53 |
| scottda | Yeah, I've heard a lot of phrases that use the word "scare" regarding this :) | 14:53 |
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| geguileo | yuriy_n17: Sure you need to set return_raw and not loaded=True? | 14:54 |
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| yuriy_n17 | geguileo: I think return_raw=True will be enough to fix that problem. | 15:00 |
| geguileo | yuriy_n17: But I think it's not the right thing to do :-( | 15:00 |
| scottda | smcginnis: mriedem I think we could benefit from abstracting the issues of multi-attach, documenting the use cases, making sure *anyone* can understand...it'll slow things down in the short run, but probably speed them up in the long run. | 15:00 |
| yuriy_n17 | geguileo: ok. thanks | 15:01 |
| smcginnis | scottda: +1 | 15:01 |
| geguileo | yuriy_n17: I posted my comments and removed the -2 | 15:01 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Still would love to have the use cases clearly defined. | 15:01 |
| mriedem | scottda: the scenarios section in the etherpad was my attempt at documenting use cases | 15:01 |
| mriedem | e.g. mixed compute levels, swap volume, live migration, etc | 15:02 |
| yuriy_n17 | geguileo: Thanks a lot. | 15:02 |
| scottda | mriedem: Yes, That is good stuff. | 15:02 |
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| geguileo | yuriy_n17: Thank you for working on it :-) | 15:02 |
| hemna | mep | 15:02 |
| sheel | geguileo: hi | 15:07 |
| geguileo | sheel: Hi | 15:07 |
| sheel | geguileo: regarding https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278605/44 | 15:07 |
| sheel | geguileo: can we go ahead with this or you want me to change for assetTrue() | 15:08 |
| geguileo | sheel: I'd rather you changed it if it isn't too much effort | 15:08 |
| geguileo | sheel: That's the only reason I didn't +2 it | 15:09 |
| sheel | geguileo: effort is not much its ok to change asserTrue only | 15:09 |
| sheel | geguileo: i will do | 15:09 |
| sheel | geguileo: thanks | 15:09 |
| geguileo | sheel: Thanks, and sorry for my quirks ;-) | 15:09 |
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| sheel | geguileo: nopes, always welcome for comments for betterment.. | 15:09 |
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| sheel | geguileo: thanks for review | 15:10 |
| geguileo | np | 15:10 |
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| thingee | tbarron: everything is waiting on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/293119 | 15:34 |
| thingee | but all dependent patches are approved. | 15:34 |
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| yuriy_n17 | geguileo: Hi. Very, very sorry for disturbing. I'd like to know your opinion on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/302249/ whenever you have free time to review it. | 15:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Kendall Nelson proposed openstack/os-brick: WIP: Splitting Out Connectors from connector.py :WIP https://review.openstack.org/307974 | 15:41 |
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| geguileo | yuriy_n17: Ok, I've added it to the list | 15:42 |
| yuriy_n17 | geguileo: Thanks | 15:43 |
| tbarron | thingee: awesome, thanks! I'm at Vault today and have somewhat limited b/w but will try to look at it as soon as I can. | 15:45 |
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| hemna | http://ttx.re/how-splitting-enhances-dev-process.html | 17:08 |
| hemna | :( | 17:08 |
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| smcginnis | hemna: Yeah, read that. Still a little skeptical, but trying to keep an open mind. | 17:08 |
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| hemna | this doesn't account for folks that are on tight travel budgets | 17:09 |
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| bswartz | you guys were against the split? | 17:09 |
| hemna | I imagine we'll see lots less folks attending | 17:09 |
| smcginnis | I kind of am. | 17:09 |
| hemna | I am | 17:09 |
| smcginnis | I have a lot of "concerns" about it | 17:09 |
| bswartz | I see some downsides but I'm hopeful that the upsides easily outweigh them | 17:09 |
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| hemna | heh, the downsides are that my team won't even be able to attend | 17:09 |
| hemna | I'm not sure how that gets outweighed.... | 17:09 |
| hemna | oh well | 17:10 |
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| bswartz | If you guys can get budget to travel to the midcycles why would the design summit be any different? | 17:10 |
| hemna | because the travel budget for the mid cycles are for barely 2 people | 17:10 |
| hemna | that's always a fight | 17:10 |
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| hemna | now the official dev summits won't get folks attending. :( | 17:11 |
