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14:00:45 <acabot> o/
14:00:47 <tmetsch> hi
14:00:49 <edleafe> \o
14:00:49 <sballe_> o/
14:01:00 <licanwei> hi
14:01:06 <hvprash_> hi
14:01:09 <Yumeng> hi
14:01:23 <acabot> my team is on coffee brea :-) lets wait 2 minutes before starting
14:01:47 <sballe_> :-)
14:01:47 <acabot> agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#10.2F19.2F2016
14:01:48 <hidekazu_> is this watcher meeting?
14:01:54 <acabot> hidekazu_ : yes
14:01:59 <jed56> hi
14:02:08 <hidekazu_> thanks.
14:02:18 <alexchadin> Hi
14:02:31 <acabot> #topic Announcements
14:02:33 <hidekazu_> hi, i am new.
14:02:42 <alexchadin> Welcome!
14:02:47 <acabot> hidekazu_ : yes, could you introduce yourself ?
14:02:50 <Yumeng> welcome!
14:03:03 <hidekazu_> i am from NEC.
14:03:13 <hidekazu_> from tokyo.
14:03:21 <acabot> hidekazu_ : great
14:03:31 <hvprash_> welcome hidekazu_ !
14:03:31 <jed56> welcome hidekazu_
14:03:40 <licanwei> welcome
14:03:41 <vincentfrancoise> o/
14:03:43 <dtardivel> hi
14:03:51 <sballe_> hi
14:03:52 <acabot> hidekazu_ : do you plan to be in Barcelona next week for the openstack summit ?
14:03:57 <dtardivel> hidekazu_: welcome
14:04:07 <hidekazu_> acabot: yes.
14:04:30 <sballe_> cool
14:04:34 <acabot> perfect, so we will be able to join us and discuss NEC use cases ?
14:04:35 <hidekazu_> i will attend watcher sessions.
14:05:24 <acabot> #info summit agenda is now finalized #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/watcher-ocata-design-session
14:05:26 <hidekazu_> we are proposing our customer now. but i do not have detail yet.
14:05:54 <hidekazu_> if i will have, we can discuss.
14:06:14 <sballe_> cool hidekazu_ waht company are you working for?
14:06:20 <acabot> hidekazu_ : ok feel free to join watcher sessions and complete the etherpad if there is a specific topic you would like to discuss
14:06:32 <acabot> sballe_ : NEC
14:06:42 <hidekazu_> scabot: thanks.
14:06:51 <sballe_> thx
14:07:14 <acabot> I dont have any other announcement as all teams are focused on summit next week
14:07:24 <acabot> I hope you are all ready to travel ;-)
14:07:30 <hidekazu_> i'm just studying watcher from this month.
14:07:51 <acabot> ok
14:08:00 <acabot> #topic Review Action Items
14:08:13 <acabot> we have a lot of specs in review right now
14:08:19 <Yumeng> hidekazu_: maybe we can discuss, i just started last month
14:08:25 <acabot> which is a great thing as we are starting the Ocata cycle
14:08:31 <sballe_> +2
14:08:57 <hidekazu_> yumeng: great.
14:09:01 <acabot> but we will need more involvements from core spec team in the next few weeks
14:09:27 <acabot> I would suggest to have additional working sessions in Barca to review specs
14:09:33 <sballe_> ok. I started reviewing new specs
14:09:34 <diga> o/
14:09:46 <acabot> sballe_ : if you can schedule them with at least jwcroppe & hvprash ?
14:09:52 <hvprash_> thats a good idea. will have working session for the specs
14:10:25 <acabot> hvprash_ : but please do it outside of Watcher working sessions as agenda are full now
14:10:26 <sballe_> acabot: good idea ... Also everybody please remeber that everybody can review and+1 the spec . This make life easier for the spec cores when we see a lot of +1s for a spec
14:10:39 <acabot> +1
14:10:44 <hvprash_> sure acabot
14:10:59 <acabot> so lets move on specs
14:11:05 <sballe_> ok
14:11:07 <alexchadin> I am trying to review some of them
14:11:08 <acabot> Specs for watcher-notifications-ovo has been merged
14:11:11 <vincentfrancoise> Same goes for code reviews ;)
14:11:15 <acabot> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/384370/
14:11:33 <acabot> vincentfrancoise : yes ;-)
14:11:50 <acabot> automatic triggering of action plans for AUDIT needs final reviews from core
14:11:56 <acabot> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342473/
14:12:28 <acabot> diga : I wrote a comment because some comments were "DONE" but actually weren't
14:12:42 <diga> acabot: ok
14:13:15 <acabot> diga : and its  tiring  for reviewers to resubmit comments
14:13:39 <sballe_> +1
14:13:57 <acabot> diga : can you please fix last comments today ?
