| jgriffith | thingee: so the static vs dynamic seperation is probably a good idea | 00:01 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: sorry I didn't understand your last message | 00:02 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: so there are a number of things the scheduler uses from that call that are dynamic and IMPORTANT, like capacity utilization etc | 00:05 |
| jgriffith | thingee: it would be kinda "stupid" to put a ton of static content in there | 00:05 |
| jgriffith | thingee: so seperate those things is what I'm saying | 00:05 |
| jgriffith | thingee: that's an optimization on the code we already have in some cases | 00:05 |
| jgriffith | for example my devices "vendor_name" doesn't change | 00:05 |
| jgriffith | so why do I report it back up every 60 seconds :) | 00:06 |
| thingee | jgriffith: ah yeah I see | 00:06 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: yeah I think capabilities are unlikely to change...unless you do some upgrade with your vendor backend. | 00:06 |
| jgriffith | thingee: I'll code something up for you on Monday | 00:07 |
| jgriffith | see what you think | 00:07 |
| jgriffith | words are hard :) | 00:07 |
| thingee | jgriffith: ok...I'm just trying to grasp if we're somewhat agreeing :) | 00:07 |
| jgriffith | thingee: probably, as long as you leave the whole concept of people wanting to use this as documentation out of it :) | 00:08 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: I'll never think that's a good idea | 00:08 |
| thingee | jgriffith: what about options to values of extra spec keys? | 00:08 |
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| jgriffith | samething, although I am still kinda opposed to that idea | 00:27 |
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| haypo | hi. can someone please try my python 3.4 patch for os-brick? i would like to know if "tox -e py34" works for you: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197624/ | 07:55 |
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| haypo | walter had issues on his setup. you have to remove .testrepository once, and then run tox -e py34. but later, you should have not to do this workaround anymore | 07:56 |
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| haypo | by the way, would it be possible to get a release of os-brick? walter's patch to add python3 support has been merged (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196284/) and i need py3 support in os-brick for my py3 patches for cinder | 07:57 |
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| wanghao | ping duncan | 09:06 |
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| wanghao | duncan: There is small patch for Guru Meditation Reports to oslo.reports(https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196489/). We can merge this quickly, would you help to review this. | 09:09 |
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| geguileo | wanghao: You should use his full nick so he'll notice ;-) | 09:12 |
| wanghao | geguileo: aha, I always forgot this, sorry... | 09:13 |
| wanghao | ping DuncanT | 09:13 |
| geguileo | no problem | 09:13 |
| wanghao | DuncanT: There is small patch for Guru Meditation Reports to oslo.reports(https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196489/). We can merge this quickly, would you help to review this. | 09:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Petrut Lucian proposed openstack/cinder: RemoteFS: Fix the offline snapshot delete operation https://review.openstack.org/195196 | 09:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Daniel Tadrzak proposed openstack/cinder: ConsistencyGroup Object https://review.openstack.org/163641 | 09:24 |
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| wanghao | geguileo: I saw your latest comment in "Validate value when user update quota" this patch. I feel that quota can change equal to existing resources, it has same function with current way we do in quota. Both to control the resources creation. | 09:26 |
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| wanghao | geguileo: But in my way it's less confuse to end user. | 09:27 |
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| geguileo | wanghao: I didn't review the quota creation validation, so I didn't complain back then | 09:28 |
| geguileo | wanghao: But I saw your patch, sorry ;-) | 09:28 |
| geguileo | wanghao: Anyway, that's just my opinion, you should get someone else to review it | 09:29 |