| hemna | and we won't be able to meet with our customers that we always have | 17:11 |
| hemna | the combined summit was combined for a reason. to get developers and operators talking. | 17:11 |
| hemna | I dunno, I think this is a bad direction. | 17:11 |
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| hemna | It will further silo out the developers of OS from operators and customers using it. | 17:12 |
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| hemna | "Partly as a result of separate midcycle events, project teams operated in silos and were unlikely to be exposed or take on critical cross-project work. " | 17:13 |
| hemna | I think that's not correct | 17:13 |
| hemna | Cinder and Nova did join sessions over video | 17:13 |
| hemna | and it worked | 17:13 |
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| hemna | the assertions in that post are just incorrect IMHO | 17:13 |
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| hemna | thingee, whoa | 17:25 |
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| scottda | Is there the idea that we won't need mid-cycles with this change? It seems we could use more communication and face-to-face, not less. | 17:29 |
| smcginnis | scottda: *That's* my biggest concern. | 17:29 |
| smcginnis | scottda: If we lose our small focused midcycles for a larger developer summit with more distrations, I think that's a net loss, not gain. | 17:29 |
| scottda | agreed. | 17:30 |
| bswartz | scottda: I've heard that argument | 17:30 |
| scottda | bswartz: And what is your opinion? | 17:30 |
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| smcginnis | thingee: Was that in reference to the news, or as a soundtrack to the discussion? Just heard the news. | 17:31 |
| bswartz | more face to face time is better than less, but when you factor in travel costs, the new arrangement could result in a higher face-time-value to cost ratio than the old arrangement (yes I made up that bogus ratio) | 17:31 |
| bswartz | especially if you believe they'll find a way to make it cheaper to travel to the dev summit than the existing conferences | 17:32 |
| scottda | I think it won't be any cheaper. Where would it be cheaper? And won't that be a burden so some devs who are not near this cheap location ? (Nebraska? Kansas?) | 17:33 |
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| bswartz | the bulk of the cost is usually the hotel not the flight -- so getting cheaper hotels is a big win | 17:35 |
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| scottda | OK, but it's hard to host 100-200 devs at motel6 | 17:35 |
| bswartz | maybe we'll hold the design summit in ft. collins and we can all get the HP discount hotel rate LOL | 17:35 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Hah! | 17:35 |
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| scottda | How many devs attend the Desgign Summit part? thingee might know.... | 17:36 |
| e0ne | bswartz: it depends on location. hotels are cheaper than flights for me | 17:36 |
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| thingee | smcginnis, scottda: you can still have midcycles. | 17:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Nate Potter proposed openstack/python-cinderclient: Implement cinder backend-usage command https://review.openstack.org/301445 | 17:51 |
| smcginnis | thingee: Less likely though. | 17:51 |
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| thingee | my point is no one is saying you can't do them. | 17:51 |
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| thingee | if this change ends up working out and people don't see a point to midcycles, I'm not sure I see the problem. | 17:53 |
| thingee | scottda: for one thing, we won't need to look at major metropolis areas. | 17:54 |
| hemna | it still doesn't solve the travel cost issues | 17:55 |
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| hemna | oh well, I'm sure it's better/cheaper for the foundation, which I think is the real/only reason for this. | 17:55 |
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| thingee | hemna: hosting two events is not cheaper. | 17:55 |
| hemna | 2 smaller events | 17:56 |
| hemna | in less expensive sites | 17:56 |
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| hemna | that's what was said in the original ML post about the reasons behind it. | 17:56 |
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| thingee | even if it was about costs, why would that be bad? | 17:57 |
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| hemna | I'm saying that it's going to increase the costs of travel for devs to attend them both | 17:59 |
| hemna | especially if we still have midcycles | 17:59 |
| thingee | again optional if you need to attend both. | 17:59 |