14:14:12 <acabot> diga : I'd like to have your spec reviewed and merged by EOW
14:14:21 <diga> acabot: yes, I will do right now
14:14:30 <acabot> diga : thx
14:14:43 <acabot> #action diga fix last comments for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342473/
14:14:57 <diga> acabot: wc
14:15:07 <acabot> #action sballe_ jwcroppe hvprash_ final review for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342473/
14:15:25 <acabot> scale out or delete instance based on workload needs a new PS
14:15:38 <acabot> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/359690/
14:16:05 <acabot> Yumeng : you answered comments without submitting a new PS
14:16:49 <acabot> Yumeng : I'm fine with that but please try to improve your spec with comments instead of just answering comments in comments....
14:16:54 <Yumeng> acabot: yep.  i want to resubmit after discussion with you.
14:17:18 <acabot> Yumeng : in this case please ping me on IRC
14:17:40 <Yumeng> acabot: ok! thx!
14:18:03 <acabot> Specs for watcher-versioned-objects needs reviews
14:18:09 <acabot> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/383718/
14:18:22 <acabot> who wants to review it ?
14:18:24 <sballe_> acabot: I will review all the specs before EOW
14:18:29 <hvprash_> same here
14:18:38 <Yumeng> +1
14:18:53 <acabot> #action sballe_ hvprash_ Yumeng review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/383718/
14:19:04 <acabot> Specs for audit-versioned-notifications-api needs reviews
14:19:11 <acabot> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385077/
14:19:45 <acabot> vincentfrancoise : do you want to update a new PS before reviews ?
14:20:34 <vincentfrancoise> acabot: the code is pretty much ok, so you can start the review
14:20:47 <acabot> #action sballe_ hvprash_ review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385077/
14:20:58 <acabot> Define grammar for workload characterization needs reviews
14:21:05 <acabot> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377100/
14:21:14 <hvprash_> based on discussion with sballe_ I am making more changes. but feel free to review
14:21:27 <acabot> hvprash_ : I assume you are still working on it
14:21:30 <hvprash_> yes
14:21:40 <hvprash_> with sballe_
14:22:12 <acabot> as there are many reviews open, please complete it as much as you can and then we will ask for reviews
14:22:27 <hvprash_> ok, will do
14:22:32 <sballe_> same here
14:22:33 <acabot> #action sballe_ hvprash_ complete the spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377100/
14:22:42 <acabot> Define when an action plan is stale/invalid needs reviews
14:22:49 <acabot> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/386293/
14:23:13 <acabot> licanwei : I assume we can start reviewing it
14:23:27 <licanwei> yes
14:23:32 <dtardivel> +1
14:23:45 <acabot> #action sballe_ hvprash_ jwcroppe review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/386293/
14:24:01 <acabot> #action dtardivel review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/386293/
14:24:13 <acabot> Add improvements to the planner and workflow mechanisms needs reviews
14:24:19 <acabot> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385871/
14:24:31 <acabot> alexchadin : is this ready to be reviewed ?
14:24:41 <alexchadin> acabot: it is
14:25:01 <acabot> #action sballe_ hvprash_ jwcroppe acabot review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385871/
14:25:30 <acabot> as sballe_ said, I put actions on core reviewers but every contributor can review specs
14:25:31 <alexchadin> I want to hear your opinion:)
14:25:46 <acabot> alexchadin : about your spec ?
14:25:49 <alexchadin> yeap
14:26:15 <dtardivel> I will review it as well
14:26:20 <acabot> alexchadin : ahaha, I started reviewing it then I stopped because I will need more time to understand it ;-)
14:26:47 <acabot> #action dtardivel review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385871/
14:27:00 <alexchadin> acabot: it is hard blueprint so we need to implement it partially
14:27:15 <acabot> alexchadin : yes I agree, its a tricky one
14:27:25 <acabot> moving to Watcher
14:27:33 <acabot> #info Audit Scope Handler & Service supervisor have been merged
14:27:37 <acabot> thx alexchadin !
14:27:50 <alexchadin> No problem :D
14:27:50 <acabot> our 2 first BPs for Ocata !
14:28:06 <sballe_> nice
14:28:17 <alexchadin> thanks to my reviewers:)
14:28:48 <vincentfrancoise> alexchadin: well done :)
14:29:07 <hvprash_> very nice !
14:29:11 <acabot> #info Strategy doc template has been merged
14:29:25 <acabot> so now no excuse to not document a new strategy !