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| geguileo | wanghao: Look at who added that validation in create and ping him, he'll probably side with you ;-) | 09:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Daniel Tadrzak proposed openstack/cinder: CGSnapshot Object https://review.openstack.org/195027 | 09:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Daniel Tadrzak proposed openstack/cinder: ConsistencyGroup Object https://review.openstack.org/163641 | 09:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Daniel Tadrzak proposed openstack/cinder: Fix saving tz aware datetimes in Versioned Objects https://review.openstack.org/196071 | 09:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Victor Stinner proposed openstack/os-brick: Cleanup Python 3 changes https://review.openstack.org/197624 | 09:31 |
| wanghao | geguileo: Sure, I think I need to collect more opinions, but thanks for your review, it's help me to think deep. | 09:34 |
| geguileo | wanghao: No problem, thank you for your patches | 09:35 |
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| wanghao | geguileo: :) | 09:36 |
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| deepakcs | DuncanT: ping | 10:13 |
| deepakcs | DuncanT: https://review.openstack.org/192736 , why do u think fixing for blockCommit is for another bug/patch ? | 10:13 |
| deepakcs | DuncanT: what makes this bug rebase specific ? | 10:13 |
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| deepakcs | jordanP: ^^ | 10:14 |
| jordanP | deepakcs, I am trying to have the tempest test working on glusterFS, or more generally any RemoteFS. fixing BlockCommit is not required for that. | 10:15 |
| deepakcs | DuncanT: jordanP the reason tempest fails with blockRebase is because in the tempest test its deleting active file, but if someone deletes (in tempest or outside of it) non-active file, which causes blockCommit to happen, you would hit this scneario for commit too | 10:15 |
| jordanP | deepakcs, I'd like to keep the patch small so that it gets a change to get in quickly | 10:15 |
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| deepakcs | jordanP: i see DuncanT gave +1, but i don't necessarily agree | 10:16 |
| jordanP | deepakcs, I agree. But as you said 'if someone deletes'. I don't know how, why, when this 'someone' would do it | 10:16 |
| deepakcs | jordanP: DuncanT since the root cause of the issue is similar (libvirt not supporting blockjob for offline domains), the fix should be part of 1 patch | 10:16 |
| deepakcs | jordanP: also -F backing_fmt should be used for security reasons | 10:17 |
| jordanP | deepakcs, as I don"t "see" any issue with blockCommit, i.e I don"t have a reproducer, I won't fix it myself. But as I said, feel free to submit another patch if you have a reproducer | 10:18 |
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| jordanP | deepakcs, I agree with the -F. so my question is, what value should I pass to -F ? | 10:18 |
| jordanP | qcow2 or raw ? | 10:18 |
| deepakcs | jordanP: that you need to deduce beforehand in the code i guess | 10:19 |
| deepakcs | it could be either, hence need to find out , using qemu-img info | 10:19 |
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| jordanP | deepakcs, okay for qemu-imf info. But on which file ? the backing file or the destination file ? | 10:23 |
| jordanP | the backing file could be "" | 10:23 |
| jordanP | ie make the iimage "independent" of any backing file | 10:23 |
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| jordanP | deepakcs, btw, to you have any reference to this security issue when we don"t set -F ? | 10:23 |
| jordanP | i believe you, but for my culture :) | 10:23 |
| deepakcs | jordanP: ya, let me google for you | 10:24 |
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| jordanP | deepakcs, thanks ! :p | 10:24 |
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| deepakcs | jordanP: https://www.redhat.com/archives/libvirt-users/2012-June/msg00022.html (grep for autoprobe and read that para) | 10:27 |
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| jordanP | deepakcs, thanks | 10:27 |
| jordanP | deepakcs, I guess I should hardcode -F qcow2 | 10:28 |
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| jordanP | because there's no way the original for could be raw | 10:28 |
| deepakcs | jordanP: if backing file is "" then we need to pass -F "" , if not, use qemu-img info to find the backing_file's format and use that for -F (we do that on cinder side), not sure if we have pre-available utils to do so on nova, else need to code it up | 10:28 |