| hemna | if devs want to still be able to talk to customers and operators, they have to attend both now. | 18:00 |
| thingee | and you already have today have to travel for the design/conference event and midcycles. | 18:00 |
| hemna | whereas now, as a dev, you had the ability to do all of that in 1 conference. | 18:00 |
| thingee | and you have to pay for travel for midcycles. | 18:00 |
| hemna | sure, now it's potentially 3 trips | 18:00 |
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| hemna | not 2 | 18:00 |
| thingee | I haven't been really hearing a lot of people mention this was a problem to also be able to talk to customers | 18:01 |
| thingee | just looking at the mailing list. | 18:01 |
| hemna | and the midcycles were kind of an adhoc thing that most folks didn't have to attend. | 18:01 |
| hemna | I mentioned it in the mailing list | 18:01 |
| thingee | whereas there's a camp of people that would not want to be distracted by the conference. | 18:01 |
| hemna | it was one of the primary reasons why my team got justification to attend the summits | 18:02 |
| smcginnis | The drawbacks were definitely mentioned, but I think they were drowned out by all the ones saying great idea. | 18:02 |
| hemna | to meet up with partners and customers | 18:02 |
| hemna | smcginnis, +1 | 18:02 |
| thingee | and that's why I think your assumption that the foundation is trying to save money here is crazy, since this originally started as a community discussion from someone not a staff of the foundation. | 18:02 |
| hemna | I thought Thierry proposed it originally | 18:02 |
| thingee | smcginnis: welcome to a community of people with opinions :) | 18:02 |
| smcginnis | ;) | 18:03 |
| thingee | hemna: nope, jaypipes did | 18:03 |
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| thingee | hemna: to be honest though it was being discussed internally to form a plan to present to the community. | 18:04 |
| hemna | cam' | 18:04 |
| thingee | just jaypipes started the discussion before we could present that | 18:04 |
| hemna | blah | 18:04 |
| hemna | can't seem to find the original ML post | 18:04 |
| hemna | anyway | 18:04 |
| thingee | hemna: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/086007.html | 18:05 |
| hemna | well,I hope it solves everyones problems and does what thierry says it will. I just know how limited my team is with travel, and it will affect that. | 18:05 |
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| thingee | hemna: nothing is permenant. a lot of people agreed with the problem of feeling distracted from the conference, so jay had a rough solution, ttx already has been forming this for a while so it was convenient to give that once it was ready. | 18:06 |
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| thingee | hemna: and if it doesn't work out, we discuss why we don't like it and form a new solution or rollback. | 18:07 |
| hemna | it's a tough balance really | 18:07 |
| hemna | some folks never want/care to meet with customers, and I'm sure they are the ones 'distracted' by the big summits | 18:07 |
| hemna | and that's fine | 18:07 |
| hemna | but this cuts the rest of us off that do want to talk to customers | 18:07 |
| hemna | dunno, we'll see | 18:07 |
| hemna | have to keep an open mind I suppose. I just hope it doesn't discourage operators from attending the developer side of things | 18:08 |
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| thingee | hemna: I would hope your employer would see value in sending you to both if you really care that much and are interacting with customers. I understand however that it's unfortunate you would have travel more and that's time away from family and just annoyance of travel in general. | 18:09 |
| scottda | thingee: Do you know how many Developers attend the Design Summit part? | 18:10 |
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| thingee | scottda: ummm let me see if I can dig up who actually showed up the last two summits that had atc | 18:10 |
| hemna | anyway, I've just had a few meetings with customers during the summit that helped shape direction of some of the direction of things I've worked on. | 18:11 |
| thingee | hemna: valid concern with ops, but you know as well as I do that the turnout today anyways with ops isn't great | 18:11 |
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| hemna | maybe i'm the only one. that's fine. | 18:11 |
| hemna | yah | 18:11 |
| hemna | I remember the ops session we had in Tokyo and it was.....less that I was hoping for. | 18:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/cinder: init_host offload to default to true https://review.openstack.org/306402 | 18:12 |
| hemna | in terms of attendance | 18:12 |