14:29:33 <acabot> #link https://github.com/openstack/watcher/blob/master/doc/source/strategies/strategy-template.rst
14:30:02 <alexchadin> Already working on doc for workload-stabilization
14:30:12 <acabot> alexchadin : great
14:30:39 <acabot> sballe_ : would you be interested in documenting Intel strategies ?
14:30:58 <acabot> sballe_ : with the template its pretty straightforward
14:31:13 <sballe_> yes I can do that
14:31:42 <acabot> #action alexchadin add doc for workload stabilization strategy
14:31:53 <acabot> #action sballe_ add doc for Intel strategies
14:32:14 <acabot> #action brunograz add doc for workload consolidation strategy
14:32:27 <acabot> watcher versionned objects needs reviews
14:32:33 <acabot> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/watcher-versioned-objects
14:33:22 <acabot> dtardivel & vincentfrancoise are working in pair to improve it but anyone wants to review this ?
14:33:51 <acabot> watcher notifications ovo needs reviews
14:33:59 <acabot> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/watcher-notifications-ovo
14:34:18 <acabot> there is some doc to review at least
14:34:20 <diga> []
14:34:31 <acabot> diga : ?
14:34:43 <licanwei> +1
14:34:46 <diga> acabot: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/license-cost-aware-vm-placement
14:35:08 <diga> acabot: you can continue, just I want to discuss about this BP in today's call
14:35:24 <diga> acabot: once review topic is over
14:35:24 <acabot> diga : please add it to open discussion in the agenda
14:35:31 <diga> acabot: okay
14:35:50 <acabot> #action licanwei acabot review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/watcher-notifications-ovo
14:35:58 <acabot> Graph cluster model implementation needs a jenkins fix
14:36:05 <acabot> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/362730/
14:36:19 <acabot> tmetsch : can you fix it ?
14:36:25 <tmetsch> on it - had some flu/colds stop us from preossing
14:36:53 <acabot> ok, who wants to review this patch when jenkins pass ?
14:37:28 <dtardivel> +1
14:37:33 <sballe_> add me
14:37:48 <acabot> #action dtardivel sballe_ review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/362730/
14:37:55 <acabot> Added Tempest API tests for /scoring_engines needs reviews
14:38:02 <acabot> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/371558/
14:38:27 <acabot> alexchadin & dtardivel : can you do a quick review on this one ?
14:38:36 <alexchadin> acabot: will do
14:38:41 <dtardivel> +1
14:39:07 <acabot> #action dtardivel alexchadin review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/371558/
14:39:15 <acabot> #topic Blueprint/Bug Review and Discussion
14:39:32 <acabot> #info our current milestone target is Ocata-1 due November 14th
14:39:39 <acabot> #link https://launchpad.net/watcher/+milestone/ocata-1
14:39:52 <acabot> all our BPs are assigned
14:40:13 <acabot> diga : did you start implementing automatic triggering ?
14:40:44 <acabot> licanwei : did you start implementing action plan stale/invalid ?
14:41:05 <licanwei> next week
14:41:05 <acabot> just to update launchpad status before the summit
14:41:15 <acabot> licanwei : ok
14:41:28 <licanwei> i have meeting this week
14:41:33 <acabot> ok
14:41:57 <acabot> hvprash_ : I suppose that grammar implementation has not started yet ?
14:42:11 <hvprash_> correct, its not started yet
14:42:50 <acabot> I will add a topic in the agenda to postpone BPs to ocata-2 as some will not be ready by November 14th
14:43:03 <acabot> #action acabot add a topic in the agenda to postpone BPs to ocata-2
14:43:16 <acabot> status for Write Tempest CLI tests for Watcher CLI
14:43:23 <acabot> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-watcherclient/+spec/tempest-cli-test
14:43:42 <acabot> alexchadin : is Peter still working on this ?
14:44:01 <alexchadin> acabot: No, I can take it
14:44:14 <acabot> ok please do
14:44:28 <acabot> #action alexchadin take the BP https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-watcherclient/+spec/tempest-cli-test
14:44:42 <acabot> #topic Open discussions
14:44:51 <acabot> 15 minutes left
14:45:06 <acabot> we already talked about strategy doc
14:45:12 <acabot> diga : the floor is yours
14:45:13 <hvprash_> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/audit-tag-vm-metadata
14:45:18 <hvprash_> oops sorry
14:45:48 <acabot> hvprash_ : yes, I have added this BP to discussion at the summit, it will be a lot easier to discuss it face 2 face
14:46:09 <hvprash_> awesome thx.. this bp is important for us to roll out watcher in prod
14:46:36 <acabot> hvprash_ : I assumed it can wait for one more week ;-)
14:46:50 <hvprash_> yes :)
14:47:06 <hvprash_> just wanted remind for discussion
14:47:45 <sballe_> acabot: who decide and what do we need to do if we decide to add it for acata
14:47:48 <acabot> hvprash_ : will be discussed at Workroom session - Friday October 28th - 11am - 12.30am - Ocata priorities & roadmap
14:48:27 <hvprash_> btw, is the rooms confirmed for our sessions ?