| jordanP | because raw file format doesn't support backing file right ? | 10:29 |
| lpetrut | jordanP: that's the format of the backing file actualy, so it can be raw | 10:29 |
| deepakcs | jordanP: lpetrut is right | 10:29 |
| deepakcs | jordanP: hence i wanted eblake to get into there, but maybe he is busy | 10:30 |
| jordanP | -F is the format of the backing file ? | 10:30 |
| lpetrut | yep | 10:30 |
| jordanP | (sorry I am not an expert on this subject) | 10:30 |
| jordanP | ok lpetrut and deepakcs thanks. So I guess I should | 10:30 |
| deepakcs | jordanP: as i said, it would be best to check with danpb or eblake too | 10:31 |
| jordanP | if backing_file is "" which means, please do a "full" rebase, i.e backing file will be /dev/null then -F "" | 10:31 |
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| lpetrut | by the way, @deepaks, thanks a lot for reviewing the RemoteFS snapshot delete fix, I made exactly the same mistake :) | 10:31 |
| jordanP | otherwise -F should be the file format of the backing file. Is that right ? | 10:32 |
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| deepakcs | jordanP: for eg: base (raw) <- snap1 (qcow2) <- snap2 (qcow2) and we delete snap2 by doing a rebase, so chain becomes base(raw) <- snap2 (repr snap1), snap2's backing file is now raw (from the orig qcow2) | 10:32 |
| deepakcs | lpetrut: i know :) | 10:33 |
| jordanP | yeah yeah, I just didn"t know that -F was the format of the backing file | 10:33 |
| deepakcs | jordanP: ` man qemu-img`, see the rebase section , if u use -u (unsafe mode) then it doesn't do a full rebase, just changes the ptr, without -u, it does a full rebase. -F "" has nothing to do with it IMO | 10:34 |
| lpetrut | but wait, if there is no backing file, there is no rebase to be done | 10:34 |
| jordanP | deepakcs, don't worry I expect danp and eblake to review when things will be serious | 10:34 |
| jordanP | lpetrut, the variable is missnamed backing_file is the "future" backing file, after the rebase | 10:35 |
| deepakcs | jordanP: rebase_base in the nova code, iirc | 10:35 |
| jordanP | yes | 10:35 |
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| jordanP | lpetrut, what was the last thing you said ? | 10:36 |
| deepakcs | lpetrut: not exactly mis-named, the text there says that it is the backing file post rebasing, something liek that :) | 10:36 |
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| jordanP | deepakcs, "qemu-img rebase -b "" -F "" $working_dir/trusty_delta.qcow2" -->>> qemu-img: Invalid format name: '' | 10:42 |
| jordanP | is that what you tried to say and that I fail to understand ? :p | 10:43 |
| lpetrut | if there is no backing file, I think the -F argument must be omitted | 10:44 |
| deepakcs | jordanP: https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/a3f4eed52efce50c2eb1176725bc578272949d7b/cinder/volume/drivers/remotefs.py#L695 | 10:45 |
| jordanP | deepakcs, I can't use -u | 10:45 |
| deepakcs | jordanP: so you mean the above works if u don't use -u ? | 10:46 |
| * deepakcs never tried that ways | 10:46 | |
| DuncanT | deepakcs: I agree it should be fixed, but *not* in the same patch. Patches that fix exactly one issue are far easier to review than a patch that fixes several issues, even if they are related. Good practice says make your patches as small as possible. This patch makes one tempest test pass. That's pretty much idea | 10:46 |
| deepakcs | s/dont use / use | 10:46 |
| jordanP | deepakcs, could you rephrase ? :) | 10:47 |
| deepakcs | jordanP: so you mean the above cmd of yours works if u use -u ? | 10:47 |
| DuncanT | deepakcs: If there's a second scenario (and it looks like you've found one) then that should be fixed separately, preferably with a tempest test that fails before the second patch and passes afterwards | 10:47 |
| jordanP | I cant' work -u is "unsafe" and just update the pointer. I need some data to be copied | 10:47 |
| jordanP | *it | 10:47 |
| deepakcs | jordanP: just try with -u, u r just saying that backing_file should be null | 10:48 |
| lpetrut | by the way, I'd like to refactor the remotefs based drivers soon as there is a lot of common code, leaving only the backend specific stuff. Was there any discussion related to removing the backend preffix from config options, relying on config groups instead? | 10:48 |
| jordanP | and need the backing the be null but also copy the data from the old backing file, so i think i can't use -u | 10:48 |
| jordanP | *I | 10:49 |