| thingee | hemna: may I remind you of the vancouver cinder ops feedback session https://twitter.com/Thingee/status/600767427522252800 | 18:12 |
| thingee | :P | 18:12 |
| thingee | kmartin is waving | 18:13 |
| hemna | oh yah it was vancouver | 18:13 |
| hemna | that's the one I was thinking of | 18:13 |
| thingee | lots of standing room! | 18:13 |
| hemna | yah sad | 18:13 |
| kmartin | thingee, o/ | 18:14 |
| thingee | kmartin: was just talking about you waving in my picture of the cinder ops feedback session | 18:14 |
| kmartin | yeah I saw that, just thought I would wave again :) | 18:15 |
| hemna | xenial | 18:15 |
| smcginnis | But at least there were ducks to watch. | 18:16 |
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| hemna | :) | 18:16 |
| thingee | smcginnis: seriously my favorite part of that press session | 18:16 |
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| thingee | aside from telling that journalist that asked "Aren't you concerned about the future of OpenStack after removing all the vendor solutions?" | 18:17 |
| thingee | "I got more drivers than God" | 18:17 |
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| thingee | related https://youtu.be/ZY8hnMnUDjU?t=21m9s | 18:20 |
| smcginnis | :D | 18:20 |
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| hemna | thingee, :) nice | 18:29 |
| Swanson | There are like 8 Prince songs on spotify. Do I have to subscribe to Tidal? | 18:29 |
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| thingee | Swanson: ha | 18:30 |
| thingee | there has to be a youtube playlist of prince songs | 18:30 |
| scottda | thingee: I'm hopeful your hair will be purple in tribute. | 18:31 |
| hemna | scottda, :) | 18:32 |
| thingee | scottda: ha if I didn't already get it done yea! | 18:32 |
| thingee | here's a hint, lone star | 18:32 |
| hemna | :) | 18:32 |
| thingee | this one tops pink w/ leopard print on the sides | 18:32 |
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| thingee | smcginnis: I do see though this event as midcycle since it's the same time range. some of the difference being the location/date is decided and you're sharing space with other projects, which would encourage more cross-collaboration instead of doing things over things like hang outs. | 18:44 |
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| smcginnis | thingee: Yeah, that is one benefit I see, but also a drawback. We can be incredibly productive with a small focused group. | 18:44 |
| thingee | smcginnis: I think of it as the worksessions today... do you feel distracted then? | 18:45 |
| thingee | or even the meet ups | 18:45 |
| thingee | it's dead at the venue during meet up times :) | 18:46 |
| thingee | I only see other people when I use the restroom | 18:46 |
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| thingee | scottda: I've asked folks at the foundation. Not sure if anyone has that information ... I also know people aren't really responsive to me because they're running around with last minute summit stuff. | 18:51 |
| smcginnis | A little more distraction for sure. | 18:51 |
| thingee | smcginnis: what would the distractions be? | 18:51 |
| smcginnis | Cross project things. Individual side meetings. Stuff like that. | 18:53 |
| smcginnis | TBF, I'm keeping an open mind. I do hope it works out if we go that route. | 18:53 |
| smcginnis | But I also hope we would be willing to fall back if it doesn't/ | 18:53 |
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| smcginnis | Awesome all tempest tests pass on 16.04 for me. | 18:55 |
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| thingee | smcginnis: side meetings is probably feedback from users? Isn't that what people are worried about losing? | 18:55 |
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| thingee | smcginnis: cross-project is set on it's own day for a reason | 18:55 |
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| smcginnis | thingee: Yeah, hopefully it's fine. | 18:56 |
| thingee | I can see that adds another day to your usual midcycle schedule | 18:56 |
| smcginnis | Just hard even without other things going on to get folks to focus some times. :) | 18:56 |
| thingee | smcginnis: I disagree, mostly because what we've seen at summit sessions already with meet ups and work sessions that this hasn't been a problem. | 18:57 |
| thingee | especially if you're removing the distraction of keynotes, other random events | 18:57 |
| thingee | smcginnis: again it's no different than today. You go to a design summit with other projects. | 18:58 |
| thingee | you just don't have a nearby building with distracting presentations, booths, etc | 18:59 |
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| harlowja | qq, for folks, is there any prior/ongoing work around cinder and docker or cinder and containers (of some sort) | 19:18 |