14:48:39 <acabot> sballe_ : I think Ocata cycle is almost full now with 22 BPs https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/ocata
14:48:51 <acabot> hvprash_ : yes I will add them
14:48:55 <hvprash_> thx
14:49:02 <acabot> #action acabot add rooms in the agenda
14:49:08 <sballe_> yes please
14:49:43 <acabot> sballe_ : if we want to add a feature for Ocata, we should discuss the manpower that will be involved on it before moving it in the cycle
14:50:15 <acabot> sballe_ : we have a lot of medium priority BPs
14:50:48 <acabot> sballe_ : so if the VM metadata makes more sense for Watcher, we can remove a medium BP from the cycle
14:50:49 <sballe_> acabot: agreed but gven tah hvprash_ is leading this he will have to priotize his resources
14:51:05 <acabot> sballe_ : I hope so !
14:51:22 <hvprash_> yes sballe_
14:51:38 <hvprash_> i will have a developer joining my team shortly
14:52:13 <acabot> for example https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/limit-concurrent-actions should probably be moved to the Pike cycle but you need to double check with jwcroppe
14:52:24 <hvprash_> and if so he can own some of these
14:52:56 <sballe_> acabot: I was thinking the same
14:53:00 <acabot> as an advice, I would say "please try to keep around 20 BPs in Ocata"
14:53:27 <sballe_> ok we will :-)
14:53:38 <acabot> we did 14 in Newton and the Ocata cycle is shorter !
14:53:45 <sballe_> Do ouy want us to haveyou there remotly?
14:54:21 <acabot> sballe_ : no idea about my availability next week :-) so I will let you know later
14:54:54 <acabot> as I'm in the same timezone, I will try to be available during working sessions
14:54:56 <sballe_> ok np.
14:54:59 <alexchadin> Have to leave
14:55:10 <sballe_> acabot: that's waht I was thinking
14:55:13 <alexchadin> Thank you all! Will be happy to see you on next week!
14:55:19 <sballe_> +2
14:55:23 <vincentfrancoise> +2
14:55:23 <jed56> +2
14:55:23 <acabot> diga : what about your nova BP ?
14:55:25 <hvprash_> +2
14:55:26 <dtardivel> alexchadin: yep
14:55:32 <diga> acabot: yes
14:55:35 <sballe_> jed56: did you see my email to you?
14:55:38 <hidekazu_> see you next week.
14:55:48 <diga> acabot: its about license cost aware placement ?
14:55:50 <jed56> sballe_: yes
14:56:03 <acabot> diga : yes and ?
14:56:05 <diga> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/license-cost-aware-vm-placement
14:56:35 <diga> after provisioning the VM on different Hypervisors, we can shift the VM accordingly
14:57:14 <diga> like windows VM can be moved from ESXi to HyperV (DC licence) so that we can save money for that much licences
14:57:30 <acabot> ok so you want to build a strategy related to licences cost ?
14:57:37 <sballe_> diga: this is already implementd in nova
14:57:38 <diga> yes
14:57:48 <diga> sballe_: okay
14:58:01 <diga> sballe_: Is that like the same thing ??
14:58:16 <diga> sballe_: I am not aware about it
14:58:21 <jed56> sballe_: I can access to the slides, I'm going to update them with acabot.
14:58:23 <sballe_> it doesn't move it afterwards but places it on the right nodes with the license
14:58:49 <diga> yeah, but I am planning after placement
14:58:53 <sballe_> the issue is that as soon as you land a VM somwhere MS will want you to have a license for it even if you move it later
14:58:56 <acabot> having a Watcher strategy to reduce these costs could be a good idea
14:59:11 <diga> yes
14:59:23 <sballe_> so even if you consolidate later you will still have ti pay for the license
14:59:32 <sballe_> this is why we did it on inital placement
14:59:42 <acabot> sballe_ : ok in this case its useless...
14:59:51 <sballe_> agreed this is why I mention it
15:00:00 <sballe_> at least for MS
15:00:04 <diga> no sballe_, we can save money if we move VM on DC license in case of Windows
15:00:10 <sballe_> not sure if it is useful for other licenses
15:00:10 <acabot> I have to end the meeting
15:00:20 <diga> ok
15:00:24 <acabot> could you please continue the discussion on watcher channel ?
15:00:28 <sballe_> ok diga let's discuss next week
15:00:29 <diga> okay
15:00:30 <acabot> #endmeeting