| DuncanT | lpetrut: You'd need some way of making those new config options back-compatable | 10:49 |
| deepakcs | lpetrut: eharney would be best to comment on that | 10:49 |
| deepakcs | jordanP: letme read man page! | 10:50 |
| jordanP | :) | 10:50 |
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| lpetrut | thanks guys, I'll try to speak with him as well. We could go through the config option deprecation proccess | 10:51 |
| deepakcs | jordanP: got it, u actualy do the rebase (safe mode) , then use -u (unsafe mode) to change the backing pointer | 10:52 |
| deepakcs | jordanP: for eg: https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/a3f4eed52efce50c2eb1176725bc578272949d7b/cinder/volume/drivers/remotefs.py#L1058 | 10:52 |
| jordanP | yeah. But you can do it in one operation | 10:52 |
| deepakcs | jordanP: in cinder, we commit and then rebase -u to ensure the backing file_fmt is updated properly | 10:53 |
| lpetrut | also, @DuncanT, we'd like to support volume backup for the Windows iSCSI and SMB volume drivers, could you please take a look and maybe approve the following two BPs? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/windows-smb-backup https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/windows-iscsi-backup | 10:53 |
| deepakcs | jordanP: if the backing file is present, -F has a value, if the backing file is null, then use -u with -F"" to ensure backing_file is null | 10:53 |
| lpetrut | DuncanT: those are pretty straight forwards, but if needed, I might provide some specs | 10:53 |
| deepakcs | jordanP: i mean the backing file *after* the rebase (new backing file) | 10:54 |
| jordanP | deepakcs, no. i just can't use "-u". | 10:54 |
| DuncanT | lpetrut: I can't approve blueprints, Mike has to do that. I can't see why it would need a spec however | 10:54 |
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| jordanP | deepakcs, I need some data to be copied, so I cant' use -u. rebase and commit reworks differently I guess. | 10:55 |
| lpetrut | DuncanT: oh, no problem, thanks anyway! I'll try to reach him | 10:55 |
| deepakcs | jordanP: for backing_file null case, u need to do it 2 steps then, first rebase without -u, then use -u -F"" to ensure backing_fmtis none | 10:55 |
| jordanP | deepakcs, why need 2 steps when I can do it in one step ? | 10:56 |
| deepakcs | jordanP: bcos as u said above, -b"" and -F "" combination errors out | 10:56 |
| jordanP | if i use -b "", there"s just no backing_file. Why should I then use -u -F "" to se a backing_fmt ? | 10:57 |
| jordanP | *to set | 10:57 |
| jordanP | deepakcs, ^^ | 10:57 |
| deepakcs | jordanP: reading manpage again :) i guess u need to use -F only when there is a backing_file to point to, if there is no backing_file, then don't use -F | 10:57 |
| deepakcs | jordanP: yeah, u r right, was confused for some time | 10:58 |
| lpetrut | os-brick BPs go as Cinder BPs, right? We'd like to add Windows support, based on the Nova Hyper-V volume drivers. I'm afraid that may require a spec. | 10:58 |
| deepakcs | DuncanT: for fixing blockCOmmit case, why do i need a tempest testcase ? tempest indicates typical usecase and doesn't cover every case/scenario, we can re-create the blockCommit case outside of tempest in openstack | 10:59 |
| jordanP | deepakcs, so that we don't introduce regression | 10:59 |
| jordanP | after you fixed blockCommit :) | 11:00 |
| deepakcs | jordanP: right now there is no tempest code to test blockCommit, the way i see it :) | 11:00 |
| jordanP | deepakcs, exactly. No failing test, no issue :) | 11:00 |
| DuncanT | deepakcs: Given it's a fragile code area, more testing is good | 11:00 |
| deepakcs | jordanP: thats like closing ur eyes inspite of seeing a potential problem. as i said, a failign scenario can be created outside of tempest too.. that was the point i was making | 11:01 |
| deepakcs | jordanP: so are u good with the -F debate ? :) | 11:01 |
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| jordanP | deepakcs, I am good. Thank you and theanalyst lpetrut . Will submit something new soon | 11:02 |
| jordanP | **thanks lpetrut | 11:02 |
| deepakcs | :) | 11:03 |
| DuncanT | deepakcs: Tempest is the only integration level testing we have, so I think putting corner cases in there is totally reasonable | 11:05 |
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| DuncanT | deepakcs: Even if we create a new tempest section, especially for volume corner cases | 11:06 |
| lifeless | DuncanT: are they things that can't be expressed in the pure code? | 11:06 |