| harlowja | or using cinder with docker or ... | 19:18 |
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| scottda | harlowja: I believe jgriffith has looked into it. He doesn't seem to be online ATM | 19:19 |
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| harlowja | cool | 19:21 |
| harlowja | i'll find him | 19:21 |
| cebruns | harlowja: https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/7126 | 19:22 |
| harlowja | 'Like Peanut Butter and Chocolate' | 19:22 |
| harlowja | lol | 19:22 |
| harlowja | nice | 19:23 |
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| harlowja | ya, i'll bug johhny boy | 19:23 |
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| thingee | harlowja: he is currently known as Guest3894 | 19:26 |
| harlowja | odd | 19:26 |
| harlowja | lol | 19:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Alex Meade proposed openstack/cinder: User messages API for error cases https://review.openstack.org/298052 | 19:26 |
| harlowja | Guest3894 identify yourself | 19:26 |
| harlowja | are u the john | 19:27 |
| harlowja | lol | 19:27 |
| thingee | I think his ec2 instance had an issue ;) | 19:27 |
| harlowja | lol | 19:27 |
| harlowja | Guest3894 prove u are the john, thx | 19:27 |
| bswartz | harlowja: (01:04:14 PM) jgriffith is now known as Guest3894 | 19:28 |
| harlowja | righhht | 19:28 |
| harlowja | lol | 19:28 |
| harlowja | i need proof, lol | 19:28 |
| bswartz | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-cinder/%23openstack-cinder.2016-04-21.log.html#t2016-04-21T17:04:14 | 19:29 |
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| harlowja | (i'm mostly just messing with u guys); i believe u | 19:30 |
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| harlowja | i was going to ask where john has a birthmark, but, ummm, i don't want an answer | 19:30 |
| harlowja | lo | 19:30 |
| harlowja | lol | 19:30 |
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| bswartz | if he can answer 3/3 rodeo-oriented trivia questions, then you know it's him | 19:32 |
| harlowja | :) | 19:33 |
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| jgriffith | harlowja: yes, that was me..and yes there is... and yes there has been :) | 19:41 |
| jgriffith | harlowja: a number of folks have folded some things up into their software layers (EMC and ClusterHQ) | 19:41 |
| jgriffith | harlowja: I was messing with adding some stuff to Gophercloud and writing a native driver | 19:42 |
| harlowja | cool | 19:42 |
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| jgriffith | harlowja: switching gears after talking to smcginnis and writing it up in python now | 19:42 |
| jgriffith | harlowja: supposed to do a presentation on it next week | 19:43 |
| harlowja | neat, i'll try to be at your talk and heckle u | 19:43 |
| harlowja | lol | 19:43 |
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| jgriffith | harlowja: please do!!! Makes it entertaining that way | 19:44 |
| harlowja | x:) | 19:44 |
| harlowja | i mean :) | 19:44 |
| harlowja | no 'x' | 19:44 |
| harlowja | lol | 19:44 |
| smcginnis | harlowja: Bring the rotten tomatos. :) | 19:45 |
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| smcginnis | Just need someone to throw lettuce and bacon and you're all set. ;) | 19:56 |
| jgriffith | mmmm.... baaaacon! | 19:56 |
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| smcginnis | Physical hardware sucks. | 20:32 |
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| smcginnis | Looks like Dell CI logs will not be accessible for a bit. | 20:33 |
| smcginnis | Old old machine it was running on power supply died. Too old to have a replacement. | 20:33 |
| smcginnis | Hard drives hardware RAID mirrored so I can't pull them out to pull the data off them. | 20:34 |
| smcginnis | Grumble grumble grumble | 20:34 |
| bswartz | can't you just pull the whole raid controller and drop it in a new machine? | 20:36 |
| bswartz | or jury rig a power supply? | 20:37 |
| smcginnis | bswartz: Not sure if I have one I can. | 20:37 |
| smcginnis | bswartz: Did think about jury rigging a power supply. I'm sure that would not be company approved behavior. ;) | 20:38 |
| bswartz | bah | 20:38 |
| bswartz | dead hardware is dead anyways -- you can't make it more dead | 20:38 |
| smcginnis | $50 on ebay. I'm getting an instance spun up now. Will get the old stuff off later when I can. | 20:38 |
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| smcginnis | bswartz: I can take it in a field with a baseball bat. :) | 20:38 |
| bswartz | and remember: RAID != backups | 20:39 |
| smcginnis | What do you mean. One drive fails and the other takes over. It's backed up! | 20:39 |
| smcginnis | Hah! | 20:39 |