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| DuncanT | lifeless: Interactions between nova and external tools/ not usefully, I don't think - they need to test very precise behaviours between two chunks of code, the none openstack-controlled one of which is fairly fast moving | 11:07 |
| DuncanT | lifeless: I think unit tests that mock out complex external tools are of relatively low value, since there is nothing testing that the external tool behaves (and continues to behave) the same as the mock | 11:08 |
| lifeless | DuncanT: I hate mocks | 11:09 |
| lifeless | DuncanT: so please don't interpret anything I said as being related to mocks :) | 11:09 |
| DuncanT | lifeless: They have their place, but they're really easy to over-use to the point you make your tests worthles | 11:09 |
| lifeless | DuncanT: like, using them at all :) | 11:09 |
| DuncanT | lifeless: So, if you weren't talking about mocks, I'd say tempest is pure code, and ask you to clarify the question :-) | 11:10 |
| lifeless | DuncanT: pure code vs io code | 11:10 |
| lifeless | DuncanT: it was a bit of a tease, since very very little of the openstack code I've seen is split into pure and IO code | 11:12 |
| lifeless | DuncanT: so - its a bit mean to ask it :) | 11:12 |
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| DuncanT | lifeless: Ah, no, I think this requires real i/o code to ensure it continues to be correct, since it is the boundaries between openstack and libvirt et al that is the problem | 11:12 |
| lifeless | DuncanT: I'd like to dig into that at some point, since libvirt has a stable API | 11:13 |
| DuncanT | lifeless: Apart from the scheduler, 90% of cinder is just i/o martialing, so trying to do much of a split would be a false dictomy | 11:13 |
| lifeless | DuncanT: but - not now | 11:13 |
| DuncanT | lifeless: Stable API, not a stable feature set IMO, and the stable API has not been 100% stable on the fringes | 11:14 |
| DuncanT | lifeless: Sod trust but verify, I'm a fan of 'assume somebody is gonna bugger it up, and verify. Lots'. | 11:14 |
| lifeless | DuncanT: :) I likethat approach, but there are a few ways it can be assembled | 11:15 |
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| lifeless | DuncanT: one way that I've used great success is to write a conformance test that runs against a blackbox interface | 11:15 |
| lifeless | DuncanT: make that as nasty and corner-casey as possible | 11:15 |
| lifeless | DuncanT: the run that against everything purporting to be $interface | 11:15 |
| DuncanT | lifeless: Yup, I'm a fan of that approach, but with nova/libvirt I don't have nearly enough domain knowledge to start | 11:16 |
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| lifeless | the thing about the tempest approach that I don't like | 11:16 |
| lifeless | is that its actually hard to provoke a bunch of the corner cases | 11:16 |
| lifeless | because you're at such a remove from the actual libvirt behaviours | 11:16 |
| DuncanT | Agreed, especially anything timing or ordering related | 11:16 |
| lifeless | right | 11:17 |
| DuncanT | In this particularly case, it is state related, which I'm pretty sure we can provoke | 11:17 |
| lifeless | on 'false dichotomy' - you might like to look at the Effect library | 11:17 |
| DuncanT | Python? | 11:17 |
| lifeless | and its 2317 here, so we might pick this up another day | 11:17 |
| lifeless | yeah | 11:17 |
| lifeless | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/effect | 11:17 |
| DuncanT | lifeless: Looks like callback chain hell to me at a glance, but I'll have a read through and play with the examples | 11:20 |
| lifeless | DuncanT: its in that space | 11:20 |
| lifeless | DuncanT: and I'm not super-super thrilled with it | 11:20 |
| lifeless | DuncanT: but, its got a lot more pure-and-testable to it than eventlet or twisted do | 11:20 |
| DuncanT | Making more things purely functional has to be a good thing | 11:21 |
| lifeless | DuncanT: so rather than returning opaque deferreds, it returns a static introspectable data structure, which is the plan-of-IO this thing needs | 11:22 |
| lifeless | DuncanT: and you can make assertions about that | 11:22 |
| lifeless | anyhow, have a peek and a think. I'm poking around looking for really good things in this space atm | 11:23 |
| DuncanT | lifeless: Sounds more debuggable than most deferred callback stuff I've seen... I'll definitely take a look | 11:23 |
| lifeless | cool | 11:23 |
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