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| bswartz | RAID means when you lose your data you get to lose both copies of it instead of just one | 20:40 |
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| smcginnis | Hah, no doubt. | 20:41 |
| smcginnis | Maybe I should have replicated my data. ;) | 20:42 |
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| smcginnis | At least this happened this week and not next week. | 20:43 |
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| Swanson | smcginnis, If only you worked for a company that provided solutions for this sort of thing. | 20:57 |
| smcginnis | Swanson: No kidding. Wouldn't that be nice. | 20:57 |
| Swanson | smcginnis, when we buy hpe next year maybe we'll be protected. | 20:58 |
| smcginnis | Swanson: Man, don't even joke like that. =:| | 20:59 |
| Swanson | smcginnis, IBM? | 21:00 |
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| alkhodos | Hi everyone. I have a question that is not really cinder related, but I didn't get any help on infra, so maybe had such experience... I need to test our driver on Juno branch, but devstack does not support it anymore. Anybody knows an easy way of installing Juno? | 21:09 |
| smcginnis | alkhodos: Probably just by pulling down that branch of the source and going through a manual install. | 21:11 |
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| smcginnis | alkhodos: That's probably the "easiest" route. | 21:11 |
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| alkhodos | @smcginnis: not that easy though :) | 21:12 |
| smcginnis | alkhodos: Yeah. Are you absolutely sure you need to mess with Juno? ;) | 21:13 |
| alkhodos | @smcginnis: if only you'd knew how much I don't want to... | 21:14 |
| alkhodos | @smcginnis: but the customers tend to use old versions | 21:15 |
| smcginnis | Darn customers. :] | 21:15 |
| alkhodos | oh yeah | 21:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nate Potter proposed openstack/python-cinderclient: Implement cinder backend-usage command https://review.openstack.org/301445 | 21:21 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: RAID means never having to say your sorry | 22:14 |
| smcginnis | LOl | 22:15 |
| jgriffith | alkhodos: it can be done | 22:15 |
| jgriffith | alkhodos: look at the tags for devstack... there's a juno-eol branch in there | 22:16 |
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| smcginnis | jgriffith: IIRC, there was some problem because Juno didn't cap requirements. | 22:16 |
| jgriffith | alkhodos: now.. you'll have to manually set up the stack.rc file for the corresponding tags | 22:16 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: So not sure if it's really useable now. | 22:16 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: hmm... that could be | 22:16 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: I managed to deploy that as well as Essex, but it was NOT easy | 22:17 |
| alkhodos | jgriffith: yes, I checked out to juno-eol, but stack.sh fails | 22:17 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: trial and error | 22:17 |
| smcginnis | Essex?! Damn | 22:17 |
| jgriffith | alkhodos: you have to make sure the stackrc repos are set yourself | 22:17 |
| alkhodos | jgriffith: tried setting all tags to juno-eol, still failed ):) | 22:17 |
| jgriffith | alkhodos: hmm... could be as smcginnis mentioned WRT capping | 22:18 |
| jgriffith | alkhodos: I wish I had my env up still | 22:18 |
| jgriffith | I did get Juno running back around Christmas | 22:18 |
| alkhodos | jgriffith: what is WRT capping?.. | 22:18 |
| jgriffith | With respect to | 22:18 |
| jgriffith | pip version capping of libs | 22:18 |
| alkhodos | jgriffith: ah | 22:18 |
| jgriffith | I think ebalduf also did this recently but he's not around right now | 22:19 |
| jgriffith | he may be sleeping off the hangover incurred from the heavy drinking it led him to :) | 22:19 |
| smcginnis | :) | 22:19 |
| alkhodos | jgriffith: that's what old version do to your health | 22:20 |
| jgriffith | alkhodos: If I remember correctly, what I did was clone everything as Kilo; then manually went into each dir and checked out the tag | 22:20 |
| jgriffith | alkhodos: then did somethign like stack.sh with offline set | 22:20 |
| alkhodos | stack.sh with offline set - how is that ? | 22:20 |
| jgriffith | alkhodos: put "OFFLINE=True" in your local.conf | 22:21 |
| smcginnis | Then killed two chickens and buried a clump of hair from a cadaver under his datacenter. | 22:21 |
| jgriffith | alkhodos: not saying it's going to be easy, just saying I think it's doable | 22:21 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: ha! | 22:21 |
| alkhodos | hehe, probably I missed the cadaver step | 22:21 |
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